She Turned Trauma Into Purpose | Patsy Carr on Healing, Spirituality & The Human Mask

What if your trauma wasn’t the end of your story… but the beginning of your purpose?

In this powerful episode of The Human Mask Podcast, Alex sits down with Patsy Carr, a woman who has lived through deep personal trauma and made it her life’s mission to help others heal.

Patsy opens up about her own experiences, the struggles she faced, and how she transformed pain into purpose through spiritual healing, self-awareness, and inner work. This is a raw, honest, and deeply inspiring conversation about overcoming trauma and finding light in the darkest places.

If you’ve ever struggled with your past, felt stuck, or are searching for a deeper level of healing, this episode is for you.

💭 What You’ll Learn:

 • How trauma can shape your life—and how to break free from it
 • The power of spiritual healing and self-discovery
 • Turning pain into purpose
 • Practical ways to start your own healing journey
 • Why facing your past is the key to your future

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SPEAKER_02 0:06

With me today is Patsy, owner of The Sacred Heart. I saw her social media profile and uh messaged her and wanted to interview her, I got the vibe, um, because I wanted to discuss things that are important for women, uh is a very quick way of saying it. Um but we'll get right into it. Hi, Patsy. Hi. Thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Um I the first question.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

I just before I'm gonna speak less, okay? Yeah. The first question I want to ask, which I ask everybody, is who are you?

SPEAKER_01 0:39

I am Patsy Carr. Um, and to take my mask off, I am someone who has suffered and fought very, very hard to be sat in front of you. Um my trauma, my pain, and my store is to help others. I believe God put me through those lessons to help others. Um I am someone in front of you who has a very, very strong faith in Jesus Christ. I am someone who holds space and holds a portal for God's light to work through me and to help others. And I'm a mother.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

That's an amazing answer.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Yeah, and I'm a mum.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Um and you've part of who you are, you've just said, was things that have happened to you.

SPEAKER_03 1:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

And what you're doing now.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

So it's like a sense of person. So you're saying these things have created who you are.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

So who do you think you were before anything happened to you?

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Oh, that's a really nice question, that. Um I come from a very big Irish Catholic family, and my dad was a family of ten, and we were a family of six. And in the six of us, I was always known as, oh, it's Patsy. I was always the silly one, the funny one. Um the crazy one, really. Um creative. Yeah, you could say creative, but I was the always one who was like, oh, bloody hell, what's she done now? Or it's Patsy, she's and so to do what I'm doing now is probably a bit of a shock to people because it's quite out there what I'm doing, and it's quite serious. Um so yeah, yeah, that's who I was.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

And can you touch on you don't have to, obviously. Everything's unscripted. And it would can you touch on the the the tough point that that did change you then that you were saying?

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Yeah, of course. So um basically I was dealt with some very not nice cards to me. Um in my early twenties, I was diagnosed with a very aggressive kidney disease which attacked both kidneys. So just cutting a long story short. Yeah, well, it's it's long, so so basically um I was diagnosed with this at an early age.

SPEAKER_02 3:09

Um what was the book?

SPEAKER_01 3:11

It was called IgA Neprophifer. Um, this disease is very, very rare. Um, and it really shocked us when we got it because I was healthy, I was fit, I was, you know, I looked after myself, I ate right. How old? Um I was probably about 22, 23, 22, 23. So um it was a shock to the doctors as well to say, why have you got this? Um didn't smoke, didn't do drugs, didn't really drink. Um and when it happened, they were like, okay, we're gonna put you on these tablets. Um it's gonna be a really slow burner. Don't worry, we've got a grip of it. Um but I kept going at the time, sorry, I've missed this bit. At the time I was going back to my GP with these headaches, and they were like, Oh, it's just your period pains and oh, it's just this, and they just kept fobbing me off and fobbing me off, and my kidney function kept going down. Um meanwhile, they had the blood test in front of them, but they didn't get me in it anytime sooner. So, around, I think if your kidney drops to around about 60%, they should get you in, and then they can build that up. Where I think it was about four times and my kidney um graph went down to 20%. So they rushed me into the hospital. Yeah. They rushed me into the hospital and they were like, oh, right, okay, we need to keep this disease at bay because the scarring around the kidney was really bad. So they put me on these different medications, said, Don't worry, in a couple of years, this is what we need to start speaking about a transplant. In between a year, I would say the kidney went right down to five, both of them. So that was it had to be rushed in again and have an emergency operation um on my heart where I was awake for it to um connect me to a dialysis machine, which was horrendous. Um, very, very scary being that young. Um, and they said, Well, if you don't go on this machine, you're gonna die. Um, so yeah, it was a really, really scary time. Just I just thought, why? It was a bit of a blur, if I'm gonna be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Trauma blocks it, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Yeah, and I remember because I come from a really big family, everyone was just watching thinking, this is horrendous. Um and it was sort of out of my hands. Um, so at the time we were talking about how long I was gonna be on this machine for, and you would have to go on it for every other day, and this machine would be attached to your heart, this tube would come out, it would attach to a machine, and your blood would go in the machine, it would clean, detoxify, and then go back into the body, and you'd be on this machine for about four hours a day. Um you're living at home at this point or I was w living with my partner at the time, um, and this relationship wasn't wasn't the best.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Um before the diagnosis, before it happened.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah, no, uh yeah, it was yeah, it was it was it wasn't the best relationship.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Was it your first proper?

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yeah, yeah, it was, and we loved each other very, very much. But um, I can now honestly say, standing back, I can show a lot of love for the relationship, but it taught me. It taught me everything about myself on the way I am now, the way I hold myself, the way I have respect for myself, the way I believe in myself. Um, because everything of that was knocked out of me, really. I didn't believe in myself. I was made to feel like I was thick. I was made to feel that um I was doing everything wrong, um and I was constantly living on pins as I was.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

I was about to say, why are you going through that?

SPEAKER_01 6:54

Yeah, why was going through that?

SPEAKER_02 6:55

You're experiencing that as well.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

And I know you don't want to go into detail about it because um what a great character you are. Because obviously it's your daughter's father, and obviously we've got to respect that.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

But um that um I don't know, just I'm trying to think of of a way to word it where um I told flip it around. What what advice would you give women that are in that sort of relationship, I suppose?

SPEAKER_01 7:20

I would say you can't you can't see it when you're in it. And when someone is con when your head is feeling like a pressure cooker and when you're with a narcissist person and you're constantly thinking that you're doing something wrong and you're constantly living in a bit of a fair mode, and your nervous system is constantly like all the time while going through every, what was it, every four days?

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Yeah. So while going through full full change of bloods every four days, you've got that happening as well.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Yeah, yeah. But we've got to understand that people are only the way they are because of what they've been taught and what they feel about themselves. Now that person deep down at the core of his heart is a beautiful, beautiful man. Everyone has their own lessons that they've got to learn, and one day it will click and be like, I need to be a better person, I need to make better choices, and I need to do that. No one is perfect. And we've come to the earth to forgive and let go. And that's something I've had to do with not just that person, with my illness. Um, I've had to forgive a lot of cards that have been dealt with me because we've come to the earth to do two things, and that's to receive love, and that's to give love. Anything in between, that is your mind just going off track. But that's okay because that's what God wants us to do. It's our spiritual journey that we want to navigate to. But as long as we come back to that frequency of love, that's all that matters. If anyone's in the same position as me, you do come to a point of forgiveness and you do come to a point of letting go. And that doesn't mean having that person, or it doesn't have to be that certain person, it might be friends, family who are doing that to you. You have to show them love because that's the only choice that we've got, and that's setting you free and that person free, because that's where we all go to in the end, anyway. On that opposite side, is that frequency of love with God. So we have to come to the point where we have to visualize them in that pink ray of that frequency and keep sending it them because at the core of everyone, we are all it's it sounds a bit out there, but we are all doing our very, very best.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

And you mean but you mean love with boundaries?

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Of course, sending someone love, but not of course, you don't have to be like, let's be friends, and I've I've done that the the hard way. I've wanted to have that real good relationship, and I've tried to go above and beyond with certain people in my life, but this there's certain things where you've got to go, right? Okay, to respect myself and the person who I am, and not to honour my my nervous system of health and look after myself for my beautiful child. Well, then you have to put boundaries in place, but that doesn't mean you can't pray for them. That doesn't mean that you can't send them that love.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Um, and I was hesitant with the last question because I don't want to go into detail, um, which is which is fine. Um you said what other people are going through. I think I've see I've heard some stories, but I don't think anybody's just that just the kidney disease uh is enough, by the way, as one thing to go through. The people that are going through being with somebody who's not not best for them, narcissism, whatever it could look like, any form of abuse from their partner, you were dealing with both at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But do you know what's interesting about that?

SPEAKER_02 10:51

You actually just about that is how positive and and and like not you the the you I express love and gratitude still after having that. It to me is just an amazing trait. Yeah. So what makes that where's that trait come from? Do you think that's DNA? Is it where's it come from? Well, first not everyone can do that, they don't think it's a normal thing, is what I'm getting at.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

First of all, I was raised by two amazing people, my mum and dad. And you know, they to have six of us and to give us the same attention, the same love. They've always taught us to really lean in with our faith and always forgive people and release it because and hand it to God, and that's what I've tried to do.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

So hard to do. It is because you know what you were going through at the time.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

They knew what you were going through. Yeah, it's not just the copy of the kidney thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah and they their vice was Yeah, because they're the same, they come from the same cough as me. We just show people love. We show people love. But to just going back to that thing, I decided to have them experiences before I come to the earth. I decided to pick that person to have my beautiful child with because there's amazing qualities in that man that my daughter has. She's strong, she's feister, she is a full of life. And that comes from both of us. And I can honestly say now I hold back and and and I give nothing but thanks because that person deserves that. You know, we've created something amazing. Whether they go navigating through life in a different way, then that's down to them. But God blessed me with that gift from that person, so it was a happy ending in the end. Um, but yeah, we come to earth. Before we come to the earth, we we have soul contracts with people. We decided to have that lesson. I wouldn't be able to be sat here helping women step into their full potential and power if I didn't meet that person. Yeah, they were that simple as that.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

There's two questions I've got. One is um was you aware, you weren't aware of the soul contract side is part of your self-development journey. So at the time when you're actually going through it though, you're just going through it. You didn't know. You weren't thinking, oh, it's all right, I'll pick this line. No, no, I didn't. That was part of your self-development journey, wasn't it? I didn't take it.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

I didn't, but I did have godly experiences to think, oh okay, this is this is gonna lead to something here.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Like what, what?

