UV22 - The Backrooms Part 1 (ongoing)

Join charlie and chris in preparation for the upcoming movie as they no-clip out of reality for Chris's first analogue horror series 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Yes. As I walk through the uncanny valley of death, you shall fear medical. For I am medieval.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

The backrooms, it's one of your favorite big found footage series. Or not found footage, uh analog horror.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

I mean I would say it's it's mostly it's like 50% found footage. It's a good combo of the both, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Yeah, there's a lot of found footage.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

And like informational shite. You can tell it's like you could argue that they're all found footage in a sense. All of them are footage have been found. So Chris, Mr. Your first foray into analog horror? Do you any prior knowledge of any analog horror outside of the interesting?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Uh I wanted to read more about what happened in this than I did, but I guess I should have asked. I wasn't entirely sure if that would ruin you know the experiment here, my exposure to it. So I didn't read the Wikipedia about everything that's going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

To be fair, Rob, is that why?

SPEAKER_01 1:36

There's stuff I picked up. It's not like I don't understand anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Uh but I don't think it's like adds a bit. Why were they hitting the XQE s like screen?

SPEAKER_02 1:52

I'm not gonna be able to.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

I've got a soundboard for that, hold on. Chris, did you find out if soundboards work in the recording? Or did you did you not know?

SPEAKER_02 2:01

I didn't check.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

But yeah, I feel like this as one of the more straightforward ones. There's definitely more obtuse analog horror, and I suppose depending on how much you like this.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

My favorite two things are that sort of the subplot, the corporate subplot to make low rent housing effectively. You know, like housing with no overhead, you don't have to pay to build it for the most part, just to furnish it. And office space. Uh and I also liked there is one episode that's I think even notated as a music video. That was really cool.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

As a music video.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

There's there's one in the in the playlist on YouTube that has a a music symbol next to the runtime. And it was a lot more music focused. It it was like a lot of faces of scientists and heavy music overhead.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Oh, you're thinking of that's not that's not that's it doesn't seem music video, it says March. It's a date, Chris. It's March 11 underscore 90 underscore archive dot tar. It's it's a video video format.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

That's not the one that um Alright, I'll find it and I'll get back to you.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

But see, you can find it, but I guarantee you're gonna get to it and you're gonna be like, you were so right. Yeah, the music sick, Caden does it all himself.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

It is Yeah, he does.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Man's got albums of just liminal backrooms music. Cool. Insane for being it would have been 16 when that came out. Not only does he know how to make uh insane ambient music, but he can also just do this in Blender.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Which Yeah, that's remarkable.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

There's many VFX teams must be he must have a uh hate hard on watching this man's footage. But he can make photo realism in Blender and then go, Oh yeah, but don't worry, I'm also gonna add realistic camera motions to make it a perfect found footage video.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Yeah, it's really impressive what he's able to accomplish. Especially over time, you know, once he gets it seems like a couple more people involved, but it sort of what he's able to accomplish increases exponentially.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, there's definitely a shift as it goes on, especially with like as you see him start to pull in like actual actors. But the thing is before you see actors and you see human bodies moving about in suits, that is somehow also CGI. You just got someone else to rig the motion for it. You can notice it a little bit, like specifically the we're just gonna have to jump about here because not even the episodes are in a linear fashion. So us trying to go linear is uh above and beyond our pay grade, I would say. But the episode where the government research team finds the perfect square holes and one falls down it, you can see for 100% sure that that is not realistic human motion when that first guy walks over it. He's gonna do an old one is so bad compared to everything else.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

But you're also or I was at least pretty forgiving of it. Because everything else looks so good.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Okay, so the format, Chris, this will be something that's new to you. How were you liking the format of the episodes?

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Before I'll answer that right after the episode I was thinking about was Report.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Report?

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah. That one it's very music-heavy. And there's a lot of screens of people, you know, watching input uh things happening. I don't remember specifically what happens. I just watch all of this in a row, so I I don't remember specifically what happens in every episode. Um but I do like the adjustment between episodes. I like that there's short ones for sort of exposition, and it reminded me of it reminded me of Lost a little bit, the Dharma initi initiative in Lost in Lost. Uh there's uh I don't know if you've seen that, but there's a very similar organization that has all these training videos. I'm also playing control right now. It reminded me of uh these tapes you listen to in control.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Oh, it's so similar to control, isn't it? The big liminal rooms and the the infinite hallways and shit. Aw, it's such a perfect time for you to be playing it. Speaking of perfect timing, Chris, the backrooms trailer drops like six hours after this episode comes out.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Oh hell yeah. Well I'll watch that tomorrow. I haven't seen the teaser yet. I didn't want to let the teaser influence my experience with the the actual backrooms series.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Well, I presume you've heard of the backrooms before watching this. It became like a a big meme.

SPEAKER_01 7:36

I have, and I've seen I'm pretty sure the whole first episode before. I didn't remember that he falls out of the sky, but I remember the beginning of it.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Did you remember the big bacteria monster? No, I didn't. I love the big bacteria monster. It's so freaky. It's kind of cute.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

It is, and it also it's of its limitations. To me, that's the other element that feels hokey and like it is under constraints, but I also don't mind because it looks really good and it's designed with the constraints in mind.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Yeah, I feel that's one of the things you you you realize as you're watching it, is like this is a prime example of taking what you can use and making a film with that. But it's just he got so much support in such a short period of time. You can see the drastic and like improvements that can be made with him getting more people in on the team and more money put into this. But even he doesn't really need money put into this. Like from episode one, it was like above and beyond everything you'll usually see on YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Yeah, it's fantastic. The first one is a great little short film, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

So with the the formatting, how are you feeling with episodes being less of like linear devices and more like there is a story going on, but you're just getting bits and pieces and clues of it as it goes along?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

I think it makes it more interesting, and it's it's also why I didn't wind up looking anything up. I did start to and then didn't really commit to it because the storytelling is so based in only giving you bits and pieces for everything. Uh I like that. I like that the the format changes for different episodes. I watched up through found footage too for context. I like that they kind of return to the f format of the first episode. And I assume they do the same for found footage three, but in more of a movie sense.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

I can only assume again, I thought I had seen all of this, and it turns out I haven't. I can but I like the way it always seems to return to the quite simple person with camera exploring the bathrooms. Because really that's kind of what you want to see.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

You know it's and it's effective somehow.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

And you know there's nothing there.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

But I want to know what's further. And I think it's it's so simple just with because everything's so blank, having just slight environmental changes makes you go, oh shit, what's about to happen?

SPEAKER_01 10:40

And having yeah, exactly, and having slides and things that don't quite fit into the office space that it sort of feels like.

SPEAKER_00 10:50

Well, with the the sort of office space that you're talking about, did you without having to look at the descriptions and timestamps and that, did you pick up on that time doesn't seem to work accurately?

