UV29 - Q THE WINGED SERPENT (1982)

Hunt a dragon through New York with Chris and Charlie

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Yeah. As we walk through the uncanny family of death, we shall hear no evil. So like even when I just look at the cue on streaming, visitor cues what comes up.

SPEAKER_05 0:25

What's so weird is I'll probably put this in the podcast so that people know. When I look this up on Amazon, it doesn't show up. But if I search for Q the Winged Serpent through my Fire Stick home or on Google, I can find the link for it and then watch it on Amazon. But for some reason at this point, if I search for it directly on Amazon, it's just not showing it.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

No, I get do see in America, see the reason you can watch Q, is it because it's on Amazon or is it because it's on an add-on from another streaming service through Amazon?

SPEAKER_05 1:09

It's just on Prime, as far as I can tell. And it's also fucked because it says with commentary. So the first time I watched it, I watched it on fucking Tubi with ads, because I thought it would have commentary on Amazon. And then I tried to watch it again with commentary, and there's no commentary.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

I've explained to you the film is the commentary, Chris. I don't get why you that's because does it not say it in the title? It's not Q of the Winged Serpent. It's Q of the Winged Serpent with commentary as the title.

SPEAKER_05 1:42

Yeah, it says it in brackets. Q the Winged Serpent. And also Q the Winged Serpent. I don't know why, but that's how I feel like it's supposed to be pronounced.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

And then I'm not sure. Yeah, I was talking about this to someone the other day. Why is it winged and not winged? Because surely it should be winged. So why do we say winged?

SPEAKER_05 1:59

No, I like winged.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

But it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_05 2:03

Well, it's like old English-y.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Well, uh, you're an American wants to talk to you about it.

SPEAKER_05 2:09

Beware you winged serpent. You know?

SPEAKER_01 2:13

This is okay, this is a side thing. I think it was in Tomodachi, but it sparked it in me, and I was like, what the fuck do Americans say? Do you guys ever talk about fancying someone? Because I feel like to fancy someone is like a very old English term, but everyone in the UK still uses it. And that was in the fucking Zoom night. And I was like, oh fuck, that's such an old English term. It's an old one. It's like an old English movie. Yeah, but we still use it. Like it's see like especially if kids like other kids, we've got or do you fancy them?

SPEAKER_02 2:50

No, that's a crush here. If you're young. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Now you can have a crush on someone when you're older.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

Well, you can, you can. That's just I haven't heard people use that term in a long time, is what I mean. That's that's what kids say a lot.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

I feel like the term crush I I don't mind the term.

SPEAKER_05 3:11

I would use it still.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

I think it's a you know I think it's more used for like an immature attraction to someone.

SPEAKER_05 3:19

Or it's like it's like kind of childlike an infantilized attraction that sort of makes you.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Yeah, because if you if you say you have a crush on someone, isn't it like you're not going, oh I want to fucking raw dog them over the couch. It's like a more pure thing.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

You're like swooning over them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

That's your mum already clicked off of us. She's like, I've had enough.

SPEAKER_05 3:44

Yeah, you no, there's no notion of horny in crush. Crush is like, I'm gonna kiss this person and hold their hand.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

And like I'm gonna blush and like hold both my hands when you talk to me.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

I don't know why, but I'm imagining Patrick's stomach.

SPEAKER_05 4:03

Definitely not, I want to run my fingers up the back of this person's head and pull their hair all the way back.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Honestly, I thought the fingers were going somewhere else. Oh, Chris, do you have the movie working? Because I have the movie working. And it's working in better quality than the fucking DVD. Why did I buy the DVD of this?

SPEAKER_05 4:26

Because it's cool. Send it to me if you don't want it.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

It's region locked. What are you gonna do with it?

SPEAKER_05 4:32

I'll get a region locked player.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

What do you mean a region lo- your region locked, your region one? Unlocked player. Just fucked up. Well, some American companies will do a zero region, which is region free, but I don't think any other country really produces that.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Yeah, because we're cool.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

No, I think it's probably just cheaper to not have to do whatever it is to lock them.

SPEAKER_05 4:58

I think 4K players by default are not region locked.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

4K doesn't have region locks aside from like six titles. Or some bullshit about it. But if you put a blue V in a 4K player, it will be region locked, but the 4K discs themselves are not locked. If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

It does. I remember hearing that there is some loophole, but I don't remember what it is, and I don't care that much.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Yeah, I'm looking at my God Thomas.

SPEAKER_05 5:32

Yeah, I'll look into it when I buy a new one.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Shit's American and it's Region Zero. The DVD cover for God Tall Me Too is actually kind of sick. It's meant to look like a holy bible with bullets through it.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

But even like put a little shine on the title. Cause it's in gold. Aww. What a nice DVD.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Dig that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

It's a shame we use the shit title. Okay, so Chris, are you wanna do the intro or not? Because it is it is it's two in the morning.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

It's two a.m. Welcome to The Uncanny Valley. Today we're talking about Q the Winged Serpent from 1982. I believe. It's an eighties one.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

It's an 80s one. It's further from God Told Me To. It's a it's gonna seem more recent. It's still 40 years old.

SPEAKER_05 6:31

It's it holds up well though. It's like it's pretty watchable. I like the effects in it. They look goofy in a lot of cases, but they're also very gruesome.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

They do there's okay, there's one effect later on in the movie that we'll talk about when we get to it, but I think looks gruesome, but everything else is camp as fuck. This movie does not see the movie doesn't take itself seriously, but I don't know if it's trying to not take itself seriously. But I don't know if that was a fault in the production of this.

SPEAKER_03 7:01

A fault in the product.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Because it does promote because okay, we're gonna make this big kaiju movie, and it's stupid as fuck, but I don't know if this is intentionally stupid as fuck. Because a lot of the police stuff takes itself pretty seriously.

SPEAKER_05 7:15

I I don't think it undercuts itself as much as you seem to.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

Well, I can tell that you you seem to enjoy it because you put a little flair on the title. That seems to be your little calling card.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

Really?

SPEAKER_03 7:29

That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Yeah. Any time anytime you talk about a movie you like, there's always like a little incline as you speak.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Huh. I'll have to listen back to that.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah, I'm pull I pulled you up for it last time if God told me to as well.

SPEAKER_05 7:47

I forgot about that. I wear my heart on my sleeve, and I have a bad memory.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

I'm gonna make your ass self-conscious from now on.

SPEAKER_05 7:56

David Carradine looks horrible in this, and it's so funny. His hair is the worst. He has a horrible bald spot, he has a mullet that's already thinning on the front.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

This is this is a main boy Quinn. One more time.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

This is a me is main boy Quinn. Our little gangster.