SPEAKER_01 13:19

So basically, when I was waiting for my transplant, it was a very it was it was so in-depth.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

You had to have a transplant, you could.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

I had to have a transplant, yeah, yeah. So um there was a process, so all my siblings got tested, which I don't know if you can just really connect on that level how hard that was. I'm one of those people because of the way I've been brought up. We don't ask for things, we don't um take, so we really struggle with accepting gifts. It's something that we've always been. We always get upset and we think, why have you spent that? Why have you done that? So to take an organ off someone was really horrendous. And my brother Richard, my eldest brother, at the time, he was a perfect match. Um, so there were interviews, he had to go through such a group, well, the six of them had to go through a gruelling process, more Richer than most, and bless him. So the the therapy that we had to have to actually get him prepared to give me his organ was horrendous. I mean, there was a point where I could, I I I seen him where we live in Middleton, and I seen him, and I couldn't even cross the road to even speak to him because I knew he was going through that therapy to give me it was it's so in depth of what the process You chose not to go across and speak to him, although he said it's best you stay apart. No, no, it it's it's the sheer fact we couldn't speak to each other, me and Richard. I couldn't speak to him because I knew it was what he was going through.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

I mean, or the therapy the therapist.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

No, no, it was what I was going through. I felt awful that my brother was. So it was your choice. Was it advice on the therapy? We'd speak, but we just wouldn't speak about the transplant. It was so hard for us because it was so emotional, you know. I'm taking an organ off him. And what what if something happens to Richard? You know, it's it's that one kidney he's got left. Yeah. And at the time he was he really wanted a child with his wife, and they've got one now, bless. Um, so it is it was a really hard process, but I prayed. That is the one thing I prayed for. I said, please, God, do not let me take it on because I know we need it.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Um and my prayers were answered, and I said, please give me it. It sounds awful, but a deceased donor. So that means when someone's died in an accident, I get there. But this man must have helped. I think it was four recipients, so there was a lot of children that was involved that had a liver transplant and and so much more. I think he'd give his eyes away, and I got his kid there, and I've had it for 11 years in March.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Um sorry.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

I'd say sorry, don't say sorry.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

11 years in March, and that or before, sorry, I've missed a really huge part of the story, which is an amazing story. So I was very depressed, very depressed and like Are you still with your partner at the show? Yeah, yeah, very, very long. We went to bed, and um I was I was coming home from the dialysis unit in Oldham and I said, God, like it was just full of old people, you know, who had kidney failure, and I was the youngest one on there, and I said, God, if and I was on so much medication, and I said, God, I'm done.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

I'm done. Take me because I'm ready now and I'm actually happy with the way I've had my life, you know. Um I'm really happy, I just want to go.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Um, and and I really felt that connection when I was speaking to God. And um that night I went to bed, and it was like I went to sleep for about five minutes, and it was very vivid. I went to sleep, closed my eyes, and I got this like literally a thump in my chest, and I was like, what? I looked, I was able to look down in my chest, I couldn't breathe. And imprinted in my heart was a book. And when I looked at the book, it was the Holy Bible in my chest, and I was like, oh my God. That very night, there was a knock at the door, and that was off my mum, and she was like, Patsy, Patsy, the transplant team have been ringing you. And I was like, What? Because you're telling that story, though. You're supposed to keep your phone off silent in case someone's passed away. And I was like, What, what? And she was like, if you they're saying if you don't come round, if you don't come round, they're gonna send the police. And I was like, and then that was it then. It was just like, let's go to the hospital. Um, there was two other people then waiting in the room, and which was awful was ever like, I remember my sister, my husband at the time, and my mum, they were all giving me hugs, and then you could hear them in the rooms because that they're waiting then for this transplant. So say if I had a bug or a cold or anything, you wouldn't be fit enough for that operation that would go straight to them, and you could hear people getting upset because they couldn't have that up. That and I was like, What in the world is going on?

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Um You're still in your 20s now, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

Still in my 20s, yeah. So that to me was just so crazy that it happened. But what I said funny about that story is my mum, so they rang and they were like, Viv and she had a glass of wine, and she was like, Yeah, she went, we've got an organ for Patsy, she's not answering her phone. She went, Oh, it doesn't matter. A brother Rich is a brother Rich is giving her one and she put the phone down. She put the phone down. She went, if you do not, and if you do not go around to your daughter's house now, we're gonna ring the police. And she was pissed us apart and she was like, pass on the door.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

It's like, why would you do that? No, she's alright. She's got one. No ring.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

It's brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Um and why are you well I like a mascara over, I'm afraid.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

No, you've got, don't worry, don't worry. And um, so while you're going through this, I'm trying to imagine it from your family's point of view as well. So they're in the hospital and they've got to look at this bloke who's there for support, knowing that he's also adding to that stress.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

But he was. He was it was that this is the thing with with mental abusive relationships, they do not know they're doing it, and they have beautiful qualities, and he was there for me during my illness. He really was, he really was. He his personality and his traits didn't help, no, and I was I'm I'm very much in I'm not in a victim mode now. Definitely not. I'm not in a victim mode, and that man at the best of time, we did have some good memories, and so many other women in their relationships will have so many good memories with that person.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Can I say one thing without going to to Yeah. Just one thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

She's not gonna say out of respect for daughter and father the severity of the stress that she was under and the actions of him. Is that okay to say that?

SPEAKER_03 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Okay. Leave it at that then, um, because she doesn't want to go into detail.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

I have heard the detail. We've edited it out, and um you won't believe how strong this lady is. Um and how positive and grateful you are was just unreal. It is just unreal. Yeah. Um and I just don't think it's mad when you when someone's telling you the story like that, like you're telling, um, the the love and the gratitude that oozes from you and the strength that oozes from you. And like the the point that you cried wasn't even about yourself, it was when you're talking about your mum and dad. Which is just crazy, isn't it? Yeah, it's that it's all that, which is about women in general. It's it's such a lovely giving nature that women have, and then that but that can then be abused or taken advantage of just in general.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Yeah, of course, course.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Because now you're trying to help women, yeah. And and I did a video once about it was after speaking to another guest, um, it was another lady actually, and she's giving lots for I think we spoke about what I told you and I about veterans and things, and and she's had a uh a tough time. And I and it got me thinking, I was I did a video about um the trauma league table. Yeah, like just what you've been through, she's been through, and whoever else I've spoken to. I thought I had a tough time of it. And it just makes me get like that, you know. But you know I know, I know, and that's what I'm getting at. I clicked on, it's not it's not it's each to the individual. Listen, and and and sorry, go on, go on, go on.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

We all have our own cross that we carry. However, you carry that is up to you, and what a faith, how much faith you have in yourself and God, and trusting that this is all about the lessons and all what's meant to be for you, then that's that's how you're gonna get through it.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

What was the point I was gonna go to as well is it could be women, yeah. Even though you haven't really gone into detail about how tough it was.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

There's women out there, so say if they wanted to contact you or they got inspired by this interview, I don't what we don't want them to feel is which I've had that feeling when I'm talking to guests especially, is flipping. Do they feel like if they were with you in front of say if I was a female now, coming to you for help or self-worth issues and things like that, and they're looking at you thinking, but you must think I'm I'm stupid because I'm worried about I'm worrying about going out of park or I struggle going over here and actually traumatics happen to me, but I've just suffered with self-worth. Yeah. How can I go and talk to Patsy, who's been through all that? See what I'm saying? What message could you give to women that haven't had your level of trauma we shouldn't compare traumas? But naturally we do.

SPEAKER_01 23:08

We don't, and the reason to them. The reason why I've been through what I'm doing is because I'm able to do that, is to hold space to women for them to feel that they can completely tell me anything. It doesn't matter, no bit no matter how big or small, everyone is here learning lessons and coping with stuff that they've got to navigate through. And as long as they come back to that frequency of love, then that's all that that's my job done. All I am here to do is hold a channel. It's not me doing the healing, it's God. You know, it's the angels that I call in, it's Mother Mare, it's Mary Magdalene, it's Yeshua, it's it's all of them people, them divine beings, where I'm passing my prayers onto them. I'm just holding that space. It doesn't matter what you're going through, everyone has a nervous system, we've all got to regulate it, we've we're all human. It's it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

And where did your journey start then? So you've gone through that. Did you split and then go on this journey? Or you've always had God in your life?

SPEAKER_01 24:07

I I was learning and I was learning you see Reiki with when I was when I was UC. You see yeah so it's like a Japanese Japanese, yeah. Um that taught me the the foundations because it's when you stood together with you, yeah, yeah, yeah. It taught me the foundations of the chakra points, and that was really nice. It was all about love and light and about your guides and stuff like that, and it was it was really nice, but I come from a really strong Catholic.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Can I just say what I'm really just interrupting you? So I'm doing really well at, but I know from I'm a Catholic background as well that actually the people that are quite religious see Reiki as I'm glad you brought this up.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I know. Well, because I know it, because I'm from the same background. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

So I know um there's people in my family that my mother has become a Reiki master.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

It gets me mad.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

And they say that is like that it's devil's work, it's and they're really strong that way. And that you've not used that, I'm glad you say I can I'm gonna make a bit stronger. Because I wasn't gonna go this strong with it. No, no, no. But they literally say that is the devil's work. Yeah, yeah, we need to do that. That's what they literally say.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

We need to go strong.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

That is not God. You are you are channeling negative and things entities. But and then you go into philosophy and you think, well, if God creates all things, didn't he create that? And so God address that is what I was getting at. It's one of the questions I was dying to ask you.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Because I'm so grateful for my Catholic background, my biggest critique and my biggest teacher has been my dad. And you're not gonna meet anyone more holier than my dad, yeah. So anything I was doing, he was like, I'm gone, what's this? What's this? And we've come to this beautiful relationship now, me and my dad, and he's like, right, I've had so many arguments with Catholics. My the way I see it now, Yeshua Jesus Christ come to the earth to spread love. What we've just spoken about, yeah?

