The truth about working in Disablity/Aged Care and the NDIS.

In this weeks episode, Tammie chats with Julie @julieunruly who is a Disablity Support worker and Tiktoker. They discuss Disability Support jobs and the NDIS.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Thank you for joining me, Julie. No worries. Look all right. Looking forward to it. Oh, good, good, good. Me too. Me too. So, um, for people who might not know you yet, you're Julie Unruly on TikTok. Right? Yes, I am. Yes. Okay, beautiful. And um, talk to me a bit about your background in disability and aged care.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Okay, well, I originally was a graphic artist, believe it or not. But then after I had children, I needed a a local job. So I just answered an ad for a local nursing home and I started working there, and that was like oh, 1998, I suppose. And I started doing nursing and I loved it. But it it's hard. It's hard on your back. It's a lot different now. Um, but it was hard then because there might have been only one uh hoist for the whole building, and you just end up, you know, doing the wrong thing. Now you cannot do that. You have to use hoists, and they all have ceiling hoists and stuff now, so it's a lot better. But um, yeah, I started that. Then um I started working for an agency, so I had the aged care job, and then I started working for an agency, and I did that for 10 years. So I was juggling jobs. Uh so agency and working. Aged care. Yep, yep, okay. Yep, so yeah, because they sort of cut shifts, they muck around with the shifts all the time. And um, yeah, so I started doing agency work. Then I just sort of stopped the aged care when just full-on agency. And my kids were growing up then, so I was doing like, you know, 20 hours a week or something. Yeah. And then I needed a full-time job. So I got a full-time job at a day program. And I've been there 14 years. There you go. There I am. I'm still there. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Yes. We'll talk about that a little bit later, but I just wanted to get your opinion on the Pete Zed and Drew Pavlu video. Yeah, I know. If you're watching this podcast, go and see it. It's very, very eye-opening. Some are calling it controversial. I don't know how the truth is controversial, but they expose a lot of the fraud in the NDIS sector.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Yes. But only two people I've seen are saying it's controversial, saying that they're not um qualified journalists and what have you, but who cares? They got it out there.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Well, what what makes a qualified journalist? That's right. That's right. To be fair, just because someone's got a degree, it doesn't mean that they're a qualified journalist.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

And they're they're they're um Yeah, they're popular YouTubers. So they are. They are that they can get it out there more than say four corners, because nobody watches nobody watches TV. No one watches mainstream TV anymore. They watch YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

Well, see, that's the thing. I mean, if this is the way that these people can get the message across and make Australians aware of what's going on, what's the difference between mainstream media and YouTube? Right? There are there are millionaires that are on YouTube and people that just watch mainstream media would have no idea. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

And I'm so glad, I'm so glad because taxpayers should be outraged. I mean, we've all known it, we've all known it for ages, um, people in the sector. Yeah we know about the rotting, but I'm so glad that they brought it to light and actually confronted some of these scammers.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Like you see the scene where they go into one of the facilities or the offices, I think in Fairfield, and the lady straight away jumps out and starts hammering them and is screaming. And if that isn't a sign that these people are dodging the system. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

And they they um physically abuse them and yelled out, you're a retard. And you can't use that language. No, I just used it and I felt terrible. I know, right? Yes, but how can you say that when you run a disability provider's service? No, you can't.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

It can't be believed. This is the thing, and I guess I need to, you know, I'm a disability support recruiter, that's one of my specialties. But the thing is, um, I only see it from a recruitment point of view, right? And I know how many dodgy people have gotten jobs in disability support.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Right. And it's getting worse by the day. I can't believe who walks through doors. Um and expect a job just by the way they're dressed. Yes. Uh alone.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

You're just like you're coming and that's what's happening out there.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

People don't understand. Yeah, you're coming for a walkthrough for a job, and you're dressed like that. No, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Yeah. No, it's an absolute joke.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

I know, especially when your employer is probably you know in their 50s. Yep. You know, you gotta you gotta you gotta think. You gotta think, you know, um, uh, how would I be hired? No, I've gotta dress properly. Gotta have an iron, ironed shirt, please. Yeah, yeah. I know. Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

But um do you think the public really understands how the NDIS really works?

