Miss Me With The Rolling Stones

Happy Magical Monday!! In our first Monday episode, Green Day’s “When I Come Around” and The Rolling Stones’ “Start Me Up” compete in our eleventh matchup of the Jacktical Magic tournament.

Amelia and Cooper talk about the quality of life of a Burger King employee, a punk utopia in Berkley, and how drummers pass the time when nobody else wants to work.

Which song will be declared the winner and move one step closer to the title of having the most Jack FM energy?

Your vote decides.

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Theme Song: ‘Heavenly Pop Hit’ by The Chills. Used with permission.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:08

Welcome to Jactical Magic, a critical examination of North America's most baffling radio station, Jack FM. My name is Amelia Scannell, and I'm joined by my co-host, Cooper Willis.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Hi, Amelia, and I just want to say I hope that you guys aren't feeling very Garfield because we're on Mondays now.

SPEAKER_05 0:32

Oh, very good. Very good.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Garfield famously hates Mondays and he famously loves lasagna.

SPEAKER_05 0:40

I feel like animals would, yeah, if if they had the opportunity to try more foods, I think they would love though. So cats famously will eat birds, mice, and fish. That's cartoon rules. I don't even know if they like it though. Like, what if they don't? So, you know, introduce lasagna into their diet, and they might love it. I was at the uh Huntington Gardens last year, and there's a bamboo forest, and a sign said pandas favorite food. Not like pandas live on bamboo, right? But their favorite food. Have you given a panda a cheesy gordita crunch?

SPEAKER_04 1:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Have you have they tried unwrapped Starburst minis or give a panda a pizza? Never had a pizza. They would probably it'd probably inject some life into their system. They'd be like, oh, okay, now we get it. Now we get why everyone's so excited to stay alive and mate and continue as a species.

SPEAKER_05 1:47

I was thinking about why people don't have like a romantic connection to Burger King, the way they do McDonald's or Taco Bell. Right. I believe, and you mentioned this years ago, they don't stay open late. Mm-hmm. They close it up like they prioritize quality of life over late meals. And I think a lot of people have a romantic connection to Taco Bell because of their late-night openness.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Mm-hmm. That makes total sense because they say you don't actually fall in love with a person, you fall in love with the person you are with that person.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

And yeah, when when you're housing a cheesy gordita at 1 a.m., your shirt is covered with fire sauce, and you're looking at the people who make you the happiest in a parking lot. Yeah, that's 100% why I want Taco Bell.

SPEAKER_05 2:48

I Yeah, it's not like we have memories of our mom being like, Dad's bringing home Taco Bell for dinner.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Right.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

No, that is consumed way later in the day.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Yeah, there aren't a lot of Taco Bell dinners in in our history. But yeah, we were talking about it because every time we have Burger King, we're reminded it's good, it's the best. It's kind of the best burger. It tastes fantastic. The fries could do some work, but they do always do you that service of accidentally throwing in an onion ring for you. Then you go into a dry spell and you completely forget about Burger King. And you've also like somehow convinced yourself that it sucks. You're like, oh, Burger King. Have it again. Yeah. My my number one connection to Burger King is still uh, I mean, the Burger King Kids Club, that cool ass wheelchair. Oh, wheels. Wheels. Yeah, oh man. Oh I was like, Mom and Dad, this is the this is my hero. This kid is who I want to be when I grow up.

SPEAKER_05 3:57

And he embraces the word wheels, kind of like how it's been reclaimed, or like certain words that some people can say and some people can't say. He took the power from wheels and made it. Yeah, that's so aspirational.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Yeah, I 100% was like, A, I really wanted my name to be Craig when I was a kid. I was convinced, I think I must have known a Craig on my soccer team, but I was like, that name kicks ass. And Wheels kicks ass. Because Wheels, uh I am right that Wheels was also like the future tech kid, right? That's not a kid vid. Oh, kid vid.

SPEAKER_05 4:43

There was I might be mixing the two glasses. There was IQ perpetuating the nerds with glasses. There was a tall basketball playing black kid, black boy. Black boy, those two words together don't sound good.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Black boy singing in the king.

SPEAKER_05 5:08

That black boy? That just sounds that's gonna have to go. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like it's gonna be followed by like is taking a nap in a bale of hay or something again.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Right. That black boy. He's it's something you're gonna hear on the uh Splash Mountain tree ride.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

Okay, and then there was Snaps, the photographer, or the kid with a camera.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

Your knowledge at the Burger King's Kids Club is astounding.

SPEAKER_05 5:47

Okay, and then there was a an athletic girl, you know, and she preferred the company of boys as friends. Yeah, and then I believe there was a a Hispanic kid whose name escapes me. He might have been the photographer, but anyway. Uh no, as far as Burger King, you're right. And those chicken long boys, those long chicken sandwiches, haven't changed. They taste precisely the way they used to.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

I'm getting hungry. I'm gonna have some Burger King tonight.