SPEAKER_01 11:05

No, it didn't. When how does that manifest?

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Well there's two well uh I'll give you three examples of it because there's three main big ones. The first episode, when you see the kids playing before um our our poor main character falls into the null zone that takes him into the backrooms. He's he's filming that video with his friends, and if you pause it, you'll notice on the clipboard it it's dated 1991. Now the video is from 1996. So that's your first little clue of all the time times times a little fucky, but I mean that could just be uh an upload error, you don't know. Then we get the government um well both examples come from the government research team. You'll get in one of the informational videos that these teams go in as a group of three, and when you first see them explore the backrooms, you'll go, oh, there's three people. Until that one goes round that corner and then he sees his team walk by, and you'll notice oh, there's three of them. Now by the time that he gets found when he returns to that little door window, three months has passed and the ten minutes that he's been lost.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

I didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

And uh I didn't quite process that it was three people that walked past. I did love that moment where he watches them disappear though while they're walking by.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Yeah, I gotta say on first watch, that wasn't something I picked up either. I had to watch other people's videos on it. But I remember this time on the watch going, oh, there should be groups of three people. And then going, wait, the three people just walk past him? The the time dilation flash, it's sick as fuck. I love the way the like all the the different rooms illuminate with colour, especially like as you get to the end of Found Footage 2, and it seems like maybe there's a second doorway being open to the back rooms, and there's that deep green glow that emanates through all the rooms before you see it taking place. Oh it just looks it's so pretty.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Yeah, there's a lot of good imagery. I like it sort of pretty but creepy. A lot of it's a good one you're specifically talking about.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Yeah, how does this type of horror work for you? Because for a lot of people, this is the creepiest shit we've ever seen, and then for others it's like it's just some runes, mate, in it.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Closer to the second, but not dismissive of it. You know, it works, it's just not I'm not terrified of it.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

You don't think this is a spooky scenario?

SPEAKER_02 14:07

There's alright, no spoilers.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

But there's a scenario in the last episode of the curse with Emma Stone and Nathan Fielder. That scenario is the scariest scenario I could think of. It's something I've been scared of since I was a kid.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Oh, you're gonna have to link me to that because I I have no idea what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

I don't want to ruin it for you.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Okay. That's strange because I feel like out of many horror scenarios, I feel like this is one of the worst ones to be in. Like, we just did Cloverfield, and people relate this a lot to Cloverfield by the way the camera movements and the old camera footage is like integrated. I would much rather take New York during Chloe's attack than be stuck in this place. Because it's like, what do you do once you're there? You're fucked. We're just it's infinite.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Yeah, you can try to find a bomb shelter in New York during Cloverfield. They just don't do that because they're always looking for somebody in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Yeah, but like in this, no one's looking for you. If you fall, you're gone. And it's either bacteria boy.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

There's a poster of a kid that fell in.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Yeah, a two-year-old. How are they gonna process this shit? Like kidnap me, stab me, send a ghost after me. Don't put me in this place because it's slow. That's the issue. Like you don't if bacteria boy comes. Okay, maybe maybe your best bet is you're getting eaten and it's quick. But if not, you're just slowly rotting and time doesn't work properly. So how long are you really stuck there?

SPEAKER_01 15:48

No clue, and there's not really a reliable way to end it for yourself. If that's what you decide to do, there's just like walls to bash your head against. There's not really anything you can do that's very effective.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

And you know what's gonna happen as soon as you bash your head? You're gonna hear coming from around the corner. No. You just made one big ass noise. I did see all there was there was such a fun fan theory that I saw, which is the reason that the government researchers are fine when they go in is because the creature obviously doesn't have eyes, so hypothetically it would have to smell you out. And with their big bio suits, they can't be smelt, which is why when you see normal people fall through null zones, the creature finds them a lot faster than typical.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

And you're not even dealing with bacteria boy in uh motion detected, there's like a big spider thing on the ceiling. I would take Big Bacteria Boy over Big Bacteria Spider.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

I What do you think happens if you don't move? When the guy in the first thing sees Bacteria Boy, he says a thing on the wall that says don't move. And he does move. Do you think if you don't move it doesn't kill you?

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Maybe it has a hard time searching you out?

SPEAKER_02 17:18

I don't know whether it's not find you, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:22

It could just be someone's insane ramblings of getting lost and being like, if you're if you know where you are, just stay po Maybe this whoever wrote this before doesn't know that the place is seemingly never-ending.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

It seems a little House of Leavesy, right? Like it just sprawls.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

It is very House of Leavesy.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

I haven't read it, no, but I have a I have an ex who's read some of it and I've seen I think it's called You'll Never Leave. There's a movie with Kevin Bacon and Amanda Seyfried that takes off a bit. So I'm aware of the idea of House of Leaves.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

I'm pretty sure at one point there is an infinite hallway. But even then, the infinite hallway with rooms, once you're in the hallway, you you have like somewhere to cement yourself. This is just like, oh, I'm back in the pool room again.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

You can't even drink the water.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Like you say, say you go, okay, I'm thirsty, I'm gonna drink the water. There's fucked up bacteria there. There's like mold bacteria, it doesn't work how it's supposed to work.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

It's gonna turn you into a big bacteria, man.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

I think I would look for null zones and like leave little fucking meet traps. I would have to like find wall planks and set up spike traps.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Would you just wind up using them as guinea pigs to see what's safe and what's not?

SPEAKER_00 19:06

I think after a certain point I would have you ever had one of those nightmares where you're trapped in a bad scenario and you go, Okay, I'm going to die if I do this thing, but then you get so built up with fear of that thing happening, you go, fuck it, I'm just going to end it quick.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

I feel like that would be me. I feel like I would find pots and start banging for Bacteria Boy to come fetch my ass.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

That's what I mean. Yeah, like there's no besides the guy coming against you, there's no way to reliably kill yourself here. You can bash your head into a wall, but you'll brain damage yourself enough that you'll be woozy and won't be able to finish it.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

It's like, okay, well you could hypothetically if you found the missing car that you find in found footage too that has seemingly entered the backrooms going about.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

That reminded me of as above so below.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Oh, it is very as above so below, but I feel like as above so below that's different because that's like okay, this is a car crash that has happened. And now there's a foot that is some poor bastard was driving on the motorway and all of a sudden a wall appeared within a split second.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Oh fuck. I didn't think about that. That's yeah. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Because you think about it, say you were running and you found a null zone. For all you know, your ass is just gonna be running and then all of a sudden there is a bacteria boy inches from your face.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

At least you're in running clothes and you're ready to run, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Do you think hypothetically, if you brought some antiseptic you could you could cleanse the backrooms?

SPEAKER_02 20:57

No.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

No?

SPEAKER_02 21:00

No.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

What about a big gun?