SPEAKER_05 8:20

No, no, no, no, no. David Carradine is the uh the cop.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Oh god, everyone's just rocking the balding hairstyle in this film.

SPEAKER_05 8:29

Yeah, well, Quinn is played by Michael Moriarty, who you will see again in the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah, I'm excited. I went because you you brought him up like as a oh, I enjoy him. He's been in not only the stuff on Larry Cohen, but he's also in Return to Salem's Law and It's a Lie Free. So he's like a recording.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

I know him to be sort of a Larry Cohen guy, even though I've only seen the stuff. He's good. I like his energy. He's weird as hell, and his character in this movie is such an idiot. We'll talk about it. But I like him. He's a good actor.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

See, yeah, it's fun that you you like him, but he was not doing it for me in this film whatsoever. At all. I think I think it's overacted beyond belief, and it does not match the tone of any other performance in this this film. Like he'll be okay, or right, he'll he'll deliver a set of lines normally, and you'll go, okay, this is watchable, and then he'll just hit out with some fuck ass inflection, or like he'll half sing a line. It's like where did this come from? What's what's this supposed to be telling me about this man's character?

SPEAKER_05 9:45

I think he's just sort of sort of a loop. He's I I don't You haven't seen Justified, but he's Dewey Cox. He's just sort of a schemer who can't get over himself, can't get out of his own way. And he's too much he's too much of a character to keep his head down, which is why he never really gets ahead.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

No, I don't really take him as a schema. Like his character on paper, I like his character. But I think maybe Michael Morrietti thought of something different when he was reading the script. Because to me, if you took his lines and you put them down on paper, he's someone that's been like institutionalized, he's forced into this crime lifestyle by a crooked cop that we learned at one point who arrested him for what what phrase did he use? It's a very New York phrase. Essentially, he was just he was arrested for the sake of the police officer being able to arrest someone that day. And he says it forced him into that life of crime and now he can't get out of it. So on paper to me, it's like, oh, this is a very sympathetic man, it's been forced into the way he is now, and now he's slowly losing his shit throughout the film. But I feel like Michael Moretti read it and went, Oh, this is a comedy character. But no one else in the film, like especially his his fiancee, girlfriend, uh Joan. She's so serious and she does not match his vibe in the slightest.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

I guess so.

SPEAKER_05 11:33

I I don't see by the end of the movie, he's sort of forsaking everything for the sake of trying to be trying to have his moment in the spotlight.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Yeah, because that's him lashing out. Now you see multiple things.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

But it's also you've done it.

SPEAKER_05 11:52

In lashing out, he's showing elements of his true character.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

He could say, but also he does just want to fuck over the police. Which I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_05 12:05

True, but he does he does talk specifically about like his moment having his time.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Yeah, he's a little bit of a Shefford and Powell? You're a policeman? Is this the American you come in out?

SPEAKER_02 12:24

Not necessarily.

SPEAKER_05 12:26

And you know, I think that if he never got arrested, that could have manifested in a lot of different ways, maybe in a corporate job.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

But Oh, I mean he's a piano player. He can sing.

SPEAKER_05 12:39

He's so he plays this. I do have to talk about this. He goes to a a bar and he says, Let me play you some music. And he just fucks around and makes an ass out of himself. But in doing it, watching him play poorly, I was like, this guy can fucking play piano. He's deliberately playing poorly. And I looked it up and he is a jazz pianist slash actor.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Yeah, because well, even towards the end of like his little pastic, he does start singing properly.

SPEAKER_05 13:12

Even uh he's just throwing it in there just a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

Like Shepard even says, hey, I thought I was pretty good before Quinn tells him to go fuck himself.

SPEAKER_05 13:21

Which is very funny. Like he's that's what I mean, that he can't get out of his own way. This could have been a big opportunity for him. The praise from the cop could have helped him later in the movie. It could have gotten him some brownie points with them, but he is sabotaging himself, and then he also is unwilling to see his own potential be realized in a way that he probably doesn't want it to be. He doesn't want to play piano in someone else's bar. He wants to be his own guy.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah, but is that not um like an admirable trait for a person?

SPEAKER_05 13:57

Not saying it's not. I'm just describing his character and the way that the the movie is set out, this moment and the fact that he trips over himself deliberately here becomes a big problem later in the movie. It continues him on this path, and then it also doesn't set him up with this other character that he does cross path cross paths with again.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Okay, I can see that, but he makes a point throughout this film that he doesn't use guns, he won't do the robberies, he will just be a getaway guy, so it's not like he's deeply involved in like this life of crime, he's not in it to hurt anybody. He's just stealing diamonds from lots of people. But he's willing to he feed some people to quasi quota, wouldn't you also in that situation?

SPEAKER_05 14:49

But he does go in and he does use a gun. Like he is willing to have everything he believes in bent so that he can move forward. He's not going to like I mean he needs the job, but also he's not going to stick to his morals and find a different way to make money. He I I'm trying to find the word. I can't find the word. It sacrifices his ethics, basically.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Yeah, but he was never intending to use the gun. He was kind of forced into that situation with them taking his car keys.

unknown 15:28

I know.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Wiki wakey. He does take it.

SPEAKER_05 15:42

He doesn't leave it, he does take it. I'm not saying that he's a bad person or that I'm not saying anything beyond he says these things, but not all of them are true.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

That's what I mean. I think he's on paper supposed to be more sympathetic than he is, because you can read his line of when he feeds Quit Quetzcote, that's how you pronounce it, yeah.

unknown 16:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

He even goes, Oh, I I didn't do it, I was forced into that. You could act that line as oh well is it's not my fault. Like he's freaking out, he wants to get away. But he actually motherfucker watched the Joker movie and was like this is my lifestyle from now on. He hams it up so bad. Yeah, I think I think my man Thiel was just dreaming. He looks fried. He's went back to what I mean. I feel like he comes off with kind of like an annoying little scumbag, but I don't think that's what he's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_05 16:48

I am just gonna disagree with you based on the fact that he's in so many Cohen movies. There's no way he's not doing what Larry Cohen wanted him or liked him doing as this character. There's no way he's working against the production.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

I don't think he's working against the production, but I also think from what we've seen of Larry Cohen movies, he really doesn't have a lot of he's not Stanley Kubrick in his shots. If something fucked up happens, he's more than likely just gonna go, ah it works, go for it. But I still uh I do think there's a there's a delineation of what I feel like if you got a screenplay of this movie and sat and read it. Like he I w he almost interprets the character in his own way, which is fair enough. But I still think I would rather have him played more straightfaced than what he ends up becoming.