SPEAKER_05 6:23

Okay, and and audience, we have Cooper and I have been talking about getting these episodes under an hour, like well under an hour. So let's start with uh this week's episode. We are having 64 songs compete for the title of Biggest Jack FM Vibes. And last week, It's My Life by Bon Jovi beat Just Like Heaven by the Cure. And it was by a lot, you know, when it comes to Bon Jovi, It's My Life, and Learn to Fly by by Foo Fighters, you know, our audience got the assignment. Is that what gets the assignment? Got the assignment? Yeah.

unknown 7:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

All right. That was a very stigma thing of you to say. You you bit on you bit on social media, they do a little like dance. They all do a little dance.

SPEAKER_05 7:29

Like on a Chan?

SPEAKER_04 7:31

Like a like a 4chan?

SPEAKER_05 7:34

Or I think it's different. I think it's called something else now. It did go to Chan. The branding got so bad for 4chan that they rebranded. And now I don't even think they use the word Chan.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

It is funny how the 4chan people were right about like everything. Now they're just like, well, we'll we'll ignore it because some of the people we like were involved.

SPEAKER_05 7:59

Yeah, yeah. And they never tried going for the legitimacy. When I've been on it, it's it's terribly racist, terribly homophobic, transphobic. Yes, they're anti pedo, but also not. Like there's there's a group on those chans that aren't.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

Um, but uh what do we got this week? This week we've got our 11th matchup. When I come around by Green Day versus A Start Me Up by the Rolling Stones. Oh, okay. That's why I'm wearing the jacket today. I had to I had to up my swag to to to the Jagger. Oh. You should start a jacket company called Jagger. Heard it, heard myself say it.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

Let's take a quick o break, and then when we come back, I will tell you about some stuff about uh when I come around. So see you soon.

SPEAKER_07 9:11

It's another bunch of songs in a row. On Jack FM.

SPEAKER_05 9:19

And we're back. This is Amelia. I got Cooper over here, looking right at him. Berkeley, California, 80s. There was a music venue, but kind of like a nonprofit workshop and DIY, mostly like a punk venue called Gilman Street, 924 Gilman Street in West Berkeley. A total socialist utopia. All volunteers, they would teach people to play. The people who ran it help nurture new bands and also give them a place to play. It's kind of like those Mick Sweeney places, like time travel bar and stuff. Where they just they'll publish books, but they also give workshops and teach you how to write.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

And is that still open? That mix that time travel?

SPEAKER_05 10:14

I always ignore that side because I'm always surprised by like what's taken over the Walgreens or whatever. So I'm always looking to my left. I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna say it's still there. Okay. And I just found out that MASA of Echo Park is still there.

SPEAKER_04 10:34

Ooh.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Which which I always I always look to the left at sticky rice. And this is so LA, but um This is so LA, you guys.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

This isn't the most LA thing that in it has ever been discussed.

SPEAKER_05 10:49

But they do a hell of a Chicago style deep dish, and also Becky Park. They close very early, so you better get there when the sun's up.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Real Burger King of the deep dish community.

SPEAKER_05 11:04

Very good. Real burger king. So this is where Billy Joe, Armstrong, and the others. We got uh we got the rest. Mike, and they later met Trey.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

Yeah, cool. Kore.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

That's not his name, but so they had a little band, and this Gilman Street project was such a huge deal for them. This like boys and girls club of punk. And Billy credits them with like saving his life because the rules of this place: no drugs, no alcohol, no racism, no homophobia, no fighting, no moshing, or big one, no big record companies. So you sell out, you're banned. Keep that in mind. I'm nervous because yeah, well, your worst fears are about to be realized because Green Day was by far, and they weren't called Green Day. Again, I don't remember what they were called. I don't put facts in my notes.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, just go on feelings.

SPEAKER_05 12:13

Feels like a nonprofit. But anyway, Green Day, just the shining stars, the the top students of Gilman Street. It was clear that they immediately were going on to bigger and better things. They could play, they had stage presence, they had yeah, talent, they melodies. Hello, give me some melodies, melody mounts. Yeah. So they were approached, they made a couple independent albums, those sold really well. Then they got the contract. I was Kerplunk still indie, or was that reprise?

SPEAKER_02 13:02

I was just gonna ask you. Uh Kerplunk is the first thing that I know. I don't know. I was gonna ask if that was one of the indie ones or if that was their first.

