The Uncanny Valley
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The Uncanny Valley
UV30 - THE STUFF (1985)
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Join charlie and chris on their 4th and final (for now) journey into the filmography of the late great Larry Cohen, but as the boys reach the Larry Climax of this series can they keep their white sticky stuff under control or will this episode be glazed to monstrous proportions
Yes. As I walk through the uncanny valley of death, you shall fear no evil. For I am that evil.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_01But Charlie XEX was involved in it, and I think that's like it's like I put in my audible, it's spiritually funny games. They try to do the people people enjoy this level of violence, and it's actually the people's problem, and it's the way people consume media. But it's like it's about a content moderator who sees someone getting murdered, which is a content moderator, something you would see all the time, and she freaks out about it, and she's like, I have to tell the fucking police. And the guy's like, That'll that'll ruin your job. You can't do that. It's literally your job to not do that. So she starts going on as fucking she uses Reddit to investigate the murder. She uses Reddit comments as evidence to figure out where this guy is, even though the whole point is the murderer is using he's kidnapping people to kill them in the way that the fake death in faces of death happened, but he's making it look fake. And then it's like, okay, so why would you assume it's real that the fucking murder looks awkward? What a weird part. And it's like, well, I have trauma over this because I ended up on Live Leak where my friend got hit by a train because we were doing a TikTok dance on the real win. It's like I'm gonna fucking oh that's very stupid. I got to the 50 minute mark and I said, I cannot, I cannot take this movie anymore, it's getting turned off.
SPEAKER_03Oh really? Damn. Do you do that much?
SPEAKER_01It was just every single line happened. I was like, it's just painful. There's no point in it. And it's fucked up because when it's see when it's the slasher scenes, see when someone's actually getting attacked, it's like, oh, this is this looks good, it's well made, and then everything else is just abhorrently shit.
SPEAKER_03That's frustrating. Does it feel like two different units shot them?
SPEAKER_01No, I feel like it's I don't know. I guess it feels like a 13-year-old that was really into live leak was like, I'm going to make a socially conscious uh horror movie about faces of death. Props to them go to do use faces of death. How did they get money for that? I don't I don't think faces of death is okay. I'd imagine you could probably just throw a tender of them and they'd give you the rights to I don't know. You probably can't have the rights to faces of death. It's I suppose they did film with like fake animal death. So I suppose they owned that. But like the morgue footage and that, like you can't really copyright this is a motorcycle accident, you mean? Uh yeah, I don't think so. So I'd be a I guarantee Disney would put see Nintendo, see if Nintendo published someone getting their skull peeled, they'd be like, This is mine, you can't do anything about it, we'd sue the family.
SPEAKER_03Nintendo would have no problem. Disney would have no problem. If they did it, they would get away with it.
SPEAKER_01And it's like it's such a pussy way to do it, because like if you're gonna use any of the shock tapes, you use the one that's 90% fake and is the most famous named. And everyone there's gonna oh it's so fucked up. Everyone's seen faces. No, not that many people have seen faces of death, not that many people you could go hear shock footage for an hour and a half. Why don't you sit through it? Most people would say no. Again, I've got banned for TV here, and that is all real death footage. I just found it on eBay for £2, and I was like, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_03Why did you know why why are you seeking that out?
SPEAKER_01No, it was on eBay for two pound.
SPEAKER_03Alright, I wouldn't buy that, I wouldn't take that for free.
SPEAKER_01It's also interesting because it's not it's not just death footage, it's death footage that has been shown on television and then retracted from television, hence why the name banned from television.
SPEAKER_02Is that so anyway?
SPEAKER_01It's got like it's it's got like interesting bad stuff in it, though. It's not just like here's someone dying, it's like here's like protesters getting attacked by like the military and it. It's like it's actual documentary stuff. But it is also stuff that if I ever have a child, they'll be like, that's going up on top of the cupboard and you're never seeing that ever in your life.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean it's like a gun, basically.
SPEAKER_01Around the kid's like mental trauma gun.
SPEAKER_03It will ruin their life.
SPEAKER_01Well, I feel like if there's any if any of that sort of stuff happens nowadays, it's gone on TikTok regardless, surely. Did you Okay, two examples as of recent Kirk getting shot was everywhere for three days straight. You couldn't not see that footage.
SPEAKER_03Jeez, I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_01Wait, would you was it not on your TikTok?
SPEAKER_03I don't have to I mean I have a TikTok, but I don't think I even have it installed right now.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it was everywhere on TikTok and Twitter like that.
SPEAKER_03I don't use social media like that to be honest.
SPEAKER_01Well, memes were being made of the footage, so that was everywhere, and then there was that guy that fought Logan Paul for his friends, like he was in a car with his friends in Africa and he had a car crash and we got turned. Oh my god, the footage was horrendous, and that was absolutely everywhere as well.
SPEAKER_03That's horrible, that's really grim. I'm not, I don't like that.
SPEAKER_01You're so you're lucky you're not online nowadays. And people say the internet's much lamer, it's not, it's just more selective and what traumatizes your children.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's that's not enough.
SPEAKER_03That wasn't even I didn't find that traumatizing at the time. I found it gross and weird.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was always strange because it was always like people who go up to you in a social situation, be here, look at this, and you're expected to react. Yeah. It was always like, why were you looking this up in the first place? Yeah, exactly. I feel like the conversation is derailed from what our intention here is.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it has. It has direly. Uh welcome to The Uncanny Valley. Today we're talking about the stuff from 1985 directed by Larry Cohen. This is a fun movie. I didn't it's not as great all the way through as I remember from when I first watched it. But I still really liked it. I think it's very watchable.
SPEAKER_01Oh, so you're retracting your previous praise of this?
SPEAKER_03No, I still praise it. I just don't know. If you asked me which one my favorite is, going into this, I would have said it's easily gonna be this stuff.
SPEAKER_01But see, that's funny.
SPEAKER_03I I still really like it, and it might still be my favorite, but uh I'm not as sure offhand.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that's fun because for me, okay, I watched the director's cut first, and I was like, this is quite like this is a bad movie, but it's fun enough that it's on par with God told me to. But now that I've seen the non-director's cut, this isn't anywhere near as bad, and is definitely my favorite one now.
SPEAKER_03Nice, okay. I think it's really fun. I was and I think I'll have a higher opinion next time I watch it. I was let down, I didn't remember that the ending, you know, it ends with a broadcast and then sort of montages.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. What's wrong with that? It's a fun little montage.
SPEAKER_03It is, it is. I I misremembered how it ended. I remembered the way a higher budget movie would end, which is not fair. What do you mean? There's just more stuff happening in the streets, more more people getting killed.
SPEAKER_01So you were thinking like a little shop of horrors type finale was coming?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. But see, it works in the. Actually, you know what? The blob is what I'm thinking of, I guess. The the one I love. Have I talked to you about that movie? The 1985 The Blob, which I'm gonna make us do on this podcast at some point.
SPEAKER_01We will get around to the blob because it's one of my like my ones I have to get to at some point. And it's just like, see one of those movies that you're like, I know I would love that, but when you go to watch a movie, it just doesn't like there's it'll never come to your head in any way, shape, or form. Someone else has to say, oh, what about the blob for you to remember it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, definitely. Those can be the best ones though.
SPEAKER_01See, that's maybe it's just because it's on your second view. Because for me, like the movie ended at the military, and then the additional broadcast scene was just a fun little oh, here's chocolate chip.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, fair. I um no, yeah, I really enjoyed watching it. I don't really have a criticism. It's either this or Q, I think would be my favorite. And if Q wins, yeah, if Q wins, it's only because it has the last act where the dragons attacking people on a building.
SPEAKER_01I was fucked up. I thought God told me would be like your number one for sure.
SPEAKER_03I've been playing around with that. I've been thinking about this a lot today. And it's I really want to re-watch that sooner than later. I think it's really good. But it's not um I don't know, it's weird and really cool, and it's maybe the one I'd recommend to people first as like watch what this guy has made. This is really wild, but uh it doesn't feel as tonally consistent, and the supernatural stuff is really well done in a theatrical way, but it feels more cohesively integrated into the world in the stuff and queue for me.
SPEAKER_01See, for me, the one that I would tell people if they were going to watch Alaric Owen would easily be the stuff because I feel like it's easily best directed, but it's more stylish. Probably I'd say it's got a lot of people.
SPEAKER_03Are we talking about recommending it to like a film friend or just a regular person?
SPEAKER_01Just anyone. It's it's more stylish. If I was gonna go for a film, bro, I would probably say God told me to just because of the concept of it.
SPEAKER_03That's what I mean.
SPEAKER_01The lynching nature. Q, I would just be like, hey, see if you like a bad monster movie, I've got a bad monster movie you can check out.
SPEAKER_03Or if someone for some reason really likes Shaft and also and also David Carradine, and you go, you you know, you'll never know what they're looking for in this movie.
SPEAKER_01So if you have a little crush on Michael Moriari, I would probably recommend you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Speaking of him in this movie, he's so much better in this movie.
SPEAKER_01He's so good. Okay, cool, cool. I love him in this movie. Okay, I love it. You see stupid little catches anytime people gave me money. It's so dumb. I fucking I love it. See, at first I wasn't sure because that's clearly not his voice. Like, that's just it for me this time.
SPEAKER_03Sorry to interrupt you. This movie would be my outright favorite if it weren't for the really casual racism and misogyny for people who just don't get comeuppance. Like, it's just a natural part of the world in this movie, and I don't like it as it doesn't make me happy or comfortable.
SPEAKER_0180s business, what was a bat of it in the other Larry films?
SPEAKER_03A bit, but it didn't feel as it there there was, yeah. I guess I'm still overlooking it in that case, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_01What moment stood out of that for you?
SPEAKER_03Uh what chocolate chip Charlie comes by and he says uh this something like this I'll allow this colored guy to speak. But something, something, something, something. And then also just the way that not any character, but the movie and the script itself treats I forget her name, but the and how I'm treating now, the the female character.
SPEAKER_01Well, to be fair, I don't think we'd remember Mo's name unless he didn't fucking say it as much as he does in his movie.
SPEAKER_03He's a great thing that he says every it's not even like the Joker where he says it, it's just he says a different he wants Mo money or he just wants Mo.
SPEAKER_01I won Mo stuff. That's great. He's a little shitty and grin every time he says it as well. He's so happy with himself. But yeah, first when when he showed up, I was like, okay, I don't know if this is maybe I just don't like Michael Mori, because when he first showed up, I was like, okay, this is he's hamming it up again. But the more it goes on, I think it's like it's more in his character, but that clearly just is not his actual voice, and he's just talking like a dumbass.
