UV20 - Martyrs (2008)

Join charlie and chris as they blast to pieces a family of four and peel apart layer by layer french extremity staple and modern horror classic Martyrs 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Yes. As I walk through the uncanny valley of death, you shall fear medieval. For I am medieval.

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Yeah, but today we're talking about martyrs from 2008, directed by Pascal Loffier, and written as well by the same brave, brave man.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

I looked at all the French names connected to this film and just went, that's not I'm not even making an attempt on any of these.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

I was gonna ask if you want to take a crack at it.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

You know what the fucked up thing is, okay, but we even get started. Say I was like, oh, this is a French a French movie. It is a French movie, but it's made by a French guy, but it's made in Canada. So it's a French Canadian movie that's not a French Canadian movie, but it's a co-production between France and Canada, filmed in French Canada.

SPEAKER_04 1:12

Weird. That's such a specific.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

But by that we mean it's a French Canadian movie, and it's not a French Canadian movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

It's a French plus Canadian, not French hyphen Canadian.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Surely there's there's got to be an easier way to go about that rather than being a French guy trying to make a French movie than working with Canada. Surely there's gotta be an easier segue to connect to French Canada than normal Canada and then move into French Canada.

SPEAKER_04 1:52

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

So why is this a French production and not just a French Canadian production? What's the difference?

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Oh, I don't know. It's some sort of snootiness, because it is a French Canadian production. It's more of a Canadian. Unless he brought the whole crew over, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Do you want to know another little fun? There was small things I got from interviews of this, nothing much correlating to the movie. But I did there was one little fun fact that stuck out to me. The director of this film noted one of his inspirations as watching Hostel in the cinema with with uncanny classic French uh uh film uh au tour Christoph Gans.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

I know also apparently the director is an actor in Christoph Gans Wolf Werewolf film.

unknown 2:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

There's a little connections going on.

SPEAKER_04 2:58

Yeah, a little bit of pedigree.

SPEAKER_00 3:01

But if we're done by that logic, we'd be made. Yeah, but would you then classify I have I have not. We've talked about this in our Silent Hill episode.

SPEAKER_03 3:10

Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I really want to see it.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

So would you by that logic, would you consider Silent Hill to be a French American movie?

SPEAKER_04 3:21

I guess so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

We're we're so deep into French. Wasn't Titan or Titan also kind of French Canadian?

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Hmm. That sounds familiar, but I'm not remembering any specific instance, and I didn't look at the production companies on that.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

The French really have an issue. I don't know why they can't just make their own films. Why are they just giving them away to people?

SPEAKER_03 3:50

It's probably cheaper to hire a crew in other places.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Well, the director of Martyrs said because it took them seven months filming in Canada, they just had to rent a house for over half a year rather than buy hotel room. So not cheap whatsoever. So like they can't even that's the thing, people always got uh French French people have have no balls, they can't handle anything. And then it's like, oh yeah, we wanted to make a movie, so we let other people do it. Just do something for yourself for once, France.

SPEAKER_04 4:27

No.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Always relying on other people. Anyway, we wef it fails, it's not their fault. Yeah, you can't take any responsibility for anything. Aside from some of the bad things they let happen in World War II. Again, we've got all we can do that.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 4:45

We let that happen. We didn't do it.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

But anyway.

SPEAKER_04 4:50

Let's get into this right now.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Martyrs. I uh I had advertised this as you finally getting into French extremity.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

And then it turns out I've seen this before.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

How does this keep happening to you?

SPEAKER_02 5:07

I don't know. Too much weed.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

I saw your letterbox. That was like two years ago. It wasn't long.

SPEAKER_03 5:16

Not that long ago, no. I mean, I was in a whole other relationship at the time. I watched that with my partner. So it's just like uh life changes I blocked out, I guess. Living in a different place.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Was your ex Will Smith from The Men in Black? Why is it wiped your memory of a film?

SPEAKER_04 5:40

Uh sure. Don't don't we all wish? No. Not anymore. No.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

No, Tommy Lee Jones, surely, if anyone.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

True. Yeah, he'd be a good just like wake up and do a crossword with Tommy Lee Jones. Drink a cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

That's what I was gonna see. You get the coffee machine going. You get the little walking chair out the front. Oh, that'd be nice. Watching the sunset over the horizon. I feel like Will Smith would have too much energy in the morning. I feel like he'd be very up and at him.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

Oh, I would hate that. Yeah, no, thank you. I need calm.

SPEAKER_00 6:22

So Chris, what whilst watching, what did you remember of the film then?

SPEAKER_03 6:29

It wasn't until we got oh no no. Actually, it was looking at the screenshot on the homepage of Lucy holding the shotgun. I went, oh. And then I started watching it, and the opening scene of little Lucy running. I went, huh. And then I sort of went through that whole intro. And then we got to the house. And I just watched the whole family eating their breakfast and whatnot. And then Lucy breaks in and I go, huh. That's what I that's when I realized.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Well, I mean, but it's like it's an infamous movie, so surely you knew what scene that wouldn't happen.

SPEAKER_03 7:16

I knew I had seen this movie, I just didn't remember that this movie was martyrs. I've heard about martyrs so much. I don't know. I just, you know, I it was shown to me as a movie that my partner really liked. It wasn't like, hey, let's watch martyrs. It's like if somebody was like, hey, I want to show you a movie I really love, and it turns out they showed you Hannibal Holoca Hannibal Holocaust.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Hannibal Holocaust.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Hannibal Holocaust. It turns out somebody someday someone asks you if you've seen that. You say, I don't think I've seen that. I've heard about that one. But it turns out you have seen it.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Well, you're not. I've heard of Cannibal Holocaust, but this Hannibal Holo uh Holocaust.

SPEAKER_03 8:04

Yeah, that's like grade 8. You're not ready for that.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Just throw Anthony Hopkins in with a tribe and record them for a few weeks.

SPEAKER_04 8:15

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

Uh I feel like he'd befriend them quite well. There is the funny thing is, there's brain consumption in both movies.

SPEAKER_04 8:26

Oh. Interesting. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

Is it Real Yoda in both of them? One's definitely real. I feel like surely in Hannibal, those animal brains would have just been actual animal brains, since it's a food.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

That's true. Yeah, why not? I guess if they have to it depends on what's easiest to film.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

I would you would you be up for trying brain?

SPEAKER_03 8:56

I would try it. But seasoned and, you know, made like a dish, not just here's some brain.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

What if okay, hypothetically the dish was the animal's head, but like popped open as a little display plate.

SPEAKER_04 9:15

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

I think I'll make a cool Instagram code.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Like also in Men in Black, like the guy's body opens up.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

I see Wally's up and about.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Oh yeah, you can hear him. He's he's scraper oil.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

He's he's making a little bit for himself on my bed. He's using his mouth and his paws to drag everything around.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Well, we typically go initial impressions. So, Chris, since I'm the one that was like, This is strange that you've had two people now going, you should watch this film. And it being specifically this film.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

I've manufactured extra experiences for myself in my life.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

So your initial thoughts on Mortyers?

SPEAKER_04 10:14

It is good. It's uh very grim.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

I like how they don't really pull any punches at all. And it just kinda keeps going. It's tough to watch. I don't yeah, having 40 minutes of this movie just be torture is rough, but it also you know, you could say that it should be shorter, but then it would be less torturous to watch. And then that feels like it starts to defeat the purpose.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

I was gonna say, so your your initial thoughts of this torture porn flick should be maybe down the torture a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

No, I'm not saying that. I'm just like it feels long and it's unpleasant to watch, but it's not it's not a pacing issue, it's not a construct an issue of construction of the movie, you know, it's of design, it's the intention of the movie, and it works well.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

I will say the length is a fair point because this is an hour 40, and I feel for some reason a lot of the the French extremity movies are only like an hour and 20 minutes long. I don't know. Even back in the early 2000s, late 2000s, when this whole new wave of French cinema was coming about, they were like, okay, we'll push it, but we're not gonna force the audience to sit for too long. I will say on the the hard to watch part, I do feel like I misremember this as being a lot timer than it was, but simultaneously I do think the rep the rep I oh no fuck. I fucked it the rep Ohno. You know you know the word the reputation.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

I don't know what word you're gonna for the rep the reputation.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Oh my god, definitely preceded itself. That was dire, but that is the worst. It wasn't even like I didn't know the word. It was just I was it was like a start, it was like a mental walk.