SPEAKER_05 17:48

Fair. That's yeah, I can't argue with opinion. I I do like him in this movie, and I see the character I wish the character was written a little more towards what he's doing. My issue was more with the writing of his character than his performance at all. And even in saying that that's what I was trying to think about as I was saying that. I don't remember specifically. I think more the plotting of everything and sort of he's just an idiot. He doesn't he drops the suitcase. I some of it's directing too. He drops the suitcase like five feet away and then he runs away and goes, Oh shit, oh guys, I don't know, I don't know where it went.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Or when he's talking to Joan later, and like he's not killed these two people, but he's like, They're dead, I've tracked them, I got them. And it's like what? And no one else in this movie acts this way.

SPEAKER_05 18:56

Directing and editing, and I'm watching him right now, he starts knocking on Howard Price's door, and then he goes, Oh shit, it's locked, someone's gonna be coming for me. I'm gonna run to the roof now.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

He is, it's I just don't and to be fair.

SPEAKER_05 19:22

The logic of it's it was not the dialogue or you know what he's saying so much as the logic of his character.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Okay, but did it not work out for him? You're criticizing this man's decision and it was the right decision. So what does that say about you?

SPEAKER_05 19:41

Just to feed the thing. Like it's only for the plot. He exists as sort of a pawn to keep the plot moving in a way.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

The fucked up thing was we started yapping about Quinn before we talked about Quest of Cole. Which I feel like is probably what people watch this movie for. No one's ever gone, oh fuck, my favourite character. Quinn from Q. Oh my god, it's Q for Quinn and Quetzacole.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

True, there you go. Yeah, that is Q.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Is he the winged serpent? I suppose he tricks people, doesn't he? He's a little slimy little man. Oh fuck, Quinn, he's done it again. You just blew my mind.

SPEAKER_05 20:25

Quetsakoto does look rad, I think. It looks so good. It looks so fucking good.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Especially for being.

SPEAKER_05 20:33

I was worried knowing you thought this was campy.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

No, Qu Quetzakoto looks cool, which I find it strange that we don't just call him Quetzakotal because it's not that difficult to say. Like who is sick as just a symbol for the poster? But like you're not struggling with it. It'd be like if you called like Gojira Big G.

SPEAKER_05 20:56

I think they were worried about making people think it was a foreign movie or something.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Larry goes like, no, get that out of the script.

SPEAKER_05 21:06

Yeah, Americans are super weird.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

But I mean it's we it's strange how much because I feel like Quetsicotol in this is not the Quetzakotal that we talk about in the film as being like this Native American winged feathered bird. It's just a big pterodactyl.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

Kinda.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Like it is not a serpent, and it's not got feathers. So is this is it even supposed to be quetzicotal, or is it supposed to be that these people just take it as quetzicot?

SPEAKER_05 21:42

Uh I think Well, either way, they are talking about ancient myths and stories of other versions of birds. So m maybe you could take it as there were different types at some point. I did take it to mean that. You know, the nine the Native Americans saw these and maybe embellished the stories or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

What if they looked up at the sun too fast and it fried their eyes and I think it's got the feathers. It was a big bird. There was a big bird in the sky.

SPEAKER_05 22:16

No, it would be like you see one and then you don't tell anybody because you don't believe that you saw it, and then you tell your son on your deathbed, and then your son tells his son when he has one about the story his father told him. And over time it just it just morphs. You know, if somebody says like a bird, and they don't say with no feathers, then the next time that story is gonna permute into a bird with feathers. You know. And then the son saying it was like a bird, and then his son saying it looked like a bird. You know, the way that stories are told is malleable.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

So the difference with first and third party sources, I suppose so.

SPEAKER_04 23:21

Yeah, very true.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

But see the the whole cult side plot with them skinning people for Quessicotoesn't really go anywhere, does it? Like it doesn't really have any significance into the plot. What you could take them out of this and you would still get Quinn crime plot with the police.

SPEAKER_05 23:43

Yeah, I think it's pretty useless. It's funny, but edited in poorly. The like cuts to dead bodies being skinned. I think it's it's just a waste of time. I like that I like the idea of oh, humans were the bad guys, you know, quetzakotal is just it's a creature. It's an innocent bird that got caught up in this whole thing. I don't mind that.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

It's I mean it does decapitate people. It doesn't take them to eat it bit a man's head off.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

Well yeah, but it's because it's been displaced.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

It also just killed that man for no purpose.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

What can I say?

SPEAKER_01 24:26

I suppose it was near the egg. You could argue that was a purpose, it was a defensive thing. But even I feel like there's no way, even in like 80s New York, without surveillance, no one's not seeing Quetzalcoto, because this is the Empire State, right? Yeah, yeah. I don't think they ever say it's supposed to be the Empire. This might be the Chrysler building. Do I do you know if either of those have a big hollow interior with a giant egg in the centre?

SPEAKER_05 24:55

No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Do either of them have a pigeon infestation? Because they make that a big point, but the pigeons are hanging out with the phone.

SPEAKER_05 25:03

Sure both have one.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

But the design for it is sick. I think it's weird because typically in horror movies you get the you should see less because it makes it more but I feel like Quetzakoto, the more you see of it, the scarier it looks.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Yeah, which is great. I love that you can see this thing and it still is effective.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

It's like Joe, I was Joe's fucked up about his movie. How the fuck did they get those drone shots looking so good for early 80s?

SPEAKER_03 25:33

Drone shots.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Whereas insane drone shots. They look like those fucking YouTubers are forky. Yeah, but I mean, those are some sterry ass hello.

SPEAKER_05 25:44

If you hear metal sounds, it's my dog shaking.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

It's just those teenagers you have chained up in your basement. Yeah, shh.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Shh. It's my dog.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

You've got your skinning knife out ready for quets. Yeah, I'm already for quets. But I feel like there must be there must be like a chopped section of this film. Because from what we get, we get the police officer Powell and what's the other guy's name? Hell me out here, Chris. The officer, the two police detectives.

SPEAKER_05 26:20

We have David Carradine and Richard Roundtree.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Yeah, we go, okay, something's killing people, and then it instantly cuts to them being in some weird history exhibit on like someone's third floor, and he's like, Yeah, I reckon it's Quetzalcotal. Oh no, it wasn't Nave Americans, it was it the Aztecs. And they're like, I reckon all these mothers.

SPEAKER_05 26:43

I fucking love this, because this is inside of the Natural History Museum. The exhibits they're walking through, I have been to a bunch of times. I recognized everything they were walking through.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Was there um idiot police detectives investigating uh Aztec deities?

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Always.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

All the time. That's the first person he asks, and he's like, Oh yes, come look at my giant Quetsu statue I have in the corner. It's probably him.