SPEAKER_05 13:10

I think Dookie is the first studio album. Right. But Dookie does have Welcome to Paradise, which was re-recorded from Kerplunk. Anyway, right away, they they ruled. So Green Day rules, basically. They had a producer named Rob for the album Dookie. He turned their sound into a great sound, like a thick guitar, a really surround sound drumming, just a full sound that wasn't like trashy punk. I love Dookie, even though I said I don't care for the title.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

Which, by the way, Kerplunk. Kerplunk's fun. But Kerplunk is the sound a dookie makes when it drops in a toilet.

SPEAKER_05 14:03

Uh no.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

It's also Yeah, but that first album was Diarrhea.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

I mean, wasn't don't say that. Um I love the words Kerplunk. I love Nimrod. Dookie comes out in '94. Does a nice piece of business. Gilman Street, they say you're out. Just devastated Green Day, especially Billy Joe. Imagine that you are doing what you dreamed, you became successful at it, but you lost your friends. Your friends said we gotta stop hanging out with you. And they're young, but not they're maybe 18, it's it's gotta suck. It's it's like a little monkey paw situation. It's just like careful what you wish for. Uh so they were really bummed about that. They went on tour. It was apparently a really fun tour, but it was super on the cheap. They were sleeping in vans, they were starving, they or they were sleeping in their van. A music journalist actually like came with them and wrote about it. It's very interesting. I'll put the I'll put the links in the show.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

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SPEAKER_05 15:37

Yeah. Let's see. What else? Oh, so while they were on tour, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Billy Joel Armstrong, he meets Adri standby.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

And Brody. He meets Adri and Brody.

SPEAKER_05 15:57

Who goes on to win two Oscars.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

And he, yeah, he he he completely credits Billy Joel Armstrong for that.

SPEAKER_05 16:05

Yeah, and Billy Joe was the one who gave him the idea to introduce Sean Paul on Saturday Night Live with dreadlocks and going like, yo, yo, respect, respect my neck, respect. And it went on. I felt like um hold on.

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Did you when you were a kid, did you think when you were hearing Billy Joe Armstrong that you were hearing Billy Joel Armstrong? Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:31

I don't even, you don't even have to finish your question. Right. Yes is the answer. Okay, so at a Minneapolis show, Billy Joe meets a girl at the venue. Her name is Adrienne Nesser. Okay. You know, Billy, he's still a mess. He's not doing great, even though they're doing great. Right. It might have actually, this might have been Kerplunk era. So they were doing great, but not as great as they are about to do. They really are drawn to each other right away, but he's like, I have to go. And they maintained a long-distance relationship. He wrote the song When I Come Around about their relationship. It's about, like, you know, I'm I'm a fuck up. I'm a user. I'm a loser. Which in 1994, when weren't people saying I'm a user and a loser? He was just like, show me some grace, show me some patience. I'm a mess right now, but every time you see me, when I come around, I will have improved. I will be better. I will be, will be okay. They have since she moved to LA, they have been married for 30 years. Oh wow. Still married to this day. These guys, Billy Joe, I I really respect him and it and like him. Yeah, that album, so good. I love the cover. Well, let me let me ask you, what is your experience and thoughts about Green Day and this song?

SPEAKER_02 18:14

We've talked about it before. I about remembering where we were the first time we heard songs. I was at Matt Patterson's house, sleepover. Matt Patterson. He famously talked to my friend's sister, and his voice cracked, and he said, Hi, I'm Pat Patterson. And then he said, I gotta go. And then he rode away on his bike and somehow like hit a rock and flipped over the handlebars. And I was like, that was the greatest sequence of events I've ever seen happen. This night was a little bit less great. We'll get to it. Bob Newhart was the host on Saturday Night Live. Desiree was the musical guest. We were in Little Caesars. We were upstairs in his room, and he put on Dookie, and it was the first time that I had heard it. And I was like, what is this? This is like it was one of those albums that reshaped my brain. And then soon after that, we looked at some of his dad's Playboys, and then his dad got really mad at him and like threw him into a wall all while the sleepover was happening. I was like, this is too many things happening in my brain, but I'm gonna remember it all.

SPEAKER_05 19:24

Yeah, you gotta hang out with Matt Patterson all the time, just for stories.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

I really anytime that I did hang out with Matt Patterson, there those stories stayed. They they have not left my brain. Uh they were always very strange and very wonderful and weird. But yeah, I had I hope he's well. I would like to check in with him. But yeah, he introduced me to Dookie. I whenever I listen to it, I'm back in his bedroom hearing it for the first time and just thinking, this is um this is incredible. Listening to when I come around this past week preparing for this, I was like, this song is so good. And and this is one of those albums that I just was like, I have no problem listening to this whole thing. And in fact, Caitlin and I were talking, and we were talking about secret songs, and this was my first ever secret song album that I remember with all by myself. Just this idea that like this like secret thing existed and that people could do this with music was so cool. Obviously, we had CDs by this point, but for some reason, this album feels like the first CD that was like for us to me.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

My parents gave me that Pearl Jam album and the Beavis and Butthead, but like Dookie was like our first record that's cool and that's for us.