SPEAKER_02 21:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Ah, with New Yorker and you I'm running them with a Ferbreze. And you've got an M16.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Give me a Tommy gun.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

See, I feel like Tommy guns I feel like are cool aesthetically, but in actual practice they're a bit shit because there's nix to no handling on them. It's just a big wood plank.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

They're also pretty low caliber. You'd rather have something that shoots a large caliber round rather than something that shoots a bunch of low caliber bullets really fast.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

So an anti-tank rifle is your your desired weapon?

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Well, like a 50 cal well, no. I don't know if I can handle that, but like a 357 something. Some sort of magnum round or like a hunting rifle with a large chamber.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Your poor ass is gonna pop like pop your shoulder blade out mid running in.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

shooting you know that I can manage uh like a rifle that's that's chambered to to push the something that's chambered for one round I think most of the gas gets expelled out of the front which does have a lot of recoil but you know I I think I can manage it.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

What do you think you're hitting Bacteria Boy's thin little spine?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

I don't know if it would work. I just think I can manage that more than something like a even a revolver I think might actually break my wrist so I don't think I could manage that okay so Chris of the different we'll say vibes the different flavors of the back room what's what's your favorite one out of the lot honestly this is cheating and I can give you another answer but the the footage not in the backrooms but where they're trying to access the backrooms Oh with VSync and their different tests of the doorway. Yeah exactly it's like almost Stargate sort of facility see for me I think the sickest visuals of the entire thing is when the government researcher finds the like fake street with like a skybox put in and the flat trees no you're right that might that might win the fucking the the the different signs in the house all pointing to the nighthouse street I love the little thin corridor in the back as well do you think Bacteria Boy placed them maybe he's lonely maybe he's like well I just want to hunt yeah he's like I've set up these places no one comes to visit me anyone that does visit screams and shoots at me now he's mad like the poor guy he's got like a sore back you see him he hobbles I was annoyed with the guy who went into the red street area because he just kept going no it's okay let me just check this out I would have said fuck that let me get some backup let's get two more guys in here and then we'll go in no see him exploring I'm like fair enough because that looks cool I feel like I wouldn't be able to not look at the little street but do what pissed me off him going okay get the rope ready and I'll tell you when I need it and then not yelling to throw it down until he was at the hole.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Oh yeah I'd be like get that shit ready for me okay so Chris the backrooms we've you you brought up briefly that you know that the entire United States interest is about infrastructure and affordable housing.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Do you think they found the backrooms or do you think they created the backrooms I think I think they tapped into a liminal space that existed but they created what people are walking through because it's too it's too crafted in the image of what they wanted it to be. And maybe it's it's sort of like a Tulpa situation where they manifested it somewhat see this is this is a point that's up for contention but I do agree with you that that is the the coolest thing but because it's man-made it somehow taps into what this weird realm thinks humanity looks like and is trying to replicate it in some ways yeah it's really cool but it's almost trying to replicate it's sort of like a an extinct version of it's like an Americana you know it it feels like it's in the 50s the aesthetic of it I was where I was gonna Chris we're on the same wavelength for once there's no arguing anymore I was like it seems like like the idealistic American like you get your office job you get your nice little street with all the pretty houses down it's I can't believe we're vibing for once it only took almost from killers.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

I was frustrated and set enough time to watch the rest of it but it is in fairness the rest of it is as long as half of what I watched so but to that's the cool thing because I I wasn't sure how much you would like this even on watching it I was like okay he could definitely say this is a bit repetitive or like he would rather just have a a more linear narrator uh nah na uh that I fucked it every episode I fuck it once a more linear narrative structure.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

I wonder what one but uh I'm glad the fact that you were like can we watch the rest whilst we were on call makes me go okay he probably fucked with us quite a bit yeah I like that it gives you the opportunity to kill your characters effectively you know I like how the first one ends and I like you know it it does create a more I'm gonna say choppy narrative I don't mean that in an inherently negative way but I I feel like that is the way that it's presented is pieces uh so you you know it it maintains the mystery a bit more that way okay because well this is uh this has been fully planned out I was watching an interview with Kane and he was talking about how he like he'd like to branch out this was before he started doing his other series how he liked to branch out into different things because he does know the the the layout of the series he knows what he wants to tell when he wants to tell it but it's just getting it done which was insane to me that he then made a 45 minute episode because you think he'd go okay just put out bits to keep people satiated but no the man the man went in cooked fully and again he's he's 16 he's 16 Chris yeah he's 20 now that's crazy and now he's working with A24 to make a fill that I assume I I know he said it's not directly linked to this but it won't contradict stuff in it if that makes sense yeah because it also feels like this narrative that he's presenting is open this is you know related to control it's sort of open to a multiverse interpretation by that uh this feels like it could it's not presented explicitly as but it feels like it could be interpreted as the you know if purgatory is the space between where we live and sort of the afterlife and this could be the purgatory between different universes that's an interesting take I see he's as you've seen he's been quite he's not been showing too much with this new backrooms movie he's working on I assume partially because of NDA because he likes to yap on Discord.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

But I think there was one thing I saw where it was like an official tagline I I'm I'm paraphrasing there it was like as time moves on you forget but time doesn't it was something like that where I think it's like it's definitely playing on the like time violation and how the backrooms tends to like morph over time because you'll see that with specific I can remember if it was found footage too or the researcher where they'll go in and they find a room where there's three chairs but they're placed weirdly close to each other and they're all inhumanly sized. One giant yeah super creepy that's fan footage too that is fine footage okay but again this is before what you missed with um there was a secret video that you missed and I think it was first contact or possibly the third test where we show that the the ramifications of opening this portal that you see in tests caused a an earthquake that shot through the entirety of California and destroyed motorways.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Yeah they used there was a real I did say first contact so maybe it was the third test.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

That doesn't sound familiar well there was a real earthquake in 1989 that shook California so he took um news footage from that and integrated it as part of the the narrative which is cool just sick I love I love when shit does that I'm watching the trailer for the first time also now because I've seen it but this looks neat. Yeah the trailer's cool the trailer's just like like nine different shots of Blender and then one of live action which got so many fucking idiots online going this doesn't look real this looks like Blender because that's the point. That's the point you've done it.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

That was that's the entire concept of this trailer because it looks it's it looks like Q drum roll The Uncanny Valley you know it gives you that that feeling but that's it kind of scares me both for his film like if he uses his higher budget to make it look more realistic does he run a risk of removing that eerie element that you get with the kind of off-killer animation and slightly strange human movements it depends on if he pulls it off. And that's such a I know that's sort of a cop-out answer, but the shots I see in the trailer look great. It depends on if he can integrate people into that space and have it still feel scary I guess. And it's you know you start imagining was it Chaiwato IGF4 is in the cast imagine him with the big squiggle monster in a still frame that doesn't sound great. So I'm curious about how it's gonna be presented I know Mark DePlace is also connected to it. I think he's maybe a therapist so I feel like they're definitely going more of the the like personal trauma like people are uh what's what's the term I'm looking for stagnant in life like life freezes for them and maybe trying to draw parallels between that and like an almost sort of mental purgatory I do want this is me and you know my desires for this but I want Chai What's LG of World should be a like a military colonel or some sort of scientist and I want like a group of professionals going into the back rooms and getting getting eaten by whatever's in there.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

