UV28 - GOD TOLD ME TO (1976)

join charlie and chris become jesus or some shit. Idk this is a bit of a weird one. Like rib vaginas and hippies type shit, like genuinely what am I supposed to put here that would imply that without it sounding like we're engaging in uncouth acts together.

Good movie.
Fun episode.
You should watch it and then immediately listen to this ❤️ 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Yes. As I walk through the uncanny valley of death, you shall fear no evil. For I am that evil.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

You've not been to Amsterdam, haven't you not? I have. You have? Have you been to the sex museum? No. I didn't know there was one. That's like, but what do you mean? That's like the most famous part of Amsterdam is that they have a sex museum.

SPEAKER_04 0:32

I went with family. I I want to go back at some point.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Well, see, that's like the the one the one place everyone's like, oh you have to go to the sex, but don't. It's so dull. It's so boring. Like you'll walk into the room.

SPEAKER_04 0:46

I knew it was there, and that's why I didn't go. Because uh I knew it was not worth it.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Are you going to rooms and it'll just be like, here's this woman from the sexes? Oh because I assumed you go into a sex museum and it would be about like censorship laws and like old old like pornographic art that was like transgressive. But it's not it's just you go in a room and it's like this man in the 60s took a bunch of photos of this woman getting plugged in the arse. Here's here's the photos. And it's like, yep, that's that's that's what you said it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:33

Oh yeah, that's a that's a porn museum, that's not a sex museum.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

It's just a bunch of like 40-year-old tourists standing about with their wives going, hmm. Like someone getting spit roasted.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

We should do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I just told you it was bad. See the thing was we bought tickets for it, and then the tickets didn't work, and then we caused such a backup of the Q of the old woman when I fuck it just go in.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

Nice. Well, at least you didn't pay. Well, I guess you did pay, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:08

And I almost didn't get it go in when I did go in, it was just here's some porn.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

Oh, that sucks. Yeah. I feel like that also that's a similar thing to what you just described, where you're just walking into a situation where you you expect something transgressive, but you don't necessarily just expect porn. And you watch in and there's just you walk in and there's just porn.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

There's like there's there's like odd, like cool porn. Like there was some artsy like paintings and shit. I was like, oh that's cool. If I had my own house, I'd like that. But then it's also like you can't really have guests over.

SPEAKER_04 2:44

I wanna see like the first dildo.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

You know what's fucked up? You know what's fucked up? They have a bench to sit on and see when you sit on it, uh, a little metal dildo plugs you in the arse.

SPEAKER_04 3:00

That's um that's very funny but awful. Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Uh the Dutch, what can you do?

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

No, I've smoked my vape just tastes like cigarettes, and it's it's very disappointing.

SPEAKER_04 3:16

Oh, you don't want the you don't want a vape that just tastes like cigarettes?

SPEAKER_01 3:20

No, I like the jewel the jewel flavors.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

What flavor are you trying to use?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Strawberry, raspberry, and cherry.

SPEAKER_04 3:27

All in the same one?

SPEAKER_01 3:29

All in the same one, brother.

SPEAKER_04 3:31

That sounds like too much.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

No, it's just a vaguely sweet taste.

SPEAKER_04 3:36

I don't like cherry flavors, especially artificial, because it just reminds me of cough syrup.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Yeah, what's wrong with that? Cough syrup tastes good. Cough syrup's disgusting. No, you need you need to expand your flavor palette.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

My flavor palette, it's cough syrup.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, it's cough syrup, it tastes good.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

It famously does not taste good.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

It famously is a very common use drug because people can drink it and it tastes quite good.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

It it's bearable.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Don't you get cowpol in America? I don't know what that is. It's like a kid's um paracetamol, but it's in like a purple sludge and it's so good. Oh my see, people will just drink it.

SPEAKER_03 4:25

Disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

It's not a disguise, it's so good you need to get yourself in some cow pol.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

No.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Why not? You get like a uh a sore rib or a sore back one day, just take a little swig. Tastes great.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Take a little swig.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

I will sit and measure out medicine.

SPEAKER_03 4:46

No.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

What you do is you grab a cough medicine, you swig.

SPEAKER_04 4:52

No, I don't I I guess I do sit and measure our medicine then, if that's the yes, I I take doses of medicine. If that's what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

For shame, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

No.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

That's why you're you've got such an a closed palate when it comes to flavors first. No fetuses. Now no cough medicine.

SPEAKER_04 5:14

Yeah, this is not abnormally closed of a palate.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

It is not people like cough medicine, I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

They're crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Not really, it's like it's like a very calm drug. It tastes bad. Well, I mean, all drugs taste bad to be fair.

SPEAKER_03 5:34

Exactly. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Like you ever had a you ever had like a dissolvable paracetable get stuck in your mouth and then slowly dissolve?

SPEAKER_04 5:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

It's like what I imagine when you see people in like World War II movies biting cyanide to taste like.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

Oh, yeah. I never thought about how cyanide tastes.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

What if it tastes really fucking good? That'd be funny. Just a nice little spoon.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

They make it taste really good.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Imagine you're like a spy and you've got it behind your teeth. You just feel like the slobber coming down, you're like, oh.

SPEAKER_04 6:15

You keep licking it.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Eventually it just breaks like a like a chocolate truffle. It's just melted in the inside of the awww. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:29

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Oh as in truffle, as in like the alcoholic sweets.

SPEAKER_04 6:35

No, the sweets, like uh a chocolate sweet where you have to suck on it to melt the outside, and then the inside is softer.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

Oh, but like the the little it's like a caramel sweep with like chocolate on the inside.

SPEAKER_04 6:49

No. That sounds good though. No, they're they're called truffles. They're like chocolate sweets that have a sort of a s a cocoa almost powdery coating on the outside. You can bite them, but you're supposed to suck on them until it sort of melts through.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Well, that's strange. We're we're a different this is like a a locational difference. Because if I think a truffle, I think like a little chocolate cake bite thing that has alcohol in it.

SPEAKER_04 7:21

Interesting. Oh, that sounds good though.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Yeah, the over so good. And if I can when I think a little hard sweet that you suck on, I think in a clear, which is little caramel, like hard toffees. But then if you suck them for long enough, the chocolate on the inside too like turns into like a little goo. So if you bite into it, it's good.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

That sounds really good.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

See if you meet any like British granny. She's got some stashed somewhere. We all have them.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

I'll have to break into some homes of British nannies then.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Oh wait, when you're in Ireland, you can like hit me up and be like, what am I grabbing from the sweet shop?

SPEAKER_04 8:01

Yeah. Oh, that's a great point. Do you think I can ship that back or bring that on the plane?

SPEAKER_01 8:08

I'm sure you can take an amount of food on the plane. I don't know what airline you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 8:13

A ton of candy while I'm in Ireland.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

I mean you're on holiday, what else are you supposed to do? True. I think what's like a British thing, but we haven't even- I don't think you can even get a deep fried pizza in Ireland. I think it's just a Scottish exclusive.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

Deep fried pizza sounds crazy. I love Cadbury specifically.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Oh, you'll be fucking sorted on Cadbury when you're fucking Cadbury makes everything.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

It's like an iron.

SPEAKER_04 8:41

Iron Brew was interesting. I didn't hate it. I tried that when I was in London.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

See, iron brew is fine. It's okay. Iron Brew 1901 is better. See if you find that in a big glass bottle, it says 1901 on it, it tastes marginally better.

SPEAKER_04 8:57

Oh, I'll try that. I thought iron brew tasted a little bit like bubblegum. Is that crazy?

SPEAKER_01 9:03

No, that's like they don't tell you what the flavour is, but I think that's the the main theory that people have of it.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

Okay, gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

I think it might be I don't know why. I'm thinking bubblegum and maybe carrot. And before you go, carrot is a there's a drink in the UK called Tiser, and they use purple carrot for it, and it tastes disgusting, but people seem to like it.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

What? What's the flavor of 1901?

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Um well IMDrew started in 1901 and then it had an obscene amount of sugar and weird additives to it that was causing like huge bouts of ADHD in children.

SPEAKER_03 9:44

Oh okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

They had to change it, and then people complained it was shit for about three decades, and then they went, okay, we'll give you the sugar back.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

Gotcha. So it's the it's the same thing but pure.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah, it's the same thing, but the the traditional Scottish way.

SPEAKER_04 10:00

Cool, okay. I'll try that.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Do you think there's any alcoholic beverages? Oh, you should be able to get a buck fast.

SPEAKER_04 10:08

Iron brew would be a good mixer, it seems like.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

I've never seen anyone use it as a mixer, but I don't think it would be problematic.

SPEAKER_04 10:17

Okay, I'm glad it wouldn't be problematic. It just seems like an interesting enough flavor that it would it probably wouldn't mask it entirely, but you know, it would be nice to maybe for a vodka.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

That's fucked up now, I think about it. I've never seen anyone use iron brew as a mixer. Interesting. But to be fair, I don't think I know anyone that would ever choose to buy iron brew.

SPEAKER_04 10:38

It seems like a stereotypical thing, but also something that not really a lot of people drink.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

I think it's mostly just like old racist patriots for like I'm choosing the Scottish drink. Great. I agree with we've yambled on that on. You've never heard of Buckfast, haven't you? That's never made a way overseas.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

What's up with Buckfast?

