UV31 - The Thing (1982)

Join two entities masquerading as Chris and Charlie as they sow distrust, set each other on fire, and discuss... plane crashes?

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Well let's let's jump to I guess then. Welcome and see you. Oh my god, I don't know. Uh I'm still getting it. How you doing? How you doing? I'll check in. Oh I'm I've been doing fuck all but Little Batman. Fair. Oh I must have been. I've got like seven hours on it? Hell yeah. That's not bad. I really want to play more James Bond, but I have a six and a half hour flight and a two and a half hour bus ride coming up, so good time. Six and a half hours from New York to Ireland's pretty fucking good. That's what I was thinking, right? Let me double check that that's because anytime I look up flights to America, it's like 10, 12 hours. But the thing is the time change. So we're leaving at 10 p.m. and we're getting there at 10 a.m. But it's I think a six hour flight. That's fucked up. Yeah, I don't like that. Something about that is wrong to me. I think honestly, I would just go for a nap. So it feels like you've just had a full sleep, but it's been a bit shit. Uh I mean you're right. I should I should get some dramamine and just sleep through it and get some like in-flight whiskey. Because it's not gonna be comfortable. It's not, but your your flights are a lot better than our flights. Oh really? Yeah, you give the little on-flight entertainment things. We don't get that. Oh shit. I'm bringing my Steam Deck. That's gonna be my entertainment. I'm deciding if I want to try Persona, if I want to try Baldur's Gate 3, if I want to try getting Dragon Quest 11. Or if I just want to fucking listen to uh like a Stephen King audiobook on the flight while I'm playing some shitty game that doesn't require story attention. See what I did on my fuck, what was the six hour flight I took? I think it was. I usually can't sleep on flights. Well, I can, but it will be in like 15-minute increments, and it takes about half an hour to get a single one of those increments, so it's just it doesn't it's pointless. Yeah, that sucks. My favorite flight was man, I fucking I will get another VR headset because uh H3 VR2 was announced and I need to play that. But also. If I get one, I'd want to get a portable one, because using a VR headset to watch movies on a plane, fucking primo experience. Yeah, but you will look fucking insane. It doesn't matter, man, because you don't see anybody, you're not thinking about them. Let me tell you, I watched a Halloween movie on a plane, and I felt like Michael Myers was about to cut my throat the whole time. It was great. I felt like I had no spatial awareness. I felt like someone was sneaking up on me the entire time. No, but think about imagine being the air hostess, and like this random guy who reaches into his backpack in mid-flight and pulls out like a white brick. Puts it over his head. Yeah. He pulls out handles and starts controlling something you can't see. What is it? I would sprint down to the cargo hole to make sure there's not a robot down there. Oh no, what you do, okay, is you go to the the on-flight toilet without it on and come out with it on. Yeah. It's fucked up, dude. Oh. See the only like the only six hour flight, like usually because I'm going to Europe, it's only like three, four hours. One six hour flight I did was Tenerife, and I just downloaded like three movies. I watched The Matrix and Final Destination. Hell yeah. Yeah, movies are usually my go-to. Uh the thing is, I'm such an antsy person, and I engage my ADHD too much, so it's hard for me to just sit there and watch a movie on a plane. Yeah, me too, but you're forced. You can't not watch it. Yeah, you're not wrong. Especially with Final Decause it was my first ever flight. I was like, okay, I have to watch Final Destination on it. And then after that, I was like, okay, what can I watch that is easy but entertaining enough to keep me going? I have Kraken on my Steam Deck, so I might wind up watching that on the plane. I feel like Optimal. Optimal plane movie is a movie that you have already seen, but long enough ago that it will still surprise you when you watch it. That's probably like the Department would be a good plane movie. I've seen it, but not in a decade. Yeah, even just like the like old like horror card. Like if you were putting on a nightmare on Elm Street, you know everything that's gonna happen. But do you have the exact frame in your brain aside from the little points? No, aside from Johnny Depp and the ending, no. So that was a bad example for me because I think I've seen a nightmare on Elm Street enough that I could to tell you every single shot. Like Scream Scream would be a good one. Scream free, I think, is perfect for it. Because everyone knows what happens in Scream Free, but I guarantee no one could give you a beat-by-beat exactly what goes on in Scream Free. That's true, yeah. But what was the it no, because I thought that was like the the play one, but the play house. No, that's two. That's two with Timothy Oliphant, and he is like on a stage at the very end, with uh with Jerry O'Connell tied up to a cross. That's two. What the fuck is what is screen three's ending? Three is um the kid reveals that he's Sidney's brother. Well see if that would have been on the plane fucking shook. I'd have been like, oh my god, guys. Did you know that? Did you know she was adopted and she had a a birth brother? Or whatever. And the fucked up thing is if someone did that sitting next to me on a plane, despite the fact I have all the screens in front of me, I'd be like, oh my god, I couldn't believe it. It's just fucked up though, the the things that some people will watch. Because what is it how many people are on your flight? How many people are coming? Oh, in general? I don't know. That's a good question. No, what group your group? Oh, me and my dad. Okay, so there's gonna be one person sat next to one of you if it's a three-seating fan, and it's always some middle-aged man who's watching either like a police show episode from like the 1970s, or some like weird movie that contains far too much adult content to be watching in public on a plane. It's always one of those two. And then you'll pass by someone in the toilet who's watching an alone film. People love an Oland film on a plane. An alone film? Noland. Someone's always watching Memento or I can't say I've uh clocked that much. The only thing I remember is seeing someone watching Con Air on a bus. And I remember that because I looked at it and went, what the fuck is that? And then I found out what Conair was. Steve Bushemy and Nicolas Cage, come on. I know exactly. I was I was like, what is this? A John Cusack was popping up. He's trying to watch it, he looks over his shoulder. You're just incredulous. Yeah. He's no idea you're someone die, you're like, whoa. I haven't seen that one come. Well, because then I would look down and then I'd look back up, and like they're chasing each other on fire trucks. You know, like there's so much crazy shit in that movie. Yeah, I feel people on buses and coaches tend to have better viewing choices. I feel like there's always someone with an interesting movie on a coach, but you also don't want to like interrupt that person and be like, hey, I've been watching your movie for 15 minutes later. Well, I feel like on a bus they've usually picked the movie, whereas a plane they're usually picking it off the in-flight system. Yeah, but again, it doesn't work for me because UK things can get them. Yeah, interesting. Okay. We have no Wi-Fi, we have no This is Where You Are. You just have the clock and time. Oh, that's grim. Yeah, it is grim. I've never even had any good views on a plane aside from my first one. I woke up and I was like, what the fuck am I looking at? And someone's like, Oh, that was that's that's like um like the French mountains. I said that's beautiful. Oh and then I woke I woke up my girlfriend to shore, and then by the time she woke up, you couldn't see anything. Do you get scared of lights? Uh I don't like takeoff, but past that I'm okay. Okay. God damn it. I'm gonna have to close my windows because Yeah, it fucks me up too. And just like takeoff w until you get level, you mean? Or just take off. Um see from the second where your brain goes, hey, we're going really fucking fast right now, to when you start to steady. Okay. Because it's like you know you're going to go fast, and then you look out the window, and everyone just goes, phew, passing, oh shit. Yeah, but then I'm off the ground, and that's what freaks me the f fuck out. So until we're steady in the air, I keep imagining the wings falling off or something. But see, I I have I've seen enough stuff about plane crashes that I know if something goes wrong, I'm probably going to slowly coast to my death. Which I will accept that more than the fast, steep fall. True. That's true. Because then I can uh I can at least make I can have some acceptance of it. Yeah, what I always think about is, huh, who would I call right now if this plane started crashing? Who would I try to get in touch with? No, sir. Would I try to text? I know, that's what I think about then is would I even get through? How fucked up would that be? Should I not try? Because if I try and don't get through, that's way worse than just not trying. Well you could do is you could okay unlock your phone's password and then leave it on the notes app. And then leave little messages on the notes app. Yeah, that's the best you got. Alright, let me close the windows because I saw there was a kid yelling outside and I got caught up on my link. I'm taking my headset off. Alright. I'm back. Okay, furthering on from it, I was trying to think, okay, what would my if I if I only had time to write a small thing in my notes app and it was gonna be my last thing, what would I write? And for the first flight, it would probably be I probably shouldn't have watched Final Destination. Because I feel like that was a bad omen. Yeah. I have a book that I found at work that's about a plane crash, and I keep thinking about bringing that on the flight, and that seems like a bad idea. Do you see how that plane crash in India recently, like the quite bad one that was essentially the final destination opening? No, I didn't hear about that. No, that happened whilst I was on the flight watching Final Destination. Yo, that sucks. You know, Final Destination is based on a real flight that happened in real life, and they used some footage from it in the movie. See, that's awesome. Yeah, it's kind of cursed in a cool way. I feel like like everything like that's kind of like morbid like that, it's cursed in a cool way. Like a morbid coincidence is always kinda sick. Yeah, that's true. This is there's no way to tie this into the thing. There's not even a plane in the thing. Which is funny. Because the motherfuckers are in Antarctica. So there should have been a plane involved at some point in time. Well, this is where we can tie it in. So we'll go welcome to Uncanny, welcome to the Uncanny Valley. Well, let me start that again. Let me Bop bop pause. Beep. Welcome to the Uncanny Valley. Today we're talking about the thing from 1982, directed by John Carpenter. So we can tie that in by saying there's no plane here because they probably got left alone for the season. Which do you know about the the tradition in Antarctica? No, most of my knowledge about Antarctica comes from like the weird conspiracy shit around it. Like how you're not allowed to be like Well, you're not allowed there without the UN's approval. Like all countries need to agree for you to be there, which is already a bit strange. It's a continent. And then like the whole you know how the Nazis were doing like trips out to Antarctica to try and find shit. Yeah. There was was there was like a subgroup of Nazis that were trying to start like their own Aryan religion that was like interlinked with like Roman Catholicism, and they were doing weird shit out there, but that's all been like classified and scrubbed. That's the shit I find very interesting. Weird. Okay. Yeah, I wasn't aware of that. Uh what I was talking about. Oh, continue. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, people start bad people try to start a religion about gods and the Antarctic. Uh yeah. What I was talking about was the Amundson Scott South Pole station, which is where uh they have these researchers at a station in the South Pole, and you know, there's a period of, I believe, six months where there's no shipments, no travel in or out, because they are cut off by the weather. So the last plane leaves before that six month period, and then they watch the thing from another world, the thing, and the remake of the thing back to back to back. Oh, that's uh that's a bad time. Well, the first one I understand, but why are you why are you ruining it with the thing after the thing? I don't know. I was I wanted to talk to you about that too. Because the first two, great time. The last one, yeah, watch that in the middle, and maybe the whole thing is redeemed a bit more. I was gonna say, well, that's a prequel, so surely if you were gonna watch them, you would watch that as the middle one. Cause I think it just gets added on to the end of the tradition, is why it's the way it is. See, when you read that this happened, did they list the thing and then the thing? And you just got the thing and the thing mixed up with each other. No, they said the years. Aww. Yeah. I've heard they they watched The Shining also, because it's sort of a similar like I don't think the thing movies are the only ones. But I don't think there's any other movies, because it's weird, there's no other movies, despite there being like such a big, like influential movie for basically every horror filmmaker since it premiered. There's why is there not more Antarctic horror? That's a good question. Frankenstein Antarctica, but Thirty Days of Night is Alaska. Oh wait, is Frankenstein Alaska as well, maybe? Hmm. The new one? I haven't seen. No, the well from the book and from like everyone's Alaska? I don't know, it's not surely it's not Antarctica. Is it Antarctica? I it's I didn't think Frankenstein was in a snowy climate. But I haven't no, but you you've not have you not read Frankenstein Have you not seen the Tommy Lee Jones Frankenstein? Nope. Have you never interacted with the franchise Frankenstein? I've potentially seen I Frankenstein. What the fuck is I Frankenstein? It's the one about Aaron Eckhart, and he's like a he's a gargoyle, he's a sexy gargoyle man or something. And is he Dr. Frankenstein or is he? I know he's Frankenstein's monster, but he is a warden of a war between gargoyles and demons. I think. Have you maybe seen The Bride? I have not. That's got nothing to do with Frankenstein. I kinda want to watch The Bride, but I also didn't like Priscilla. So I'm not so sure. I I don't know. Priscilla Maggie Gillenhill, I thought Maggie Gillenhill's dick directorial debut was. Oh, that was Maggie Jill. Uh I thought it was Sophia Coppola for some reason, the bride. I forgot it was Maggie Gillenhill. See, the thing is with The Bride, it is it is cringe. It is like there is a lot of stuff in it that's painful. Like Suicide Squad, not not this Suicide, the OG one levels of oh my god, how did this get really but her actual directing ability is pretty half decent, and then there's like when you watch it, you go, Okay, there's clearly some uh interesting ideas here, but it should never have been written this way. See, that's the problem though, because she's a great actor, but like oh, she gets the worst of the cringe. She gets so if I did she write that and went hell yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna spend my time doing this. Do you have an example? Okay, I'll give you the rough like premise of the bride because it's focused on the bride of Frankenstein rather than Frankenstein, obviously. But it's like Mary Shelley herself is like uh her split personality, but she acts like um see those cringe joker compilations which like she's trying to be edgy and scary, and then she's shouting about like like really weird, like base level feminism stuff that really doesn't work with the narrative of the movie. Weird and then she's also maybe dead, but so so we went see this this very famous influential author. We're gonna make her an insane ghost zombie woman that just screams in Jesse Buckley's head. It just feels really disrespectful. Yeah, that's super odd. It is like a the feminine yeah, sure, make but we had that. We had feminist ride of Frankenstein, it was called Poor Things. It came out like a year before Yeah, poor Things rules too. Uh and it because everyone's so mean to Maggie Dillon, she did it looks interesting. It looks good if you watch it, it's good. And there are some good and well-made scenes she can direct, but it just should not have been that what she directed. You'll see what I mean if you watch it. You will not you'll not have a bad time watching it. Yeah, I'm curious about it now. Oh, I've seen Lisa Frankenstein. I saw that as a like a scream on scene at AMC. Oh shit, we get screen uh scream on scenes here as well. That's where I say a lot of shit, Ali. Shit, okay, they are definitely the same company then, Odeon and AMC if they're doing the same. You okay. Do you know what does have snow and is a Frankenstein movie? What? Edward Susserhands. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Oh see, see ends in the snow, and it's It's told by a narrator going back through the previous events of the film leading up to that moment. So it's very Frankenstein. Okay, I like how I I said it was set in like Either Antarctic and Alaska, and I didn't explain that whatsoever. The the framing device of Frankenstein is Dr. Frankenstein is being hunted by Frankenstein's monster, and he is in either the Antarctic or Alaska dying on a boat, retelling the events of the story to the people rescuing him. And then it climax. You should watch the Tommy Lee Jones Frankenstein. People say it's shit. I think it's very, very, very well. Okay. I didn't even know Tommy Lee Jones had a Frankenstein movie. Yeah, he's he's the m he doesn't look like the monster, he just looks like some bald cunt. Huh. Which makes it harder to believe when he's like, I'm a monster! And it's like, no, you're just bald Tommy Lee Jones. What do you mean? You're just like not the most handsome. That's all. You look like Tommy Lee Jones has been in a car accident, and that's like Are you sure he's in a Frankenstein movie? Because I'm not finding it. Bro is gone completely quiet. Are you there? Did you die? Oh no. Hold on. Hold on. So I'm looking at this Frankenstein. I'm gonna see what he's talking about. I don't know what's going on with him. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can. Okay. It's not. Is it maybe Robert De Niro? Who was it? What was this Frankenstein movie that I've seen? This is gonna fuck me up now that I've said this. Is it this one? One with James Mason from the 70s. 1994. It's like the 2000s. Robert De Niro and Kenneth Branna. That must be it. It's the Robert De Niro one. Apologies. I was getting him mixed up. But yeah, it just it just looks like Robert De Niro has been in a car accident. Like it's not he's not a monster in the slightest. Like he's got some scars. That sounds about right. That's funny. Okay, I'm looking at it now, his chest does look a bit fucked up. But as long as he wasn't going like sunbathing, you would just think that's a man that's like filled in a flight first. Let's see, I'm going through the trailer. Helena bottom carter's in it. That's wild. Yo, she's yeah, she's good. She's good in it. Who else is there? Yeah, he doesn't look crazy. Who's there was also a James McAvoy one, I'm sure that wasn't. James McAvoy was Victor Frankenstein. I think that was with Daniel Radcliffe. I think you're correct. I like how this has just turned into a Frankenstein episode. Somehow. Yeah, Daniel Radcliffe and James McAvoy, and it's about Igor, I'm pretty sure. Mark Gates is in it. Hold on, excuse me. Oh, but Max Landis wrote it. So yeah, I don't think people approve favorable. Yeah, 26% on Rotten to Miles. Yeah. I don't know. I had to watch all of them for high school because we did Frankenstein and English, and then I got moved to a bunch of all of them? Oh my god. No, because what happened is we read, I was in an English class, and okay, we're doing the screenplay that's an adaptation of the book. So he made us read the book and then made us read the screenplay, and then we watched the Robert De Niro movie, and then I m I next year I moved to a different English class, and they were like, okay, we're going to read young Frankenstein. Oh my god. But we're also going to read another version of Frankenstein to give it context of what Frankenstein's supposed to be. So I read both of those, and then we watched young Frankenstein and a different version of it as well at some point. Sounds exhausting. No, it was good. It was a fun time. I even stayed behind to watch the end of it. Because it got to the end of the day, and the English teacher was like, Well, I'm not playing the last half an hour in class tomorrow, so you're either staying behind to watch it or go home. I was like, I'm gonna watch it. Well, I've been here for like I'm not gonna just not finish it. Yeah. You need to know how it ends. I've only read it three times. Hell yeah. That's something you've not seen Young Frankenstein. I've seen Young Frankenstein. Oh you go, you know some Frankenstein. Yeah, I think I've seen Young Frankenstein on Broadway or on stage. No, but the movie with Big Willy Wonka. I've definitely also seen it, but I think I saw it on stage first. Trying to think. Arguably maybe the best Frankenstein movie, and it's got nothing to do with Frankenstein. It's really good. Well, it's got something to do, it's got nothing to do with a joke. Yeah, that's you know, it just isn't what I thought about when I was thinking of a Frankenstein adaptation initially. There's the 2009 kids' movie, Igor. What? Where there's a Frankenstein rabbit. Did I tell you my math teacher used to call me Igor? Stop. She liked um, like if she needed the lights off for a presentation, or if she was doing a presentation and then she wanted the lights to come on, she would just go, Igor, flip the switch and have me turn the lights. You can tell that's a math teacher and not an English teacher. Saying that. Because I feel like we just go, Oh, that's the servant. We don't go, oh, that's like a that's his slave that's supposed to like represent his um like disrespect for the. Oh, true, yeah. She's not analysing it whatsoever. I still feel like you can't go, hey, slave to one of your children, get the lights. No, she also like threw things at kids. Yeah, I feel like that's more of a I feel that's not that doesn't justify the name. What do you mean? Yeah, she like she would like throw a tissue box at a kid if he was getting an answer wrong on the on the whiteboard. You see the fucked up thing is C if he throw like threw his book back, you'd have gotten so much more shit. Yeah. True. You couldn't get away with that in a in a Glasgow. The kids would just throw shit back at you. You would end up with like a chair over your table. That's funny. No. Do you know how many fucking high school teachers I've seen crying? Just because they cannot deal with British children. No, that's very funny. I wouldn't. No, I get I get see here's the thing where people like I'd love to be a teacher. It's like, have you seen us? No, you would not like to be a teacher. You would fucking hate being a teacher. Yeah, kids suck. I don't want a kid. Like in in every high school, there's one or two teachers that people respect, and then everyone else gets the shit out of the stick. And that's because they're so mean. Because kids are mean, because they don't have boundaries yet. They haven't learned how to be kind to people. So the teachers have to be overly stern to get respect. No, no, no, no. The two that got respect were both English teachers. And the first one was the one that I said played Robert De Niro, and that's because he would just talk to you like a person and not as a teacher, so people fucked with him. And the other one just did not give a shit and would just play movies in his class so people liked him. No, the the one who everyone respected in my school was the crazy Czech guy. His name was Dr. Shusklevsky. He's got the fucking name to go with it. Oh my god. Yeah, and uh he was fucking creepy. You wouldn't want to talk to him one-on-one. No, there was one. Well, there was two creepy teachers we had. One was a nonce and got promptly fired. So that's but the other one clearly just didn't take his medication and would talk to himself in class. And then like one day someone made a reference to a McDonald's chicken nugget, and he didn't know what that was, and that became a thing. And then one day we went into Oh so weird. We went in and we were like, okay, we're