But do you not also think that runs a risk of showing too much of the monster and making it not scary? Because I feel like a big a huge boost you get from this series is aside from found footage one um missing persons report I think is when you see the POV of the street and the weird signs and found footage two you go 12 episodes and you only see the monster 12 times no three times you don't see him 12 times that would have ruined it I think that's because it means so many times that you watch it and you're like okay there should be a monster appearing and it just doesn't and it builds the tension Do you think they're let me I will answer your question in one moment but let me first ask do you think they're gonna be that restrained in the actual movie um well Kane has complete creative control and I've I trust Kane based on this and other stuff I've seen and I know Mark Duplas said I was brought in to help keep keep this on track and I you don't need me. Like he's got it so it makes me think he's pro because I saw many people going oh could could Kane he doesn't know how to like work cameras and make shots and direct people but if you watch the series he does guess it's in Blender he does you can hire people that can fill him in on the things he doesn't know is the thing.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

And it's not so many people that work on a movie.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

And like there's not going to be a huge crew for the backrooms they probably have like a few sets built that look almost identical to each other and then the rest just go, yo Kane can you fix that corridor in Blender cheers? Because he'll do it and he'll cook.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

I know he will that's the thing though is if there's that much variation but only through Blender or through after post effects I I'm curious to see how well he puts people in those spaces that don't exist. I wonder if he'll use the volume technology or anything I don't know if E24 has access to to a sort of volume situation.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

I feel like surely just with with cheap not cheap camera tricks but like easy camera tricks to make a few sets feel large that's not impossible to do. Like you didn't see the recent um exit number eight but that's basically an entire movie just shot in one infinite hallway and it won't have to watch that. And you can also you know maybe they build even fucking one floor set and the walls just come up and go down and then modify everything that you suppose you could I suppose we'll also have to build sets for all the different if if there I hate calling it levels because this is what children do when they make fucking wall blocks displays with fucking SpongeBob in the backrooms. But I'm gonna use as as on an elevation level the different levels that you see in this they're gonna have to I presumably do the pool room.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

I'd imagine if they are going the mental health route it will be very as above so below where people will have like warped interpretations of moments of their life my favorite sequence I'm remembering is they set up cameras in that one area that's it's just a bunch of door frames oh when they're getting saved by Bacteria boy yeah yeah and they they set up a bunch of cameras and the first few shots are just people walking through and then there's sort of the last couple shots of uh big bacteria boy walking through oh see I thought you were talking about the chase sequence where it's it's like lots and lots of very small rooms with four gobles so it's just like infinite holes are you working in an industrial plant no bunnies have to be fed their food right of a is the bunny coming to say hello the bunny can't say hello bunny's on a vocal cord oh can we never get the bunny name we hear Wally we hear fuel what's the bunny name the bunny's saying hi so it's not verbally I I was gonna say do you think what okay I've looked after rabbits before do you think their main form of communication is just via Morse code with their feet?

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Because they love a stomp. Yes and it's always SOS just begging to die at all times.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Yeah fucking carrots yeah we can't see in the dark too there. Um her habit when she escapes her enclosure recently has just been to run under my bed Well I've got the same issue with my fucking cats see since I got a bed frame that is elevated like not just hard planks anytime open the door they scoot in they go under the bed you cannot get those fuckers out.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

You can go each end you can I have crawled under the bed and sat next to them just to be annoying and they just look at me annoyed. We don't we don't like we're we'll die on that hill.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

And the bunny will just uh like bad at you with her little feet if she doesn't want to go somewhere that's cute.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

Yeah it's very sweet and so I think the best way to save budget for this is probably just make the backrooms. See if we just set up a we've got 20 million on the budget. Yeah just get a building and I don't know about furnish it but you know put some wallpaper or something and well you can do it practical I remember see this is gonna be I've got two strange nominal stories okay the first one I was it when I dropped out of school I got sent to like a it was a kind of like a charity thing to get people into work and we did fuck all for the most of it but towards the end they were buying it was an old bank to like make to move because it was in this shitty little it was like a warehouse. It was half a warehouse half a Chinese takeaway and it had rats it was fucking it was a scuffed situation. But we were buying this old bank building and they let the group that I was in to have a look at it and in the basement it was like like that chasing I was describing earlier it was just small cube robouts with four doors on each end and it was like that for 200 meters and then a like the bank vault at the end.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

And it was like who designed this strange as fuck architecture put a big ass spider and it was kind of sick it was also slightly ominous to be like I've walked three rooms down and this room looks identical and I can hear people but all the echoes are perfect so I can't locate where people are via their voice I don't know do you ever have any weird luminous I feel like you must have had a lumino experience I'm sure I have staircases there's a lot of weird staircases in New York just because they're they never repaint them oh how'd you mean just they're always like a a grim shade you know sort of a dark shade and it feels endless walking up them.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Not the open ones but the closed ones can feel kinda weird oh like the solid like stone pillar stairs that kind of go back on themselves?

SPEAKER_01 41:58

Yeah so it's just like ten stairs up then stairs the next the other way back up and you know you don't even go up the whole floor until you've gone up two of those feels kind of endless. You ever get that feeling that when you walk up them your brain goes hey if there was someone around that corner you wouldn't know Yeah yeah definitely Chris the most horrifying noise came from the bat it was like a deep it sounded like you ever heard the Caretaker's Dementia album with the music display oh it's so such a scary noise what the fuck oh my god it was a motorcycle in my background oh anyway should we should have you never been in like say you've been to like a shopping center and your cinema showing is ending late and you've walked out to just this empty hallway with no people there definitely definitely stuff like that I can't remember anything specifically I feel like experiences in the woods more commonly also oh speaking of other internet horror have you ever found a random set of stairs in the woods no I haven't but I like I love that um that series the Park Ranger series right yeah with the weird there's like a grasshopper man at one point with no face and I didn't get to that part of the cool and they also technically based a series of channel zero on it but it doesn't really I I like that series but it they just take the stairs element and do a whole other story with the See that's it because I really want to get into Channel Zero because I know we have a Candle Cove series. Oh let's do an episode on Channel Zero because I really like it.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

You gotta give us a whole series to watch in a week goddamn Nah we can do an uh 'cause chan uh Candle Cove is the first season so

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Let's do an episode on the first season at some point, and then if you like it, we'll do more.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Okay, 'cause funny, there actually is an American horror story short um series based on the back tribs. But from what I hear, it's atrocious.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

What season is it?