SPEAKER_00 5:52

No, no, because um you've got uh people on TikTok and Instagram and all that are making out that support work is lovely and it's all coffee dates. And uh I'm sorry, but it's not. It's so far from that. There are coffee dates and those lucky people have them, but um quiet coffee date and a quiet walk in the park is not what it's about, you know. You've got before you even go out for that coffee date, you've got to um uh prepare your client for that or a group of clients. Uh you've got all these behaviors and toileting and getting um bags packed, because they all have meal plans now. So you've got to follow these meal plans to the letter, or you are in trouble. And it you've got all that before you even get to have coffee. And then you've got to sit there and not have a moment while you're having coffee.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

So Well, let me ask you this, okay? So I see this from uh a recruiter's point of view and also a human, okay? I'm sure you've seen it where the support worker's out in public, not in uniform, they're on their phones, scrolling on their phones, they're talking while the participant or the client is there. Yeah doesn't matter if they're paying attention or not. I'm a firm believer that if you're a support worker, you should have a uniform.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

You know what? I I I much rather wear a uniform. And I've I've been wearing a a uniform for a long time now. Yeah. And it just it keeps you accountable. So if people see you on your phone or doing the wrong thing, I can tell you, people ring up and dop. They will.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

And I've seen it. Yes. I've seen it, you've seen it. And the thing is, it's um, you know, I'm out and about with my three-year-old, so I'm not going to have a confrontation with anyone while I'm with my son. He's my priority. Yeah. However, if I'd seen the uniform and been able to take a photo, or even just seen the uniform and call, get in the car and call and say who's out at this spot at this time, because they're not paying attention to their client. They're not they're not watching over them. They're they're on the phone. I saw another one where the client was faced towards the wall. Yes. Right? Um, and the support worker was on the phone scrolling.

unknown 8:31

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

That's not what this job is about. I have seen some doozies. Even just leave it, leaving them alone and then going over and getting something from a shop that's meters away. Yep. And it's like, oh my God, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

But on the on the flip side though, then you do get really lovely ones and people that actually genuinely care about their clients or participants and do the right thing and make sure that we're talking to the client, not to the support worker.

unknown 9:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

And all of that. There are beautiful people in there. Say as well that sometimes you need to be using your phone too, because you might be having to look up, because everything's online now. So I might have to look up a feeding plan. Yep. Can this person have uh coke? Can this do I need to put thickener in it? That's sort of I better see how thick because there's all, you know, mild, thick, very thick, you know. Um, do I need to use a straw? You know, sometimes you forget, or you've got so many clients you just can't remember. So you might have to look up on your phone. So the general public need to keep that in mind too. Or you could be looking up something for them, like some craft craft project or gardening project. Um so don't be too quick to to jump on support workers because they may they may be doing something, you're looking up an episode, epilepsy plan or something. Yeah. That is very true. Um, I mean no one's ever I mean, I'm not on my phone unless I had to be. But yeah, yeah. And no one's ever come come up to me and told me I'm doing a bad job. I've only ever had people like want to shout us coffees and stuff like that. Oh, that's lovely. Oh yes. I live in a lovely area where people are just beautiful. Yeah, yeah. So um they're like, oh, you're wonderful, you know, like, no, I'm doing a job, actually. I'm not wonderful. I get paid for this. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah, fair enough. Yes, yes. That's lovely. That's absolutely lovely. Which um which I will say, so if anyone wants to get into disability support work, yes, there are pros and cons. Yes. Where do you think they should start if they've got no experience whatsoever? They've just finished their certificate in maybe community services or individual support. Where do you think they should start or how do you think they should start?