SPEAKER_01 11:02

I'll give you people call it wreck the housess as a slang term because people get obscenely violent when drinking it. It is Okay. There's uh it used to be back when it first was made, that monks in the Scottish Highlands would make a really, really thick wine that was filled with caffeine and sugar.

SPEAKER_04 11:25

Oh, that sounds so good.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

See, the thing is, people love it. I I can't stand it, but people that love it will drink bottles of it daily and beat their girlfriends.

SPEAKER_04 11:37

Never mind, it sounds really bad.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

See, that's we all we could we could British you, we'll get you a full matching factor, a shitty cheap, fake Gucci cap, and two bottles of buck.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

Hmm. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Uh just give you a little experience of how we live over on the on the other side of the pond.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

What was if I could have one thing while I'm in the area, what what would you recommend it to be? Like confectionary or otherwise.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

But see, that's the thing, if you're going to Ireland and not Northern Ireland, it's separated from the UK, but it's also connected by land to the UK. So it's like I don't know what the crossover's like.

SPEAKER_04 12:27

Yeah, I'm not sure either. And I'm sure there's stuff there that I'd want to try that you wouldn't even know about. I'll have to ask my relatives in the area. People I I've never even really met. I met when I was probably 12 years old.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Because there's like there's nothing but like, say if I went to America, where you'd be like, oh, you have to try this.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

No, not really. I mean, like, if you came to New York, I'd have specific pizza place a specific pizza place I'd recommend.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

So you would say to the guy that, hey, if you come to America, I know these pizza places.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:10

You don't get an American cuisine, do you?

SPEAKER_04 13:13

No, but that's what I mean by New York, I would also have a bagel place that makes great food to recommend. I can think of new New York places. And there's also you know, th there's a lot of different cuisines in the area here. There's a good curry place near me. There's a good everything in New York.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Yeah, I mean I could give you a good everything if you came to Glasgow.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Yeah. But no, not anything. Hot dogs and hamburgers. I don't know. There's no American cuisine really.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

The only thing you've really got is fast food joints, and it's like, what have I not tried? Because I've not tried maybe like a den's, and that's like about a Have you tried five guys? I have tried a five guys. Shake Shack? I've not had a Shake Shack, no. It's alright.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

It's it can i it can be really good sometimes, but most of the time it's not uh not the best.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Okay, where about the Cheesecake Factory?

SPEAKER_04 14:18

Oh, it's been so they're fine. It's like a diner.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

See, that's the thing, we don't get diners though. I feel like it would be fun to live like a little a little David Lynch moment.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

Go to a diner.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

Yeah, you should-cause it's like what's a diner going there, they're gonna give me pie and I can get pie.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

So you want a diner experience, but you don't want to go to a diner.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Do the g do they all still have girls that serve you with like a little apron on and like a little blue dress?

SPEAKER_04 14:48

No.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Have another room's a vibe, didn't it?

SPEAKER_04 14:52

Yeah, no, it'll be a middle-aged, short Hispanic or Italian man.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

That's not what I'm looking for. That's not part of my diner dreams.

SPEAKER_04 15:03

Yeah, alright. Go to a cheesecake factory then.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Well, you'd you never see like a Kyle McLaughlin sitting down going, hey Luigi! When he comes over with his pie. No, but it's just not the same. No, you've got you've got such little culture as an American, you're losing it already. David Lynch is rolling in his grave right now.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

Oh, cruel. He has a meditation center in New York. Or in Manhattan.

SPEAKER_04 15:38

No, he doesn't have he might have one somewhere, but he uh there's one that has his picture in their window, has for a long time. Like a transcendental meditation studio.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Did you ever try and like figure out what the fuck he was talking about with it?

SPEAKER_04 15:57

With what specifically? I don't remember what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

The whole transcendental meditation stuff.

SPEAKER_04 16:04

Oh, I have a a book that he wrote that I'm gonna read called Catching the Big Fish. So I'll check in with you on that.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

See, I I was because I don't do any of the meditation shit. I think it's it's just people gaslighting themselves. But David Lynch was yapping about it, so I was like, I'll give it, I'll give it a try for the man. And then he was sitting talking about how you have to think like so deep into yourself that you become the atoms of the universe, and then because all of the atoms make up everything, you are part of everything. And it's like, David, what are you why are you talking about, man?

SPEAKER_04 16:38

I I see that as his understanding of the way I see meditation is accepting stillness, uh sort of I guess preparing yourself for death in a way of like stepping beyond yourself or just uh existing in a moment without sort of the ego of the situation you're in or things you're trying to achieve, just appreciating being in a moment and not overthinking. In effect, also I want to learn to meditate just to calm my anxiety.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

That's good for focusing and clearing your head.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Yeah, but when you're thinking about m when you're going to meditate, is your brain not thinking, I'm meditating? Which removes the point of the meditation.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

That's how I used to see it. No. I mean, it's sure, if that's how you're gonna if that's how you're gonna experience it.

SPEAKER_04 17:45

But the idea is to sort of that's why he's describing it like that is because it's about trying to step sort of backwards from that point to where you're not even thinking about that you're meditating.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

You're you're present in the moment, but not maybe I I want to say not present in the space.

SPEAKER_04 18:13

That's not quite what I mean, but you are not processing things going through your head or going on around you, you are sort of clearing your consciousness.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Okay, but for me it's like you've seen the Lego movie, right?

SPEAKER_03 18:33

I have, I don't really remember it.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

There's a scene where the the wizard tries to get Emmett to think of nothing, and then they go in his mind and he's thinking about I have to think about nothing. And that's that's about as far as it goes for me.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

That's yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_04 18:55

I get it, and it's you know, that's a famous joke. Like, don't think about a purple elephant. You're gonna think about a purple elephant. But it's you know, once you're stressing about something, it's going to happen. It's the idea is not stressing, I guess. I don't know. If it the thing is that it means something different to everyone else, and people experience it differently. And if that's how you experience meditation, I'm not telling you that's wrong.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

See, but as a kid, what I used to be able to do is lie in bed and imagine that I was floating to a point I would feel like I'm floating, and I'm like, was that on a technical level meditation?

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Kinda, I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Interesting. Interesting. Uh like not interesting about anywhere else. Would you be yapping about shit?

SPEAKER_04 19:45

That's technically a level of meditation that Buddhist monks try to achieve where they feel like they're floating.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Yeah, but those motherfuckers also sometimes try to float.

SPEAKER_03 19:56

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Which I I get I understand the self-piece, but see when you're like, I have meditated and given myself superpowers. Then that's what you Yeah, I would do that more often. See when it's like East Asian monks and you see them go all they meditated to a point where they can turn our pain receptors in their brain. I can kind of buy that.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

That's nuts.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Because I've seen people put a drill in their head and being like, see, I was fine. And also you well, you've not gotten any tattoos, but you've ever been in like such a constant state of pain that your brain just kinda goes numb.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

I imagine it's probably just on like you're just tapping into that, surely. I guess so. Can't argue with it. There's been there's nothing this is too all interconnected and slow yapping to even seg into into like an open.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

Yeah, I don't know where. I don't know where to go from here, but uh welcome to the Uncanny Valley. We're talking about God told me to.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Oh, you fell off there on the on the table that time.

SPEAKER_04 21:05

Yeah, yeah, what'd you think?

SPEAKER_01 21:07

I think if that means you're you're excited for this one then.

SPEAKER_04 21:10

I really enjoyed this.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

It's so good.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

It's from 1976, I did want to say.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Yeah, two years after his last one.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

Yeah, this rule, it's way better than the last one.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

It is it's way better. But also, I don't think I would rate it more high level because I feel like the last one wasn't trying to be what this one is. Like the last one was trying to be stupid and it succeeded, and this one trying to be more and I think it succeeded.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

I agree. Yeah, the last one it wasn't trying to achieve more than it was capable of. That's why it was hard for me to be too critical of it, because it was clearly trying it was achieving most of the things it was trying to do. And this I would say that. Same thing for this rules. This opens so well. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

I like ya. I figured you were gonna like it when you gave me the message like, oh, this fucking goes, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_04 22:14

It just opens up with a a mass shooting in the middle of New York. Right around Bloomingdale on uh Madison Avenue, I think.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Oh, see that's it must have been so fun for you. Because you'll know basically everyone because it's in just streets, in it. The entire film's mostly just in random popular streets.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

Yeah. Uh and it's I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 22:41

It was it was nuts. It was cool watching it, recognizing things, and also just thinking about this happening was kind of creepy.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

What oh, but is it scary to you that a man would climb a water tower and snipe 14 people to death in the middle of the day?

SPEAKER_04 22:59

Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

And man's pulling off some insane shots, he gets that guy on the bike as his first goal. Doesn't even go for a bench.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

They mentioned later that the sights aren't even tuned in properly.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Yeah, it's kind of scary that the last um popular US shooting has strange parallels to this.

SPEAKER_04 23:22

It kind of does, yeah. And then we'll get to it later. There's a scene from a Christopher Nolan movie that I feel like has a couple parallels to this somehow.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

You could see this is one of these movies. It's weird that this isn't talked about more, because I feel like this is one of the if you went to like an author director's favorite 70s movies, this would be in like one of their because this is it's essentially a Cronenberg movie, it's one of the better Cronenberg movies. Just not by Cronenberg.

