UV19 - Rigor Mortis (2013)

Have some sticky rice with Chris and Charlie while they fail to grasp basic concepts and have a tenuous grasp at best on this week's movie

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Yeah. As I look through the unable to know my ears are so fucking that too.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Can you link me oh shit, no? I'll just do it myself. I got it. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

I've started trying to stretch my ears. And I think I've had the one size up enough that I'm supposed to be putting it over to the other one. Cause I woke up this morning and the the stretched thing had came out and had the rubber band and I'd somehow caught it in my sleep. And I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Oh that's was it in your ear when you woke up?

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Yeah, it was like it's just like a little black earring, but with like a little acrylic chip behind it. I had to move it up like 0.4 millimeters every two months.

SPEAKER_04 1:12

What do you mean move it up? Um I'm stretching. Oh, okay. I don't get it. I'm saying okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

What do you mean you don't get it?

SPEAKER_00 1:27

What do you mean move it up? When you're stretching your ear, I imagine whatever is in your ear would be moving down.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

What do you mean moving down? It's a circle. You just you get a bigger one.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Oh moving up, yeah. Okay, I mean too literal. I thought you meant uh vertically.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

No, I meant like you know, up in the size. I see what you mean. I'm at like 1.6, and I think it's like two is the next size. It's itchy as shit. See something. See when you wedge something in your ear that's slightly bigger than it's supposed to be, it fucking itches so bad.

SPEAKER_04 2:10

What do you do for that? Do you have a cream or anything?

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Nah, some people like we say get like a like you get oils and it'll make your lobes stretchier. But I'm I'm I'm the type of mother that doesn't look after their their tattoos while stealing, never mind buying fucking loop for my ear.

SPEAKER_04 2:30

How has that gone for you with your tattoos? Oh, it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

I had one that dried really bad whilst healing, but then at that point it was dry and it was nothing I could do about it anyway. It's like really, I don't know. It's weird. Every tattoo artist will tell you the exact same ways to look after your tattoo, and they'll all tell you, make sure you do it whilst it's healing, or you're gonna fuck up your tattoo. But the thing is that none of the tattoo artists do it to their own tattoos either. It's very much a do as I say, not as not as I do situation.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

It's uh to prevent an not ideal situation from happening more than something that definitely will happen.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Oh no, it definitely should happen. The fact that I don't have I don't think I've had any no, I would have had to go to spot had an infection.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

Do I see the missing pieces? I've got like a missing pieces.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

I've got like a black crow that's like a bit faded. That was probably from not looking after it.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

Hmm. What do you do to look after it over time?

SPEAKER_02 3:41

Well typically So you uh you know no tattoos too much, you'll get second skin for like it can stay up on for up to like a week, but most people after two or three days, that's just like a second layer of skin. It's like a really thin plaster that you you can put over and it'll trap all the skin juices, and that's really good for it. But if you go to a poor tattoo artist, they're probably just gonna wrap you in cling film and slap you on your way. Now, typically we say put moisturizer on it, but the thing is you can't use fragrance moisturizer because that will have chemicals in it that will irritate it, and you can't use a thick or like heavy-based moisturizer because your skin will absorb too much of it and then it'll start to push out. But ink inside your skin. So what you need to do is that include gasoline. We'll put Vaseline on your skin whilst they're doing it, but we wouldn't recommend putting putting it on for healing.

SPEAKER_04 4:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:41

What I use is you know the coconut oil you put in curries.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

You heat it up, it turns to a liquid. I rub that on it, it hydrates the skin, it smells good. And you don't have to worry about getting too thick because your body heat melts it to a liquid.

SPEAKER_04 5:00

With it. But you have to watch out for um okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

For some reason, people use monkeys to collect coconuts for coconut oil, and it basically ends up as monkey slavery. So you need to make sure you buy cocoa, it's monkey-free coconuts.

SPEAKER_04 5:25

Have we talked about monkey-free coconuts before?

SPEAKER_00 5:27

I feel like we have.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

I have no memory of it, but I feel like we have.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

This is why I need to tell you again, or you would have bought some slave trade chimpanzee coconuts.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Please do. No, maybe I am. Maybe I'm no, I haven't bought coconut in a while.

SPEAKER_04 5:49

I don't even drink coconut water. Because I can't imagine you're very um acclimatized to eating coconuts a lot of the time. I've had one actual coconut in my life, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

I need to retry coconut because I like everything to do with coconut, but I remember eating coconut and not liking the flesh of the coconut.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

But I love like shredded coconut. You know, I made macarons the other day, but that that doesn't count as having a coconut.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Oh, do you use I don't know if you get a version of a bounty in America?

SPEAKER_04 6:30

Of what?

SPEAKER_02 6:32

It's just it's it's uh we used to call it a chocolate bar instead of a sweetie, but it's just a chocolate bar where it's just these little like finger shapes of condensed coconut tightly packed with uh chocolate around them.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

People say they're a bounty.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

I mean they're they're pr I feel like you would know the condensed coconut. What do you call what do you so it's candy and chocolate bars? Do you guys actually specify that when you're talking, or do you just consider chocolate bars a candy?

SPEAKER_04 7:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

It's the it's a whole range of candy confectionery, and then you know, chocolate is sort of sweet, but maybe a candy is something that's more spun, or you know, you could get into a really granular argument, but chocolate and generalized candy.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

Surely confectionery is too British. I guess so. I use it as a term.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

I didn't realize it was considered that, but also nobody uses it.

SPEAKER_02 7:50

Hold on, I'm looking this up. Oh, I've had such a bad stomach asked the today.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

To me, stuff like chunks of dark chocolate, that's not candy. But if you just start putting those chunks in your mouth, now that's candy.

SPEAKER_03 8:08

You know, it's sort of a you know it when you see it situation.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

But what what so why does the act of eating it change its labeling?

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Because a chocolate bar is just candy. It's just made for the purpose of consumption. That's an ingredient.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

Like chunks of dark chocolate or chocolate chips. Yeah, but cheese is also a food, but you could also say cheese is an ingredient.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Depends on the cheese. There's a lot of wedged cheese that is meant for enjoying on its own or with a cracker.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Oh, you're so British. What the fuck? You're cheese and crackers. Yes, confection is a standard British term.

SPEAKER_04 8:55

I like it, I'm taking it.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

But I thought I thought you guys were allergic to uh multisyllable words.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

I'm putting that U and everything also. Fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

You call aluminium aluminum?

SPEAKER_00 9:12

I'm not, I'm not uh yes, I'm calling it aluminum.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

But it's not, it's not even spelled, but like I would understand if when you broke off from Britain you went, okay, it's not spelt that way, so we're gonna pronounce it how it's spelled. But it's spelt that way.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

Which is what happened. But you can see when you look at it, it's aluminium. There's no there's no double O. How's there an O sound?

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Why are you capitalizing the U in the minimum?

SPEAKER_00 9:47

I'm pretty sure it's spelt differently between us.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Because is there an IUM at the end for you?

SPEAKER_02 9:56

Hold on, we're getting to the bottom of this. Aluminium.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

You can have a short U and a long U in the same word. There's British spelling. The American uses aluminum.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Yeah, you spelt it. Why you would just change the words? I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Oh, I'm using aluminium. That's fucking dumb, that's why.

SPEAKER_04 10:32

You don't call potassium potassium, do you? We do call it potassium.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

I don't know. It's like with it's like when you s went over and started stealing land, you decided to change grey to grey. You just walked out an E and an A.

SPEAKER_04 10:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

It's the same word. What's the point?

SPEAKER_04 10:54

Yeah. Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

And we did it really good too.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

See the thing is between grey and grey, I can't tell what one's a British and what one's the American one. I think I switch between them when I write. I think EY is British.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

I have no idea. I didn't know that was the distinction until just now.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

See, okay, go to type grey and what does your you can't. But like what does c yeah instantly.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

I have my phone here, which I'm gonna use for to have the Wikipedia up for this weird fucking movie.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

Uh I'm getting A in the US.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that makes sense. But the thing is, if I hypothetically say I bought something with the word grey on it, I would never notice if it's the American spell.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

No, me neither.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Today what we're watching is Rigor Mortis from 2013, directed by Juno Mock. I feel like we just gotta get that out of the way, honestly. Yeah, I feel like we're gonna be bouncing in and out.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

Interesting conversation on demand. Chris, you suggested this one. Where the fuck did you find this movie from?

SPEAKER_04 12:21

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Because you you said it like, oh, I've been meaning to watch this as if it's like a film you've heard lots about. And when I went on Tubi, there were three versions of it with an unofficial poster, which should have been my first gauge. But this isn't a very iffy. So I fucking go on it. Espanyol. That's not right. I go on it, Cantonese with no subtitles. That's not right. I go to the English version and it's dub. I don't know how you have subtitles, and I don't, and fuck it. I feel like my the the level of comprehension of the plot that I had of this film was significantly lowered by the dub because I don't I have no idea what happened at any point throughout this entire movie. I should have watched the dub. The dub sounds funny. There isn't, it's not, it's not even that there was like a couple of moments where you go, oh, that's that's real bad. But aside from it, it's just it we seem like a bunch of like bored NPC characters from a video game. There's no life in any of the conversations.