SPEAKER_05 20:45

Fucking a thousand percent me too. I absolutely knew that Green Day was for me. Uh, like I said, the illustrated cover. Well, first I was watching MTV and the um Longview video I saw for the first time. It was good and I loved the song. I did think they were British, you know, because he's he could does give himself a little cockney.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

He's too he's putting on that poke effect for sure.

SPEAKER_05 21:19

Yeah. I love and then like I was hit by the chorus, and I was like, oh shit, this is fantastic. And then a couple weeks later, I saw the video for fucking basket case, and it was all over. I I got the shit out of that album. Yeah, and it was yeah, it was like my favorite album for a long time. It it almost made me like punk. I did get gold finger. I didn't get anything with horns.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Okay, you this is where we divulged, where I would Yeah, no, no ska. Listen, I need some I need some wing tipped Doc Mars. And some ska music in a Christian rec center basement. I need to skank my angst away.

SPEAKER_05 22:06

Okay. Well, so 94, big year for them. They did get banned from Gilman Street, and uh they did Woodstock 94. Dookie came out in February of 94. Like, if you churned through two or three singles, that brings you to like summer. So when I come around was just out, Green Day did an awesome set at Woodstock 94. It was pouring rain. It was the second day of Woodstock, turned it into a giant, muddy, disgusting swamp. The first day, their little temporary fences could barely stand. And then with all the mud and things, those fences, people just tore them down. And somewhere between 400 and 500,000 people. People were throwing mud. People were slipping and sliding and just rolling. And it was great. And Billy Joe calls it the closest thing to anarchy he has ever seen. At some point, he just stopped playing and got down in the mud with them. Uh security like tackled uh Mike or Trey Cool and like chipped his teeth. Um they like the news for some reason Green Day was seen as just the the wildest, most punk, most anarchist group that that people currently like. Like the outsiders were they would know Green Day kind of the way that like a uh what's his the way that Ice T had that cop killer song. Sure. Which again, who's on the right 4chan and ice tea? Well done. Um yeah, if you're hearing this, you can kill cops. Um so anyway, like people knew of Green Day without actually being music fans, and that only helped when I come around. It and Dookie. I don't know. I like them. I as each album came out after Dookie, I like them a little less. I do love Minority. Oh, it's so good. It's like or like a Revolutionary War, yeah. Kind of a I can hear like with like the drum, like the single. What kind of drum is that?

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Snare drum.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

Snare. Okay. The song When I Come Around, this song hits a lot of Jack FM things. It's very catchy and well made, and the lyrics aren't sappy, but they aren't positive. They are a little serious, they're stinky. You can relate a little more to that. This is why I picked for the competition when I come around. And, you know, and also the intro, the tempo, yeah, the the and also, yeah, maturity.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

I I feel very much the same with you about this early era green day, and even American Idiot, like when that came out, uh, I remember getting it and being excited about it, being into it for a little bit, and then kind of having that excitement wear off. Um, you know, I think the hard thing about being any band, but especially a band that is doing music that's supposed to be counter-consumerism or counter, you know, very politically charged. It's hard to grow and be the arena rock band that hates consumerism. It's hard to be a punk band that's selling out stadiums. And, you know, I I think politically they still very much speak their minds. I mean, at this year's Super Bowl, they were muted for saying fuck Trump or whatever. They I don't even know, but you know, so they're they're still sticking to their roots, but musically, they're not back in Berkeley. They're world-famous musicians. It's hard, it's we've talked about this a lot. This idea of did I change? Did they change? Did did society change? Why did why do we have this fall off with bands that used to love? And I, you know, I God bless. I'm glad Green Day's still going. I'm glad they still have their fans. And yeah, I think they are awesome. I think that this era, uh listening to Dookie again, perfect.

SPEAKER_05 26:51

If you just heard it without lyrics, you would think it's a very positive, cool song. But then if you hear the lyrics, same with um semi-charmed life. Uh it's about being like a scumbag or something. Or no, it was about like homeless people or like just seeing the world get bad.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Yeah, like doing uh doing lines of cook and fucking on an alleyway mattress.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

People like upbeat songs, danceable songs, but lyrics that are a little dark or a little a little yeah, just not super positive.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

So sure. Well then people are definitely gonna hate the next song, which we will get to right after this commercial break. Way less slobbery than Turner and Hooch. Okay, welcome back. I guess now it's time to start me up talking about the Rolling Stones. I I want to start just by you you have been insinuating something for weeks now. Your opinion of the Rolling Stones. I I want to just get right into this conversation because Okay.