SPEAKER_04 12:35

Damn. I just broke it. You got got it, but it goes people scary movie too, bro.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

I just had a lump in my throat for a solid two minutes.

SPEAKER_03 12:46

So we have this first section of the kids. What do you think of this?

SPEAKER_00 12:51

We do the okay, the opening scene with the kid running scream, it's definitely effective. It's a good scene, but I will say that due to how fucked up this poor kid is, at first I could not tell that it was a child. Every time I watch this movie, I'm like, oh, it's just an adult.

SPEAKER_04 13:12

Yeah. Well, I think they'll just freakishly told it as a child.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

A little bit, yeah. Because they do kind of look like an adult when you just see that clip of them running.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

But it's it's there's why are we so tall? We're supposed to be like I don't know, twelve? Maybe younger?

SPEAKER_04 13:33

In growth spruce, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Should we play basketball by the time she's fifteen?

SPEAKER_04 13:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

The opening of this film is really, really, really fast-paced because you get the initial horror, bloody, screaming, effective shot, and then we cut to a very I don't know if you've seen uh Happy Happy Games? What's that Michael Haneke film? Funny games.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

I have seen funny games. I've seen both versions of like funny games a lot.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

It's very reminiscent of funny games, the way take away the opening portrait moment is the very sterile modern, just very kind of banal family scenes. And it's a good contrast for again, like I say, it's very fast pace. Our main girl, Chris, you you've got the names. Help me with the names.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

Lucy.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Fucking obliterates that man. Oh my god.

unknown 14:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

I don't see I remember watching behind the scenes, I remember this as a shot that was very, very hard to get, and I don't remember why. But Chris this looks a little fucking goofy, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_02 15:06

When the dad gets shot.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

When specifically the dad. Everyone else. We get it's a good it's a good shotgun shot, it's a bang, and there's a fucking hole, and then they're done. But this man goes flying like 12 feet in the air. I suppose it's close. I feel like surely John Woo. It is very John Woo. I feel like also surely that's but close range, wouldn't you just have like surely your body would stay still and then the affected area would just go.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

Yes. Because it's nothing's catching in your body, it's probably going through it. If anything.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

I've seen a lot of fucked up shit online. I've seen plenty of people get shot by a shotgun. I've never seen someone go about 30 miles an hour through the sky due to it. And I'm not aware why I suppose it's just to be effective as the first gun blast. Because the rest of the family, again, like I say, they're shot fine. They're perfectly fine that everything there looks normal. I will say, little little side note, I like that the blood splatters, this is strange. I like that the blood splatters in this film are chunky. There's little bits of people on the wall. I think it's a very nice thing.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

You see in the scenes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

You don't have to do it.

SPEAKER_03 16:48

It is all real, it stays in the set, and people are acting around the the viscera, which you don't get when you have CGI blood.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

It's not even that you never see the little bits and pieces, and I feel like that it adds to it so much. I like looking at the one going, well, that's a little chunky, that's that's that's rotting.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

It does, and it makes it feel really gnarly, but real.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

And it's a good set as well. This was this is a studio set. We built this house for the film.

SPEAKER_04 17:19

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

It's a cool looking house. It's very for some we've we've had back-to-back brutalist architecture for some reason. I don't know why this is a running like theme we've got going on. What was before Rigor Morris? What did we have?

SPEAKER_03 17:38

The first Tubo movie was men.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

Men? Nah, we got that classic British gothic architecture. That's what the mean.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Yeah, a little bit. And then we have The House at the End of Time. I don't know what kind of architecture is at the end of time.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

We're very house focused, this I suppose. Smaller location films are cheaper for us to be can afford them.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

I guess.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

It can be, surely, it's gotta be something I mean. The backrooms is just like walls. It's just architecture. It's all right.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Yeah, we're just doing rooms. This is rooms month.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

We're gonna need to get like an interior designer or some or someone on to do like a quick recap of everything we went through.

SPEAKER_04 18:30

Yeah. See if we're accurate.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Lucy goes on a four-man kill streak, she takes everyone out. I will say. And then she shoots the ceiling for good measure. I we love we love a battery soaked in blood and horror movies.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

She looks great.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Her girls she looks incredible for what she's going through. Yeah. I don't see if I was kept up by a little a little naked demon girl with some metal underpants every night. I would not be looking this great. My hair would not be in as fantastic of condition as hers. Hers is? I'm fucking up my. It's so bad. I'm losing my voice and I can't speak tonight.

SPEAKER_03 19:15

She's got really piercing eyes, which really hold the camera.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

She does. I think it's she's got like a slightly darker skin, and then the pitch black hair that she has really makes her eyes pop.

SPEAKER_04 19:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

It contrasts well to the obscene amount of blood everywhere in this film.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

But yeah, so it's a very like ready or not, your next kind of energy.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Okay, so Chris, you're you're a girl, okay, and your best friend possible in a relationship with insane girly phones you up and goes, I've just taken out a family of four with a shotgun that I told you I was just going to have a look at. Are you helping?

SPEAKER_03 20:10

How long have I been How long have I been in a relationship with this person for? For as long as them, since they were like kids?

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Well, you assume they're in a relationship based on the the phone call with the mother. I'm going to count this as queer horror. I feel like this is queer horror. Don't they kiss? Do they kiss? I wasn't paying attention to that. Rose focused on the kiss. He forgets about the movie, but he remembers a kiss.

SPEAKER_04 20:43

Alright. Just watched it, I guess. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

I did watch it, but unfortunately I was arguing with you on Discord during. I will say this is like I was thinking back, I think this is my fifth time watching this film. And I was still like, oh, I forgot about a lot of this.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

It's there's a lot going on. What I remembered first off was that there's like four different plots that this cycles through.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Four different plots. Well, I suppose as horror as a child, then it's the child play.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

And then it sort of lets you sit in with this family for a moment, then the family starts getting murdered, and then they show you this effectively monster lady in the house, which you know later we realize is an apparition. But for a moment it feels like a monster movie. Uh you don't know if she's being haunted, which I guess she is, just in a different way.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Well, I assume when you like when your ex was recommending this, I assume you'd heard of Martyrs before. I mean, it's fairly. When you first watched this, if you remember, were you like, 'What the fuck's going on when that little goblin ghost is in the care home'?

SPEAKER_04 22:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

I remember being sprung through a fucking loop, going, 'Oh shit, this is like the torture film everyone says.' And then it starts off with a little tease of that, and then we're at we're at like a care home with abused children, and there's a little ghost.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

Yeah, I don't know like what the hell is happening. And it it takes a long time for us to get to you know, it's not until the the whole team of people come into the house that the I would say the quote-unquote plot of the movie really kicks in. You know, the plot is always happening, but you know what I mean, the the core concept.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Yeah, it's strange because usually, again, you you've not seen a lot from usually usually it's an incredibly straightforward plot, and the whole purpose of the movie is to be this sort of new aggressive punk style horror filmmaking. But this is they keep calling it like a gory arthouse film in the interviews, and it it kind of is because it's like the structure is not your typical movie structure. There's not really a beginning, middle, or end. You're more just with each character. Even towards the end, you're with the antagonist.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

It's kind of a hangout movie.

SPEAKER_03 23:34

It's a hangout horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Hangout horror movie.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

Yeah, hangout movie like uh Once Upon a Time in Hollywood where there's no real plot or um or dazed and confused. But this one's a horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

See, I would never have thought about it, but I suppose we don't do too much of the hanging out. I mean No, definitely Metal Underpants would get a little bit of a hangout. She gets a little bad.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

She does. She gets a little chill, she gets a good uh makeover.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Okay, so back to what I was saying before we got out. And we have Lucy, what's her other girl called? Chris, you've got the names. Help me out.

SPEAKER_04 24:18

Oh, it's Lucy and Anna.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Anna. That's very English names for a French movie, but sure.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

Kind of Lucy is with an IE if it helps.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

It does, but this it cancel so a little. Okay, so you're Chris, you're a lesbian. You're Lucy.

SPEAKER_04 24:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

And you have you're an Anna as your toxic girlfriend. Are you helping her dispose of child bodies?