SPEAKER_02 25:52

We all agree on that. Everyone can agree on that.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

He taught us, he came to the earth to teach us about love, to be a good p person, to have to just be nice, just be a good bloody person, yeah. So with that, he didn't come to create churches and religions. He didn't do that. He didn't. So what we've what we've what we've found here is a very masculine um energy that's driven the churches to say, you can't do this and you can't do that, but Jesus Christ didn't come with that mission, he didn't come with that message, it came with the frequency of love. And you're not you're not any better, we're not any better than the person who who isn't a Catholic. If we all believe in Jesus Christ, then what's the problem? It becomes like a bit of a feud of you can't say this and you can't you can't do this, and it's like, says who? If we're all connecting to God and we're all coming from the heart, then that's all that matters. If we all believe in the Son of God, Jesus Christ, then you're no different from me.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

It's embodying living that way. It is um at the Moses at the bushes, who are you? My name is I am, as in I am, I am God, and you are like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Well, this is this is what bugs me about about some people in in the churches as well, that they push people away from actually can having letting people have a relationship with Jesus Christ because of the energy they bring of you're sinning and you're doing something wrong. It's the fear that's being pushed. We are in the age of Aquarius now, where the frequency of astrology rising. Yeah, because it's all at one. How did you think the three wise men follow Jesus Christ in Bethlehem? They followed astrologer, they followed the stars. We need to get with it. It's all as one. And people in those hierarchies where they think that you're doing something wrong, well, they should look at themselves because us new agers are probably have got a more following for Jesus Christ now and bringing it to a rise than what they have done. So I'm really passionate about it.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

I was loving it, don't interrupt you. I love your passion.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Listen, I've had I've had some like I'm very proud of my roots, and my mission is to bring people more to faith into Jesus Christ, not to stir them away. You know, it's all about love, all about frequency and the power of prayer and and coming forward with that. Something I've been mocked with all my life, and I have got bulletproof faith now in Jesus Christ. And you don't, you don't just I don't need to tell people about it. You're gonna feel it, you're gonna see it in my heart and how I speak and how I forgive and how I let go and how I send frequency because I want to be more like Christ, not judge people and stir people away from it. Absolutely not. Sorry, I might be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

I know I loved it, it's brilliant. And that passion is great. So, because what you if everyone was just embodied the the um embodied the way that he behaved, yeah, Jesus Christ, as in like you say, just being kind to everybody. You haven't got to be fully in to act like that, do you? You haven't got to put a label and go, I'm not a Catholic, I act like that. No. You also just be just do it, just be nice.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

But listen, don't don't get it twisted. I am very, very proud of my roots of being a Catholic. Cook, yeah. I always take my my daughter now when I'm feeling low, feeling stressed. Yeah, I don't go every Sunday, but I will take my daughter and sit and I'll get her to close our eyes. I want to mention this. There's a difference between um consciously connecting to God through your heart rather than praying like a parrot, I say, and not meaning what you're saying. My daughter has stay and pray at school. My daughter, and I will say this because people laugh, but they know it's true. My daughter is the only one in that class, is when they do pray time, she closes her eyes, she connects, her spine's erect, she's literally got a portal coming all the way down, and she is in at one. She's in union with God, she's praying to Mary, she's praying to God, and all the parents are like, I'm like, Yeah, that's my kid. That's my kid. She knows the protection, she knows who to pray to, she knows when she wants to connect to God and speak to him. That is my kid, and that's what I want to I want that to grow. I want it to be like we connect to God when we're praying, not just like, you're all right, name of the Father. You're all right. I want him to be like this, let that free-flowing energy flow all the way through you. Mean it, stand in it, feel it, bathe in it, whatever you want to do, it's there, it's there to help you navigate through through life and watch that abundance and them good opportunities and come to you when you do.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Yeah. You know? That's amazing. That came across so good. It came across so good. You can't, I always say this in a few podcasts, you can't, you don't know the feeling in the room. It's so hard. You wish you just put the feeling that you create and put it out there. It's so hard. I'm sure people will get there.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

Yeah, I am I'm I'm very passionate about I do.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

So so you're saying that Reiki, because Reiki, for people that don't know, is basically channeling. So you you're not, you don't have to be able to do that. Yeah, explain it.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

So you're hands-on.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Um Western Reiki and this.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

There's all different types of Reiki. What is Reiki?

SPEAKER_02 31:20

And how does that tie with religion? Yeah, yeah. Deal with it directly then.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Now I I trained then because I was searching after the UC Rake for something that aligned more with me, which was the angelic reiki, and that's more godless and more divine. Um and it gives you so much more protection. So what we spoke about before when the podcast went rolling is all these different energies flying about at the moment is everyone calling in these different deities and these different goddesses rather than going straight to source. So Angelic Reiki works on more of a soul level, more of a divine level. And how it works is you you call on God's light to Christ's light to what come all the way through you and bring in those angels with you to help transition the healing. So Angelic Reiki works on more of your higher chakras too that we don't see. So there's around 22 chakras up to God. So Angelic Reiki works all the way through that, so it's more divine, more fast, and it's absolutely amazing. But um, and I teach it now. So my teachings are all about my faith in God, but it's all about protection. So like I just said, then we can call in all these different energies. We have darker energies too. It's not all about love and light. We have these attachments that are on people. Um you know, this could either be from past lives to now or being in certain relationships where these have stuck on you, and that comes from being in that lower frequency, and it's our job as a healer to hold that space so that godly energy can come through you and we can remove that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

I like what you said as well earlier, which I think we didn't stress enough, is that it is the imperfection of people, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

It doesn't mean you're not allowed to try and find God or no. And and and like you said about angelic Reiki, and there's Western Reiki and there's all these different things. I think it's important the message as well that everyone just resonates with something. If it makes you a better person and it spreads love and positivity, then just roll with it.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

Yeah, this yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

If Patsy likes, I you know, I'm angelic Reiki. Yeah. But if someone starts their journey just with Western Reiki, it's fine. Just start. Of course. It's the point of just starting, isn't it? Even with imperfections.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Going to be imperfect. But we do. Like the people that judge, you tell me they don't have imperfect thoughts. Yeah, yeah. Of course they do. Everyone's human, it's just normal.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Of course. What we do is we try and get into this thing of well, I call it the universe.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

Or I'm that's good to touch on.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

I call it this and I call it this. Well, I'm just gonna be very Hang my hat on.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

It's God.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

It's God. It's God, and the difference between so this we've got this thing about, yeah, Jesus was a master in Jesus. No, Jesus was the son of God. Let's get it straight. If you're gonna be a proper healer, know the difference between goddesses' dieties and know the one true son of God, which is Jesus Christ. And when you do that and you have that in your heart, that is where true healing comes from.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

Can I ask you a question?

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

It's a personal one.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

So obviously I've come from a Catholic background.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

But as a person, whatever makes up my DNA or my past traumas and whatever else or what I've done or not done, because there'll be other people similar to me, where my logic says, even though, for example, I went to church the other day, I took my doors to church. And I love a Catholic church, and I'm thinking, I find it so peaceful and nice here, but is that because of a childhood memory or is it because of the church? I'm over always an analysey sort of person, even though I'm spiritual, I'm also analysing.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

And you think, well, where's the proof? Where's the thing? And you can't help that bit. So people who are non who are non-religious based watching this, yeah, who are just probably saying, um, oh, she's using it as a as a crutch to help her through life, which there's nothing wrong with. But how would you address it to those people? How do they know? Do you know what I mean? How do you know?

SPEAKER_01 35:09

About God.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Saying that that's that. Like you hang out. I love your energy. That's that. Because I do, I do what you said. I'm like, oh I didn't. There's something inside me that won't let me commit. So I'll go universal. Yeah, it is. And you're like, um, what's the word? Like non-committal with that.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yeah, because we're all we're all politically correct, aren't we? Not for that reason. That's not for that reason.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

For me, like there's people like me that want to embrace it and do it, but that they're scared because they think, well, what if it's not true? And what if it isn't this? And what if you know what I'm saying? How would you how would you address that?

SPEAKER_01 35:40

Yeah, you have not come from the background that I've been taught. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

So But you've been taught that's what I'm saying. So you've been shown it. So the argument to people who are non-religious are saying, yeah, but you've just been told that.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

But no, but I haven't, though, have you.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

If you're a Muslim, would you be into Muhammad?

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Yeah, I had the background. I have I had the guidelines to come into a family of God, but I didn't have to have the experiences of what I've been uh what I've been shown by God. Do you understand? I do.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

I mean, looking down and seeing the Bible in your heart and then getting the question.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

And that's just that's just one thing, you know, it's it's you think people are scared to embrace it. People are people but not for political.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

It's scared because they've got a face.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Yeah, no, it's funny because I I've navigated through through this and I've I've seen people like, well, I'll call it the universe because I don't want to call it God, because it's it it's gonna put people off. And at the start I was thinking, when I was having all these experiences, I was thinking, well, how am I gonna stand in my truth and talk about this? And it was it was really hard for me to navigate, but the more you stand in your faith, God will reward you in every single way. He has your back. If you start aligning with God, watch your world change. There's nothing to even What does that look like?

SPEAKER_02 36:57

Someone who's watching now who's not religious, what does that actually look like? If you start to align with God, do you mean just start small steps, just start speaking to him? Or what does it look like?

SPEAKER_01 37:06

To how to connect with God.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

Yeah, you're saying, yeah, do that and watch your life change. So the guy's watching this, he's not religious. Yeah. So what does that look like? What's the first step for that person?

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Well, first of all, miracles. Miracles in abundance, you'd the right people be out there out there.

SPEAKER_02 37:22

And what action I mean do they do? I mean, what physical action do they do to start their journey?

SPEAKER_01 37:26

Oh, to start into their sorry, to start, sorry, I'm mixing two um questions into the channel.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Yeah, so yeah, you're saying that's what you'll start seeing, which is fantastic. But I'm saying so the person here, not religious background as such, and they're and they're they wanted to step into it, what's the first step for them? Just go to church, is it just do sit at home and just talk to God? What is it?

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Listen, the power of prayer. Yeah, so the power of prayer. You don't have to go sit. God is not just in a church, God is everywhere. If you want to go sit on your own in nature on a park bench and close your eyes, make sure you speak to him.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Is that meditation? What's the difference between that and meditation?

SPEAKER_01 37:58

Meditation, we get we get crosswords of meditation, prayer, whatever it means to you, silence your mind, drop down into your heart chakra, take a deep breath and connect to God. That's the source that we come from.

SPEAKER_02 38:10

When you say drop to your heart chakra, oh, I understand all this, by the way. I'm doing it for people that when I ask these questions, yeah. It's for the people that maybe don't understand. So, how are they going to drop into the road apart bench?

SPEAKER_01 38:22

Do you want me to show you?