SPEAKER_03It's he has a great line. Uh no one is as dumb as I appear to be, which is very funny. And it's like before we go too far, I want to ask when he first gets introduced, the guy who walks him into the boat, who he punches in the face, does he not look a tiny bit like Kyle McLaughlin?
SPEAKER_01Does he?
SPEAKER_03I think so.
SPEAKER_01I think it's for suit, man. I think you're getting this twisted, and I think it's we were talking about Kyle McLachlan earlier.
SPEAKER_03No, no, no, because this was before we were talking about Kyle McLaughlin.
SPEAKER_01Fun fact, I do have some notes, but because I'm using my phone to record, and then Discord is not being happy with me, I'm going to have to go off the notes that I have memorized. But see that little scene in the beginning where Michael Moriarty's in the little speedboat coming towards the yacht to talk to like these company investors. The camera was so heavy on that little speedboat that the boat was actively sinking as we were going towards the yacht.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01Well they just avoided them sinking into the fucking Hudson River.
SPEAKER_03That's hilarious. That's classic Larry Cohen, right?
SPEAKER_01Vindication, Chris. You motherfucker, I said in Q, I don't think that's how that character was wrote, and Michael Moriotti probably came in and went, No, I'm gonna do my own shit with it. Do you know what Larry Cohen talks about in his fucking commentary? Michael Moriarty came in and he said, Oh, he wanted to do his own thing with the character, and he basically rewrote the entire script for him just to facilitate his new character. Holy shit. Motherfucker. I knew I knew there was something wrong with Q. I knew the lines he was saying. I was like, that is not what his character would say. You had me doubting myself. Huh. And it doesn't seem like Michael's like a a drama queen or such. I think it's just Larry likes him enough.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think that's it. I think it just lets him go off.
SPEAKER_01Because uh, I mean this is it's he's made four movies with him. It's Q, The Stuff, Return Salem's Lot, and then apparently he's in It's a Live 3, the Holiday Island one. Alright, you said But um another little lot I've remembered, because Larry wanted Michael's character to appear different in this, he gave him a toupee to hide his bold spot, which Michael wasn't happy about. So now from every film that he works with him onwards, Michael requests a toupee, but it has to be a different toupee from the last one. That's wild. Forcing Larry to spend thousands on toupees for him just because he covered up his bold spot in this one. Holy shit.
SPEAKER_00It's like there's such drama queens behind the scene. Sounds like good friends though. But yeah, fucking the cum Chris.
SPEAKER_01The cum's pair of. Yeah, he goes down and he goes, Oh, look, there's white sticky stuff on the ground. You should come right.
SPEAKER_03He takes his like two fingers and he shoves them in a hole, and then he starts like um very small fucking joint. Wild imagery for the very start of your movie.
SPEAKER_01And it's like, okay, so this this implies that the stuff has always been underground. Surely, and this is just it coming out. But I feel like this should be.
SPEAKER_03It's vague, maybe it could have been a meteor or something.
SPEAKER_01You bet they're in like a quarry, aren't we?
SPEAKER_03It looks like they're in you know, a drilling site in Antarctica or Alaska.
SPEAKER_01And it's like, how did no one find that cum? It was like there's so much of it, we're sucking it out with like fucking tubes.
SPEAKER_02No idea.
SPEAKER_01Uh like the the the first instinct was called this is I wonder if from the second you start eating it, if it like immediately takes control of your brain, because why would you go, I found floor cum? I need to make sure everyone on planet earth eats this floor cum. Yeah, it seems like immediately you're taken over by is there not people in the movie that eat it and they're like they don't like it. So what would you is it like, do you think it's no, I don't think anyone doesn't like it. But it's like it's alive, but it's not really intelligent, is it?
SPEAKER_03Hmm. I don't know. I guess that's something we can talk about.
SPEAKER_01But we're we're Chris, we're talking about it right now. When else are we gonna talk about this?
SPEAKER_03No, I mean that's what I'm saying. I wasn't really even thinking about that as a concept. It seems intelligent on an evolutionary sort of muscle reactive level. It knows when it's being observed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but that's the thing, like, see when people are working under the cum influence. Are they is it like their own stuff that goes, I have to protect the cum? Or is it the cum that's making them go you have to protect me now?
SPEAKER_03I think it's telling them it has they have to protect it.
SPEAKER_01That would that would be like on a level of intelligence, like almost at the same level of humanity, which makes me think it's it's really similar to the thing, I think. Yeah, but the thing is like is in the Antarctic we're always finding mad shit up there that's still alive that we thought, oh that should have died a long, long time ago. We're not just going, oh look, we found floor cum and it's growing.
SPEAKER_02Well, they did.
SPEAKER_01I have to say, I feel like Larry Cohen, he showed such extraordinary restraint not making cum jokes once in this entire movie.
SPEAKER_03I I guess so. Do you think he seems like a guy to do that? Uh he doesn't seem like that to me.
SPEAKER_01He doesn't seem like a guy to make cum jokes.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. In his movie, explicitly cum jokes. I don't uh movies or uh in movies a joke about someone like I don't even know about orgasming, like finishing, maybe, you know, like a PG version of a cum joke.
SPEAKER_01But it's a 15, why would you need to make it a PG? I suppose there's children on set.
SPEAKER_03I don't know, not that he would have to, just like his vibe. I don't see him making a cum joke. That's all.
SPEAKER_01But from what I see behind the movie.
SPEAKER_03I'm not even saying that right.
SPEAKER_01Like a good, a vast John Garris movie was kind of just improv, like on the day we worked it out. So you tell me not it must have been a tactical decision. Because are you telling me that Michael Murray and Larry Cohen and every other actor on set don't go Hey guys? This looks a bit like cum.
SPEAKER_03Probably. Also, now that I'm processing it, I think I was just grumpy that I couldn't get the longer cut of the movie. I did really enjoy watching this, and I just kept thinking there might be a better version of it, which is why I'm casting aspersions on it a little bit.
SPEAKER_01No, you've really done it. Even Larry himself in the director's commentary is like, yeah, I feel like this is the better version. Because most of it is spent.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's really good. It's very watchable. It's a good effect.
SPEAKER_01The stuff prop. The stuff prop's so good. I want a little the stuff done.
SPEAKER_03It's so good. And the the practical effects kick ass, all the people stretching.
SPEAKER_01The practical effects are awesome. But even down to like the comments. The way it like mooths and clean shit.
SPEAKER_03It's creepy as hell.
SPEAKER_01It's really and like everything in it like from behind the scenes, it's all different shit. Because at one point he's like, Oh, it's slightly melted Hagen Nass. And then they also used shaving cream. And then they also used liquid plastic. And then they also used firefighting foam.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's cool.
SPEAKER_01It is but like it all looks identical to each other.
SPEAKER_03And they also have the kid eat shaving cream in the one scene, which is a funny reference to that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I feel like on the day they I'm pretty sure he said on the day that was kind of made up for. I wonder how much of Larry Conan's scripts when you actually get down to him has he actually fucking wrote. Because it seems like everything in this, he was just a even the scene, I presume you're watching it at the same time as me, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh I am at five minutes and thirty-five seconds.
SPEAKER_01Oh, so you're not at the same scene as me. No, how far are you in? I'm with Mo when he's at the like the weird chemist guy who approved the the come to be in the.
SPEAKER_03When you start getting into the conspiracy stuff, which is pretty fun.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the conspiracy is really fucking good.
SPEAKER_03I was trying to forget a picture of this guy who I thought looked like Kyle McLachlan McLachlan a little bit.
SPEAKER_01It does not look like Kyle McLachlan at all. It's like if Bruce Campbell and Stan Lee Tucci had a child.
SPEAKER_03Who would look like Kyle McLachlan?
SPEAKER_01It wouldn't look like Kyle McLachlan, as you agreed earlier, is the hottest man. Sure. But I'm at the scene with when he's talking to that chemist guy and he's like, Oh yeah, everyone that approved it for stores, I don't know what's in it, but everyone that approved it, I can get you their numbers, and he's like, Oh, that's strange, but all dead or on holiday.
SPEAKER_03And he's like, Yeah, it's like don't worry about it. I already tried, they're gone.
SPEAKER_01But like, even that, he was like, Oh, yeah, this is my actor friend that I got on the day, and he just had to try it. We got him cue cards, and it's like, how much of this fucking film you just you pulled out of your arse last moment.
SPEAKER_03That's why Larry Cohen is rad.
SPEAKER_01It is, but from what it sounds like is most actors fucking hate doing that and cannot stand the way he makes movies, and the reason he uses the same people is because people like Michael Moriarty and that have fun with it.
SPEAKER_03Well, Michael Moriarty, sorry, I thought I had myself muted for that. That was ice in my the last of my coffee. Uh Michael Moriarty just gets to do whatever he wants, that's why he keeps coming back.
SPEAKER_01If he walks on set, or the second movie where his director swings his dick on the table and goes, actually, I want you to change my entire character. Crazy.
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SPEAKER_01His diva behavior, even um, you know, later on.
SPEAKER_03Even for a nice guy.
SPEAKER_01Like, even Twin Mo is like at the post office later on, and they're like, Where the fuck is everyone in this little town? You know, when he gets to like the gas station where they meet um chocolate chip Charlie.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Where he gets ambushed. He gets fucking jumped.
SPEAKER_03We get a karate sequence, which is how how many people is this guy greeting like this?
SPEAKER_01Do you think would you think since he's been fired, he's just had a mental breakdown?
SPEAKER_03It seems like it.
SPEAKER_01And like he's like, I'm investigating this town. There is one person in this town, and he's not by him. He's hiding in a bush across the street. And he's like, he's a friendly guy. So I mean, but maybe maybe chocolate chip showed up and he was like, Oh, I can see him being being one of the cumbies. I'm gonna hide and attack when possible.
SPEAKER_03I wonder where he sends him, because he just dies there.
SPEAKER_01What, chocolate chip Charlie?
SPEAKER_03I w yeah, I wonder where Mo sends Chocolate Chip Charlie when he's like whispering to him on the bar. He he hands him a little letter. He says we should split up. And then the next the next time we see Charlie, he's dead. He's he's stuffed.
SPEAKER_01Well uh well, I suppose we'll talk about it when we get to the end. But uh a slight theory of the implications of that. But that first scene when Charlie shows up, that was the first day that they filmed, and the cameraman had forgotten his equipment to film. And apparently Larry got so angry at him that Michael um walked off set and refused to do the film. But then apparently Larry was so nice about him leaving the film that he felt bad and then came back and did it anyway.
SPEAKER_02What the hell? Okay.
SPEAKER_01So there was almost like a a a breakup on set. Wild.