not doing the lesson today. And we're like, okay, why? And he's like, because a lot of you haven't seen Alien, so I'm gonna put on Alien, but he put it on a projector to the left wall rather than the front of the class, so everyone sat turned at a 45-degree angle to watch Alien as he watched us watching Alien. He watched you watching Alien? He didn't turn himself. No, he was he was determined for the class to understand Alien. He didn't want to say it. It was, and it's like, oh fuck up, the kids in the class that give a fuck about Alien will have seen Alien, and the kids in the class that do not like Alien are not going to get won over by you staring at them talking to yourself. No, they don't want this. Nobody wants to associate traumatic memories from early development with the movie. Yeah, you shouldn't be doing this. He to be fair though, after he got fired for I think scaring everyone, um I did see him on a bus once and he looked much happier. Really? Interesting. Yeah, maybe kids were just fucking with him. So I think it was just he was driven to the point of insanity by being a teacher. Yep, that makes sense. This has spiraled so far. We've talked about Frankenstein for probably like 20 minutes now. Well, how many times have you seen the thing? I feel like this is gonna be a very casual one, because this isn't the first time either of us have seen this. It's not of but it's the first time in a long time. And if you count the first 45 minutes, this is the second time I have watched it in a week. There. Yeah, I've seen the first half hour of this three times now in the past week. But what's the that's the least interesting half hour of the movie? I know. It's just a man trying to kill a dog. It's I mean, it is interesting is a good word to use, because it's a great thing to open your movie on when you don't know what's happening. It's very curious. Like what the fuck is going on right here? When you know what's happening, yeah, it is less interesting of an opening compared to the rest of the movie. You're a lot more knowledgeable of this movie than I have. Did they state why America and Norway were both out there looking for shit? Or do we just research bases that happen to be out there and they stumble on something. Like they are counting are we counting the thing with canon? Not this the thing, but the other the thing. Yeah, I I think they do enough work in that to make it work in canon. Okay, so the Norwegian base and the other the thing. They're mostly there for the UFO, right? That's like they accidentally find it, but they're looking for something in that area at some point. Yeah, yeah, they do go out there to find whatever it is. Yeah, that's an interesting. Okay. That's why they're out there. But that can't be why the base exists. The base has to just be there, right? They can't have built that base for that expedition. I don't know, because by the time we're on the thing, not the thing, Norway has already dug out that entire like 30-foot drop of ice that spans like 500 meters each way. Hmm. Which makes you wonder how they got the the equipment out there to do such a thing in this movie, but the struggle in the prequel to dig that little block of alien ice out of the ice. Yeah, and what's What's interesting about the uh the book as well is in the book they accidentally blow the entire spaceship up. It's not like they're just able to get a little piece of it. It's they accidentally destroy everything, and then they still find the alien left over afterwards. Okay, can so you've read the book, yeah? I read the book a while ago. I refreshed myself a little bit before this. Is it confirmed that there's only one the thing out there? Because they're like, oh, it crawled out of the spaceship and it froze in the ice. Okay. That's that's the explanation we're giving as to why it's there. Yes, it's just it's just why is the spaceship so fucking big? Well, the for one little guy? One little dude. I don't remember where this theory comes from. This is my headcanon now. I like this theory. I think it's from 1982, but it might be from 2011. I got introduced to the thing right around when the 2011 one came out, so it's all a little muddy for me. Um I don't remember which one I watched first, to be honest. Probably the 82 one, because I've seen this one so many times. But the theory is that the thing is a creature that was captured on board the spaceship. The pilot and species of the pilot of the ship is totally different, and it was carrying a bunch of different types of creatures, but the thing is the only one that was able to survive the crash. Oh, and that caused the crash. So it's yeah, it probably got out and caused the crash. So it's alien is just it's just the movie Alien. Yeah, yeah, kinda, yeah. That's very exact that's funny. Origins of why the eggs are there on the ship. Well, that bugs me because in like Alien, it's the engineers' ship. So the engineers know what the xenomorphs are and what they do and how they act. So how the fuck did their ship get so overrun that they crash and there's an infestation of eggs everywhere? Yeah, that's one that sort of doesn't fully work as a prequel, which is weird because Ridley Scott made both of them. And they're like big boys. So they're they should have big alien babies. Not normal alien babies. Yeah, the the complications to the lore have confused it a lot. I like Alien, I like almost all of those movies, but it doesn't really link up when you try to make it click. Okay, so we've established this is well, I suppose in Alien, okay, we're going if we're going off Covenant lore, the thing that creates the xenomorph is like a weird goose off that if it infects the body, transforms the body into a xenomorph type creature. So it is also kind of the thing. Yeah, that's true. Ridley Scott spends it. Just a more specific the thing. Just to make the thing a black goo that makes a Venus monster rather than a person monster. Uh but I think that that makes the most sense, because if it was a spaceship full of the things, like they'd all survive. It doesn't make sense that just this one lived because it's so durable. You know, it's like a cockroach. But it well it can't be too durable because it freezes in the fucking ice and it dies by fire. It dies by fire, but the ice doesn't seem to kill it. It just seems to slow it to like an almost zero. I think I think it's more like see how in Mount Everest, if you're if you die up there, your body's preserved perfectly because of how cold it is. It's not quite like that though. It's it's that if everyone could be revived once they were found on Mount Everest. It seems like the movie purports that it won't die from the cold. No, because it they it's stated it's been there for they say thousands, but I mean this is the Norwegians guessing. Yeah, in the book it's like millions. Oh. So is that like the thing that caused the fucking extinction event? Oh, that's that's a fucking cool theory. 20 million years ago is in the book. Oh, that's that's not that's not that's about isn't the the theorized extinction event supposed to be in like New Zealand or Australia or something? It's like a big crater somewhere. You know, yep, that killed him. Well, I don't know. I just I know that everything was together when it happened. It was all Pangea, the one big continent. See, this would be cool if the franchise was able to expand and maybe explore some of these concepts. But unfortunately, we got the thing. I'm glad that we haven't gone forward. I was thinking about that. Because we would have to confirm if McCready was the thing or not, and I like that that's kind of forever gonna be. Technically, there's a video game that confirms that he was human, but I don't I don't accept that. No, I can't because like we follow McCready, there's no way I don't think McCready Okay, we'll talk about that then, but I don't think I think you could easily set this further forward. You just have it as like the US government did arrive to collect it, and the events of this whole thing have been classified because they're like fuck we're actually aliens that massacre people. Don't tell anything, we just don't have to know what happened to McCreedy. I don't see I don't think you have to explain it. Yeah, i if you just move past them. But I don't want old Kurt Russell in a sequel. As cool as it would be, don't get me wrong. I just don't want it for the sake of keeping this as such a unique just special thing. I don't want to weave it into a bigger narrative. But I feel like this thing stands on its like if you made us. I don't even agree with people when they say that for other franchises. You know, I I would get over it, but you hold this movie in very high esteem. And what people do is they just go, yeah, the shit, just don't we just ignore that. Yeah, that's true. The thing to talk about is we'll get into it later, but the thing that they talked about on the set of this movie, so it's not even really set in stone at all, is how much self-awareness do the permutations of the thing have. Oh, explain explain more. Something that they talk about in the commentary. Kurt Russell talks about asking John Carpenter how he knows that McCready isn't the thing, but just doesn't realize that he's the thing and is acting in his own most self-preservational instincts in the context that he understands. And John Carpenter goes, like, I guess you don't know that. You just think you're McCready. That's it. Uh see, I could see that because who's the the first transformation? You get he gets the big sticky hands. What characters that? That's you know the characters of another. Benning seems horrified at his hand when you first see him. Yeah, so there isn't the people that I get I I only watched part of the thing prequel, and then I ignored it and just turned. Off because it was a big CGI tentacle, and I was like, okay, this is it's just not what I'm looking for. I don't know. Do they do they try to expand that in any way there? No, they're more like horror antagonists in that one. They're more like they just immediately go dead-eyed, or in um there's a scene very late in the movie where they realize that uh the thing can't replicate dental fillings or um ear piercings. And Joel Edgerton has an ear piercing, and Mary Elizabeth Winstead notices that he doesn't have his piercing later on in the movie, and once she catches him and he realizes his face goes into like a nah, you got me. Like an evil Yeah, it's more horror antagonist stuff than oh, so bah it's not it's not interesting. Because like then, because I was gonna say, okay, well, how much of the thing creature itself is even like a conscious being? Is it like almost like those I keep going back to this fucking fungus that takes over ants? But the fungus doesn't have enough intelligence to be like, okay, I'm taking over the brain of this body and I'm coming back to spread it. It just does it by instinct. And it's super interesting. So I wonder how is it just like a natural reaction for this thing, or do you think the thing has consciousness to a degree? I don't know. Because the thing is that it there is, it does assimilate knowledge. There in the book, it is telepathic. It reads your mind. In um in this, we can at least infer that it learns from people and you know, it sabotages the blood test. It at the very end of the movie, once it's under the ground, it shoots a tentacle up, it grabs the plunger for the dynamite, and it also destroys two Molotov cocktails deliberately. So There's no telling whether that's an instinctual knowledge or uh more of a cognitive awareness, because the people it's assimilating understand that those explosives are dangerous to the thing. So once they get assimilated and become the thing, then they instinctively know that those things are dangerous to themselves and to eliminate them. You know, they may not be thinking actively, now there's weapons to destroy. Yeah, because like even take the dog, for example example in the beginning. They go, Oh yeah, the dog disgu it was disguised as a dog because people are more likely to trust it. But also, if it took over a dog and a dog's getting shot at by people and it sees another group of people that are typically friendly to it, it's probably gonna fucking run to that direction. Yeah, it just happened to get there. It didn't it just wandered around, also, it didn't deliberately go to the dog pen. They just said put it in the dog pen at some point. But that's so I wonder if then the thing knows about the American base from assimilating people from the