SPEAKER_02 38:23

Go on, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Well, you're not showing me, but I want to do it anyway. No, well, we'll do it together. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

I want you to close your eyes, take a deep breath.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

Primonosia.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Yeah. Out through the mouth. Put one hand on the heart, one hand on the stomach. And you're just gonna call on God's light now to come all the way down the body. And as you breathe in and out, you're gonna release that energy and just feel that golden light coming all the way down the face, all the way down the neck, dropping down into the heart. I want you to visualize your heart now, just being filled with that golden light from God, and you'll feel that portal from God to you now coming off. Feel yourself being grounded to the earth, and just feel that Christ light coming all the way down, and just be at one with yourself, coming down to the heart, breathing in through the nose, releasing out the mouth, and then just within the second day now, you just can have that beautiful conversation with God of what you want, what you're grateful for. Giving thanks for calling in that protection, and that's the feeling that you should have.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Do you understand?

SPEAKER_01 40:03

So that is the difference, that that's the difference between having that God force energy in you to I'm gonna pray, but I'm also gonna judge others for not being here and praying, move me here. It's having that God force energy within because that's where we come from and that is where we are going. And once you use that energy, it's gonna go in every single direction of your family life, your financial life, your work life, everything. And it's gonna come in abundance because God wants to work in your favour.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

I've just that was amazing. Yeah. I've done obviously so many different self-development things, and and and just if you go back and rewind and do it yourself, it was it was a lovely little space. And how fast is that? It's not the busiest life ever can spare them. What did that happen?

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Yeah, it was a couple of seconds. But even with then, like that we'll just speak about at the start of the at the podcast. You can do that when you're struggling with that feeling to forgive someone or let that thing go that's really, really hurt you and cause you that much pain. Let it go. Close your eyes, connect to that God force energy, visualise that person and send them that love because they are just a hu another human being, just like you, trying to navigate through life with all the feelings that they've had. Not everyone's had the same upbringing as us. It's we are in charge of ourselves, we we can release that and let go and release that victim, you know. Like everyone, I'm not I'm not decrediting that anything that anyone's been through or what I've been through, but it's so good just to just come back to that love frequency all the time.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

It's amazing. And I I saw on one of your social media you touched on there's two things. So doing any order you want. I've heard of shadow work, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

And I've heard anything you discussed, I've I've experienced, dealt with, learned about myself. There was one that I hadn't.

SPEAKER_01 41:56

Oh, what's that?

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Womb healing.

SPEAKER_01 41:58

Womb healing, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

I saw your video about womb healing.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Obviously, which is specific to women.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

So I also want you to touch on um in any order you want. So the w which shadow work, womb healing, and general feminine energy energy, and the the the theme with women is is a lack of self-worth. And serving is a good, that's a natural feminine energy. There's nothing wrong with nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

But to over-serve and lose lose yourself with that, I'm going, I'm asking about 600 questions.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

Yeah, no, because it is all one, it is all that one one.

SPEAKER_02 42:31

And if you forget, which I understand, I'll bring you back to one of them. So any order you want, the shadow work, womb healing, which I've not heard of, and general self-worth in women.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

Even if they haven't been through trauma. Because some people haven't been through trauma.

SPEAKER_01 42:44

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Or they've or or in the trauma league table prepared to yours or whatever. So is that okay?

SPEAKER_01 42:50

Yeah, cool. So um the womb healing retreat that you've probably seen that. Oh, it's a retreat. Yeah, we took women. Um so we took women that needed this retreat out of their family home, out the community, and take took them away. So, and we took them on the womb healing retreat. So, the womb healing retreat is everything that you've just asked me. So, it's shadow work, it's inner child.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Tell people that haven't don't know what it is. I know it's the shadow work.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

So, it's everything that you've got to s you've got to come to. I had the best upbringing with, you know, I had some, you know, problems growing up, you know, with with we had to um my dad had to go bankrupt and stuff like that, and we had all that trauma that was put on us. But in in C Now, I had a good upbringing, yeah. But I had to go back through my inner child to unravel some stuff that has been placed on me by my mum and dad, them beautiful people. They're still, they were still a child at one point, and they were navigating through their life, and it's been sieved out into my life. So I've had to really look at myself. And think, well, that doesn't align with me. You know, that doesn't align with me with what mum's got my. And it came to a point when with my child, so we live at my mum's, and we was in the dining room for quite a lot, a lot of time when we when we split. So I was in it for a couple of years. And within that, that's when I was doing my shadow work when I was sharing, when I'm sharing a room with my daughter. I was looking at her growing up, and I was thinking, what's being placed on her with the split from me and him. And I was looking at her and how she was and and my daughter, but she is absolutely wild and crazy.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

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SPEAKER_01 45:09

She came into the world flying. Yeah. So that's probably the reason why I am who I am today, because she comes with that fire energy. Um Yeah, so let's go back to inner child. So I was looking at her and then I was thinking, wow, what she's going through is she doesn't even realise it. You know, with the two homes and the different parenting and what she's hearing. And it made me look within myself and think, What have you been? And as I was growing up, I was sort of always um Sorry, I'm going off par now. You didn't cut that.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

No, don't cut it. Um normal conversation. It was in it, it was in a child so it was shadow work while she's in the room, but also it's inner child work as well, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Inner child, yeah. So within that, I had to go and do some work on myself. Whilst I was walk watching Bo, who's six, I had to then go back to when I was six and think, what didn't I like? And navigate through that. So within that, I was creating a lot of um work for these retreats. Um doing a lot of shadow work, ping pointing why I reacted like that.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

What is shadow work?

SPEAKER_01 46:23

Shadow work is actually looking within of what traumas you've been dealt with and looking back on how you dealt with it, what did you do, um, why you are who you are, you're good, you're bad, you're ugly. Get it all out.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

And what why does that look like? That means just sitting in peace and just going to be.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Not just sitting in peace, a lot of purging, a lot of purging. And some people go through life of staying with the same job, same opinions, same outcomes, and they're happy doing that. But for me and for women with the womb healing, we was not the same person five years ago, five months ago, five weeks ago, or even five minutes ago. We are changing constantly. So it's important that we do do the inner child because there's always someone that's looking at you who are learning from you. So you need to undo that work and be who the person who God intended you to be to have this spiritual experience. It's coming to that alignment. And it's very, it's heavy, it's heavy stuff because with the womb healing, the responsibility, like you say, of on your own kids. Yeah, it's admitting because and it's also admitting the the parents that we've got, they were children once. They had parents that have put some like my mum was an only child, a dad died when she was so young. Um, and this all mix in with the question that you've asked me. She is somewhat, she had six kids, she devotes her full life, she's got nine great grandkids, and she devotes her full life to her family. And that woman does not sit down and she's like the woman of Father Ted. Like she'll come in, you'll have 50 brews at you, she'll cook you loads of different meals, she just doesn't stop. She's always putting people before herself. She's a machine. So it got to the point where she didn't have she didn't have any boundaries, my mum. She just does everything for everyone. And I, when I was going through all my trauma, and I was exactly like my mum, I had to undo that and be like, well, that's actually not serving me because I'm leaving myself at the bottom end of the barrel, and I'm very poor there, and I've actually come out of a relationship on the worst side, mentally, everything, scarred everything. So, where do how do I support myself? Because I've got this really fiery child now looking at me thinking, what are you gonna do? What about me? You know, so I had to be that you've got to undo all the work, and that's in the best interest. Like my dad, my dad comes from a family of 10. His dad from Ireland always said to him, Your faith is taught on the lap, and that's what we've always done. But with that, there's a lot of fear that's come from a dad from being a Catholic that's been pushed on us of saying, You're gonna do this and you're gonna do that. But I've had to teach my dad with doing my shadow work that actually no dad, it's it's to come to love and what you do, and that's something that I've passed down to my child now when she prays. She doesn't pray just like a normal everyday Catholic just to get the mass over and done with. She has a portal coming off her head, she knows Jesus Christ, she knows Mother Mara. You know, it's it's it's the difference of that because we're passing it down to our children, and there'll be stuff that I've passed down to Bo where she thinks my mum is batshit crazy, I'm gonna have to undo that for my kid.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

It's not aligning.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Do you know what I mean? But you're just trying your best. That's all we can do. And it's doing that shadow work and realising uh oh, let me just sift that up. That that doesn't know.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

And that's the question like the original question I asked everyone is who are you?

SPEAKER_01 50:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

And that's what that triggers that within people or listeners, and you get inboxed and stuff. Is that like, yeah, who am I? And it can just send you on a if you haven't got the right guidelines then to help you, you can think, what's it all about? Who am I?

SPEAKER_03 50:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

Because when you're in the womb, you wasn't called Patsy, you were just a a spirit in a mother's womb, and then they've decided you're Patsy. And you and you're gonna be a Catholic family, and then they've they put their personalities, each personality onto you, which is based on their parents' personalities, their parents' upbringings, cultures at the time, yeah, friends. And you and you all these people are putting onto you who you are.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

Yeah, and that's not who yeah, you need to break through it. You actually need to break through it.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

As the generations are coming, I think that you're right about the age of Aquarius and things, it is the the general consciousness is lifting.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Yeah, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

For everybody all the time.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

The age of Aquarius is coming, and we're all coming back to the frequency of love, and when we're not now, what you're seeing in the news and in the world, it's all falling apart, and all these men from these big hierarchies and these status are all falling to the knees because it's all coming out.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

How does the world look though without because imagine if everyone did wake up a bit and think, hang on a minute, there's got to be more to life and work, work, work, work, retire, die. Uh you know, there's got to be more to it than this. And they they have that what's it all about feeling going on. When just economies crumble, do you know what I mean? Everyone's book this. Anyway, it must be skint and not work.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Yeah, well, this is this is where the the the rise of the divine feminine is coming from because women now are standing in their power. We were, and we probably still are, some people are still are, we're running in. We all have a masculine and feminine energy, all of us, yeah. But women have been driven into their masculine energy where we're looking after the kids, we're good, we're doing free jobs, we're coming home, we're cooking the tea, we're looking after the husband, we're we're bang, bang, bang, bang constantly all the time. And now we are slowing down and we're really dropping down into our divine feminine energy. And that is when, like on the retreats, is let's go, for instance, when Mother Mara and Mary Magdalene walked the planet, they were in their divine feminine energy. They were amongst women and they were doing the exact same thing that I'm doing now, pulling women together and really making them stand in the power. It wasn't doing what it was being being told and um being shown, let's just say, in in the Bible and the way it is perceived, these were powerful women. Mother Mary's womb was give us Christ. And the difference between men and women, God made us so we have a portal that can bring life into the world. We are divine beings, and we forgot about that. So just like the earth, the earth has four seasons, you know, spring, summer, winter, autumn, and just like Mother Earth, we have to shred ourselves every month. We have to do new cells, hormones, shred. On top of that, we have to run a busy lifestyle looking after kids and doing whatever. It that's all stopping. We need to all calm down and really work with our cycles and honour ourselves as women, put them boundaries in place and really start looking after ourselves. And that means slowing down and stepping into your divine feminine power.