SPEAKER_05 28:04

Well, in one sentence, miss me with the Rolling Stones.

SPEAKER_02 28:11

This song is from their 18th album. That is insane to me.

SPEAKER_05 28:18

Yes, so many albums. Oh, one or two really, really good songs sometimes, but every album, you can just feel the lack of effort. You can feel the we gotta make some songs, we gotta throw away. We need throwaways. You know, yeah, the first several albums were blues, which I haven't listened to the blues or a lot of the original songs, but the blues songs that I did know, they do not do it justice. They do uh Cry to Me, the Solomon Burke, and it's dog shit. It's so much of it's like unlistenable, like their entire career. You can just tell, like half of the albums are some of the worst things you've ever heard, but then there are things that are so good. Like Aftermath has under my thumb and maybe can't get no satisfaction, and then Her Majesty's who what had She's a Rainbow and that's uh their Satanic Majesty's request, yeah. Which is absolutely such a fucking answer to Sergeant Pepper. They were all they were reacting to the Beatles. The Beatles were a reaction.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

I will say this when it comes to the Beatles Rolling Stones conversation, a lot of that is thrust upon them. I don't think that they necessarily were following the Beatles' footsteps, they're just happen to also have the Beatles' haircuts, they happen to also be from England. Yes, and at some point, yes, they're 100% trying to follow the path. You and I were Beatles through and through.

SPEAKER_05 30:06

The Rolling Stones couldn't see the Beatles with a Hubble telescope, they're not in the same class.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

Sure.

SPEAKER_05 30:15

John and Paul gave them their first hit, like charity. I want to be your man, and the Beatles did it better.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

Right.

SPEAKER_05 30:23

Oh, yeah, I have a funny little story, and then I'll let you talk. But when the movie Yesterday came out in like 2019, 2020, maybe. So the premise of yesterday is a young man wakes up one day to a world where no one knows who the Beatles are, they've never existed. And he is the only one who knows the songs, he's a musician, he loves the Beatles, and he kind of co-ops all of their songs and he unites the world. Right. And I mentioned if that same movie, but the premise was Rolling Stones, and he plays like for his friends, and his friends would be like, that's that's good, and then like eh, a little samey. Wasn't didn't you already play that?

SPEAKER_04 31:14

Didn't you play that?

SPEAKER_05 31:15

Like, oh, are you doing country now? Are you doing like a jug band thing? Which I gotta admit, Rolling Stones fucking does the worst country. They do the worst, like blues.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

You know, around Beggar's Banquet, they kind of go their separate way. They say, like, you know what, we're not this. And you know, as much as I am Beatles to my core, I think the Beatles really, in retrospect, are very soft. Beatles are very softies. The hardest you get is like John's on heroin singing, I'm so lonely, I wanna die. Paul's singing, Martha, my dear. Yeah, they're not they're not fuck songs. But Rolling Stones are kind of like, no, we're we're gonna we're gonna fuck. Like, yo, we're leaning into this counterculture thing. We're gonna we're gonna start fucking, and all our music's gonna be about fucking and be raw, and we're not gonna care if it's not good. Keith Richards starts tuning his guitar to Open G, it's called, and he removes a string. He doesn't even need the sixth string because he can do it all basically with one finger with this tuning. And he sticks to that basically for the rest of their career. You know, I think that Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers are two really, really great albums from almost front to back.

SPEAKER_05 32:40

I've I've listened to the Rolling Stones every couple years or so.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:46

Like I don't do the hits because I really because I don't like the open G, I hate that like brown sugar and sure. Uh that shit sounds the same.

SPEAKER_04 32:56

Like, I honestly very same.

SPEAKER_05 32:58

It takes me 10 seconds almost to like for it to become a different song. Right.

SPEAKER_04 33:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:05

Yeah, that open G fucking Keith Richards. Like, I would love even if even if the Rolling Stones tried more, so capable of wonderful music, but you can just tell that they'd fucking show up to the studio with some like strange women and like they got nothing. They are just wasting studio time. Like so high out of their minds. And that and that's how you get like honky tongue woman, or uh I saw okay, so three years ago, I saw Cocksucker Blues, which is the exile on Main Street. It's it is so long and boring of them just doing drugs, and you can sort of hear, like, like Charlie Watts wants to get started. Like, he kind of wants to. Charlie Watts, like, I I feel Ringo was probably like, hey, bud, just bring some comics, bring something to read, and cash the checks.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

This is good how it goes. Trust me, and I've done this before. Do they record all their albums without you too? They don't? Oh no. What have I done?