SPEAKER_02 23:53

Yeah, I see that honestly. This fucking it rules.

SPEAKER_04 23:57

It really does. It's this was a lot of fun to watch. The lead actor is great. It I like that I don't know this guy, but also it would have been fun to see him on something else.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Yeah, for more seems to it's weird because you get B movies and you go, okay, the acting's not gonna be good, but so far we're two for two on Larry Conan bringing great performances from basically all of his cast.

SPEAKER_04 24:23

Yeah, no disappointment. You get people overacting, but it never feels unexpected or uh like it isn't what they asked for.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Like the only thing that I can think of in this movie where I was that is that is just that isn't that's not a good performance in any way, shape, or form, is a man being interviewed on a bench for about ten seconds.

SPEAKER_04 24:47

I don't remember what what does he say?

SPEAKER_01 24:50

It's he's talking like it's when our detective, I forget his name, is going about and he's asking like if anyone knew the shooter and what he was up to recently, and it's another police officer on the d like on a on a on a bench with him, and he's just so like you ever seen like the YouTube things where we go into like crime scene investigations and he's show interview footage.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

Man gives that awkward vibe, he just looks like he does not want to be there at all. He's giving little awkward glances towards the camera.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

Uh it's Peter, by the way, the lead.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

See, I I was scared because I thought when it started, I was like, okay, Chris is gonna fuck with this.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

In the end, I was like, okay, Chris is gonna fuck with this. But in the middle, I was like, I I don't know, maybe I'm gonna lose him a little. I was hoping the New York flair would have pulled you through.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

The New York stuff definitely did.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

The only stuff in this movie that I am not sure about is uh all the sexual assault language and this one character who was not born as a man or a woman, as they put it.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

Just kinda I guess odd stuff in the year of our Lord 2026, but nothing that nothing that impacted my enjoyment of the movie. It what it made me think about was, oh, I wonder if I could recommend this to everyone I wanted to immediately. But I still really enjoyed this movie. It didn't stop me from loving watching this movie. I haven't really thought about it too much. I don't know if it would impact my recommendation.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

No, I think you definitely could recommend this to anyone that likes movies, because the thing is, see if someone doesn't like movies enough to try and meet it at like a strange level, they're not gonna like match with whatever the fuck's happening towards the end of this movie, and they're also not going to watch a low budget 70s psychological anyone that I'm recommending a 70s movie to. Yeah, and it's like even like what genre would you even tell someone this is because it's like a it's a crime s religious sci-fi psychological. It's got a little a little dash of everything.

SPEAKER_04 27:22

I think I would call it a thriller. I would sell it to someone as a thriller.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

See, that's weird because I see people online calling this a sci-fi.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

It definitely well, yeah, no, it is, because there's aliens, there's spaceships in this. But I'm saying to avoid spoilers. Well, if I'm selling it to somebody, I would say thriller is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

See the thing, but the thing is, I would want if I was gonna tell someone about this, I would want them to go in not knowing anything. Because what a fucking movie to go in and not know anything about what's going to happen.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

Yeah, I think thriller is what you could sell it as to let them not know anything. Because you're gonna see people getting shot immediately. Thriller, you know off the bat.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

But like going into this, I thought this was like uh like a mind virus.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Like religious uh what did you think this movie was going to end up being?

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Fallen.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

I'm not seeing fallen because we're but I know, but you asked me and I answered. But like, did you not think see, I'm gonna throw this out here, and I don't know if you're gonna agree or not. Would you consider this Lovecrafty and horror?

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Yes, yes, I would. In in the way that I would consider Ponty Pool. Lovecrafty and horror.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Yeah, but this this definitely has aliens.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

Aliens, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

But Lovecrafty and aliens are more drive you insane and can make you do things for them.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Well, that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

And you see them as like religious deities.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

I see that, okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

And it's usually an investigator running about. Do you also one thing that I was watching this movie? How fun must it have been to be a police detective back when there wasn't any like red tape to go through and you just ran about shouting questions at random people and were finding little clues on your own?

SPEAKER_04 29:24

Yeah, really fun, I bet.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

I can't imagine being it must because like you could just go, I'm going to go question people, and then as you fucked off for the day, no one's gonna know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

No, not at all. And you just flash a badge at them and they go, okay, it's not my problem.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Like you could hang out with your friend for an entire day and then go, oh, um, he said he was near the scene of the crime and would only answer if I bought him some beers.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

That's the mood. I like that.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

So are we uh do you want to go through the movie? Because fuck it, there's a lot of there's a lot of shit that happens in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Well, let's start with Let's close out the opening scene.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

He climbs up this ladder, and I did not know if this guy was gonna get shot in the face or not. Uh it's great all these people telling him God told me to and him slowly getting more and more insane about it.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Well, if we're on the opening water tower scene, surely that wasn't safely filmed.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

That's a great point. No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

I was watching it and I was I was terrified for this man's life watching it. I was like, a hundred percent they've just told this man to hang on to the side of a water tower ladder and we're gonna take some shots.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

Yeah, that's a that's a good point. No, he was not he was in mortal danger filming that.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

And even the shooter, I guarantee him sitting on top of that is probably not recommended. Isn't it windy's fucking New York as well?

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Isn't oh yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

What do you mean, is it Chris? You stay there?

SPEAKER_04 31:12

Well no, I was about to ask you to repeat yourself. Because I did not fully hear you. Uh it is very windy because we're on the water. We're an island.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

I mean, how much of an island are you? You're like you're close enough to mainland.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

It isn't Manhattan is an island. Shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Well let's continue with the movie. Okay. Okay, that's enough. Yeah, it's weird, I feel like like you would think this movie would come up more just because of how well it's aged.

SPEAKER_04 31:49

It really has. I was surprised, this is super watchable. There's really nothing in this movie that feels out of place or like you don't really even need to remake this movie. It's pretty good as is.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

No, but I was meaning more like our social landscape. Like how well this film is edged with like mass spree violence.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

It's like I'm I I keep saying like because there's there's fucking so much shit to talk about in this movie, but because you're gonna need to help me out here. I'm drawing a blank. How's it already half two in the morn?

SPEAKER_03 32:34

Oh, Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

Yeah. Yeah, we're in this, huh? Well, yeah, there's a lot of mass violence in a really creepy way, and no reasonable explanation for it. And no one is really taking it seriously enough.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Kind of more just how prominent it is in modern society, and it's weird that a film would take especially like the the religious reasoning, even though it seems like the characters in it, we we don't really understand why we're doing it. We just have it, oh well, I was supposed to do it for God. Like there's not it's it's like kind of mental health crisis, but it's also like um religious fanaticism causing like social violence, which is a big step up from a little creepy baby that wants milk.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yeah, yeah, very true.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

Yeah, it's a sort of mass delusion causing damage on a societal level.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

So what did you say do you liked our our main character, Peter? Do you not think he's also a bit of an asshole though?

SPEAKER_03 33:53

Absolutely. But he's a cop. He's a Catholic cop.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Yeah, he's a Catholic cop.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

He's like Daredevil just with a gun.

SPEAKER_04 34:04

Yeah. He's Daredevil if he was never humbled.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

But like he's got to you're introduced to him, okay. He he goes up. He does probably what's not police procedure, with a mass shooter on top of a building. A very friendly mass shooter, might I add. Um thought we'd not even talk about the man throws himself off with a front flip.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

Yeah, I thought you were just about to get to that.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

A crazy shot. But the next scene we get, he's with a girl. Okay? And it seems like they're they're a nice happy couple, and then he goes, Oh, I'm going to go see my wife. And then throughout the movie, he's like, he's talking with pimps, and then he meets a prostitute, and she's like, Oh, how did you know his name in that way? You shouldn't know that. So it seems like he's a pretty like sleazebag police officer.

SPEAKER_04 34:59

Yeah, his mistress says, Aren't you gonna actually get divorced? You know, it's it's okay now. And he goes, No, no, I think I'm gonna work it out with my wife, actually. Something like that.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

But do you think he should work it out? Or do you think is it not like because what I read it was was like him and his wife are separated. But because he's Catholic, he doesn't want to go through a divorce.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

I I guess that. I don't remember the wording specifically. I kind of interpreted it as he did want to make it work with his ex.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

But him and his his wife don't work well, because isn't it s sort of implied that because he's this little he's a weird little alien man? Um that he like subconsciously used his powers to like cause miscarriages and shit and didn't want children.

SPEAKER_04 35:57

Yeah, I don't think she wants to be with him. I think she's freaked out.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Well, I don't know, because does he make her kiss him later? What happened?

SPEAKER_01 36:07

I think we just kissed because he's he's in a very strange relationship with his not ex-wife, his uh semi-wife, his half-wife, yeah, his legal wife. Um but my god, his mistress, as you call her, Casey. Yeah, holy man, my man, my man is punching good god.

SPEAKER_03 36:35

Yeah, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Everyone else in this movie is just like it's 70s, everyone is just normal levels of attractive.