SPEAKER_04 13:41

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

That's frustrating. I I like the acting in the original. I think I had whatever version you tried to download that had messed up subtitles, because mine were not timed fully well. There were scenes when they'd be ahead.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

So my version with the messed up subtitles is I went, okay. I have watched about 10 to be ads. They've got they've got the finances from it. I'm going to pirate this to try and watch it properly. And now, piracy, I could only find it in 800p. I've never heard of 800p as a resolution before. The subtitles were out of sync, and I also think the subtitles were just the dub and not a translation of what they were actually saying.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Oh well, I mean, mine could have been. I I wouldn't know, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

Did you have a coherent plot? Do you know what was happening at most points of the movie?

SPEAKER_04 14:45

Yeah. Okay, well, I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

So you're good, you're you're definitely walking me through.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

I mean, it was when I say yeah, there were things I didn't get, and I felt like I wasn't supposed to get them yet. Like the ghosts.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

I still don't fully get like the kid, the little kid, what he's doing. Uh I like well, I don't know. I don't know where to start with the easily where do you start with? Because you we start we start sort of loops around on itself.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah, we start with the end, which is them lying on the floor. And you're like, okay, so it looks like it's gonna be like a a matrix action movie. And then we cut to a man attempting to kill himself in his hotel room.

SPEAKER_04 15:40

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Yeah, uh it's grim, and then he starts to hang himself, and a uh a ghost comes in and starts possessing him, and then a man comes in and does a flying kick sword slice to cut the rope.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

I think before we go into the plot, this apartment block thing that he's in, what's the deal with it? I don't know if like it's an apartment block that people know is haunted, but people just live there because they're used to it. I don't know if it's supposed to be a regular apartment block because we see outside shots of it and it looks normal, but when people are walking about it, it's like weird brutalist Russian architecture, and everything's a grey stone, and there's there's corridors that just lead to construction, and sometimes there's just bathrooms uh randomly spursed about this place, and there's a restaurant somewhere on it, and there's an escalator and that goes from the center hole, which I'm pretty sure from the outside of the apartment block, there isn't a uh a hole in the centre of this apartment block, but there's a singular escalator that seems to only go up halfway through the block of flats, and I don't understand what the set is supposed to be at all. There was there was there's uh there's a corridor that has wires, but the wires kind of like organically flow together, and that just is Dash is taking it as normal.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

Chris, why why is it?

SPEAKER_00 17:40

It's just supposed to not be real at the end of the day, right? I mean, spoilers for the movie, but he's it's all uh an imagination of his dying brain.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

But like, yeah, but okay, say that's say that's true. He still rented that apartment, he still went into this weird place, this weird place was supposedly a place.

SPEAKER_04 18:08

True, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

He's basing it on things, but you know, all the I don't know. Are you talking about things he saw before he died? I don't remember these images specifically.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

There's like weird 45 degree angle cinder blocks that just are like over a skylight that also doesn't exist in this apartment.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Well, it's a mocket of imagery. I like a lot of the tight camera angles in this.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

The the short composition of it is gorgeous. I feel like there's no way to because I'm so lost, I'm just gonna have to jump about. The movie should look beautiful, but for some reason, again back to the the the opening scene, you see him lying in rubble, and the rubble is CGI, even though it's a pile of rocks that they could have sourced from outside. So rather than whoever created this fucking film going, should we go get some dust and rocks from outside? He went, no, we're gonna send this over to the BFX team so they can put some rocks next to me on the floor. And I feel like the entire apartment block has this weird artificial sheen to it, but it seems like everything's been weirdly touched up, and it it's it's uncanny, but not in like the this is a horror movie scary way. It just looks fucking weird all the time.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Yeah, the lighting is a little odd, the maybe the exposure. Something about it, the presentation. It's supposed to feel sort of dreamlike, but it doesn't it doesn't draw you in with the imagery at all. Not not at all. I I liked um the ghost effects, the trails. They didn't look real, but they were interesting.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

Yeah, I like the the the use of colours cool because I like the the drab borderline black and white, how fucking grey sheeted everything in the movie is, aside from very small moments of colour. I I love when movies do that, but I feel like I was lied to at the beginning of this movie by having that weird flashy scene when he goes to hang himself being full of weird, vibrant, popping colours, and then on occasion you'll get a little bit of blood throughout the movie that's very bright red, and everything else is so fucking drab man, holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Yeah, it never breaks open.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Boring to look at.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

It reminded me of the apartment complex in Dred, which is much more gorgeously captured, which I know you haven't seen.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

I say I haven't seen, but surely Judge Dredd's big red helmet Judge Dread's big red helmet uh rocking about the place is at least at least something for your eyes to not just be fucking laser focused and try to look at this movie.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

Oh, there's so much. Do you know about the the effects in Dread?

SPEAKER_02 21:40

I do not know about the effects in Dread.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Do you want to not know about it? Do you want to just go into the movie?

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Oh, that'll be a movie I watch randomly at two in the morning one day. I won't I'm not holding a lot to that. Go go for it.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Oh, there's uh slow motion effects. Like really Really deep, detailed. There's a drug in the movie called slow-mo that people are doing, which puts them into, you know, like a hundredth of the uh speed of time that everyone else is going through, and they use that for action scenes. It's very gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

I can only imagine that feels like you ever had a really, really bad edible, and just everything's so painfully slow and it just won't hurry up.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Yes. It's like that, but with uh good audio and good colours.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

I don't know. I I've shouted us out in the Discord before, but you you like reading like short horror stories, don't you?

SPEAKER_03 22:44

I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

I really after this, I will send you a move a story that I'm sure must be based on a horrendous edible experience one person has had before called If you're armed at the Glenmont Metro, please shoot me. I feel like not a lot of people talk about it enough. And it's it's it's really cool because the way the psychological horror in it works, I'm like that's so effective and it could never be done in a movie. It only works via a book, and I feel like it's a very, very underrated. But I feel like if you read it whilst on an edible, it might be like the worst experience of your life.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Oh hell yeah, okay. I'm looking for that.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

You're gonna whip out your your bong after this and get reason. Yeah, that's Yep.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

But anyway, Chris, your your thoughts on the apartment block because I've been yapping. I've been yapping away.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Uh it is kind of bland. I don't have any real specific I have more thoughts on the people in it and the characters in it. I don't have a lot of thoughts on the apartment block. It was it felt a little soundstagey. Which was interesting. Just because it was very barren.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

You know, that happens quite a lot with like a lot of these Asian horror movies, but a lot of the sets will feel like they look like they should be real, but they feel fake.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

It's weird, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

I don't know if it's maybe just like from a Western perspective. Maybe things are slightly different than we are used to, and it throws us off.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

Maybe. Maybe it's also just lighting that we're not used to. Uh I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

It's not lit to give it depth. You know, it it's lit to illuminate, but in uh maybe in an American horror movie a hallway would be lit so that the background was a slightly dimmer tone than the foreground. There's not uh intricacies of the lighting choices, which is realistic and authentic, but then maybe winds up making it feel less like something you'd imagine to be in that story.

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Oh yes. I was gonna I was gonna play the little clap sound effect, but I feel like it could also be not only would me messing with the soundboard, it could also like be incredibly loud. If it also just doesn't pick up with our recording, it will be incredibly awkward just to have random pauses. I'm gonna leave it what is. But okay, cool.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

We'll have to test it at some point.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

See, watching this, did you go? This is Silent Hill.

SPEAKER_04 25:43

Not consciously, but that's definitely the feeling I got from it.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Cause okay, I think well you you already said Kenan Spoilers is supposed to be his his weird dying vision. The second he pulled that noose out and held it in the exact same way that James from Silent Hill 2 does in one of the endings, I went, Oh, this is just going to be Silent Hill, isn't it? And to an extent I was correct. And I don't want to say to me.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

What extent were you correct and that?

SPEAKER_02 26:20

The fact that this weird dreamscape place isn't supposed to be real, but there's people in the weird dream space that seemingly are real people, and there's a weird occult backstory thing going on that is also maybe the cause of the monsters and not just our character's trauma, but also our character being there is a result of their trauma and is supposed to in some way represent them dealing with it or ignoring it. I don't know, I feel like the person that watched this w likes Silent Hill and likes Blade and went, I think I can work those into a film together.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

To varying levels of success, I would say.

SPEAKER_04 27:15

But it's an interesting movie.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

But does it it's it's interesting and I feel like I should like this premise more than it does, but I felt like I was just so confused and at times pretty bored. That it's uh I found it hard to grasp on to anything. Chris, the the suicide what was what was he seeing? Because there was a lot of weird shit flashing, and I wasn't able to pick up on any of it because I was so taken aback by what was going on.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Oh, I don't remember what was flashing.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

It was seeing I remember he saw the weird the weird uh demon girls. And his I I the landlord, I think, was like, oh by the way, uh this place is haunted.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

Oh, he's in the room the the um Yeah the wheel saying in the room that the assault happened, and unfortunately we do have to disclaim that we're talking about a movie with uh an assault in uh again. So mild trigger warning.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Okay, so he Okay, I'm trying to make some sense in now. So he is in the room of the two, I think they're twins, or they just look very similar, who were still.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

I believe they're twins, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

With a guy, and I don't know if it if one was the husband, but one one was being abused, or maybe both were being abused, and then there's also another girl that looks a lot like them, but isn't them there was a third? No, there's vers the the girl that runs about the hotel that wears the same dress.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Oh sure, I didn't notice that she looked like them. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

But she's wearing the same dress, and this is what confused me, Chris. This is this is why I'm I'm lost. And then and then Chris, I think one of maybe the twins, maybe they were they were I think pregnant.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

But but Well then that's probably who they were pregnant with, is the lady who's running around the hotel. That's just gonna be my guess.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Yeah, but I think one of one of the twins was pregnant and the twins died, and they seemingly are the ghost girl. But it seems like they died before they had the child. But it seems like if this random woman, Chris, in this hotel is supposed to be one of them, probably the pregnant one, doesn't the sticky raceman say that that child is not her child and is a random child that he also just has?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

I don't think I think she's on I think she just is there also.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

So she's not connected.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 30:20

I'm reading through the plot right now, and I'll I'll let you know if I come to it, but as far as I'm aware.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Okay, so I get you're gonna you're gonna have to help me. See the little ghost boy that keeps popping a squat in corners. Is everyone you don't know about that guy?