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Well, it's very difficult now because you have visa holders of flooded in, right? So I did read a stat where there's 60% of support workers are visa holders. Right. So it's just I'll look that up. Yeah. Yeah, look it up, look it up because I I didn't double check it. But um if that's the case, it's very hard to get a job. What you need to do is have your cert three and go to a nursing home. Start work in a nursing home first, get your experience there, then move on to support work where where it's more money. If you're being paid correctly, that's a whole other story. And that's a bee in my bonnet too.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Well, in so in saying that as well, how can support workers differentiate legitimate and non-legitimate NDIS businesses?

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Um, by their vibe. Okay, so like Drew and Pete's video, there was a whole bunch of red flags just in that video. Do your research on the company. Um check the non-compliance. Yeah. Yeah. Check the the non-compliance register on the NDIS website. Uh ask around. Just do your research. Uh because there's it when I look on C I look on Seek all the time, and um the same companies advertise constantly. The same I don't, I I don't you probably can shed some light on as to why.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Because it's such a high turnover industry.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Right? It's a high turnover industry. A lot of the time the right people aren't applying. What does the right people mean? People with excellent communication skills. Sometimes, even though, as you said before, there are visa holders in the market, which is normal, a lot of these jobs are permanent part-time. So if you don't have permanent working rights, it's extremely hard to land a permanent job. Um, there's also not having the right people, but also this industry is an industry where a lot of support workers end up on work cover. Which is a double-edged sword. They end up in one work cover and then so they can't work their job because they're on work cover. But then because of the health tests with other support work or industry work within the industry, then they can't get another job because they're still on work cover. Yes. Right? It is an industry, as you said before, it's not just flowers and taking people outside. It can be quite dangerous, it can be physically dangerous, it can be mentally dangerous. I mean, I'll speak about it because I can. Uh interviewing people that are disability support workers, the stories I've heard is being pinned down to the floor. Rape attempts in a shower. Yep. Uh, another one was someone's uh trying to rip off ears, like bite bite them.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Oh, yes. Do not ever as a support worker. One hot tip do not wear dangly earrings. Okay, yeah or jewellery in general. Yeah. Just don't.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

It's just a it's a target. It is a target. But the thing is as well, there are people out there who I think are angels that walk amongst us that are made for this job, that love this job, and they flourish and they do the right thing and they go home genuinely feeling rewarded. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

And that's people out there like that. There's a lot less people like that now. But it's formulas and less. Yes, because it's become such a money maker. Yes. That yet we're getting the wrong kind of people. And also people treat it now as a side hustle, not as a proper career. Yep. So you've got people that'll want to do one or two days as a support worker, but they're working in a florist at the other day, or they're doing something else. And then it's tough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

It looks like it's easy money. Yeah.

unknown 15:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

So they're it's um support work that they decide to leave because it's hard work.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

It's hard work. It's not for everybody. It's incredibly hard. Yeah. You know, and when you're when you're in a recruitment point of view or you know, you're being instructed by your business partners and your managers, yes, when people are on the phone asking more about the job, shed it in a positive light. Right? So if you're if you're in, if you're wanting to get into support work, there are some cues that you can pick up on when recruiters are asking you questions. Things like, have you worked with heightened behaviors?

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

What that means is exactly that heightened behaviors, someone that can get aggressive, someone that can get physically aggressive. And even though if you haven't, if you're willing to, or if you've got experience in another industry, a lot of people that have done bar work can work as disability support workers. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Yep, right. Who are great hairdressers and beauticians are recruiting hairdressers as well. Fabulous support workers.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Yep, of course, of course. But it it look, it's not it isn't a job for everyone, but it is hard, but it's also rewarding for the right people. But let me ask you this. You were around before the NDIS. Yes, I was. Do you think disability would be better in government hands rather than subcontract subcontracting the money out to private contractors? Uh well.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

The solution would be to have everyone registered. Yes. Uh, I suppose, and regulated, like really regulated. Um now registration costs apparently like$9,000 or something for a small provider, so it's very unaffordable. So they need to change that. And you need reg regulation and compliance and constantly being checked and audited. Um and why we don't have that, I do not know, because there's so much money going through these providers.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

You know, you've got people that then there's no um like the NDIA doesn't do compliance like random compliance checks or audits or anything like that? Not not on non-registered.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Uh, right, okay. They're not audited. No. They don't even pay. A lot of them don't even pay their wages correctly, they don't pay their super correctly to their own.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Okay, so how do they how do the non-registered ones then become support works providers?