Norwegian base that know of the location of the American base. That's the thing, because everyone knows at this base that there's one other base in range that you can get to. There's one other possible place you can humanly reach, and that's the American or the Norwegian base, respectively. Which I want to throw a little trivia in. Um, did you know that the Norwegian base they shoot at the end of the or at the start of the movie is they blow the base up at the end of the movie, and then they go back and they shoot that as the Norwegian base that they visit. Oh, that's so fun. That's weird because the weird shot, it does not look like the same base at all. No, it doesn't. It's really well done. And it's fucked because I was thinking there was after watching this, I watched I can't remember, I watched a few other films and I was like, it's so weird that back in the day when you shot a horror movie, you had so many establishing shots, and you always knew where things were in relation to other places. Like I could tell you the layout of the space, and you can't do that with most movies nowadays, and it's such a weird thing, I feel like we just don't have. Yeah, it makes things feel a lot less tactile, and it's I guess a symptom of green screens and probably COVID a little bit with productions, but losing the three dimensions of a space really sucks the life out of some things. Because in this cause the base, alright, it's like a weird, it's like an almost U-shape, yeah. And then it's like a break on the second curve, it's like an upside down U, and then it's the little room where we keep the doctor after he loses his shit, and then there's like a hill that's where McCready's little house is because I know he's an asshole and doesn't like it. Yeah, I love that he has a little Grinch Shack in the middle of nowhere. What okay, what is his job? He's a mechanic, I'm pretty sure. So why does everyone listen to him? Uh I think they just know he's level-headed. No, they don't. They go, fuck, you might be the thing. We try and kill him at one point. Well, that's that's later. That's after um That's after what's his face comes back and says I cut him loose because I owned his clothes. Knolls. That's another little issue I have with his film. Like, why would you trust him? Why would you trust that one person? To me at that point, it's just they're gonna believe whatever someone tells them, for the most part. Cause they do There were things that have that fretted me in this movie. Like one or two moments of people making dumb decisions. Like, Nall thinks he sees Gary being dragged by Doc or by um fucking What's his name? By Wilfred Broomley, uh, at the end of the movie, and then he just sort of quietly walks after him instead of saying anything to McCready, instead of getting weapons ready, he just looks and follows. But then McCready responds to the situation appropriately, or as he'd want him to. And I think it's really just demonstrating how a lot of different people would react in a situation like this. And the truth is that eight out of ten people would do whatever someone's telling them to do. One or two people would have the wherewithal to make their own decisions and realize that someone needs to play an active part in this to have it come out the best way it can. But the rest of the people are just gonna want comfort in knowing that a situation is under control. See, my is it do you have like a if this was going to happen, what your plan of action would be? No, I haven't thought about it much. Cause what I was thinking, see that scene, okay, where McCready and that they all go out in the snow to check on the the doctor who's lost his shit, and they're like, okay, all three of us are gonna go out and yours are all gonna sit in this room. At that moment, funny that scene. At that moment in time, they're all in a room together, and they all go, okay, we don't know who's the thing, and we all have guns. So why don't we all just sit in like a circle shape of the room and everyone have a weapon pointed towards them at all times? Because then no one could do anything without being hit. I think that's the best option. Yeah, and honestly, knowing that there's a case full of shotguns, yeah, arming everyone is the best option. Because at that point, uh because it's been so long, I didn't know who was the thing at that point, so I was like, okay, why aren't you pointing guns at these people? Anytime anyone in the room and everyone point a weapon, is like, what the f there's a cunt stood right next to you, you fucking idiot. What are you doing? The best scene of that is when McCready is uh out in the snow and says, Alright, I know I'm human and I know not all of you are the thing, because otherwise you would have killed me by now. It's such a good moment of just expressing how fucked the situation is. But even in that moment, even if I regardless if I was the thing or not, because I'd be too autistic not to state that, I'd be like, okay, but one of us could be the thing and then not kill you. So you don't think we're the thing? Well, that's really the question, right? Is if all these people could independently become the thing, didn't realize it, and keep playing along to stay alive. Like, could that happen? Could the end of this movie be two iterations of the thing that don't realize that they're sitting there together? Yeah, because the thing can assimilate multiple people at one time. Like it can be so at that point it's does it have a hive line between them? Yeah, is that like how it breeds? I don't know. Because the the I'll I'll circle back around to a thing I had an issue with what the doc was saying. But like, is there a version of this movie where they all got infected and all of them were just killing each other, going, fuck, I think they're the thing? Yeah, I don't know. And like, because that's the paranoia that the person died with, that's the prevalent thought in the thing's mind when it assimilates them. And it just acts instinctively on that thought. So what a stupid, stupid race to exist. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, like this. I do want to mention before we move on from it, just that one scene of finding uh Blair in the in the cabin. It's so funny. Kurt Russell goes up to him, opens a little hatch, and Blair has a noose that he's tied together, and he's going, It's alright, I'm better now. You should let me back. I'm good now, I'm all good. And there's a there's a noose segment right next to him that was not there before. My favorite laugh in the movie. To be fair, though, that's again to be dealtistic in me. I'd go, okay, think logically. He has been left in a base with not much resources with a monster. If he thinks people have abandoned him, he might be stuck there to die slowly. So maybe that was an option that he made for himself in case he ends up stuck. I wouldn't I wouldn't go, okay, he's insane. I would go, maybe he's smarter than all of us. No, what it says to me every time I watch this movie is he built the noose for himself and then got turned before he used it. Or do you think he didn't know he was turned, tried to use the noose, and then his neck just stretched and he went, ah. That's crazy. That's a fun theory. I like that. That'd be such a fun thing. I feel like if that was the case, we wouldn't have not put that visual in the movie. Yeah, because it's a very, very fun visual. That is so cool. Yeah, that's a great idea. But it's worth saying that that character in the book is um I believe he. I don't think it's out of place in the movie. I think it fits very much as like this guy knows they're fucked immediately. Before anyone else knows, he knows that they are all dead. But like knowing that in the book, there's a reason that he's so gung-ho. Because in the film canon, it's just the Norwegians not paying attention, but freezing. Yeah. And it's really fucking even the fact that when the thing escapes, it doesn't do it subtly in that fucking movie. It goes and fucking launches into the ceiling. And it's really what why is it so big? It's only a similar, it's only got one person. Such a dumb scene, and everyone's going-de-die-de-do-like all the Norwegians singing, and it's getting louder and louder. I've also seen that movie a few times. That movie gets worse every time I watch it. Yeah, and the storm's not hit at that point, so it's like, why haven't you just fucking left? Why are you still there? When there's a big blobby monster here trying to fucking eat you. Oh, they do try to leave. Did you get to the point where they try to take off in a helicopter? No. Oh yeah, no, I mean they do try to leave. Uh and then the thing is. The thing is on the helicopter and makes the helicopter crash for some reason. Okay, but I can tell you the exact point that I stopped watching it is when we were like, okay, we're going to look for the big monster. So we're all going to split up, and then one of the researchers is talking to his friend, and then a big like stem pokes out of his chest and goes, his friend goes, Okay, this is not I'm not listening, I'm not with this anymore. You should look up well two things. One to say the one thing I do like when we watch that movie is they recreate everything you see in the Norwegian base. I don't know if you watched enough to clue into that. I don't think so, but you see where the thing combines with one else's face and they burn that. You see where the axe gets put into the wall, you see the guy who cuts his own wrists open. Uh oh, you know, I'd start to notice that I was like, I was like, oh, this is like they've done it properly. Yeah, that's a cool version of or that's a cool element of the movie, and what you should look up is the test footage, because they did everything practically. All of the effects they made practically. I know, I it's so stupid. I know, and then they just won't release it because of fucking because of test audiences. Test audiences that it looks like a movie from the 80s. I don't understand because anytime you hear anything about any test audience, it's always the stupidest fucking people on planet Earth. It's so stupid. Did you hear what happened with Scream 7? Yeah, I think I told you it. Oh, you probably did. Yeah, you probably did. Oh, and it yeah, because the okay, who are the test audiences? Who are they? Because if it's studio execs, of course don't listen to them, we're fucking idiots, and we don't know what we're talking about. If it's random people off the street, don't listen to them, we're fucking idiots, we don't know what we're talking about. The story I heard is that the son of the executive who was working on the thing reboot came in while they were working on it and said, put CGI on this. Make this look like a modern movie. But the thing is you can put CGI on practical and it can look good. Yeah, that's the thing, is they just painted over. They didn't Jurassic Park is that. Yeah. And like, okay, even say you took away the CGI, there's still nothing like the scene where it breaks out of the ice is still stupid because it's still a big monster thing that we had to cover. And then the little stem that kills that researcher from under it's still just a little fucking stem, it's still not the point of the thing. Yeah, true. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a horror movie from 2011. It's not a the thing movie. There are things I like in it. I like they sort of recreate the blood scene. It's not as good, but it's it's pretty good. I would say it's pretty good. The later parts of that movie can be fun. Yeah. I don't know, like the second act I think is decent. The third act is not good. First act is kind of boring. The third act, they go to the spaceship. Oh, okay. See, that's interesting. Because that's what I was thinking when watching the thing, I was like, it'd be so interesting to see what is going on in that spaceship. The fact that they should act and then they don't treat it. Yeah, no, they they take a like a snow cat out to the spaceship and then the third act takes place in the spaceship. Does it at least look cool? I don't think I think it looks like nothing. It has design to it, but it's not uh it has like an aesthetic, I guess is the way to put it, but also there's n literally nothing. There's no controls that you can discern, there's no like airs. It's just hallways, kinda yeah, but that's the thing with alien spaceships, supposedly always make it hallways and like control pads and shit. Um it's like aliens wouldn't that's a human design. Aliens wouldn't have that. It's true. I maybe you'd like it. I don't know. There's stuff in the spaceship. I don't want to say everything, just in case I don't know. Like there's a an engine room they go to that seems cool. Uh I was gonna bring up something, but I don't know if you've seen it. And then you know already. You you know Project Hail Mary. Obviously. Oh, I don't know anything about Project Hell Mary. You don't? No, no, never mind. Don't tell me anything. Okay, well when you're watching it, think of what we're talking about now, and you'll go, oh, that's what he means by that was done in a correct way. And it's not what you it's not what you're thinking. But there's there's a point in it that I could bring up, and I would you'd be like, oh yeah, that's how you would do that. Interesting. And it's done well and it looks cool. Okay, but circling back to the thing that kind of annoyed me about the thing. What's the name of the doctor? You said Blair? Blair. No, no, no. Uh Blair is Wilfred Brimley. The doctor is the other rotund guy with the nose piercing. Huh? There's two fat guys in this movie. Who's the one that goes crazy and he's I'm gonna kill you all? He's not the doctor. Okay, boy. I was calling him the doctor to you, X, because I also mix them up sometimes. But he does the doctor stuff, he's doing the blood tests and the he's looking after the dogs. He's doing like sciencey stuff. But the other doctor is like the medical doctor. Oh, okay. I have the book before. I I get what you're saying, yeah. Okay, we're gonna do that. I don't think you're crazy, I'm just making sure we're on track so that no one comments. Does Blair not make a point where he's like any particle of the thing could be a thing at some point in this film? Kurt Russell says that later on. Because from what he from what Blair makes out to be is like any little cell of the thing could be the thing. Which are you telling me that especially the chair scene later on where he's sitting and he's gone and blood spraying everywhere. That the thing goop didn't get on everybody in that room. That's a great point, yeah. So it needs to be a substantial amount of thing goop. Well, I guess maybe the cells are dying very quickly in that situation. I I still feel like like that you should be infected in that one. Also, why okay, Cherson? See if you think one of them's a thing, why are you tying them up with other people? I don't know, that's so funny. It's even the suspense of it, that's why I imagine they did it. The guy that's screaming to get out of the chair, that's the other doctor, then the kind of spindly guy. No, that's that's like the head of the camera. There's more guys than you realize. Because in the book, there's like 30 guys. Yeah, I was thinking that when I watched it, like I feel like, see, when you watch the beginning of this movie, I don't think we see that many people die. I feel like like there's a lot more people at the start of this movie. Fuchs disappears. You know, the the short guy with the glasses with the beard? You barely see him. He talks to Kurt Russell a couple times in the middle of the movie. He's working on a new test. Yeah, I was watching this as we were speaking, and he's talking to McCready in the helicopter, and I'm like, who the fuck are you actually? I've seen you twice in the past week. This is the first time I really clocked. He just disappears. You see him working on a blood test, and then McCready says uh the the generator cuts, and then he runs into a room and says, Who's seen Fuchs? Fuchs is gone. And then they go out, he goes outside. This is when he goes outside with the other two guys, and they find his clothes burned in the snow. Yeah, did they ever explain how McCready's clothes end up burnt in the snow? No, they don't, which I like. I think Because that would that would add to that maybe none of them just know that they're a thing. Maybe he is a thing, he just has no idea. I think McCready is human. I'll say outright. Like I I think Kurt Russell is human. I like that read of the movie. Um I think Child's is the thing at the end of the movie. It just feels like it makes sense. Are we just talking about the the end? I suppose you kinda have to, don't you feel like who's who we can bounce back and around this? Okay. I don't think either's the thing. Yeah, I don't know, I go back and forth on shots. I feel like McFready does tend to get all of it. And then and see Chields is the thing. He would just kill him there. There's no point in him not doing it. I I don't think that's true because they both have a weapon at the end, and killing the the options are mutually assured destruction or they freeze. So if they freeze, the thing okay. It'll serve Yeah, but isn't McCready's plan just to have everyone die anyway? So surely at some point he's going to attack. True. Yeah, all died anyway, but all both wrong. You think McCready will just blow them both up after the end of the movie? I think even if he wanted to, he probably doesn't have the energy at this point. I don't think so. He says that. He says even if we have any surprises for each other, I don't think any of us is in in a state to do anything about it. Yeah, but then like he's putting an assumption on an alien that disguised itself as a husky and then let its face open into a flower and then like tickled dogs to death with acid. It's just a really line, isn't it? It's just a good line. It's a good line. But I feel like McCready isn't as smart as he lets himself on to be because his master plan from about halfway point of the movie is let's suicide bomb everybody. I don't think that's the dumbest idea. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like okay, so what? I'm either gonna freeze to death or burn to death, or maybe there's a chance I get out of here. So fuck everyone. See see see if I know I'm human and I can get out of here. I don't get I'm getting out. That's not my issue. No, because then you're No, he's smarter than you, is the thing. Cause then you're bringing evacuation to where the thing is. You're just bringing it Yeah, that's not my fault. That's not my issue. That is your fault. No, I'm gonna see that happen. I'm no, I'm moving to like a little remote island that has like no people that the thing will not give a fuck about. Oh my god. That is not my issue. I'm sure if I pick if the military picks us up and sees the state and sees the medical data, I'll be like, okay, some of us might be an alien, you're gonna have to put us in quarantine and do some tests. But at that point, that's no longer my my responsibility. I did my part. So if we're talking about McCready being the thing, there's a scene I want to mention that I didn't really clock before, which is when he when they all put Blair in the cabin alone. One of them leaves a bottle of vodka and McCready takes a swig of it. And then after he leaves, Blair looks at the vodka in a in a way that I don't know. It's just interesting. In the way that do you know about the the um the theory? It's not something John Carpenter had in mind, but the theory about Child's and the bottle at the end of the movie. I don't, but okay, what I could say to that is maybe Blair is saying, okay, but it's a highly flammable liquid. The thing probably wouldn't want to consume that. But would the thing know that's a flammable liquid? I don't know. That's what's cool about this movie. Uh but also it could be that John Carpenter went, we can get fucking wasted on set boys. I think that's what's cool about John Carpenter, is I feel like in most instances he didn't care enough to create an answer for a lot of things. But because he puts so much effort into everything around it, it just leaves this like not a hole, but like a space that people can fill with their own theories really well. And that goes for a few of his movies. I'd say for most, see the like great up for your interpretation movies where people make especially something like The Shining. Kubrick was not thinking of any of the shit that people are talking about while she was making The Shining. Yeah, I think most most of the time those movies end up being made like that by accident. They're happy accidents that just turn out very, very, very well. Yeah, yeah. I think that's accurate. Cause like how many how many people have made a single great movie and it have made fucking garbage for the rest of our career? Yeah, true. And it's so many people work on a movie. Oh, that's a if you're coming to Ireland, is Smirnoff a big vodka brand in um America? Or do you have like your own? No, Smirnoff is around a lot here. It's not because Smirnoff was like the vodka that everyone drinks in the UK, so it was very fun to see everyone getting wasted in Smurnoff. Interesting. I it's not the one, but it's definitely around here. I feel like Stoly is a big one here. The fuck's a Stolly? Oh yeah, there you go. I don't know. That's an American one, I guess. See uh see if you see like a 14-year-old drunk on the street in Glasgow, there's a good 80% chance it's because he's got one of those little half balls of smallness and he's swigging it straight. Did you get a chance to listen to the clip of the commentary I sent you? I did not, I did not at all. Okay. Oh, okay. It's just from when the the one head comes off the thing and turns into a spider, and Kurt Russell laughs for a solid like five seconds straight. He cackles. It's his favorite part of the movie. Does he give any insight as to why he finds that grotesque scene? He just thinks it's it's really funny and the way he reacts to it. And I think it's funny that he finds it so funny. I love it. Is it just Kurt Russell or is John Carpenter? It's Kurt Russell and John Carpenter. It's a commentary, I recommend it. Do they give anything that may be like slip up clues of what's going on? No. Well, they quite know. So talk about how they don't know. See, but Pitsy, that's what I mean. This is what I was talking about in that fucking uh schizophrenia movie. No, John, you made the movie. You do know. Just tell me you're not going to tell me. Don't be a dickhead. No, yeah, he's super coy about it. I wish he was less coy about it. See if he fucked up and made us by accident, of course he would be coy about it. Of course he wouldn't go. He just go, Yeah, I'm not telling you. You have to figure that one out now, don't you? Yeah. Oh. But he talks about how they had a few different ideas for the ending, too. He apparently Kurt Russell was suggesting that they just both blow each other up at the very end. And he was going, I can't do that. I can't have them both on fire at the end of my movie. Would have been cool. I would have liked it. Chris, your your your mic cut, and you just went that McFeady and Chris should blow each other in the end. Alright, I'll leave that in then. They'll blow each other up. Oh I didn't know John Carpenter was down like that. Uh but then apparently Kurt Russell suggested the ending that they have now. The studio suggested a couple different endings. One which had a helicopter come in to retrieve them. The one that uh John Carpenter hated that, so the one that he almost used was just cutting it right after McCready blows the thing up. Oh, that would have been awful. Yes. That would have been so anti-climatic. It would have been. Yeah. Is this like because is it's an 80s movie? Is there much like deleted or like assembly line footage that isn't part of the film? I don't remember. I haven't gone through the special features in a while, but when I did, it was mostly interviews and commentaries. There's a couple really good documentaries interviewing the cast like a few years on. That's not even one that has great trivia. It's just it's fun to watch the cast talk about working on this movie. Yeah, it must have been because I'd imagine this was such a heavy shit to do. It must have been so cold all the fucking time. That's the thing, it was just like these eight guys in the middle of nowhere getting drunk all the time, you know, building rapport. And he hired a few uh theater actors so they were used to sort of the lockdown setting. Okay, but okay, say you're you're signing on for a John Carpenter movie, and you hear it's gonna be like, do you know how long the shoot was for this? I'd imagine pretty long. Hmm, that's a great question. They definitely mentioned in the commentary, but I do not remember. Because if you're gonna be a side character in like Prince of Darkness or that, that's not worth it. Twelve weeks. But to sign on to it. Okay, 12 weeks isn't as bad as I thought it would be. I imagine they had a