EP 11: German Airshow Madness & Politics!

Josh & Nick are back from their travels. In today's episode we chat about what we have experienced in the past weeks, including Lufthansa strikes, flying Russian planes in Uzbekistan and how we are being invited to the World's oldest Airshow in Berlin... but we also talk about how Germany can't do an airshow without being Strangely German.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Guys, hello and welcome to your favorite aviation podcast. Salam alaikum. Salam alaikum alaikum. Salam man.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

You're from Frankfurt. Yeah, it's summering in Frankfurt. The trees are green again. Everybody's happy again. How are you feeling? I feel amazing.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

You know what? I love summer in Germany. Yeah, it's green. In Europe, so it's such a good time. It's green. It's people are happy.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

Everyone is just in a great mood. And I think it's going to be a good summer as well. Because we're going to have the World Cup. I know you don't care about football. No, I don't. We're going to have uh high gas prices. So people will walk and take the bicycle and people will go hiking. True. And uh people will not fly as well because everything is so expensive. Yeah. Um, but it's been almost a month.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

It's been almost a month. I think the last uh podcast was together with Noah Phillips. In Houston. Back when we hung out in the USA, and well, the world has changed a little bit, especially the world of aviation. There's been some news, there's been some interesting stuff. So yeah, we uh we met in Houston and then you flew over to LA and you did a lot of world touring then after that. What did you what were you up to?

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Oh so the last time I saw you was uh having that burger at your hotel.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

We had a good burger. It was a great burger, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

At Atlanta, it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

That's all we did in the US. I think we eat burger.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

You wake up, you eat a burger at Starbucks, you know, the the McMuffin thing. Yeah. And then at lunch you eat a burger, and then at dinner you eat a burger.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

And uh you were supposed to fly Lufthansa, but Lufthansa was again uh on strike. So they rebooked you on United.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Yeah, that was a really interesting one. I remember, yeah, we were eating the burger, and the news came in uh-oh, Lufthansa's on strike, and so my flight was cancelled, and I was like, uh-oh, please don't let me be stranded here in Atlanta out of all places. And uh so yeah, they actually did rebook me on the on the next day. I did have to connect through, I think, Chicago uh on United. And um something that's what's very interesting was that I got the itinerary from United, including the prices that Lufthansa had to pay for my ticket uh to to rebook me, and it was like$2,000, right? And can you imagine that? I mean the the the striking is not cheap. Striking is not cheap. I mean, my my plane was full, uh the Lufthansa one, the flight was full, and so they had to rebook everybody. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

I mean, at least they did, right? But I find it always I I don't know if I don't get it, you know. I feel like pilots and cabin crew they have great salaries, they make a lot more than the average person living in Germany, and they're always just striking and striking and striking. So sometimes I don't know like how far my my tolerance goes and then especially when you're stuck somewhere and you think oh there's pilots, they make I don't know, 15 grand, yeah, 20 grand a Lufthansa. Sure. You get great training. Uh being a being a Lufthansa pilot is one of the greatest jobs you can have. Yeah, of course. But I feel I feel that and that will also then contributes to more expensive tickets and such.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Well, yeah, well, it's always the unions, right? It's not the pilots themselves.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Do you think the union goes to them and say, hey, you guys could get more money?

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Yeah, well, no, well, the union decides, okay, let's do a strike. And you know, we you have a little bit of loyalty to your fellow crew, and so you can't fly.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Some countries they don't allow unions. In China, there's no unions. Great, let's do Commerce. Yeah, I mean, like I mean China Commerce country.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

It was crazy because I mean, like the the airlines are not doing well at the moment, and it was like a two-week strike. It's incredible. And I mean still striking? Or are they not? No, no, no, but it was it was like two weeks of consecutive striking. It's insane. I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

And then the city line, Lufthansa City Line went bust as well. Yeah, yeah. Because uh which is a shame as well. Yeah. Look at this, look at this. We sit here, we look at the skyline of Frankfurt, a beautiful great city. Yeah. Germany is such a used to be such an amazing country, and then bum, next airline gone. Ryanair not flying to Berlin anymore because it's too expensive. They call Berlin an inefficient airport, it's headache, taxes, taxes, taxes, not the not the state. Not the state. I was about to state. And and it is just like now City Line went bust, all the the CRJs. Um you can't even fly from so uh Leipzig, Dresden, and Saxony, which were connected with uh with the City Line, they're not being served anymore. Turkish airline is pulling out of Leipzig as well. You know, then I look at this country, it's such it used to be the gr one of the greatest countries on earth, and now we are having bad news every day. Things are happening. Now uh the CRJs, I heard the thing is they were all due for heavy maintenance and stuff, and they were probably saying, you know, we're flying domestically in Germany, we don't make money, it's expensive, and now those CRJs, and I think it's a big fleet they had. Yeah, they're they're already old, and either need to be replaced, or they need to have heavy cheat uh sea checks, and they said like, oh you know what, just shut it down.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Just shut it down. I mean, they were gonna shut it down anyway and make a new airline, which is like the main problem, right? Because on the new airline, the pilots would get paid less.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Yeah, but that's the thing, that's what they did with Eurowings and German wings. Right. It just let them go.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

I mean, after all, they are sneaky a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

I mean, uh you have to say, but they also like people uh pilots and Kevin Core expensive, you know? Yeah, like it's such an expensive business, and also like you need to look at the side of Lufthansa and they want to save money as well. But yeah, difficult times not just for Lufthansa.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Difficult times not just for Lufthansa. How did you feel? I'm generally asking you, how did you feel about spirit airlines going bust?

SPEAKER_01 6:10

So honestly, I've always like before I uh struggled to get my US visa, I was always saying, Oh, I want to get my US visa so I can fly Spirit. You never did. No, I did fly Spirit in last year, and I'm glad I did. Um, because it's a great airline. It's a it's a it's a it's a good, it's a well-known airline, it's it's it's uh it's uh they're kind of the Ryanair. Like people tell me often I say it's a Ryanair of the United States because more like Frontier is probably Ryanair, but I think they were fantastic. They were they stand out with their yellow planes, but then the aviation market in the US is just as as unforgiving as Europe is huge saturation.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

I generally felt sad though, because like Spirit Airlines had some special character to them, right? They're a bit memey, right? A bit of a ghetto airlines, you know, it's like you know the Florida Man thing? Yeah, yeah. When you Google Florida Man and you have like the craziest news, whenever you Google Spirit Airlines and there's like just brawls of people because of flights being cancelled, just people beating up each other in the airport hall or in the plane, it's uh it was always super funny. And well, yeah, I I I've also flown Spirit and it was really good. I had a really great experience. Nice new planes, beautiful livery, and I've and really, really cool people, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Americans are cool people generally. Yeah, of course. I feel like Americans are really cool. No, yeah, of course. No, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

That's true too. But uh I generally felt really I felt I felt generally sad for uh for the for the loss of the airline.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

And I think this is a good segue to the day after you left on United for Frankfurt. I went on a Delta flight. You know, we did the 717 together, which was good. It was cool, it's very loud. You did a great video. Um so it was my first time flying a 717, yeah, uh, which was cool, and then I flew Delta and I think that's a really common thing in the United States. Whenever you board the plane, the cabin crew stands at the door having a uh a Starbucks in their hand and drinking, and they're just laid back, huh? I don't think yeah, there's that's the kind of thing I heard is kind of a uh like a way to show um because on the ground they don't get paid, right? They only uh uh for the block time, so apparently they have a bit of an attitude while boarding, and I had that on Frontier, and then they sit there, you know, or stand there. Yeah it doesn't make a good impression, but I I found that fine weird, and then the plane I was lucky to fly at 350, it was so filthy. Was it so dirty?