SPEAKER_04 24:49

No, Lucy's the toxic girlfriend.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Yeah, I feel like it seems like okay, it's fit fair she has her issues, okay. But it seems like this is not a typical thing for Lucy to be doing. I find it kind of insane that Anne's just like, yeah, sure, I'll take charge here.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

A little bit. Yeah, you would hope this isn't happening frequently. Uh I guess you are to assume that there's been a lot of freakouts, I guess. You know, uh Anna's been there for Lucy when Lucy has had a lot of PTSD trauma attacks. And so knowing what she went through, there's maybe a level of acceptance for what she's doing in retaliation. But clearly, once Anna sees that you know a young girl has been killed, she it takes her a lot longer to make that allowance. I don't remember if she actually does until they get attacked again. She's trying to save the uh the mom, actually. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

No, she doesn't. No, I'm all for the violent retribution that Lucy does. I think, you know what, fair fucks for the mum and the dad. I'd imagine the little girl probably doesn't know, but I'd imagine the older boy definitely does know, considering their fucking umbrella laboratory underneath our house isn't that well hidden. Like we stumble across that by accident.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

That's not a bad Yeah deduction.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

But he I feel like he definitely knows, so yeah, mark his ass as well. The little girl is the only one that I'm like that's that was a bit unnecessary, Commander.

SPEAKER_04 26:51

Yeah, he didn't need to.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

But yeah, in seemingly.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

But if they play it well though, the way that she once she shoots everyone, just sort of aims at two of the bodies, screams, and then shoots into the sky, like she probably didn't intend to kill children when she went there either, but she just kept shooting.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Well, no, she because she does pause before shooting the body. I think she's at a point where she's like, Well, fuck, there's witnesses now. So what am I supposed to do?

SPEAKER_03 27:27

Maybe, maybe. I mean she did ask him if he saw anything. You don't think that she just didn't believe?

SPEAKER_00 27:38

No, I think I think it was more just she's conflicted at that moment in time. That makes sense. She's probably like I don't think it mattered what he said at all to her. Like you I think he was he was fucked anyway. Honestly, Elon Hidden for sitting back down. See if I just saw someone run in my house and gun down two people and then tell me to move away from the door and sit down closer to me. See you see see if my head's gone. That's that's my fault. I don't really need to hold for it.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Why would you say you're not gonna he sits because the audience thinks he won't die because he's a kid, effectively, right? Ah, he's 18.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

He's 18.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

He's just being told what to do. So he'll do it.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

The child, I'm sure people at like Cans and that on first watching were probably taken aback about an 18-year-old can get it. Who gives a shit?

SPEAKER_03 28:45

Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, fair. He's a young looking 18-year-old. They cast him well for the surprise.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Oh. But I in in Anne's scenario, okay, say someone was like, okay, these things have happened to me, and I found these people and I've killed them, and I need you to help. I feel like I probably would. But I tell you, I sure as fuck would not be the only person doing it. Lucy, I get she's having issues, but fucking come on, move your ass a bit. See if I chose to help someone hide bodies, and then they kept hiding in the fucking bathrooms, I was moving the bodies.

unknown 29:29

True.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

That would be the last shot.

SPEAKER_04 29:32

Yeah, she's just freaking out the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

What you would be having to come out of the body.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

She's telling Anna to smell the bodies.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Yeah, that was okay. That's that would have maybe made me go, hmm. I'm not very comfortable in this situation.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Yeah. And it's it's to affirm, you know, I knew who this person was, but it's still.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Yeah, but like if it's all rich people, who cares? But I don't want to be smelling for corpse.

unknown 30:03

No.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

It probably smells great, they probably got some Gucci or shit on.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

Yeah, let's say.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

I'm not giving it a whiff. No. Also, in that scenario, you you're smelling iron. You ain't gonna smell shit. It's gonna be the smell of blood.

SPEAKER_03 30:19

It's grim that they get this job done later in the movie. Oh, here's the kiss also is in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

You ever had a Oh you're right, oh you timed it to perfection, Chris. We must be like on the second.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

Yeah, we're pretty close, though.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Um a room with blood before.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

No, not in a long time.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

We my my first year of college when we were doing cookery, we ended up with uh a chicken blood clogging the small sink we have, and see the stank in that room after about an hour and a half, two hours. Good god, it was only matched by the entire class of unburning a load of pills and creating like a spice fog that almost took out a teacher.

SPEAKER_04 31:13

Oh my god. Spice fog is terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

It was because I take it you've never been in a kitchen with a lot of spices cooking at once.

SPEAKER_04 31:27

Probably not as many as you're thinking about.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Okay, well, when you cook spice, spice tends to go in the air. So when there's a lot of people cooking spice all at once, and then the teacher fucks off, when you don't have a recipe and everyone starts to burn. It's just it's just like imagine a hot steam in the god.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

No.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

It was fun though, it was a good Thai green curry. But anyway, you know, you ain't smelling shit in horse and out. That's fucking reeks, good god. So Chris, little goblin person insane makeup. Such makeup.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

It's a lot of what sells this as a real element. You know, if this was a CGI thing, it just wouldn't work.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Yeah, ca the interview with the director, he was talking a little bit about the creature design. He was like, uh producers kept trying to Americanize it and make it a monster. And he had to fight back against that. And then apparently he had to keep redesigning it because it kept coming across as like too sexual or like far too feminine. Or wanted like this strange, thick, androgynous produ what's Chris, what situation do you need to be in to get veins like this motherfucker?

SPEAKER_04 32:59

Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Because my ass is totally veins.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

High blood pressure pressure.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Well no, if you're being tortured and you're bleeding, your blood pressure would drop.

SPEAKER_04 33:10

That's true.

unknown 33:12

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Inject potassium into their veins.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Because the only thing I've seen is like I some old people get it, but I don't know what what correlation. Like what's it what situation is it specifically some old people get into? What's it called? Barkis Veins?

SPEAKER_04 33:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

You would just body horror yourself.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

I would, it's like my Oh, I've looked up Varcos Venes. Oh, that's no, good god.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

Alright, let me share.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Oh, am I sharing it? Hold on, let me screenshot you this.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

It's strange you screen. Oh, you have you googled it?

SPEAKER_04 34:16

Oh, yeah. Like worms.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

I think I could handle I'm looking at the people with the little the little purple and the little blue ones. I think I could handle that more, but see the like the fleshy, swollen ones.

SPEAKER_04 34:37

Yeah, no, not on that.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

It'd fuck up my whole tattoo vipes.

SPEAKER_04 34:42

Oh, that would suck.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

But anyway. But anyway, little little goblin creature. I feel like I would say they're the worst part of the gore in this movie. Oh, we've hit uh oh no, it's March. Oh, I got excited. I thought we'd hit self-matilation.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

No, not yet.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

Not for a couple months. But yeah, for some reason, the the main the main gore I can't handle is I fucking hate thin blades, straight razors, box cutters, that's that's the one that I'm like, no. No, it's too far.

SPEAKER_04 35:19

Yeah, her getting cut in the back is really rough.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

And like, even though I know that in real life, if I get cut by a sharp object or someone stabs me, the thinner and the sharper the blade the better. But also I feel like that's much scarier than just having someone with like a fucking axe take me out.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

Oh, yeah, because it's more personal.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

It's not because it's I don't like the thinness of it. Something about the thinness freaks me out. I don't like how clean the slice is.

unknown 35:56

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

You remember the one in Green Room? That's the freakiest.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

The one in Green Room got me bad, and the one in Terrifier 3 with the scalping got me pretty good as well.

SPEAKER_03 36:08

Oh, I haven't seen Terrifier 3.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

Oh. I feel I genuinely the worst way to fuck me up if you're making a horror movie is see if you took a uh razor blade to like someone's fingernails and slid it downwards.

unknown 36:25

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

Like the back of the finger. That that would be the one. I can't think of anything worse than it and thinking about it. I feel like even like on my feet, I wouldn't feel as bad. I feel like my fingers makes it infinitely worse, and I don't know why.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

Somebody at my work cut their fingernail a bit with a box cutter the other day or a couple weeks ago. Because we have a safety on our cutter, and he was he was going. Oh, this thing wouldn't even really stop you from hurting yourself. You just need to put pressure on it. Like if you and then I just hear him going, ah.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

Was it like a cut cut or was it like just in through the wheel?

SPEAKER_01 37:04

It was a nick, it was a nick, but it's still so funny to nick yourself saying that.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Because I have caught myself in those fuckers in my work, but it's only scraped across my nail. And that's made me go, ah. It just makes me shudder every time I do it.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

Oh, yeah, I don't like that.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

And it always leaves that little fucking white mark. It's like God designed a reminder on the human body to be like, This is how badly you could have fucked yourself if your nail wasn't supposed.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

I yeah, I cut my hand at some point, and I still have a little white scar. I was cutting a bagel in my palm. Knife going straight down.