SPEAKER_02Michael and I read it at the start, so literally the first fucking day.
SPEAKER_01Fuck it. Uh she went. I keep saying fucking a lot, I can see why your mum's the your mum's not gonna like this episode whatsoever.
SPEAKER_03No. That's fine.
SPEAKER_01That's his mother who loves it. You did click on the cum episode, it's not my fault.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. But the cum is what we'll title this episode. Larry Larry Conan's the cum. He should have called it that and never referenced it. That would have been funny.
SPEAKER_01No, but he should have called it it's the cum. T H Vum.
SPEAKER_03That's really funny.
SPEAKER_01Cause then if anyone questions it, you can go up to it's clearly aliens. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, come on. Oh, I misspelled it? Oh, I didn't know that. Sorry.
SPEAKER_01It was a typo, I sent the poster out. Someone fucked up on on the way.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I told him.
SPEAKER_01I told Gary to fix that, and I don't know why he didn't, but a little footage of him behind the scenes with his the cum tubs, and he's like, oh how did this happen?
SPEAKER_03Behind the scenes footage of someone filming him writing C-U-M and looking really pleased with himself, and then he sees them and takes the camera away.
SPEAKER_01He's like one of his found footage with like stop videoing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly. He just cuts the way the the camera pans away for a second, and when it goes back, he's staring right at you.
SPEAKER_01He cuts to outside his trailer, and you say I'm going fucking the cum! And he's like, Wait, I hear someone outside quack. Who's that?
SPEAKER_02Who is that? They're coming.
SPEAKER_01Charlie jumps from above the trailer. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Terrifying.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, oh my the practical effects. I don't know who did the practical effects. And the stop motion like jittering of it, it looks so fucking good. Oh my god. I mean, it is a poor dog, the dog's probably pretty happy.
SPEAKER_02Hmm, no.
SPEAKER_01Because now if it's 8 him, it can have as much cum as it wants.
SPEAKER_03That's what that dog well if that dog really loved cum, well that then you know then who am I to begrudge it what it wants in life.
SPEAKER_01If that dog really loved cum, crushed everything.
SPEAKER_03I guess, man. If that's what I gotta do to be dog woke.
SPEAKER_01The left of ruining everything. We're bringing the cum intermo.
SPEAKER_03What have they done to us?
SPEAKER_01Like the I feel like the most unrealistic thing about this movie is how like the supply and demand of the cum. Because there's no way that many people in that many cities want that much of the cum and it's still being able to be shipped out. There would be like a cum jump.
SPEAKER_03I think it just is they just happen to like convert all our facilities to it or something like that.
SPEAKER_01But even then, like from underground, is it like does it grow itself? Is it like cum yeast? Do you just like put it in a jar?
SPEAKER_03That's really unclear. I think it is kind of like cum yeast. Yeah, it's like cum sourdough starter.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's a worse, that's a worse selection of words.
SPEAKER_01But like I wonder, but it's do what it's fucked up. No one thinks of application for a cum. No one makes like a cum cheesecake.
SPEAKER_03The guy credited for doing special effects for the stuff did special effects for reanimator.
SPEAKER_02Just reanimator?
SPEAKER_03That's the last one he did, which is interesting. He did something called What Waits Below, which sounds really cool. Something called Space Raiders uncredited. And then something his first is something called Scared to Death. These are his like effects crew. He has other credits.
SPEAKER_01He made the Pickled Onion Space Raiders?
SPEAKER_03From 1983.
SPEAKER_01Well, you don't get Space Raiders in America?
SPEAKER_02I don't know what that means.
SPEAKER_01They're little well, you would call them chips, but they're crisps. It's like a little bag of crisp. And it's little alien heads, and they taste like pickled onion.
SPEAKER_03No. I don't know anything about that.
SPEAKER_01No. See? It's the aliens so connected.
SPEAKER_03It's a movie about aliens kidnapping a ba a child.
SPEAKER_01Oh I pray I was gonna say does it involve cum, but I pray to God it doesn't involve cum that you've said that synopsis.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, I hope not.
SPEAKER_01Discredit the cum guy.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's his name, yeah. Look at his IMDB. It's just the cum guy.
SPEAKER_01See, if I was on this.
SPEAKER_03Stunt gaffer.
SPEAKER_00Stunt driver. That's cool. But like how does your career go from cum to stunt? Stunts?
SPEAKER_03I don't know, it's interesting. What was he in? He worked on The Rocketeer as stunt safety. Back to the Future Part 2 and 3.
SPEAKER_01See, this is what I mean. Everyone around Larry Connor has such weird and interesting careers.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's like even I forget the what's the while's your own letterboxed, help us out because we can't keep saying like the female protagonist. What's her name?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, let me let me look that up.
SPEAKER_00Pull it up for me before before we get cancelled by the walking or alien come.
SPEAKER_02Nicole. Nicole.
SPEAKER_01See her dad? He saved Judy Garland from an overdose. Oh wait, wait, wait.
SPEAKER_03The actress is Andrea Markovici.
SPEAKER_01Well Andrea Markovici. Her dad saved Judy Garland from a sleeping pill overdose. And the reason it gets brought up in the commentary is because her mum visited Set and went, oh wait, what the fuck? This is the room that he saved Judy Garland in. That's nuts. Alright. It's like Larry Gonz got like a he's like a gravitational pool for just interesting people.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, what a strange fucking coincidence. Paul Sorvino's in this. Who's Paul Sorvino? He's the uh colonel. He's in Goodfellas. He's just the fat Italian guy in everything.
SPEAKER_00I feel like New York's gotta have an abundance of the fat Italian guy.
SPEAKER_03He's not Tony Sorry.
SPEAKER_00Paul Sorvino's the guy.
SPEAKER_01Besides the guy from the Sopranos. I feel like the new guy is Tony Soprano's son. What's his name? Michael Gandalfini. Oh yeah, he was in The Long Walk and he's in Daredevil. He's such a good actor, man. He's like one of those. He is.
SPEAKER_03I forgot that I saw I haven't been watching Daredevil.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's great in it as just like a slimy little guy in a suit. Which I suppose is like people say it it helps a lot with his dad's fucking Tony Soprano.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I guess so. That's cool though.
SPEAKER_01But what do you see the the practical effects in this thought? I feel like we get more attention to like the stop motion dislocated jaws, but see in that little town.
SPEAKER_03All the jaw stuff is so good in this movie.
SPEAKER_01The jaw stuff is good, but do you know what I prefer? See when they're the karate fight in that little town and they're punching bits of people's face off.
SPEAKER_03Oh, it's so good. Yeah, that is really good. Where it's almost like you would have if you were in a computer simulation and like knocking people to bits.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's like they're hollow.
SPEAKER_03It's like someone's having to borrow them out. It's so creepy. It's like the stuff has eaten everything from the inside of them. And like, it's like they're infested with maggots or something and they've just hollowed them out.
SPEAKER_01But like we're not it's like Rigor Mortis's setting, like we're stiff when people karate chopped through. He really should have made a sequel to this where it's just following like chocolate chip Charlie's meeting the FBI and him like fighting the stuff after he's making because imagine an action movie with the stuff.
SPEAKER_00I want that.
SPEAKER_03That's what I was kinda hoping for at the end of this.
SPEAKER_00But you were wanting like a full like military invasion little shores finale.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, a little bit.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Well what what else we've got?
SPEAKER_01We've got so the the little the little boy side plot, I feel like it's kind of like why is why is this in the film? Like it doesn't add anything to it.
SPEAKER_03I think it's just sort of an 80s thing of like kids were watching these kinds of movies at the time, Snake and N or however else, and it's for the kids watching this movie, I think. I didn't mind it so much.
SPEAKER_01I feel like Steve, that was its own movie. I would like it more. But it feels kind of like ham-fisted in with Mo's whole conspiracy theory thing.
SPEAKER_03It does. I wonder if Mo's character was supposed to die at some point, and that kid was supposed to be the main character.
SPEAKER_01Because like we start with him, and he's like, the cum's moving in the fridge, mum. Don't eat the cum. She's like, I'm gonna eat the cum. You should also eat the cum.
SPEAKER_03I've had that conversation with my mum. I shouldn't remember the money.
SPEAKER_00I thought I had not.
SPEAKER_01And he's like, No, I'm gonna put on this. And he's like, that is good, and then you're like, okay, we're gonna force you to eat the cum. And he's like, I love the cum, dad, don't worry. And he's eating, he's eating the shaving. That whole scene's really good and it's really creepy, and I like that it shows like the effects of what someone that isn't a big cum fan sees with the other cum fans. It's like it's like in a football match day when everyone's talking about fucking football, and you just don't give a shit. Like I've related to him on that level. But then it's like, okay, so he goes, I'm eating the cum, don't worry, everyone. And then he fucking bolts out the house.
SPEAKER_00I have said that to people a lot before.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a recurrent statement. Yeah, yeah. But he like he then bolts out the house. So what was the point in the pretend cum eating?
SPEAKER_03Well, it seems like his dad was on to him and he noticed that his dad was on to him.
SPEAKER_01But like if they're like a cum hive mind, you think the cum would be.
SPEAKER_03I think each one independent. I think they have sort of a base point of knowledge that they all start from, and that point of knowledge increases as they learn, but once they grow out into their own independent entity, they don't really communicate internally anymore. As much.
SPEAKER_02They just instinctively know what they need to accomplish.
SPEAKER_00Oh, see, I I get that.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I'm I'm more on board of that. Why was Mo outside this little boy's house?
SPEAKER_03He was he saw him on the news saying it was moving in the fridge.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you forgot the whole thing with the little boy where they take him to the insane asylum. Yeah. Smashing up a shop and then his fucking his brother's a nutcase man.
SPEAKER_03Dude, I have a note that says kids would make the best protesters because they can just do a bunch and not get sued for property damage.
SPEAKER_00Oh, but the parents definitely would nowadays. But my god, see his fucking little brother, well, his big brother. Fucking nut job.
SPEAKER_02He's also a horrible actor.
SPEAKER_03What does he say at some point? He has a line of look who's here later on when they're all really possessed. And do you remember how he delivers it? No, I do not. He says something like, look, who's here? It's not that stilted, but it's look, comma, it's look who's here.
SPEAKER_01But do you think that's maybe just adds like you're you're you're a come man direction from Larry?
SPEAKER_03I think it's that direction from Larry and then taken by a bad actor and put into a weird context.
SPEAKER_01Cause I do re the line where he's like, you all get what you want. And it's like, but is is that his fault as an actor? Is it he's been told, Oh, you're you're you're a little cum man now. Don't act like I think the parents do a good job.