SPEAKER_00 44:19

I don't know. It's one of the newer ones where we do like spin-off cat. Where it's like every season comes out and no one watches it and it gets reviewed poorly, but for some reason they keep renewing that shit.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

But it's a takes on a channel zero in Candle Cove. Yeah, that's about Candle Cove. There's an actress in that, I forget her name. Ruther Howard is in Butcher's Block. John Carroll Lynch is in the one in between them. And then I really like the fourth season, might be my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 44:57

How many seasons was it? I thought there was only three.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Just four. It got cancelled after four, but the same creator made something called brand new cherry flavor on Netflix, which I haven't seen, but people say is sort of like a fifth season.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Interesting. Do you know if that's based on any internet horror?

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Or is that just its one thing? Not as far as I'm aware. It's if if anyone wants no spoilers at all, skip ahead for a second. But that's about vampires, as far as I'm aware.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

Oh. But will it will it beat out Midnight Mass, the other good Netflix vampire series?

SPEAKER_01 45:34

No, it's not gonna be better than that. But it it looks goofy. I forget who's in it. Somebody is uh starring in it.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

It's gonna be someone from like the 90s that you're like, everyone knows that, and I'll go, brother, and no one knows who that is.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

No, it's someone younger. You can Google it. I'm not I'm not able to with my setup right now. I'd have to find my phone.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Okay. Well, I g as I was as I was stating, but it is a bad series of this, which isn't the fact that there has been a live action adaptation of the backrooms and it has been horribly reviewed, I suppose, is a bad sign. But again, I have faith in my butt, especially with Mark DuPlace on it. Come on, the man made fucking creep. He knows he's found footage horror stuff.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Yeah, he does. I'm super curious. Do we know if it's going to be found footage?

SPEAKER_00 46:26

No, he said specifically he doesn't want this one to be found footage, but he wants to keep like the vibe of the series in it.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Interesting. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Which I feel because found footage would have been so much easier for him. So I'm glad he's going that direction because you could just make an hour and a half long episode of someone's camera, and then Mark de Place going, Oh my god, did you see that? Like every other found footage film known to man, and it would have been it would have been fine. And it would have been it would be good. See, we just had Mark de Place pog facing the bacteria boy. I can't see him making a run for it though. I feel like Mark De Placey would go insane in the background. I feel like he would form like a little cult.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

What do you want out of the movie?

SPEAKER_00 47:17

What do I want out of the movie? I want it to be well, first off, good. See as long as it's good. But it's I I I want I what I want out of it is I want a meta reason for it. I want this to be successful to a point where because people like Alex Kister we've been chipping around Mandela catalogue scripts trying to get a movie made. And there's so many other analogue horror series that I feel would benefit from a movie format. But without something like The Batons being successful, and we've seen Markiplier's YouTube horror movie being very successful. I feel like with that double man. Oh, for Blu-ray?

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

I saw the Martiplier subreddit is going ham trying to take down piracy sites with it, and I'm like, that's a losing fight. The entire anime, film, and TV industry has been fighting that battle for the past 20 years. The Markiplier subreddit is not winning it.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

Yeah, I really want to watch it. I might just find it.

SPEAKER_00 48:28

I see just but I'm sure he won't care. He's made what like an extra 40 million, like 42 million. I don't think he's that bothered. Well, no, because he's he he made a deal with the cinema chains that they can have 50% rather than like the average 30. So if it made uh 45 million and it cost him three, so you would split that to like 19 million and a half million. So he made about twenty-two-ish million.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Nice on a change.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

And it took him three years worth of work. See if I could work three years and get twenty-two million, you'd never see my ass again. I'd buy a house in like the coast of Spain. Arubo. That would be my life. It's only a lot more time.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

Let's just think about that for a second.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

What do you mean think about that?

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Let's just think about if we were that rich and we could just move away somewhere. Would we still podcast? No.

SPEAKER_00 49:34

Probably. No. Definitely not. I I would be I'd be I'd probably be an alcoholic if if we're being honest.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

Yeah, definitely. What are the repercussions for it?

SPEAKER_00 49:45

See ju see that's the thing I was thinking about. See if I was rich, like trich, like I can keep money in in the back and make money off of my interest rich. My ass would be I would fund so many horror movies. You would not believe my name would be plastered everywhere in the horror scene.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

Oh yeah, live forever. I would just be my finder would just go West Craig Live Parker.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

That's why I would just hit up random like cinema not cinemas, like movie distribution things and go be like, give me all your horror scripts. Anything I like to go okay, you can have some money.

SPEAKER_02 50:24

Yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

Well, how would okay, what's your dream death in a film?

SPEAKER_01 50:39

That's a good question. Um, not my dream death, but one that I remember as amazing is spoilers for Sunshine, is uh Chris Evans' death in Sunshine.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

I was talking about this fucking sunshine man. You love this sun?

SPEAKER_01 51:01

He's freezing to death and he's bleeding to death, and he's been a selfish character the whole movie, but in his last moments, he's both crying for the first time and also has to yell about like you got this to the main character. Uh you know, like something with lines in it, but also something that's very involved and dramatic.

SPEAKER_00 51:24

I feel like, see if I was to die in a horror film and it was my choice, I'd be see whenever people get taken to the torture dungeon and there's always that one person that's like half alive and just a mess. You know, like this is what happens to you when you stay here too long.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

Oh, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 51:42

I want to be in like a uh like a cloth nappy with like my eyes gouged out, hanging from a chain. Yeah, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

And it's good because I wouldn't even need to be able to act that way, I just need to be able to scream in pain.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

Or uh like Melissa's death and saving private Ryan, the guy in the staircase who gets stabbed slowly.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Get stabbed? I've not seen gets how does one get stabbed slowly?

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Have you seen Saving Private Ryan?

SPEAKER_00 52:14

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 52:15

Well, there's this guy who in the staircase in staircase the staircase, you know, the in a staircase gets confronted by a German soldier and they have a sort of a knockdown drag out fight, and the soldier pulls out a knife and he holds it off of him, and it just like barely slowly starts to penetrate him, and he does wind up getting stabbed, but it's very, very gradual and awful to watch.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

I feel like typically when I think of a movie scene I'd be in slow penetration on a stairwell is probably not the one I'm going for. Yeah, I want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

You need slow penetr penetration to lead up to the fast penetration.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Nah, you don't you don't want to just go in and rip?

SPEAKER_01 53:09

No, no, no, no. That's that's how things actually do get ripped.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

Nah, I like a like a nice a nice like quick but hard penetration. Like the one thing I'll give Scooby Fucks every single penetration scene in that film, oh, it looks painful. It looks so it looks so nasty.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

That's uh I mean bone tomahawk has a great death, but I don't know if I don't wanna do that.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Wait, is it isn't bone tomahawk full of indigenous people? Do you want to dress up as an indigenous person?