SPEAKER_04 27:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

It's that guy right there, officer. He's not even investigating the bug at the time. He's investigating the flayed corpse that he found in a hotel room.

SPEAKER_05 27:25

Yeah, they just get there though. He has the insulation for him.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

That flayed corpse looks fucking great. That's a great I don't know if that's paper mache or some shit, but someone did a fucking bang up job on that corpse.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Yeah, that's the stuff I did was gnarly.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

I'll say that it doesn't look flayed, it looks burnt. I would believe that more of you like this is a burnt corpse. It does look like a charred corpse, yeah. That's that's the man still has the flesh on.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

That's on gristle.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

You ever s you ever seen someone de-glove their finger? Oh that shit just slides right off, you'd be looking at bone.

SPEAKER_05 28:02

I like the skeleton that falls on our boy Quinn. It looks I like that it looks like it's been chewed on. You know, there's still bits of full flesh on it, but a lot of it is just clean bone.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Yeah, it's like a it's it's like a rip of Quetzacol.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Yeah. Get some sauce.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

I wonder Do you think 'cause why would the skinning people do you think for Queticoto human skin is like apple peel and it just gets stuck in their teeth? And this is a way of meal prep.

SPEAKER_05 28:37

Maybe. Yeah, that would be really annoying to get human skin stuck in your teeth.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

Because there's layers to that shit, you'd be peeling it out and then it would like flake apart and you'd be. It just eats alive.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Very true, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Such a fucking guarantee there was more in the script for this.

SPEAKER_05 29:10

Have you seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia?

SPEAKER_01 29:15

I watched about two seasons straight ones on an edible, and I can't tell you anything other than the Rumham, um, the throll toll and the Don't Biddle Kids song.

SPEAKER_05 29:29

That was also great. Uh the guy who is sacrificing people is Frank's landlord in It's Always Sunny.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

See, the thing is, I feel like you have to be stoned for all the sunny, because when I watched it stoned, I was like, This is the greatest comedy show I've ever seen. See, anytime I watch it sober, oh there's some fucking rough jokes in that show.

unknown 29:53

Really?

SPEAKER_01 29:54

I feel like it's a rough joke. I don't know, it's just you watch it and you're like, I feel like they're trying to, but I think it's just it needs because it's clear the people that write that are stoners. Like that is that is stoner humour. Like no one's sitting in their house and thinking, and then Frank loses his rum ham and going, Oh, that's the funniest shit we've ever wrote, but that it's so it's so funny though. Like that's someone on like is hitting the giggles. Hitting the giggles is a universal, that's not a UK term, is it?

SPEAKER_02 30:29

I've never heard that before.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

It's when you smoke too much weed and you can't stop laughing.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

I mean I I uh assumed, but yeah, fair. Well so what do you use for it? I don't know. I haven't heard that. Do you use greeting out? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

Ah we gotta see. Something's remaining post-colonization of America. You've got a little bit of it still in you.

SPEAKER_05 31:03

Everyone's got horrible hair in this movie. Except for Richard Roundtree.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

I like Jane's little bob.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

She's got like such a perfectly like rotund fringe. Like it's so stherical.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

Quinn's partner?

SPEAKER_01 31:20

That's Quinn's maybe wife, maybe Beyonce. Maybe Jailhood.

SPEAKER_05 31:26

I'm looking at David Carradine and his partner right now. Both of them, she has frizzy ass hair, and he has just an awful mop. David Carradine has always had awful hair.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

I mean, Richard Roundtree, he's he scrubs up.

SPEAKER_05 31:41

Oh, okay, yeah, she does have great hair. His partner does have good hair.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

I like how they're like, oh, we're so poor, and she's got like the most like hairdresser mod hair. Everyone else is going bald and hers is perfectly done. She's also like this movie takes place over a couple days, right?

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

She does not stop wearing that sleeveless vest the entire time.

SPEAKER_05 32:06

That's funny. I I don't clock outfits as much as I should.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

See, I I normally don't, especially in these old movies, but that's a fire shot. Like I I couldn't wear it. But that's a sick fit. It looks like something like if April O'Neill joined the military.

SPEAKER_04 32:22

That's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

Um but yeah, like would the police club because it's a shame because I like both of the police detectives, I like both Shepard and Powell. They're both interesting and they're well acted.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

Which one is which?

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Shepard is the white gang.

SPEAKER_05 32:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Powell is the black gang. Which did you know Richard Roundtree Powell was he's apparently cited as the first black action hero in cinema.

SPEAKER_04 32:51

Yeah, Shaft.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Yeah, I've never seen Shaft. I saw Shaft and I was like, that is a Chris movie. I've ever seen one. Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:00

So what's my I was happy that Richard Roundtree was on this.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

If I click on Shaft on Letterboxd, the only thing I can see is him. I think it's supposed to be a gun, but the the flash is obscene, and he's wearing a full black leather trench coat, and it looks fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_05 33:20

Hell yeah. Shaft rules. Hold on one second, I'll I'll send you Shaft. Check your inbox. Send you a picture of Shaft.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

I don't think I want to look in that. Oh my god. Is the Samuel L. Jackson movie a remake?

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 33:41

No, it's a sequel, it's a legacy sequel.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Chris, I swear to it see if anyone's listening to this, go on Letterboxd and look at the shaft Samuel L. Jackson movie poster. Not only is it terrible, we have elongated the size of his head for some reason. You have to say, alright, Chris, where's your shaft? Where did you send me?

SPEAKER_05 34:06

I'm not sending my shaft. It was a dick joke. I don't want to send my shaft to you.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

You then send your shaften up our messages and it's that fucking gif of Toby McGuire looking nice back.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

Oh yeah. There's just shafts.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Oh, it's fucking as dumb as shit. But I feel like again, we've come up.

SPEAKER_05 34:31

Maybe the Samuel L. Jackson one is a remake, and then the newest one is the legacy sequel. I don't remember. I haven't seen this.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

But you saw that poster, right? That's that's not his head shape.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

Yeah, I do see that. He has a huge scalp in that. Why?

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Why'd they make his forehead bigger? From the Incredibles.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

That's fine. Oh stupid.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

But I feel like but see if it's everything in this. I'm this is the one, this is the first Larry Korn movie. I've been like, okay, I don't actually like I'm not gelling with it that much, and it's mostly just because I don't like Quinn as the protagonist. But I feel like everything else is a step up. Like the cinematography is about on par with God told me to. Everything looks more vibrant, it's clear. He can afford better cameras now. I'd say the acting aside from Quinn, but again, this is my personal taste, across the board is improving as well. Like it's it's under both his like filmography and well not in order, we've skipped a few things, but in semi-chronological order.