SPEAKER_00 8:47

I wouldn't have imagined that was. I thought Delta was like clean, it was socks kind of airline.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

One thing that really bothered me about flying in the US was so I had a so and cool thing is I I upgraded to Delta One uh at the get at the check-in. Yeah, and it was like uh uh upgrading because it was a 350. The 350 was coming from Johannesburg. Okay, it's on five hours five hours on the ground and then get has to get relocated to LA. Wow. And so instead of flying empty from Atlanta to LA, they just use that 350 and then from there it probably flies to Korea or whatever. And then I checked in and it said you can upgrade to Delta One business law, flat flat sea. Yeah, nice like for$300. Wow. Or premium economy for$800.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Yeah, sometimes we have that. How does it it's probably like AI systems or whatever? Who in the right mind books premium economy from the start? You know, when you when you book a flight, does anybody book premium economy? No, no, it's more kind of a deal kind of thing. It's always it's always kind of like a you end up in it, but you don't initially. Who books it initially? Because it's like twice as expensive and it's like exciting, it's a weird middle ground pricing.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

I'm warming up to premium economy, it's really nice because the products are it's a great product for day flight. I really like it because you have a comfortable seat, you have all the comfort, and it's nice. But what I was gonna say is so I uh upgraded and then because there wasn't much, there was no window seats left, so I was in the middle, okay, in that delta suite. And um for in America, you can leave the window shades down for takeoff, right? Okay, as well as landing. Okay, and I found this in because in Europe it's not allowed, yeah, right? It's a safety hazard. Yeah, and I looked at it from a perspective of so you let's say you take off, right? Okay, uh, there's an emergency, whatever heartbreak, okay, um, like uh it ignites the tires or whatever, you have to evacuate, right? Okay, let's say, but because the window shades are closed, you have no sense of orientation, you don't know what's going on. You are left in the dark. You know, that's what I mean. At least you would know what would be going on if you see the windows, whether the hazards, whether the wing is on fire and all like that.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

I don't think it it has that much of a factor, to be honest. Because like you have like these emergency exit lights.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Yeah, but you uh you wouldn't have an awareness of what's going on outside, right? You maybe depend on it. Most of the time you don't, anyway. Okay, let's say there's a bird strike on on uh on the takeoff roll, and uh the the I don't know, engine ignites or whatever. You don't know whether it's a left side or right side because you're in the dark, and then it like because there's so much panic, probably even the crew doesn't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Oh that's normal, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Of course, but like but you don't really get to see that anyway, as a from the passenger windows, like no, but from the passenger windows you can see what what the hazard is, why why what's happening right now?

SPEAKER_00 11:46

You know what we should do? Yeah, we should go to this Australia thing where they have a plane crash simulation for the passengers. Have you tried have you seen that?

SPEAKER_01 11:53

No, I've I've seen it. We should definitely try. I really want to see what that's like. I'm sure it's a good experience, but like as I said, like I find I found that really strange. But um, I noticed that because I always like uh I I don't know why they do it or what the reason is, but yeah, then I landed in uh LA. I went to airline live video to know those guys at a celebration, had a five-year anniversary. Five years, shout out, yeah. Shout out to uh you guys, cool, and and then I flew Qantas on the 380. How was that? It was amazing, it was good stuff. I mean, it was an economy class, 14 hours. I had a I had a good sleep, and I I was I was doing a video very low-key, and then two hours before the flight, I think uh Sydney before landing in Sydney, I had a cabin crew come to me and give me a card. I saw it. And I thought it was very touching, and I didn't know that they knew that I was on board, or like but uh the Tom, his name was Tom, very lovely cards. Nice, so I feel like oh like it made me uh very emotional. That was really nice. Great Quantas experience.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

The Sam Chui moment. Yeah, he always gets cards written to him.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Yeah, yeah. He forces I'm sure he goes to the galley and says, You write me a card now. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

I know him. I know ladies, I only want ladies who can draw.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, I've I I've traveled with him. I could do a one day we're gonna we're gonna make a whole episode about him. Honestly, like that was really lovely. That was nice, and then we landed in uh I had a connecting flight to Auckland, and then the pilot was uh one of my followers as well and came and said hello. That was really lovely. Quanta's always amazing, they're great people. You haven't been to Australia yet, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Oh no, I haven't. I have never been east of Australia. I haven't even been, I haven't I haven't been east of Egypt.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Let's say that's right, that's right. You have to uh this this summer, please come visit this winter, please come visit me in Bangkok. Of course. I'm gonna show you all my lady boy friends. Oh, great. No, but you gotta come you gotta come to come to Asia. And then I was was flying around uh Southeast Asia, nothing special, and I went, and this is the highlight, that was one of my highlights of my trip. Was I went to Uzbekistan to fly the last Antonov AN2, nice the uncrashable plane. Yeah, that's it. I mean it can crash, but it can't stall. Yeah, it's just it's just a flying parachute pretty much. Yeah, and in it's the last one in in scheduled service in the world. Cool. And and it flies from uh Fergana to an exclave. Okay. So it flies into uh Tajikistan and inside Tajikistan has an exclave which is part of Uzbekistan. Oh nice. And I was on that Antonov 2, and it was an amazing experience with 12 babushkas. Okay. You know what a babushka is? Like a mom. A grandmother, it's a Russian word for grandmother. Okay. And they were feeding me on that flight, and it was very nice. What were they feeding you? Some really weird stuff. So it looked like it was a white cube. I thought maybe it's some candy. You know, but my mom always says, Don't accept candies from strangers.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

Exactly, right? Free candy and too, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

But then the babushka was very trustworthy, they looked very nice. She looked like she she raised 15 kids as uh um and uh and she gave me that cube and I put it in my mouth. Was it any drug? It was dried goat cheese or whatever it was, and it was so sour. And I and she was looking at me, she was so happy that this foreign guy was eating herself. Did you have to pretend to like it? Yes, I was so close to throwing up, and I was like, I was like hoping for that one moment where she doesn't look. And she was looking outside the window, and I took it out of my mouth and I put it in a seatbelt seatback pocket. Horrible, horrible, but trust me, it was so bad, it was so sour. I was like, I died.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

Yeah, you have that a lot with like Russian, like overall Russian food and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Uh I feel like that Antonov flight was that so amazing.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Was there any like food service on the table?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

There was not even a safety briefing or whatever. What we had I had to close the door. Okay, and I had to open it as well. Then we arrived. I opened it. But where are the flight attendants? There's no flight attendant. There's no crew. So you have two pilots sitting there.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Well, that's good. That's better than one.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

Yeah. You can it's certified to uh be operated just by one uh pilot as well.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Yeah, but I don't know if that's for airlines, right? I don't know. Well, a lot of charter airlines that I know, for example, the PC-12, the small propeller plate. Um the charters always fly with two pilots as well. I think it's like an airline thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

I think you do have but they are certified to be operated. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, but I I was uh I I heard they're definitely certified that you can drink a lot of vodka during or before the flight. But it was funny, they needed they needed some some rot to kind of like start the plane, and then you you heard like a thousand a thousand horsepower, nine cylinders. Nice, and then you have all the all the smoke coming out, and then we had to wait for a good five minutes for the engines, I think. To warm up warm up, yeah. And then you don't even feel getting airborne. You just all of a sudden you float. It's kind of like a helicopter or like a like a like a blue. Yeah, it's just like so cute. It's weird. There's no, you know, you have the ground effect when you uh rotate a big heavy 777, right? There's no such thing on an Antenaff. No, you do have a ground effect whenever it's but you can't like but you can't feel it. You're just like all of a sudden you're airborne. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. It's it's with something else. Yeah, because it doesn't really pitch, does it? It doesn't go like this. Yeah, you just I don't think even it has any uh stable light, it's just because and uh they said sometimes when there's too much uh headwind they just stay in the air and they don't move at all. Yeah, there has been cases where the antenna flew backwards. Totally fine.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Well yeah, because it's so slow. Yeah, it can fly at like 30 knots, which is nothing, and you can often you can often have headwind of 30 knots, and you can stay in the air and confuse everybody. Yeah, it can stay in the air.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