SPEAKER_04 37:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Oh, I had some I had a little white like white line straight across my palm somewhere. But you can't see it because of my tattoos now.

SPEAKER_04 37:58

Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

I was sad, I missed a little bit. It was such like a perfect 45 degree white line as well. I think it I think it was oh, I remember what it was. I there was I was trying to get a spring lock off of like a cupboard, and it was like I don't know, they fucking super glued or built it around the lock. So you couldn't get it out. So I ended up wedging a kitchen knife behind it and crying. Oh no. And then the bounce back caught me.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Keep in mind I I have like professional qualifications to say that I handle knives safely.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Uh where from?

SPEAKER_00 38:40

From college. I've got a bunch, they gave me like a big fancy knife set and everything. I've got some that seemed like you ever you ever felt a boning knife?

SPEAKER_04 38:51

No.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

The little get the maturity, Chris, come on now. Well, boning knives are designed to go through flesh straight to bone. They're designed for removing meat off bone, and those motherfuckers are sharp. Good god. You ever want to feel a sharp knife? Buy a boning knife.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Just feel it. Feel the blade and your thumb's gone.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

But do you never give it? You you pick up a sharp object and your brain's instantly like, okay, touch the edge.

SPEAKER_04 39:23

Yes. Yeah, you're like, oh, I want to make sure this is sharp, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Even though it has no effect on me. And if it is obtainely sharp, chances are I'm just going to hurt myself.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Yeah. There's only a bad outcome.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

And it's like it's not even say I get like people are like, oh, you see like train tracks far below you, you want to peek over the edge and have a look. Yeah, but you're not gonna fucking fall. When you put your finger on a blade, you're going to hurt yourself. It's like anytime you look at a stove and go, I could probably touch that if I really tried.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Yeah, if I wave my hand around it real fast. If I like run my hand under cold water and then touch it really quick.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

Are you were you ever one of those kids that would try to touch like candle flames and see how long you could hold your hand there?

SPEAKER_03 40:23

Uh less than that, and I love uh waving my finger through the flame and seeing how close I could get it and going back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Okay, well you're gonna you're gonna get the the autistic side of me in a while, because my my childhood touching the flame wasn't touching the flame, but it was holding on to lava lamps for as long as I could. Like the the hot bit underneath.

unknown 40:49

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

And do you know how many times as a child in the middle of the night my lava lamp went bang, and then I had to run into bed, and then when my mum came in and went, oh the lava lamp broke.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

What happened?

SPEAKER_00 41:03

I don't know what was going on with that. No, I think just the the heat of the bulb in the palm of my hand got hotter and just went bang. Interesting. That's funny. I also had to go to A and E for drinking a glow stick as a child, so I wasn't a very intelligent child. For drinking a what? A glow stick.

SPEAKER_04 41:26

Oh shit. Oh.

unknown 41:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

Apparently my mum came in and I was just lying there, covered in neon green lip. Holy shit. I just look like a fucking zombie.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

That's apparently I was fine. Horrible.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

Okay, this is this is sidetracked from Mars so badly. Um Lucy is definitely not chill. You know, she She's not chill, but do you think you could fix her?

SPEAKER_03 42:09

No. Probably not. Would you make hammers that lady in the head that Anna is trying to save and then goes on a rampage?

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Yeah, but to be okay, in her scenario though, in all fairness, I wouldn't save that old woman because she's a rich cunt that likes to torture people. I would understand if it's the child. But just back your head and that's not my issue.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

Oh, yeah. I don't even think she I don't have an opinion on saving the lady necessarily. It's just this tirade she goes on is obviously wrapped up in everything that's happening and a lot of emotions, but also indicative of something a little deeper. And there's a lot of uh anger in her smashing the things around because she picked someone else over Lucy.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Yeah, it's definitely not a relationship dynamic you typically want to find yourself in.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

Yeah, I think her mom is when she's calling her later in the movie. I hate to say.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Yes, but the only time in one is like any film where the protective mom saying you should not go out with that person is definitely in the right.

SPEAKER_04 43:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

But her situation, I'm calling in Lissy. I'm I'm sounding that horn like Gabriel. I'm like, this this rich woman's running, go get her. That would make me go, Oh. I'd I'd be sticking on the headphones and listening.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

And wrap the tart from the shower around her head.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

But yeah, okay, so little little Lucy with the little goblin person. In all fairness, see if I thought I had some connection to this little goblin, but I had to kill people to make them go away. And then I kill people and they're still there, I would be pretty pissed.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

Yeah. Yeah, but she gets mad about that specifically. She says I killed them, I even killed their kids. Which makes it seem like this demon has been haunting her for a while.

SPEAKER_04 44:45

And something that she probably hasn't talked about to Hannah.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

No, she's definitely been because you see uh her as the ghost in the care home when they're children.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Oh, yeah, that's true. Oh, so yeah, it has been with her for a long, long time.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

It's been with her since the the initial torture, and I assume. Yeah, because remember as a child, they find her in the bathtub with her wristcut open, and she says, Oh, it wasn't me. Oh, right. Oh yeah. Hmm. Oh, see. See, I'm not I'm not I'm no longer the glow stick-eating child. I have some intentions about now.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

You use the glow sticks to illuminate your movies.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

I I've I feel like when aside from rapes, why don't adults ever get glow sticks anymore? Glow sticks are fun.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

Glow sticks are pretty fun.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

I I'd like glow sticks.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

I had one a couple of weeks ago at like someone's birthday, and I made one of the bands. Like the little connector like long stickers, I mean a little arm band, but then we probably um kind of like uh uh uh green apple, I would say. Oh, nice. Little battery, I said that ball.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

Uh but yeah, this little ghost cutting her wrists is rough. Are we not to that yet? Did you want to talk about the ghost a little bit more?

SPEAKER_00 46:18

No, that's exactly what I was talking about with the little ghost that it comes to conclusion with the wrist slitting. Which that's also one of the straight down, like if someone cuts a wrist sideways, that isn't freak me out of the movie, but straight down the way. Again, I think it's a clean split that fucked me up.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

All the way, oh my god, all the way, all the way. Really rough.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

All the way, all the way. Like from shoulder down.

SPEAKER_04 46:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Which I don't know if this little goblin nodes exactly where that artery in your arm is. Yeah, that's improving. Well, it's probably go to the heart somewhere, so maybe it does go up the way.

SPEAKER_04 47:02

Oh, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Oh well, I was going to make reference, but we've not seen 28 years later Bone Temple yet, have we not?

SPEAKER_03 47:10

Oh no, I haven't. Interesting. For wrist cutting.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

No, not wrist cutting, but it was a good artery moment.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

Interesting, okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

It's just it's actually kind of fucked up for the fact that no one had mentioned that scene before I went into the film kind of fucked me up a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 47:32

Shit, alright.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

But yeah, one the just a small, small detail during the wrist cutting, the the slight tearing noise that the skin makes. Absolutely vile.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

It's haunting. Yeah, you don't want ripping skin.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

I don't even know if skin would make a rip noise. I feel like it'd be too wet. I suppose it's like dragging, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 48:00

At least yeah, like young skin. I don't like saying young skin.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

Well, it would be like ripping a heart going for an older person.

SPEAKER_04 48:12

Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Oh no, older would be worse. Because the skin would like fold up as you're pulling, surely. You get like little little ripples.

SPEAKER_04 48:24

Alright, let's let's stop. Why did you?

SPEAKER_00 48:30

You're what you you were you started talking about young skin, like your fucking Richard Reeling.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

I think I did, I don't recall that.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

So we're talking to our mom on the phone.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

No, you missed the throat slit, which again. We had another standout in the open throat slit moment.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

Do you think this is too much on top of the wrist slitting?

SPEAKER_00 49:02

Yeah, definitely. I feel like I get we wanted it to be like a big dramatic moment out in out in the rain. But also, like her her her wrists are open. That's you're not you're not lasting too long with that. Just hop her in the bathtub. And then you can paralyze parallel of them being a child with them being Do you know what? That's a fun Google search. How long would you live after slitting wrists?

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

Someone's gonna knock on your door right after you google this.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

I'll make sure I put long ways. Help is available. Speak to someone today. Available.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Yeah, buddy, you're you're googling long ways. Slitting your wrists.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

How long does it take to be? But but how long I know that that is fatal and can k can you go to AE with mental health? That's not a no- This is this is research. Okay, we go, Quora. How does slitting a wrist kill you? Does someone does a doctor in here talk about it?