SPEAKER_00 30:43

No, that's the that's one of the things I have no idea about.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

I okay, one point in the movie, Sticky Riceman, who we we've not even entered Sticky Riceman is the name that did the yeah, he's the best part of the movie. He did the kung fu slow motion jump to save this man killing himself.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

This is Yao.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Yao. I like Sticky Riceman more.

SPEAKER_04 31:12

That's true, you can call him Sticky Riceman.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

But he Oh my god, I'm already lost as to what I was talking about. He seems to know the ghosts. He he makes it a thing, he's like, Oh, I can see the ghosts. And I took in I took in this woman and this this little Jimmy Savile Cosplay child that she keeps. I don't know if he met them separately. But he he used he I don't know if maybe these twins He makes like a point that this woman and this little boy at one point he says like oh, they're a soul without a body, or they're a body without a soul, so they're like a kind of half person. So I don't know if they do maybe the little Jimmy Sabo boy is is the ghost is maybe that's like maybe his soul's the ghost boy and maybe maybe the girl's the soul of the two twins and maybe they're refined cover but I think she's supposed to be good, but then I think Okay you get flashbacks and then I think doesn't the evil that doesn't doesn't the woman with the the white gown end up being bad? But also we say for Chris. You're reading the plot and it answers.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Uh that was her husband who assaulted the twins.

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Oh, wait, so were those twins her children? Uh I I don't know, man. I'm I'm doing the best I can, alright?

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Because so far this has just been me in a state of utter perplexion. I was I was stone cold sober watching this movie. This was I watched this at like 9 p.m. in the dark in my room.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

He and her son used to live in that apartment. That's where all that was happening, and that's where they killed themselves. So they ran out of that apartment, and that's why they're homeless. And that's why it's vacant for him to move into.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

So the twins incident happened, and then those were two people that moved in afterwards.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

Yeah. And then when No, the twins incident happened in it was her husband.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Yang, the lady at Yang. Her husband assaulted the two women, and then they killed him. And I think one of the twins stabs herself through him twice, and that's why she dies.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

I thought she was like cursed or something. Are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 34:08

No, she has two stab wounds in her chest.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Is this when she's like crying and in her chest, like has a little red orb?

SPEAKER_04 34:19

This is when they're both die.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

Both of the twins.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

Yeah, they both die.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Um Yeah, she she stabs the dude a bunch. He drops, she has stab wounds, she drops, and then her sister hangs herself.

SPEAKER_04 34:38

It's uh cheery film you've chosen, Chris, wasn't it? Yeah. It's horror, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

Chris, take take the rains or James James.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Yeah, uh, so we're learning about vampires, basically. That's what's exciting about this movie. We're learning about vampires, about vampire hunters. They have this fun idea that vampire hunters used to exist, and now vampires have gone extinct or maybe gone into hiding, and vampire hunters don't have anything to do, so now they're taking up other hobbies and getting worse at vampire hunting. Getting old.

SPEAKER_02 35:24

He says that sticky rice warns warns off vampires. But now that there is no vampires, all the vampire hunters have become chefs. And the man makes it. Yeah, but I feel like surely if you're hunting vampires, the quality of your sticky rice probably doesn't impact the vampire.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Yeah, what kind of quality are you getting on a little stovetop you're getting out of your camping bag?

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Because this little dude, he just he carries the rice raw in his pocket.

SPEAKER_04 36:03

Which is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Yeah, which you'd think would come back, but it doesn't. He he he has it exclusively to pour over new residents' foods as they're trying to eat.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

Just to be a dick about, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Just to be I don't get that man's deal. Okay, because he he saves our boy and then okay, for some reason our our protagonist after not dying to suicide, but does die to suicide, but we'll uh we'll we'll talk about bottles and that. He goes downstairs to our little restaurant that's inside this apartment block, and the woman there talks to Sticky Riceman and says he was waiting for you. But he didn't order food, and it seems like he'd been there an hour apparently. Well, that's the table reading a menu. So I can only assume that he went, Oh, he stopped me killing myself, so I'm going to go assume that he's going to feed me.

SPEAKER_04 37:15

Wow. I would.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

It's time to guilt someone into giving you a meal.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

Do you notice in this scene that when our sticky rice man goes to make our protagonist food, but there is no food in that wok, and he's just violently wiggling a wok really fast?

SPEAKER_03 37:34

No, no, I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Because we we'll cut back to it, and he has also this man makes sticky rice for a living, but he feeds him. It's like beef string. I don't know what this man was eating. It was it was like meat slop.

SPEAKER_04 37:54

Stringy beef is good.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

It is, but it looked like didn't look like it was like it was it was like chunks of meat like fused together by some gelatinous string.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

It looked like Yeah, it seemed like everything was getting globed together by whatever was in that pan from not getting cleaned out.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

But see, from him violently shaking it.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

Until it became a paste.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

Yeah, everything just getting charred together.

SPEAKER_02 38:27

I feel like I'm I'm I'm yapping too much in this one, Chris. You've been told before you're to stop me doing this.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

It's hard for me to latch onto the plot of this movie. Because it it is just a bunch of stuff that happens.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

One more time.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

You like this movie? You like it more than either?

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Yeah. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Uh, but partially just because it's vibes, it's stuff happening. There's stuff I like in it. I don't know how I feel about the ending yet. I haven't had enough time to process it. You also just skimmed through it, so you're slightly fresher than I am. I watched it yesterday. And I'm also coming off of an early shift.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

I mean, we're both off work. So Yeah. Okay. What what happens after after Sticky Rice bed? Because he explains about the vampires. And I have an issue with his explanation, but we'll we'll come back to that later because I've I've I've been ranting too much now.

SPEAKER_04 39:36

Why do we think that the other guy kills a dude?

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Zachow, you know, he chucks chin down the staircase.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

Just to do it, just to see what's up with doing some black magic? Uh um.

SPEAKER_02 39:56

Okay, I'm I'm oh see, this is where I'm lost, because I thought the seamstress at the restaurant, it was her her husband fell down the stairs when he got jump scared by the Papa Squat Boy.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

He did, and he broke his neck, but then later it's revealed to us that that didn't kill him. He gets up with that nasty neck, and then he sees the other vampire hunter, and that guy throws him down the stairs, and the lady who's running around the building sees that happen.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

So the other guy's a vampire hunter, the man in the the the the robes.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Yeah, the the other vampire hunter who's getting sick through the whole movie.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Yeah, okay, quit. Why who's this man? Why do they just have this occultist in the building that does spells for people that seem to summon demons?

SPEAKER_03 41:03

They've got a couple, it seems like. I don't know. It's a weird building.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Well, no. Sticky raceman's like, yeah, I don't do the vampire hunting anymore. That's tired. This hell priest is offering resurrections for free, seemingly, and you don't have to do anything.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

Yeah, it's I don't really understand why he does it in the first place. Okay, yeah, so he's he's his plan.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

We take the dying man and we we splatter him like a pumpkin, and then we tell his wife that I will do the the resurrection for free. The resurrection is fucking cheap as cheapest chips, man. All you have to do is kill like ten crows, and then apparently that's uh put some coins on your face and dunk you in sand, wait a week, and then you're alive.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Which as far as those go.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

Yeah, I mean why is why isn't everyone just doing that then? If it's so simple.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

That's always what you should be asking.

SPEAKER_02 42:13

But and then Chris, what is where is what is this man's plan? What what else is what that what happens after the the spell? What's he doing?

SPEAKER_04 42:26

After the spell.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Well, she's feeding him crows, and she's going, that's not enough. This reminded me of Incantation, just because there's uh a scene where he tells her to wait for seven days and be patient about it.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

This hell priest man? See the the kind of uh eccentric priest from the whaling?

SPEAKER_04 42:53

Oh yeah. Yeah, the shaman. Um is this when the karate fight happens? Like completely out of the blue. Between who? Um okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:18

I is this not when our protagonist he goes back to his house and he gets jumped by the hell priest, and then yeah, and then he gets slapped about a bit, and then the two ghost girls go inside of him, and then sticky riceman seemingly comes to help and slaps our protagonist and also starts beating the shit out of him and and knock the ghosts out, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

It was a pretty wild scene, pretty fun scene.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Again, what's this plan, Chris? So he lures a man into his own house to attack him. So he's weak enough that these demon ghosts will go inside him. And then his plan is to smack the fuck out of this man with the ghost inside him.