SPEAKER_01 53:47

No, there's one death, we'll get to it. I don't wanna say too much about it.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

Or do you want to be the rapey cowboys?

SPEAKER_01 53:55

No, it's just a regular well, you probably never mind. Let's just move past it. We'll talk about it some other time.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

No, it's a model side tangent. Why in your acting career would you ever want to be a cowboy? We were like racist rapists. And that was about it.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

Uh because it's like a an American cinematic ideal.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Yeah, but it's also like if Germany won World War II and everyone's like, hey, weren't the Nazis sick? You were just wiping out indigenous people with little game.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

But there is a just a distinct history of cowboys being the goal to achieve on the silver screen. You want to play a cowboy. It's not something that I I would want to be an astronaut or play someone in space before anything.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

But I wouldn't turn down being a cowboy. Nah, fuck a cowboy. No good penetration scenes, well, I suppose, unless we're talking Broke back mountain.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can still find exactly good penetration scenes.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

Which is a bad movie. I feel like people only like it because it's like one of the first big on-stream gay romances. I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

You can email us at the uncannyvalleypodcast at gmail.com, but the email it's uh this is for Charlie. I haven't seen it. I've read the short story, I like the short story.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

Rogue Back Mountain?

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:28

Oh, I'm I'm learning it was based on a book right here and now.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

I was just like, oh, it's the good gay cowboy movie, let's put it on and about halfway back. This is a good short story. When is this gonna fuck it? Well, see if it's a short story, that makes sense, because why is that movie like over two hours? Nonsense. Anyway, we've got to be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

No, I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Okay, anyway, back to the back. I like how we spent more time talking about I suppose the upcoming movie is more exciting though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 55:56

It is, yeah, and it it's what people are gonna be curious about, and we'll probably do we will do an episode on it eventually.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

The one thing I was to see if we well you seem to have liked this so far. If we go further into analog horror, most series are definitely more of uh you'll get a lot of clues, uh less uh clue episodes in between like little short movies. Like Ken Pixels pieces it perfectly. A lot of them you will get like okay, here's an episode about audio logs around what's happening, and then here's one about like an interview with someone that works that there's typically some fucking evil government facility bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 56:43

I do really like the way it's structured.

SPEAKER_00 56:46

If you like the way it's structured, you probably will like like Var. But see, that's the other one I'm talking about. People are like, oh, it's not gonna look that good. Ken Bixels did the oldest view, and like it's photorealistic. It's so much better than what you did in the backrooms.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

If the movie looked like this, it would still be watchable. And it will look better than this. So I I don't I'm not concerned about it.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

But see, that's the thing, it's like you could put this in a cinema and it would work.

SPEAKER_01 57:14

I feel like sort of yeah, like even this I wouldn't complain about. I would I would note it. I would if we talked about it on this podcast, I would say, yeah, those things looked a little hokey, but it didn't take me out of it.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

But I feel like you would just place that as art style, but everything looks a little off-counter.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 57:38

Like you feel like you would be able to place it with something sort of similar, kind of like a skinema rink. Well, I mean for a majority of that it is static nothingness that you're looking at and then some lit up objects but that's just the style of the film.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

Yeah, skinema rink we should talk about.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

Oh, I see. See things, I'm I'm kind of iffy on skin rink, but I feel like uh between that and the backrooms I hope this is the direction that horror is going. Because we've had our our weird batch insane horror movies coming out as of recently. We've had a lot of pregnancy horror, we've had a lot of this is your trauma, but as a creepy dude. I hope we get strange, quiet, liminal horror, but I don't know if that can survive in the modern cinema climate with cunt shutting the fuck up.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

I agree on both counts. I don't know about the cinema, but I think they will take off a bit more, to be honest, in part because the world is getting so terrifying and so many things are constantly kicking off. There are so many real horrors that people are facing that people don't want factual grounded horror anymore. Is my conception of it. People are looking more for things that challenge the bases of reality and maybe even give some notion or hope that sort of the the base writing of reality can be redefined so that being doomed in a scenario doesn't actually wind up being definite.

SPEAKER_00 59:32

That was you could put that on a book, Chris. What the fuck was that? You reached into your home from that too.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

I think it'll be taking off. Honestly, I feel like people will turn to horror stories more in order to cope with the feelings that they'll be experiencing in coming years. As wars kick off, as climate catastrophe looms, as things get hard. I think horror will become more important to people and help people process emotions more.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

Well you could say that, but you could say on the flip side, quite a lot of things typically when things start to cool down a little, usually go on a much happier note. So you think you would get some of the more because what you're saying, right? People use horror to as a form of escapism to cope with things, but don't you usually find when things go to shit people are like, I want to relate to the things going to shit in the horror. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

And I I see I see what you're saying about sort of being separate from that tonally. But I don't think that's even I think horror is so malleable as a genre that it doesn't need to be restricted to things that are sad or negative. You know, something like the Ready or Not got a sequel recently, and that as a movie is very it's a horror movie. It's a thriller movie, I would I guess I would say more so. But it's an empowering movie on the whole, thematically.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

You were talking about a movie I gave two and a half stars on the box, followed by a huge rent.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

Yeah. Yeah, but I'm talking about a movie that's all responded to clearly.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:32

Well, I mean there's um I don't know if you noticed, but again, a film I don't give too high of a rate. I suppose I'm just a miserable bastard and I like my my um mental breakdown um on overworlds horrible horror. But did you see that new film that was popping off called Pretty Lethal?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

No, what's that about? Take um Oh, is that the ballerinas?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:03

It is the ballerina one. I was gonna say Yeah, it is dumb, but it's like I can see why people would love it. Sort of fun dumb. Like there I'm not putting many spoilers, but there is a scene where a girl pirouettes and then uh swirls her leg up with a blade on it to cut someone's neck.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:28

I mean that yeah, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

It's pretty sick. It's one of the only reasons I got an extra star in my two-star rain.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:37

Is it worth watching?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:41

Well it's 2026. We've not been getting too much good stuff. Everything that comes out is was worth a goal.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:48

I guess so. Did you like Abigail?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

No. No, I did not like Abigail.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:54

I didn't either. I wasn't a big fan of it. I I like the cast a lot, but I was hoping.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

Everyone's great in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

They're great in it too. It's not even just a good cast, as they all do a fantastic job, but the movie doesn't pull it off, really.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

Even um was it is it Angus McLeod, the guy from Euphoria? Yeah, he's really good in it too. I love him. He's so great in it, and he doesn't act. He doesn't he does not act. His whole thing is he was found for Euphoria. He's not an actor, and he's great in it, and he has good chemistry with Catherine Newton, and Catherine Newton has chemistry where Alyssa Brera and the Child Actor's good, but it's fucking good.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:38