SPEAKER_03 50:18

I've found if you want to Google stuff like this, you have to Google for a book or in a story.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

But is that not the the AI workaround?

SPEAKER_04 50:30

Oh maybe.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

Do you know what's fucked up? I actually had to use that method specifically earlier when I was looking. No, I don't need good Samaritans.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

You need some help. You seem really intent.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

Now this is someone that's talking about bleeding from a joke. Maybe if I go to like the fucked up images or two, whoo!

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Okay, I'm not gonna he turned a wrong corner.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Oh, I was I was jumping. I thought Google blurred that stuff now. I was gonna go, okay, maybe maybe some disturbed individual that was posting about it will have problems. But oh my god, that was some master stuff. Okay, Martin isn't too bad actually.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

You just heard some trauma live on air.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

Oh no. Oh, with the phrasing.

SPEAKER_00 51:47

As I was trying to to I did that method earlier with um the the finale of this movie, and I also wasn't getting good results for that. But yeah, our or our were feminist Queen Lucy, she's gone.

SPEAKER_03 52:06

I don't think you would live long at all if your whole skin was taken off. Even if you're in a sterile environment, I think you would shut down.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

Yeah, well we we we can get to that when because does does that happen in this movie? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

Alright, alright, we're gonna play it like that.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

But so this is when Anne she she gets the phone call from her mum, as you were trying to mention earlier, Wesie. Yeah, she does call her mum, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

Her mom gets upset about her never calling.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

No, but what I I garnered from the beginning of our conversation and the fact that she was in a care home, I got the the the feeling that like she was taking away from her mum, and then she's like, so why are you trying to call me now? Like this is like a very, very estranged relationship.

SPEAKER_04 53:07

It seemed that way, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

Because I'm watching right now, she's like, so are you trying to make me feel guilty? You think I don't blame myself? You think my head's not filled with all the crap that I did, which using crap instead of shit in a movie like this is a very strange strange writing choice. It could be, I feel like I always find it whenever people say crap in a movie, it always rubs me wrong because I'm like, you can just say shit. Like it's not gonna affect your age rating. No one said crap in real life.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

No, it would have to be very character-specific.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

Like well, like a stoner dude in like in the early 2000s. I could hear him saying crap, and that's like Yeah, like a Mormon. Yeah. Holy crap, guys. Well, you can say holy vis plastic. Oh shit.

unknown 54:10

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

We're not seeing the other end of martyrdom. Well, at least I'm not.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

I never would.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

But so this is this is where Anne finds her little resident evil secret bookshelf laboratory.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

Yeah, she finds a little staircase or a ladder leading down, metal ladder leading down into a metal room. It's strange how fantastical this element is, despite the rest of the film being kind of ground like mostly ground in concept, isn't it but Yeah, it feels and they they don't let you down in there really until later in the movie, so it feels very amorphous or like unknowable, like what's down there.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

Yeah, and then this is where we find metal underpants lady who's not having a good time whatsoever.

SPEAKER_04 55:13

No.

SPEAKER_00 55:15

I can't even tell what the what what is the what torture method requires metal knickers?

SPEAKER_03 55:26

Uh that's a good question. As far as I'm aware, the headgear is because she keeps thinking she has bugs on her. That's what they find her.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Does her headgear not cover her eyes?

SPEAKER_04 55:44

Doesn't really, right? Not entirely.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

But isn't like the whole point of this organization asking for a specific thing to happen in someone's eyes? So surely dressing them up like stripper Iron Man Arc like Mark One doesn't help.

SPEAKER_03 56:05

Yeah, I think this lady is far gone. I think they were just keeping her until they had a new person, basically.

SPEAKER_00 56:16

But like it seems like these people for I I don't get the the feeling that we do this for fun. To them, it's like out of necessity. We see this as a necessary thing that we have to do, and this is just this weird infrastructure we've set up for it.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

Well, maybe they're still running tests on her, or they really are just trying to find the next person and haven't yet.

SPEAKER_00 56:42

Oh, we skipped past the the Louvre of almost dead people. With some fucking freaky looking eyes.

SPEAKER_04 56:53

Wait, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 56:55

She goes through her little resident evil hallway and they've got these like wall displays of like almost dead children.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

Oh, I didn't gap that at all.

SPEAKER_00 57:07

Not the best um you know, in interior design decision. I personally wouldn't go for it.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

No, I don't think it gives you the right mood.

SPEAKER_00 57:22

Maybe in like a more artistic way, like if it was a cool painting of it, perhaps. But the actual photos themselves, I feel like that may cause bad vibes if I ever invite someone over.

SPEAKER_03 57:37

Oh yeah, these photos are the people with their eyes.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

I suppose it's in the goon cave, innit? No one's gonna see it.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

No.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

Sure, probably you want, I suppose. Yeah, I'm looking at the lady, she's got her she's got her eyes covered. You ain't how are you supposed to tell if she's reaching martyrdom?

SPEAKER_03 57:56

I I think they're just long gone on that one. You know, I think maybe it was it's been a week or two since they put that thing on her, and they're trying to figure out what other tests they can run on her before they kill her, because they don't have anyone else to use right now.

SPEAKER_00 58:12

I do like that we decided that she should keep her hair. They appreciated how nice this lady's hair was and went, okay, she's the one. We'll let her we'll take a little bit of the scalp, but not at all, so she can still have that.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

Flip side, did they say, Oh, this lady's hair is not valuable enough to her?

SPEAKER_00 58:34

They found a photo of her with a skin head a few years back, and they're like, ah, it's not gonna do anything. But yeah, I I I need to wonder how they did the makeup of her, because surely it's not full-body makeup. I feel like this has to be like a a suit of some kind.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

It's a good question.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

She's also really skinny. She's real skinny.

SPEAKER_04 58:57

Yeah, that's what I was thinking about while I was watching it.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

But yeah, this is I feel the met I get we probably had to do it. I'd imagine censorship issues probably aren't going to let this amount of violence and complete female nudity get away without being like unrated or X-rated. So I get why we had to add the metal underpants. But at the same time, I think we look pretty fucking goofy.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

They do, they're kind of space agy.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

We don't even look like they fitter. Why do you give our granny pants? You gonna release like streamlined them?

SPEAKER_04 59:41

How did those stay on?

SPEAKER_00 59:43

I assume bolted on like the like the headpiece.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Yeah, I guess so. I tell you what, those would still fall off at some point. Those bolts would not hold in your skin and bones forever, right? Especially if you're not getting enough nutrients.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

Nah, I feel like there's little holes in like your hip bones, aren't you? If you screwed something through that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

Is that not when even with your hip bones moving around, something wouldn't break off eventually?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

Well, I don't think she's being too mobile, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:16

True.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:18

When would she doing her daily sprints? Her burpees. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

Good cardio.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

Treating her well with the green slop.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

Oh my god. That scene of her cutting her wrist is really rough. Trying to peel the skin off.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

But yeah, I do I do like that this is supposed to parallel um Lucy's trauma with not helping the girl. I wonder if it's the same girl, because they do look incredibly similar.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:53

They do look like I've thought that both times, but it can't be, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:58

No, obviously I'm not meaning like it's the same woman 15 years later, or if that's what they were meaning, that's a bit fried. But I wonder if it's just the same actress we've got in for both of it to help make it. It's not no. It must just be a good uh well, I know they use prosthetics in this, so maybe it's a new face.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:22

Maybe. If it looks similar, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

But yeah, this is the main scene, but I remember when first watching it, I was like, okay, that's a little that was putting me off a little bit. Removal of the screws from inside of the head was a bit. I wasn't a f I don't know, maybe it's because I get migraines I'm more susceptible to going ouch head pain.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:46

No, that that one is rough. That's the most like visceral image that's not something that's something new, I guess. You know, like the wrist cutting stuff is all really effective, but it's also very rote. Not rote, but You've seen it. You've seen some version of it before. The you know staples in your skull is rough.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

I also see the the moment I was discussing earlier in the Discord where it was like, oh, it's funny, I was talking about Mars, then immediately found a giant, imposing, obscenely large screwdriver, it looks identical to the one used in this.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:29

I was just like, That's good luck, I think. You gotta keep that around.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:35

Maybe it's just one of those. See, we get the philosophy that because the full universe is made of energy and energy moves in patterns that on a macro scale it affects the like on a giant scale, so the universe moves in like rhythms and there's patterns and shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

Or might just Yeah, so one of those is screwdriver.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

Yeah, one of those is the universe has placed a screwdriver bear because it knew and I was watching Mars today.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:05