SPEAKER_03I think there are actors that do a good job with whatever they're being asked to do.
SPEAKER_01See the little boy, um, I'd say I don't have his name now because I'm a fucking nuts. But the little boy that is the main character, his big brother is his actual big brother. Because his big brother was he was doing the script reading for it, and he said to Larry, I'm too old for this role. Do you want to try little brother? And that's how his little which I mean fucking props to him. Getting to be like a main character in a big movie, and you're like, no, this just doesn't work for the plot. Do you want to try my little brother instead? Very true.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, like an insanely nice thing to do. I wouldn't fucking do that.
SPEAKER_03No, I wouldn't either. I'd be like, Even if it was just for the royalties.
SPEAKER_01I'd be like, this is a bit like little fucking cum monsters. I'm not, I'm not, this isn't like high art here. Come on.
SPEAKER_03It don't matter. I did look up at some point, Michael Mariarty is 6'4. He's 6'4. He's 6'4. Because standing next to Chocolate Chip Charlie, it's such a height disparity. And I went, how tall? One of these people is either very short or very tall.
SPEAKER_01I just thought chocolate chip was tiny. He was like a small one.
SPEAKER_03At first, also, but then I I looked at Michael Moriari first, and he's 6'4. He hunches all the time, which I think helps not notice that.
SPEAKER_01Because I was gonna say in Q, he didn't look like noticeably massive compared to anybody.
SPEAKER_03No, but he always has his shoulders in and his head down and sort of his neck in. He he's never really standing as tall as he could be.
SPEAKER_01So well going back to do you not still agree that it's strange that Mo just happily kidnapped this young boy?
SPEAKER_03It's I was thinking it's so funny. What a horrible scenario in any other situation where a strange man drives up to a house, sees a little boy, and says, I saw it move too, get in my car.
SPEAKER_01And then the fact that his private jet and driver sees him take this strange little boy that's clearly not.
SPEAKER_03That's such a funny moment where uh I don't remember that lady's name either, but the lady who he is working with just looks concerned. Oh, Nicole. Yeah, that's the same lady. You're right. Nicole just looks outright concerned.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, she's only known this man for like a day at this time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, she's like, how many kids? When did you take and lose the last kid?
SPEAKER_01His parents are full of cum.
SPEAKER_03His parents are full of cum.
SPEAKER_01There's cum everywhere. You don't understand, Nicole.
SPEAKER_03That should have been the radio call.
SPEAKER_01He's the first like millionaire man to kidnap a little boy and take him to his private jet to escape the cum monster. Shut up, that's horrible.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. Yeah, you're not wrong. Michael Mori already, before we get away from that first chips scene, Michael Moriarty has the best line in the movie for me, which is okay, lethal hands, kill the door.
SPEAKER_01He's like, You got weapons?
SPEAKER_00And he's like, I told you my best of weapons, and he's like.
SPEAKER_01Well, better kill me if they get me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. He's also a noted piece of shit. At some point in the movie, I noted he says a couple motor companies hired me to discredit consumer groups.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, he makes that a point in the movie. He doesn't pretend like he's a nice person. Oh no, not at all. I just wanted to note it. It was a very funny line to me. That's it. I'm watching it right now where the little boy's trying to flush the cum down the toilet and it's like clawing its way back. That's something. Holy crap! See when you get to this scene where he's flushing the cum down the toilet, look at those.
SPEAKER_03Flashing people's faces get pushed punched off right now.
SPEAKER_01You'll get to it, but keep an eye, he has the sickest return of the guy shower cuttings you have ever seen. And it's like that's clearly like your parents did not put that up. Why why is there Star Wars shower curtains in your house?
SPEAKER_03That was one of the creepiest scenes for the stuff moving was in the toilet, feeling like it was just gonna come out, but also not. It was moving like a bug would move. Just sort of exploring. It wasn't intent.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we've all been there when you try to flush a cum down the toilet and it starts crawling its way back out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_02Gets messy.
SPEAKER_00Thankfully you've got a shaving cream down.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, exactly that.
SPEAKER_03Oh, did you notice? There's a I'm jumping around a lot. I want to mention this before I forget it. It's in my notes, but I want to forget it. There's a really obvious stunt, not even like a stunt double because of the fire in the room. But in the motel when the guy is lit on fire and covered in the stuff on the ceiling, uh Michael Moriarty has swapped out for a guy with a like thick hairline, totally different face.
SPEAKER_01That's fucked up though, because you think they would just give his toupee, wouldn't you?
SPEAKER_03It's at 50 minutes, if you if you want to keep an eye out for it.
SPEAKER_01No, don't worry, I'll get to it. Fuck it. See this scene where he's running out of the house and his dad looks at him and slowly sucks the cum off his fingers off his face. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh horrible.
SPEAKER_01But what was Mo's plan? Because he like he he flies them all towards the cum base because he's like investigate.
SPEAKER_03He's treating it like they are a guerrilla resistance force at this point.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean if he has chocolate chip's hands. Nickel's true on the moment.
SPEAKER_03He says they're registered lethal weapons several times in this movie.
SPEAKER_01Is he wrong? Everyone else that gets cornered by the cum monsters gets eaten. He just punches them and walks off.
SPEAKER_03No, he is great. He does get eaten though. Whenever he does.
SPEAKER_01He does get a bit.
SPEAKER_03Is it is it after this is after he's been sent off, right? They're in that bar together, and he says go talk to my friend at the FBI in Washington, but he's misleading the stuff. He's they both say that to make the stuff think he's going somewhere else, but then he dies anyway.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but you not think maybe he's going to the FBI at some point, and maybe that like does it not imply that maybe the FBI has been overtaken by the cum?
SPEAKER_03Hmm, I see that. I like that implication.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Like we're moving into positions of work because like Yeah, that's cool. Honestly, the president would probably eat the cum. I don't see why he wouldn't. The current one is, so yeah, but there's comparisons to be made about a man in fake time on a private jet with a boy, but we'll leave it, we'll leave it at that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, let's definitely leave it at that.
SPEAKER_01What a suave little private jet that man has as well. It looks so comfortable.
SPEAKER_03It is, it is. He's great in this. Michael Murray already makes this nerdy feeling guy also feel very slick, which is fun.
SPEAKER_02But he's not like a big thing.
SPEAKER_03He feels like he's about to stumble over it at any second, but he still always pulls it off.
SPEAKER_01But if I see if you were gonna cast like this kind of suave, like slimy businessman that could pull off all these maneuvers and has ties to the military and Fire, you would not cast Michael Murray. He looks too thin.
SPEAKER_03He really does, yeah. And it it works because of the way he plays it. He really plays him like an idiot.
SPEAKER_02You play but like even when he punches.
SPEAKER_03Like you're like Yeah, that's a crazy introduction to his character.
SPEAKER_01But Michael Moretti would just not do you can tell by looking at that man, he just would not do that.
SPEAKER_03Definitely not. No. He plays jazz, he doesn't want to hurt his jazz fingers.
SPEAKER_01He looks like a butters from South Park grew up to be an adult man.
SPEAKER_03Holy shit, he does, yeah.
SPEAKER_01You're not hurting.
SPEAKER_03Who would you cast in this role?
SPEAKER_01If I was gonna do like slick swath. See, I don't know too many people who could pull that off.
SPEAKER_03I don't want to just say Kurt Russell. He was in the thing.
SPEAKER_01It's no he could pull it off.
SPEAKER_03He cut his hair short, he could pull this off. He was in Stargate.
SPEAKER_01No, but if we're doing like a modern take on it. Who was with it?
SPEAKER_03Oh, you're talking about modern actors?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, if you were remaking this now, who would you cast as Mo?
SPEAKER_02Hmm. That's a good question. John Hammond?
SPEAKER_01See the guy that played Leon in Welcome to Raccoon City, I feel like he could pull it off.
SPEAKER_03He would do alright. What what age are we looking at? I don't Michael Moriarty looks like 30-year, 32.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, he would have to be slightly older because like he makes it a point like he was like in the military, maybe at some point, working for like the FBI.
SPEAKER_03He would have to be in some more. Michael Moriarty was born in 1941. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is he still kicking?
SPEAKER_03He's I think he is, yeah. He's 43 in this movie. Oh my god. 44?
SPEAKER_02That's nuts.
SPEAKER_03No, he looks good for his age in this. I thought he looked bad for his age. I thought he was a bad looking 32. He's a good looking 44.
SPEAKER_01To be fair, with two pays probably carrying his ass in it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, fair, fair.
SPEAKER_01Oh, but that makes me want to watch It's Alive 3 even more now, because I'm like, that was that was his fourth movie with him. Was his second? What's he gonna look like when he's in like his 50s in that? Because it's like a holiday resort. A man's gonna be kicking about with his shades on and top off.
SPEAKER_03That's a great question, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't know what kind of toupee. See if you see if Michael Moriarty was like, you have to buy me a new toupee, what kind of hairstyle are you getting him?
SPEAKER_02Would I get Michael Mariarty?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Honestly, do you have to fuck with him? I would probably give him like a faux hawk or like a mullet. Just to really pick because he would not suit either of those in any way, shape, or form.
SPEAKER_03That's funny as hell, but no, I don't I don't know. I would just find a good one. I don't think I would want to get someone a joke. I can't even think of what a good one would be off the top of my head, but I wouldn't think of a joke one.
SPEAKER_01You wouldn't give a joke one to the cunt that said you have to buy me on YouTube every single film.
SPEAKER_03That's true. Well at that point I'm going for like hippie hair. Like waist length long hair.
SPEAKER_01Did you give him the little bandana?
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01Oh, and the purple sunglasses as well.
SPEAKER_03Yes, definitely. See what he does with that. That would be really fun. Have you seen My Science Project?
SPEAKER_01No, I hear you were building a little volcano with foam. How did it go?
SPEAKER_03Shut the fuck up. No, it's a movie with uh Dennis Hopper plays a small role. It's a sort of a time travel movie, and Dennis it's a high school thing, and Dennis Hopper plays a high school science teacher who like checks in on the kids who are going through the thing in the movie. It's an 80s movie. It's pretty fun.
SPEAKER_01What correlation does that have to this?
SPEAKER_03He would play that role well, that kind of role where he's like a crazy, like, alright, man, you can't be messing with this. You think if you if you do this too much, you're gonna mess with the physics of time, man.
SPEAKER_01So it's about a high school project that can like distort space-time.
SPEAKER_03They I mean, how much do you want me to tell you about it? Do you want to watch it and find out, or do you want me to just tell you sort of what happens in it and let you find out how all that happened?
SPEAKER_01Give me a fair rundown.