SPEAKER_00 18:02

I don't know how it works. I honestly do not know. Uh any anyone can become a provider. Right. It's there the there's providers out there that have never done support work or nursing or anything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

They're just businesses overnight. No, I didn't care. I'm I'm gonna look into that. That's um Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Yeah, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Crazy stuff. And that's why you see um I think it was that Drew and Pete. That were they were they're in a Lamborghini or whatever and they're getting out going, I'm an NDIS provider. Oh yeah, it's attracting the wrong people. It is really is it is and that has to stop, you know. It does. But when I first started, uh the providers were basically church-based or uh uh not for profit. Yeah, yeah. So that's what I work for is not for profit. And um uh you see not you see them also doing the wrong thing too, mind you. And you just have to look on the non-compliance register to see that as well. Um because oh, there's a long list on that, you know, on that list. There's a lot of people. Um Yeah, so that's all it used to be. And and they and that it was easily regulated back in block funding days, you know, that the money went straight to the provider, the b all their money, all their money. So there was a big pool and they sort of dished out um activities and this goes to a wheelchair, this goes to uh community access, this goes to respite, you know, there's just all they just pulled it out. And it may not have been good and fair. Yeah. But there was no roting. Because all the money was with a certain amount of providers and it was just easy to check.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Where the difference now is the money is with the participant.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

It's with the participant. A lot of them are self-managed and cannot manage that amount of money.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Okay, so let me ask this question then. And I know people are gonna take this the wrong way, but I don't mean it. I'm just asking because I'm curious. So you're telling me that if someone isn't at full mental capacity, they're managing their own NDIS money, is that right?

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Uh well, their family would. Their family would, which also poses other risks too. Yes. Family guardians, yeah. Guardians. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Because it just seems like no, whichever way you look at it, it doesn't seem like we can fix this problem. No. No.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

It's kicked out. Unless they throw it, throw it in the bin and start again. So it started off good. In 2013, it started off well, there were teething problems. A lot of companies closed closed down in your area in Newcastle. A lot of companies closed down because they just stock centre. Yes. Yes. Big, big, big companies because they just couldn't manage, they just couldn't manage the money. They couldn't manage how to do it, you know. Um, yeah, and we were worried. I remember being, oh God, how are we gonna go? But we got through it. Yeah. The company I work for. And um, yeah, so it started off teething problems, then got good, then got bad. But as soon as they started letting in uh unregistered providers and any what any member of the public can start up their own business in the industry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Any anyone. Because I worked for I was only there for a year as a contract role at Cerebral Palsy Alliance. Yeah. Previously, excuse me. The bad language, but that's what it used to be called the Spastic Center. Because I'm originally from the Northern Beaches in Sydney. Yep. Which they changed it to Cerebral Pause Alliance. Yep. They're a big not-for-profit. They do science research and all of that and heavily regulated. But it is very worrying that it goes to smaller people that are that have sinister. Yes. You know, they it's just about the money. And these type of jobs isn't just about the money. You know, it's like you find the best doctors don't just do it because of the money. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_00 22:29

And now and now a Ferrari drives by and you think, oh, that guy's an NDIS provider. As a joke. You know, you're joking, but you're not joking. You know, it's it's probably it's probably true.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Probably true. Well, I want to go to the next subject. Let's talk about safety for support workers. How do you think the industry is handling safety at the moment? Or do you think the industry is safe right now?