Catherine Newton is so good. Kevin Durand is my favorite, he's the big guy in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:43

Yeah, he's Germa. He's he's he's in that German movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:48

He's like a Russian-looking Germa.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:52

But it's fucking radio silency scripts. Good god, man. I'm so horrible scripts.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

I think they do Melissa Barrera dirty because she's I I want to say she's not a convincing actor, but I do think it's the scripts mostly. She does her best to sell them and all the deaths, the vampire explosions in Abigail to me. We're just talking about Abigail for a second. But they felt like ready or not. They felt very I don't know, just recursive. They felt like they were doing the same thing they already did.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

But but that's all we do. We make one movie and they go do that again and again. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

That's when I noticed it. And it was kind of frustrating because I was excited for that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

It's such a pissed experience.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

Dan Stevens is so good in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:43

Who oh, what what's hold on? He plays the cop. I'm looking him up because I know that name, but I can't put a face to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:50

He's in the guest.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:52

But that's the thing, I don't understand why someone like Kane Pixels, who is incredible who's proved that he's like an emerging talent, he's working with A24, who for the most part put out good shit. People are giving him criticism and going, Oh, this is gonna be bad before it even comes out. But we're all gonna hail when Radio Silence announces, oh, it's another female lead, gamified slasher, where someone blows up and there's a mystery twist at the end, and it ends with, Wow, you go, girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

Yeah, no, I I agree. I uh I will watch Ready or Not 2. I like the first one. I like Ready or Not. I that's the only movie of Radio Silences that I do unapologetically like.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:40

Chris, we're sinking up on Wavelands. We're in the same boat again.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:46

Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's a good movie. I think it's pretty derivative beyond that. I like bits of Scream Seven, but that's only because it's pretending to be set in New York, and even that they do wrong. Because it's all filmed in Canada.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

No, Scream Scream 7's the new one. Are you not thinking Scream? Yeah, my bad. Scream Scream 6 is the one where they pull a twist at the end with the killers, and then everyone was like, This is this is horrible. And I hear Scream 7's worse for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:22

Yeah, I hear Scream 7 sucks, and it's what's frustrating is it sounds like they were gonna do this is fine to talk about because we'll never talk about radio silence movies on this, right? Maybe the first ready or not, but I'm not too. You know, on experimenting or exploring trauma, someone becoming a killer just because they're surrounded by killers, and we've already seen Sydney be a hero in the face of all of that. It's not an interesting way to make it, but it would have been fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

But is but is it really that interesting because of you've seen scream six interesting, right? Have you? You've seen scream 6. Because the thing is with her seeing fucking Billy everywhere, and then them going, oh, one of the sisters is going to be a killer, you go, okay, so it's immediately not going to be her because it's obvious, so it's going to be Jen Ortega.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:31

The one that was angry and shouting a lot in this film.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:35

Yeah, yeah. It wouldn't have been interesting or that much of a surprise, but it would have been more worth watching than whatever they're doing in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:45

Okay, okay, I guess we're gonna rant about Scream, but did you see what the original ending for Seven was going to be, but they changed it due to fucking test audiences. See how they tease through it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:58

Oh, they they ruined even this shitty version of it that's a result of I don't even want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:04

Yeah, okay, big stuff. Don't watch okay. If anyone isn't, don't watch Scream 7, fuck them, pirate if you want to. But we tease Sue coming back.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:21

That's not good.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:23

Okay, well, Matthew Lillard comes back as Stu. Like we tease that in the trailers, and you see little clips of him, and then throughout the movie we go, oh AI, and then there was an ending where fucking Stu was alive and he was going to come back and then get away, and that was going to be Scream 8 going forward at Stu Stu Marker's back. Wait, so what are you what oh no, are you fucking kidding me? So what did we get instead? Um just uh some guy that likes AI using AI.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:00

That's so annoying.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:02

And then apparently one of the killers kills their own child in it. And then it's just not brought up.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:10

Because it's supposed to be some fucking red herring.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:14

Oh fucking I'm sort of infuriating.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:20

That's all people have been asking for. I don't know what people they showed this to in test screenings, but it was it's clearly people who have never seen a scream movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:30

It's just like fucking I feel so bad for Matthew Lillard because he keeps getting these opportunities to prove himself, and then they keep fucking shitting on him. He's in for an af and it's huge, and he's barely in it, and then you go, okay, he's in two, and then he gets a small scene, he's in twin peaks, and he acts his ass off, but he's not in that for long, and then he's supposed to come back and scream, and then we use fucking AI uh clip footage of him, which is clearly just Matthew Lillard fucking in his own house, yapping to a camera, and that is it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:04

That's so lame.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:07

And he's a cell. See if you see Matthew Lillard's in a film, people will see it. It makes me so fucking angry. Fuck all the studios and Quentin Tarantino. Fuck them all.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:20

Fuck everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:24

This is why I like my Doom Pill movies. I suppose you can't really talk too much because we we don't we don't have spreadsheets and timelines, and I mean you can pause and find out some characters' names. But I mean that's not for us, that's for some YouTube breakdown that gets more views than the backrooms videos to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:50

Yeah, it felt disingenuous to look up too much information about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:55

But I do like that you seem to you seem to be on on call for analog horror now.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

Very much so. I I enjoyed this. I look forward to doing more of this. There also wasn't subtitles for every single video, so as you know, I kept up as much as I could, but there was a video when they The video where they show the uh the missing kid posters at the start and they find the missing kid like burned and stitched to a wall. They don't have any subtitles, but you can sort of barely make out that they're saying we found a missing kid.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:27

Yeah, there's uh but I feel like a lot of the the because Kane does put subtitles on some of them makes me believe that the ones it's hard to make out is intentional and that's supposed to be hard.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

I wasn't too concerned about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:42

Almost like a certain YouTuber indie film that came out this year that people say you can't make out what he's saying. And I'm like, that's the fucking point, you idiots.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

Is it Ironlung? I'm I'll watch that soon. Would you be would you want to do an episode on that at some point soon?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:01

If you yeah, I fucking I think Iron Long's sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:04

I'm super curious about it. I don't know anything beyond the basic premise.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:10

Well, I assume you've heard some critical reception to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

Uh all I know, no, I actually don't know much about the reception. I know it's about a submarine in like a blood sea, and I know you've mentioned cosmic horror a little bit in reference to it, but that's all I'm aware of.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:27

It's kinda kinda cosmic. I mean you're you're dealing with a big ocean.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:32

Yeah, it's good, maybe is what you said.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:36

Yeah. Awesome though. Very, very sick movie. Not a lot of filmmakers would attempt some of the stuff that happens towards the end of Iron Man.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:46