SPEAKER_05 34:21

They value you. Uh then you learn that some of their best parts or songs that people love, they because they brought in uncredited people. Or yeah, they had to dust off some shit. Uh like Billy Preston. Like, what are you doing? Stealing from the that was the that was George Harrison's idea. Get Billy Preston.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

Like, you guys are uh or the the place where I will give them credit is they are just kind of this more laissez-faire rock and roll. We're doing it to be rock and roll at at this point in the in the 70s.

SPEAKER_05 35:04

They had a good run from yeah, sticky fingers or uh no, let it bleed.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Yeah, I'd say Beggar's Banquet. I I like some of their Satanic Majesty's requests, but I like Beggar's Banquet. Let it bleed, sticky fingers, exile.

SPEAKER_05 35:20

But like, okay, so I think Beggar's Banquet is Scorsese era Rolling Stones. I like the the Wes Anderson Rolling Stones. I think a lot of people like the Scorsese Rolling Stones.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Sure.

SPEAKER_05 35:36

That's that's the best way I can put that.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

And I think that even the fact that it is the Scorsese Rolling Stones, that era of Rolling Stones does feel like shitty Times Square, dangerous, riding the subway, and it's not safe. It does feel like they're leaning into just being more rock and roll. And, you know, at this point, they have outlasted the Beatles. They basically came onto the scene right after the Beatles, and now they're still going. They didn't have that need for perfectionism hanging over their heads, and maybe that's why they have stayed a band for so long, but I want to I wanna I want to bench that for now because I want to come back to it. Black and blue, mid-70s. It's kind of the beginning of the the redefining of the Rolling Stones. And they're starting to kind of become a parody of themselves. They're putting on a show, and they're they're over it. Like they're definitely over it. This is where Start Me Up was recorded. As a reggae song, they were trying to do a reggae song because we know the stones in the 70s really got into like kind of appropriating a little bit. They loved American blues. They were like, well, let's see what Jamaica's got going on. And so they're trying to make a reggae song, and it was called Never Stop. Um, it's I have I I listened to all the different versions that you can find of it. It's bad, it's somehow not at all reggae, which is interesting to me. I was when I was picturing it was gonna be reggae, I was picturing like full on reggae, and I was like, eh, maybe that could work. They just could not figure it out. They couldn't figure out what it was gonna be about, and so it just got abandoned and then some girls came out and then Emotional Rescue came out, which I actually really love as a Rolling Stones album. I think it's so fun, but it's definitely like what we think of today as the Rolling Stones. Like it's the full-on Mick Jagger is a front man who's kind of a spastic dancer, and the rest of kind of vamping the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 37:54

His voice is a little weird, like he's doing different, a different, like a higher voice or like uh I I know it, yeah. The the chicken dancing and the it kind of I feel I I feel like sticky fingers goes right into the emotion, yeah, it's called emotional rescue, yeah. Emotional rescue. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

Um that that recording session was so productive that they had just recorded a ton of shit. And they basically had all of the bones for tattoo you, but they were missing something. This is the conversation that we've had over and over again. We're missing something. And one of the engineers was like, Well, you're about to go on this tour. Maybe we should look through some of the archival stuff to see if there's anything that will like help support the tour. So they found never stop, and they're like, Oh, yeah, that was good. And so they brought it back out, you know. Keith's doing his two chords, and I do want to stop right here and say, iconic intro. You hear three notes, and you oh no, no, no, you that's all you need to hear. You know what the song is.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

I think right off the bat with can't get no satisfaction that's what I'm saying. Yeah, bigging you fucking, they getting you fucking.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Yeah, they they they know what they're doing, yeah. And so they start reworking this, and six hours, front to back, they record start me up in in the can, as they say. And it goes on to become a giant smash for them. Now it's the thing that they open all of their conscience with. It went to number two on the billboard, which the song that it got stuck behind was the Arthur theme.

SPEAKER_05 39:46

Ooh, um uh Between the Moon and New York City?

SPEAKER_02 39:50

Best I Can Do, or whatever it's called. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 39:52

Christopher Cross. Can be caught between the moon and New York City. The best that you can do. It's called Yeah. What was the um what was the Arthur II song? Look that up. I think it was so similar.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

I just love that that really speaks to what 1981 America was like. That Christopher Cross, Arthur Theme. Listen, Rolling Stones. You wrote a great song, but it is not knocking Arthur Theme off the top of the charts.

