Human Intelligence System

Terence Shigg discusses the origins and philosophy of Legacy by Design, emphasizing the importance of purpose in personal and professional growth. He recounts a story from a class on organizational systems to illustrate how outcomes reflect true goals. Terence shares his journey, including writing a book during a difficult time and learning from various influences. He introduces his brother, Dwayne, to discuss the upcoming free webinar on December 18th, which will teach participants how to discover and leverage their purpose. The webinar aims to provide tools and insights to create value and align personal and professional goals, ultimately leading to a fulfilling legacy.

Transcript

Terence Shigg: 0:06

I just wanted to put a ad in here. I got a special edition interview at the end of today's podcast. I have an interview with Dwayne Shigg, who interviewed me about the upcoming event. So stay tuned after I'm done, and you can listen in on that interview. Good morning. Welcome back to episode two of legacy by design. I hope you enjoyed Episode One and got a little taste of what is to come. Please share and like and subscribe to these podcasts that helps out a lot. All right, today we are gonna, I wanted to get into the little bit of the background of why legacy by design is so important to me, and what it's based on, and what are some of the things that we're trying to spread and to teach and to give honestly to people. And I just heard a live by Myron golden. He says, if you say honestly, he's wondering what you were saying before. So myron's listening I I am being honest the whole time. It's so everything I say is honest what I am trying to say, is that what we'll do is, I wanted to give you a little bit of the history of how the systems that have created, the programs that have created this podcast, was created to benefit to benefit mankind, benefit individuals and organizations, as I said in my my first episode. But I guess I should back up. This journey for me started years and years ago, but the pieces started coming together much more recently. And I say years and years ago, because I wrote a book called What If the secret to rediscovering your true identity about 10 years ago, and this was during a tumultuous, tumultuous time, I guess in my life, I had was going through a divorce, move, transitions, all kinds of things were going on. And I put together that book as a way and an idea that if I was going through these things, and these were the tools that I used to help me through it, that I could possibly write those things out and somebody else could benefit from them. So that was the reason for that. And part of the information after doing all that was I went to a class once, and the trainer was there, and it was class on organizations and systems, and the story that He told was a story of an inspector in New York City, and a consultant who came into New York City's subway system to speak on their culture and to try and get them to be more efficient, was the and safer, I guess, was the the idea. And so the the gentleman who was called in to to help them with this training and to help them with their improve their safety, came in and asked to see the records, and, you know, the incident reports, accidents, deaths, all those things. And he took a couple of days and went through all the data, and then got all the key people together, and they they had a meeting, and one of the first things he asked in the meeting was, what is the the goal of the the subway, what is the goal of the the organization, and several people said, to provide safe transportation, to provide, you know, affordable. Transportation, efficient transportation. So the basic idea with after they were done, is to provide affordable and efficient transportation to the citizens of New York and abroad. You know, tourists. The idea is just to provide a way for them to get around the city is the simplest way to put it. And he said, Well, what if I challenge that to say, Yeah, that's one of the things you try to do, but one of the things you definitely accomplish every year is you kill 15 people. And so they were like, Well, no, those are accidents. That's not what we're what our goal is. And he said, but every year, consistently, 15 people get hit by your subways and they die. Then they said, well, well, yeah. He said, then that is your if that's your outcome, outcome, then that is your goal. And they went through the process of how what happens, and how that happens, and how they have procedures that prevent and should mitigate all of these things, and slowly but surely, the story began to evolve, that even though they had the safety protocols, if there had been no accidents, accidents in a while, then what happens is, if the trains are Late, then somebody gets a call, and some supervisor calls another supervisor, who gets on the conductor and tells him, you need to speed up. And if he has to speed it up, then some of those safety protocols and safety checks have to go out the window, because he has to make sure his trains are on time. And with that said? He said, then your goal is to make sure the trains are on time, not that they're safe and that people don't die, because that's part of your system. If part of your system is it's more important for the trains to be on time than for people to be safe, then your outcome is going to people going to be that people are going to die, and after that, they went into some ways to mitigate that. Meaning, if trains are late, yes, it can be notated, but that doesn't mean that the supervisor needs to get on the conductor. They need to understand if the train being late is, you know, going to happen, and it's not something that they can mitigate. And they that their safety protocols are priority, that late doesn't matter, as long as they adhere to the safety protocols, it just has to be notated. And as they talked about it, they understood that your system, and what I took for it, and what stayed with me for years is whatever your outcome is, that's what your system is built to do. So if your system, if your outcome is unhappiness, if your outcome is angry all the time and and low energy, then that's what your system is built to produce for you. You it, and that's one of the things that has made it into and evolved into my programming in this training, because, like I said, my mission statement is to teach individuals and organizations how to develop and implement positive growth systems. And those systems are based on what your outcome is, not based on what you intend them to be. And that's a very powerful thing to recognize is, once you know that, once you understand that, then everything can be changed, everything can be modified. Everything can be controlled and directed as you want it to be, not just because of society, and that's one of the things that especially nowadays, with all the talks of the economy and affordability and this policy and that policy, it's really important for individuals. To recognize that we have some agency in this process, and we can make these things how we want them to be. We can make our lives and design them how we want them.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 10:26