SPEAKER_03Uh they I don't think they travel anywhere in time. They like open a portal that transports things to them from places in time, and it starts distorting, and they'll have like a dinosaur or like a guy in Roman armor.
SPEAKER_01In the what?
SPEAKER_00So it's like Bell and Ted 2 in the mall.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if maybe I guess so.
SPEAKER_03That's a weird reference. I wouldn't have said that offhand, but I guess so.
SPEAKER_01That seems like the vibe you're giving me here, though.
SPEAKER_03Sounds like it, yeah. I don't remember too much of Bill and Ted 2. I've seen the first one a bunch.
SPEAKER_01I've not seen either since like childhood. But I feel like they'd remember those movies will not have aged well.
SPEAKER_03I don't know what to I think it's just because one of them is a lot of gay jokes, I know that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but that's f I can take like old humor. That's true.
SPEAKER_02It doesn't mean it aged well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but things not aging well is more of its charm. You'll go back and watch it, you'll be like, oh, that was a bit rough.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. What's the most recent movie you watched that didn't age as well as you thought it did?
SPEAKER_01But didn't age as well. I'm trying to because I'm mostly I don't really re-watch movies too much. I tend to see if a movie's see if I've got two options and it's like, do I want to re-watch an old movie or do I want to watch something I've never seen before? I'm always gonna go with something I've never seen before.
SPEAKER_03Um I think I'm the opposite because I'm so anxious. I just re-watch stuff a lot.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but when but see if I see if I'm presented an option, I'm like, well, even if like I'll get something new out of it, I might go back and re-watch this movie and not like it, and then I'll just ruin that movie for me.
SPEAKER_03I guess that nice name. What does it matter that you ruined it for yourself if you truly didn't like it? It turns out.
SPEAKER_01Because I thought I liked it and that's the important part.
SPEAKER_02I guess so.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so Chris, we're but we we skipped around a wee bit, we're back at the mortal scene. This is crazy weak. A fun scene. And I also see, I do have I have notes, some of it stayed in the head.
SPEAKER_03How does this play out in your version of the movie?
SPEAKER_01Um, they're both we're have they're having a little snooze in the bed, but little does he know his pillow is full of cum, as tends to happen. What do you mean they cut away?
SPEAKER_03In the theatrical version, they cut to a commercial. The commercial at the restaurant, which is at the start of your version.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think it's shown both parts in my one. I think mine isn't like a proper like rebuilding of it. I think we just put the scenes where stuff is supposed to be.
SPEAKER_03Gotcha.
SPEAKER_01Fun fact this is.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_00Ah. I assume you know that it's a parody.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I got to the dad angrily licking his fingers at his kid. Horrible. Disgusting.
SPEAKER_01Do you see you showed that clip out of context?
SPEAKER_03Just a man looking licking a white And then another man drives up and says, Get in the back of my car.
SPEAKER_01You know, that's the scene that if you're watching this, people will walk in and go, What in the fuck are you watching?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_01But the the motel scene, it's cool because Larry Conan, he was making this and he went, I want to do what a nightmare on Elm Street did, but with Cum. So what he did is he phoned up New Line Cinema and went, Can you get me the guy that did the Ferry special effects? And he got in contact with that guy and he built a room that can like bend and go up on its side.
SPEAKER_02Cool.
SPEAKER_01So he can film this. Because the the like the effect of him going woo and getting sucked up into the con wall. It's it's done the same way that Nancy's death in the nightmare on Elm Street is where she's getting dragged up the wall.
SPEAKER_02Really? Oh, that's so cool. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Because Larry said he was like, he said he was gonna build me a house. I thought it was this big contraption that was coming. No, you just hired seven guys to lift a room up on one side. But he doesn't explain it well, because he says like the cameraman is technically upside down in the shot, and I'm like, how the fuck does that work? Did he just like did he slap the camera on the shoes and stick to the s how how is he upside down?
SPEAKER_03I was trying to figure it out watching it. I can't really it's a really good special effect. I can't really figure out what's going on. Have you seen it yet? Have you seen the very fake Mo?
SPEAKER_01The very fake mo. No, I missed the very fake mo. Do you know what's worth I'm going back to it?
SPEAKER_03And if I didn't know it's right around 50 minutes.
SPEAKER_01It was right around 50 minutes. Yeah, like you you've timestamped exactly where fake moes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01No, that's him leaving the hotel. Come on. Come on, where is it? I also see just in 80s films when like the horror scenes are going on and they don't give a fuck about realism, and they bring in the smoke machines and they have the big neon lights going. It looks so much better than You're right. That does Bo? Who's that? That's fucking Bo.
SPEAKER_03It's just some totally random guy. He doesn't look at all like him.
SPEAKER_01And he's just waving his hands in the air like that's not him.
SPEAKER_03Even from the back, it doesn't look like him at all. Oh, that's such so bad. Why would so funny?
SPEAKER_01Michael's right there.
SPEAKER_03Like, why didn't he just I think because the thing's on fire, he must be a stunt guy.
SPEAKER_01I highly doubt that Larry Conan gave a fuck about it. Maybe Michael Murray already did. No, I don't think Michael Murray.
SPEAKER_03He seems like he's up for a good time. Yeah, that's true. It is a statement that the special effects are so good you don't notice that though.
SPEAKER_01Bo shows up in the neon lights and form.
SPEAKER_03And then he like dies in an alternate universe and Mo shows back up.
SPEAKER_01I was thinking about this when I first watched this, and I'm watching it now. This is just invasion of the body snatchers, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03Oh shit, yes, it definitely is. You're very right.
SPEAKER_01But it's just 100% invasion of the body snatchers.
SPEAKER_03But it's um consumerism instead of communism.
SPEAKER_01I feel like it would have been so much more fun if see the cum could like disguise itself as things and we had like an evil mo.
SPEAKER_03That would be fun. Yeah, if it was like the cum in Doctor Who.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, oh Jack Lily The Cum and Doctor Who.
SPEAKER_03That would be that would be really fun.
SPEAKER_01I feel like there's something else that involves like cum monsters, and I can't think of what it is.
SPEAKER_03Other cum monsters? I can't think of them either. Like a TV show or a movie.
SPEAKER_01Something else has a cum monster. What else has a cum monster? Westworld has those kind of cum robots where they're in the little boot.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I'm not aware of the cum robots in Westworld.
SPEAKER_01You have Neil in the Matrix, he wakes up in the like the womb cum chip.
SPEAKER_03He does wake up, yeah, in his little womb.
SPEAKER_01What if just fucked up see the amount of kids that watch with Matrix, and that's that's like horrifying imagery to show children.
SPEAKER_03You're not wrong, but it's also made by people who were struggling with a lot of gender identity issues, so it they probably had a lot of horrifying imagery in their heads.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but kids in the 90s weren't thinking it when you see little baby bald Keanu Reeves going, oh pulling tubes at them. True.
SPEAKER_02Can't speak to it.
SPEAKER_01Do the Matrix count as horror enough that we could do the Matrix movies?
SPEAKER_03I think we could justify it, but not in the first of like. We'd have to do a sci-fi month or two before that, and then we could justify it.
SPEAKER_01I love that, and you just being in New York, some motherfuckers always die.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the sirens are unavoidable. I am burning up. I've turned everything off, so there's no air conditioning or fans. I've limited the noise as much as I can. I think there's a motorcycle one by earlier that got captured.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there was, but it sounded like a deathly groan in the background. It sounded absolutely horrifying. Horrible. But at least it shows in New York City, at least your police are responsive. See if you phone up for like a violent crime in Glasgow, what they say is they go, oh well, we have to wait for the violent crime to be over, so the police officer's gonna come in.
SPEAKER_03Oh, that's crazy. Are you serious?
SPEAKER_01See if someone has a gun.
SPEAKER_03They don't respond fast here either, most of the time, but yeah, at least they are hustling when when they are hustling.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but see if there's like a gun thing, which is slightly like more frequent than it used to be, because obviously there are like 3D printers and shit, people find workarounds. The police won't come because they're like, oh, we might get shot. We have to wait until the perpetrator's away for a bit and then we'll come. That's so funny.
SPEAKER_03Do they have guns where you're at? No. Not at all. Oh, yeah, well. I kind of see it, I guess.
SPEAKER_00But also, it is that's what I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_03But also that's their job. And I don't want cops to have guns. It makes I don't like cops, it makes me uncomfortable when I'm around them because they have a gun.
SPEAKER_01But guns are becoming more prevalent in the UK for police officers. Like in London, quite a few of them have it, but I think if it was in Manchester recently, but I I was I walk past police officers and I'm like, those motherfuckers are strapped.
SPEAKER_03Have you ever seen a police officer with an assault rifle?
SPEAKER_01In London, there are so many embassies that first time I went to London, I was like, this area is so busy, and there was a little narrow alleyway that led to a little like it was like a kind of see how sometimes buildings are built around like a little gardeny space.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I went down and it was a little gardening space and I sat down because it was like a public garden, and then it turned to I didn't know, but it was I was in like an embassy area, so a bunch of like SWAT team people came out and held assault rifles and just watched. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Alright.
SPEAKER_01And it was like, I highly doubt I'm here to assassinate the Venezuelan fucking embassy director. Yeah, Jesus Christ. I suppose that's how you would track them, wouldn't it? Strap the bomb to him. And like you can go up to them though. So it's like they're not too like they're not that attentive. If I had a gun, I probably could take them out. I think they're more verbally for like intimidation for the security theater. But it is wild being in a country where it's like no official person has a gun and then the first one you see has like fucking an assault rifle. I bet, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It's even it's weird for me, and I'm relatively used to it.
SPEAKER_01And it's like motherfucking, you're in an enclosed circle. If you shoot me, you're shooting the buildings behind me.
SPEAKER_00You're probably starring or if you decide to hurt me.
SPEAKER_02I don't care.
SPEAKER_00They're cops. Well, I think the embassies have like their own security guards here. I think it's like their own like government people.
SPEAKER_03No, they all suck. Anyone who wants to hold a gun for their job sucks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but it's also in London. So you're you're probably safest in your job with an assault rifle and a SWAT set on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's alright. Yeah, that's true. We got completely Do we want to talk about in the motel scene burning the stuff off of Mo's face?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's weird that Fire works to kill the cum, yet they live underground.
SPEAKER_03It's cold where they're at. And they keep them refrigerated a lot of the time.
SPEAKER_01They do, but the under underground isn't cold.
SPEAKER_03Well, it's like snowy where they find it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but it wasn't intentionally snowing. It's in New Jersey. It just happened to be snowing that day, and they thought that's good.
SPEAKER_02Shit.