SPEAKER_04 36:42

And this lady looks like Michelle Pfeiffer.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah, she's like Michelle Pfeiffer and Uma Furman at the same time. But she her character's a weird addition. What do you what was with her character going about with like the police detectives that seem to be investigating Peter for some reason I assume the little the little old man cult the their god forms.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

Wait, one more time?

SPEAKER_01 37:15

I remember she was like in a room getting interviewed by a bunch of old men about Peter and his like home life and shit.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yeah, I found this fascinating. You mean the uh it seemed like a cabal of rich people, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Yeah, they're they're like investigating Peter through Casey, and she's like half answering their questions, but also doesn't kind of seem to want to, but then is willing to go try and find out more for them.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

Yeah, I don't know what the function of that was. I found I loved it getting revealed that there was this council of rich people that believed that God was talking to them. That was that's great. That's a great part of this movie.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

See, I liked that premise of it, but the thing I loved the most was when they said the only reason that they know it's real is because every single one of them just felt they had to show up right now to this moment, and they all knew why and couldn't explain it.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Yeah, it's super creepy.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

So fucking weird. And also, what do you do in that situation? So you're like the the leader of the New York Police Department and you hear God telling you you have to go into this room at this time on this day, and you go in and it's just all the most powerful people in New York.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Be funny if he arrests everybody.

SPEAKER_03 38:40

Well he's just ruins all the plans.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

What did what did you think okay, I get what was the Catholic angle with him? Because I understand that the reason he doesn't become susceptible to God or what was the character's name? It was Bernard, which is a shit name for for God.

SPEAKER_03 39:04

Yeah, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

He's not susceptible to do you think it's because of his Catholic faith? Because when he meets Bernard later, he says to him, Oh, you have to like just believe in me.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

I am not sure.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

I think his Catholic faith is more evidence that he knew there was a higher power. He didn't realize he was the higher power, and he didn't realize it was the other guy, as he says. Or something similar later.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

So for you it was like internalized knowledge on his part.

SPEAKER_04 39:44

Yeah, he implies at some point that he kept going to church because I think he says he didn't realize it wasn't him with a capital H. Like he he felt a higher power and he felt an importance or calling. Uh he didn't realize that it was specifically for him to be. I guess he's the antichrist, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:11

No, I would say he was the good one. I'd say Bernard is the Antichrist.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Oh, okay. Well, we'll talk more about that.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Uh but I think that funny that two times in a row for this director, you've been like, oh, it's the Antichrist. It's him.

SPEAKER_04 40:27

Yeah, that is interesting. But it it's Catholic. It's a Catholic horror movie, it's not the craziest interpretation.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

Is Catholicism that prominent in New York? Yes. See, it's it's interesting because obviously in UK Christianity, but I don't know specific because you never hear about people being Christian in New York, you always hear about just being Catholics. Well, it's because so many Irish people I was gonna say about Irish immigration from back in.

SPEAKER_04 40:56

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

Oh that's interesting. Because anytime we mention Catholics in New York, I'm like, hey, where's where's Matt Murdoch?

SPEAKER_04 41:06

Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Um what what kind of name do you think Murdoch is?

SPEAKER_01 41:12

Yeah, I know he's got Irish. Don't you don't you be trying this on me?

SPEAKER_04 41:16

Oh no, I'm not trying to trick you, I'm just making it.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

I've seen more of the fucking Daredevil. Do you know how many times I've seen that 2003 Daredevil movie? How many? Genuinely, as a kid, I've probably seen it about 30 times.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

That's that's I think it rules. I like it.

SPEAKER_04 41:33

I think it's better than people say.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

It's so much better than people say. Fucking the kingpin in that movie is incredible.

SPEAKER_04 41:41

Honestly, I think the fight scenes are the only really not great thing about the movie.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

You say that.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

But the one with Kingpin is good, but like the one in the bar sucks.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

No, where he sets the table on fire and walks through it in his big red gimp suit.

SPEAKER_04 41:58

That's cool, but the the actual action isn't well choreographed.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

That's too it's 2003. It's not gonna be the dardeful Netflix show.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

Well, alright. That's still my criticism.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

But you need to meet it at its level. It's a Fox movie from the 2000s. And I'm saying it's good. I'm agreeing with you. Did you not like the the seesaw dance fight with Electron?

SPEAKER_04 42:25

It's fun, yeah. I do like it.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Exactly. There we go. At least we can agree on that point. People hear, people just don't like fun. The Darivel 2000s, see, oh my god, the bullseye is he's just a camera. And he's so fun.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

Does he not kill someone with an olive on a plane?

SPEAKER_04 42:48

Yeah, he kills an old lady, I think.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

I love because like I get in the comics, bullseye is like a horrible evil person. He will do anything just to piss off Matt. But in that movie, he's just an asshole.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

Yeah, he's just he's kind of an idiot too.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

So what okay, in this movie you said you think that our main character is the antichrist. What made you what made you go down that path with him?

SPEAKER_04 43:19

Uh there was a specific line he had where he said, I didn't realize it wasn't him, or something like that. So it just And he is the result of Immaculate Conception.

SPEAKER_03 43:36

It's you know Bernard. Yeah, so Bernard seems like the Jesus figure, pretty clearly to me.

SPEAKER_04 43:47

Yeah, but he's also um Also this guy cuts a bunch of drug dealers' throats.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Yeah, a bunch of drug dealers, and what's Bernard doing? He's massacring people in the streets. Well There's even a line later, I think it's with the little cabal, as you so eloquently put it, where we're talking about, oh yeah, the reason he has to kill people is if you heal a couple of people, all you'll do is strengthen the belief of a few. But like violence can like scare the masses into belief or something like that. And it's like that doesn't seem like a very god a very good thing to do.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

That's a very old testament god thing.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Yeah, I think it depends on your viewpoint of Christianity, I suppose. I don't think I've not seen anything online with Larry talking about his viewpoints. Honestly, I don't think Larry thought too hard about it. To be fair. I don't think he was he was going too in depth with it. I don't think that was the point. I took it as he's a protagonist. Larry is the good version, Wills Bernard. Because even when you first meet Bernard, the motherfuckers, he's in a furnace room underground.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 45:05

Well, alright, yeah, fair. I don't know why that is what Anford. I guess just because of the way he was being presented physically.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Yeah, but that's how the Antichrist is supposed to appear. He's supposed to be a Christ-like figure. That's true. Beware of false prophets, Chris. Come on. You're in New York. You've got the Irish heritage.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

Yeah, but I also avoided being confirmed and stopped believing in God when I was about 14.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Yeah, but Catholicism's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

It is interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Like see for me, I obviously I don't find like I'm I'm not a believer in anything, but for me, it's just like it's an insanely cool storybook. It's like a really, a really funly written It is.

SPEAKER_04 45:53

There's a lot of good tales in it.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

It's like existential dread horror novel. Like fucking Leviathan, Behemoth. The fact that Kins were coming up with fucking Lovecrafting deities back in the year zero. You can't afford them for it.

SPEAKER_03 46:13

No, that's pretty bad.

SPEAKER_04 46:18

That would be my favorite part. Oh, no. Is there a I think a bear eats a bunch of kids for making fun of a man for being bald?

SPEAKER_01 46:32

See, that's fair game. Why why would you have a lot of chair? It's like I like that the bear was on the bald man's side. Was there like a kinch between the both of them?

SPEAKER_04 46:46

I don't I think God told the bear to do it.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

I don't remember. See, that's the film that Larry Coney really should have made.

SPEAKER_04 46:53

Yeah. Bear chasing a bunch of kids through the woods.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Yeah, Disney style animation. But it's a bear mauling little shithead kids for bullying on the stuff. Disney style animation. Well you you can't you can't massacre real kids.

SPEAKER_04 47:17

There's I feel like a little bit of a middle ground. You could pretend to massacre real kids.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

Yeah, but I don't think the P like the ratings board in the 70s would let him away with that.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

That's true. Yeah, yeah, you know what? Good point.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

No argument. I understand the the point you made earlier where just because I'm watching in the background, it's came up now, where he's investigating this Bernard figure that seems to keep showing up at the scenes. And the doctor is like, oh yeah, it was uh uh an immaculate conception. I don't understand his mother was pregnant despite being a virgin, and he's like, Oh yeah, the Did he not say the child was neither male nor female? But he didn't specify genders, he just went, Oh, we just used male because it was easiest. But like I don't I don't think it's to supposed to be taken as like an like an intersex or like a non-binary for me it was just like a oh they were they had the appearance of human, but they didn't have certain human characteristics that we would associate with people. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 48:28

Yeah, I I like that reading of it. Uh the language of it was weird to me, but it also wasn't like I said, I wasn't turned off of the movie or anything. It just I just noted it as something that maybe wouldn't hold up.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

See, it's weird though because you say that, and I was like, hmm, people might take that as a as like a a bad faith reading. But also when I went on Letterboxd and I was looking at lists with this movie, a lot of people put this in their queer and trans horror lists.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

Oh nice, okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

Well, what do I think So it seems to be like weirdly celebrated in a very, very, very small niche community in that way.