It's not it's no joke, it's like it's very funny. How long was the flight? Uh 40 minutes or something. Okay, 40 minutes or 10 kilometers. I FaceTimed my mom and home with Sunner because he was so low. Yeah, and uh there's no Starlink on the Antoine. Oh no, what a shame. But it was cool, and then we had an hour on the ground where like a local guy saw us, he picked us up and he drove us around and bought us bread and Coca-Cola and then dropped us again at the airport, and everyone was really kind on the way back. Um, it was just me and my me and my friend Rowan on the on the plane and one Sky Marshal who slept the entire flight. A sky marshal. Yeah, he was armed.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Maybe he was just an Maybe he was just a man. Maybe he was just a man, maybe it could have been the Sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Yeah, that's true. And um, that was that was pretty uh pretty amazing. It was so much so much fun flying such an old bird. But I've heard you'd be flying an Antonov 2 soon too.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Oh yeah, so I mean this is kind of it's your birthday, huh? Yeah Well he's celebrating his 30th birthday. Well 40th birthday 40th birthday in June, and we're gonna be flying the An 2 as well. I'm gonna get some Soviet uniform. I'm gonna be in the in the first officer seat and I'm gonna uh talk about flying the N2. Yeah, that would be new typewriting for you. I didn't even know you could fly. I mean, in the east of Germany, probably can fly.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

It's an old um GDR, like you know, the German Democratic Republic DDR. DDR, yeah, yeah. Like uh East Germany used to be an independent communist country. Uh GDR, and uh they had an army, the national I don't know, whatever. National army and this plane, the Antonov, is was introduced in 1969. Wow. And it was for paratroopers. Okay. Yeah, so it was a military ex-military plane, and then uh it was gifted to uh like a skydiving club.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Oh, cool. So they do skyving.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Will you jump out? Uh so the pilot. I had a uh so the plan is for my birthday. Uh you only have a big birthday once in your life, right? 3040, is it 3030? Uh and I thought like, let's invite all my friends, all my Afgh friends, a couple of YouTubers are coming, and I said I had gonna do something special. So I chartered an Antonov 2 exact couple of hours where we're gonna fly around. And um, we all have to dress up as uh uh Soviet officers because it's a Russian uh Soviet or Ukraine Antonov is from Ukraine originally, but under the Soviet Union, so we have to look like proper Soviets, so it's uh it's uh we have to dress up, and I'm sure you look fantastic in a in a Russian pilot uniform.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Yeah, I could I could make I can make a great communist pilot. I'm sure you'd be look fantastic. I hope there's just no headwind. Yeah, but he said, like whatever the weather is, he said we will fly. But you kind of this play, I mean you need visual flight rule, you need VMC.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Yeah, he wants to go to Dresden and he wants to do a touch and go there.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Okay, at the airport.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. He said we can do this and we will land somewhere in the Czech Republic and have uh um go to an aviation museum and have a beer. Oh nice. Yeah, because he he said like he can't fly for four hours without having a beer on the Saturday. And uh well you can have 0.3 as a pilot. Like, oh, they have alcohol-free beer, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

But uh oh, I see. Well, okay, I mean well, yeah, it's a professional okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Yeah, and then uh we will and everyone is allowed to fly the Antonov as well. So if you want to go and sit at the flight deck, um, which you will do, you're you're the I think the only one capable actually, uh, or has the right trainings because you're a pilot.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Well, I'm really interested in how the cockpit works and how it flies, and well to Tail it's a tail dragger.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

You can probably stall it. You could probably be the only human being who can stall it.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

We can I can maybe try to put it into a spin. Do you know how a spin works? I d I know how a spin works. Alright, and then you have to and then you have to recover from a spin. I think that because it's so heavy, it will just literally touch down. It will be a landing. I don't know if it even spins because it has the two win wings. I actually don't know because I've never done biplane. Yeah, biplane. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be it's gonna be it's gonna be really, really cool. It's gonna be good fun. Yeah, yeah. So uh but but there's other stuff in June as well that we haven't actually announced yet. Um yeah, before we announce this though, let's talk about you.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Uh you so you came back to Germany, you went to Error.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Oh, yeah, I went to the Arrow in Friedrichshaffen.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Yeah, I kind of wanted to uh stories from all these aviation influencers and all the error. So fill us in. What was it? Who did you meet? I think there was some VIPs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very VIP. No, it was talk about the legends that you met and how it was.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

So Arrow Friedrichshafen is like a really, really big general aviation air show. Um it has 750 exhibitors or more, actually, and 30,000. So it's quite big, it's the largest one in Europe. It's kind of like Oshkosh, if you know that. Um, and it happens at the Friedrichshaffen Airport, and uh, I did some really cool stuff and I saw some planes. Well, it's all general aviation planes, right? So you have my challenge was all right, let's try finding the cheapest plane here that you can buy, which was sixty thousand dollars new, made in Germany. Sixty thousand dollars. Sixty thousand dollars new. New, and that's big, that's a that's very lucky. Yeah, but yeah, I know, right? And uh uh uh it weighs 120 kilograms. 120 kilometers. That's it's be yeah, it it I know, right? Kind of I think the performance of the plane depends on how much you have for it. What's the name of that plane? It's called uh Grouse 120. A Grouse 120? Is it Austrian or what? No, that's uh from the Black Forest in Germany. Oh Germany, yeah. Yeah, so that was really, really cool to see because it's like so rudimentary, it's so funny. Is it an actual plane? It's an actual plane. It's only got one seat, barely. It's basically a metal metal mesh that you sit on. And then you fly it. It's brand new. It's just just been developed. It's got one little tiny screen and uh one USB port so you can scroll on Tinder while flying or do whatever. It doesn't really have anything literally, but it weighs 120 kilograms, so that's really cool because you don't need to have a medical certification, you don't need to have an annual inspection because it's so small and so light. It's I mean I've seen we've seen RC planes bigger than that. Yeah um so yeah, that was the deal. Find the cheapest plane, 60k works as the most expensive plane, and so we there is a lot of private jets there as well.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

So the song Where does where does general aviation stop? Is it Falcons what is it, a Falcon 7X that uh the biggest one that was there was the Bombardier Global 6500. General aviation or is that called?

SPEAKER_00 24:49

That's already that's still general aviation. Anything that's not airliners or military. Okay, right? So you have like private jets and you have like PC-12, that would be the next step. You know, and we're we're jumping from from from the smallest plane to 60k. We're moving now on to like what seven million what a PC twelve costs now. And that's like cool, they've got new cockpits, which is how much is a PC twelve? Like seven million, I think.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Seven million. Yeah. One seven. Yeah. That's like an that's that's expensive. How many seats do you have there? Six?

SPEAKER_00 25:18

Uh depend. I think you can have up to twelve. Oh, twelve. Yeah. Eight. I'm sorry, that's I might I'm I might be lying. But this is it's a really cool, it's got a new, brand new cockpit, like super iPhone. It's like basically a flying Tesla now, which is like so interesting to see. And yeah, yeah, yeah. That and uh yeah, I moved on all the way. I had to like the old Lear jets, you know, the classic. Look like one of the GTA 5 private jets, you know, the looks are. Um, and that you kind of moved on, and the biggest one was the Global 6500, which is so this is the biggest general aviation exhibition in the world?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Like uh no, I mean art from Is it among like the the like you you know when we talk about air shows, we talk about uh Le Borges, Fanvar.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

Well, the big difference is that that is really only uh general aviation. So you didn't really see any airliner at all. There's no there's no 737 you'll find there.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

But I mean, is it the biggest show for general aviation?