And I'm so excited. My special guest today is Terence l Shigg. He is the founder of legacy by design, and we're going to talk about that. Not only is he the founder of legacy by design, but as you can gather, he's my brother. I didn't say little brother because he don't like when I say that. So he's my He's my younger brother, and I can't say little brother because he's taller than me. But anyway, welcome to the show. Talk about it. Welcome our guest, Terence l Shigg, founder of legacy by design. Hello, sir. Hello.

Terence Shigg: 11:07

How are you doing? I'm doing great. Why are you yelling at me? Man,

Dwayne E. Shigg: 11:14

okay, I won't yell at you. Then, you know, big brothers used to doing stuff like that. So, oh,

Terence Shigg: 11:19

okay, okay, okay, it's not me. It's just, yeah, dynamic style, that's what

Dwayne E. Shigg: 11:25

that's that'll work, that my dynamic style, my my my my voice and my all that good stuff that you just said, that's what it was, you know. Okay, alright, we'll take that. I'll take that. Okay, sounded good when it was in my head coming out of my mouth. But anyway, man, I'm so happy to have you here. You are the founder of legacy by design, and I trust that the people watching will not I trust I know they will be helped by the things concerning legacy. By design, you got a great event coming up on the December the 18th. We want to get into that, but before we do that, I already gave you a semi introduction. So introduce yourself, tell the people who you are, what you're up to, and then we're going to get into legacy by design.

Terence Shigg: 12:13

Okay, well, thank you first of all for having me on here. Any opportunity that I get to share this is fun for me, because this is kind of what everything's built up to. Legacy by design is brainchild of a download between life experiences, books that I've read and prayers that have been answered. So it's all combination. And it just seemed to me that as I experienced more things, as I went from one profession to another, profession, retired from one, started another one. And I think we had this conversation once I started thinking, I I can't work for someone else anymore, right? Yeah, and it wasn't anything against the places that I work, but I began to realize that there's been a paradigm shift. And I think a lot of people are behind the curve with the worry about AI and GI and talking about how we, you know, we're worried about our job security. The way to have your job security is design your life such that you have a legacy of accomplishments, of wealth, health and stories that you can pass on. So legacy by design was really just a brainchild and a passion, thing that I want to be able to leave for my little ones, but to really teach people how to live on purpose and realize that you don't have to separate your passion from your profession. You can do both of them, and that's the paradigm that I want people to realize that has changed. You don't have to separate the two. Your passion doesn't have to be a hobby. It can be what actually support you. And even if it's not a financial thing, it can be a generational thing, where you can pass down the things that you've learned to the next generation. So I've created a number of products, some of them are coaching for individuals, organizations, special groups, anything that I can think of to help people get that idea and shift that paradigm, faster, smoother, easier, and to, like I said, be able to live their life on purpose.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 15:11

So all of that sounds good, and obviously I resonate with that for obvious reasons, obvious to me and you, because we think alike. But what about the person that says, Well, I don't have what you have. I didn't graduate from college. I didn't get a degree as an MFT, or, you know, I'm not a licensed MFT, you know, I don't have all those things. I can't I'm just a guy that works at. Walmart. What do you say to people that say things like that?