SPEAKER_04 49:08

Alright, I love that then.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Yeah, no no complaints. Oh fuck. Scene I don't know how I completely forgot what we were talking about, like him investigating different tragedies. Him in that care home with the man talking about murdering his family. It's a fucking haunting scene. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 49:28

Nuts. Asking the guy if he has any remorse at all.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

Is it's not even him not having any more it's when he's talking about his daughter hiding in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_04 49:38

Oh Jesus, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

And he says, Oh, I told her it was a a toy gun and she could come out to play with it. And when she opened the door, she was laughing.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

I was laughing too when I pulled the trigger.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

It's like, oh it's horrible.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

Yeah. It's good. Oh, there's so much watching this.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

Did you get like I felt like there was a an exorcist vibe, like it's got that sort of like creepy, just kind of like mean atmosphere throughout the film.

SPEAKER_04 50:14

Yeah. Yeah, I see that. I I didn't notice it offhand, but I definitely see that when you mention it.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

The the woman with the knife in the stairway also just I thought our dude was cooked.

SPEAKER_04 50:33

I thought he was dead.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

He thought he was fucked.

SPEAKER_04 50:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

See, that's I think that's the one moment in this movie that editing lets it down. Because I think she falls down that same flight of stairs about three times before she hits the bottom.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

And he gets sliced and falls down half a staircase.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

Fine. She falls down three stairs. I mean, now I know we know why, but it also just I feel like they could have played it a little better. He could have fallen down less of the staircase, and she could have fallen down more of it to kill her.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

Oh, she went like even it's weird because you you look at these shots in this, and there's nothing like on a technical level that's impressive. And then him on the stairs holding her face, and it's like the deep red lighting illuminating her face, and then her like the lights of her eyes catching the camera, so her eyes are glowing when she's screaming. It's like what the is like how how long did that one scene take just to get because I've never I've like the way people like eyes light up in this movie, I've not seen it in any other horror movie. Even when I was trying to do the little promo post for this, I was getting this video up on streaming sites, trying to get a photo of it, and I couldn't because she was fucking screaming too much. And to be fair, that scene is so fucking dark. Like I tried watching this on YouTube, I could that scene is unintelligible.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

You just see some some light wriggling in a stairway.

SPEAKER_04 52:14

That is the darkest scene in the movie, to be fair.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

And I don't think intentionally so. I think maybe we just had a a stairway with no lights.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

Yeah, it's just where they had to film.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

So when see when this movie started to take a sci-fi twist for you, was there any point in that where you were like, okay, it's losing me a little bit?

SPEAKER_03 52:37

No.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

No, not at all. Not even when the you see the woman getting sucked up by the alien spaceship, and she's very clearly just being superimposed on like I don't even know if it's a photo of a landscape, but she's just kind of hovering.

SPEAKER_04 52:55

No, no. It's a fun cheese.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

It's such a it's like it doesn't, it does I feel like it doesn't tonally match the movie. Visually, no, it doesn't. I love the cheese.

SPEAKER_04 53:08

Yeah, it looks good and it I don't necessarily know that it was supposed to not match the movie, it's just that it's what they could accomplish.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

But it's like the rest of this movie's so super high concept, and then it's a flying saucer UFO. I feel like that should take me out of it more than it does.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

That's a good point. Yeah, it doesn't I don't think about it too much. Even though it but it's basically a Prometheus twist, right?

SPEAKER_01 53:38

Well, yeah, because you would go under the assumption if God is one of these aliens and they say Jesus and Moses were one of these aliens.

SPEAKER_04 53:49

Well, do they say Jesus and Moses were the children of these aliens?

SPEAKER_01 53:54

Yeah, but I I assume like that just means that they were they were part of that.

SPEAKER_04 54:00

Oh fair, okay. I'm being pedantic. I gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

But also we're putting aliens as like a human what if it's just like branches of the same the same alien dude?

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Hmm. All of them you think are the same guy?

SPEAKER_01 54:17

Were you with me, Chris?

SPEAKER_03 54:19

Wait, hit me again.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

Do you have a breakfast? I was saying we're looking at this alien as if it's like we're trying to put human terms onto it, because it could just be but this is they're all just like connections of the one alien. Like we don't know if these are little green men.

SPEAKER_03 54:39

No, don't they say it's like a made of light or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 54:46

Yeah, it's like a a a gentle light the woman describes it as.

SPEAKER_03 54:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

And it's like the what if 'cause it would mean that these people have superhuman powers. Okay, so they're not human basically at all. Because if Jesus is one of them, the man the man turned water into wine.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

Like they're they're like far beyond like human so but do you think that means like And Moses controlled the ocean?

SPEAKER_01 55:18

So are we just implying in this movie that there is no God and that we we're just little descendants from alien people?

SPEAKER_04 55:27

Yeah. I think it that's why I mentioned Prometheus. It feels like that's what they're implying.

SPEAKER_00 55:33

But at that point, would that not just mean that God is an alien?

SPEAKER_01 55:38

Because that just means that there is a higher power.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Yeah, I mean it's a matter of perspective.

SPEAKER_04 55:43

Yeah, definitely. I think it would freak some people out that then there's no God above that alien. Once you can perceive of let's say where God eats and sleeps and where God's grave could be. You know, that's that's a problem for some people's belief.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

But I find it a silly problem, because then who made God?

SPEAKER_04 56:08

That's I agree. I completely agree with that argument. I have no complaints with that. Because there's always gonna gotta be a bigger fish at that point, you know. You can't say I need the universe to be explained by God, because then what what what does God mean? What is that?

SPEAKER_01 56:27

Because think about like little microbial beings on a human skin. To us, we're a god, and then imagine if we heard that God was made by two bigger gods that squirted juices into each other, and then one inflated and then made another god, and then we're on that one.

SPEAKER_04 56:47

I would be so grossed out. I would be so grossed out. We're horny gods.

SPEAKER_00 56:58

But wait, to to like bacteria, we are horny gods.

SPEAKER_03 57:02

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

Well you think God gets sick wet?

SPEAKER_03 57:07

Yes, I hope so. Deserves it.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

But he made he made a man and woman with no clothes and left them in a garden together and went, do that what you will.

SPEAKER_01 57:16

Just don't touch my apple tree. Just don't touch my apples. It's like for the love of God, I grew this one tree and I want to keep this good, and you just not touch this one fucking tree. This is the one good spot.

SPEAKER_04 57:31

I'm letting you stay here also. Just don't be a dick about it.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

Like, this is my man cave, this is my time out moment. I swear if I've gave you infinite food, you don't need food.

SPEAKER_03 57:43

I swear to you.

SPEAKER_01 57:46

I swear to me. I swear to me, you guys. I swear to me. And then one snake comes along and goes, Hey, I think you should eat that apple.

SPEAKER_04 57:56

And everything is done.

SPEAKER_00 57:58

Everything fell apart.

SPEAKER_03 58:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

Didn't take much. So what did you we're just gonna jump because I feel like as much as there is there's definitely more to this movie, I don't think there's too much more to talk about because for the vast part it is just Paul walking about going, hey, do you know what happened with that little say it?

SPEAKER_04 58:19

Who told you to? I do want to mention the the parade with all the cops that feels like the scene in the dark knight rises with or in the dark knight, my bad, with uh David Desmouse.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

I think it's also funny that this is the second movie in the role where he's had police officers die in insanely stupid ways.

SPEAKER_03 58:41

True. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:43

That motherfucker took out five people when someone had already grabbed the gun in his hand.

SPEAKER_04 58:50

Why didn't they disarm him? It's so funny. He blasts several cops.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

Why didn't we just shoot him? Is the bigger question.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

Great question. Well, yeah, they do to end it eventually. And I like that they don't even they're not really trying to like he gets shot in the head, and they're not trying to do a big squib or anything on his head. They just you know, they don't have the budget for it, so they just don't show it. They just show the guy dead.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

Well, to be fair, the bullet wounds they show are really good.

SPEAKER_04 59:24

The the ones they do show are great. Yeah. Which is why I don't mind that they don't show bullet wounds when they can't afford it.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Because it's not even like like we don't do like your typical horror movie, someone gets a hole blasted through them, it's just a bang, and then there's a squirt of blood, and they're like, I'll fuck I've been shot.