SPEAKER_02 35:43

Yeah. I mean, yeah, we're still going in chronological or order, just not completely filmography.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

So what did you think of the the Aztec outfit for the the sacrifices?

SPEAKER_02 36:02

I'm not recalling it off off bat, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

What do you mean you're not recalling?

SPEAKER_02 36:07

Motherfucker had a blue dragon head and a feather coat. Oh it's alright. You know what fuck with it?

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Oh, Chris. I love it so much. It's so stupid. I love that later on in the film when like we get cornered by the police, it just doesn't it clearly does not fit on that man's fucking head at all. You see him like readjusting it as he has a discussion. It's uh it's like we spent the entire special effects budget on everything else in this film, and then we went to like an art school and went, Can you please make us a helmet? We forgot the helmet. But the fucking sacrifices look good. The sacrifices look fucking mean.

SPEAKER_05 36:57

They do, yeah. Yeah, I see why it didn't stick with me. Like it looks neat, it's just kind of mosaic. It's not interesting.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

See, that's the one special effect actually I was talking about earlier where I was like, oh fucking grotty. Is see when you see that cheek getting flayed, and they like they pull the little the little cheek flesh off near the bottom.

SPEAKER_04 37:20

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Such a fucking good. I guess why I keep saying we don't get de-glovings and flayings enough in movies. They look good.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Yeah, de-glovings are fucking rough.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

So we're like 28 episodes in, we've only had one flay and now two. We've had zero D gloves. Like a compound glove.

SPEAKER_03 37:45

Zero D gloves?

SPEAKER_01 37:47

We've had zero D gloves. We've not had a compound fracture, I don't think.

SPEAKER_05 37:52

I feel like we have had a compound fracture.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

I don't the only movie that I can even think where you get a good D glove is Final Fantasy Bloodlines, hold on. Final Destination Bloodlines with the the ring finger.

SPEAKER_04 38:07

I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Oh, there's a it was because it's a 15 rated, so I went and saw it day one and I was like, okay, it's probably not gonna be as intense as maybe like the the earlier Final Destination where you go fucking in, a woman gets caught on a ring finger and that motherfucker slides right off. See, that's the only thing it can really get me would be jump scares and movies. Now see if I don't expect a level of visceral detail in the movie somehow delivers. It won't be the what the visceral detail is, but if I do not expect that movie to have it.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

Because I was looking at scene and I was like, oh, this would be a sick D love scene. I was like, those motherfuckers won't do it. Oh, I was surprised. I was surprised. I was so happy. Every other death in the movie looks like kind of ass.

SPEAKER_02 39:03

Really?

SPEAKER_01 39:03

It's it's fun ass. It's a good ass.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

I I would say ass is usually fun.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Ass tends to be fun. But there are situations where it is not.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Yeah. Get fucking messy.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

This is also the third Larry Conn movie in a row where the police force seems to just be made out of fucking buffoons. Like none of these people seem to like right now, as I'm watching a movie, Sheriff. Um fuck, I keep I can remember Hill's name. What's the white guy? The white guy, Shepherd. He goes up to what I assume is his boss in the middle of the day and goes, see these killings. I reckon it's the giant Aztec serpent bird. And he's like, Are you sure about this? And he goes, Yeah. It's like alright man. Like no one no one there's no pushback to this. No one's ever like, You sound like you're fucking insane. We all just go, I guess we're hunting for the big bird.

SPEAKER_05 40:19

Yeah, his boss says, like, Ann, lose that report, or I'll lose your report. But he believes him. It's interesting. I don't know. I like the crazy museum director who's like, when you hunt when you get it, my only condition is that I get to make stuff.

SPEAKER_02 40:37

My museum. Oh shit. Uh the crazy museum director. How am I how am I sounding? Oh you're so you're sounding okay now. Okay. That's frustrating.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

Uh I mean make a note of the time.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

I feel like am I cutting off again a little bit?

SPEAKER_01 41:07

Maybe a little, but maybe it's just because you were talking too much, not the main time. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

I'm gonna just put my sensitivity way down. And I might pick up too much, but it's better than not enough talking.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

Oh, 55 already, fucking hell.

SPEAKER_05 41:20

Well, 50, yeah, probably more like 45 with the recording. Uh I like the not so museum director who's saying, I'll help you find this serpent, but my condition is I want it mounted and stuffed. Once you kill it, I want its body. Insane.

SPEAKER_01 41:42

Which is also a strange parallel to uh it li it's alive. The exact same thing happened. And then nothing ever happened with it.

SPEAKER_05 41:54

Give it to me.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

I don't think it showed up and went, give it to me, shit. No, no, that doesn't I want it. Um so what what how does this even come together? Because I've seen this movie like four times now, and I don't get Okay, I get that Quinn he tells the police, okay, the egg is here, but I don't know how that launches the full-scale assault and they find like the cult leader. It all just kind of like bundles together is like a big blob.

SPEAKER_05 42:32

It is I like movies like this where it just sort of coalesces, but it isn't clean. It isn't a great version of that. Yeah, it's so the cop storyline is mostly just puttering around until Quinn gives them something. They are whatever they do, they're just spending time finding bodies and then becoming aware of Quetzequotal as a thing. And then Quinn comes to them and says, I know where to find it. They make a deal with him, they all go together, they fucking murder an egg. Like brutally, it's horrible. Uh and then they fuck him out of his part of everything. And what do the cops do? Because they mount another assault later. What are they doing between those two points? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

That's when they find like the Aztec leader, and he's just like in a corner with a character that is wanting to be sacrificed that I think we're supposed to know. But I don't know who the fuck it is.

SPEAKER_05 43:42

That's the end of the movie, isn't it? They finally confront him and shoot him.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Cause then you we get like the the police officers with their machine guns hanging out the windows shooting at Quetzalco. Which I mean surely a helicopter is more efficient for a flying bird.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Oh, there's one guy I love who's this one guy is like, I have the perfect idea. I'm gonna get in the painter's thing. I'm gonna get in this little doohickey that is on the side of the building that the painters go in, and I'll be able to go up and down wherever I need to go to shoot this thing. It just eats him, because he's on the side of the building. It cuts him in half. It's really good. That's such a good scene killing all the cops.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

He is thinking smartball, to be fair. Everyone else is gonna get really bad chronic back pain later in life from those angles out of that window. True. Although, to be fair, the first murder that happened was someone using one of those to clean a window.

SPEAKER_05 44:45

Well, he was just kinda suspended from the window. He wasn't even in one of those, was he?

SPEAKER_01 44:52

Oh no, you're right. He had like a fucking bunch to the roof.