Terence Shigg: 15:44

I say that you're human and you have intelligence, and you're working a system right now. Everybody has a system, and that is the beauty of the the system that I put together, and I call it a human a human intelligence system, and it's basically taking your patterns that you already have and changing them to get what you want to get, not what you're getting. So I really believe in it's a systems approach, and it came from a book called The Goal. Where's it at? I got over here, just in case, a book by called the goal, and it's a theory called the Theory of Constraints. And the idea is that the systems are built, and if you want to improve the system, you have to find what they call the choke point, or the weakest part of that system, whatever is limiting it, improve that so that the system works as effective as possible, and then do it again, because there's going to be another choke point. There's going to be another thing where the system breaks down. That's how we live our lives. We live our lives based on a system. And sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, sometimes we fail, sometimes we succeed. My system takes what you're already doing and helps you tweak it so that you can be successful more often, so you can enjoy life more often. It's not complex. It's not new age. It really is based on just human behavior and optimizing it

Dwayne E. Shigg: 17:16

so it's not, you're not, you're not working to get people, get people to basically, it's redirecting a pattern or your word system that they're already using. Yes, okay, okay. And so legacy by design is, you know, your organization or the group that you created. And so the purpose of legacy by design, as it relates to all you said, is

Terence Shigg: 17:45

what to break the paradigm. So break that paradigm that one is of scarcity and one of is of not having all the resources that you have. That's not true. You you have the resources I love there's a story I was listening to, and they're talking about Pat Riley, and it was one of the assistant coaches, and he was saying how his job got easier since Pat Riley left. And one of the things they had traveled to an arena and they were supposed to practice they got in like, two o'clock in the morning. They're supposed to practice at nine in the morning. And Pat told him, Hey, you know where we're supposed to practice is all the way across town. Can you find some place closer so we don't have to drive all the way over there, right? Two o'clock in the morning. And the guy's like, Well, who am I going to call it two o'clock in the morning? I I can't switch the the practice it it's two in the morning. And he said, Pat. Riley looked at him and said, Have you tried? He's like, No, I haven't tried. You just told me I was not supposed to try. And sometimes that is our limiting belief and our limited system of, okay, I can't do that, but have you tried? I can't be successful because I don't have a degree or because I don't have the experience of those people. And then the answer is, we'll have you try, try, right? And once you get to that point where you're willing to accept that it's possible. Now let's go in and fix the system so that you can do that, because there's plenty of people that have done it, from Tony Robbins, Myron golden, Jesse Eisler, all these people started with nothing, and some of them got successful and failed in the middle of it. So went from millions to zero and then started over and not and not. All of them had college degrees. So it's possible if one person can do it. That's a tenant of neuro linguistic programming. Talks about how one person can do it, another person can do it, if you just model that behavior. And that's what the that's what my human intelligence system really is based on

Dwayne E. Shigg: 19:57

human intelligence system. So yeah, have you tried it? Um, your sister in law had a stroke. You know that most of our friends know that. And then there were some things that she was not able to do. And then as time went on, there were some things that she said, I can't do and so my response to her was just what you said, Try it, and then if you can't do it, I'll help you. Try it. And 90% of the time when she tried it, she she did it because she's just that good. She's just that smart, and so and I'm smart for marrying her. And so it's. Fix and so. But yeah, have you tried and there is something in the trying or attempting? Yes, you find you. You find out thing. You find out, okay, I can go up there five feet, but what happens when I get to past five feet? Can I go six, or do I need to make a detour? But you wouldn't have found that out if you stayed at step one, five feet back. Okay. Sounds good. Sounds good. And so you will be, you will be, let's talk about your event on On Thursday, the ninth, the 18th, talk

Terence Shigg: 21:18

about that. So on Thursday, what I'll be doing is launching the business. So I already formed the corporation. I formed the the framework for how to do the training and the different packages that will be available. But I wanted to have an event where I could teach the tenants of it, break it down, so people could understand, really the simplicity of it, and then launch the the program and the products that go with it. So everything from books that I've written, workbooks that I've put together, journals that I have and then coaching programs that I'll be able to teach, either one on one or in groups or for individual organizations. Because the thing about this system is it is something that works in the the small and the big. So it works for the individual and for the groups. So organizations can use this, this same method, to improve their organization. It's been proven on the Theory of Constraints, is used through all types of organization, right? That's one of the tenets of it. So if you break things down, finding the patterns, and that's kind of where the skill comes in, is getting the ear well, and I, I guess I should go backwards. So before I came up with this way of doing things, it was always something that I I had to do, mostly one on one and one at a time, okay, and and figure it out each time. What's a different way to do it depending on the person? So between my practice and the jobs that I had that took a lot of energy. But it also made me realize that if it's that difficult for me to do it every time, how difficult is it for every individual? Every time you have a problem, every time something comes up, you have to figure out a new way to solve this problem. So that was kind of the the genesis of it. And as I got better and better at it, I began to realize that there's patterns to it, and that's from reading things like Simon Sinek. Start with Why. If you figure out your purpose, you figure out why you do things, then you can figure out what to do, and then you can figure out how to do it that works for one to many. And so that's, that's the idea behind it is. It's something that really gets you to focus on what you want and why it is important to you, what part of you makes this something that is in your DNA, basically, is what I think, because your purpose is, is part of you. And if you're walking in purpose, things flow a lot easier than trying to figure out every time. Well, why do I want to do this? Or it makes it a lot easier.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 24:16