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Uh well no Oshkosh is big.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Oshkosh is cool.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Uh yeah, so so it's really cool. You meet some really cool people, you know, Aero News Germany Pascal, really cool guy.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Um I met him once and um uh Captain Pilot Patrick.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Pilot Patrick I met legendary Pilot Patrick, yeah. He was a really cool guy, actually. He was really, really nice. I actually that wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Isn't it funny how he's good conversation? How sometimes you see people online and you think they're complete douchebags, yeah. And then you actually meet them in person, yeah, and then they're still douchebags, but kind of we all are, right? But no, he's like some are really nice.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Like we're actually really, really nice girls.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Is there someone that you saw online and then you meet him in person? You feel like, oh, he's actually a really nice guy, but a total dickhead online? Probably me.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

You met a lot of uh I don't know. Do you have any do you have any suggestions? I haven't really met a lot of people that I disliked in any case.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

I well, I think we're like uh like Sam is looks very nice on his videos sometimes, but then you meet him in person is a totally Well I've never met him, so uh I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. And then people that I met who were really weird and then off camera they're really nice. Um that's hard. That's that's um Do you want to gossip now?

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Is this what this possible is?

SPEAKER_01 27:33

No, I don't want to gossip, but I found it over very very interesting. But whenever I met Jepp, you remember Jepp? Jeff Brooks, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he's exactly the same on camera and off-camera.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yeah, I mean we aren't really because the thing is also when we talk, by the way, privately we talk in German. And I feel like whenever I switch languages, I kind of switch character too. Yeah, same. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Like I think everybody that speaks like as bilingual has this thing where they where they are a bit different of a person.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

I couldn't do this in German because I don't have the vocabulary every year. I know, right? Yeah, yeah. I don't I have no idea. True. Like I've learned using or like I stopped using Germany. How would you translate nine abreast seats? Nine abreast seat. Uh neun Bristet, yeah. Nine abreasts. Or reverse herringbone seat. How would you say that in German? I don't even know what that is. Yeah, that's like that's these kind of things. But anyway, so Error, you remember was you make some new friends?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Uh yeah. Well yeah, Power Patrick. Power Patrick Sties now. No, I mean it was a really, really cool show, and there's like lots of airports there. He's coming to Berlin as well. There's lots of parties. Yeah. Talking about air shows. So Errow was really cool, and I recommend you go next year. What is going on in June? Because there's another air show.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

So um when we you remember Les Bourges when we went there?

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Oh, yeah, we did a little bit of live stream. That was funny.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

That was live stream. You guys want to have live streams from air shows again? I thought it was really cool. That was my uh yeah, I popped my uh um my uh uh air show cherry there. That was my first air show, it was really cool, and then we had that highlight on getting on Qatar, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was the highlight.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

The the crew was really cool though.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Everyone was fantastic. Yeah, that was a cool time.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

On the live, we were on the live stream, we were streaming live, and we entered some some planes, we took a look at some stuff, and it was really, really funny. You you sp you spoke to some girls.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Yeah, it was really nice. Everyone was fantastic, and then I went to Dubai Air Show in November, which was amazing. So I was invited to be a guest. I was a paid guest. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Uh full full disclosure, but um you guys need to uh uh answer this now. Do you guys want a live stream, like an IRL live stream of us at IL A?

SPEAKER_01 29:49

Oh, 100%. We have to do it.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

We gotta have a we have to figure out the logistics though. We will we need to have a man who's literally just a walking starlink. Yeah, we need to we need to have Elon Musk. We will we will sort that out, but we haven't even announced yet that we're going to.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Oh, right, exactly, right. We're we're pushing. We went we went to Paris. I did Dubai, which was amazing. Dubai was incredible, cool. I saw the 777 X, the uh the Suchhoy 57, Falcon, and uh no, is it Falcon? Falcon, I don't know. Sukoi the Suhoi 57, the one the super uh core fifth generation of the uh of the uh Russians. And yeah, it was and now we both are invited individually, they didn't know that we that we are best friends, um to the uh oldest air show in the world. Is it the oldest air show in the world like I think established in nineteen nine?

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Okay before like that's like five years after the Wright brothers. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

So correct me if I'm wrong, maybe it was 1919, but by this time you had a lot. So it is the oldest air show in the world. The I L A, or as you say here, Ilah. Ilah. Ilah Ilah. Ilah sounds like a song.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Uh in Berlin. In Berlin. We be there. I'm looking forward to it. I mean, we already have a little bit of an idea what planes we'll be able to see. What are you looking forward to?

SPEAKER_01 31:17

I think we're seeing the beluga. So um we gotta say that um they're very restricted in space that they have.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

So they're at the international airport.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

At the international airport, it's they're very limited space, but the 380 is gonna be there. Okay. Um the Airbus A310, uh the G0. Oh, cool. You know, the one that goes into a nosedive and then you become gravity. Uh Apollo 13 was filmed in one of those those scenes when they are um when they flow.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

You mean you don't mean the moon landing was fake on it?

SPEAKER_01 31:58

No, did you think the moon landing is fake? No. I didn't know you're a conspiracy guy.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Yeah, I don't mean the A310 came a little bit later than Apollo 11.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

No, but the film, the movie. I have no idea what you're talking about. So there's a movie. Do you know Tom Hanks? Have you heard of Tom Hanks? You're destroying yourself in front of the audience right now.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

I think he's I think he landed in the Hudson once. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Um I don't watch he's actually a really nice guy. But I'm only watching Tic Tac. Okay, have you do you have do you still have history lessons in school? Yes, sir. What were like what was you still in school? No, you're used to university now. Okay. So you learn about the moon landing. When was the moon landing? 1969. 1969, exactly. And uh so the whole Apollo program, yeah, it was so Apollo 11 was the one that successfully landed on the moon. First time. Yeah, and then there was Apollo 12, and there was the one that uh had the buggies on the on the road surface, and then yeah, the moon rover, and then there was Apollo 13. Okay. So Apollo 13 was when people actually lost interest in the Apollo programs. Okay, it was getting too expensive, they won the space race, and on their way to the moon, there was an explosion on board, but uh and they lost oxygen and power, and based on a true story, and they made a film about it with Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon, and a fantastic film, really good film. I think it was published uh the film was screened in ninety ninety-eight or something like that, '97. So by this time the uh Airbus A10 was around. But what they used was a 727. So they built up, they had a mock um mock up um uh spaceship inside that 727. So, and then they had 40 seconds, 45 seconds, that's how long the dive takes, yeah, and then uh you float, and that's when they were filming uh a lot of the scenes. Oh, cool. That's really cool. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

It's a shame like we don't really have these kind of VFX things. We will never have that again because of AI and like CGI, like that kind of storage we we won't have anymore.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

So that they so they needed to uh uh mul multitask and actually play uh focus on a role, yeah. So like they're they're floating through that airplane. Yeah, and uh so the Airbus A310, they have one, a G01.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

They'll be there. The Beluga as well. Beluga is gonna be there as well. Do you think it's the XL or the normal one?

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Oh, that I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Because um I would be interested in both, because the XL is based on the A330, and the uh Beluga normal is on the A300. There you go. And so I think that could be really cool to just look into the cockpit and be amazing. We're gonna have a proper tool where I'm gonna nerd. Just nerd I said. I I can't wait to like you know, d do the the ha d open the hatch and like go inside of like the main like it's a huge space.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

It's pretty big. It's a big plane. Yeah, and it is very restricted uh in terms of movement when it comes to wind and stuff. It's very uh if there's too much uh crosswind or tailwind, then it doesn't fly.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Well it has a lot of attack surface and of course it's massive.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

It looks like the guppy. Yeah. Oh the guppy is much uglier though. Yeah, but I I I look at it, I have I've I mean I've been to Toulouse a couple of times for delivery flights, and you always see the beluga's somehow taxiing there. And they aren't they're nice, but they don't blow my mind. And they're nice to look at. It's like wow, they're amazing.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

I think I made a video once about uh converting the beluga to a passenger plane. Yeah. And so I I put multiple stories of of passenger roads, and that's like a thousand people.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Oh, 100%. I think you could fit a little bit. I could imagine. Yeah, so the beluga is there, then the um the those what are they called? The one with the radar on top, based on the the 707. No. AWOX? AWOX. AWOX, right? Yeah, yeah. So one is there and they're obviously they're based on the 707, right? Yeah, yeah. They some of them still have the old engines as well. The J J T 80 or yeah, yeah, yeah. They're the really old one, the classic ones.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