SPEAKER_02 53:33

So, how does that look? What's the message to the I always I don't always like try and give this example, uh ask this example. So you've got the mum and dad, kids, they're both working, they're stressed to death, the skin, they're trying to get by, and they're hearing you go, step into your just slow down, step into your energy. And she's thinking, well, I can't, I'm busy, I've got busy. So how does that look to you? Yeah, so different message to that actual lady.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

If if I'm looking at a family like that and not a single mum, well Yeah, there's that as well, isn't there? Yeah, yeah. So you've got this is this the way I How's that look to her? To the family.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Yeah, so I look at my my mum and dad, take for instance. My dad is in his masculine energy. All of my dad's life, as much as my mum has always been on the go and and stuff like that, my mum has this aura where she's a magnet for energy. Lots of people will always be around her, all the kids, animals, anything wants to be around my mum. She is in her divine feminine energy. She oozes it. My dad has always been the breadwinner where he's always taking care of us and gone. So when a woman feels safe and she really can drop down into a heart chakra and look after the family, is when the man is really in his strong masculine energy, not his toxic masculine energy. A toxic masculine um masculine energy is basically coming home, throwing it in your face that you worked all day, it's not enough. Um you're putting it on the women, you know, making them do all sorts, but not making them feel. Sorry, I'm going off on one of them. No, no, go on. I'm going off on one.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

No, no, I want to carry on the same route you're on about. Because you didn't we're dealing with real world issues and real world problems. So he's coming home, he's like, he's not feeling, he's not feeling um loved, I suppose, and he's putting it on her, and then she's like, Well, I don't feel like she's putting it on him.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

That's yeah, and a toxic masculine is not supporting his partner and putting him at the top of the list rather than honouring his wife and his kids. It's about that counter, that that perfect counterpart, and that's when you are standing in your yin and your yang and and you're really working in union.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

And that obviously both might need to put effort into it. Yeah, it's not just the man or just the woman, is it? They both need to be putting effort into it.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

That's women need to slow down.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

But so you haven't answered it directly, though. So I'm gonna opinion this one. You've got the man and the woman, yeah. They're both working really hard, they're feeling the pressure of money. Yeah, it's yeah, normal life happening to them, and they hit and she's listening to this podcast, yeah, because she's seen there's a woman on there, she wants to sit in.

SPEAKER_03 56:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

So, what's the message to her? How does she step into her divine energy when she is, like you say, both working skin stressed? How she's that what does it actually practically look like for her day to day?

SPEAKER_01 56:19

She she needs to honour herself. How? She needs to slow down. How? She needs to say she needs real world answers. It's it's quite tricky this one because everyone's different and everyone's family is different, and I'm coming from a single mum point of view. So when I want to step into my divine feminine energy, I'm gonna honour myself and take some time out.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

What does that look like? You mean just like a bath, or do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 56:45

No, no, it means it takes time out from everyone in the world. No contact, it needs silence, my mind. I need to come back to it.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 56:54

It means not going out overdoing doing it, not overdoing the work. It's prioritizing my mental health, my nervous system so I can work with my cycle and really honour myself. So then when I'm ready to rise and I have more energy, then I can step more into my masculine and do that. It's be it's working in if you were looking from a marriage point of view, it's about the man honouring the woman's cycle and really honouring where she needs to rest, where she needs to take time out, where she needs to um be loved. It's about that.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

So to her, to the the question I asked on behalf of, say, this woman who's listening, who's whatever, is taking time out. It's time and saying to your family home, I'm having this time.

SPEAKER_01 57:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

I'm having this time. I'm gonna go and have a bath and I'm gonna go for a walk, or I'm gonna like that. Yeah, it's actually doing it. Yeah, and feel the same and having itself work.

SPEAKER_01 57:50

Yeah, it's about when you do take that time out, it's about showing yourself love. We're giving ourselves to everyone, the kids, the partners, the family, everything. So it's when you take, when I keep saying slow down to you, I want you to receive that in the sense where when you're slowing down, it's about connecting to the heart chakra and actually showing yourself that love and really gathering that energy, calling all your energy back, what you've given to others, really taking that time just to take a few deep breaths. I call all my energy, all my power, and fuel it back to yourself so then you can just realign yourself with that divine energy.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

And I'd say to people watching who are dismissive of it, just try it then, you'll then you'll know, won't you? Because people are dismissive things, right? Even like that, that one that Patsy uh made me do. But I did with Patsy. Yeah, force me. I did with Patsy there. What was that, 30 seconds? It weren't even that, was it?

SPEAKER_03 58:44

No.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

So dismissive of what she's saying, like she said about the women then or the one that I did, just do it then and then you'll know. Yeah. Is is what I what is my message to them. Don't be dismissive till you've done it and tried it, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 58:56

Yeah, of course. I think people are dismissive and people, like I said, mock it. We've we've and you touched on a point where I want to be spiritual, but I want to be Catholic. We've all cut it, people are getting it twisted. We've all come to the earth to have a spiritual experience. We are all spiritual beings. To slow down is to connect with yourself, to slow down is to connect with your nervous system, to slow down is to honour yourself. Let's stop going in this fast-paced world. It's not meant to be like that. We're supposed to see everything, feel everything. And if you're carrying on like that, you're gonna miss life.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

Yeah. And some people are self-destructive, so they'll I was talking about the uh a random you know family in that scenario, but if you look at their the their spending habits might be too much, so it forces them, they can't slow down because they're consuming too much and and those things as well. That's part of slowing down, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

It's the pressure of the masculine world that we're living in. It doesn't need to be like this.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

And it's okay to be a man's man and be masculine. It's okay to be.

SPEAKER_01 59:58

Of course it is, of course it is. Yeah, and I think over the time we've we've we've listened we have toxic femin feminine energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

What does that look like? Go on, talk about that one then.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Uh well, put it this way, I'm not burning my bra on anything. No, but you know, we we do, we do I can do it on my own, I don't need no man, I don't go of course, of course, we need a divine counterpart. This is what we've come here to to receive and and give. We've come here to find out.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:28

Find the right one, the right partner, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

Yeah, of course. And when you have that perfect match, like look at my mum and dad have been married for over 40 years, six kids later, like they've won the lottery. Yeah, they don't have much money, but I look at them and I think, you've won life, the family is all connected. It's about supporting each other, and when you finally meet that match, it's a beautiful thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

That's amazing. Yeah. And what does toxin masculinity look like? Touch on that one a bit more because you've touched on it a little bit earlier, didn't you? What does toxic toxic so is it is that of that is that men suffering from self-worth as well? Can men suffer from self-worth?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

Of course, of course, and this is where abuse comes from. You know, anyone that's giving abuse is suffering inside of what they didn't receive or what they feel about themselves, you know. Um a toxic man is someone who's living in the wounded masculine energy. It's very much like the world's very hard on them shoulder on the shoulders, everything's very hard on them.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:33

Um like a victim mentality.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:35

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:37

What's your message to them? How do they get out of that? Is it the same response?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:40

It's just go within and Yeah, exactly the same. It's about when you're in that perfect union, it's about them taking that time to rest and actually be vulnerable and speak about the feelings. A lot of men now do not speak about the feelings, and it comes across where they're in that masculine energy where they're so driven that they're not connecting with their wife and their kids, and their only time out is to go out and have a blowout with the friends. And then with that comes the demons and the weak of making the family life feel feel shit and rubbish. You know, that is a wounded masculine man. A strong masculine man is there to provide, there to look after the family, to put the family first and to honour them. That's a that's a good masculine man.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

Yeah, it's funny with the with the male side, I don't want it to be about men, I want it to be about women. Yeah, yeah. But to touch on it quickly, there's a lot of um PR hype, if you like, at the moment with you know, men cry too, just talk, and these sort of things. And and as a man looking at it, um I've got a strong masculine energy, but but then the other side, like we were talking about crying, you know, it's just energy moving. Just cry, you've got to cry. But with some men, it can be a case of they just go round and round in it. Yeah, because you do actually there's no action there, and that's important for men and women, isn't it? Yeah, it's it's good to talk, it's good to do the things and and see where you're up to, but actually action towards your thing, otherwise you're just gonna keep going around and around in a victim mentality.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Of course, yeah, it's an hard one because, like I touched on before, we've come to the earth to experience two things is to receive love and give love. Anything in between is us to navigate through. And we're the only species that feels guilt, severe depression on this earth. No one else, we're the only ones that are capable of doing that, and that's because God wants us to experience that with crying, with releasing. If we don't release those tears and release those emotions, that becomes dis-ease in the body diseases, and that's where they come from.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

Dis ease in the body, yeah. Disease. I've never heard that one. I have I know that if you hold it in, it can create illness. I know that. But no, I didn't I've never heard of this. Everything's manifesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

Everything's manifested in the body. So for me, when I was uh younger, I had like a really big fear of God of thinking, I can't do that and I can't do this. I then went into a relationship where a lot of fear was in my mind. What's where does disease come from in the body for kidneys? It comes from fear.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:09

No way.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

That's where you hold it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

No way. That's a very harsh thing, though, isn't it? Because obviously.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

It is, but again, I sight I sight I I had to have that, I had to have that happen to me to do what I'm doing now.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:26

And that's great, because I was just about to that was my next thing. That was so weird you did it on purpose and not on purpose. But um is I want to talk about the retreats that you do.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

And helping women.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:33

So uh these couple of questions again. So you got your your first ever retreat.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

What was that like? Was you nervous? Was it was there women? I was really nervous. How many women attended? Was it that just one this time, or how did it work?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:43

Because even though I'm I'm still a business, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

So one woman might turn up. How did that look your first time you did it?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

Even though I'm a teacher, I'm a learner as well. I'm learning I'm always learning, never stop learning, never stop growing, and we never stop healing. So I'm I'm sat here and I've got a group of women. We went to Wales. This is the first one. This was the first one, and we we did it in camping. Uh I have got Did you fill all your spaces? Yeah, we did, yeah. Did you? And you find this one? Yeah, yeah. Fair play.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:10

How many was that?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

Um there was about seven. I say I forgot the first one, but we've just done a recent one.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:17

Who was the first one? Did you know people?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:18

Yeah, yeah, of course. These are my my clients, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

Um you've got you've got clients that you do one-to-one as well. Yeah. Right. Did you know that bit sorry?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

So um What's that look like?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

Just like a zoom or face-to-face where you just help them?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