Oh, that's good. That's good. That's good. Um, uncle scuffy says that people do think Uncle scuffy. Y'all don't know who that is, but that's our uncle. People do things for their reasons not to oh, let me back up. Let me back up. Let me back up, interrupting myself. You said, You mentioned your practice. Tell people what that is.

Terence Shigg: 24:37

Oh, so I'm licensed marriage and family therapist, so I do practice therapy, and so that's what my practice is, and this is a separate entity, and that's a good question. I I'm glad you brought that up, because coaching is not therapy. They're two totally different things, and one doesn't negate the other and I'm not pitting one against the other one, but I believe that coaching gives me a little more freedom to work with people that that want the personal development and the entrepreneur side, okay, as well as Just being able to look at things from a broader range, meaning we can look at the the business side of it, the financial side of it. We can come up with business plans. We can do personal develop that includes setting up businesses, LLCs, websites, because between myself and my team. Um, we have that experience to be able to do that. So that's what differentiates it from just the therapeutic side of it. There's also an entrepreneur and a business side of it too,

Dwayne E. Shigg: 25:51

okay, um, going back to what I was saying uncle scuffy, he says people do things for their reasons, not yours. So on Thursday, you know, why should people come? I heard you talking about products and all that kind of stuff. So for this, for the for the for the skeptic, for the person that says, Okay, why would I need to to show up or to come to that? In the words of, you know, Janet Jackson, what have you done for me lately? So why did, why did they need to show up on Thursday.

Terence Shigg: 26:22

Okay, so for me, the the main thing that I always thinks of, and it was part of why I do the webinar and why I started the company, is create something of value that's in alignment with your values. Ooh, ooh, say that again. Create something of value that is in alignment with your values. That's good. Coming to the webinar, we will expose, express, introduce you into how to get into your purpose so that you can create something of value, okay, and that purpose, the the importance of it allows you to figure out what that thing of value is that's in alignment with your value, because you can't do one without the other, or you can, but in order for your legacy to be what you want it to be, one that is something that You can pass down, grow and allow to teach those that come, that come behind you, be it family, friends, co workers, that purpose is necessary. So I always say it's worth the price of admission just to hear the information about all of that went into the process. So from the book of the goal to Simon cynics, the why from augmentino, the greatest salesman in the world, all that information will be combined in this seminar to give you a very simple blueprint for one why it's important to discover what your purpose is, and then to break that paradigm that says, What am I going to do with a liberal, liberal arts degree? Well, this is what you're going to do with it. It's going to be in a line with your purpose. You enjoy that for a reason. Let's use it

Dwayne E. Shigg: 28:11

right, right, right, right. If you just joined us, you're joining us on talk about it. If it's brings information, inspiration, education and elevation, we talk about it, and that's what we're doing with our guest, Terence Shigg, the founder of legacy by design. Real quick, gotta drop a commercial in here. I am the author of encouragements for tough times. Just recently, re released this book because all of us have some tough times, and so we have some encouragements for you to get through the tough times, full of motivating messages and some original encouragement quotes, like this one here, when confidence and commitment conspire, excuses to quit will expire and you will reach your dream desire that's not as good as the one you gave a little while ago, but it's still, I think it's still close to it. So this is our latest book, our re released book, and so you can get your copy, go to Amazon com, put in my name, Dwayne Shigg, and you won't get you won't have any problems, because there's only three authors on Amazon named Shigg. I'm one of them. The gentleman you're talking I'm talking to is the other one, and our cousin, Simeon is the other one, so you won't have any problem. After you buy my book, you can even buy some of their stuff. Okay, welcome back to talk about it. Thank you, man, so much for being here. Your focus is on purpose. You've mentioned that so many times, so talk a little bit about the importance of it. How do you know what it is? How did you know or find out what your purpose was?