The ones that need water injection? Did you hear of them? Yeah, turbo fan, like it's no turbofan. It's not a turbo fan, it's like a proper just a jet. Turbo jack. Very loud. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

And uh die. And then some very funny thing, and once again, where I think like, oh my god, my Germany, where did my Germany go? Okay, he said far away. He said, Two years ago, we had an air show there of raptors flying and F-35s. Nice. And he said, This year. Oh, those are so loud, they're so nice, so pretty. And that's what I loved about Les Borges, you know, when we had the Raphael, the Eurofighters, the Raptor.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

But I I had this thing at Oshkosh where I genuinely went like mute because like the noise was so crazy. Well, you have a F-35 for something about F-35. But it's an airshoot. Yeah, and back with explosions and stuff. So you need headphones headphones or uh protection and earbuds or stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

But what I wanted to say is they're not allowed to fly this year because people who moved next to the airport said there's too much noise. That one day, that one day we could actually show off all your cool stuff, sell a couple of Eurofighter. Germany uh that we invented the jet engines. The Germans invented the jet engines, right?

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Was it BMW? I think it was Heinkel, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Oh yeah, you're right. And the thing is, the country that invented a jet engine, the country that uh took aviation to the next level, yeah, is now in such a dire state that people don't want the F-35 perform at an air show for that one day because it's too loud.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

What do you think of people that want uh that want to like have night closures at airports? I find it's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Don't the airport was there long before you there's a lot of things. People move to the airport and then complain because of noise. If you want to stay competitive, but this is not Germany doesn't want to stay competitive. Germany is like the Germany just wants to lose on every front. The days are gone, you know?

SPEAKER_00 38:13

The days are gone where we're ironically ironically being extremely German, but you're complaining of the command. Because I love this country so much, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

And then I think like uh Jesus Christ, we are the nation that put jet engines there. We had like the Master Schmidt 262, you know, where our allies, or not our allies, not our allies back then, into German airspace and in order to drop their ordinance on our civilian people. I see what you mean. And then the MM Master Schmidt 262 was like, as the pilot said, pushed by angels, you know? German engineering, the good old days, and now we're not allowed to fly them anymore because it's too loud. This is how that's how where we came as a as a nation. That's where we become as people, this is who we are now. Now we're crying because 15 minutes of an Eurofighter showing off what it can do is not allowed. And I wanted to get that off my chest. I wanted to get that off my chest because we used the country, used to be a great nation with great engines. Yeah, yeah. Could you imagine that in America? And yeah, Americans would be like, what's wrong with you guys? Yeah, like Americans would be like, yes, Raptor! No, we are proud. Just make our engineers, Tennessee. Yeah, mate in the USA and we are here now, it's too loud. I'm having my afternoon tea. No, they're not. I moved to the airport. Uh I moved next to the airport two months ago, and my oat milk latte is vibrating because I'm sorry. Like, I don't care if you drink oat milk or not, that's cool. That's your choice. But like, it's just like stereotypes. That's what I loved when I was in America. Or when I go to other nations, they're proud. Like when I go to Pakistan, right? Pakistan, they're so proud of their Air Force. They have F-16s, they have the J uh J-17 fighters, and every time they fly over the city, uh, like Pakistan is to salute, and they think like this is so amazing. Do you know the meme though? I don't know. There's a great one to be pilot. Yeah, but they still have a better airplane. That would have been pilot grid. Yeah, uh that's the thing. That's just not I just wanted to get the.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

I mean, that's cool that they do that with kids, you know, they they're like they encourage and like they encourage boys and girls and be pilots.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

And now on the weekend, they're gonna have demonstrations against our army. So because people don't want to do their army service. You know how they uh the conscription? Yeah, we had composery army service back then, which I had to do as well.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

I would I I would I I would be affected as well. And honestly, I don't like it because it restricts my freedom of choice.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Of course, of course. But isn't it isn't isn't as a as a society, shouldn't we stop is should we get away from this customer kind of thinking where we think we are entitled to everything? And isn't it nice to sometimes give something back to your country? Because we're so far away, we don't have real problems anymore. You can go and change your gender twice a year in Germany. I can go to the city hall and every six months, which is interesting. Why isn't it every three people? Like it's cool, people do whatever you want, but this is the problem that we are discussing that will you think about, but like when it comes to defense or like serving your country, do something, give something back. Don't always go to to wherever and get the money, get your incentives and whatever you want. Why not for once give something back to the nation? Why wouldn't you surf? Tell me, like here, it's your audience right now. Why wouldn't you surf? Honestly, would you do something alternatively? Like you say, I'm a pacifist, I don't want to touch a weapon. Would you do one?

SPEAKER_00 41:47

No, I mean I I know weapons I shoot at uh gun ranges and stuff. I'm not against that at all. And actually, I do like the idea of giving uh you know young people a sense of what's the word discipline. Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01 42:03

And a little bit you could use very, very I know, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:06

I mean I can't I kind of I don't know how to fold a blanket. I do, but yeah, that's good. Let's be honest, you don't. Yeah, no, because I'm I'm a little bit useless on this side. The only reason for me is like for just personally that I I wouldn't be able to do my YouTube stuff, right? And like me paying my YouTube taxes, right? My my income taxes is just much more valuable to the country than ever me serving by right. So I can't but like uh normally, I mean I'm I'm half Swiss, right? Yeah. And so it's compulsory still in the compulsory. How did you get it in Switzerland? Well, because I don't live in because I don't live in Switzerland, I don't have the conscription. But I'd sooner I'd sooner go to the Swiss military, you make more money than uh, you know, that's why. Uh but uh I think it's it's actually a good good idea um to have because like everybody is so without perspective nowadays, right? We don't really know what's going on, right? We don't really know uh you know, we're all we everybody studies as well, of course. Yeah, everybody studies, but it's kind of useless. I mean I noticed this in my uh in my industrial engineering studies that I'm in right now. I mean, basically everything I do, everything I learn can be done better, more efficiently by Chat GPT, whether it's calculations, graphics, um, drawings and everything. It's kind of like wait, d wa if I can literally have ChatGPT do all the things that I need to do, why am I studying, right? Why is anyone studying? And I mean I it's engineering, it's not marketing where you think, you know, even more than that. So like every so you know everybody feels like when in my in my age, I mean I'm twenty one now, every f everybody feels that way. Like, what is this now about? Like what will the world look like in ten years? And so to give like to do something useful and of meaning, which is military, right? I think that's actually a good idea, right?

SPEAKER_01 43:58

Yeah, I mean I mean good Generally, the world would be probably a better place if there was no armies and no weapons, right? And everybody had to just do like fist fight. But generally, of course, we live in different times, you know. Um but I feel like d serving your country or giving something back, and if it's just one year, where people in this country, there's pe I know people who have net not worked a day in their life in this country, and they just receive money every month, unemployment money and uh social like welfare. And just because you can in this country, it's so easy to get money in this country for doing nothing. That's honestly like my my plan B YouTube doesn't work out. I'm just gonna sometimes you know I work my entire life. We should be roommates then and just like smoke cigarettes and play PlayStation all the time. Play state, PlayStation, get all that money back, all the tax money, and then you know, one day because you know what you what you look, there's so many people who just don't work and they get their money because here it's so easy. Yeah, it's easy to do. Germany's like it's like paradise. You can get you can get you can get unemployment money, and you don't even have to be German. No, so you can either be cut you come here, you cross the border, and you scream asylum, and then you earn the system, you get paid, or you work here for one year and then you're entitled to unemployment money.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Well, stupid when you when you when you immigrate or here, right? You can't even work, right? You're not allowed to do it. Right, which is like the stupidest thing ever, right?