No, they they come to me. They come to me, yeah, and they have one-to-one. So I mix it with sound healing, angelic raker, and I do a lot of fascia work as well. Um, so our fascia is our net that's around our organs. So um, when we go through life, anything that's traumatic or anyone that you've been around that's traumatic, our body really grabs onto that. So we don't just hold pain and trauma in our emotional, mental, spiritual bodies. We hold it in our physical engines as well. So it's really about pressing that down and releasing it out of the body. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Um sorry, so your first your first one.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

So that there were your some new clients. It went well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

So we went to um Hollywell. Um we went on to a little pilgrimage that we took people to. Um that was really nice. The second one that we did was in a chapel, and the energy in that place was just insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:18

Where's that? Where's the chapel?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

That was in Wales again. Um it was beautiful. So we just took these women out of the community, we let them rest, we calmed the nervous system, give them really good food.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

Was it a day, two days?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Two days. We did amazing walks, got them in nature, connecting to Mother Earth, and then we did a lot of ceremonies, bringing Mother Mary into the womb area and really cleansing and cleaning.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:43

Lots of crying.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:44

Lots of crying because we did in a child, that shadow work. You do cry when you're doing it, or you just all the time I'm bowing with them. I've I've got everything all on them.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:51

I'm like, Are you crying because you tapped into their energy or you just doing your healing thing?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

Healing self-healing, or crying because we're sharing our pain, you know. It's it's hard being a woman and holding the thought of like, God, I've been through this since like this.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:06

Some it's two days enough for them to calm down because if you've No one wants to go home.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

No one wants to go home.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

Yeah, no, I can imagine, but what I'm saying is I bet it takes half a day for them to chill out. Yeah, it does. Away from the family, the pressures, the kids, everyone wanting, you know, the self-worth issues. But it takes four or five hours before they've actually gone out, actually. Yeah. But then don't you kick in oh shit, I'm going tomorrow. Yeah, it needs to be longer.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

And we're all like, do we have to go home? Do we have to go home to our kids?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

That's because it's like and what I found because I've I've done loads of retreats in the past myself, and what you find is luckily, I I did have a bit of support after, because you can have big shifts on a retreat. I remember when I was just crying 45 minutes straight, just couldn't stop. Um, and then afterwards, you're plunked back into life. Yeah, and if you haven't got that, it can be quite a shock, can't it? And you try but you still got that nice feeling about you, and you're trying to and you and you're living in that floaty, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all of a sudden just life just kicks back in. Just support them after.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:58

After the retreat, the ladies are tired because what you've got to think about it. I've had I've got women that have come in on who've been abused either from you know childhood or whatever the holding. We're doing ceremonies of speaking about it, doing a lot of journal work where people have not even spoken about it before. Journal work, then we're doing inner child work, we're looking at ourselves from that younger point of view, and then we're doing the whole right, okay, we've gathered all this information now, and we're gonna pass it to God, and we're gonna do loads of ceremonial healing work and energy work now to really shift that. So after that, they can't wait to go back to their families, but they're also thinking, Fucking hell, that was a shift. That was ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

It's just on their mind. They're like, Yeah, yeah, I'll do your sandwich angle. And they've got their minds are still there. It's on the mind. The mind's still there. They're trying to do a sandwich for the kid or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

It's on the mind, but it's not where, like, this is where, you know, when you go to I don't know if you've done therapy before, but I've done a lot of therapy, and when you're talking, it's you're bringing all that energy to the footprint.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:55

And that's not God, that's a psychological thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:57

Yeah, I've had to do a lot of therapy because I've been in, I've got a lot of scars, you know, mentally, physically. So going in those therapy sessions, that energy's building up and it's going into your conscious mind, and you're like, right, okay, great. I've spoken about that of them dark times that I went on them machines and that trauma that I've sat with, but what do I do with that energy now? So then retreats are like, right, okay, we spoke about it, and now we're physically gonna move that energy. So, yeah, you do go back home to your family thinking, God, but you feel a bit like I've completely shifted that there. No way. And then ready to forgive and let go and move on. What have you got like an introvert?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

What have you got an introvert on that? What if an introvert goes to your one of your retreats? Listen, and they're thinking they're there as an introvert, yeah. And they've got this woman who's an act uh an extrovert, isn't it? And and she's there waiting and crying, she's happy to be there, she's like, ah, this introvert thinking, yeah, I I want to have a go in, and but I can't because it's the I know the Jane show over there. Yeah. How does that weird question to ask? But I like to think of it from a different perspective. It's so funny though, because someone might be watching and go, I want to go on your your I like Patsy, I'm vibing with her, I want to go on a retreat, but I'm an introvert. Yeah, yeah. And I don't and I might not wanna whatever cry does happen. And and it's yeah, see what I'm saying? These retreats because a lot of women are introverts, really, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

Yeah, we are, we are. We hold our our cards to our chest massively. We'll say we'll say we'll we'll take the lid off it, but we're not gonna show you our tr we're not gonna lay it all on table. You know, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:22

So you've got a retreat where Jane's all out there, and and how do you make it not the Jane show and still try and make it okay for the other six women?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

It's crazy because this retreat have you experienced that yet? Yeah, of course we have. This retreat is for absolutely everyone. I've got to honour Jane.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:38

If that's where Jane is, is where Jane is. You'll accept that. Yeah, but if Jane's then affecting other people wanting to go through and release, yeah, no. How'd you manage that?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

We've got psychics on the retreat that come, we've got healers that are coming on the retreat, we've got your normal Jane that goes for a normal job coming on the retreats. The conversation is wild. If you're eating your breakfast in the morning, we are talking about buddy fairies, goblins, and then doing the school run. It's crazy. No, honestly, the retreat is literally mind-opening, like talking about sounds amazing for a way. It is, and it's it's it's it's open. That person, say for instance, that Jane who's doing the school run, who's who is an introvert, and she is around these psychics and she's around these healers. Her mind is having this conversation, this conscious, and she's she's thinking, Well, I I remember that because I that's where I've come from. And something's triggering in Jane's mind thinking, well, actually, yeah, that that's that's interesting, that, because I do remember that, and I do feel that. And it's opening them, it's putting all these different walks of life round a table. Uh, because at the end of the day, we are all women.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

That's the one definite connection you've got.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

And we're we're all a bag of bones and blood just this just the same round the table, and we just get it out there and get it done.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

And have you had some big shifts happen for people?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:01

Massive, massive, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:03

By shifts, by the way, we mean realisations, we mean releases, we mean emotion build-ups, we mean you know, epiphanies, and yeah, that's what we mean when we say shifts.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

Well, you when you when I say shift, it'll be like shifts, anything you want to say. I mean, it's everyone gets too tired up of how we say things, don't we? But yeah, yeah. Massive shifts. So, like you've you've got women coming home and the the relationships with the partner is absolutely it's saved it. You've got women that are coming home and have been a better role model to the kids. You've got women coming back and thinking, I needed that break. Some people don't stop, like my mum, you know, and they've made friends for life. It's it's you've you've got to come on it, it's just amazing. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:49

And another one what um thing I wanted to touch on is it's amazing how I said uh uh face to camera one once um because I had a realisation, and I was saying as adults, not all adults, because some like we say just go do do do do do retire, die, same face as dead, that's fine, whatever. But uh some of them have got this searching and this longing or whatever, and as adults, we not all of us, want to discover and self-discover and grow and all these things. And my message was to teenagers, I was saying if they looked at it a bit earlier, if they looked at things a bit earlier in their life, they haven't got to then go through the big shift when they're older. So, how do we what message would we have to because one of that as a as I don't know if it's saying for women but uh lads, teens, they all become like this one personality, lads, it might be saying for girls as well, because and then they don't discover their identity, they can run with the wrong crowd, things can happen, blah blah, and then later on by the time they've settled down and they decide to go on a self-development journey, they're then unpacking the trauma for when they're kids and blah blah blah. So, is there anything out there, or do you do anything to help uh early teens girls or young girls as well? Oh, yeah, amazing. Of course, yeah. There's no need to wait till you're our age and we've got to unpack it all and cry with us all. Why don't you try and do it now? Yeah. Earlier.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:05

On the retreat, um what coming up to the retreat, I I I come to this realisation with my daughter, and because she lives in two different homes, she it she lives where where she's with me, she dresses what she wants. She dresses crazy if she wants to wear jeans and a tutu or whatever, she can go out there. The other day we went to a restaurant and she had a witch's outfit on. You do you, because she just tells me to where to go anyway. And then on the opposite, she's she looks very pristine and stuff. And that was this this little friction here of who she needs to be is sort of conflicting with Bo. So I started doing mirror work with Bo, and I do it with myself now every day. So in this in the car, we look in the mirror and we go, right, who's that? And she goes, Bo. And I go, Who, what, what, what is Bo about? And she goes, Oh, she looks in the mirror, she goes, because she started drumming into that. She goes, I'm beautiful, I'm strong, I'm amazing, I'm brave, and this. And she's looking at herself in the mirror, and that's something that I've brought into the retreats. And we do want to grow with a lot of young children, and we want to bring it to the tea. I've actually got a class next week with some teenage girls, and we're going to be doing a lot of mirror work, and it starts We never discussed that at all, did we? No, no, it actually starts from the way you look at yourself in the mirror, and that's what should be taught to young women because and lads, but and lads, yeah, of course, and lads.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:28

Um I'm just speaking from what I've created, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:32

But definitely, definitely with men, because if the men looked at themselves in the mirror the way God created them, this toxic masculine mascul um masculine men, the wounded men, wouldn't come out in the relationships of making women feel unworthy.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

Exactly, and that's where I was going. That's where I was going.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:50

You know? So um it always starts looking in the mirror, and we should be teaching that from a young age, really putting that in them. Like you be who you want to be, you dress who you want to be, like.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:01

Because you are beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:02

Yeah, who you are.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:03

Yeah, and it if we all walk together.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:05

My kids know it's the one thing I shout, it's the only thing that I'll get angry about is when they talk negative about themselves.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:10

Oh, I hate it.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:11

But they caught the at first when they started doing it, they didn't get the head found it. Like, you didn't even tell me off for that. This you're actually going mad about. It's that important. Yeah, it is. Do not talk negative about yourself ever and they both know. Yeah. Both my kids know, you don't do it.

unknown 1:16:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:22

Like you said, you talk positive.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:23

And that's and that's on the regime.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:24

My lad's took it to a different level of positivity, he's gone into a level of arrogance. He's 16, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:28