Terence Shigg: 29:50

So perfect question, and I don't even know if you remember this one, I truly believe that sometimes you'll be pushed into your purpose, but purpose leaves clues throughout your life. There'll be things that felt right, you'll know. But I remember a specific incident I was thinking about this the other day when we were talking about the show. I don't know if you remember coaching the YMCA basketball team that I was on. Yeah, yeah. So you coach the team. I remember one time where at the practice, practice is over with, and some of the the players were outside, so me and some of the other teammates were outside messing around, and one of the other guys that was on our team, he. Took the skateboard from another kid, and he was riding back and forth, and the kid wanted his skateboard back, okay, and without, don't know, still to this day, don't know what I was thinking, because the kid was bigger than me, but I put my foot in front of the skateboard, so he tripped and flew off the skateboard, and I picked up the skateboard, gave it to the kid. Well, of course, he got mad, so he comes over at me, and he's yelling at me, and I'm holding my ground, but it's time to leave, and that's when you had that green Camaro with this right down the middle. And so we're getting ready to leave. So I get in the car, and he follows me to the car, and he's yelling and screaming, and you remember what you did? No, you told me to go finish. You told me to get out the car, because obviously you we had something to finish talking about. Okay, so I got out of the car. We finished yelling at each other, we didn't fight, but then I got back in the car. But you know what that taught me? One part of my purpose is I am one of those people that stands in the gap. I was I will do it. It's instinctive for me. I don't know, don't know where, well, I know where it came from. But that's, that's part of my purpose, right? Okay, another lesson I learned that day is that if you stand up for something, if you want to stand up for something, you better be willing to fight for it. Oh, okay, okay, you taught me that.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 32:13

Oh, so those and I like what you said, that purpose leaves clues. So the the that incident, helping the kid and all of that, that was a clue to your

Terence Shigg: 32:28

purpose, right? Oh, and so that's part of the process, is going back finding those clues and putting them in to a system that allows you to use that efficiently, effectively and in a way that allows you to be successful. That'll be profitable, that'll be happiness. You define that, I can't define success with something

Dwayne E. Shigg: 32:53

right, right on Thursday, will part of that, and you may have said it already, will part of that, I think you did. I just want to reiterate it. Part of the webinar will will be helping people recognize, discover their purpose.

Terence Shigg: 33:12

So what I will do is I'm going to teach about that human intelligence system, okay, stats that go into it, and I'm going to teach you why purpose is unimportant, how to look up and find those clues, okay, ooh, and how that can make yourself, how you can make yourself profitable by using your purpose. Those will be the topics that we'll go over

Dwayne E. Shigg: 33:41

so there is profit in your purpose, absolutely, and that's okay. That was one of the hardest lesson. And you and I have had a conversation about this long time ago. That was one of the hardest lessons for me to learn. You know, when I started on this particular journey, all of you know, dealing with the fact that it's okay to market yourself. It's okay to profit from your purpose, because my frame of mind was focused ministry, preaching, getting people saved, which is what I'm called to do, but also encourage, motivate, push, teach, and I have had the hardest time fixing my brain to let myself know it's okay to use the purpose, the passion, to make a profit. I'm helping people, but it's okay if they, you know, buy a book that's going to help them, right?

Terence Shigg: 34:44

Cuz, if you're creating something of value that brings value to somebody else, right, then it's going to be worth something. And my goal is to bring value to people that's worth way more than what they'll pay me for it.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 34:58

Oh, okay, okay, okay. So Thursday, what time and how do people sign up so they can come and get all this powerful information.

Terence Shigg: 35:09

So it'll be a zoom webinar. So there's a registration link on, can we put it on here?

Dwayne E. Shigg: 35:18

I can put it in the comments

Terence Shigg: 35:21

when we finish, yeah, so in the comments when we finish, there'll be a zoom link where you can register, and then once I open it up at six o'clock on Thursday, I'll just have it open so that anybody that hits the link can come on in. But I'd like for you to register beforehand, just so we have an idea of how many people are going to be. There.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 35:40

Okay, is it legacy by design, 1968 is that it?

Terence Shigg: 35:46

That's my email. You can email me there, and then I'll, I'll get it, get it to him. But the Zoom link is one of those, HTTP w9 4620 things that make no sense to anybody.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 36:04

Okay, now how much is the registration? That's what everybody's waiting to find out, because they say, Okay, you told me that's how much it's going to cost.