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Which releases the ghost when hit hard enough. I don't know that there's any real logic behind it.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

I'm trying to think. I'm really trying to think about it. But how do these understand why you would do that?

SPEAKER_02 44:30

Live in this building with this 50-year-old man that jumps people from around corners to possess them for a bit to validate him jumping them and then leave.

SPEAKER_04 44:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

This is a nightmare situation. Your downstairs neighbor is a sticky rice chef that performs random karate moves.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

And he kidnaps those ghost girls after this, so maybe the whole thing was a setup to get Sticky Rice Man to help him capture those ghost girls.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

Well, I'm just gonna jump the new resident.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

No, I mean if that is the plan, it only makes sense because it's a movie and that's how it was gonna happen.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Also, I didn't realise to the end of this movie that the red thread coming off of these ghosts was blood.

SPEAKER_04 45:37

But it's also a rope. It's cool. I love the the visuals following.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Oh, because she almost fell! Oh, that's why it was also a rope. Because she died by hanging, so her blood was a rope. Oh okay, that's kind of cool. Okay, okay, I'll give it that one. I like the the death mask. The the the the fat phobic man that got splattered like a pumpkin wore. His weird coin mouth thing.

SPEAKER_04 46:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:12

Looks gnarly as hell. It's a shame that the second he starts doing anything, he immediately takes it off. Okay, do you want to?

SPEAKER_00 46:22

It is, because it also is a gnarly enough actual prosthetic that it would have been a good buildup.

SPEAKER_02 46:32

To leave this coin thing on. This man died and then he came back as the vampire zombie werewolf ghost. Was that a different actor? Because he doesn't look the same.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

He looks. I can see it either being a different actor or just being a lot of prosthetics, because there's a similarity, I think.

SPEAKER_04 47:02

Well, I've I've ranted and pondered the the the cohesion of our hell priest's plot.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

What's okay, r run us through the the seamstress's plan.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

Okay, so her husband dies. We're just starting there. Uh that happens accidentally.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

She pleads with this guy to help. And he It seems like he pretty quickly agrees to revive her husband. Says to leave him for seven days. She keeps asking him for better ways to fix it. She's just lonely, is what's going on with her. Because even when you know, when she's inspecting him, she's just saying things he would have said to her and sort of reminiscing about time they spent together. Uh and then she gets the hell priest to tell her that she can use virgin blood to make the process go faster.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

So she she kills the kid to get that. Why surely you could wait seven days? No, apparently not.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

And also, it's like she has other friends, and she knows this pr surely this man has done this before because she knows to talk to him to get him to do that. So at this point, isn't it just like a little staycation she has for a week?

SPEAKER_03 48:42

Yeah, pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

I do I do like throughout the movie her pleading with him where he's like, Don't get away from your significant other for a week.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

Who wouldn't love it?

SPEAKER_02 48:53

I like when Priesty's like, Don't you used the crow's blood, it's enough. Don't touch it. And then she comes up to him and like, oh, I think he's been moving, and he's like, So you touched him? And she's like, Yeah, but what if I kill a dog? And he's like, just don't stop touching him.

SPEAKER_04 49:14

And then she she murder the man. Oh, who does she murder? I'm not remembering.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

She she lures the man with the keys from the beginning. I think he says. Oh, she does.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Yeah, like the superintendent. I don't really know. It just seem it seemed like he caught on to her.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

He just caught her at a bad moment. But didn't she invite him in? Call the scene specifically.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

This movie is so it's like a reverie.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

It kind of flows in and out, and I don't remember the plot points too much. There's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Or do they happen in direct horror debut? And you don't get a lot of Cantonese horror movies.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

So fairly It feels like someone who directs music videos.

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Oh, you're so right, it does. There's definitely more of a here's some visual flair that is acceptable for three-minute segments.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

But I do like there's there's a little there's a little thing is anytime someone gets injured, I like that the first the camera lens a little bit. And it's very clearly just a camera lens. And it's it takes you out of it so much, but I was never in it to begin. So it was just kind of fun. There was during the karate fight, the man throws up blood on a screen and it covers the full screen.

SPEAKER_04 51:00

Or this director, he would have he would have loved the 3D era of cinema. I think he would have in a bad way. Yeah. It would have this would have been Silent Hill Revelations. If he had 3D.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

I'm trying to think what what would if if this replaced Silent Hill Revelations as the sequel to Silent Hill, would I be angrier or less angry? I think I'd probably be less angry at the risks we took. Because I can this This must be Silent Hill surely that he's that this is what he's doing.

SPEAKER_04 51:51

That it has to be.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

I I feel like he must have played Silent Hill too and went, I'll do that.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

It's close, especially the the way that the aesthetic is sort of washed out.

SPEAKER_04 52:06

I mean there's a like the opening to what he'll do is in apartments.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

The only thing we don't get is maybe it's we skip we didn't Chris the main character. Okay, the main character.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

His trauma is a failed actor we never mentioned.

SPEAKER_02 52:26

Well, I don't think he's a failed actor because he's got like all the shit. And his wife and child.

SPEAKER_04 52:36

How do his wife and child die? They don't.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

They don't?

SPEAKER_04 52:43

He left them. He's a he's a deadbeat father.

SPEAKER_00 52:46

He has a a voice message from his son when his son was like eight saying, You sh where'd you go? You should come back, I miss you. And then when he's dead at the end of the movie, they call in his son, who's now like twenty twenty-five, to confirm that he's dead.

SPEAKER_03 53:06

So he's been out of their life for a decade or so.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

So what's so the the I think a tattoo of the art his son put on him is that just like his his memory of that day, and it's not an actual marking he's ever had. I guess he seems to love his kid, and it seems like at one point he was a successful actor. So what laid why why is why is he here? Why is he in this weird fuck-off apartment building?

SPEAKER_00 53:46

I don't think that's something that we can really interrogate. We we could make a billion theories about it. I think just he You know, maybe I don't know, maybe he cheated on his wife or something. You know, something happened that fucked up his relationship in a way that Or he just left in a way that he wasn't there for his son either. And clearly either pissed his money away, lost it in a divorce, decided not to use it, uh, couldn't access offshore accounts, I don't know. You know, for whatever reason he's living on the skids, and this is where he's wound up.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

So what's the vision of his his son and wife covered in blood? I think just his emotions over it.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Just this movie's making me angrier the more I think about it. Okay, we we'll get we we we've talked about all the the dumb pointless nonsense. So we should should we just we get fun meaningless nonsense after the Jimmy Sabo Coster child gets gets eaten. There's a good fun 25 minutes of this movie.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

It's just like fun effects and chases and fights.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Um so what so the dead husband he's was then eating the child because he wasn't fed the child, so he was up and about at some point. Oh the oh oh oh the child gets locked in the room with it. Yeah, but he's standing. So what I think happened is she fed she killed the man she led into her apartment and forfed him the weird blood drool stuff that the man did from the crows, but with that adult human, and that fucked up the spell, which is why he's up and about and doing weird shit and eating children.

SPEAKER_04 56:14

That makes sense. Interesting. And then uh we have Yang, the mother, looking for her son.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

She Oh, she uh like gets the the ghosts out of wherever that they're captured, and then finds her son who's dead. It's a pretty sad scene. She thinks she sees him down the hallway, and as she gets closer, she sees that he's an apparition. Uh, and she finds the vampire and does not kill it, as you would imagine.

SPEAKER_04 57:01

But it's a fun quick sequence. Yeah. Okay, but is he a vampire? Because he's got like to be a vampire, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:15

But he's got like little werewolf hands. And I mean he dies, doesn't he, when he gets hit by the Molotov for a bit.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

Yeah, but fire's kind of a vampire thing, right?

SPEAKER_04 57:31

Is it? I think I think so. Cause the sun. I assumed that was like the UV race.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Uh I'm not sure. I uh mostly assumed it was a vampire because there's vampire hunters in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 57:50

Yeah, that's what that's what you would assume, yes. But what we get told in the movie is that vampires don't like sticky rice and garlic oil.

SPEAKER_04 58:04

I think we can assume a steak because I think we see him sharpening a steak at some point in the film.

SPEAKER_00 58:13

So we we've seen the the monster eating garlic and sticky rice.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

No, but he he mentions earlier in the film he's like the reason we have sticky rice is that the vampires don't like it.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

If that doesn't come back, so you would Oh, you think they would have used it? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:33

And then he also says, Oh, I've laced garlic oil down the hallways. At one point, he says something about using garlic oil. But for again, it doesn't come back. Why is he just stinking out of this apartment building with his fucking garlic oil?

SPEAKER_00 58:52

Yeah, he just likes garlic. So he can smoke in his apartment and no one can know about it.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

You ever tried to get the smell of fucking garlic out of something?