SPEAKER_04 59:43

Which is more weird. I don't know if you noticed who had me cackling, who gets shot and then goes, oh, and sort of like jumps and uh his arms flail about and he stumbles into a tree.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

No, the one person that had me laughing during the opening scene is the one guy in the brown suit that sees the shooting going down and just curls up into a ball in the corner and pretends not to move.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:09

Yeah, he pretended to be dead. That guy had me laughing, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

A motherfucker's not aiming at you. God is shooting that gun to watch you. He knows you're alive. That's so funny. Um well, what did you think about the if God can can control all these people because they're not other little alien men? Um there's that one guy that phones to warn about the shooting at the parade, and he seems a bit kind of iffy on whether or not he can be controlled.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:46

I don't think they're being controlled. Everything seems to be suggestion.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:53

You know, like these people are happy to do what they're doing, but they're doing it willingly, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:01

Well, we no, because we get the guy who's like, okay, we're gonna get Paul on God's side. We're not gonna we're not gonna shoot him. We're just gonna have a talk. And the second Paul starts asking questions, he's like, You can't do that, don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:15

Oh, that's very true. Yeah, fuck. That's the one thing that really wrecks it, doesn't it? Yeah, interesting. Because then they also they do kill that that one guy with the goatee right after he drops off. Maybe it was uh they were just letting him do his thing so he could draw in our our good buddy, the main character, who I've forgotten the name of already.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

Yeah, but we we get that guy come back, the one that warns him, because he tries to kill him like in the subway and then fails and just kind of goes, yeah, I'm not. This is I don't I don't I can't kinda do this thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:55

Yeah, maybe the aliens knew he wouldn't kill him and wanted him to bring him down.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:00

Or do you think maybe he was just a bit shit? And he was just unfortunately what God was.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:07

He was definitely a bit shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:11

Like he was stood at the edge of the train and he still fucked it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:16

Yeah, it's very funny how he fucks it up too. He almost gets pushed in front of the train himself.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:22

I feel like I'm just gonna bring this up because this I'm watching this in the background. See this whole pimp subplot? I this is nonsensical, right? This is like, yes, why is this in this film?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:37

Just to give him people to kill later, I think. And to have this I think to have the pimp kill um the cop at some point and have it be sort of a defeat moment.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

Yeah, but the second you see the little like meeting room that's got all the like police detectives in it anyway. So it's never like he was gonna get help from the rest of the police department.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:05

True.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

I don't know if maybe it's supposed to be like uh a parallel to like he obviously abuses the the girls he owns, if it's like a a control over someone's bodily at all on the me with the aliens. That just isn't fleshed out enough. Like that men can do good and bad, and here's an example of a bad person that does similar things to what these aliens do.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:37

Yeah, I say that. I think it there's a level like you said, where there's just not a message to the movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

But I also think maybe Larry just had some friends and was like, I need to keep these people employed. So I'm going to create a subplot. I love your fucking Halloween ass door.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:02

I know. It's loud as fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

Do you not have oil in your house or any form of lubricant?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:10

I'm gonna get oil and lubricate every single door in this house. No, we don't have any right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:18

Not all used up.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:21

Yeah, yeah, I've been using it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:25

See when you work in I don't know if you get it in your work. Have you ever seen like the giant industrial-sized edible lube tubes?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:33

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

I I just think it very, very funny. When I was working in um like my food place, a lot of our machines have like regular checkups where you would have to get this giant comically large size tube which is this edible lube across the front of it. And it's like, surely is that like a wholesale price? Surely most lube. Surely that's not poisonous.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:08

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:10

It doesn't necessarily taste good even if it's edible, but I guess like the o the water-based ones, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:17

I feel like all of them have to be, surely. You can't be you know, like slapping up in there with some toxic gel.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:26

Well, yeah, but edible is the different That's the stomach.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

Well I don't think anyone's drinking the tubes.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:33

No, I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

Well you do get the strawberry flavored one. Maybe maybe there's someone out there right now who's got like a you and me situation going on where having a conversation. Instead of cowpol, it's the strawberry lube tubes.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

Maybe. You know what? Send me some. I'll try it out, I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

I'll send you the tingly ones and see if it's spicy.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

Okay, yeah, please.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

But um where where else do you want to go on this? Because I feel like we're covering most of it at like a a relatively quick pace.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:08

We are the music is good.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

It's not it's again not like super notable or something I want to mention for too long, but it is really good for the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

Yeah, I mean well, I noticed the score. The only thing I really noticed with the score was the choir music. The choir music is crazy good. And everything else is just kinda it's it's it's passable. Yeah. If I look at the composer for this, he's not done anything really of note past this. But it's strange because then like the choir songs kick in, I'm like, he could like if you got this motherfucker to do the Dark Souls movie, he would kill that shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:50

Apparently, the guy who scored It's Alive was supposed to score this, scored Taxi Driver and then died before he could.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

Well, I mean that's a fairly good swan song to go off on, innit?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:05

The guy who scored Q wrote two of the songs for this movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

Oh, so oh wait, there's two choir songs in this movie. That's exciting. Big gothic church music for visitor Q. Not Vizor Q, I keep calling it Visitor Q.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:21

You keep calling it Visitor Q.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

It's the dragon movie, it's not the breast milk movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:26

There's like a big difference.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:30

What if we go next week and I accidentally just watch Visitor Q instead?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:35

Maybe you should watch both just in case.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:39

I can't believe Larry Conan pulled off a Japanese film to this level of quality. Okay, so we get Bernard.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:51

Oh shit, that is Andy Kaufman as the police assassin. So in the David Desmalchian X-esque role with Andy Kaufman.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:01

Yeah, it was such a apparently um Larry Conan just showed up to his set and was like, hey, I'm making a movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:08

Do you want to be in a movie?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:11

And then somehow that worked out. Tight. I feel like you couldn't do that nowadays. There'd be so much shit where it's like, oh well, I have to talk to my agent, and then I'm scheduled for these things.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:23

Yeah, and then there's like liability waivers, and then the agent's gonna want to argue about royalty, you know, yeah, it would be a whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

I fucking hate the film landscape now. It's sick just being able to watch old movies where it's like some guy went, I filmed us on the street and we scared some people, someone thought someone was dying. But it all worked out in the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:44

It did work out in the end. What a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

Cause I'm sure like a lot of the like street shots you get in this, it was just a lot of random people that they were like, hey, I'm going to do a movie, can you stand here for a bit?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:57

I would do it. Don't have to pay me, I'll be in a movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:01

I mean, you're in New York, do you not see movie sets kicking about all the everyday?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:06

Oh yeah, yeah. And uh I'll chat with not every day. No, no, no, not that often, but I'll if I can, I'll chat with some of the set people. There's still you know what? I haven't seen Born Again. I'll have to see. There was a shoot where I talked to some p camera crew, and I'm pretty sure it was a Netflix, like Daredevil shoot, but they couldn't tell me that. Because whatever they told me it was, I looked up and could not find any evidence of.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:39

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:40

They were just snacking between shoots. They were doing B-roll.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:46

Oh, okay, okay. Because there's an there's elements of Born Again where they were like they interview New Yorkers about the current political state of New York. What's in the world?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:59

No, they were they're gonna be rigged to get just shots of the street.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:05

So I'm not gonna build up the finale and see your ass talking about like roadworks or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:10

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. You never know.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

I'm not surprised if you just kept that hidden, knowing that I've been watching Daredevil.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:23

Yeah, it would be. I'm lying about not having seen Daredevil. It's a tricky.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

You're actually Daredevil? Charlie Cox Daredevil. Oh, you've been laughing about your Catholic face this entire time.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:38

How'd you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:41

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:42

I did think Charlie Cox was Irish because of Boardwalk Empire, and I was disappointed to find out that he's British.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

Yeah, I was gonna say he's English as fuck, is he not? Yeah, he really is. It still fries me when he like and interviews acts that he can see. It looks wrong. That's funny. And we do you not think he's weirdly more attractive when he's acting blind?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:07

I can see that, yeah. Cause he's He's affable, but he's very goofy. But when he's blind, he's very stoic.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:17

Yeah, that's exactly the phrase I was going for. Is that he he he just gives aura when he's blind? See when he's talking to people and he's just staring right through them.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:27

I always wonder what he's thinking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

Yeah, but see when you think of dead devil, how much do you think Stan Lee thought of the complexities of a Catholic lawyer that dresses as a devil that does vigilante justice in the middle of the night? Or did you think he just went, Oh, that's funny irony. We'll do that as a fun character.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:50

Irony, funny irony is what he thought about.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

Like I feel that's gotta be like the greatest fuck up, because it's like how you can't think of a better character to write than a Catholic lawyer that is a vigilante that dresses as the devil.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:07

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:08

I don't think And also is blind.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

Either it was a joke or he stole it from someone.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

Oh Stanley was quite quite prominent for doing that. Or do you think he had two characters and he was like, I have this blind Catholic guy, and I have this devil guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:26

And I don't want to bother writing two stories.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

He's like, I've got one slot, which points. I've got one slot, I've got one one space for one more guy. I've stolen Spider-Man, he's there. And now I've got one more guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:43

Yeah, fuck it. I'll just tie them all together.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:47

So Bernard. The the movie it goes weird towards end. So he starts, he he kinda like he can sense his magical powers growing. I don't I don't understand what the catalyst was, I guess maybe just uh exposure to Bernard's power. Like because he's starting to understand that this is a thing, he can feel it more within himself.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:12

Yeah, it's just believing, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

But this movie this movie takes a turn for the worst. I sent you a photo of me mouth a gate telling you that you in a million years before what I just saw at the end of this movie. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:34

Not specifically offhand.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:37

This movie has a fucking crazy ending.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

It does have a crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:41

I'm thinking about the the our main character dancing through the building, the fiery building at the end was my favorite part.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:49

Yeah, but okay, I was I was chilling. I had ordered a Jollibee. I was just munching, I was watching this film, and then I was like, okay. Our our b our Bernard here, he's getting a little incesty with our with our main character here. He's like, oh, we should have children together. I said, he just called them your brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:10

Oh, you're right. This is maybe the most Cronenbergie part of the movie, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:15

He has a rib vagina.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:18

He has a rib vagina.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

How did I forget? I was uh see in movies where someone's eating food and it comically drops out of their hand as they stare in shock.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:31