comment, like they were probably staying in a bit staying in the base, I'd imagine. They were, yeah. This is this is just a frat house for a bit, yeah. Oh, I yeah, and I don't remember God, I wish I had time to listen to the whole commentary again, because there is a good story on it about how they all almost died. Like taking a truck down uh a mountain, something like that. Like taking a truck down a mountain because the only place that they could get beer was down the mountain, something like that. Yeah, I'd imagine all those half bows or smurn rough probably didn't help her driving ability. No. Wait, was this filmed in Antarctica? That's a great question. I no, it can't have Alaska. Yeah. It's filmed in Alaska. Okay, I was gonna say because if it was Antarctica and it was one of those little ghost towns with fuck all people in it, you know there ain't no fucking drink driving rules going about there. This boy probably did not have to worry. And they did do a lot on universal sounds sound stages as well for the indoors. Rob Botton's botine. I don't know how to pronounce his name, I'll be honest. But the uh special effects designer worked a 57-week schedule. That's crazy. What like before it getting it all set up? Yeah, yeah. Like leading up to Well to be fair, it got his fucking flowers in the end, didn't it? Because it's like 40 years later and people are still like Yeah, you've not beat the thing in terms of because like even when I was watching The Blob a few weeks ago, it's known as being one of the best practical effects movies. It does it still doesn't touch the thing like in the slightest. How great is the the football player dying in that movie, by the way. Oh, anytime the blob cut the human store I could get the two the two scenes that stood out for me in the blob the most. The homeless man at the beginning melting in the hospital bed is fucking sick. Because it's it's the blob gore, but without pink blob covering it, you get to see all the the juicy bits. Yeah, it's and then my favorite one after that was that man getting sucked into the sink. Oh, that's good, yeah. The kid didn't get you. No, the kid is like a fucking he melted a kid. Okay, and my favorite death in the movie you did not catch. You didn't catch because it would have been one of your favorites, also. The th the blob comes out of the the sewer drain, right? And there's um there's a scientist in a hazmat suit right near it. He it comes out and it's like about to attack. He sees it and he goes, We're all going to hell tonight. He pulls out two grenades, the blob slams down on him, and you see the special effect of the tiniest little flash of light under the blob and a boop sound. It's so funny. The the useless sacrifice that man makes is my favorite part of that movie. To be he died, and to be fair, he wouldn't have felt the pain of the blob. No. That ended like it ended for him. He just saw white and it was it was over. Yeah, true. It's not like the man getting sucked down the sink who was just a foot and still screaming. Very true, very true. That guy was a hero of his own story. He didn't realize. See, now that's a question. Would you rather go against the blob or would you rather go against the thing? Shit. Uh the blob, because the blob is in mainland America and gets killed. The thing feels like it can't leave Antarctica. The blob would be a lot more painful, I'd imagine. The thing, if it gets you, you probably just it's just like you probably're not wrong. I still say the. But maybe your fingers get a bit longer than they should do. It probably doesn't feel nice. Or like you also a little bit. A good moment from the commentary. You know when Kurt Russell runs out and throws dynamite at the guy after the blood test scene? Yeah. He apparently was really shook by the dynamite. If you if you watch that scene back and you watch in the wide shot his reaction, he like throws himself up against the wall behind him and like looks around. He's very startled by the dynamite. So you need to wonder how, especially with like the flame effects, how no one got injured. It's a great question. Because he just throws dynamite. Not even that. We're setting rooms on fire that they are in Yeah. And no, I'll just get a fire extent. What do you mean? Just get the fire your your the the house is burning down? What do you mean? Oh, uh detail with the flamethrowers I wanted to mention for the blood test scene. I really love that. Because he has the torch on the whole time to keep testing the blood when he needs to use the flamethrower, there's no gas in it. Yeah, that was it was fun, but I was also like, McCready, you shouldn't know how to change the fire extinguisher. Fire extinguisher the the gas canisters of the flamethrower that you are planning to use the entire night. Yeah, very true. Also, is your choice to have the flamethrower in the beginning? That's like your favorite. How do you not know? It should be light. About 12 liters just came off of your back. How did you not feel that weight difference? Do we think that they're making oh, so I'm gonna tie in two thoughts together. I mentioned the bottle with Child's at the end. There's a theory that the bottle McCready hands him is full of gasoline, not alcohol. And when Chuck drinks, he proves that he's the thing. I don't Can you make a Molotov cocktail with just a bottle of vodka? I feel like you can, and it's not necessarily proof of anything. You don't need gasoline, right? Alcohol is flammable enough. You can make one with Bacardi. You put I feel like maybe no, cause sugar burns well, but I don't know if the process of trying to burn through that much sugar would slow down the effect of the explosion. Hmm, okay. No dude. But I feel like, okay, say if the thing does keep human memories though, if he drank it and it was gasoline, even if he was a thing, you'd probably go, oh what the fuck? Yeah, you know what? I agree with that. Like the instinct, yeah, like the self-preservation instinct. If all the things we're saying are true and it even if it, you know, would know it's the thing and it knows that it's putting on a show, that instinct would tell it that it needs to spit that out. Well, okay, say it was pure like ethanol from like disinfectant from uh from a medical kit. Yeah. But then you could also use the same logic that Blair used that on the creedy at the beginning. Right. Well, he was drinking so you could and everyone's drinking tomorrow, so you can't use that as a as a like you need to there needs to be one or what's it called? You need to change one thing in an experiment for it to make sense. What's the one variable? But everyone has not a change variable in that scenario. They don't give you that, yeah. Which is it's hard to tell if that's entirely deliberate or just a lack of I don't want to say lack of detail in a malicious way, just you know, they didn't meticulously wind detail through for you to follow, and because of that, it helps you feel a little unmoored and suspicious about everything. But if that was the intention, would John Carpenter not have had someone being tested with ethanol beforehand and that works? So when you see him drinking from a Smirnoff bottle later, you then have the wait, but is that Smirnoff? He definitely would. That's the thing about what we're talking about. I feel like anything that's intentional would be brought up in the movie, and anything that people are theorizing about is probably not something he thought about too much. Because for for his moments in the film, like it's clear like he's not just being completely ambiguous, because you get the McCready Burn stuff, so you're like, okay, it's even McCray. Or someone's framing the creed it, and you know where certain people are at certain times who go, okay, it has to be within a selection. It's like the thing with Scream. Like people say Scream works as such a good murder mystery because there is evidence that support and take away from things, but doesn't necessarily like nothing jumps a gun. It all makes logical sense. I agree. Um, and I was noting it's uh Gary, McCready, Fuchs, Doc, and Childs that talk about the blood test right before the blood test gets destroyed. So hypothetically, it would have to be one of those five. And Gary and Doc are the ones who have access to the blood tests, but none of the neither of them are the thing. They get they both get tested. It's um it's the the stoner, Palmer is the thing at this point. But does does Blair have access to the because they say only two people, but do they mean only two people were in that vicinity if Blair's away? Because if he's a scientist and he knows cell biology, it would make sense that he has access to the blood bags. Only Gary has the key. Yeah, but he says, okay, only I have it and I only give it to him. But does he mean only in the base, only he has ever had access, or would Blair have been able to get access using the key, but he's not currently with him, so it doesn't come to mind when he's listing possible suspects. Because it would make sense that Blair would have access to that, and we know he does become the thing at some point. But then Gary suggests that someone lifted the key off of him, and someone else says that's not possible, they're attached to your hip all the time. But clearly that was a lie. Yeah, I mean that's more than saying all of this is true, that's what I'm pointing out, is I like that they've offered so much conflicting information that something has to not be true. And it's just about discerning what's not true. Have you seen there's a guy on YouTube that does like can I guess the killer before the reveal videos? No. There's a guy that has a series like that, and I wonder if he hasn't seen the thing, how he would piece it. Because he gets like whiteboards out and shit and tries to mark stuff out. You should see he was so wrong about Twin Peaks. His Twin Peaks is so delusional during Twin Peaks. That's so funny. You're you're on it, you're talking about it, and he just does not, it does not pass by what he's talking about. That's hilarious. If someone say you got like a whiteboard and you went, okay, here's every single character, uh, and in next scene, uh roughly how long it's been, uh where the thing could be in relation and where characters could possibly be, if you could mark out because I feel like see if the Shining fans, the Shining fans would have done this the year the fucking film came out. Shining fans would come to you and go, Oh no, it's definitely this because it couldn't be this. Yeah, but do you know what the Shining Fans would do? They'd go, what you don't understand is there's people that are working with the thing, and there's actually there's two things, and the Norwegians are in on it, and it's about it's about a war from 1362 between two politics. That's what they would pull some bullshit out of Jesus Christ. I could see Knowles being the thing. You know, he cuts the line that McCready Knowles is the cook on the roller skates. But would the thing know how to roller skate? See if it doesn't take no not when he's roller skating. I mean later in the movie he cuts the line that McCready's against, and then he's one of the three guys that goes into the basement, but he's the one we don't see get killed. He just disappears. And presumably gets firebombed by McCready, regardless of if he's human or not. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, maybe he just disappears, uh loses his ability to talk and then gets burned alive. Okay, hypothetical new ending. What if Child and McCready turn to the snow and you see Noles slowly skating up on his roller skates? Love that. Horrifying ending. Terrifying. I really would be there would be something so much more ominous about someone roller skating in the snow just because that it doesn't work that way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it would be. You're not wrong, it's a good horror image. I wanted to mention there's a scene early on in the movie we have Knowles and Palmer laying down together. I think it's no, it's Childs and Palmer. Childs and Palmer laying down together, uh, and they're watching like a game show, and Palmer goes, I've seen this one already, and takes it out. And then he puts in a a VHS that sounds like luau music. It sounds like softcore porn that they're watching together. Well, I mean, it wouldn't be too untoward if a bunch of guys were stuck in the snow together to give them. I guess not, yeah. Just wanted to note it. Okay, so we we must not have a TV signal, okay, because there's no audio signals, also similar to the shining. Like the the the radio's completely cut off. Oh yeah. So that would mean someone has a VHS of game shows that they've already played multiple times and are still real like what's a triffing was an American game, because you don't get the chase, and there'd be something very funny about someone re-watching an episode of the chase that they know every answer to. Yeah, like who wants to be a millionaire or something. Just oh I love this one. Or maybe maybe someone just loses a lot of money in the game show very happy about it. Oh yeah, you're like watching them suffer. But they would still bring the question as to how this how he got halfway through that episode and went, wait, I've already seen this. You've got like three videotapes, of course. It's gonna happen so many times, yeah. Like okay, so you're going out to a base like this for like I'd imagine for months at a time. What movies would you bring? That's the thing. Would you want to bring movies that remind you of like summer? I feel like that would be too sad. I would want movies that are sad and cold. Well, if you're sad and cold and you're like, I'm sick of this shit. I don't want to watch a chipper. I don't want to watch like big fish. Well, I mean, that's kind of a sad movie. But you know, like a colorful, happy movie. Uh, I don't want to watch that and then it ends, and then you're still in Antarctica for four more months. See, I was I was gonna go a different route. I feel like I would bring inland a TV show, but if you're carrying videotapes, that's a lot of videotapes. Fuck, you're right. You were gonna say inland empire? I'd bring inland empire because no matter how many times I'd watch it, I'd still have no idea what the fuck's going on at any point in time. And I could watch it with every single individual member of the base, and it's three hours long, and I could go, what the fuck do you think that was supposed to mean at all? That's funny. It'd be good for like interpretive movies because you could have everyone make like a little a little note of what they thought the movie was about. Just watch primer 80 times. I've never seen Primer. That's alright. I don't know if you would like a primer. Give me a rundown on Primer. I don't even know what primer is. You don't know what Primer is? Primer is um It's a time travel movie written by an You can't hear me? Rest in peace, Cross. Oh, you're back. Oh, I'm here. Okay. That's gonna be weird in the edit. Primer is uh a time travel movie written by an MIT graduate, I believe. It's very slavishly accurate. People have whole flowcharts of like what's going on time travel wise, but it's about a guy who puts a time travel machine in a closet, uses it to go back one day, and then like buys buys a lottery ticket and then doesn't win the lottery, just sees that it's the right ticket, you know, like it's very meticulous. Okay, because he couldn't win the lottery because he didn't win the lottery, and that would fuck things up. So it was a test. I don't remember the specifics, but it's maybe he wins, but he wins a very, very, very small, you know, it's not about like let me get what I can get. It's like, oh shit, is this working? What can I do? Let me slowly but it's very low, very, very low budget. Um is that the one that starts where it's like four guys in suits just talking in a kitchen? Yes. Okay, because I I watched the beginning of that thinking it was time crimes because uh the torrent whoever made the torrent had put the wrong name on it. I was like, this isn't time crimes, what the fuck is that? Yeah, that's primer. Although on a technical level, it is a crime committed with time. That's true, yeah. So maybe he's just thinking above the but see the thing is you can go forward in time, though, you can change the rate at what you move in time, so you technically can go forward in time, so the future must have already happened at some point, so you couldn't go back to create a negligible effect because the butterfly effect would still fuck things up. Surely. Yeah, I think time travel is just not possible, truly. Do you there's theories if you really dig into primer, there's theories that like the loop in primer of I think there's like three iterations of the same guy in the movie, but then the theory is that whatever's going on in the movie like leads to a singularity and the earth implodes. Someone explained to me at some point. I thought you were gonna hit me some bullshit. I thought you were gonna say like people thought that MIT scientists had figured out how to do time travel and that's how we managed to make it so accurate. No, but like um by starting this loop of time travel, even if you're making incremental changes, you are creating this loop that goes out of control and eventually just collapses all of reality into a singularity. Something I don't know, man. You gotta do your own research on it because I cannot tell you what primer's about. Because I know I've been I've been down the YouTube rabbit hole of time travel. I know that the way it works is the universe isn't really a flat sheet, it's kind of like a crumpled thing of paper where there's curves to it, and that's wibbly wobbly timey whimey stuff. Yeah, and that time curves with gravity. So it's like so someone at a higher altitude and a lower altitude on Earth move through time at different paces, but it's very it's very small different paces, it's like fractions of a second. Yeah, that's gonna go differently. So that would mean if someone's moving forward through time faster than you, surely your incremental changes should affect their future in a very small way. So how does that work? Uh I don't think it ultimately works in any way because society is like equalized. I don't think it really you know, the internet is on the same. I I just think it's negligible, I guess. But can you be negligible in time? Yeah. I think so. You know, there are actually time lords, there are people who refer to themselves as the time lords, and they they keep track of the fractions of a second we lose every year when we have a leap year or whatever. See, I call them virgins. I don't disagree. I just wanted to mention it. Like those are the people that will get like I'm okay with people getting Gallifranian quotes tattooed on them, but see the people that like go, oh, I can write like and will write in Gallifranian and be like, can you figure that out? Like, no, fuck us, just talk, just write in. It's like Galaphranian is such a people go, oh but it's technically faster, it's like it's not because you need to drop fucking shit. Is it Galaphranian or Gallifrain? I feel like Gallifranian makes more sense. I've never heard that before. And that's just what I'm always called it. Gallifranian. Doesn't seem like that. It's what they call it in the television show. Is it? Yeah. I don't know. I've not been listening that intently. It's funny what we've talked so much about the thing that we just have barely talked about the the effects. Which is the major is what makes this movie. It's true. I mean, we did we talked about uh the guy himself, Rob Botine, I think is the pronunciation. They're fucking great. I don't know if you've watched the 4K of this, but it's amazing. They use actual bits of animals. Oh, like oh for like the uh dissection scenes? For the autopsy scene, yeah, it's just like gooey bits of animals. See, it doesn't surprise me. It looks like as we've seen from previous episodes, I'm quite good at being able to. I've got a weird skill at being able to go, okay, that's that's animal carcass. Or that's not real animal carcass. Do you know what fucked me up though? The fact that it seems like the dog like it was uh one good dog actor and it somehow didn't get hurt in those scenes. I think they definitely scared the fuck out of it. Yeah, true. I that dog must have been scarred looking at that monster. I was watching the scene where the the dog's face splits and it starts spraying shit and wiggling at the dogs, and I was like, okay, this looks like a scene that there's going to be like a behind the scenes oh a dog died, but no. And it it seems was it just one dog that we just did different like there was there's two when it opens the gate and two run out of them, but there's like eight dogs, and there's only one credited. I mean, I'm sure they had more for the big shot, but they did have one primary dog actor, and they talk about that dog act in the commentary. Oh my dog is such a an insane dog actor. It is. They they mentioned that they say it took like barely any takes, I'm pretty sure. But like even good boy, movie with a dog, he he mogs him. He thinks he's better than half of the fucking cast. And it's a dog. Yeah. I don't know if maybe that's because they've genuinely just terrified the dog. Good job. Yeah. But I'm gonna I hope it doesn't put me out the cult. I'm I'm sure this dog is credited on letterboxed. I'm going to look it up. Definitely. Because they don't they deserve it too. Like there's some movies that they don't if there's too many pets. I know the original Pet Cemetery doesn't do it because it was like eight churches. But there's one church for the remake, and that church is credited. And that that dog has got like four movie credits. That's not a lot of shit. It's Jed is the name of uh the Alaskan Mountain Mute. Jed? Jed. Uh I thought I thought I see when you said Jed and I was talking about Terry, I was like, is it Jed? Did they call the dog Judd? No. Very different. Do you know there was a yeah, you're not you you know, you talk about the movie I'm going on. Oh, okay. Yeah, there's I'm just picking up the random trivia now. Um there's a scene where Wilford Brimley at the end of the movie he puts his hand over Gary's face and he starts like assimilating him. Great effect. I love that's so creepy. Imagining you can't scream but you are conscious while someone's absorbing your mouth. Um that scene why the classic um school prank where you just go and level hands really bad because it wasn't. That's a great question. I don't think he did. Uh Wilfred Brinley's acting so good in that scene, he's so creepy. They asked him, What were you thinking about? Or no, what was your process? Like, what's how do you do that? And he goes, I was thinking about folding my laundry. Yeah, I always find that strange when they're like, How did you do that as an actor? And it's like, well, they're we're an actor. So that's that's what we go. It's their job is like they're lo they spend tens of thousands of hours going, okay, I'm going to act like a different person, and then you're going up to them and going, I did that with my face. I don't know. It's like have you never like done a bit where you've you've like lied to someone for a joke? Like it's not that hard if you're locked in. No, it's not. Oh, I I have a note L Windows. L Windows. Can you guess where L Windows happens? L Windows. E L as a letter L? Yeah. L? What? What are you talking about? Big L on Windows. McCready says Windows, use the flamethrower on the thing, and he just stands there and gets eaten. No. What? What are you talking about? He fucks up. It's a massive fucking L on Windows part. Oh, but isn't there is there something called Windows? Am I getting kid? What is this what's going on? Yeah, there's a guy named Windows. I texted you that earlier. The guy with classes is named Windows. What that's oh, okay. I thought you were saying I thought you were meaning like the Windows up. No. No, I was like, what do you mean the Windows for what the Windows? And then No, no, no. Just Windows fucks up real bad. And then he gets eaten. Oh you've d you've fucking fried me there. I bet. There's the bit where he um he burns Windows when it comes back in, and it seems like Windows is not even fully turned into the thing yet. He's slowly turning in, and I feel like you hear Windows screaming a little bit when he's on fire. Yeah, I'd imagine they probably. See when they light that man on fire before McReady throws the fucking dynamite at him. Yeah. Okay, I get he's probably he probably had a fireproof suit on. I have never seen someone with a fireproof suit on be as on fire as that person was. Did he get out without a single but how did that happen? I don't know, it's a good question. I'm sure they talk about it in the commentary. I wish I had time to go through it again. It's a good commentary. When Glasgow City Center was burning down, I didn't see as much fire on those buildings as I saw in that one human being in that one small room. John Capster says when