I think that's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

Just something a little a little bit spooky to um to spice up the day.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:13

There's something really grim about Lucy getting buried in the hole along with everyone who was already in the house. Like that these people coming in uh have we talked about the the group of people that have invaded the home yet? I don't think we've actually talked about them yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:39

We haven't no, we we've just been talking about um our our poor torture bullying here.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

Yeah, so the lady she gets her uh her skull you know, skull cap taken off, and then starts running around the house, like banging into things. She takes a knife and starts to cut her wrists, but like shaving the skin off. Uh and she's just having a miserable time generally. Do you have any other comments on this lady before we move past her sequence?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:15

Um no, mostly just the fact that um the the feeling of bugs crawling over your skin is a genuine psychological issue that certain people have, and I found that is a it's a very cool um little thing that they took from. It's like an actual thing that happens to people. Oh, slight side note. I remember as a child finding a Freddie Krueger comic book and being like, oh, but isn't this cool? And the story was about him making a man itch so bad in like the dream world that in the real world he couldn't stop scratching at his skin, and he was he was like using knives and blades to flay himself to bits.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:00

Dude, I fucking hate that.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:02

And it was very, it was very I remember this isn't met as fuck for comic book, goddamn.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:09

As someone with a skin condition who scratches myself in my sleep and then wakes up with cuts. That's horrible, that's so scary.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

I think well maybe maybe Freddie's got it in for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:20

Maybe. Oh no. That's a that's a fun idea. You could do some cool imagery with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

Uh oh well, I mean you you could actually do that. See if you wanted to move Freddy Krueger out of Elm Street. The whole thing of Freddy Kruger gets his power from the fear of people. Guarantee if anyone lived up there's an Elm Street near me in Glasgow. I guarantee kids that heard of the Freddy Krueger and Elm Street legend would be like, Well, I live on an Elm Street, that's scary. And then he could use that fear to get into other Elm Streets.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

Yeah, that'd be cool. And then people in cities would hear about this creepy guy who's at every Elm Street in the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

Yeah, and it would spread. That would be uh you could get you could make him international. I was trying to think of where you would put 'em, but like I can't think of anywhere where Freddie wouldn't just be racist towards the Oh yeah, I was also just gonna say that would make for an insane like found footage contagion movie. Where it's like an itch so bad that people are hacking themselves to bits. Oh, that'd be cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:38

That's sort of launch a kickstarter.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:41

One more time. For mmm oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:53

For some reason my brain with pins and needles, which isn't an itching sensation, but it is a sensation in the body.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

Grumblebees. Grumblebees. Grumblebees.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

How does that relate in any way to the concept of the film?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:09

Nah, grumble because they're hungry. And bees because there's a lot of them that are buzzing around.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:15

So is it the bees that spread this disease?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:18

No, no, no. There's no bees.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:21

There's no bees?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:23

No, there's no bees. It's just people.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:25

Well, there's one right in the title, Chris. You just said there's one in the title.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:29

No, the the people are the bees. It's metaphorical.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

It's a metaphorical bee. From Gumblebee, the alter ego of Gumbus the cat in her Bumblebee costume. What? Okay, Wells.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:57

Oh great. Okay. Sounds good. Alright, well, these people come into the house and they shoot this lady in the head. And then they start taking Anna captive. And before anything else, they have two people out in the yard bury all the bodies. Which is what I was mentioning earlier. It's just. It's a grim moment because it really paints the point of what was meant to happen in this house has happened. That is over. Anna should not have come here. This whole thing is concluded and she's stuck here now, and there's nobody else that can help her. It really makes it feel dire.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:41

Yeah, I love how methodical their entrance is. Because you don't even hear them come in. It's bang. Then there's already four people in the house. The bodies are instantly being cleaned up, and she's already on top of Anna making sure she can't leave.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:58

It's very professional done. It makes you know that this is a thing that has happened many, many times. Hold on, I'm trying to send stuff in chat, and it keeps popping up Craig stuff, and I'm like, I don't want to end this recording, please know for the love of God.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:14

For the love of God, don't end this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:18

I was about to say it's saying press slash to start recording, but it says started recording an hour and a half ago, so I'm just not I'm late. I've draw I'm not gonna send you a nap. Hold on. I'm going to Yeah, we're definitely recording. Okay, I was so scared. I'm going to our DMs and you will see Gumblebee and all her glory.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:42

Yeah, as I was saying, I love how because it it shows that this is like not how we can see.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:54

Yeah, or let's just make a movie about Gumblebee. Big eyes. I love Gumblebee.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:00

Huge eyes. Actually, too much pressure behind her eyes. She has to go to the vet for it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:04

Oh really? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:07

Yeah. Oh, but if we're going to internet cat talk, there's a s uh Sir a second Gumbus has hit the tower. There's a there's a new cat that looks identical to Gumbus called Goblin.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:22

Goblin?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:23

Called Goblin. Goblin and Gumbus. They're both basically the same cat, and I love both of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

Goblin cat. Oh if I search that I get a type of cat.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:34

Yeah, people's by now on Insta or on uh Facebook, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:42

What Goblin the Cat?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:46

Yeah. He's adorable. Okay, but anyway, these people were in. You you wanted to talk about uh Lucy being put with the bodies?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:55

Yes. Yeah, it's uh it's just a a good way to close out the first two acts of the movie, basically. It not even acts. The movie doesn't really run. I mean that is what it is, but it also you know it feels like another episode. It doesn't feel like a concluding act or uh sort of something flowing into the next the way a movie normally does. Anyway, it it closes it. It thematically shifts.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:37

What?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:38

Yeah, this is when I said they pull a cycle on you, this is when the protagonists get swapped out. How you thought this was the protagonist, aren't you a dumbass? It's actually this problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:49

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:50

But also they're not the protagonist because they're not the hero, they're now just about to be tortured for 40 minutes in joy. But this is where we just get the introduction of Madame Madame Cell? Is that how you pronounce her name?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:06

I don't have her name.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:09

We'll call her Madame, because I feel like that's her it's something similar. I like I like her design. She seems like she would be just someone's granny. I find that quite fun that that's the the main villain. It's just a little old woman. But she does have like a uh like a very intimidating air about her. She's played incredibly well.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:34

She's really she has great makeup, like her whole character design is really well put together.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:40

Yeah, this do it's it's one thing about this film. The character designs were not obviously it's not like this isn't fucking the MCU. It's not like people run about in incredible cause, but everyone's very visually distinct. Like you could show me a wardrobe and I would go, oh, that would be that character's wardrobe.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:00

True, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

But yeah, I so this is when we get the the ethos, the pathos, what one of that's the correct one? The os, we get the os of this this little organization where she explains the uh the ethos methods in which we use Yeah, the ethos to to why why why this whole situation's going on, which is and the they seem not tied to any specific religion but more just uh the belief that there is something after death and when the human body pushed to its extreme edge on the verge of death, people some people have like the potential to be in an in-between state where we can see into the afterlife, and they're trying to figure out what that is. And I get as we're speaking, I'm looking at Madame's little glasses, and they're so fucking sick, my god. I love those little glasses, even a little, a little I like it, it it it's not perfect, but towards the end of the movie where she's taking off her makeup and she takes off uh her hair extension, which you don't you can't even see if you've got her hair poking out of her uh like little head towel she's got going.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:38

This is for her.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:39

But she's like it just like adds to the character, like she's she's always got this makeup on, she's very well dressed, she has this little bit of fake hair, she's she's got a focus on self. She's I don't want to say hedonistic, it's not the right word. What's the word I'm looking for here?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:58

Yeah, I didn't want to say vain because you know she just looks good. There's nothing I don't want to inherently cast a negative shadow on just taking care of your appearance, but there is definitely attention drawn to her and the amount of time she spends being presentable and keeping up with the world, I guess. Yeah, you know, the point when she takes everything off is oh, this wasn't worth it.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:35

And I don't if any other characters in the film have makeup on, it's very, very subtle, it's very natural makeup, she's the only one with like actual makeup on. I suppose it just adds to like her her her level of prestige, I guess, amongst the rest of them. She's very well kept.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

Yeah, it really makes her pop. It looks good.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:00

I also find I I like uh it's a good idea for um uh a torture film to push people to the very edge of life to try and see into death. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:13

That's so s yeah, it really is.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:17

And you know the fucked up thing, most of the directors talking about who he wrote this script incredibly fast, he just got a phone call by a studio going, We like your movies, can you make us a genre film? And he was like, You'll bet.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:32