That's what happened to you?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:34

I felt my mouth just hang. I was like, what the f if we're like Okay, this is what I mean. How is no one talking about this film? You think the movie with the rib vagina incest devil would would be of more note for the casual audience?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

I don't know, it's really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:54

And this is what I mean by like, hyperically, you watch a movie review of this, those motherfuckers are gonna use that scene to sell you on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

True, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:05

Anyone talking about the thing is gonna show the stomach scene.

unknown 1:15:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:09

Anyone talking about a nightmare on Elm Street is gonna use the bed looming down or the hand in the shower. They always use the best scenes, and there's no way that if I ever saw anyone talk about this movie, I wouldn't have not known about the rib pussy.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:26

And that's such a I don't know, it is such a a horror image from like pre-2000s. That's something you feel like people would be talking about.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:39

Aside from his rib gash, do you think that his ax wind?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:48

No. Um Alright, continue. What was the rest of your question?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:52

His arse pocket.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:54

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

So do you think that means when the doctor said that he wasn't male femur, do you think he also is hanging on? Do you think he's got pocket?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:03

That's a great question. Do you think it's somewhere weird though, like off his calf?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:09

I think it's on one of his arse cheeks.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:12

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:15

One one has the dong, one has the That makes sense. You have to be really careful when he sits down.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:21

Yes. Really, really careful.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:25

Oh, you have a helicopter that's in like one of those little crack whips.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:30

Yeah, bouncer.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:33

Bouncer. But it's like what did But surely if okay, so he's an alien. So he has he has the the torso gash, okay? Does that not mean Paul should also have it? I guess or do you think when you ascend it just like open in your side?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:57

I don't have a good answer for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:02

Do you think Bernard was using it as like a visual aid? Or do you think that's actually useful?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:08

Visual aid.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:09

Yeah, visual aid.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:11

Oh my god. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:14

Fran, he's in a moment of shock, okay? He's like, we have to have babies. He's like, Do you what? I'll show 'em. I'll give him a little peek. It was under my dress to really hammer this home.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:25

Can you tell me if you got answers to these questions? Would you be satisfied? Um that please you or would it just disturb you more?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:38

No, I find uh this is this is merely a question of intrigue.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:43

Uh-huh. Scientific intrigue.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:46

Because his dad because his dad's a light. He's a big alien light, so how does that but do you think like the fallopian tubes are in the lungs?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:57

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:00

I really seem his babies are born two at a time. So do you think like he just gets two pregnancy bumps for boobs?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:08

I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:10

In which case, where does the milk come from?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:13

Oh Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

So there's a lot of there's a lot of intriguing questions that I feel like it's intriguing. Yeah. See if you I okay, IRO, you're you're talking to someone and they're like, oh, by the way, I have a pussy for for for a rip bone. You wouldn't not have questions.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:36

I would walk away.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:38

But what if they're willing to prove it to you?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:42

I don't know. I really don't I can't put myself in that situation.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

But is it just like the reproductive stuff there? Or does he still have the pee hole down? Cause it's gotta be hard to piss at the ribs, surely. That's a great question.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:00

But it's nice if you have two areas you can pee from, get it done twice as fast.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:05

No, think about it. I see when you're drunk, the amount of times you would go to piss down the way and you would piss sidewards.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:11

Oh, that sucks.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:13

And it would be crazy. Imagine you're at a bar and you walk in, and there's some guys like he's doing Pilates over the urinal.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:23

Over two urinals.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:25

Over two urinals. He's got like one leg in the air doing a half handstand.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:31

I would I would leave.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:35

Although, to be fair, if his dick was in his ass and the pee hole was fair, just sit down.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:41

Well, you know, if you just sit down, what are you gonna do with the the torso? Uh uh plug it. Plug it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:52

Plug it. Goes both ways, force it won't go on. But the problem is, if it say uh hypothetically, you've you've got your dick on your ass, okay? And you gotta sit down for a piss.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:02

You're almost tipping every single time. Oh, that's horrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:06

I guess it depends on what you're working with back there.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:10

I've got to imagine an alien's hanging fucking blonde, man. Imagine you've got to see a really dick and they've rocking a little chode. I'd just be embarrassing. But that's not who you send.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:23

That's what you would hope for, though, right? If that's the situation you're in, it's poking up off your ass. You don't want to be hanging down.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:31

You don't want to be, but I've been it's okay, we're we've got we've got one human that we need to send to an alien planet. And we know these aliens are gonna check our biology. We're not sending someone with with uh with a little torture, and you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:44

That's true. You're giving them a game. Yeah, you want to show your best.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

But then I wonder if you're setting like false expectations for the aliens when they come back.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:55

That's funny, false advertising.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:05

Where'd it all go?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:07

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:09

Someone's been here before us and took half of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:12

Oh Jesus. Can't let them get away with that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:16

We needed to graft them on our chest, we keep tip-tipping every time we try and sat in your toilets.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:22

Yeah, in hindsight was a mistake.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:28

Yeah, so you'd have to bother every time.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:31

You you decided you were gonna skim past this moment and see this is what this is what an open mind leads you to, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:41

Tell me.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:48

To retrospection.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:52

That's what philosophy is, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:54

This is philosophy.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:56

This is worthwhile philosophy.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:59

Do you not think Socrates was thinking about dipping if you sit down at a bad angle?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:06

I think everyone was thinking about it at some point.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:10

Well then exactly you've proven my point.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:14

I guess so. Yeah, but that's that's like minor philosophy. That's morning philosophy.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:22

So what's what's so what would you consider a major philosophy?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:26

If not alien reproductive systems, like the impact that the aliens have on human life.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:35

They're stealing our dongs.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:38

Well, they're literally stealing our dogs.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:41

They are, because you wake up, you go to sleep one day, you wake up smooth the next. Oh, I would kill myself. I feel like no, men's fashion would would get so. Wait, no, I'm watching hold on, the movie's in the background. The um one of the the was a there's a there's an alien flashback of one of the women being taken, and we see her rib opening into a rib pussy. So this must just be a thing that we can do to the human body.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:12

Weird. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:15

I wonder. Do you think many humans would take advantage of that if that was an option?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:20

Yeah. You wouldn't want to know who.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:24

No, I would definitely want to know who I'd be getting in.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:27

It'd be like your dad.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:30

I don't know him, that's okay. He can have fun with it. So he meets he meets his weird incest brother, and they're like, okay, we're we're gonna we're gonna make babies together. Why does why does the house blow up? Like I get he's like, no, I I will not fuck your running. Yeah, he slaps the fuck out of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:56

It's very funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:59

I don't know if Larry just didn't know how to end the movie. And he was like, I fuck it, he just hits him a bunch.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:05

Yeah, he's just he's slapping him.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:08

Cause it seems like surely anyone could have just done this to him then.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:14

Yeah. Really, yeah. It's he dies like a human.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:20

But like, why does Okie Soda the the house I think the building probably collapses just because they're both upset and they both have superpowers.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:29

Well, it's almost like a scanner's ending.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:33

I haven't seen scanners, but probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:36

I don't actually know if the house ends it then, it's kind of I was just assuming so it felt like it would have. But I don't get why okay, so he's a police detective, right? And he's going after the person that he believes is causing all these little god murder riot things, and everyone says there was a guy with long blonde hair causing it, and then he goes into seemingly an abandoned building and gets into a fight with a man with long blonde hair and kills him. So why is he then done for the murder of him? Surely that you would just take that as oh, he got him.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:16

Yeah, but you can't just do that as a cop.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:19

In 70s New York?

SPEAKER_04 1:25:22

No, I think it like it depends on a lot of context, but that's a white guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:31

Well, it's a white guy with a vagina on his chest that um was trying to impregnate him.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:38

Yeah, but they're not they're not gonna believe him and they're not like listening to the coroner, or that they're just they're just seeing that he shot and killed a white guy, and they're going, oh, this is we're gonna arrest you. And we don't know that he we also don't watch enough of afterwards to know that the the coroner doesn't investigate and then they go, oh, this is weird, and then they go, oh okay, we'll let him out, because that was a weird situation. You know, this is just the reaction to the situation.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:07

But yeah, okay, so we'll we'll just we'll just wrap this up because I think we're I spend more time on Red Pussy than any more scene, like any time on any individual scene in this film.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:18

It is pretty notable, to be fair.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:20

It is like it's the one thing that even I feel like as an old man, if I think about this movie, I'll be like, I was I was eating a double a double spicy chicken jolly bee burger at that time. I was I was thrown through a a bit of a loop. But why okay, so do you think when Paul turns to the camera at the end when asked why he killed him, he says, Oh God told me to Do you think this is supposed to be like an implication that he's that he's become the bad one, or that he's under control by by Big Daddy God alien, or do you think this is just a little cheeky wink and nod to the camera?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:04

It seems like he did that willingly. It doesn't feel like he's under control. I think he's just going crazy to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:12

Well, say your long estranged brother showed up and was like, I'm going to um I want you to impregnate me. Do you not think you would be um a little thrown out of whack?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:26

No, I just do it. You just go for it. Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, exactly. Uh yeah, no, I definitely would be thrown out of whack. I think that throws her whole life out of whack.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:45