SPEAKER_01 45:23

Also, according to German law, you can't just get like deport these people, whatever. If you come here on German soil and you you s you just have to say the magic word, asylum, then according to our constitution, you're protected until they figure out like sometimes they they don't know where to put you because they get rid of their passports and all that stuff. It's just like oh yeah, that's like when you would your birthday is the first of the and then to change the constitution, you need a majority, uh I think you need uh two-thirds of two-thirds of the German parliament. And it's just like an endless cycle, ever growing cycle, and uh but yeah, this is we we're not complaining, we just love this country, right?

SPEAKER_00 46:04

No, I love I love the Autobahn, I love the straightforwardness of Germany, I love the I love the nature, I love the cities, and I love like the diversity of the cities, and it's like yeah, I I do like Germany, it's a great place to live.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

No, yeah, I think things are changing. I you I think it used to be a greater place to live. And a lot I was I was just reading an article, how much talent leaves every year, like young people, lots and lots of people, doctors, engineers, because they all get really good money like abroad and here. Where? I think we talked about this. Where do you live? You can go to the Middle East, you you can even go to you can uh work as a doctor in Bangkok or in in in Dubai or in the United States. Well, Dubai not right. Well, it's recovering, right?

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Yeah, I don't know. I I don't know if it's apparently the war is over. Yeah, I don't know if it's gonna recover. I think a lot of the I th I saw this article, like a lot of restaurants are struggling in in Dubai.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Yeah, like they had to take pay cuts, a lot of those foreign workers, you know, like the economy there's basically paid. Huh? Where they're getting paid. They're getting paid. I mean they it's not as bad, but they're getting paid peanuts. Yeah. Anyways, but they had to take some of them had to take cuts, some had to go home, and um it's still a bit of a bit of a struggle there, but I think we derailed so much from the original topic. What was the original topic? Are we gonna meet the German Chancellor? We are Merz, yeah, at the ELA. He's um he's coming as well.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

So maybe he wanted to fly there with his own plane, right? Yeah, he wanted to fly there with his own plane. Actually, my dream is to have him on the podcast because like politics aside, you know, he's like a he's an aviator, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:40

He's an aviator. He should come on the podcast as an aviator. I was just watch watching.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

And we're gonna talk about his diamond DA. I think he has a DA40.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

And he has a perfect audience here, like uh a young YouTuber like you who decided to stay in Germany, pay horrendous taxes, and me who left 20 years ago in this country. And so we can ask him to convince me to move back to Germany one day. And what are the mo what is the motivation? What can he offer me, you know? And I think that would be a very interesting point. Because this is this is this is a target. What do people want it to be? When I was your age, people wanted to be pilots, astronauts, or or um doctors. Not even like they want to be astronauts or police officers. Now, if you ask kids in my nephew's class, all want to be YouTubers.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

So YouTubers is the greatest that's been a thing for like 15 years though, right? And before it was I wanted to I want to be singer, I want to be uh dancer. I don't know. Not me personally, I'm talking about the zeitgeist, right?

SPEAKER_01 48:45

But I think you have a you have a good voice. You could be like uh Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra, yeah. Maybe I uh I need to age more. Let's see what that looks like. But um yeah, um uh Chancellor Mertz. Mertz. Mattz.

SPEAKER_00 49:00

Yeah, once again, he is a PG. Jilliadier.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

Yeah, he's a pilot, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

He is a pilot, and he is a plane owner man, and uh I think that's kind of cool. Maybe we can maybe we can convince the so if you're working for the German PR, you'd you'd like to do that.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Yeah, let's just pretend you didn't hear the past. We have an audience of uh the five we probably both reached combined 500 million people last year, so um a great audience for you to uh talk to. We can do it in English as well, right? Because it's a global issue. Well, yeah, well, Germany suffers from a global phenomenon. No, we're the only country in a recession. So not, but we can talk about the future and what aviation looks like and how you're gonna fix aviation. How do you get airlines to fly back to how do you get airline? Ryan that's a huge that's a huge deal. Absolutely. How do you fix Lufthansa? How do you how do we fix the issue that you cannot fly on Eurofight or the air show because it's too loud? So many issues that we can talk about.

SPEAKER_00 49:58

And how sensible is the idea that Frankfurt International Airport, one of the biggest airports in the world, closes down at 11. Massive curfews. Yeah, massive, massively. And when you arrive a minute late, they won't let you land, and you have to it happens a lot. They are on approach, they're like, oh, sorry guys, yeah, we're closing now. So they have to go around full power, everybody hears it, and then they have to like divert to Munich. 30 minute extra flight, tons of extra fuel wasted. And they care so much about the environment. Yeah, right. It's not about the environment, it's absolutely useless. There's nothing worse for the environment than diversion.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

That's so German. Like, even if you a second, if you would be five five seconds away from touchdown, yeah, and the clock would struck 11 p.m. They would say, go around, go around, condor, condor, go around. And this is the thing.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

I mean, it's it's happened to me, and it's like it's it's so expensive for the airlines because they have to pay for the you know the diversion, you know, for the for for the alternative transportation. It's I had this like thing once when I would I had a we had a delay of like two hours coming in from Egypt on a Condor 757, and um we couldn't land because we were half an hour late arriving. Um and they they didn't make an exception. Sometimes they do, sometimes, but they they didn't. So the problem was I had a lot like a lot of old people. Yeah, and we ended up we ended up landing at like you land at 12. You're in Munich, which is far away. It's four hours by car, which for us Europeans a lot. And and they were all stranded, all confused, and they didn't know what to do, no one was there to help them, right? And so all we did was we uh we we we ran over to Europe car and took the first car we could get, and then uh they had to refund well Condor had to refund that. Um but it's it was so annoying, it was really, really, really sad almost to see, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:51

It's weird, and I I don't know why like Frankfurt is the gate to Europe or like European Central Bank is based in the looking at right at the moment. We're in the heart of Europe. In the heart. We it's a the cocaine capital of the world. Apparently, the the cons uh they consume more cocaine in Frankfurt than anywhere else in Europe. Nice. I wonder why, but it's a bankers kind of thing. But they work a lot. Uh Frankfurt Airport is I think the biggest employer in Germany. Might just be he's got a lot of people. I think so. I think I think no way higher. Like I think we're talking about 80,000 people that are uh employed. We think about all the catering and yeah, yeah, everything.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

Yeah, maintenance and all this.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

It's massive. And you could be so you could be so like I mean, you could be so much more competitive if you have known like the Middle Eastern airports, they don't have any curfews, they go 24 hours, right? Why would you have a curfew here, anyways? And it starts again at 5 a.m. Which is like I mean 5 a.m. I'm still lost asleep, right? I know, right? And then you have all those planes coming in, the heavies, and like what difference does it make? The airport has been there longer than anyone is alive in this country, I think. When did Frankfurt Airport open like 1928, something like that?

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Yeah, it started off more as a Zeppelin thing. It was even before airplanes were really a thing. So it was a very good thing.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

And then why why move next to the airport and complain about noise?

SPEAKER_00 53:19

And I don't I can't even hear it. I I got a lot of friends actually living, I mean, I live quite close to the approach path. Yeah. Um, and what they have is they have triple or even four four was it qu quadruple, yeah, quadruple isolated windows. Yeah. Yes, to be honest, it can't be your thing. Yes, it is, yeah. Yes, it is annoying to sit in the yard and you do hear the planes. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

Why did you move there in the first place?

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Yeah, yes. But that has nothing to do with the curfew because you're not sitting in the garden at four at four windows. Yeah, exactly. But true. But like the thing is when you're inside and the the the windows do their magic, you don't hear anything.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

And uh you get uh I think the government even uh pays for the something like that. They're uh so like uh subsidized. Yeah, they're actually subsidized.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

We'll just I think that makes sense. I think that's a good fair.

SPEAKER_01 54:12

That's that's a fair fair that's a fair trade. Why not?

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Cargo operation, or at least let um uh uh let planes that arrive too late.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

I would just be you know, if I were Chancellor, I would just say no more uh curfews, go 24 hours, 24-7, all taxes related to aviation, just drop them, make it make Germany a mega hub for aviation.