SPEAKER_05 44:55

Fucking crazy guy, and he wasn't even supposed to be doing that, right? The lady on the phone is saying that he's been there every day for like a week, and he's catcalling her from this 40th story window. I don't understand what's happening here.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Yeah, but she like she plays along with it. So I like to think that every single day for a week, for her entire work shift, he's been cleaning that one window. He is the shiniest window in the entirety of New York City.

SPEAKER_05 45:25

It sounds like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

That would have been a sick ending scene if like the sun reflected off that one window that he'd been cleaning for a week and it just forced a laser beam to hit Quessicole.

SPEAKER_05 45:39

That'd be funny. Just fries immediately. I like this first death. What did you think of his death?

SPEAKER_01 45:47

His death was fun, but I get it sets like the It's a good start to it does, I guess, but I I think it's a good start to the movie.

SPEAKER_05 45:54

Setting the tone like that is helpful.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

I think the most by far the most score that we've seen so far were like because it's alive. Something that'll catch up. God told me to, aside from a few bullet holes. People were mostly kind of fine.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

Yeah, this is this is great.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

I wonder, like, see when Larry was writing this, do you think he just pulled a JJ Abrams and was like, there's no American big monster but isn't a monkey? And I want to make a big monster for it. Or do you think he was like, I want a gory plot and having people be eating this one?

SPEAKER_05 46:39

I think both, but honestly, you're probably right. I think this probably came from King Kong. You know, maybe he was talking with his buddies one night at the bar about how King Kong is a New York movie, but it's not a New York movie. And how you could make a New York monster movie in a big building. Where at the end of the building, you know, the cops are shooting at the thing. At the end of the movie. Did I say at the end of the building?

SPEAKER_01 47:21

I think you know. See, the thing is the only sequence of when we see her face, because she laid an egg, so it's a she's really cute. Like she looks like like the land before time dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_04 47:36

She kinda does, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

I wonder who made the props for this. Hold on, I'll look it up. Oh no, one thing I forgot to say, I completely forgot. Uh Quinn is supposed to be a scumbag 'cause he's racist as fuck to Powell.

SPEAKER_05 47:50

Oh, I forgot about that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

Powell does slap the fuck out of him to be fair, so Powell's not great either. I mean they all slapped him ten times before he even sat down in his seat.

SPEAKER_05 48:06

That's what So Powell I felt like was the best of the people in this movie. Everyone kind of sucks. But what I liked was it felt like a subversion of the normal horror movie, like the most morally pure person lives, where Powell gets eviscerated. Quinn, the most scheming guy, winds up in a shitty situation, but he's alive, and then Shepard, he has that moment where it seems like the bird's about to eat him, and he gets away fine and makes a joke about it. Like everyone that seems like they would die in this situation normally is actually a main character in this.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

Is Randall William Cook, who worked on Lord of the Rings 1 and 2, and Frightnight.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

Cool.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

And then assisting them, he had Peter Kuran, who has worked on Edward Scissorhands, Men in Black, Starship Troopers, nice, and Critters 2.

SPEAKER_05 49:21

Still need to watch Critters.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

Motherfucker, again, Larry's so good at just getting like an an all-star team to help him with his low budget ass grimy B movies.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

Love this guy.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Oh, once we're speaking on um the police side plot, is there a police side plot in the stuff?

SPEAKER_05 49:44

I'm pretty sure Michael Moriarty plays the detective.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

See, that's fun because that would mean we went four for four on police detective subplots, and Larry Conan started off writing um police detective shows.

SPEAKER_05 50:02

Yeah, that is pretty cool. I'm not oh I'm seeing a colonel in the cast list.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

The KFC?

SPEAKER_04 50:16

Yes, yeah, the KFC colonel.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Everyone blame Chris, everyone, Chris. There's a slight echo, boo. Boo. The echo makes it sound like someone else around you. It's so quiet. It's just as tiny.

SPEAKER_04 50:37

Okay. That's something.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

It sounds more like I have acoustics than anything else, don't worry about that.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

Okay. Yeah, yeah, you're like the colonel.

SPEAKER_05 50:48

That's frustrating though. Yeah, it is the colonel. It's definitely the colonel.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

The colonel. And there's chocolate chip?

SPEAKER_05 50:57

No, the um the lead character played by played by uh Michael Moriarty. By the way, his name is David Rutherford and his nickname is Mo.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

David Mo Rutherford, I don't know. Uh he's a former FBI agent.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Because like from the little that I know of this stuff, I don't see how a detective plot is gonna seep into that.

SPEAKER_04 51:31

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Side note, whilst we're talking about the stuff for next week, the the 4K I have has a pre-release version of the film with an extra 30 minutes and different music, so you might have to hunt that down.

SPEAKER_04 51:47

Oh shit, okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

It says it's over 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 51:54

Oh, I'm excited to watch that then. Yeah, it says it was an additional 30 minutes was discovered by Denver Film in 2021. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 52:04

It was discovered? Oh, I get it. It must have been like That was when Cohen passed, so it was probably like hidden in the state somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 52:13

Okay. Are you gonna watch the original first?

SPEAKER_01 52:16

I think I'll just go with the extended cut.

SPEAKER_05 52:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

Because if it's like pre-release, I I got him at 30 minutes. That can't be for like cinema time. Surely that must be like censorship issues.

SPEAKER_05 52:31

Yo, you think interest okay. I guess.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

Original music See they had to change it for release. I'm going with OG shit because Larry Connor does not mess with the tricks, all of his centric.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

No, he has good music.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

Every single one so far has been bangers. Even though I said like this is this is my least favorite of the three souls, so I still like I don't I don't not enjoy the film. I just I just it just doesn't work for me as well as his other ones.

SPEAKER_05 53:03

That's fair. It's it was just a fun watch. It's not like I'm trying to find the the right way to put it. There's just much there's a lot of worse movies to watch, and I just had a good time watching it. So I'll take down my tone a little bit and agree with you on that. Like it's every bit of it is on its own doing something good and interesting, but it it's not cohesive. It doesn't come together in a way that's too satisfying or interesting on its own.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

But you could say it with the other two clothing films that there's elements of it that kind of either don't affect the narrative or don't work thematically or pacing-wise, but I think that's just an issue with B movies.

SPEAKER_05 53:55

Yeah, I think we have said as much as well.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

Yeah, it's like regardless of quality for a B movie, it's kind of more just how much it works for you. Yeah. Um that movie, hair extensions that I tell you about, Killer Hair. It's probably objectively not great. But I still give it a 9 out of 10 because I'm like this is one of the coolest movies I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 54:23

Love that.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

It's like so stupid, but it's my stupid stupid.