I know any move the best Trinity movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:35

He was very suicidal at the time, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:39

Oh, I don't know about that, but I feel like that comes through a lot. Yeah. So this is this isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:48

It's basically a movie about two people killing themselves and then the second person at the very end going, you know what, you don't even want to know. It you know, being alive is worse than dying, so just don't kill yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:04

No, but it's it's like it's even uh indicative of Lucy's character how she has a horrifically traumatic thing happen to her, and she just seemingly never recovers from it, and she's just trapped in that cycle of violence until she ends up in the exact same position as the people that influpted violence on her.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

Both completely wrecked. Yeah. And both are now dead in the exact same place, just rotting in a back garden. Which I suppose is when you get Anne's her her vet her minuscule, her tiny tiny little win with during her torture scenes. Seemingly she just goes, Do you know what I can fuck with these people is like a last uh a last resort. Like I I know I'm trapped here, so I'm I'm going I'm going to fucking ruin this person's life. Which good way to go out. I suppose that could also be seen as a form of martyrdom. That she knows she's going to die, so she's going to use her last moment as like a way to stand up against the people doing this to her.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:25

You think she lied when she whispered?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:28

What do you mean she lied? You don't you don't hear what she said?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:32

No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:35

No, but that's what I'm saying, you don't. And that's very, very purposeful.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:40

Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, but you think that it was a a ruse is what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:46

Maybe. But that's the thing you Okay, we'll talk about that when we get to Yeah, we'll get to it. Torture, we have the most annoying form of torture I think I've ever seen in a movie, which is just a man comes in and slaps you every time you move. How fucking infuriating is a torture method.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:09

And then he just stands around and waits for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:13

It's not even over going to inflict pain in you, it's we're going to inflict pain and be a dickhead.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:22

It doesn't work for like pushing the body because you would get really fucking angry so fast. You would burn out of all your energy. But yeah, I feel like I mean I suppose she I mean it's not not particularly positive, but I suppose at least she gets some fast torture. She gets beaten a bit and starved and her hair shaved. But it seems to be like maybe over a week, two weeks. Enough time to clean the house. They did a good job at cleaning up the house, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:57

Hmm. Yeah, that's true. Very, very efficient. Probably called those John Wick guys in.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

I don't know if you get this in America, but do you have you ever had 60-minute makeover?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:09

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:10

Uh well the premise of the show is people that have a kind of messy or unkempt house or have or just like lower income people that don't like can't afford new furniture or to look after things in the house. Their family convince them to stay out of the house for they say an hour, but it's always clearly like a full day and we just lie, but we'll see an hour. And then they get a full team in to completely make over our households they're away and they do a big reveal. It sounds like a nice thing, but see if I left my house for an hour and came back and all my furniture had been replaced with new shit, I would be so fucking upset. I'd be like, what what the fuck's your issue?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:57

We have home improvement, which is I guess our version of that, which takes longer. It's like a week or so that they're out of the house and they build a whole new house, which I'm sure has worse property taxes once they're done with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:11

Yeah, I I think I remember, aren't most of the houses like barely fit for use and like incredibly dangerous?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:19

I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:22

It's like the the classic pimp my ride where the cars are just barely usable by the end of it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:29

Because they're putting swings in them or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:32

Yeah, to be fair, I would say if I came back and someone had installed a swing set in my room, I would be very happy.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:38

Yeah, I'd be chuffed.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:41

I was also uh it's also asking for an injury. Because you know at some point your ass is falling off in that swing.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:48

Yeah, it's like a trampoline.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:50

You've heard I feel like trampoline shouldn't be legal because you can jump up high enough that you can just break a bone by landing. That's not just die. Uh I once jumped in a trampoline and one of the springs on the outside ripped went flying into the air and smashed me in the head. Fuck. I've had a lot of stories there.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:15

Knew someone who broke their leg because it got stuck in the crevice of a trampoline when they fell down.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:24

Oh like a proper snap snap.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:29

I don't remember. I don't think it was that bad. No, it definitely wasn't that bad.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:35

But I'd use that same I had used that same trampoline. Oh good god. I was thinking like full-on compound fracture level.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:46

No, thank god. No, no. Fracture.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:52

The momentum of the trampoline wouldn't stop right away, so you'd get like a little bang when you're broken.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:58

Fucking hell. It might just rip your leg off.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:02

Oh that's gross. A lot of this episode just been mean moaning and discomfort.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:10

That's a good horror episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:14

The worst torture they do to her is like feeding her guacamole slightly too fast for her to eat it.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:23

You're so right, that definitely is guacamole. Oh my god. There's like no other food substance that's that green.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:30

I don't know. A wasabi?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:33

Oh fuck that no, that would be see if someone was just force feeding you piles of wasabi. That would fuck you up so bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:41

That's fucked. I could see it being wasabi. I don't know what else it would be besides those two.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:47

Think of a diarrhea afterwards, good god.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:53

Your ass would feel like fucking Elon Musk's flamethrower. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:01

The one that would drive me nuts also is getting my hair cut while my guy is shoving my head around. That would make me really angry.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:08

See if you're gonna torture me and cutting my hair is the worst one you're gonna go for, it's kinda chill.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:15

But shoving my head around like that, I would get really pissed.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:19

I would get pissed, but I'd take out over the fucking guacamole.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:23

Fair.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:25

You ever ever had avocado passport? It's like the worst dish you ever had in your life. That sounds horrible. Yeah, I had an ex make that once, and I had to pretend it was nice, and it was it was one of the worst culinary experiences I've I've had in my life.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:41

Oh my god, I thought you were just making that up.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:44

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:45

That sounds disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:47

Avocado slop with pasta.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:50

That's it. You just like put an avocado in the pasta and you mush it around.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:56

Yeah, you like season it and stuff. It's not good, it's not good. But anyway. On to the worst torture that this poor girl uh has to go through. The very famous scene. But I will say I feel is a little lackluster compared to what people make it out to be. The flaying. We love a good flay. You don't see too many flayings.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:22

No. Thankfully.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:25

I can only really think of this and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And I feel like Buffy the Vampire Slayers was much No, haven't spiced in Buffy Show. Um, a guy gets his skin like just wrapped up in one go, and then there's a little goblin man that paralyzes people that like slowly like strips off flesh to eat.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:47

What the fuck is going on in Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:51

Buffy gets fucked up in the later seasons.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:53

Oh, what the hell? I started it at some point, but I couldn't get into the first season.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:59

Wentworth Miller's like a gay shark, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:03

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:07

Yeah, he's like he's like a little he's like a little uh gay high school boy, and then everyone's like, it's okay, you can come out as what you are. And he's like, no, but I'm secretly a little shark boy with these people.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:21

Oh hell yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:23

There's some good shit in Buffy, you should get to buff there's a there's a haunted house that takes energy from orgasms, and then Buffy and her bumper can't stop fucking for like an hour straight. It's called a poltergasm, which is quite fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:40

Okay, hell yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:42

There's also a cyborg with like a laser minigun at one point. I think I was really bad. I was not a good not a good there's invisible sex in Buffy, there's a lot of strange sex in Buffy. Interesting, you want to watch a wave production.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:56

Sure, why not?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:58

Yeah. I I feel like the flaying is I get they're trying to do the less is more on the showing, but you don't get good de-glovings in cinema. Degloving is like the one of the worst things.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:14

You want to see the skin departing the other skin?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:18

Uh yeah, I want to see it like slop off.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:22

I remember in in high school. I knew some strange people, and there were some people that would go, Have you ever seen this fucked up de-gloving video? and I'd get random horrible shit sent to me. You ever seen someone de-glove their fingers in the ring?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:36

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:38

No, never were your ring too tight. You end up with like a little a little meat sausage and a bone.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:44

Oh my god. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:56

Nope. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:58

There was a very good blinking. You'll miss it, de-gloving and that.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:02

Oh shit. Alright. I'm trying to think of there's a de-gloving I can think of in a movie with a handcuff, but that's not coming to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:12

Is it Hitcher, maybe? Or does he just break his hand in it? Haven't have a I want to say Law Abiding Citizen, but I think that's also just Jared Butler and handcuffs like in the Hitcher.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:25

Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:28

Is there not a flaying in Law Abiding Citizen? Hmm. Ooh. He's definitely taking a few.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:35

Well, he tortures a guy at the start, but I don't think he flays him. Ah boo.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:41