SPEAKER_00 59:03

I thankfully have not. No, that sounds bad.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Well, there was there was a a terrible, terrible mistake once made where I was I was in it was summertime, and there was a swing that was squeaking every time someone used it, and it was a it was a a joint on it that wouldn't stop squeaking, and I went, Oh, we don't have oil oil, but we have cooking oil, but I assumed it was sunflower oil, and it was not, it was this spray garlic butter oil, and when I tell you that swing stank for about six months straight, no matter what you did.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 59:51

And the smell of this one spray, I can't imagine how fucking rancid this apartment complex stinks with this man laying his useless garlic oil traps.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

Maybe it hurt its toesies.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

Chris, what's the trap? Walk me through, I don't understand the trap either.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:14

The trap of the garlic oil?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:18

No, he he leaves he lays a trap for the big motherman. And I don't what's what's how does how does it work? What's what's going on in this end scene?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

Oh bro, I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:33

Don't remember you just said you like the ending, Chris.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

Yeah, like I like the the the like Wizard of Oz ending of it and uh fighting. I like that he gets the the main character gets speared through the chest.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

But okay, but the main character's there because he's helping do you not remember Sticky Raceman's aura farming moment where he's like, I will lay this trap you have until I finish my cigarette. And it keeps parenting worried.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

Oh, yeah, he's twisting like a Hellraiser box thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:15

Yeah, because he's got it on his wall.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

He just keeps laying.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:20

It seemed like whatever he was doing was giving Chin enough strength to fight.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

Uh it's called the Zhangxi. Uh the Zhangxi, like hand to hand. It seemed like it was giving him supernatural strength, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

See, I thought the way it it worked, for some reason, I thought it was like, you know, in The Witcher 3, where you lay the circle down so you can fight ghosts.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:57

I guess so. Is that a yes or a no? I don't know, man. I it's not very clear.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:03

Cause like he he puts it down and he's like, there's something about a circle, but I think that's a weird translation because there's a hole that opens in the wall with roots and when he sticks his fingers in this lament configuration that he has, but I think sensed the vampire because it moved when the vampire started doing things. But he's he's he's twisting it, and there's like tree roots forming that are holding down the vampire.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:45

Do you remember the main character? He's slapping him about, and Sticky Rice Man is going, Can you fucking kill him? We're running out of time. The time that I chose that is my cigarette, but I'm still smoking down.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:01

I don't know that he chose it. As much as it was just the rule. Yeah. God ordains.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:17

I guess so stop so just like lightly puff it. I don't understand what what his deal is.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:26

Because he drops it at some point too. So you gotta assume it takes slightly longer than it should have.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:33

Do you think he bought like Super King side cigarettes to make his plans more effective?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:39

Yeah, he should have. He should have taped them together, ripped the filter off three, and then stapled them together back to back.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:47

I tell you what, I guarantee, this motherfucker, he went out with his trap and went, this place reeks because of this fuck-ass garlic oil I put everywhere. So I'm gonna quickly smoke a cigarette to cover the smell, and if he's not done by that time, I'm leaving him. Because once the trap runs out, where does he go? Why is he on the floor at the end? Was he fighting at any point?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:13

It does feel like some was cut out of this movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:20

There are moments and it that might not be true at all, but it might just be reinforcing the dream-like state, you know, without by not providing us with connective tissue. But it does feel like there's moments in between that we're missing. Which that's how a dream works. You know, you're thinking about being someplace and then you wind up there and you don't really know how you got there.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:50

I mean, I feel like it'd be plausible that in a dream I would dream that I'm fighting a vampire, but this man that has sprayed garlic butter through my entire close has said he's only willing to help until he finishes his cigarette. So I have to defeat the vampire in time. That does seem like dream logic, but it also just seems like surely there must be like a translation of this movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:20

Cause I feel like it can't be this incoherent. I feel like it is just by design a little.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:30

But you but surely can't you be by you can't just make a nonsense. This isn't Stephen Lynch.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

This is this is I haven't seen you've seen Jacob's Ladder, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

Yeah, I've seen Jacob Ladder.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

That's what I assume this is sort of closest to.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:50

Uh to be well, I mean Jacob's Ladder uh influenced Silent Hill. So I suppose in a roundabout way it's all interconnected.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Interesting. Okay.

unknown 1:06:03

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:03

You should why why haven't you seen Jacob's ladder?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:06

I haven't climbed the ladder. We need more of these weird, trippy um dreamlike horror.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Have you seen The Cell with uh Jennifer Lopez?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

You just watched that recently, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:22

I did. That has a very Silent Hill Jacob's ladder feel also. And the the Turkish one you you like? What's it called? The one where they're in hell. In the weird hospital.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:38

Oh, I haven't seen is Baskin what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:42

Baskin, yes, Baskin.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:44

I haven't seen that either. I want to see that though.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:46

You're missing out on these weird, creepy, like borderline fetish monster movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:52

Sounds like Baskin seems really cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

Baskin is very cool. Um there's uh uh a man in it who's very campy and I like him quite a lot. But he's also very pervy and it makes you a little uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:11

Oh impact.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:15

Yeah, there's there's some freaky shit in Baskin if you ever get around to it. But Baskin's Baskin's got I like that this whole This is what I mean. I feel like I I want to love this movie. But I just don't know what I'm supposed to be taking from it at any point. Don't leave your wife and kids and then hang yourself. Because it feels like the movie was saying suicide, boo, you're bad. He gets he gets slated for it, and they were like, uh I don't like you now, you try to kill yourself. And then he doesn't really get his I suppose he gets a hero moment. But when did how did the vampire die? Because the trap ended and then they turned to water and kind of wiggled about on the floor and then felt did did was he staked?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

Well they like the last scene, they're all in a sort of penthouse, uh sticky rice guy has one arm and he has the end of a rope that's connected to the other two fighting, the Chin and the vampire, and he just jumps off the balcony with the rope to drag them both off with him.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:40

Is that what happened?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

Yeah, and then the sunlight in the courtyard killed the vampire.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:48

Oh wait, so why were we wiggly? Why was like the floor was wiggly at one point, yeah?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:56

The floor was wiggly.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:59

Yeah, like after the tra I'm sure the vampire grabbed grabbed our main character, and then there was no floor.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:08

Yeah, I took that to be part of the part of the trap. The floor turned to mud when he slammed him on the floor, but like it saved his life. He would have died if that didn't happen. And then he sort of gets submerged and he gets a chance to come back. That's when his hand shoots up out of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:31

You said you had you had notes on the characters. I need to ask.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:36

I said I have no notes. I told you at some point I have no notes. No, I have thoughts on the characters.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:43

Mental thoughts. You have thoughts on the characters. I mean, aside from we have Could you tell I have no notes on this movie? I couldn't Chris, I don't even bother with notes because I was like, what am I supposed to not?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

I would just have written the plot down again and then not read any of my notes.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:04

But see, the thing is, I would have tried to write the plot and I would have had no idea what I was what I can you tell I've been bewildered.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

Yeah, I can hear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

I mean, there's there's just points that you can note down. Like there's a mother and son, the son died, the mother died. You know, there's point A to point B journeys in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

The one thing there is a good 10-15-minute stretch of this movie that I do really, really, really like, and it's when our main character is talking with Sticky Riceman in his house, and he's learning the backstory of Sticky Riceman, and they're having this weird, like, confrontational conversation, but like they're it they're both there's like a layer of tension to their conversation as they're speaking to each other because Sticky Riceman doesn't like our main character because he tried to kill himself, but also he's talking about how he doesn't really see death as a big thing and he likes being at the hotel with the ghosts because he's friends with them. Which is what made me think the the girl in the dress and the kid were ghosts because he took him in. What ghost is he talking about that he's friends with?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:32

It must be that other little boy. Okay. So what was what else?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:43

I think was there other ghosts that were missing?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:48

There's the twins, there's that little boy who's just around. No, I think that's it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:57

But uh I like I like his his backstory. I find him to be the most compelling part of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:08

Yeah, absolutely. And the actor's great too.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:11

I love his little glasses that he's had since he was like six years old, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:16

He he's got some Dave Bautista glasses on.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

Oh they are Dave Bautista glasses! You're so right, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:26

They look great.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:31

But uh fucking I I like that he just keeps his vampire killing paraphernalia. But Chris, his his whole backstory about his dad and his vampire ways.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:46

Are you are you can you see what's wrong with with his story that he says? No, I guess not.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:59

He says that they all died out, so we vanished. Well, especially. No, he says like two things. He says everyone died. I'm the only one left, but then he also says I'm not hunting vampires because there's none left.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:15

Yeah, but okay, that's that's a small plot hole in itself. I'll I'm gonna give you the broad strokes of what what he said to our main character, and you know, tell me where you think the logical inconsistency in this story is. Okay, he says his father took him to this apartment building because he was a vampire hunter and they moved around a lot killing vampires, okay?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:51

The reason he stays at the hotel now is because he's a retired vampire hunter who never left that building.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:04

Right, so they moved around a lot until they got there.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:08

Until his dad seemingly died there. Who he was like five. So apparently he's also been a vampire hunter. But he's also never left the building now.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:24

But also he's just calling himself that I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:27

But also there is no vampires.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:33

You think he's just reading books that his dad left him?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:37

It must be, because where the fuck else is he putting like pasta oil in his hallways and not doing anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:46

I did look up in the plot description it says that the the monster falls into a pallet of rice and gets stunned.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

So maybe it is a vampire. It got stunned by the rice.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:09

So was that not rocks in the beginning? Was that CGI Big Grey Rice?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:17

Oh, maybe. Big Grey Rice.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:25

You say Big Grey Rice, I thought there was gonna be a punchline to Big Grey Rice.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

No, I'm really trying to keep the energy up. I don't know what there is to talk about with this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:36

See the thing, I feel like see when see when I watch a movie that I don't like, I feel like I get a lot more up in arms about it, and I feel like you get a lot more deflated about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:47

Yeah. Yeah, I guess so.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:49

I'm like you say you like the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:51