SPEAKER_05 40:23

We can't give up this moon in New York City. Hold on, let me see what the Arthur II song was. Uh it's just as good. I get it confused with the um with the Tootsie song. Like, I'm telling you, it might be to all of mine.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

I love how Tootsie has two themes. There's the like one that like name checks Tootsie, and then there's that one.

unknown 40:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:50

No, no, and Moon in New York City, there's a verse that says, Arthur, he does with what he pleases. All of his, yeah, like uh Arthur, he does what he pleases. You could have said anything else, and that would be a uh an evergreen song.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

But you would Yeah, but would it have stayed at number one on the charts? This is the real question. You might just be asking the wrong questions. Yeah, all those movies have the exact same vibe. Yeah, it's amazing. Now we're really in MTV territory, and so they shoot a music video for this, which is really something. And you if you haven't seen it, you gotta go watch it because it's it's funny to me to think that anybody thought that that's what we should do for a music video back then.

SPEAKER_05 41:43

I'll admit I added a couple seconds to the poll because I want to show so much of that video. So Keith Richards it looks like he always does, layers and scarves, and Charlie Watts is wearing like a collared shirt under a V-neck sweater, like like very business casual. And Mick Jagger's wearing a like a purple sleeveless top and like white Aladdin pants. It's kind of and he's basically doing aerobics.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Yeah, it feels like a strange aerobics video. But that's that's what I mean. Like at this point, I feel like they themselves are doing the characters of the Rolling Stones. This is what people know. Like, Mick is kind of this flamboyant chicken man, and then Keith Richards is uh the embodiment of Steven Tyler's microphone stand as a human being. And yeah, Charlie Watts is the businessman, he's the salary man, and then Ronnie Wood's just kind of the poor man's Rod Stewart.

SPEAKER_05 42:56

He came way late, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:58

He came later, but he's been on at this point, he's been on for most of the years.

SPEAKER_05 43:02

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh it's so weird that Paul McCartney has had the same band like three times as long as he was with the Beatles.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

Right.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

He has spent a long part of his life with that cool black drummer.

SPEAKER_04 43:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:20

I should learn their names because he's been with them way longer than the Beatles. But anyway, uh, they yeah, the Rolling Stones is made up of replacements. I find Mick Jagger kind of cool. I like him way more than I like Keith Richards. I liked Brian, whatever, before he died, you know, the guy uh um he was fired like very early, like within the first couple albums, and then he died like within that week, like the same week.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

And it was a bad week.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Some days later, yeah. Some weeks, you have. Uh but anyway, um yeah, he was probably kind of the most helpful, most probably got them started more. But uh yeah, I like I like Mick Jagger. Like before he became the Mick Jagger, we're talking about Start Me Up is basically start the Rolling Stones up as a a band that you don't even need to worry about anymore.

SPEAKER_02 44:31

Right. Yeah. I mean, very much so, like they have almost another 15 albums past this album, and you'd be hard pressed to name a single song. Uh, you know, I think that there comes a point where similar to Bon Jovi, except for the fact that Bon Jovi never knew his band. This is a band that did grow up together, but they have at some point decided we don't like each other, but we're just gonna still do this just simply for the money. And we'll keep putting out albums, but we know people don't really want to hear it. And they very much treat it like a corporation. When I was seeing Shine a Light, I was like, oh, they're I they don't care, they're just doing it for the music. And then since then I've been like, oh no, they're just doing it as a business. The Rolling Stones is just a business.

SPEAKER_05 45:30

Oh yeah, like I people knew of the of the logo before they knew most of their music. Like I I've I don't think I cannot think of another band that had a logo. Um right. I if if I ever were in a Rolling Stones cover band, I would call it Tongue and Lips or like Tongue and Lips logo. Um that'd be good.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Yeah, tongue and lips logo.

SPEAKER_05 45:58

Yeah. Okay, so I feel like Start Me Up, it definitely had a a late pop in the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 46:08

Like it had a You're probably referring to the fact that Microsoft bought Start Me Up to launch their Windows campaign. It was the first time that a Rolling Stone song had ever been licensed. They paid$3 million for it. And yeah, that definitely did give the Stones another pop. The the last thing I want to say, even though it never got to number one, um, it did set a record for longest song high up on the charts. 13 weeks atop the Billboard charts, wasn't toppled until Stone Temple Pilots Interstate Love Song.

SPEAKER_05 46:48

So it had two moments. I was surprised to learn that it was earlier than I thought. Because it was so prominent during the 90s. No, you've got to admit, I didn't completely shred the Rolling Stones. I had valid points, not just like I don't like them. Like if they had put in more effort and I'm just saying, this song came out shortly after John Lennon was assassinated. They were probably afraid to put this out while he was alive. He would not have stood for this. He already didn't like them at this point. They were afraid of him. Like, even probably John Lennon even could hear hear it being purchased for commercials like 20 years later. The Rolling Stones miss me with the Rolling Stones.

SPEAKER_04 47:48

Perfect.