SPEAKER_05 54:26

Hell yeah. Yeah, that's that's the kind of movie that I really love to find. I like that more than a prestige drama, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Yeah, because like you can go to like a letterbox top 250 or 500 to say now. And like if you watch the films on it, you're probably going to like it. But it's like I could have sat for three hours today and watched Stock, which I did. But would but was I having as much fun as I would have if I put on It's Alive 2 and 3.

unknown 55:00

No.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

Exactly. That's not the thing where you would it's hard to critique movies that aren't trying to be like high up. Because like you could say, well, this doesn't work and this doesn't work, but it's like well the director wasn't really trying to make that work, he was just trying to have fun with it.

SPEAKER_05 55:24

Yeah, true. It's yeah, and that's what this feels like. This feels like he just had an idea and thought it would be fun.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

He's not trying to make his Magnum opus.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

And it's strange because why is the poster for this one so much better than the posters for the other one?

SPEAKER_04 55:47

It's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 55:49

It's so it's so insanely good. And it's like I feel like C you accidentally stumbled across it. Maybe that's why, maybe he knew like as a film this doesn't work as well as his other one, so he's like, okay, I'm going to market the fuck out of this one.

SPEAKER_05 56:05

Knock it out of the park. What if I told you most of the things? Oh fucking hell. Well, that's so good. That's so good that that happened while we're recording this. No, um I'm scouring the internet for a version of this. Do you have the arrow ver the arrow video? Or not of this, of the stuff?

SPEAKER_01 56:25

I do, it's the arrow version.

SPEAKER_05 56:27

Tight. Okay, so I should be able to get that version.

SPEAKER_01 56:32

It'll be somewhere online. It can't not be. Well, the the original runtime is 87 minutes and in the extended version it's two hours. So you just have to find a torum, two hours, and then the two hour one, yeah. Do you know how fucked up it's gonna be if you go looking online and you can't find the extended one?

SPEAKER_05 56:54

It will be fucked up. I just looked though, so I uh pretty sure I found it. I'll just have to double check the file.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

But it makes me wonder though, Cita. Because if if it's when Conan passed away, presumably it was with his estate. Does it alive and does God told me to, and does Q all have like extended versions?

SPEAKER_05 57:21

Extended Q really interests me.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

Cause like everything all three of them have had minor subplots that were like all of it feels like we're seeing stuff that has been trimmed.

SPEAKER_05 57:35

Yeah, they feel cut to the bone, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

Yeah, because well again for B movies, if this is shown in a cinema, is I don't know when B movies specifically really stop being a thing, but if these were shown as B movies, he's probably getting told to cut these down really, really, really bad.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

Yeah. Like he's making a whole movie and then he sits in the editing room and goes, Look at this thing, this is my movie, I love this, and then he has to release it, and they say, You can't release this.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

Can you cut two minutes out of these people standing doing nothing?

SPEAKER_04 58:24

You'd have a four-minute movie.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

See the fucking stalker could legitimately be like an hour and twenty minutes if that see if you cut it down to essential scenes in a central dialogue for probably like an hour and twenty minutes of a three-hour long fucking movie.

SPEAKER_05 58:42

But it's pure vibes, man. It's a good movie. Yeah. I'm glad that Theo liked it.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

He does, he likes it. It's strange, he doesn't normally react to films. The only film so far I found that he likes is the end credits of Noriko's dinner table.

SPEAKER_05 59:06

Red. By the way, uh I hate that I forgot her name, but Quinn's partner, she wears a different tank top later.

SPEAKER_01 59:16

Was I just called out on being completely inaccurate though?

SPEAKER_05 59:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

I fucked it, I fucked it already. I have to hand on my thumb roll licenses.

SPEAKER_05 59:26

You know what my favorite special effect in this movie is? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm not fucking with you. The Twin Towers. Just this is this is something you you have in a movie that you you just can't have after 2001. Like they didn't know they were capturing something that wouldn't exist, and it's it's just so nice to see. I guess I see it as the complete New York skyline. And it's to see these towers that are remarkable in their own way, even though they're they are ugly also in their own way.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

See how you get that controversy with the first Spider-Man teaser where he saves a helicopter and the twin towers and they had to find are the twin towers in Spider-Man?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:22

That's a great question. I think so. I think they'd have to be, but I don't remember specifically.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

That's what I'm saying, because if they're not, I wonder how much footage has been cut of the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie if it has the Twin Towers in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:39

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

It's always interesting when you get media that came out around that time and how we deal with it, because like it seems like almost everything, if it came out 2001, has some kind of 9-11 issue.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:53

They do appear in the background.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

Like not not even New Yorkshire, Zero Experiments Lane. The it it was playing during 9-11 in America, and there's uh version of it online, it was lost media for a time. Of just like the the the news broadcast happening under the episode. And it's it's just weird how much media like like that impacts that you don't even think about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:25

Do you know the movie Remember Me? I feel like I know it you may have it's a romantic drama, I think, with Robert Pattinson, and the twist of the movie is he's I think he's in a building and he's writing on a whiteboard the date, and he writes September 11th, 2001, and then you pan out and you see he's in the Twin Towers.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

It's very funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

Oh, so wait, it's called Remember Me.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

Oh my god. The fact that like that has a positive review score, the fact that people aren't like, What is this bullshit?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

It's crazy. It's absolutely nuts, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

Why is no one talking about that in the reviews?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:22

I don't know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:26

But yet I feel like there's not much else to talk about. The movie is very yeah, very straight to the point.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:34

I'm watching the scene where Michael Moriarty yells at the lawyers right now, and I love he goes, I've never paid taxes before in my life, and I'm not gonna start now.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

It would have been so much easier to get away with that boys.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:51

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Now they would like arrest you.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

But see, that's stupid as shit that America makes you do your own taxes. Because over here you can't not pay taxes because you just take it out of your income. Do you know how hard it is to absorb taxes in the UK?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:12

Well, so representatives in our government have from time to time tried to make it more like you have it, but then what happens is the companies that own, let's say, Free Tax USA or TurboTax or any other tax software, they throw a lot of money into lobbying and sending people in to argue for having taxes the way that they are.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

So what what do those companies do for just people that you can hire to do your taxes for you?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:49

You pay it and it's not even people you hire, it's just like a website that automatically does it for you. You click through it and then you enter your numbers and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

But that seems so much easier. So why do some Americans just do their own taxes? That seems problematic.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:09

Because you can get more money back that way, I think. I'm not totally sure. But I have family who do their own taxes like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:18

But isn't it like nerve-wracking knowing that if you fuck up a number you might be paying an insane amount back?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:27

It's fucking nuts. When I've seen the family doing their taxes, it's a living room covered in documents.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:38

Yeah, but that's what I mean. What if you just lose documents?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:42

Uh then you're fucked. I don't know, man. That's especially I'm what I'm thinking of was before digital documents, really. So this was at that point, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