SPEAKER_00 23:00

No, the industry is not safe. Probably it could be safer. Probably won't ever be 100% safe because of the kind you know, behaviors and what have you. Um it depends on who you're working for, really. And their checks and balances. Um somebody I know has just quit a job because uh they went into um somebody's house who it was in total squalor. Um ice addict uh psychosis. Oh dear. No paperwork, no nothing, dodgy provider. And you know, stuff happens. You know, you you you are really you've really got to be on the ball that someone could jump on you as soon as you walk in the door. That doesn't happen very often, of course, but um it can happen. And you know, we saw that um support support worker in Logan, I think it was. Um her life was taken. Uh yes, yes. Uh allegedly. Yep, allegedly by a client.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

That's terrible. But let's talk about um the supported independent living, so SEAL home. So for people that are watching, there's different types of disability support. We have homes where house people with disabilities and support workers work with them, you know, rotating shifts and all of that. But what are your thoughts on clients having criminal backgrounds?

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Uh I I honestly think if they've got criminal backgrounds it's it's hard because everyone's entitled to NDI uh the scheme. Okay, yeah. Um they're entitled to, you know, if you've got disability, you're entitled to tons. Um but I I think that corrections need to probably take on more responsibility there. Um and have the right, the correct people dealing with those people, with dangerous, dangerous criminals, because we've we've seen a few things now where dangerous criminals um have gotten themselves into big trouble and hurt people. They have.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

They have. And just from their workers. Yeah. Yeah. And just from the people that I speak to, there are sex offenders that go from home to home to home. So can you imagine, you know, people in their early kids in their early 20s, they are kids, they're young.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Having to deal with this. Yes, possibly being a victim.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Yes. And and they should be under there are companies that do forensic support work. Okay, yep. Uh therapeutic support work is called one of those. And um but sometimes these people do not have those kind of support workers, and they're just with independent support workers. There's one sex offender um advertising for in the newspaper. In the old-fashioned newspaper for support workers. And for young women. You wanted young women.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Which is almost I mean, technically it's discrimination. Mm-hmm. Technically, it's discrimination. However, uh it the lines are blurred when it comes to therapeutic care. That's right. Um, I mean, you know, being if you're in a private hospital, you can ask for the for female nurses and the such. Yes. But you've got to be very careful, read the job ads properly. Yes. Read between the lines. Yeah. Um Do you think that social media or TikTok has changed the way disability voices are heard?

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Yes. Yes. Good and bad. So um good, like you've got a lot of participants now on TikTok and Instagram and that's having their say, which is fantastic. Yep. Yep. Yep. And you've got support workers like myself giving tips and tricks, whether you like it or not, and my thoughts and opinions and whatever. And then you've got other people that don't know what they're talking about. No, they don't. And and look, you've got to be choosy with what um information you listen to.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Very much so.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

And I'm not saying I'm right. I'm very old school. Um X, is that right? I'm Gen X. Gen X, yep. Yep. So um, yeah, so back from block funding days to now. And and I've chang I have changed, but I do see where, you know, we've got a you know, choice and control and what have you. And um it doesn't always work, choice and control, because you have a duty of care as well. Yes. And uh just saying, oh, oh, so and so's not having a shower today, um, that's their choice. And you know, and if this goes on for three months, well, there's a duty of care there to get them in the shower, you know. You know, and then if they're if something happens to their to their health and it declines, well, you're gonna get in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

No, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. Um what's the funniest thing that's happened to you since becoming a disability content creator?