I do enjoy the vibes of it. I haven't decided how I want to rate it yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:57

Well, I noticed because I I had to have a peek because I was adding my my two-star review to be like, what the fuck did crust rate us? Because I knew it would either be like a one or like a four.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:10

I was gonna go with three, but that feels too high. Maybe too little.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:18

I gave it a two, and the only other person that I follow that has seen it also gave it a two. But like the the the I was looking at reviews of it, and people were like, okay, it's a bad movie, and I'm giving it a bad score. But then it's averages at like three, and I don't know how that happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:39

Yeah, people, I mean, like I heard about it somewhere, someone recommended this at some point.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:46

I feel like you can never trust horror movie reviews, not reviews, um recommendations. Because anytime like I'm looking at oh, what would like what could you and me watch next? I get lists filled with the worst shit you'll ever see in your life. People will genuinely go to like a streaming service, click horror, and just pick random shit. If you go on YouTube and you look up like horror recommendations per streaming service or horror hidden gems, you're gonna get a list of two out of fives on letterbox.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:22

Rough. Rough.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:30

Well, where's where's where's your little boy today?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:33

Oh, he he's he's around. He's uh where's he's napping, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:39

He's been having a good walk. Because it's warm here finally. It has not been for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:45

See, you know, it's a dire movie when Wally's not even trying to give his input. Yeah.

unknown 1:17:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

His dog brain just couldn't comprehend.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:55

I I liked watching it, but I also didn't. I just wasn't concerned really with what was happening in it that much. It didn't interest me uh just as much as it didn't make sense. The vampire stuff, that guy was great, and then the monsters look great. Yeah, exactly. There was enough in it that just watching it was pretty pleasant. But that also, especially with the subtitled movie, gets into a bad cycle of you'll stop paying attention, not even because you intend to, but just because you are straying in your thoughts, and then you stop paying attention a second too long and you miss plot.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

I've been having that a lot recently with films that I'll be watching a movie, but I'll be like, I can't turn off the critical part of my brain when I watch a movie, so I'll be thinking about like the way the shot is, or the way the dialogue is or the way it's edited strange, and then I start to just miss parts of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:05

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:07

And the thing is, it was weird because I remember being a kid and watching Jeremy Jones back in the day talk about how he he struggles to watch movies in a cinema now because he can't turn off the critical part of his brain, and I was like, What do you just watch the movie? I don't understand why you can't think about it later. But now that I've got fucking letterboxed and all I can think about is what's the rating of this movie then I can't get it it doesn't leave. I can't watch a movie and not think about it critically, which in some ways is a good thing. But I just can't turn my brain off and go, that was cool anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:44

Yeah, it would be nice to be able to swap it a bit more easily. I wish I movies very rarely where I can get into that mode for usually a big monster movie or unfortunately Tron recently.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:00

Unfortunately, you just love Jared Little. Anything Jared Leto, you can you can enjoy.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:06

Shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:08

Nobody loves Jared Leto.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:11

I mean, I think his cult probably love Jared Leto.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

Yeah, I think he's also very litigious, so let's actually allegedly let's be very careful.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:22

I would fear Jared Leto. Have you seen him? He's a twink. He just has a big beard to see.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:30

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:35

You need to wonder what his what magic his manager pulls to get him into so many movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:43

And it seems like weird, right? He was in the the pocket for Tron for like a decade. His producer or manager got him onto that project close to when Tron Legacy happened, and he's just been. It's like Mark Wahlberg and the Uncharted movie, where he was only in that because he was supposed to play Nathan Drake when they were first making it.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:07

Oh. Okay, I don't like Tom Holland as Nathan Drake, but Mark Wahlberg as Nathan Drake is so much worse.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:15

It would have been bad, but also just how bad is he as Sully. Imagine Bruce Campbell as Sully.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:23

No, I've I feel like you couldn't detach um Bruce Campbell.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:30

You've never seen Burn Notice?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:32

I've never seen Burn Notice.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:34

Oh, he basically plays Sully in that. He plays a retired Navy SEAL who drinks mojitos and flirts with women at bars, and he's the best friend of a spy who's doing missions.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:47

Like a fired spy.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:50

See, but I feel like now that you say that, I feel like the the video game Sully voice and Bruce Campbell's actual voice are actually quite similar.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:00

They are. He would be a good Sully.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:04

I don't think he looks old enough though.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:07

Interesting. I do also like Stephen Lang was gunning for it, I think. That would be. I don't think he fits it as much for me, but I would also not mind that. He's too Maybe Stephen Lang was Sully in the Nathan Phillian short film.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:24

I feel Stephen Lang could make a if you did Uncharted, but Nathan was an old ass man getting pulled back into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:36

Okay, yeah. He's the the Dark Knight Returns Sully.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:42

Yo, he would be incredible as Bruce Wayne in the Dark Knight Returns.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:46

Oh, he would, yeah. Oh jeez.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:50

He's he's so he's such a big guy and he's so intimidating, and he has that like dead-eyed stare that you need for Batman.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:58

He does. He's underutilized.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:04

It's a big scary. Anything you film in a movement, he's he's intimidating. But that's the thing, you can't have Sully's intimidating. He needs to be like he needs to be like a silver fox that you would trust to look after like your children if you needed to go in an emergency.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:22

Yeah, like a big softy, ultimately.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:26

Yeah, big softy, but would also pull out a 9mm and shoot you.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:31

Yes. You have seen that short film, right? The Nathan Phillian Uncharted one?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:39

Yeah, I saw that. It's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:42

It's alright. It's a fun couple excuse me. Oh lord. It's a fun couple minutes. What's going on? We're gonna hold on.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:53

It's a fun couple minutes. Are you are you are you okay? I think so. Emotionally?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:07

I don't know, I was reckoning maybe some kind of new closet started spraying garlic oil.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:13

I was just drinking some garlic oil. Maybe that was Jonah. Do we think is there anything that we're missing?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:24

Well I suppose we have the ending.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:27

We could also spitball Sully. Josh Brolin.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:33

Josh Brolin, I don't think is chubby enough. I think we need a bit of a dad bod. The thing is, all the old men in Hollywood are always built. There's never like kind of small, pudgy, fat guys that are old. Catch me on this.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:52

Many actors late career glow up. People like Bob Odenkirk, right, doing action movies later in their career.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:00

Who should have a big gym comeback? Like J.K. Simmons. Who should have a big gym comeback for the role of Sully but David Cross?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:13

Do you know who I think if if they gained a little weight and gave him the proper mustache and hair could actually pull it off? Who? George Clooney.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:24

Oh yeah, he's a good choice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:27

But I just think dress him in baggy clothes. He doesn't even have to like gain weight. Give him a sort of an unkempt short beard.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:37

Jeffy, who who's big that has this like middle-aged man energy? I feel like all of the middle-aged men are still in Hollywood. I feel like you still have George Clooney being in films, and you still have Ryan Gosling's middle-aged, and he's in films. Matt David.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:55

A little bit of a curveball. Stellan Skarsgard. Yes. Yes. No?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:07

The accent doesn't work, but he has the perfect energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:12

I don't know. I've seen his penis in movies too many times. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:15

That's the only thing I was thinking about is he's Sully's not sexual. He it's implied that he has that energy, but he does not reveal it to anybody. He doesn't choose to.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:27

What do you mean he's not sexual? He's like the horniest guy in that franchise.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:31

He's not like uh Stellan Skarsgard, all of the Skarsgards are just like they have this sexual energy, whereas he's more He's just a bachelor. He's just like a guy enjoying himself, I guess. He's not uh He's not trying to present himself to the world. Chris, do you realize that we There's no exhibitionism to it? That's what I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:00

It was Stalin Skarsgard who was in the Lars Von Trier movie, wasn't it? Breaking the Waves with Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:10

I don't know. I don't think I've seen any Von Trier movies besides The House That Jack built.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:17

Uh well, I'm sure it is, and if you want a hell of a lot of uh Skarsgard penis, the movie for you.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:28

Great, okay. What about Delroy Lindo?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:35

See, I know that's a real name, but it sounds fake. Who is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:39

He was in have you seen Sinners?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:41

Yes, I've seen Sinners.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:43

He was the old guy in Sinners.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:45

Oh see if I feel bad for it, but he does have a a Star Wars ass name, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:52

Yeah, he really does, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:56

What'd you say his name was again?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:58

Delroy Lindo. It is straight up a Star Wars ass name.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:06

He's from Bespin or something, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:10

He's also in The Core, which I really like.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:14

It's a bad movie, but I like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

Chris, we we Sully Talk Over.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:21

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:23

Ending of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:24

Sully talk. Alright. Talk about the movie. He did die. He killed himself at the start. There was no weird, miraculous ghost intervention.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:37

Yeah, so you the movie was pointless and you have wasted your time.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:43

Kinda. That's how I usually feel with an ending like this. And why I'm still processing is because I didn't I wasn't glued to the narrative or the journey of any specific character. So when that happened, I just like I enjoyed the visuals and kind of learning about the vampire hunters. And the only thing I'm disappointed about is that the vampire hunters aren't real, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:09

Yeah, that's what it's like so sticky raceman. The the the good part of the movie just isn't he's just not a real person.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:17

And like that lore doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:19

That's the only disappointing You see him trying to lift him out of the noose, but I guess he just is a man with some strange glasses.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:28