SPEAKER_00 54:40

Yeah, like next Dubai.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Yeah, I add something. It's uh you could do something with it. But I everything here is just expensive, and Ryanair just Ryanair pulls out here, many other airlines pull out here because it's just too expensive for them to fly here, and then a thing like stay competitive and employ people, but then else again, people don't want to work in Germany either. They just like why would I work? I get money for free, do nothing.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

Well, yeah, well, there's nations that work less.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

I mean, I I mean I I feel like the Germans are known they're great workers if they decide to work, they're very hard working, but obviously, um and it's great. Like, imagine you are in a in a headspace where you feel like, oh damn, I need a break from work, I'm burned out or whatever. That's why it's designed for to take people off the vulnerable, like take care of the vulnerables, uh uh, and like you you're not doing well, you need and you don't don't need to worry uh worry about income and money. That's when I like the system, it's cool. But too many people abuse the system here, I feel like, as well. And this is not right, and then there's too many people, everyone seems to hate Germany here as well. Like you people come here from different places and oh hate it, you know, it's not my kind of place, but they still love living here. It's like in the United States, everyone hates America, but everyone moves to America.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

No, I feel like most Americans no, uh you're right, yeah. But we're all just complaining now.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

We all just complain or we moan.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

You're also a complainer now here. Yeah, complaining podcast.

SPEAKER_01 56:07

But this is one like sometimes it's a therapy. We are on a therapy couch here. Sometimes I just want to get it off my chest, and maybe you know what the cool thing is about the podcast? Maybe somebody listens to me and he says, Hey Josh, he sends me an email and says, Hey Josh, I see it differently, you know, and I like that when people have different. And then educate me, and then they they tell me about something that I probably didn't know. They said, Oh, because of Germany, because of this in Germany, or because I I lost my rabbit and I was terrified for three years and I couldn't work, but the country was taking care of me. Like, I mean, I love to hear that, and sometimes people say, Hey Josh, you're wrong because think see it from a different perspective. Yeah, I can just see it from the perspective of an entrepreneur who lived this country long, long time ago. Um, and who I see what uh how hard you work and how how little you get by the end of the day. And then I think, okay, where is this going? You know, and uh do we need do we need to um feed this many people or uh financially support people that come here, or do we need to send so much to Zelensky and uh not pursue pursue peace? Like so many questions that I sometimes have no answers for. Well, yeah, that I'm the wrong power person, I have no like scope and that like other people. Yeah, that's right. But like sometimes it's good just to talk about it, and then like someone in comments says, Hey Josh, see it from this perspective. Nick, see it from this perspective. And this is this is what I also love. This is I we reach so many people, and uh it's cool when they give something back and educate us as well. That's how I grow, and that's how you grow as well. I mean, I mean your comments on uh on your flight simulator videos are might be a little bit different occasionally. Uh no, I don't really have any like takes that are of any death. Did you get cancelled ever? Like you had a couple of uh things that you said where they were borderline, right?

SPEAKER_00 58:00

You sound like not yeah, but like the thing is like you can't get cancelled nowadays, I think. Yeah, it's it's harder. Unless you do like murder or uh sex attack, right? But I I I'm just like j I just say jokes that might be offensive. If I if I talk about the Caravel, the 1950s Caravel, and I say, hey, this jet, the first jet airliner, is so old Rosa Parks would have had to sit in the back. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

Definitely it's funny. Yeah, right. But this is then again, like I love when you were at the uh at the Fcon and you had a dad and his son come to me, and the dad said, like, I don't like your videos, I think they're stupid, but my son loves them.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

But it's cool, it's cool, right? It's cool. I mean, I like the honesty.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

I like the honesty, right? Yeah, okay. It's not for him, but he accepts that his son loves it, and he took his son, even though he doesn't like the guy, but he said, My son likes you and he wanted his video. That's cool, right? Cool dialogue.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

I mean, you say stuff like I know I don't, I don't, I don't get cancelled. What is it? A pork a day keeps the water away.

SPEAKER_01 59:05

Oh yeah, yeah. What was it? Um a pork dish a day keeps the jihadi away.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

I said that somebody said how was the reception on that?

SPEAKER_01 59:15

I haven't really explored most people loved it. Yeah, but um, there were some people who said, like, I mean, I I have nothing against I haven't really explored like blasphemy so far. Blasphemy, like yeah, that but there wasn't even really that some when I was in the Philippines, somebody told me that and I thought it was really funny because they love their pork dishes and they have uh had issues with uh with terrorism in their country or jihad jihadism. Yeah and uh I thought it was very funny, but sometimes you gotta speak your mind, right? Sometimes you just have to say things, and if it pisses off people, and then it pisses off.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

I think we have just been we've been the same, we're we're all like so like such a weird world now that it's like you know, we we've got to have certain stages on on your YouTube career.

SPEAKER_01 59:58

You have your first year super political, correct, you know. Then in the second year, you might start to be but brave and say things here and there, and then maybe you get your first backlash and you're like, Oh, okay, I'm gonna go to I feel like my mood always kind of changes. Sometimes I might my my I'm I'm talking, I'm I'm too aggressive. Like when I look at my flight reviews from the first year, I was a lot harsher, right? Okay. Uh sometimes on stuff, and then you s get the feedback and then you're less harsh because feedback, and then you were too nice for too long, and it's like, and then people complain you're too nice, you were too harsh, and then you go back again. Um but yeah, you go to different stages of your YouTube where you try uh your care your character changes as well, right? Uh like I mean, uh probably eight years ago I was super liberal. Now I'm much more conservative, you know. Yeah, that was very liberal. And um you were part of the Green Party, right? Or the No, I was never part of any party. Okay. But I was I was more liberal than I am today, yeah. But you voted green. I never voted in my life. Oh wow, you're I never voted in my life because I don't live anywhere, so I don't feel like I have the right to dictate my vision on anybody else. So if I would live in Germany, I would vote. But I don't live in Germany, so why would I vote? I would not be fair to the people. I could come here and vote some extremist we weird party or whatever, uh, and I could say okay, live with it. I think that's fair. Yeah, that's a fair. So I don't want to I don't feel like I have I do I have the right to vote. I do not have the right to vote. You do have the right to vote though on paper, yes. But I feel like I don't have the right to vote. I wouldn't vote here because I don't live here, and I could go there and vote Green Party, and then you have to deal with that shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:53

The the cool thing is like the the cool thing about being Swiss is that I like every month I get you know I get voting ballots basically to my home. And I you know the the direct voting system that Switzerland has. Yeah. Direct democracy. Yeah, yeah. So I basically I I I you read through a little bit of a pamphlet of stuff that's being voted on, you can vote on it. It's really funny. It's like, yeah, should we close the borders?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:17

Yeah vote yes or vote no, and that's what we do. The first time I learned about this direct democracy or the referendums that they have was when they start it was about minarets, you know. That was really early. That was even before minarets. Minarets, you know, minarets are the towers of mosque. Okay. So there was a referendum in Switzerland and they voted for it that you cannot build any new minarets in the country. And because it was all over the news, that's the first time I was made familiar with the system. I think you just have to start a petition, and as you get if if you get more than 50,000 signatures, yeah, it it becomes a referendum ish, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

It's really, really, really cool. But like the direct democracy only really works when everybody's like somehow educated on stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

I find it, I find it well, I find it I think it wouldn't work in Germany.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

No, it wouldn't work because people are just uh on you can manipulate people.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

Yeah, yeah, on TikTok. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

It's so easy. Like it wouldn't really work in Germany. Somehow it works. A lot of stuff works in Switzerland, even though they're I mean, we all speak this, for example, like Swiss German, there's also German, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:28

Is it true that Switzerland has no capital?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:30

Yeah, well, it has burn. Yeah, but they say it's not. Yeah, it's not really a capital. Never never been decided.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