I can't I can't help you.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:58

It just seems so dumb, because again, in your case, if I get a pay slap in, I see my income tax reduce, insert other tax reduced, pension reduced, what my money is, and that is my money, and I don't I could just set up a direct debit if I have any payments to come out on payday, and that is it. There's there's no there's no fucking about if I see my money, that's my money. But the thing is, see, I feel like Americans would because you guys are already bad for consumerism, I feel like Americans would be more inclined to spend more money on dumb shit if we d didn't have to worry about taxes at the end of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:38

Well that's the thing, is then you get a tax return. Do you get tax returns?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:49

No, okay. Well, that seems to benefit consumerism to me because then you're just spending a lot of money. If you get a lot of money at once, you're more incentivized to spend it instead of saving it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

So the only thing that you get fucked, so this is I like how we went off and we're just talking about taxes now. The only fucked thing about UK taxes is we don't the amount you pay isn't dependent on your income that year, it's dependent on what your income was the year before.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:18

Oh that sucks.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

So if you lose a high paying job and go into a low-paying job, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:24

That sucks. Just kill yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

But also that means if you join a high paying job, you're paying less tax for a year.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:33

Yeah, that rules.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

Nah, and then just take like a lot of vacation.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:44

Yeah. Vacation on the river sticks.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:53

Why is it got got a suicide? What if I'm waiting on my taxon?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:58

Yeah, I don't know. Just to avoid taxes, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

But what if you have like a sole tax?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:08

Shit. Fuck. Oh yeah, they're gonna fucking weigh my heart. God damn it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

No, but I feel like if you if you like I'd imagine in heaven or hell you get like a commissary.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:23

No commissary. No, there's no capitalism in heaven or hell.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:28

There's no capitalism in hell? No. So you think heaven's current. Come on now.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

Bible's always seen as a banker or a politician or Yeah, you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:48

That's that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Someone that someone would draw is a big fat cat with a top hat and monocle.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:56

I should get that. I want one of those.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

A monocle or a a top hat?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:03

A fat cat with a top hat and a monocle.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:08

Just find a way to ingrain it into his flesh.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:12

Yeah, he won't complain.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

He'd never get a head scratch, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:18

Well. Can't be helped.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:21

If you're on the same time code as me, look at your screen right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:26

Probably not.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:27

Why doesn't Quinn why doesn't Quint ever have any shot that fits him?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:33

Any shirt that fits him?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

No, man's always wearing like a double XL and he's built like a stick man.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:42

He does, yeah. It's probably just a style thing of the time. Oh yeah, he's got a fucking pirate shirt on right now. And there it's not buttoned anywhere. Like the sleeves aren't buttoned.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

I'm sure Larry told him to do that for a little added sex appeal. Like we gave the guys with the we got our first nude woman scene. I'm sure Larry fought hard for a good scene, too. It was a fun scene. I like it, it's still like a almost like an 80s like a fitness video, but it's just a woman sunbaving.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:25

They have a guy peeping on her, but she's the one who dies. The peeper is fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

Yeah, well you need someone to tell the story.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

You need someone to tell the story. But like who would you tell? Because you can't be like, I was curving on this woman.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:41

Nobody, you just live with that for the rest of your life. Nobody knows what happened to her, you know, but you can't tell them.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:50

He's fucked up. Maybe he should be in like his own side plot.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:53

He should be.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:56

But yeah, I mean, visit a cube, what else? Is there anything else to talk about?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:01

No, that's it's such a nebulous plot.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:05

I can't think of anything else. I'll consult my notes quickly. Is there anything that you wanted to talk about?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

No, because I mean we well we skipped to the ending like halfway through.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

Yeah. Uh two notes I had are. One, uh, Shepard at some point says, if you drop a cantaloupe from 40 stories, implying you wouldn't see anything. But you'd have squashed cantaloupe everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:37

There would be so much. I think he was meaningful wouldn't be as many pieces.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:43

Oh, yeah, alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:53

They didn't understand that concept. And it's like his body should still be there.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

Only his head fell.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:02

I know, yeah. Uh the guy, the guy on the outside of the window is muttering to himself, my girlfriend, I love you. I know you love me. And then I also wanted to mention Quinn. This is, I think, when I tuned into what the character and the performance was, but I get not liking it. Uh, when he he gets up to the top of the building and he goes, I'm afraid of everything, but I've never been afraid of heights. And it's he says it says it with a smile on his face.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:39

Yeah, but like what does that mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:41

That's a caricature. Nothing. But it to me it shows why it shows that the character is written poorly, not performed poorly.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

Because it means that good work, nothing. That's good work. See if he went up and went, Oh, I've always been I've been scared of so much. Thank God I've never been afraid of heights. That works. Because he just saved his ass.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:06

That doesn't feel like how it's written to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

No, I think it was written fine. I think I think it's just my boy Quinn just gone off on nothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:16

I think he's finding something, like a little bit of power in it. I think that's where he starts to go off. But fair.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:28

Q ranking. Also, my echo is starting to get louder. Like I can start to hear him more and more.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:36

God, alright, well, let's get the fuck out of here then. Your ranking first.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:42

My ranking, okay. So we have here is the bottom. It's shifted everything up one. We have Q at the bottom, and then it's alive, and then God told me to. I still think God told me to, it's such a unique concept, it's gonna be hard for the stuff to be touched. But saying that from the one scene that I know of the stuff, and the way this blu-ray looks, it's getting me. I like the aura that it has.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:13

It has a fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:17

Like I'm even looking at it, it's like like it's alien yogurt. I take it as yogurt. Also, can I say JJ Abrams? He took New York doesn't have a kaiju movie and he made a kaiju movie. Larry Conan did that before. Also, Cloverfield is about weird goop stuff that people cannot stop eating. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:44

Interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:50

This goes above it's alive for me and below God told me to. Just because it's less cohesive.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

You know, that's see, that's fair, because I don't think it's alive is particularly well made. It was just from someone who already likes basket case for being stupid, it is a technically better made basket case, although the baby does not have the same gusto as Beleo.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:21

No, no, it's not given the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:26

But even in Belial doesn't have like the emotional resonance that the baby has at the end. So yeah, there's there's ups and downs to it. But I think it's more of um it just it works for me more. I would uh I could see plenty of people watching it's alive and going, This is a shit move.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:45

I like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

But I like it. So anyway, next week the stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:55

Yeah, watching the stuff next week. If you want to email in about it, you can catch us at the uncannyvalleypodcast at gmail.com or on Instagram at the uncannyvalleypod.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:08

Any last thoughts? Uh quite school was great yet. There she is. Sad that she dies. Good night.