Yeah, yeah. But anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:30

He's well in his ego. I love that. And I watch the And is the number nine path, you know, on Charlie's with numerology. Yeah. He's a nine path number, which is all about looks and ego and that sort of thing as well. But you know that numerology is mad. Have you looked at that as well?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

I looked at one of your other podcasts and you were speaking about the ego, and I um Yeah, let's talk about ego. Yeah, let's speak about it. Because I was watching it and I was I was I was going through like a definitely went over, it's fine. Have you?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:54

Fine. We have to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:55

Yeah, we have collectively.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:57

Yeah, um, go on. We're fine for 15, 20 minutes, come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:00

And we need that. God gave us an ego.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:03

Yeah, to drive us.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:04

Yeah. And it is also our protection. So when you know when, what we need to realise in life is when to put our ego aside to admit when we're wrong and show forgiveness and mercy and compassion and compassion, accountability, and when to put that armour back on with the ego and be like, actually, I'm gonna protect myself here because that is what does that. So I was watching the podcast and I thought that's really interesting, that because we always like, well, that's your ego talking, and this is that, but you need it. You do need your ego. I think you need a bit of ego.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:37

You do, but like you say, it's so hard to sell, especially with teenagers, uh, to for them to stop not having ego because they don't know, they're still learning and growing, aren't they? Yeah. But if we can collectively help early teens and teens become self-aware and talk positive about themselves, we're affecting it earlier. Because you want your mission is is to help women.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:57

Well, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:57

But it could be it's not not too late, obviously, but then then that that helps their kids straight away, doesn't it? Yeah, of course. When women are healed and doing the bits, it helps the like Bo is that a leg up with having you as a mum, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if we can it will collectively help the adults.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:10

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:11

But then if you can help the kids as well, yeah. And that's what is like an age of Aquarius thing, then the new generation coming through. Yeah, it's we're all being taught differently. Yeah. And saying, No, it's all right, you dress how you want, you do what you want. Don't put it on anybody else, you be you, but you can't force that on anybody else. And your vibe finds your tribe and all that sort of stuff. And like you were saying, hanging your hat on God and saying, That's that, Jesus Christ, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:30

And then you're finding the people that are 100% you attract your crowd.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:35

I believe in that.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:36

So um the mission of the sacred heart is much bigger. So um go on, that's not it. Yeah, in a couple of years, we're gonna be opening our centre, and this is where you're gonna see. We don't know where just yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:48

Open.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:49

But it's gonna be open.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:50

No, I mean you're open to where, I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

Um it's gonna be in Manchester, yeah. The centre. Which is Manchester, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:55

Um it is happening. It's happening. You're manifesting that.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's happening, yeah. I know that'll happen. But you're gonna see a very strong movement with children and the younger teens with the sacred heart when the when the centre opens, and it's gonna have everyone coming in, and it's just gonna have that frequency, like we've just been speaking for the full podcast. Um, and it's gonna be a hub where people can come, women, children, everyone.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:20

Is this the first time you spoke about this on like on your live, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:23

Is it? Yeah, yeah, people know about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:25

Yeah, but you haven't done it on your socials or not put it on my social media. Because it's weird how that how that frequency energy thing works, because I've prompted you and I didn't even know. I had no idea you were you were doing that, did I?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

So it's like God's gone for me and gone, tear up.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:36

Of course, yeah. Tear up, you know. Yeah, yeah. And everything that we're doing on the retreats with the inner child, that's what you're gonna see at the centre as well. It's gonna be really helping and moulding because what you're seeing now is a lot of young adults who haven't got jobs.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:49

And there's lost. Who are on the show?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:50

Generally lost, who are getting into crime and stuff like that. The Sacred Heart wants to get involved with stuff like that. The lost, you know, the addicts, boys and girls, the single mums, boys and girls, you mean boys and girls, yeah. The Sacred Heart team is gonna grow massively, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:05

Cool on fact.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:06

Yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:06

Cool on fact. It's funny because there's, I think you're right about the age of aquarius and the general theme of things. A guest that interviewed the other day, who's had a bad background, and uh that's what he wants to do. But in a different way. He's he's identified that these people that try and help teens in his area, uh troubled teens, it's not really they're not really helping. He's not really getting to them. And the and the money's just going missing. And he's saying, No, I really want to help them, directly help them and deal with things like with lads, if they're going down a bad path, for example, it's actually you need to it's easy to go, right? You need to not hang around with them, then you'll be alright. Well, yeah, but how does that actually look like? What words do I say to them? How do I actually do that? And that's what it's that that real life help that can help communities. Not, oh, just don't hang around with them. Oh cheers, all right. And they're knocking on my door.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:51

Because what what's happening with these gangs now, they're probably getting paid off some bigger people to do some really naughty stuff. So why would they go and get, you know, listen to some person who's gonna try and help them and get them less wage than what they're getting? With the sacred heart, we want to come up with a scheme where we are getting these lads off the street where they are getting a really good job and an opportunity and some money behind them where they can actually take a different route.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:18

Um and it's it's like it's like it's telling them to say, look, the opportunity is there, and blah, blah, blah. Because like you see, underneath everyone's kind and like, you know, like you want to meet your husband and stuff, it ex-husband. Um what they'll see is they'll inside be grateful, but they'll be scared to fuck it up. And it's letting them know, look, we don't we expect you to go wrong, we expect you to make a mistake. It's okay, it's all right. Yeah. You can take this opportunity without having that weight on you. Yeah, you better not mess mess this up, you better not mess this up. Exactly, yeah. Because then what happens is the pressure of having to think they've got to succeed because they've been gifted something just takes them straight back to the team. Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, yeah. So it's having that support and letting them know it's okay to trickle forward, we're still gonna be here for you. And having that consistency in their life, definitely, which is important for teens. Which I think Yeah, massively, yeah. No one except no one explains that to them. No. They just go, there's your opportunity, you've got your opportunity, go work there, do that. But then sits them down and goes, Look, you've been given this opportunity, but don't stress too much, just do your best. Yeah, and that's the bit that's missing sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:11

I think it's hard with the with the centre. What we want to do is we want to take a lot of people away from the technology. You know, it we've got these phones now that are showing all sorts and stuff, and I think with with with meditation and the the healing that we're going to provide, we want to teach these kids how to connect to God consciously through their heart and quieting the mind and coming back to themselves and really trying to give them that peace because I don't think there's nothing being taught like that for them.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:38

No, and I think a lot of them can't even go on the streets because the mums and the dads are scared to them to be on the streets, something might happen to them. So they've got no choice but to look at games and do things inside the house because they don't want to be on the street, where when I was younger, it was alright, we're on the streets and whatever, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:52

It's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:53

It is really interesting. Just um I could keep talking, you know, I could you could see it kind of a bit. I know, but I'm thinking about Rich at the time. Um so where does like numerology and astrology fit into your views? Just out of curiosity. I'm gonna guess your star sign in a second as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:10

Oh yeah, go on. Guess it first.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:12

There's a new thing. The last guess I was gonna guess, and I got it right. I got his rising sign, so I got it right. Yeah. Um you know about rising sign, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

Uh I was gonna go with you. Uh we're doing that. Does it a teacher like that?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:24

Well, this is what my daughter said when I when uh she's in trouble, I always do this.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:28

I was gonna guess, I was stuck between a couple in my head.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:33

You can't pick a couple, you gotta pick one.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:34

No, because you got you got your main one, you got your rising side, aren't you? So that's why you everyone's two, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, go on. I'm Paishi's an Aquarius. Yeah. So my Aquarius side is this speaker to the people, being quick, personality, whatever, and Paish is the deeper side. So I I am both.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:47

So if someone guessed Paisha Aquarius, they get it right, wouldn't they? Yeah. So can I have that then a bit more?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:52

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:53

Oh, it's gonna go Capricorn.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:54

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:55

No way. Okay, so the second guess. Second guess. What?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:59

Please don't get this wrong, it's gonna be awkward, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:01

No, it's fine if we get it wrong. It's okay, it's fine. No, no, yeah, yeah. And dump it with the right one. I'm just getting I'm stuck then really because I was really I was really sure about Capricorn for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:13

What do you feel? What do you mean? I feel Gemini, but do you know Gemini, but no, that wasn't my guess, so you can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:18

Oh no, I'm not doing that because that wasn't my guess. I was just feeling actually. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:24

Um better not pick a shit one now.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:30

Yeah, but is there a shit one? I'm stuck between forget what I said, Gemini. Just forget that one. That was just something that popped in my head.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:39

Go on.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:40

Okay. Uh Aquarius or Paishis, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:43

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:44

No way, go on.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:45

No, I am a Leo.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:46

I was gonna go Leo, I swear.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:48

Yeah, it was a fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:49

I swear I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:51

So I'm a double fire, double fire.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:53

I was gonna would you believe it? I was gonna say it, I was gonna say it.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:55

Not really, no, I was going to say it.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:58

Leo kept coming in, I kept going again. So what is it, Aries?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:02

Leo, Aries, and Virgo.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:04

Oh good.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:04

Yeah, so um, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:06

Because Leo helps you to express, and Aries gives you the the drive. And Virgo's the the grounded.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

Yeah. So I'm very I'm very passionate.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:15

Very fiery.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:17

I I'm I'm not I know no one's gonna believe me, but Leo kept coming to me and I didn't say it. Yeah, it's fine. Do you want to ask out? You know what? No, no, I'll take it, I'll take it. I'm gonna take it. Because you know what, the last guess, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you why.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:27

Go on.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:27

You watched the interview, I guessed Leo for him, and it was coming into my head, Leo, because you you'll see then I'm right, because when you see this guest, Algie's name is, and I said Leo. And I that was his rising sign, so I got it right. So, and that I had Leo in my head when I was asking you.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:40

Did you? So that's why. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:42

So there's the link to show some proof. Okay. Yeah, there you go. Can I have it, Lil?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:45

Yeah, yeah, okay, you can have it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:47

So, yeah, you you you say so numerology. What just give me your view on numerology? Oh, yeah, that was it, because you asked me to get the number of and numerologistrology and astrology. Where does that fit into your views?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:57

I love it. Well, I do you know what? I love I love everything to be honest with you, because it's all at one.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:03

So or God, all under the umbrella of God.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:05

I would say so, yeah. Um I love where like let's talk about the year of the snake last year. It made so much sense. Like last year was all it was a karmic.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:16

It's my enemy yeah, I've had a tough one.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:17

Yeah, I think we all have. I mean, we all look like shit, don't we?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:20

But you don't. I look tired.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:23