Well no, Joe, we've we've already we've had we've had a de-gloving in our very first episode. Oh shit. And then he gets by his hand peeled, and then he gets his face gone. I don't think you can consider your face being de-gloved though. I guess just taking your face off.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:00

Yeah. That's just you don't have a face anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:04

I feel like if you de-glove a uh a head, then you're just a skeleton and dead. You're not really de-gloved.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:15

I guess not.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:17

That's too much philosophy for me at midnight.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:24

Anatomy philosophy.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:26

But especially your opinion on the flay.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:31

The flay is good. It it looks good.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:33

It looks it's uncomfortable to look at.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:37

Yeah, but one thing I think really I'm like, that's a bit this is the second time I've used grotty, but I'm gonna go with grotty because I think there's a good adjective for it. But the the raw feet touching the floor, that doesn't look that doesn't seem nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:52

No, the the whole like raw appendages touching things is so awful. Like you know that's gotta hurt because what's her face was screaming in the bathtub when just a little bit of exposed skin was touching the water.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:07

Okay, now this is where my earlier research I mentioned came in. Apparently, if in a surgical setting, from what I've seen, a lot of people theorize, because funnily enough, getting entirely bodily skinned is not a very common occurrence. You probably would like a parasite or something for like they say a few hours if you're lucky or unlucky, maybe a couple of days in a completely sterile environment. Apparently, apparently, apparently, the worst part about it is hypothermia exposure because your body wouldn't be able to circulate heat, so you would be fucking freezing. Oh, that's horrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:55

Hence why we give her a little tumble to to to stay modest in.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:01

Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:03

I'm I'm fighting my throat going away, and I can feel stomach acid coming up. I'm so I'm so glad we're we're closing up on this. But so she she seems to reach enlightenment on her little her little saw rack.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:19

It's a great shot pushing into her eyes.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:22

Yeah, we go, Oh, she's she's a martyr. Get the Madame woman and we seem to fall a party, which I think is a very strange and we start we start setting up with this little gathering. We see we see Anne whisper into the madam's ear something. I say this this combined with the end is the like top five horror movie endings just ever. It's so good.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:53

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:55

That's a great it's like pushing out of Lovecraftian horror.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:02

Like how do you violent torture flip to like existential pondering so quickly? Chris, what do you think our home girl said to the Madame?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:16

Uh my interpretation comes from the vibe of the movie, sort of working through the aesthetic of the movie. I feel like uh Hellraiser. Like she sees Hellraiser is all that happens after you die, basically.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:37

See, the the my understanding of it is no matter what she saw, it doesn't matter because okay, take say their philosophy is true, and there is this sort of religious afterlife. Madame now knows that she's done all these horrible things and the afterlife is real. So she's fucked. On the other side, if it's not real, she's done all these horrible things, and the afterlife doesn't fucking exist. So she's fucked.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:15

Which is why it's it's such I don't know how this man's just what this ending out of his ass. Because we get we get the the the party where her little waiter is trying to retrieve her from the bathroom as she takes off her makeup.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:29

This is very funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:31

And oh, what's what's the exact well I know the end line we'll talk about this a little bit more. I'll fast forward it to get to it as we we talk about it, but like it's I it's like can you imagine what's after death?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:44

Like keep imagining.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:48

Can you imagine what's what happens after we die? And he goes, uh no. And she goes, Well, keep doubting. Yes, she blows the back of our head off.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:02

So good.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:03

Such a good line. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:07

It's what's funny is that she calls him back. He almost walks away, and then she calls him back down the hallway to ask him out.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:15

But like, what does that even mean? Does she mean keep doubting, as in like doubting the existence of an afterlife, as in hinting that this was all for nothing? Or is she like, okay, we're we're f this is horrendous, we're all beyond foot religion is real. Just just keep doubting, just pretend that doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:41

Yes, that's how I interpret it. Is oh my god, we don't even know. I take it as a Lovecrafty unending, pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:52

But it's I it's so good because no matter what your your takeaway from it, her actions are completely valid and make sense for the narrative. There's not there's nothing in this film that you can grasp on and be like, oh, it's probably this or it's probably this. Everything works cohesively.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:13

Yeah, it's very well put together. I didn't even fully clock that until you said it.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:19

And then like, say there is an afterlife. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean uh Lucy is forever trapped in this torment. She probably will not find peace, which is a bit shit. But on the plus side, Anne. Well, I suppose she did help um hide a child's body with a shotgun hole in it. Like, so maybe she's not gone either.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:43

She tried to help that lady as scared.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:45

Okay, probably no one's winning then. I think I think Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:51

She enabled Lucy to kill two children.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:55

Yeah, she didn't know she was gonna- I wonder if God works as like a guilty by association thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:01

Yeah, I'm wondering too. Is he a cop about it?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:04

Maybe he's gonna chill though. Maybe he's like, okay, you did this bad thing, so this is now your punishment for it. You're here with these people, and then you get to reach enlightenment.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:16

Uh this kid gets to shoot you 20 times with a shotgun, and then you're good.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:21

You know what? I feel like I'd rather get shot 20 times by a shotgun, so I'm just like in pieces and then come back rather than 20 times with a handgun. Because I'm still mostly intact, I feel like I'd suck to move.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:34

Yeah, then my I mean it depends on how you get-if you get shot dead with the shotgun, then yes. But either would hurt.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:43

You ever had keyhole surgery?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:46

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:47

Oh, I had keyhole surgery. I have so many random stories. But I already have four holes. It's where rather than it was in my abdomen, so rather than completely open my abdomen to do surgery, they punk they like make four different incisions. One with like a flashlight, one pumping air in to open it up, and then the other two for like surgical tools to reach in and wiggle about. So I went with four holes in the stomach, and she trying to fucking move whilst that's healing, it sucked so bad. And I didn't think about it, I was I saw someone talking about it the other week where they're like, Yeah, you're essentially feeling what being stabbed four times in the stomach would feel like, you know, yeah, okay, that kind of checks as to why that sucked so much. That's horrible. Reveal you weren't a good grizzly fact. Um the second I got from my like back to the hospital bed from the surgery, I remember going, oh fuck, my stitches have ripped, and the the liquid from my stomach had mixed with the blood. So there was just this watery blood soaking me everywhere. Ew. But I got fixed up pretty quick.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:02

Good, okay. I'm glad.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:06

But yeah, on a fun note. Uh Mars.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:11

Martyrs, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:12

There's not much. I don't want to make too many jokes on the end of this. There's not much else. Uh if you have any thoughts, email in at the uncannyvalleypodcast at gmail.com. Follow us at the uncannyvalleypod on Instagram, reach out, give us ideas, send us whatever, or read out some emails on the podcast. Next week, we're doing The House at the End of Time, which is also on Tubi.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:40

Also, we we we we do our little recommendations now, Chris. You wanted us to be a thing. Chris, who would you recommend this movie to?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:50

I would recommend this movie to someone who wants their limits tested. Probably maybe not someone who has been doing that for a while. I'm sure you could recommend a lot more. But for someone who's into horror and getting more into horror and is trying to see where the barriers are for them, this is a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:16

I'd evidently say if you're going to recommend this to someone, anyone who's trying to get into French horror, I feel like this is a staple that kind of just cannot be ignored. Um anyone that wants to see, like, probably what the I don't want to say the limits, because obviously we don't know the limits, but so far what the best possible potential of a genre like French Extremity or Torture Porn or whatever exploitation you wanna you wanna label this as how something that you can take something that is typically just a genre film and is seen as trashy and not something typically used of any worth and with just like a very small moment make it like one of the best horror movies of the modern era. Just with a little just with a little little sauce added on on the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:19

A little bit of sauce, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:23

Also, if you're into some flaying, if you if you've if you've been missing out on good flays, it's kind of alright one.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:29

Just go body horror. If you like body horror, it's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:33

I feel like you don't get the body horror towards the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:37

Yeah, it's not uh intense, grotesque body horror, but they give you good moments. It's a good suggestive body horror.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:46

Also, if you just want I suppose good vibes and bad vibes. I like the the kind of happy guitar music.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:58

True, yeah. Even it's weird how they overlay the happy music over the torture. It works.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:06

Yeah, I forgot the happy music was in the film, and I put on the Blu-ray, and I was like, oh, that's a fun little thing they did for the menu. But now it's in the film. Whatever the fuck you've chosen. And then he ended the month we're finally doing backrooms. I'm so excited to revisit backrooms.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:27

Hell yeah. And check it.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:31

Go. Oh, I don't know where to cut it and then I cut it right.