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Oh my god, the funniest. Um, I get look, I get DMs from people all the time. Do tell them with their little little stories. And oh one young lady, um, her brother, like she had a dodgy support company provider. So her brother went and just dumped a whole truckload of rubbish on their front lawn. Oh my god. I would have loved to have seen it. And this is when I was doing a live one night. Oh no. This young lady and her friend both had the same support worker. So the two families teamed up. Yeah. But not support worker, support provider. And they just dumped all this stuff, called the cops, all that. They got arrested and they got deported. Jesus. Um, but yeah, it was funny. You can't do that. Because I'm on I'm live. I I'm live. And she's telling me this as it's happening, and it did happen. It did happen. But she's okay now. She's got a good good provider, and she's out bathist or something now, she told me, because she's been in touch recently, saying she's all good. The other provider got deported. But they stole copious amounts of money from these two ladies.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

And they just decided to dump all rubbish.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

Yeah, a brother had a truck or something, and he thought, I'm just I'm gonna, I'm gonna this is payback, I'm sick of it.

unknown 30:37

Did that.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

There you go.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

That's hilarious. Yes. Um, well, Jules, that's all I've got for you today. Have you got anything else for me you want to chat about?

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Um, yeah, how do you how do you know when somebody's good? I think you did sort of touch on it. Um because you know like a patient, uh caring person.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

You know, how do you think you've got to get a vibe off someone? You must be all on look, I'm gonna take my glasses off, right? So as a nursing recruiter, as a disability recruiter, this is where AI isn't gonna take this aspect of recruitment. I've got to sit there and look you in the eye and make sure that you're not gonna harm my patient or my clients. Okay, so how do you know someone's good? Yes, it's the vibes, it's your gut feeling, but sometimes people interview very, very well. They tell you what you want to hear, and it's a matter of not necessarily liking the person, but seeing that they're going to be good for the job. Yeah. Right. So you I mean, yes, you can do all the things that I say on TikTok, be prepared, do your research. But with disability, it's it is more about the personality and it's more about their, yes, it's about their empathy and compassion, but also being a little bit assertive too, because you have to advocate for the clients. That's right, yes. You can't just sit there and take and be like, oh yeah, no, well, um, the doctor didn't come today, I'm just gonna go home. Right. Yes, don't and everyone should go home when they should go home, but you need to follow up, make sure that they're in it for the right reasons. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

And and the person needs um they need some creativity as well. Um you know, not someone that's just gonna sit there and want to be on their phone, but someone who will get crafty things out and start doing craft and puzzles and um something.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Because it can be a long shift if it's it is, and also helping them with their abilities, not just doing everything for them. Yeah, that's right. Like, yeah, yep, yep. Because every everyone's got different abilities and that's fine. It's like you know, and I remember um when I was at Cerebral Palsy, there was a gentleman where their support workers helped him climb the harbour bridge, right? And to me, I thought that was the best thing in the world for him because heights terrifying me, right? But whatever floats anyone's boat, but that's a good support worker. Yes. That's a good support worker wanting the best for your client. It's that's right. It's more than just a job. Even though the job gives you boundaries as it should, it is more than just a job. And the ones that actually, you know, really think about it, they have done their research, you can you can tell. I've had phone calls from people where well I've rung them to do a phone interview and they've said, I just want a job. Like, but this isn't just a job. And I get I get offended when I say that, when they say that to me, because it's your job to sit there and look after this patient. Sorry, not look after this patient, look after this client, do everything in their best interests. This isn't just a job. And so when they say that to me, it really pisses me off because you're in the you're in it for the wrong reasons. That's right. Disrespecting the clients.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

That's right. They money. It's their money, their funding. Yeah, right. How dare they just treat it like, oh, it's just a job. It's just a job. It's not just more than that. Yeah, it's it's not way more than that. Yeah, absolutely. And you find And and that's what's happening now because people treat it like a side hustle.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

It just it's there's it's not money. I'll just be a support worker. I'll go work on a Sunday and get 75 bucks an hour, which is good money. And it they should be paid good money for what they do because it's an incredibly hard job. But it's not just about the money. That's right. That's it, and all jobs are just about the money. Yeah, disability isn't one of them. But um, yeah, I mean, I could go on all day. Maybe we'll do another podcast. Oh, any time we'll do another podcast. Any time. But um, I think that should help people a little bit. If you've got any questions for us, send me a comment, send me an email. But um, it was lovely speaking to you as always. I'll see you on TikTok, follow Julie at Julie Unruly. Yes, follow me.