Terence Shigg: 36:11

The registration is free. So this is a free seminar. I want to do this to bring something of value that will introduce you to the company, to the products, because once you come in and see it, then you can go and check out the store everything in there, from meditations to workbooks to counseling and to coaching.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 36:32

Excuse me, right. Great, great, great. Alright, we got about three minutes. Man, any last minute things you want to say about Thursday, about purpose, about the sweet potato cheesecake that you make. Never mind. I'm sorry I haven't eaten dinner yet. So any last words, comments

Terence Shigg: 36:54

you want to give for me, I the one thing that I have learned as I've done this and figured this out and put things together is that I don't think we realize how important purpose is. And the download that I keep going back to is that purpose is bigger than the person. Yeah, and if you look again throughout history, and you see people that have found their purpose. It's bigger than just them, and that's everywhere, from the business world to the civil rights movement to Mother Teresa, Martin, Luther King, Denzel Washington, these people that are living their purpose are doing things that impact way beyond just what one person could do, just trying to get ahead so that, to me, is the importance of it and

Dwayne E. Shigg: 37:55

running out of time. But I'm drop this here purpose when you know your purpose, it really, you really can't help but doing it. And so one of the stories I really remember is one day in high school, that was 100 years ago, there was this lady that, a young lady that me and my friends knew that she had just broken up with her boyfriend. And you know, when you're 16, that's the end of the world. And you know, Kenny Johnson, he came and got me, because of the place we used to hang out all the time. He came and got me, and he said, I got a job for you. Now, I'm I'm 16, and so my job was to go over there and cheer her up, because she broke, broke up with her boyfriend 50 years ago, and that was part of my purpose. But at that time at Dorsey high school, I didn't know that that was my my purpose. I'm just going to, you know, keep this girl from crying, make her smile. But those are type of things that I do with the book. I The teaching with just in conversation and so like you said, purpose leaves clues, and sometimes at the time, we don't recognize it's a clue,

Terence Shigg: 39:28

correct, correct. So, so now you add that into the whole legacy, Legacy part of it. And wouldn't it be nice if we knew that 20 years ago, if I could pass that on to my son and my daughters and say, These are the clues you're looking for. Ah, to go down this road trying to figure out all I'm going to give you the blueprint to figure it out so now you can choose. It's a whole different thing when you choose to not serve your purpose, and you know it, right? And not know it and try to figure it out. But if I can pass that one thing down to say, this is how you figure it out, it's worth its weight in gold.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 40:13

And so a lot of times right now, people are walking day to day, walking past and walking over clues and saying, I wish I knew what my purpose was. And then they go and help somebody, then they go and fix a car, and then they go and create something. Then they go, I went, but the clues are right there. But because we don't recognize it as a clue, we just keep walking past. And so. On on Thursday, they're going to be able to identify, how to identify those clues.

Terence Shigg: 40:47

And yes, and even, what is even more of a tragedy in in my mind, is they think that the purpose has to be a hobby.

Dwayne E. Shigg: 40:59

Ooh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. I do this on Saturdays. I do this after I leave my job. I do this. Yeah. Oh, so the purpose can be your profit. It can be the thing you do every day, the thing you can do after you retire, the thing you can do when you want to do it. And it's not just for now, right? Good, good. Oh, my goodness, oh, my goodness. Okay, I know we gotta go. But this is great. This is great. And so, Thursday, eight o'clock. I mean, six o'clock, six. Thursday, six o'clock, legacy by design, the webinar the power of purpose, and there's going to be a link you can email him at legacy by design, 1960 eight.com, or when we when you finish watching this, there's going to be a link in the comments or at the top somewhere where you can just hit the link and you can participate. And I'm looking forward to seeing you. It's not my seminar, my webinar, but, you know, I'm going to be there. And so do I? Do I? Do I get big brother privileges? Do I get to sit in the front?

Terence Shigg: 42:09

You need to ask a question. I'll let you ask

Dwayne E. Shigg: 42:13

one question. 111, now, you know that's a mistake for a preacher. You know that, don't you? That's why I said one. Oh, okay, everybody, thank let's thank our guest, Terence l Shigg from legacy by design, Thursday, six o'clock, be a part of the webinar. The power of purpose. Thank you, man for being with me tonight. I greatly appreciate it. Hold on we thank you for being with us participating and talk about it, and just remember if it brings information, education, inspiration and elevation, We will talk about it. Stay encouraged. Be blessed. You. You