But it was a really tough one. So a lot of karmic people, places coming into your life, teaching you some valuable lessons. It taught us what we need to shred and and move. And I mean, I don't know what time this podcast is going to be shown, but the new year doesn't start till around the 17th of Feb. So what what you're feeling now isn't in this this last couple of weeks is the last shred of things, of getting things done, of moving those toxic people out of your life, blocking those people, putting those boundaries in place and really going forth. So this year, the year of the horse, is all about momentum, like going forward, getting those opportunities. And we need to think of it of being on a racehorse. So you can't look left, you can't look right, you've just got to go bum boom ba boom and go and go as far as you can go with it and have the best year. It's supposed to be amazing for Leo's by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:12

So I've seen that actually. I've seen that and Aquarius. Yeah, yeah. What what what animal are you then in the Chinese?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:20

I am a oh my god, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:23

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:24

One minute.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:25

Um what's your year?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:27

1991. But I do love anything like this. I mean, I'm obsessed with the Chinese baddy trend at the moment on life.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:34

Yeah, but you don't know, but you don't know your animal.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:37

Oh, I don't know what animal. I think it's a pig. I think it's a pig.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:40

Oh, same as me.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:40

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:41

So snake's your enemy year. You've had your enemy year. It's funny because with these things, like my daughter's a snake, and she's just she turned 12 in November. She's probably had the worst, toughest time ever. And that's why sometimes I think, uh, you have to take everything with a pinch of salt. See what I mean? Yeah. But then again, like with the spoke up with spoken.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:00

With your experiences, is is it the toughest time or is it or is it everything's everything's evolving the way because if you don't move these if these experiences last year of these toxic people and these lessons didn't come in, you wouldn't be able to move forward on having this amazing year this year. And don't get me wrong, there's going to be little hiccups, but it's going to be a very successful year for people, and people need to stand in that and honour it and really bathe in it. Go for it, yeah. Get stuck in. Uh because we always have a year on and year off, don't we? Of like a really like challenging year where we're growing and we're shredding and we're purging, and then the year of actually, right, let's move on now. Let's get on it, let's stop feeling sorry for ourselves, let's go.

unknown 1:28:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:41

That's happening for you, isn't it? You can tell you're oozing it. I'm flipping, you're oozing it. And um so no one of the last questions. I want to carry on talking about I've got to stop.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:51

Yeah, I've got to stop.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:52

Um is um another tough question. Like, who are you is a tough question, which you answered well.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:58

Is what do you want?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:00

What do I want?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:02

That's another another tough question, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:08

I genuinely want to help people. I really, really want this mission of mine to be to go above and beyond and really help people and touch people, and the main mission I want out of it is to bring more faith to people and not push people away because that's what the masculine energy has been doing. So my mission now is solely to bring people to faith, and that's it through the heart, and to open people up to that and let the healing begin.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:37

Yeah, that's that's beautiful. So yeah, yeah, that's lovely, yeah. So learn the bit that you want the people to be attracted to it rather than like you say, just shoving it down the throats or making it making it a closed how I want people to have their own relationship with God and start really connecting to that source energy and stop getting in the rat race.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:54

That's my mission to inspire people and bring that love frequency, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:58

And you have, you have, you're doing it. Oh, thank you. Yeah, you're actually doing it, aren't you?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:01

Yeah, try it.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:02

You're doing it, you're doing it. And um what were we asking then as well? Um, oh yeah, so so this mission you've got, which you which you're doing, yeah, is um when you go, you want it to be bigger and all these things. So you get have you got a team to grow with?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:16

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:16

Because you're gonna need people for a centre, you're gonna need people. I've got the best team. Have you?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:21

I've got the best team.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:22

What is your team made up of?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:23

So my team is my best friend soulmate, Gemma, my sister. Yeah? And I've got one of my best friends, Jen, who's beside me. I've got my full family, my sister.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:35

Who's beside you, Jen? As in basically your mates are like, one of my best friends. Yeah, no, no, I'm sorry.

unknown 1:30:40

I still love that.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:41

So Gemma Jen.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:43

Jen. Um they're bringing the business side. Um, they're my little secret weapons that I've got in my pocket. Um, I've got my best friends helping me doing all the cooking. We're gonna have like a cafe in there, um, and they're helping on the retreats. I have um I've just got my nearest and dearest coming in, and it's growing, it's growing, so the team is growing. So we're gonna be doing a lot of work with the men now. So we've gonna we're gonna be working with a lot of um new men coming in helping expand that with the children. We're gonna be doing lots of stuff like that. So yeah, it's expanding every every time.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:20

That's amazing. And um, I don't know how much business background you've got or you haven't got. Are you ready for people when it comes to businesses and things like that, and you've got these people around you, things can test relationships.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

I can't come in today. You're like, fucking hell, not today. Don't do it to me today, and then the friction builds, and and those sort of things. Are you are you ready for them things?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:40

Of course. My my team are my family and my nearest and dearest, my best friends, my ride or dies. So, nothing we we are a very, very strong team, and every single team member, we're not coming with this woo-of-woo effect. Every team member that I've got on my team come from the heart, they have got the biggest hearts and they're there to give, and that's their gift, and that's why I've chosen.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:06

That's amazing. Yeah, that is amazing, yeah. So, um, obviously, every reel that I put out will tag you in and stuff. Um so when's your next retreat? Which this this podcast won't go out, you see. So when's your tell me your next one?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:23

The we haven't, but we we're doing workshops every month now for the Sacred Heart. Every month. Yeah, every month, and every everyone's a different one, and we're going through the cycles.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:31

Can they go on through Zoom as well, or is it just physical?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:33

Just physical, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:34

Because you want them there.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:35

Yeah, you want we want bums on seats, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:37

Yeah, because people ask if to do podcasts with me on Zoom and stuff. I can't, I want it, you've got to be here.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:43

No, yeah, it's not the same. It's not, is it I agree with that? We do hands on healing, we're not hoverers. We're we if you're gonna have healing off me, you're gonna get touched, you're gonna have that hand on the heart, and you're gonna feel it. Yeah. No Zoom. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:56

Okay. Um you do it then once a month?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:58

We do once a month.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:59

How often do you do the retreats?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:00

We do the retreats probably three times in the year. Um, and I probably think our next one is around July time. Might be earlier than that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:08

When do you start advertising for that?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:10

Um, we're probably gonna advertise end of March.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:14

And do you have the same people coming to each retreat, or do you want new faces?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:16

Well, you can come again. We had we've got people that want to come back again and do the whole thing again. Um, but this retreat is gonna be different from the womb retreat. We'll be doing the womb retreat this year, um, but the new one is gonna be totally different. So we're gonna be opening new doors. You're not saying we're not, yeah, we're not saying. Yeah, no, we're gonna be working with different ones. So the the the womb healing was all about Mother Mara and about what she had to go through. We're gonna be doing one with Mary Magdalene, we're gonna be doing one with Yeshua, and mainly again with the angels, you've got Archangel Michael, Raphael, Gabriel bringing them into the space. So, yeah, it's massive what we're doing. So each one you're gonna be learning different things about yourself.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:01

And to sort of is there anything there's two things I'm gonna say quickly before we close. Is there anything that we haven't touched on that you wanted to in your edge you think, oh, we've never got to speak about that, we've never got to say that.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:13

Just going back to the retreats of the inner child, the forgiveness and letting go and the self-love, this is what we want to be our mission on the retreats is to teach these women to actually let release and let that go finally from their heart chakra. Because sometimes we carry on life with getting confused with empathy, with overcarrying, and it's about letting that go and and passing it to the divine. Like forgiveness, like self-forgiveness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything forgiving forgiving others, forgiving yourself, but that is something that we uh teach, and that's where you're gonna feel the benefits because you're gonna feel that uh being lifted away from you.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:53

Yeah, that's a that's a really important message. And so the to to one last thing is not saying um because we didn't go into any detail with your relationship, but let's say there's someone out there going through some sort, there's many different variations of abusive relationships. So there's a lady watching this or listening to this, and what message would you give to her who is currently in an abusive relationship of some sort?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:20

Um I think the best advice I could give is it doesn't matter if it was uh physical or mental. She's in it now, and she's in it, it doesn't it doesn't matter if it if if it's been physical abuse or mental abuse, it's just as bad and it's it's it's just as damaging and you're not alone with it, and there does come a breaking point, and you've got to be brave enough to walk away and honour yourself. Um and when you do that, it's a very scary time, but it's the most uh rewarding time where you're gonna find yourself because no one deserves that.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:59

No, I'm going back to forgiveness quickly. I'll just add a flash just to come into my head, so I'm gonna have to say it. Um they must they might feel guilt towards the child that they've picked that wrong partner and they're trying to then putting that child in a YMCA or semi-homeless or living on settees and they're looking at the kid thinking, oh my god, it so that's where that self-love and forgiveness comes in, actually, doesn't it? Because you're thinking it's not it's not because it isn't your fault, the woman's fault. Yeah, but they must feel that because that's how the women what female energy is, like all that love for that child, oh my god, I can't believe I've done this to you. And it isn't you that's done it, see what I'm saying as well. So I'd say that's gotta be a message to the people.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:33

And most of the time people are in unhappy relationships because listen, we go through life and we're meant to meet different soul partners, yeah, and different soul contracts, and most of the time these relationships come from not wanting to cut the cord with that person and they're carrying that relationship on just for the sake of the children and just for the sake of going home, paying the bills and that comfortable lifestyle. You're not here just to be in a comfortable lifestyle, you're here to have a spiritual experience. So when you finally break that break that cord and come back to yourself, you're setting yourself free. You don't like I'm not here to say don't be in that marriage because you know, some marriages are beautiful, and like I've spoken on the podcast. But if you're in a relationship where you're not getting your needs met and you're feeling really shit for most of the time, you need to be brave enough to actually see it from a higher self point of view and think this is this is actually quite a negative relationship to be in. This is not for my highest good.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:36

Which is really hard to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:37

It's really, really hard to do. It's really hard to do because you still love that person.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:42

And but for the females as well, it's harder for them because they're the ones usually left with the kids' hand, so like dump with the kids. They want that. But it's hard for the dad not seeing the kids watching the mourning until good day at school, they're not having that daily interaction the dads on, and the mum, but the dads are freer, yeah, because they they haven't got the responsibility of the kids. Yeah, and the mums have that beautiful relations with the kids every day, but they haven't got the freedom the dad's got, and it's it's a tough one, isn't it? Yeah, of course. If it's for a greater good, it's for a greater good, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:09

For the kids and for themselves. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:11

Should we end it on that one?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:12

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:13

Thank you so much, thank you so much.