they blew up the facility, it was like a bigger explosion than he'd ever seen in his life. They must have been actually not everything. I think so. Because when McCrudy folds that dynamite and that can't explode. Next time you watch that scene, look at Kurt Russell. It's so funny how he freaks out. Well, I mean it's fairly accurate for the character, not if a stick of dynamite is exploding within like three feet. It is, but then like the next it cuts to McCready like aura farming right after the right after the dynamite goes off. Just like staring with the wind going. Well one one cheesy one cheesy thing about this film, I'm like, that's a bit stupid. The ice cave that the thing was trying to build another UFO using helicopter parts. That's just dumb. That just looks stupid. It's cool. Helicopter parts is building a baby UFO from parts of a helicopter. It just wants to get somewhere. Is on a two-man rescue helicopter? Something. It makes something. It clearly does it. It doesn't work, or else I would have used it. So why is the thing building it? It's trying. And also, why is he building it? Why is he building it in an ice cave where he can't fucking fly it out? It doesn't fit for the door. Because it doesn't work. It's like when see when people build furniture in like their living room and go, okay, let's move it to the bedroom. Oh shit. We gotta go upstairs now. And like the it okay, so the thing can turn goopy. So why didn't it just goopy its way out the doorhole and then go like, okay, I'm just gonna take pieces one at a time. That's really where the big question of how aware is it comes in. Because it doesn't seem like it. I don't they don't always seem like they become the thing until they're confronted with it. Except for the scene where Palmer's blood gets tested, I feel like he does have a look of realization. They're about to test his blood, and his face goes into a like uh, alright, the game's up. It's not as it's not as as the 2011 movie. It's not as like it's not sinister, it's not but he gives a look of like, oh, I'm gonna stop pretending almost. Okay, but say you you were out in the freezing cold, and the only thing you had for hydration was Smurnoff Worke. And there was an alien that could mimic human beings to like an exact copy, and then you're like, hey, I was alone for 20 minutes and I don't really remember it too well. And now we're checking who's the alien and it's not them. Maybe at that point you would go, oh fuck. Oh well. It's like the I don't think you think about it. I think you would want to believe you're human and you would just ignore that. Most people in that situation. I don't know, I think it'd be cool to have that, you know, in moments where move like where characters realize that they've been dead and they have that oh oh wait, oh no, that happened. That would be dude, that would be such a good way to subvert uh the blood test scene in the thing 2011 as if the main character was the thing. They don't feel like there's a moment where they don't like like they test everyone's blood without theirs, and then they go, Oh wait, I was out in the snow, and then I was by myself, and like it's so you just had that moment where a character realizes, oh fuck, it is me. Right, like they think it'll be fine, and then someone goes to test their blood, and then they start realizing. Yeah, they realize that we've just like 15 minutes of our life were gone, and they don't know why that happened. Like that little moment of it because like say you lost 15 minutes of today, you you just go, Oh, that's strange. You just wouldn't think about it. It's like a very you don't memorize your entire life. Oh, I was tired. If you died on the way home right now with Wally, and there was like a five minute set, you wouldn't know. If you'd lost five minutes of that walk, you would just go, Oh, I don't know, I just walked my normal route. Yeah, yeah, very true. Like in uh Beetlejuice, where they they crash and then you go home and you're like, it's fucked, we crashed, and they're like, Hey, why is there people coming into house? I gotta watch Beatle Juice again. Beatle Juice is a set, don't watch Beatle Juice 2. Beetlejuice 2 is a bad movie, but watch Beatle Juice 1. Okay, that'd be a good plane movie. I haven't seen that in forever. It would be a good I'm trying to think if there's anything that would come across as strange if someone looked over your shoulder on a plane during Beatle Juice. But I think most people I feel like if someone looked over during any of Lyria Diet's little emo moments, it would be very embarrassing if we did not know what movie that was. Okay. What if I watch Mad God? Do you think people would move away from me? During the the very, very, very, very, very, very long surgical scene that does not need to be as long as it is, maybe. Yeah. Because they would look at your screen and they'd go, okay, it's a weird surgery scene, and then they would look back 10 minutes later and the same thing. What the fuck is this guy too? Yeah. What would be the worst movie? Because it'd be too easy to pick like a weird like pornographic European arthouse thing. What would be like the strange look over the film? No, because if I saw someone watching Martyrs, I go, oh, that's cool, we're watching Mars. If you didn't know what Martyrs was and you didn't like horror movies. You just watched like a war getting beat up. A Serbian film is probably also an easy one. Um but blues the warmest color would be a bit rough. Oh, that's insane. That would that's a nuts one. Yeah. You get arrested if you watched a Lucifer Valentine movie on a plane. I think so. There's nothing pornographic. Well, it's depends. Does America have like obscenity laws? Uh I don't know. Because I hate that obscenity can be considered a crime, because like how you can't that's like that's up to individual people. I wanna say no, but we're such a puritanical country in a lot of ways, so I don't I don't know. I feel like you could I feel like that could happen. There's probably a precedent. Cause is that not how like a lot of like seeing when Peter do their weird demonstrations, that's how a lot of them get arrested, is it not? Uh I don't know. Oh, yeah, I guess so. The thing is, I feel like it's if it's not laws, it would just come out in a court case and someone would say, like, you know, uh, emotional damages to my daughter. You sh you did this in public. Yeah, but then you could also I suppose well I suppose but then could you not hypothetically you're on a plane and you watch triffing something that's 18 rated but isn't that bad. Like if you watch a nightmare on Elm Street, nothing particularly gruesome happens in that. But it is 18 rated, so if it was people under 18 around you, could you get sued for that? No, because there's R-rated movies on in-flight entertainment. Right? Yeah, but I suppose for America you get R-rated, which children can still be allowed in with parental consent, and then we have age laws that they're just not allowed. No, R-rated is technically you're not allowed in. I'm fairly certain. Or is that maybe that's NC17? NC17, I'm pretty sure in America you're not allowed to bring kids in with R-rated, I'm sure you can with a porn. R-rated is with a guardian, yeah. And you just keep X for just porn, don't you? Yeah, I have never I don't know if I've seen an X movie. I think that is just porn. Because NC17 is like Shame is an NC17 movie. With Michael Fassbender. I'm looking uh okay, American X-rated movie. It's just gonna come up porn, isn't it? Probably. Weird. That can't still be true. Yeah, it's still X-rated. Um the Devils, that that one about like the repressed nun that a lot of stuff got cut out of. That's X-rated. But Evil Oh, the Evil Dead's not. Wait. Evil Dead 2 was shot for an R rating and was given an X rating, and then it was released unrated. That's huh. That's funny that they didn't get the rating they didn't get the rating they wanted, and they went, Oh, it's an unrated movie. That's so funny. And the funny thing is, he was released unrated as well. That means children could go and see it, and it's not an issue. Wild. Um that's a good Walmart. Yeah, but see, see, Walmart hit stalked faces of death for a while, and because you can't rate autopsy footage, real autopsy footage, it was unrated, so children could buy it. You mentioned that, yeah, that's crazy. It was a big thing in the horror community. People going, Grun, run to Walmart. Yeah, all of them. Yeah, I'm looking through the rest of these, and a lot of them just kind of look like weird, weird smart, I think. Clockwork. Oh, pink flamingos got it. That's fair, I suppose. The American MILF. I wonder why that got rated. Yeah. That's one of your favorites. No. I was gonna click on it and I was like, no, that's XNXX. Yeah, let's let's just go right into that. Is it like how Google went, here's Wikipedia, here's IMDB, here's porn. I'm glad someone made a playlist at least, because it's educational. I guess that's about it, right? Is there anything else the thing that we haven't touched on? Um I imagine we're never doing the prequel sequel requel reboot. Not for a long time. If we do, we do it with the 1950s one, which I think is decent. Okay, well, I'll bring it up here. Why is Mary Elizabeth Winstead there? Because we go, we need an expert, and then she joins, and then she doesn't do anything. Yeah, she's just sort of there. I don't remember. Is it little? I don't remember a lot of the details of that. Is it just so like the cask and go wolver was a woman? Or was a woman on set? No, I'm sure she has a scientific role. I think she is working with was it Eric Christian Olsen, the the other American guy. I think they are a team of biologists or something. I don't know, it just seems stupid because I was watching it like we found an alien, and then they they bring they go to America and they bring Mary Elizabeth Winstead up, and they're like, you're the only person that can help with this. And then she goes, Wow, it's an alien, and they're like, Yep, okay, we're gonna keep doing our jobs, and you're just gonna stand there now. Yeah, it doesn't they jump through too many hoops to make it a multinational cast. It would have been cool if they just made it a Norwegian cast. Just make it a Nor just have them speak Norwegian and put English subtitles. Yeah. It also does not feel like it's set in the 80s at all. No, I feel like Mary Elizabeth Winstead, she looks 2000s, and I don't know if it's just the Scott Pilgrim effect. She is She's a paleontologist, apparently. Okay, how does that help them with an alien carcass? Well, they they're they know they're unearthing something ancient from the ice. Yeah, they know it's a spaceship. Because two men fell into the fucking spaceship. Yeah. Well, you're gonna look at it and go, yes, it's a big fucking fossil alright. It doesn't make sense. Oh that's why I say like there's There's nothing in the prequel that I think um eliminates anything from like the 1982 version. I think it's all in canon enough. It's just it's not a it's not worth digging into at all. I like Lars. There's one character in um Oh worth mentioning the guy who let me think about. Yeah, it's I'm pretty sure the guy with the gun is this guy Lars from the prequel who doesn't speak English. He's the one character who only speaks Norwegian, and he survives and he gets on a helicopter to chase the dog at the end of the movie. Oh, how convenient that the one guy that can't speak English. Right, yeah. Which is why I just make them all Norwegian. Yeah, because at least that's the thing, because you're like, okay, well, if we get the thing, then we know only one person survives, and if it's the one guy that can't speak English, then it's gonna be him. So what's the point of the fucking movie? There is a good moment in the movie where Mary Elizabeth Winstead and uh this guy they both trust each other, but they can't really communicate, so they just have like a a moment. I think that's decent. There's uh there's good moments in the movie. It's just not a good movie. And I feel like there's more tension of bringing an attractive young woman on a base with like eight very masculine men in the middle of nowhere than there is that fucking blob monster with the little spindly bits. Yeah, I g I guess that's a way to put it. I don't know if I would have put it that way. The second she flew to that base, I was like, oh no. Oh no. Any other thoughts? Nah, not really, I'm chill. Alright. Uh yeah, I think that's it. 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