It's also weird to me that the lady's husband is still dead at by the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:37

Why he's he died once, got thrown off a building again, and then died as a vibe. He died so many times that even resetting the story, his ass was still in the groove.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:50

He's yeah, he's perma dead. It's that uh that sound that Windows makes when you hit a key, but it's not it's locked into a screen or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:02

Like it's not even a good twist. Because you because the movie starts with someone attempting suicide, and then weird shit happens, you go, oh, they killed themselves.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:16

Yeah, it's easily the least interesting version of that. The something that would be way better would be even if they just say, Oh, because you almost died, you got so close to the verge of death, you're now in between worlds. You know, like it's hokey as hell, but it it's just it's something narratively, there's something more creative about it. It's not a this feels like a cop-out.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:42

Yeah, because that's a quick reweight. The already did the sixth sense by going, oh, this guy can see ghosts that other people can't see. And he's like, Oh, there's ghosts everywhere, you can't leave ghosts. Just have it as oh, he is a ghost, and the reason that the people in the restaurant are shunning him, or not because they're like, Oh, that's the guy that attempted suicide earlier, and we all just kind of laughed at him, is oh, we can't see that man because he's fucking a ghost. Yeah, and it would make sense like all these little half-ghost people running about the place because he has one.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:20

Yeah, it just would have any cohesion.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:24

And I mean, that is I guess that's the explanation at the end of the day, but it's way less interesting when it's just all imagined and none of it means anything, really.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:37

It's just a pointless, pointless film.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:41

These characters don't represent anything, unless you want to just say the you know, the vampire hunters represent good and evil, which I don't think even really tracks because they don't. The one who's evil is like nice and tries to be good sometimes and then just does bad stuff randomly.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:05

Yeah, and then the the ghosts. The two ghost women are just an abused woman that killed her abuser and one that was so distraught she hung herself.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:16

Yeah, they just represent pain and trauma. There's no story or message there. It's just something horrible. And it's something that horrible is I don't want to say messed up to represent with no purpose whatsoever, but it's it's pointless and just kind of inane imagery to present when you don't know what you're doing it for. It's not about these ghosts, you know, regaining power over their existence or something. There's no thematic resonance to it. Uh I'm not saying that it this sort of plot point should be used. An assault plot should be used to create thematic resonance, but if somebody's gonna put it in what they're doing, it should have a purpose. But okay, assault stuff, I say not the people to talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:23

I feel like the the you can do um depressed suicidal person might be dead and sees weird monster stuff and ultimately ends up killing himself. Because that is one of the secret endings of Silent Hill 2, and it works because the whole point in the journey isn't is he going to fucking kill himself? It's the reason he's seeing these manifestations is because they relate to his character on a deeper level, and you can pick apart what certain things symbolize what things, and you can do someone is dying or suicidal and going to kill themselves, and there's not a point to it other than just experiencing the last moments with this person, like you get in I'm thinking of ending things. But the movie is just it's you get three minutes of this man wants to kill himself, and then it's just bullshit, it's just random nonsense for an hour and a half, and it's like, oh yeah, by the way, he killed himself.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:31

Yeah, pretty much. I'm sure I'm not gonna disagree with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:39

Surely someone must have read the script and went, okay, but what's the point?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:45

That definitely never happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:47

And I things in it feel I don't know, you know, like the um the story of the ghosts gives them more of a placement in the story. It makes them feel more real, but none of it ever feels like it really clicks into place. Have you ever watched Thirteen Ghosts?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:15

Oh uh the original or the Matthew Lillard?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:19

The Matthew Lillard one.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:21

I have, but I watched it as a child, so my only memories is the naked ghost gough and the man getting split in half, and that's about Okay. Well that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:33

Matthew Lillard's a bit of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:36

That's one apparently there's a a lot of backstory for those ghosts, so it's on special features.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:44

Yeah, I saw that did it not like map out like the the deaths and the way like the ghosts present themselves as like emblematic of the lives they lived and then if he died and then who they ended up there.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:59

Exactly that, yeah. So like you could perceive their story through the way they're they are presented in the movie, effectively. And it became you know, it it gives them character, even if it's not presented in the movie, they still have that versilitude to them. Which they they do a bit with these ghost twins, but it's not you know, it it's enough maybe from the the actors in the scenes you get. Because it's a lot of intense emotions that they're presenting, but nothing ever pulls you through or makes you feel anything for them specifically beyond pity, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:46

Okay, but say take 13 I was gonna almost gonna say 13 reasons why, which I feel there's a joke. But 13 ghosts, the plot of the movie isn't the ghosts, though. It isn't just look at the spooky ship. The plot of the movie is there's this weird eccentric millionaire with this weird puzzle house and the ghost cool house. The plot is to try to get through this house. I think there's a prize or something at the end.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:16

I think so. I think the prize is the house.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:21

Why would you want that house?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:22

Spoilers? I don't even know. That's a very Willy Wonka. Maybe I'm just thinking of Willy Wonka.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:29

Maybe you're thinking about Willy Wonka.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:31

Yeah. Oh man. I'm always thinking about Willy Wonka. Think about bathing in that chocolate river.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:39

Yeah, surely none of none of the the next batch of chocolate is um legally sellable after Augustus Glup uh swam.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:50

You gotta shut that thing down, drain it, clean it, and then refill it.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:55

And just go back to the rainforest to get the cocoa beans back. It'd be like a whole process.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:02

Yeah, that little fucking asshole. Hope it was worth it. Probably was.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:09

Yeah. Well, I think it depends what the because if that's just because it's straight from the cocoa beans, is it not? So that was. Yeah, that's probably like deadly.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:23

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:27

Yeah, just chalky and the plot of 30 Reasons Why is the house and the ghost are the obstacle. You said it again.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:36

You said it again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:39

I said it again. You know what I mean? That's flavor text with the ghost. That just adds to the plot that is happening. This movie's plot is that there is some ghosts.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:54

Yeah, it's that a guy. It's a great log line. Uh, you know, a retired actor moves into a tenement complex to commit suicide and then discovers that it's haunted. You know, it sounds interesting and it presents well, but there's nothing going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:21

But like the the guy that sold him the place, seemingly. It's like, oh yeah, spooky shit happened in this room because people were like raped and then murdered and then commit suicide, so there's a lot of bad juju emanating from this room. But you'd think if he believes in the paranormal, to a point where he'd be like, Yeah, there's probably ghosts in this fucking hell. Why why isn't he going, Oh, by the way, there's also a hell priest and a vampire hunter next door, and there's other ghosts of the neighbours.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:56

Yeah, they do incantations weekly.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:59

I was about to say, and the seamstress downstairs, watch her because apparently she used to also perform black magic and then stopped it at some point.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:09

Uh I don't know, man. It just doesn't make a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:18

Because it's casual, these people are living with it as like a like an everyday thing. And no one seems shocked at the ghost. Even our main character, he sees one and then he goes to his neighbors and was like, Have you seen that shit? And they go, Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:36

Like it's uh like it's a bug he found.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:39

He's always in the fucking corners just squatting.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:44

What is up with that guy? I don't know what's up with that ghost.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:48

The the reason that ghost is there is the director watched Juan and went, Well, we've took the ghost girl, so we kind of also have to take the little ghost boy. But he doesn't even yell in this.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:03

Something like The Ring is a good example, though, of when the movie is about the ghosts, because there are horror movies that are just about I'm being haunted. Those movies are typically about I don't know why this is happening, I need to figure it out. In this movie, everything is presented to us on its face, and then we just watch it happen. There's no When you lose the mystery, you lose a little bit of suspense because there's no ticking clock. You know, you it at this point it's more about this monster that's being unleashed, but it's also not. You don't have any sense of the abilities of the vampire hunter and the hell priest, and how things can go. It seems like it could go either way very easily by the end.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:04

Okay, but yeah, that's what I get. Okay, if we're going with the ring, there's two rings. If we go the American one, the plot isn't Samara's doing spooky stuff. It's not Saiko and the the the Japanese one, isn't it? Or am I getting that confused with Joan?