SPEAKER_01Apparently it caused like their lighting to like blow up on the day because it was that wet.
SPEAKER_03I don't know then, man. That was what I was sticking to is that it was snowing. I thought they found it somewhere else.
SPEAKER_00No, it's just it just doesn't make any sense by fireworks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So like little boy, he's in he's in the plane, okay. And then the plane gets consumed by cum. So you do all planes just have a back door in them? I feel like that's not. Like it is not without like he did it, it wasn't locked.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it seems like he got into a cargo hold and then out through the cargo hold somehow, but I don't know why those would be linked like that.
SPEAKER_01You you still you have to keep that fucking locked up. Yeah, exactly. Unless every time that Mo flies, his entire belongings just shoot out at like 200 miles an hour.
SPEAKER_03Jesus.
SPEAKER_01Maybe that's why he always needs Mo. Because he's always losing his. Oh, cool. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Have you seen the Uncharted movie?
SPEAKER_03I've seen the movie. I've seen people play through all the first three games, but I don't remember every single. I remember like the train stuff stun. I don't remember every single bit of them.
SPEAKER_01Okay, but as a few more. I want to play four since I can get that on PC. Okay, but as someone who doesn't play the games regularly, does the movie stand by itself? No, not really.
SPEAKER_00It's Tom Holland, innit? He just he's not.
SPEAKER_03It's him it's him and Mark Walbert.
SPEAKER_00I don't know if it's- I wanted Bruce Campbell as Sully. Bruce Campbell would be good as Sully.
SPEAKER_01Nathan Fillion? He's already done Nathan Drake stuff before. I think he's maybe a little too old for it though.
SPEAKER_03He's too old for Nathan Drake. He could have maybe pulled off Sully as From what I hear, Mark Wahlberg was Sully because he was supposed to be Nathan Drake when they started the production of the movie, and then it took so long to make.
SPEAKER_00But that's even worse than Tom.
SPEAKER_02I agree.
SPEAKER_03Uh and I also Tom Holland doesn't Tom Holland would work in like three flashback scenes. But I don't think he works as the guy.
SPEAKER_01But that's like Tom Holland's issue, is he's like uh he's in his late twenties and he still looks like he's like 15.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he really he doesn't sell it.
SPEAKER_01He can't he doesn't even really sell Spider-Man well, which is kinda fucked up considering he's supposed to be a teenager.
SPEAKER_03I really liked him in Homecoming. Homecoming I really like still, but yeah, I'm not totally sold on him now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but you said not totally sold as if we've not had him as Spider-Man for like six movies at this point.
SPEAKER_00I'm aware, I'm aware. No, I've got to get him for fucking even more this fucking movie. Do you rather have play Nathan Drake though?
SPEAKER_01Who would I Who can pull off like that? See, I know Studios, I guarantee a studio would love Ryan Ben.
SPEAKER_00Dylan O'Brien. No.
SPEAKER_03I think it needs to be like I feel like I'm adding in the fact that he likes to do his own stunts, so he would be good in that department.
SPEAKER_01The thing is, I feel like you have to have like an American playing Nathan Drake. I don't know why I feel like you just have it has to be. He is American. It's not like integral to his character, really. What motherfuckers want to do. No, but I just mean in general, if you're casting him.
SPEAKER_03I'm not following what your point is, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Wait, I'm talking about I'm narrowing down who it could be. Oh, I see.
SPEAKER_03You're not disagreeing with my point specifically. Okay, I understand. It has to be something. Because he's an idiot. And what are Americans known for?
SPEAKER_01They also do like to invade foreign lands and claim things.
SPEAKER_03That's true, and he does that all the time.
SPEAKER_01It's like his whole MO.
SPEAKER_03It really is, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I fuck with the walker coming from Uncharted next. Who I think like Nathan Fillion is just he's too good as a captain, but he's too old. And it pisses me off.
SPEAKER_03Really sucks, yeah. Cause if they made this in the 90s, like the late 90s, perfect.
SPEAKER_01Do you know going off of um Nathan Fillion? Actually, fuck it, what's his name, Superman?
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, he would be good. I don't remember his name offhand. But he he would be pretty good.
SPEAKER_01How have we forgotten Superman's name? Well, because I just David Corinth sweat. Motherfucker became an actor and he could have changed that and he decided not to.
SPEAKER_03But he did not. He didn't Aaron Reich would be good.
SPEAKER_01He's not too buff.
SPEAKER_03Hmm, uh, he kind of is a little too. Yeah. I see that. I wasn't thinking about that offhand.
SPEAKER_01I feel like he needs to be a little skinny fella, but he can't be. But he needs to be able to hold his own in a fight.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he has to seem like he's barely making it out of fights. Could you Evan Peters?
SPEAKER_01Oh, no. Evan Peters' entire MO is I'm going to play a weird freak that barely shows emotion, and that is it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's no, you're right. He's a sociopath. He's been he's an X-Men. Isn't he in um yeah, that's what I was gonna say, X-Men. He's more light in those.
SPEAKER_01Like he plays weird little freaks and then moans that he only plays weird little freaks and then immediately accepts weird little freak roles.
SPEAKER_03Or he does Yeah, he keeps playing them.
SPEAKER_01And then he does One Division where he plays Ralph Boner and signed off on that script. Horrific. Horrendous.
SPEAKER_00Hear me out for a second. Michael B. Jordan. Oh, you'd fuck he'd smash it. He'd kill it. Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, he would be so good. But is he too old? No, I think he's just on the cusp.
SPEAKER_03I think he is close to too old, but I think he would kill it. Not in not as a young one, but just as Nathan Drake, Michael B. Jordan, that would be rad.
SPEAKER_01The thing is, see to bring it back to horror, but only reason you think that is because that Sinners poster is 100% Nathan Drake. Him with the two scraps on him. Let me look at it again, yeah. Probably not wrong. That fucking Sinners poster of him with like the kind of wrapped t-shirt and the gun holster. Oh, it so is, yeah. Look at him though. Oh man, that would have fucking ruled. That's such a bad poster for Sinners as well. It isn't.
SPEAKER_03It is a really bad poster.
SPEAKER_01But to get it back to cum, we're we're far away from cum. We're talking about Michael B. Jones.
SPEAKER_03Always get back to cum.
SPEAKER_01Michael B. Cumin.
SPEAKER_03But he probably, maybe not right now.
SPEAKER_01Why not right now? What time's it? He lives in America. What time's it for you? Yeah, 9 20. Could be coming right now. Probably coming right now. I don't think he's signing up for anything. Michael B. Cumin. Michael B. Cumin. See, that's what he should have changed his name to, and he became a Hollywood star.
SPEAKER_03Where are we at now?
SPEAKER_01We're after the motel scene. The little boy he escapes the cum plane and then immediately runs to the cum base.
SPEAKER_03And then he traps himself in a tank, right? Is this pretty soon? Or does he run around a bit first?
SPEAKER_01He runs about a little bit and he finds the old dried cum and he's like, the cum's dying. Which doesn't go anywhere. Which is a big mound of dried cum. He climbs into the cum tube, which is the stupidest decision ever, because it's the tube for the cum factory.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's so funny when they lock him in there. And it also they don't put the latches on it. So it's not locked. He just physically can't open it.
SPEAKER_01And it's why, why, why, like the second you see that that's the cum factory, and there's all the I'm gonna keep calling them cummies, even though it disgusts me. There's so many cummies everywhere. Why wouldn't you just turn around? That's a great question.
SPEAKER_00He's not saving the day. The fuck's he gonna do?
SPEAKER_02He thinks he is. He's part of the crew.
SPEAKER_03He thinks he's he thinks he's a main character.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but he's really uh inconsequential with this entire movie. If I get it adds someone for Mo to save.
SPEAKER_03I like the kids in the blob a lot more.
SPEAKER_01I guess we'll get to that when we get to the blob.
SPEAKER_03We will. I'll I'll make sure we watch the blob sooner than later. Frank Darabont did that.
SPEAKER_01Uh I'm unfamiliar.
SPEAKER_03He also wrote Shawshank Redemption, he wrote the first season of The Walking Dead, and I think directed. Pretty sure directed. Uh he wrote The Green Mile. Bunch of stuff. Some other horror things that I'll look up. What was that?
SPEAKER_01See, we can hit four horrors. We can we can do that, even if he's just a writer. We're not doing The Walking Dead, the fuck am I getting this?
SPEAKER_03No, I'm fine not doing The Walking Dead. That's awesome. Oh, The Mist. He wrote The Mist.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like the The Mist is fun.
SPEAKER_00He's a big Stephen King fan, it seems.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and he did Dream Warriors. See, but the thing is, could we do Dream Warriors without doing Gravel Fri?
SPEAKER_03Everyone knows Dream was We can't do that with every horror franchise, like we're doing just completely out of order.
SPEAKER_02Why not? Why not? Alright, sure.
SPEAKER_01Who in their life likes a horror podcast and hasn't seen a nightmare on Elm Street 1 and 2?
SPEAKER_03Very true. Very true.
SPEAKER_01Unless you're deeply homophobic, you ha is when you wouldn't have seen a nightmare on the 2.
SPEAKER_03I didn't even get any of those undertones when I watched 2.
SPEAKER_01See, do you the funny thing? You see, I I've seen the commentary for where it were going completely off for a nightmare on Elm Street 2, and the director's like Yeah, we were saying we're gonna keep this one short and we're doing tangents color now. Yeah, fuck it was it's the cum movie. There's not much to go on. But he's if the director was talking about oh, I didn't see when we were making it, I didn't feel like we were making a gay movie, and it's like you he met his PE teacher in a gay bar, and then his PE teacher got tied up to a shower pole and his ass whipped until he died.
SPEAKER_03Jesus.
SPEAKER_01And you're saying you didn't know there was gay undertones to your own like what level like that. What level of repressed homosexuality do you have to be in life that you go uh you're writing a script about a gay teacher getting his ass whipped to death, and you're like, this this is completely heteronormative. I don't know what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_03That kind of guy, I guess. I don't really know what could possibly be going through his head that he doesn't realize what he's saying.
SPEAKER_01It's like the fucking with Tom Cruise in the closet all over again. But it's this one horror director.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Did he ever come back around to that? Chris, come.
SPEAKER_01We're on the come.
SPEAKER_03Alright. Alright, I'll come.
SPEAKER_01Come with me, Chris. God damn it. Mo. Mo, he's doing his his little invasion, he's Hitman styling. You were sharing it to others earlier. He's going in his own.
SPEAKER_03He puts on an outfit and then he's walking through an area where a lot of people don't notice him, and one guy clocks him and then immediately starts following him. Follows him behind a truck, and then gets yoinked, and his hat gets put on. Mo puts his hat on and then just keeps walking around, and it's just like hitman.