SPEAKER_05 47:49

All right, when we come back, we're gonna give you the results of these two songs. So stick around.

SPEAKER_04 48:01

Okay, fine. If the Dodgers go all the way, there's deer Jack FM will go all the way with you. Promise.

SPEAKER_05 48:07

We're back. What is that from? Exorcist? No, poltergeist?

SPEAKER_02 48:12

They're back. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, it has to be uh poltergeist.

SPEAKER_05 48:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

I think.

SPEAKER_05 48:18

Never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

It's great. You should see it.

SPEAKER_05 48:21

So, all right. We've got Green Days When I Come Around. Rolling Stones Start Me Up. We do have a voicemail, but they asked not to play it. Respect that, but you still get the vote. I'll tell you who later.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

It was Steven Spielberg, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 48:40

It was Bill Gates. Uh I I don't really uh my name has been in the news a lot lately, but I I do want to say that uh I am I'm still trying to earn back from those uh the money I spent on Start Me Up. So uh uh that is my choice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

And I don't think uh people in Africa should have children. Okay, bye. Big fan. Bye. Okay, I'm I'm sorry. Well, my final thoughts are I really dislike this song. It is Jack FM just because I feel like you make a grown man cry is it's a fuck song. Sure. And Jack FM's not afraid of those. It is so it's so ubiquitous. Like Jack FM will play the massive ones. I would say like like the earliest Jack FM goes would be can't always get what you want or sympathy, nah. What's the other Scorsese song, though like Gimme Shelter? Like it sounds like a hurricane. Yeah, give me shelter. Okay. I don't even know if they play that on Jack FM.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

I don't think so. That doesn't sound like anything they'd be interested in. I'd say Miss You would probably be Jack FM. I'm uh this one I had a hard time because I do feel like in terms of Jack FM playability, when I come around, has that intro. I've definitely heard it on Jack FM, but I want to give it a little bit more credit to the song. Um, I think that Start Me Up checks a lot of the boxes of the Jack Doctrine. You know, it's kind of a second act, even though they're not going away. They are now kind of leaning into their characters of the Rolling Stones. Um, it can't argue that it's a memorable intro. It's kind of, yeah, for the masses, it's it's less good. It's not a it's not a song I like. It's not it, I guess it's not being snarky or it's just very basic. It's just exactly what is being said is what you should expect of the song. You know, I think that that's why sports teams probably like it. It's just like, oh yeah, let's let's get the game going. Uh I don't want to have to I don't want to have to try to have a deep conversation with my sports friends. Uh just start the game. Like I don't want to have to like actually find it. I really don't want to share anything. I've already talked about teams, I've already talked about players, and I've already talked about cars. So let's yeah, let's get it going.

SPEAKER_05 51:18

Yeah. They have not seen Tosh Point O. Uh, let's, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

Um, so I think this week my vote was for Start Me Up for those reasons, even though I think that when I come around, the song that I probably have actually heard more on a Jack at Penn radio station.

SPEAKER_05 51:39

You're going with Start Me Up.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

I'm going with Start Me Up. I don't really expect much of that, but that was just going through the Jack Doctrine and I was like, well, these boxes are checked, and so I went I went that way.

SPEAKER_05 51:50

Okay, so Start Me Up did have a pretty good well ultimately, okay, so with 61.54% of the vote. When I come around wins, I would have picked that. I, yes, it's perfect Jack. It's crunchy, it's not, it's alternative, and it's from the era where Gen X and Millennials will love it. Um, hell, maybe even a boomer was like, ooh, this, what is this? Um, they wouldn't have been like that with Basket Case. And so anyway, yeah, Green Day, when I come around, 61.54% of the vote. Start Me Up got 38.46% of the vote. It was a bigger lead for Green Day, but that's last time I put out the poll, it was a large showing for Start Me Up. All right, that was a very nice conversation. Nice conversation. Thank you all for listening. Please vote in the polls on our Instagram account at JacticalMagic. Yeah, you can vote on Instagram, and you can call and leave us a voicemail at 424-666-1711, which gives you an extra vote for that week. Call us, leave us a voicemail, tell us about it. That gives you twice the voting power. And please email us something at jacticlemagic at gmail.com. Everything will be in the show notes.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

Okay. So next week's matchup, match twelve, we've got the clash. Should I stay or should I go? Very nice. Uh versus Dexties Midnight Runner, come on, I leave.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

Interesting to choose the but intro, not the no, that was the like pre-chorus. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

So please come back next week. Join us then while we discuss those two songs. And uh yeah, for now, I'm Cooper Willis.

SPEAKER_05 54:38

I'm Amelia Skinel, and this has been Jactical Magic. Goodbye.

SPEAKER_02 54:43

Goodbye.