SPEAKER_04 1:42:21

I do not know.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:23

But Okay, the ghost girl isn't the plot. The plot is I have a timer, there's a set time that I have a mystery, I have to figure out what happened to the skirl so I can avoid ending up dead. You have a countdown, and then you have a mystery, and that is the plot, and then spooky stuff happens around it because it's a genre film, and then you have the Japanese version, which is the same, but it also has the subtext of being um the void decade Japan going into the technological era and being horrified at the possibility of technology going through it. So both of those have a a plot thread that is going with spooky shit interlaced. This has the end of a thread at the beginning, and then it shows you the beginning of a thread, and it's like, okay, and then here's some stuff. There's no progression, no one's learning anything, no one's adapting to anything, it's just this is what's happening, and then this is happening, and then this is happening, and then that happened.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:33

Yeah, the the wife never realizes she shouldn't have raised her husband from the dead.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:41

No, she just fucking killed herself.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:45

After slaughtering the main character for failing to kill himself.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:51

You would think that if that's the objective, if all of these are figments of his imagination, then it would be about each of those pieces making peace with whatever they're doing.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:03

Or like whatever he did that caused his life to lead to him there, those are different things that are maybe there's like uh sexy neighbor girl and it's because he cheated, and maybe there's uh a guy that lost all his money gambling because our way character was frivolous with his money and that caused financial issues with his family. But not none of that. And you could even do that with the fucking coins in the mouth. Because there's there's an asshole that is a ghost that has coins over his mouth.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:40

And maybe I mean you could have this would be hokey as well, but have the monster have his son's face. Something emotionally resonant to the character, you know, representing his struggle as uh an abandoned and failed father. He doesn't have much character. They give him details, but he doesn't live besides looking sad when he thinks about his son. You know, he doesn't feel like he has that history that they're saying he has.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:22

And the fucked up thing is that there's two little ghost boys that we could have done that with. There's two of them. And one I don't think he ever sees, and one is in his house one time and he goes, Who the fuck are you? And then he leaves.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:38

Yeah, that might as well have been his son as a child as a kid. And then, you know, when his son shows up as an adult later, you infer that he grew up, and that was him seeing the version of his son that he left behind that he killed.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:56

I had I had I was gonna say another way it could work, but we're sisters. What a clusterfuck of a movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:05

And it is never got a see this is a film that if there was like a nice blu-ray of, I would like to see the behind the scenes to be able to see what the director thought things were conveying, or what was the point in a lot of stuff for why things were shot. Because there's a lot of it seems like it's very intentional.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:27

This movie reminds me the most of Dark Floors. What the fuck is Dark Floors?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:36

It's a horror movie set it's a was it Finnish? Finnish horror movie set in a hospital uh featuring a band called Lordy as the monsters in it okay. And it's people trapped in a hospital, and it has weirdly similar vibes to this. I guess it has that Silent Hill vibe a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:03

But from your description it seems self-aware that it's silly because it's a band.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:12

It's I I remember taking itself pretty seriously. So I'll suggest it at some point. I want to try it again. Is it like if Gwar were horror villains? Yeah. That sounds fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's effectively what it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:36

We should have talked about that instead.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:40

Well we'll do it. Maybe we'll do it next month. I'll suggest it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:43

See the thing is I feel like I look at I think we've been here for like just under two hours, and I feel like we've talked about nothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:53

We really have. There's just not. I've had the plot in front of me, and I read through it, and it's just people meet each other, someone dies, someone does a ritual. Like stuff happens, but there's no There's no themes to talk about, really.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:15

Oh do you know what the fucked up thing was? You were mentioning Ring. Ring also has a seven-day timer. But in this, she fucks up the timer before it and you don't have any sense of what day is which because it's fucking grey all the time. Was it?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:31

Yeah, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:32

You know she fucked it up, but you don't know how bad or yeah, I don't know if if this was day one, if this was day two. We never see anyone sleep. It's so grey you don't know if the sun's out or not. You said the sun maybe killed a vampire. I don't know, the sky's fucking grey.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:50

Yeah, they they make a point of it. That's the only way you could tell.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:58

Yeah, because the vampire burns. Kind of like crumbles.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:03

Yeah, he crumbles, but then his uh wife kills herself and then she also crumbles.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:15

And she killed herself by slitting her throat with glass of a snow globe of the apartment complex where the snow globe just appears out of nowhere, and also she throws it on the floor to smash it, and then the glass is just magically in her hand, and also bigger than the fucking snow globe she got it from.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:38

This it bothered me so much. There's no way that glass came from that snow globe. That glass came from a mirror pane or something. And why why would why would you do this? Why would you put a miniature version of the apartment complex in a snow globe in your movie?

SPEAKER_04 1:50:02

Why would you why would you do this? What does it mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:10

And see the thing I see if this was like is this I think this is the first bad Eastern horror that we've done. At least if we were talking about like a bad 90s J horror, I would be able to go, okay, I at least know some of the cultural aspects around why movies were made this way, like I was talking about with the the Japanese ring. But I don't know anything about Cantonese horror.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:38

I've got to have from 2013.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:43

I'm gonna look up Cantonese horror movies and I'll see if I recognise any of them. Because I hit a box and I kept getting karate films, and that was not helpful.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:55

Can the film is a tribute to the Mr. Vampire film series?

SPEAKER_02 1:51:00

I saw that, but what is okay, there's uh a trilogy? No, there is um how many what what there's 17 troublesome night movies. 19 troublesome night movies! Holy shit. Oh, dumplings is Cantonese. Oh, I'm looking I as we've been talking, I've been looking at my DVD of The Eye from 2002, but I haven't seen yet, and that is that's apparently also Cantonese.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:29

Oh, I'm remembering now, I'm reading about the Jiangxi. They are called hopping corpses, they're similar to zombies and vampires. I remember reading about hopping corpses and going, This sounds fucked up. This is about dancing zombies.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:44

And she was so much better. See if it was thriller. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:52

Oh, apparently there's uh what repo, but good. Oh, I'm finding a whole underground here. You get category three movies which are often featuring intense violence or disturbing content. There's a movie here called Ebola Syndrome from 1996. I'm gonna have to do research into this.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:15

I guess crazy. Hold on, I've got a list. Hong Kong worldwide.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:24

What are they saying is is Tales from the Dark 1 and 2, also 2013 are two anthology movies. Apparently they're good. Home Sweet Home, Dumplings, The I. The I Okay, apparently the I series goes the I, the I2, and then the I ten.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:49

Huh. Okay, apparently in Where they where'd they go?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:57

Apparently in the I10 it's um there's ten different ways you can see ghosts.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:06

Oh that sounds interesting. That sounds cool. I wanna play Fatal Frame.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:13

Oh you're waiting on the the remaster.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:16

I gotta play it.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:18

I see I I've seen that if you you pre-order you get some cool outfits, but also it's uh a medium-priced remake of an obscure video game, and I'm like, I don't know if that's going to be fucking dreadful or great, and there's gonna be no in between.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:40

Yeah, and it it all it's all gonna come down to how it feels, which you can't really tell until people actually get their hands on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:48

Have you been playing the demo?

SPEAKER_00 1:53:51

No, I have not. I forgot you told me there's a demo. I'll try the demo out.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:58

Okay, I'm see the thing is right now my savings are not going to go towards Fatal Frame. It's going to be for a PlayStation VR2, so I can play Resident Evil 8 and Resident Evil 4 remake in VR.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:13

4 remake and VR? Is that in first person?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:17

Yeah, but both 8 and 4 remake and VR are exclusive to the PlayStation VR2.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:24

Weird. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:26

You know what's fucked up? Resident Evil 7 is on VR, but that's exclusive to the PS VR1, and it's not compatible. Not compatible with 2?

SPEAKER_00 1:54:39

Nope. And it's also not, you can't do that on PC or something.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:44

I don't know. I think there's mods for it on PC.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:46

So I don't think Well at this point, yeah, but let's just say officially. So the thing, the only way it can be played officially is obsolete.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:55

Yeah, and the fucked up thing is PSVR2 has OLED eye screens, it has the rendering, but it renders in extra detail the stuff that you're eyes tracking.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:06

So it looks like really nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:09

It has chat tech feedback, not only in the controllers for when you're pressing shit, but in the headset itself, so you feel things touching your head, and it's like that. Sounds fucked up in Resident Evil 7. It's a shame. It's not for them.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:23

And that means they're designing it. Oh, that's true. That means they're designing eight and four just for that, though. So there's gonna be things that scare you in that that are designed just for that game.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:33

Oh, I assume the bugs in Resident Evil 8 when the the goth girls are running about are going to sound and feel disgusting. Ooh, little critters.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:47

I see, I see we've we've looked at surviving. Any other thoughts? I don't have any other thoughts.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:56

Uh it'd be good background for if you were having a horror party and you needed something on you.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:04

That's what's annoying, is yeah, it it would be good background for a party subtitled. It would not be good background for anything you're doing at home, because you would need to pay attention to the subtitles, and then it's not gonna make sense, and it's just not worth it. Or we don't recommend putting the dub on in the background, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:30

No, no, you you didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:34

Yeah, I watched the subtitle version. Charlie watched the dubbed version. I don't know if we were crystal clear about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:40

But uh yeah, I suppose if you want to watch a movie that has um black magic, werewolf, and zombies, and vampires, and Japanese spirits, and you don't care about the quality of the film it's attached to, then I mean it's probably the best-looking ones to get it all in one package.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:09

Oh, yeah, just new easy segment, recommend it or not at the end. I don't recommend it. I think once you know all of that stuff, it's not worth it. For me, what was fun about this was watching all of that stuff come together in a weird way. It's sort of sort of like looking at a weird pot come together and you're going, that looks interesting, that smells really interesting, and then you taste it and it doesn't taste very good.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:39

I think I think everything can be recommended to some people, and I think it's genuinely just if you want to see some cool monsters and you've exhausted your list of other cool monster movies, there's probably much worse stuff out there to be watching, but it's not good. I think if you go in with with me if you go in mentally going, okay, this is going to be a not well scripted movie, and I'm not going to get anything satisfying out of it, but I want to see some some Japanese ghost girls creeping about the ceiling, then. Oh, yeah, there's the shot in the movie where the the two ghost girls are coming out of the of the locker, and it's clear it's just two people slowly moving out of a locker that they put some scary music over, and I found that very funny. But uh I suppose that was rigor mortis.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:41

That is rigor mortis. Uh you can email us at theuncannyvalleypodcast at gmail.com. You can follow us on Instagram at the uncannyvalleypod. Stay cool. Tune in next.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:58

That was what's intuitive.