Maybe okay, here's here's a little it's probably not this. But what if he's reached such a a state of enlightenment, he now knows that he's in a fictional world? And just come to the camera and won't be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:02

He's Deadpool.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:04

Yeah. Because isn't that the thing with Deadpool? Is like he's he's went so far past the point of insanity that he realizes that reality isn't real. It is. And isn't that a good idea?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:17

I like to think of it as an incident. Or as like a coincidence. I like to think of it as he has a specific form of mental illness that makes him believe he is in the comic book issue he is in, but he doesn't know he's in the comic. He just has a mental illness that makes him believe that. That's the way I like to see it.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:36

Others.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:37

Actually, I've never thought about it like that. But isn't there other characters in the comics that if they're powerful enough they can they can come to the understanding that they are not real?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:49

Yeah, I think that that's the problem with it, is there is actually a veneer of understanding that the characters can have, and Deadpool does actually know about the real world. But that's that's the more fun idea to me, is that he is just insane, but he is insane in a way that like creepily lines up with reality somehow.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:13

Like when you get like when you find those insane conspiracy theory pages, and then there's like one every year that turns out to actually be correct.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:23

Yeah. Yeah, and you're like, what the fuck? Which what which of these other ones that I wouldn't have noticed are correct?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:31

What's what's your favorite conspiracy theory that turned out to be correct or not?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:37

Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I feel like the government having something to do with the death of JFK.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:45

Oh, no, that's a pretty easy. I don't even think that's good. Well, yeah, that's just that's that's a that's basically a fact at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:53

My favourite one was always people back in the day would theorize that the Tor browser was surveyed by the government and was run by the FBI, and how it turns out it was surveyed by the government and run by the FBI.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:07

That's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:08

And we just kind of let some bad shit happen on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:10

Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:13

But it's like it makes you wonder how okay, so the government knows of all the bad shit that's happening on Tor browsers. So what's the shit that they're looking for on it?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:24

Right, what are they trying to stop?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:27

I was about to say, because there's I mean it's like there's snuff live streams for child sex trafficking on there. Yes. That's not the worst on it. What could be on it?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:45

That's scary to think about.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:51

But uh it seems like there was also the the child stuff's mostly gone now because it's like a whole thing that the an actual anonymous hacker group deals with.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:04

Okay. Yeah, that's true. Huh? I wouldn't be surprised.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:20

For some reason, whenever we do these episodes, it's the only time Theo will intentionally climb up my hand.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:26

What's he up to right now?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:28

Uh he's uh made his way up and now he doesn't know what to do with himself.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:33

Great.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:34

No, he did a little jump. Oh but yeah, this is I would say this is the movie that you've been the most excited for from just like in the 27 weeks we've been here.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:48

The movie that I've been the most excited for?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:51

Yeah, because obviously there was um Prince of Bartons, but you knew you liked that.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:57

That's true, yeah. Yeah, and I'm the most most excited for Q, but uh Yeah, I was I was looking forward to this.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:12

I don't think Q is gonna be it's just a big dragon, innit?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:17

I yeah, I don't think Q is gonna be incredible, but I'm expecting it to be fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:25

So I'm expecting it to be fun, but for me, the stuff because obviously if we're if we're gonna we're gonna rank them, like I said last time, this is like there's no competition, this is above it lives. Not it lives, yeah, it lives. It's alive oh it's alive. The fucked up thing is I keep getting the first like it's alive, it lives, mixed up. But he said, like well, I was watching an interview with Larry Cowan about God told me to, and apparently everyone kept thinking it was called God Made Me Do It, so they had to change the title in different countries to Demon, which is so much worse.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:03

It is way worse, and it kind of gives it away too much.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:07

And Joe, the fucked up thing, was see every single time I looked up this movie that wasn't going on Larry Conan's letterbox list, I always looked up God Made Me Do It.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:16

It's a good title.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:18

It is, but it's like surely that just proves the Mandela effect to just be a collective false memory. But even I can look at a movie multiple times in a week and then still fuck up as much as every single other American that went to go see this movie to a point where they had to change the title.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:36

Yeah, that's true. That's true. What was the what was the movie title we were talking about just before this?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:44

It lives.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:45

Oh yeah. Well, it's alive, but the uh the sequels are It Lives Again. So the sequels are It Lives. Just the first one is called It's Alive.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:55

Okay, so he's fucking me up. What's Larry pulling this for?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:00

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:00

Why is he changing his sequel's title?

SPEAKER_04 1:34:03

I don't know. Because you can't say it's alive again. He didn't think ahead is the problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:11

You could say it's alive again, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:14

You can, but it doesn't sound as good as it lives again. But if you just made it lives, that sounds like a Frankenstein movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:22

Yeah, but you could say it's alive. Well it's alive also sounds like a Frankenstein thing. T-O-O, It's alive too.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:32

That's that's true. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:36

I think I think he just does it to fuck with people.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:39

Maybe. I could say that.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:42

Do you think you'll watch any other besides It Lives, do you think you'll watch any other Larry Cohen movies this month?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:50

Well, I would obviously we have the two coming up, but I'm at the end of Salem's Lot, I am excited to see what his version of uh Return to Salem's Lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:00

Oh true, I forgot he did that.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:03

Uh I was watching an interview with him and apparently Warner Brothers just approached him and was like, We want a movie called Return to Salem's Lot, you can do whatever you want. So it'll be fun, especially with his like level of camp, because there's I feel like in the original TV movie, Toby Hooper takes the source material so seriously, and when you read the book, there is a lot of cringe shit in that fucking book. I feel like a light-hearted tone would make it work a lot better.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:34

Interesting. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:36

I remember liking a lot of the Toby Hooper movie. I just didn't think it pulled together in the ending as well as it could have.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:47

But there is it's it's it works, it's fine enough for what it is, but there is one shot that we keep reusing of the Marston house with the moonlight hitting it, and oh my fuck, I never knew my TV could get so dark. See the blacks in that scene. Oh, it's such a good fucking shot, man. Nice holy sh and then it's like the rest of the film just looks like a TV movie. Yeah. Oh, worse for that. Fucking uh Danny Glick at the window. Fantastic scene, incredible scene. So good he used it three times in one fucking movie. Salem's Lot when he's chapping on the the window.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:30

Oh yes, my bad. Yeah. Oh, fantastic. I was back on God Talkman 2.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:37

Yeah, I figured we'd rant about this towards the end. Obviously, special effects with Zoe Lund might get that blueberry. Right now I'm tossed up between I'm either gonna buy that as another one of his movies, or I'm going to splurge on the Basket Case trilogy. It's one or the other.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:53

Oh, Basket Case trilogy sounds fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:56

We still need to get to two. We still need to get to I feel like Larry Cohen would fucking love Basket Case 2. I don't know why it just seems like his vibe.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:07

Well, I mean, that's we were gonna pick uh before we picked just Larry Cohen, we were gonna do a New York month, and Basket Case 2 was gonna be on the list, so we'll have to do that again at some point.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:19

Chris, we could do a fucking year on New York horror series of mountain films, but don't go under New York horror.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:25

You kidding me? I would love to do a year on New York horror.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:29

Even fucking 1408 is set in New York.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:33

Um, Driller Killer is set in New York. Obviously, got basket's two and three. Would you argue Spider-Man 2 is a horror movie set in New York?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:43

No, but it's funny because we talked last week about the parallels to that scene in Spider-Man 2.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:50

Isn't Evil Dead Rise in New York?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:53

Is it? I don't remember specifically.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:56

I feel like Gremlins 2 is New York.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:59

Yes, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:01

And you've got Jason. Ghostbusters Ghostbusters, Jason takes Manhattan.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:07

Jason takes Manhattan is in Canada for a lot of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:11

Yeah, but he walks he walks down.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:15

He does walk into Manhattan at the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:19

He he has and then he walks into a sewer to never see Manhattan again.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:23

True.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:25

And then somehow winds back up at Camp Crystal Lake.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:30

Yeah, good for him.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:32

Good for him. I think MS45 is set in New York.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:36

Well, I mean Crystal Lake is in New Jersey. It's not far away from New York.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:41

You'd be hard pushed to get me to do a rape revenge movie in New York, but I'm pretty sure most of them are set in New York. Oh. I'm looking through the movie. I've got too many Asian horror movies.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:51

I feel like I've diluted the whole, I can't really think of any offhand. I mean Cloverfield, but we already did the episode on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:00

And then isn't Tin Cloverfield Lane set slightly outside of New York?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:05

No, I think it's set outside Chicago. Oh. Different songs.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:13

But fuck it, genuinely, I feel like it seems like every single 70s horror movie is set in New York. It's starting to feel like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:24

Yeah, I suppose that was God Told Me To.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:28

Yeah. Yeah, God told me to watch it. Go watch it. Even if you listen to this, even if you heard everything we talk about, go watch it.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:36

I feel like if you hear about uh a rubgash, you really have to watch our film. Yeah, you'd learn more about yourself. Maybe maybe open your brain up to a couple new things.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:50

Yeah, open up open some other things too. Sorry. Uh if you want to get in touch, you can email us at theuncannyvalleypodcast at gmail.com. If you want to follow us on Instagram, we're at theuncannyvalleypod. Good night.