SPEAKER_01Dude, the most perplexing thing about this scene is why does Moe have two bombs?
SPEAKER_03Great question.
SPEAKER_01I just bombs to his ankle, which I feel like is the stupidest place to strap a bomb to yourself.
SPEAKER_02Why?
SPEAKER_01Because okay, see the accent say one accidentally goes off on your arm. You can st you can still move. If you take your legs out next to your other leg bomb.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Okay, I see that. I see the point you're making though.
SPEAKER_01And they're not inconspicuous either. It's a big blob of plastic explosive with a little beeper on it.
SPEAKER_02It's it's yeah.
SPEAKER_01He blows up the company and he steals the little boy again for the second time.
SPEAKER_02It's yeah. He keeps kidnapping this little boy.
SPEAKER_01My man Mo's got a little boy sense. You can just he can smell him out.
SPEAKER_03And it's not concerning anybody around him because they're too preoccupied.
SPEAKER_01But George, the most concerning thing about this is okay, so he kidnaps the little boy from the cum monsters for the second time. And then directly drives to a paedophile military base that he knows the people in.
SPEAKER_03It feels like 28 days later. When the military shows up. And they're really shitty.
SPEAKER_01So is this Christopher Eccleson be like before? Like he loses weight in the apocalypse in 28 days later.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
SPEAKER_01And it's like it's such a weird detour, because it from the commentary, it sounds like that Larry Cohen seems to be a vet, like it seems like he served in the military. So why is our first like proper viewing of the military in his films is Mo going up and going, You fucked that little girl, and I have the video type. You're now forced to help me.
SPEAKER_02It's they're not What was that?
SPEAKER_03I guess not a good it's not a good No, no, it's not any sort of PR.
SPEAKER_01And it's like it's not like he's anti like the guy, because he loves the police clearly. He's a big he's a big police guy.
SPEAKER_03He never represents anyone too competently though.
SPEAKER_01No, but I hope aside from Mo, when have we ever had anyone competent in any of these films?
SPEAKER_02That's so true.
SPEAKER_01And even then, Mo is designed to look like a fucking idiot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But so he he recruits.
SPEAKER_03It's in such a weird way where he acts like he is deliberately doing it, and he makes decisions that make it seem like he's smarter than he acts. But then he also just acts like someone who is that smart or that stupid.
SPEAKER_01He walks into the cum base with bombs on his ankle.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So he recruits his little pedo team, and he's like, okay, he does little pedo team, join me and this little 10-year-old boy to go fight the cum monster. And Chris, see when you were watching us, it's not just me. Those guns don't have any ammunition in them.
SPEAKER_03I did not clock it at all. I'll have to look now. But see, you're much. Well, I'm seeing a Tommy gun that he's holding. I'm seeing two Tommy guns with let's see.
SPEAKER_01With no drum mags?
SPEAKER_03No, it's so dark I can't tell. And I'm all the TV's at an angle from me right now.
SPEAKER_01Chris is a fucking drum.
SPEAKER_03I'm not seeing any drum mags. I'm not seeing any fucking drum mags today. Oh that's the dust.
SPEAKER_01They sound like a bomb is about to go off.
SPEAKER_03They've got stick magazines in though.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but what one ruler clip is not gonna do you if you're attacking an entire base. An atomy gun.
SPEAKER_03But you can carry more stick magazines. You can't carry a lot of drum mags.
SPEAKER_01How many how many of these companies is he taking on? He's got like ask myself that every day on his entire belt. And even every single time.
SPEAKER_03He's very disappointed that he doesn't get to murder more people.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, it didn't really take too much effort. That was like that was the end of the film.
SPEAKER_03To kill everyone in the base that they first invade. And they all like get stuff murdered.
SPEAKER_01But it's like But we really didn't pose much of a threat. There was one factory, and then we just shot them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Crisis averted.
SPEAKER_03Kinda. It's too slow. It's not. Even when it's attacking two of our main characters, uh the lady and the kid, because I don't remember either of their names. I just remember Mo. Uh, they're just hopping from barrel to barrel and they're fine.
SPEAKER_01I think they blow it up, I think I think it becomes flammable.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that feels like a the thing thing.
SPEAKER_01The thing thing?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the thing thing.
SPEAKER_01The thing thing from the thing or the thing thing from the thing?
SPEAKER_03The thing thing from the thing. Not the thing. The thing, the thing.
SPEAKER_01So we we we they blow up the base and he's like, Don't worry, little pedo team, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tell anyone that you that you've performed statutory rape. Which doesn't seem like a good heroic moment for Mo, the now owner of this little ten-year-old boy. So we we're doing like see this is what's fun because that feels like the ending. But then we get the news broadcast where we're like, hey, we've saved the day. It's very uh you've seen Little Shop of Horrors, haven't you?
SPEAKER_02I have, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like see when he shows up with Audrey to the little news station.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's very similar to that.
SPEAKER_00It was a resemblance.
SPEAKER_03Fuck you see chocolate that was later, that was like 87 or so, right?
SPEAKER_01Maybe I'm I could not tell you the exact date on fucking Low Shop of Horrors. I've seen it, but I the exact date lost to me.
SPEAKER_0286. A year after this.
SPEAKER_01Low Shop of Horrors feels timeless, but I think it's because it's like a remake of like a 60s movie, which is a remake of like a stage play, which is now again a stage play.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But And the the movie feels kind of like a play as well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Banging musical though.
SPEAKER_01So I love fucking see everyone's voice in that everyone has such a good voice in that movie.
SPEAKER_03I don't recall everyone's voices specifically.
SPEAKER_01We'll get to we should do Little Shop of Horizons. Just the main voice.
SPEAKER_03The main theme song. Yeah, that'd be a good one.
SPEAKER_01No, I'm not meaning singing voice, I'm meaning everyone's talking voice.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, I don't remember that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Whisper voice.
SPEAKER_02Interesting.
SPEAKER_01Everyone just sounds great. But okay, so news broadcast, Chocolate Chip Charlie shows back and he's like, We did it, guys. After he fucked off and did absolutely nothing to help anybody. See, this is the moment that I've seen before this movie, just due to fucking YouTube clips, and it's so disappointing because it's such a good effect. It's like it's kind of comical. Which I also chocolate chip Charlie's mouth stretch.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, it is. That sucks that you had that spoiled.
SPEAKER_01And it's like it's even on the fucking Blu-ray cover. And it's like that is one moment.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_02It is.
SPEAKER_01And it's the twist of like you bought the six cents Blu-ray, and it was just fucking Bruce Willis had a sign that said, I am actually dead.
SPEAKER_02It's holding a sign.
SPEAKER_01Or like you got an Empire Strikes Back DVD, and it was just like a family portrait of Darth Vader and Luke. You see, you just it's fucked up. Why would you include that? Like I gotta there's not too many people that are gonna be complaining, Oh, this stuff was ruined for me.
SPEAKER_03That's something I don't like about when they do a restoration. They make a trailer as if you've seen the movie before, and I think I get most people will have, but Why not make one with the new footage that's also to tease the movie?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but sometimes that fucks up because for Umbrella's restoration of Suicide Circle or Suicide Club, just Suicide Circle works better, but Suicide Club's catcher is fucking irrelevant. They remastered the original trailer in 4K, but the original trailer has clips that are not in the actual film. So when I saw the trailer, I went over including the shit that's not in the film.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you know it's a double-edged sword that can fuck you over. And it's like, how would you really take it? Because like if you're going to advertise the stuff, you can't just go, here's a puddle of cum. And here's look at this puddle of cum.
SPEAKER_03And look at what it does to people.
SPEAKER_00And here's Bo screaming at a big puddle of cum.
SPEAKER_02That's a lot of cum.
SPEAKER_01So Mo he has his action action hero moment. He electrocutes cum Charlie, which is added not a phrase, I thought I'd be fine.
SPEAKER_03No, cum is electroconducive.
SPEAKER_01He's clearly superimposed in, which is very funny because he's far too small for that room. I forgot to mention, I don't know if in the um original cut, but see the assault on the cum factory. See when Nicole was running away with a little boy from the cum? She's superimposed in, right?
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01Like it looks bad. Did you also have a second shot where she runs away again and it's the exact same superimposed shot but just mirrored?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01I was like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_03That that must be a weird thing in the arrow cut.
SPEAKER_01It's so bad because I watched it and I was like, that looks terrible. And then two minutes later, it was the exact same. It's like, why would you bother? It looked bad the first time.
SPEAKER_03It doesn't look good. They don't dwell on it. They're on like the bottom right of the screen and they run away immediately.
SPEAKER_01It's just don't have it. Like why are we running from the cover? Everyone else is fighting because just let them fight the cum. Just give the boy a gun.
SPEAKER_03Just let them fight the cum. Yeah, just give the boy a gun. I'm saying that all the time.
SPEAKER_01Nah, very American of you. But no, this is when this is when our little boy he doesn't get his gun, but he does get his um edgy revenge when they meet the distributor of the cum. And Mo's like, you're gonna eat my cum. And he's like This is crazy.
SPEAKER_03This is just a cum eating fetish.
SPEAKER_01He's like, I'm gonna force you to eat my cum right now. And they go, Okay, we're gonna eat your cum. And for some reason they decide to the the like the little boy's dressed like a fucking greaser in the corner. Like, yeah, I've seen a lot of things recently. So you know you got stuck in a cum chip. What do you mean? You did nothing.
SPEAKER_00You if Mo wasn't there, you would have died twice.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, these people are I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Her character specifically, I was frustrated with because she just doesn't feel like a person, really. I was hoping there was more of her in the the other cut.
SPEAKER_01Oh Nicole?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01There's more romance stuff with her, but it's weird because the way like I don't know how much of it was Larry's writing or how much of it was improv. But like the way Mo flirts, it's it's like, well, I'm your boss now, so you have to do it or you're fired, and it's playful, but it's also like really kind of rapey.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's harassment, you can't do that.
SPEAKER_01But like she's into it, so it's it's it's just a weird, it's a weird.
SPEAKER_03I don't like that either. That's I don't like a lot of her dynamic with him or um Paul Servino.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but p he's at least supposed to be a scumbag.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. But she's not pushing against him at all, she's just sort of along with whatever's happening.
SPEAKER_01It's such an incredible line where he's trying to flirt with Nicole, and then Mo comes in and he's like, Oh, do you want him to see the tape? And he's like, What what what? And he's like, Oh, he's got some old uh country tapes for me. I I love the oldies, and he's like, Yeah, evidently not the young yeah. Oh it's like there's there's little good moments of comedy in this, so it's would you classify this as a comedy horror? Or is it just a silly horror?