Rat, okay. Excited.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:49

But any more as I was gonna say, we got sidetracked. I was gonna say um other analog, I feel like there's one episode in particular of the series Greylock that is it is just audio logs, like a conversation between two people. I think it's fucking I think it's one of the best horror uh episodes on YouTube. It's so fucking good. And you love your telpas? Is uh Greylock is very talkable?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

Talpas are cool. Yeah, yeah, like the the placebo effect. Obviously, it's a psychosomatic kind of response, but there's truth to belief creating reality. So topas are such a cool concept to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:36

But see the thing is with a topa, hypothetically the real some goon or simp, he he disproves it because there's he doesn't have a giant anime waifu hanging about him all times. And that that man that man wishes for it. He's so cringe.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:56

He wishes every single day.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:58

He's like, what's your ghost gonna be? It's like, oh no, a seven foot tall goth girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

Uh have the conversation here since we haven't yet. We haven't decided. Do you have something that you wanted to recommend for next week?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:16

I have no idea. We'll have to discuss it. I assume you kinda want to do that. Do you want to do analog April? Wait, you wanna go all in on analog?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:27

Well, it's just it's alliterative. We're going this is the A month.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:32

It is alliterative, but I was hoping we would maybe have a bit more free range next month.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:37

Yeah, no, that's fine, because I have movies I can pick. Uh in that case, I have a recommendation for next to Ash.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:48

Ash? Oh, the like the Flying Lotus music video?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:54

Oh shit, that's been on my watch list as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:56

With Aaron Paul. I'm super curious about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:59

See that's because I know critical reception is very either you love it or you hate it.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:04

But it looks fine. And it's a flying lotus thing, so I'm just I don't know, I'm curious about it. I don't know if I like it or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:13

But this is gonna be one of our shorter episodes then, because we're only at an hour and a half and I still have to cut out some some nonsense, including that for hold on. I'm dying. Ah, thank god we didn't make it to the two hour mark. Anyway, so it's gonna be one of the shorter ones. Well, Chris, you seem to have liked it. Who who who would you recommend the backrooms to if you were gonna recommend us then?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:39

Anyone who's I'm trying to think of the way to put it. For some reason, anyone who's a media hog was the the way I was gonna put it. Media hog. It doesn't really make sense. But someone who likes uh consuming and analyzing media specifically. If someone just likes consuming media, I don't think they would love this. But if they like analyzing it and sort of being able to piece it together themselves while they're going through it, I think they would enjoy it. Someone who likes Resident Evil, say.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:14

Oh yeah. Yeah, I can see the connection with that. Oh, especially Resident Evil 7 with the mold.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:22

Oh, that's uh that's a good point. Yeah, someone who likes the last of us, there's a small connection there.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:28

So so what you so you would categorize this as more like uh an active watching rather than passive watching?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:38

I would, and it's that's with an asterisk, because there is passive watching to it. You know, I feel like the the ones that are in the facility when they're testing the backrooms door, you know, you can't make out everything they're saying and you're just kind of watching them fuddle around for a bit, but it's the atmosphere building, if you're willing to let that settle in and take that in, it's uh it's a good watch. Oh, the atmosphere is so good. So yes, if everyone's I don't think I don't know if you said if you have seen Lost or not, but anyone who liked the Dharma initiative stuff in Lost, there's a a company in that that has a facility on the island, and every so often you'll hear or see tapes that they've recorded to tell you about a thing or an incident or something you experience on the island. And it feels very reminiscent of that as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:34

Do you know what's funny, Chris? I think this may be I think we're probably hitting double digits in the amount of times you've asked me, have I seen Lost?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:42

Probably. I never listen when it when you're talking because I'm too excited to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:48

You love Lost? I do.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:54

I suppose is this is this where we we're calling it quits? Anything else you'd like to add on to this?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:59

Yeah, no, that's good for me. Uh I think we've talked about everything. It's cool that he falls from the sky.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:08

Oh yeah, so it displaces him, but he falls down to get there. So camera can fall out from the sky.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:19

Others okay, I guess we're still talking about there is some of the pause stuff, and there's an episode where we're talking about the elevation causes null zones and it's like a two-letter symbol. There is something about uh electromagnetic waves or pulses that can cause it, which is what I assume America utilized to make the doorway that wasn't really working at first, but seemed to work on test three a little and then test six to make the doorway. There's something to do with magnets and electricity that causes it. There's a lot of is that what they did differently?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

I didn't really notice what was changing between the tests, if anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:03

I think maybe they were just running different things to see how it worked. Because it seemed to because well you see when they open it, they're always fucked. So it seems to take a lot of power.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:17

I do just want to reiterate so much. Yeah, it did seem to take a lot of power. And it also very cool taking the to me it was taking the Stargate imagery and making it a horror thing, which was very fun. But also just the reveal of it's the government trying to make low-rent housing or low-rent office spaces, is just very like, oh you son of a bitch. You uh you did this, you didn't have to do this.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:48

Because I feel that's real. I feel if a government saw that yeah. Like, oh yeah, you can fit businesses and storage and sh there's the episode where we're like, oh yeah, you could build like shops and uh artificial like gardens and stuff down here, and it's like that's that is what people would actually use this for.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:08

If the planet gets sucked up into a black hole, it's because they're trying to create a pocket dimension to put like you know service workers in.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:19

It's because we're still talking about this. But Kane said in interviews that async isn't like your stereotypical evil corporation. We're just in over their heads trying to do this experiment.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:33

Weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:33

So it's cool to me for once the government isn't some mush like mustache twirling, ho ha, we're gonna use this to create giant weapons to unleash during war. But it's them going, how can we cut costs on making houses?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:54

And then we unleash big bacteria boy and uh interdimensional portals through the entirety of California. It's the second California by the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:03

Interesting. I didn't realize that. It there's someone with a British accent at some point.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:10

Probably a scientist. I should say it was always the British scientist.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:14

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:16

Anyway, do you wanna do you wanna plug us and then we're done?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:20

Yeah, uh catch us on Instagram at the Uncanny Valley Pod, email us at theuncannyvalleypodcast at gmail.com, suggest a movie, suggest a series, suggest a game or uh TV sh uh a book. Sorry, I already said series. But we'll do anything. We're gonna do The Ruins at some point, which will be a book, an audiobook, and a movie. So we're open to whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:48

And I mean you suggest one Kendall Cove, less a TV series.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:52

We'll just end an analog horror thing, yeah, that's true. There's good crossover with Channel Zero to do both, especially because besides Kendall Cove, I think they diverge a lot from what they take inspiration from. So it might give us some an opportunity to talk about a couple different things.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:11

And I'm the the internet horror guy, and you're the I know some internet horror guy, so I should be able to piece more things together.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:19

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:21

Well I suppose this is this is my end ramble where we end up cutting off it at some random point.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:28

Yeah, I guess that's it.