SPEAKER_03Uh it's hard with the 80s, isn't it? They sort of ride that line very well. This no, I don't think it's comedy. It's a very comedic movie, but it's not a comedy horror.
SPEAKER_01But it's not like it's not like a black comedy either.
SPEAKER_02No, it's not.
SPEAKER_01But it's also not straight faced. It's in a weird bubble.
SPEAKER_03It's in a really weird spot.
SPEAKER_01But like, It's Alive was also kinda like this, because it was stupid. But it wasn't funny.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it wasn't. I think it's just a horror movie from a long time ago. I think that's what it just winds up being.
SPEAKER_01But you get old horror movies that aren't funny.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I don't think they have to invalidate each other.
SPEAKER_01But what so what's why does this being old invalidate its comedy potential?
SPEAKER_03I don't think it does. I just don't think it's a comedy movie. I wouldn't recommend this to someone as a comedy movie. They live is like a comedy horror movie. This is not really a comedy horror movie.
SPEAKER_01Okay, but if someone said to you, I want a comedy horror. I've been thinking of watching the stuff. Would you say to them, yeah, it's good, or would you say, Oh, I wouldn't say that's a comedy?
SPEAKER_03I'd say let me think of something else for you, if that's what you're looking for specifically.
SPEAKER_01See, I think I would just tell them, go ahead. I think it's it's stupid, and I just don't think it's very laugh-out loud. I think Mo carries the humor.
SPEAKER_03He does. I don't think it's unfunny. I think it's very funny. But I think a lot of good movies are funny even though they're not comedies. It's just good writing. A good drama should have a lot of good jokes in it, in my opinion. Most.
SPEAKER_01Not all of them, but I suppose uh as I was watching the L or Fight Club, there's good humor in it. Not a comedy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_02And that but just getting to the broadcast, right?
SPEAKER_01No, we talked about the broadcast, I talked about Charlie. No, you did, you did. Alright, so we're we talked about the cum eating scene. Yeah, he forces them to eat the cum and he's like, don't worry, it's just Haggandas. I suppose it's a little funny reference to them actually eating Haggandas on set. But we see there's a secret underground drug ring of the market.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we see the the black market, the stuff market.
SPEAKER_01The cum market.
SPEAKER_00The cum market.
SPEAKER_01But see that is such a good setup for a sequel.
SPEAKER_02It just doesn't and it's like this isn't one of those movies would be fun.
SPEAKER_01But like, see a sequel of this was made, even if it was bad, I don't think it would like hinder this.
SPEAKER_02I'd still like it.
SPEAKER_01Because it's like this isn't this isn't a very like, this isn't a bad movie. It's also not a great movie. So even if you made a bad follow-up, it wouldn't it would still just be fun. It's not a historic movie, it's just a little gem. Do you think you would ever get like a a recoil nowadays of this stuff?
SPEAKER_03No, I'd expect the blob first. But what I could see is someone doing like the blob and the thing and the stuff. Like a bunch of different studios starting to do weird amorphous blob monsters.
SPEAKER_01See, now that Larry's past though, I wonder who has the rights to this. Because I feel like a studio like Zet going back and seeing all we have the stuff and seeing that like weird, socially conscious, like body horror movies are in style. Like a remake of this, probably do pretty well. I got it. Especially with the marketing nowadays, you could get fucking TikTokers eating the stuff, and you could send the stuff out to people. Because that's what Larry Conan wanted to do. He wanted to have the stuff as a yogurt on sale for a week and then do like an ARG thing where he releases a thing talking about how it's actually bad for you. But I'd imagine it's cool, but can you imagine? Yeah, no, that would not go down at all. But the stuff? Good movie? Where do you have it in your ranking? That's the real question. It's at the top of the list.
SPEAKER_03I I think I was a little disappointed thinking there was a better version I couldn't watch. But now knowing it is what it is. Yeah, I think it is the best of his movies. It's the most coherent. God told me to comes after, then Q, and then It's Alive. Of what we've seen.
SPEAKER_01See, I'm the same with you, but It's Alive, Q kinda. I feel like I enjoy It's Alive more.
SPEAKER_03Interesting. I did really like Q, but I can acknowledge that it's not. It doesn't work as a movie, really.
SPEAKER_01I think it's just my boy Michael, which makes me feel bad because I like him so much in this, but he just ruins Q for me.
SPEAKER_03I'm so glad you liked him in this. Because I I think he's fun in Q, but I agree that he he adds to what I would say is like a theater vibe of Q, which it doesn't really feel like a cohesive narrative or structured thematically. It just sort of feels like people doing things that they want to do.
SPEAKER_01I think uh the problem is with this, okay, if Michael comes on set for the stuff and he goes, I want my character to act different, he's the main focus, so it changes the vibe of the entire movie, but he's not the only main protagonist of Q. So if he acts different to all the other leads, he seems strange.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, very true.
SPEAKER_01Like if everyone was wrote like Michael's character in Q, then it would be a campy film. But Q's not really campy, it takes itself too seriously to be campy, it's just a bit dumb.
SPEAKER_03And yeah, and the the serious stuff does fall flat by the end of it.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think the best parts of Q is when Michael's at the police station with like Powell and that. Because there was like a balance of it's comedy, but it's serious, and it kind of works. But then when you're getting the fully serious scenes and then him being like in a comedy scene, it's just it's a weird it's a weird vibe.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But anyway.
SPEAKER_03It's a good energy. I like that we are choosing these movies that feel more tactile.
SPEAKER_01How do you mean by tactile?
SPEAKER_03Uh just I like dipping into older horror movies because they don't. I feel like um even if they're not playing with the color palettes deliberately, the colors are more interesting a lot of the time, or they just have a different feeling. Even if it's not intentional or fully a success and achievement, a lot of things just feel more similar nowadays.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think it's like it's the more naturalistic acting that people have nowadays, because now movies and performances and it kind of get based on how realistic they feel, which wasn't the case now. So if everything's trying to feel realistic, it all just feels like a hodgepodge of boring. Yeah. It's like you can colour grade an explosion to be these big pink purple flashes, and it will look cool, but it's not realistic. So if you go to the fucking the Oscars with your big purple explosions, we're gonna go ahead.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's not gonna look as good as if you staged it somehow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and it it's see this is I feel like his movies get bigger and bigger. People keep going for these more bigger and bigger, but then but then it's all just it's everyone's trying too hard. Larry Corn is trying too hard, he's rewriting shit on the day.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he's just doing his shit, man.
SPEAKER_01It's like even if you go to the indie scene, people aren't people are spending like eight years in film school perspecting one script. Because they're like, this is probably the only movie I get to make. And they're making these weird art house masterpieces and I'm fucking off. Larry Conan's like, I've got 20 pounds and some friends.
SPEAKER_03Larry Cohen reminds me of John Carpenter a lot.
SPEAKER_01But John Carpenter, he he at least gets the acclaim for it. Like he could have like a big studio budget if he really wanted to, as you see in like the thing.
SPEAKER_03That's true. Yeah, he likes he prefers making them the way he made them. But he I would say he also puts a little bit more into his movies because he's doing the um the music as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but also isn't he just like making music? Isn't that just his vibe? Yeah. And it's a weird way.
SPEAKER_03He scores his movies as he just watches them. I've probably said this before. He watches them and just plays guitar while he's watching them.
SPEAKER_01And it's like he didn't really he didn't put his whole carp and see into Halloween buried really, who goes ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, and then loops.
SPEAKER_03I guess not, but that's part of John Carpenter to me is that he's That's just part of his vibe to me. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I'm not saying it's bad, but I like the Halloween theme, but I'm saying like he wasn't working on that for weeks, was he really?
SPEAKER_03He's not James Cameron, he's not like tinkering over every little detail to make sure it's perfect. He he does a thing and he goes, Yeah, I think that fits. But it also makes a really good movie. And it makes them feel interesting because when you do that, you allow a lot more space for the people who work on your crew and on the set to have their own little moments of their voice coming through. Which you don't notice as being from a person specifically, but it gives it more character.
SPEAKER_01Okay, but say Larry Cohn, he tried to make his own soundtracks, they're probably not gonna sound as good as his like four out of four soundtracks he's done right now.
SPEAKER_02True. No, no.
SPEAKER_01But even on the stuff is never enough jingle, it's so good. It's been looking.
SPEAKER_03It's so fucking good, dude.
SPEAKER_01I wish in Tomodachi you could still put little songs and have my little guy singing it all the time. I found in Tomodachi, this is a Tomodachi update. I suppose if anyone listen, no, no one listens to the end of these. But Cthulhu likes the stuff. Cthulhu is the only person that likes the stuff on my island.
SPEAKER_02Oh shit.
SPEAKER_01Which is very funny. It's like the most is the least humanoid person I have likes the stuff.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no one else wants it.
SPEAKER_01No, everyone thinks it's horrid.
SPEAKER_02That's goofy.
SPEAKER_01Maybe I just have smart means. Maybe, maybe. But you the end of Larry Cohn, which is a bit of a shame.
SPEAKER_03It is. There's enough that we could come back to we could do another two it's alive movies at least.
SPEAKER_01Two it's alive.
SPEAKER_00Special effect. I suppose with both thrillers. We could we could squeeze thrillers in.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean we could stretch it, but there's also There's at least one other I'm trying to think of.
SPEAKER_01Let me look at his Discord isn't being friendly with me today, I don't believe.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no worries. Right, ambulance is kind of a thriller.
SPEAKER_02What is Deadly Illudin?
SPEAKER_03Mystery Thriller. Okay, so it does have a lot of thrillers. Return to Salem's Lot. We'll have done Salem's Lot by the time that comes around.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so you do Return to Salem's Lot, you do Special Effects, is the one I really want to see. It's probably it's Alive 2.
SPEAKER_03Because it's alive 3, probably, right? So we can see Michael Moriarty.
SPEAKER_01Also basically, if we want to go back to Michael Moriarty, then we would have to.
SPEAKER_03Well, we we'd be doing Return to Salem's Lot also, to be fair.
SPEAKER_01Maybe we'll I'll check once once we're done, once we've stopped this recording, I'll look up Michael Moriarty and see if he's done any other fun little horrors. Maybe we maybe we have a Moriarty month.
SPEAKER_03That'd be fun. Yeah, I like Moriarty.
SPEAKER_01He did a Masters of Horror episode. No, we're not we're not going specifically. Do you know how hard that's gonna be to title? That's very true. Masters of Horror Season 3, Episode 2, title yeah. But yeah, this is the end.
SPEAKER_00We have John Copley coming.
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