Officially, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

Yeah, but no, no, the the the thing is, um And is it true?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Like I heard that as well on TikTok, that you can't flush the toilet after 10 pm in Switzerland.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

Yeah, you can't shower as well and stuff, but it's that not true. Why do you smell so that's not actually true? But like that the the the the thing is like for example, what is the country with the most weapons per capita?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:58

Uh Switzerland.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Like Switzerland has so much more weapons per there's no ammunition, you can't get your hands on ammunition, that's the thing. Yeah, but like So people would actually shoot each other if they had ammunition. No. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

You can buy ammunition.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:11

No, I don't think for that kind of rifle, the s the rifle that you get.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:15

You have a pistol and you have a white rifle.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

Yeah, but you don't get ammunition for it. And you can't buy, you can't just go to the shop and buy it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:21

I'm like one thousand. I haven't tried, I don't know, but like I I the the thing is like that's something else that wouldn't really do you think that would work in Germany if everybody had a had a weapon.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:32

Um it's not that hard to acquire a weapon here in Frankfurt. I can take it to places.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

You can see a guy down there, you might just where you can get a weapon. Well, yeah, I mean you can you can you can acquire a weapon through uh but you need a necessity for it, it's like the rule, right? You need to prove necessity, so you have to be at a uh at a shooting range, a a club for at least a year and have that signed until you can buy your own weapon, right? Um so that's a little bit of a hurdle.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

Right. I like how this is such a great aviation podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:07

This is like, but this is this is what we love. You can uh you can talk about the thoughts that you have in your head and you can extend them. You know, I always just stream of thoughts. Yeah, I love it because um that's why we do a podcast. Because if if if if it was a YouTube video, we would just have to talk about key points. True. Two sentences per scene. Like, yeah, this is very meditative. Yeah, and this is just like this is just like just talk about uh everything that's on your mind and get some therapy and should we should we get I got a hate email the other day. What was it? What would it we we said something about what was it? I got an email, remember? I emailed it I didn't you didn't tell me. I got somebody emailed me and said I said something that upset her.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:53

Oh that was a yeah, that was a while ago. That was a while ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:57

Something about uh LGBT Stuff that was something weird. I don't know. I said something.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:03

I see that's another stream of of thought that's just like thinking out loud, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:07

Thinking out loud. Yeah, exactly. Like on a YouTube video, you would edit this part. But yeah, I do remember. Um there was a it was an email, but I can't remember what it was. But I remember I shared it with you and somebody was upset about something that I said. Which is cool. Hey, cool. I said, if it's not for you, then don't listen to it in a nice, respectful manner. But uh I have to look it up. But um yeah, so we're gonna be in Berlin. We're gonna do a live stream. Uh we I have to figure out we're gonna do a podcast in Berlin as well because they have an awesome podcast to do. That's right. We I want Mertz. Yeah, me too. Me too, me too. If somebody works for him or has his email and can have that arranged so that he would get the PR that he needs. He goes on all the boring shows, nobody watches. And we are he we are das Volk. He should be here with us. You should be here and and and and we have a chat.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:02

Okay, what else is up in the summer? In the summer, um I don't really have any plans. I don't really have any plants.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

No, like this summer I just want to chill because six six weeks of traveling was tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do I went all in, but I have Somalia lined up for the end of the year. I have Kazakhstan, we're gonna see a Soyuz rocket uh launch into space. I have uh Syria coming up as well. Syria is gonna be my last country in Asia. You have been to zero Asian countries, and I've been to all of them. Yeah, congratulations. Touchdown in Syria. Congratulations. Thank you very much. I heard it's a nice place.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Do you go to like a resort?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Yeah, you underestimate Syria. It's actually really nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:46

It must be, but isn't it like a war zone still?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Have you been to Frankfurt downtown? Yeah, well. That's a war zone as well. No, it's not that bad. Like sometimes I've been I've been to actual war zones, but um they're usually not that bad. Okay. It's okay. Okay, we should get work on that. Yeah, it's good fun. And then I um what else do I have? I or I'm gonna do the iron ore train with Noel. Oh, yeah. We talked about that in a previous uh podcast. Yeah, we did. We're gonna do that. And then I will see what gems I find as well. But um, yeah, that's the that's the plan. And uh my birthday flight on the Antonov 12 week. You are you gonna block it? You should vlog it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:27

I'm gonna stuff the plane full of cameras.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

And if you want to see this guy wearing a Russian uh pilot uniform or it looks like an American uniform.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:35

I do have I actually have an original German one.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:38

Yeah, I think you should. Yeah, you can uh uh we get I can buy you a patch and put the Soviet flak on there. So you but you gotta dress up. If you don't dress up, you won't fly. But it's gonna be uh it's gonna be good fun. Okay, it's gonna be good fun. The day I flew in Antonov, it's gonna be really cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

And do you what do you have planned to summer? I don't really know. I I have exams coming up in July.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:02

How do you find uni now being a couple of months in? Uh well it's a year. It's a year. No, no, it's been a couple of months on. Do you think you learn anything?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Yeah? Did you make some new friends? Do you have a bestie in time?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:15

Yeah, I have I have like one uh literally just one friend. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, he's like the only normal one. Like, this is like a thing. They're all either autistic or or not normal. Or especially not a girl, you know, because it's engineering. There's no women, right? There's just no women at all. So it's like a sausage fest. Yeah, it's absolutely absolutely is. So you have to like go on Tinder to meet women, you know, that's super annoying.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:39

But you don't you live you your uni is how far from where you live? 30km. 3km? 30km. 30km. Oh right, 20 miles. It's like 20 miles. So you drive there every day? Yes, sir. And then you sit there and you have a good time. And do you actually do you can you focus that long? Do you not think so? I d I don't know. You're you're mysterious.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:05

No, sometimes I actually do have, you know, I have my laptop and then I have a subway surface gameplay.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:10

A 10-hour subway surface gameplay on a different screen. And it really helps me focus.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:15

People would that weird. People are wondering, yeah. People are probably wondering, you have it you achieved it all, you're close to the golden YouTube button, um, and uh you're rich, you're handsome, you you you can handpick the girls that you go out on dates. Why would a man like you still go to uni and uh and uh sit there while while his bank account is full of dollars?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:41

I like I like I like the way you lie. You like the optimism.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

No, yeah You gotta speak into the microphone, otherwise people will complain that the audio is bad. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:50

No, why am I studying well? I think it does make a bit of sense. I want to learn how to create stuff. I think I've said this before. Yeah, I want to build stuff. I wanna I I wanna be like a bit of a I want to bet build something bigger than myself and big bigger than my YouTube channel, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:06

I can I can see two swans having sex from here in the river. Beautiful. It's that a sign. That's a sign that we should go out tonight and and chat up the ladies of Frankfurt. What a segue, right? A segue into I think I think I think this podcast is the worst one that we've done. What is that? But we haven't seen each other for a month, so we had a lot of catching up to do. Usually we have kind of a call where we catch up on stuff, and then we're really interested in then yeah, but we haven't talked really to each other because I was so busy and now I'm here, and I now we are too much ourselves. We're letting go of our discipline. Can we uh can we go outside now? Can we have a beer? Yeah, we should definitely have a beer, and um I the next podcast should be uh we we wanted to talk about your story as well, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

Oh, yeah, sure, we should do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:59

The story of Swiss 001, how he became a YouTube sensation, a flight simulator sensation, the pilot Patrick or flight simulator. Yeah, we talk about uh your way of how you Perfect, let's do that. How you escaped Swiss Army service and uh how you became what the secret source of becoming a YouTube sensation by Nick Swiss001.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:25

You don't really choose to become one.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:26

Oh, have you talked about like uh just how is the airport project going on? Are you still doing it or not? You know the thing in that country where people you know where we were talking about?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:38

Yeah, uh I I think yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:40

Did you abort or is it still happening? It's happening. It's happening, yeah. That's gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:44

This shut up.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:46

Yeah, yeah. But don't spoil it. Don't I'm not gonna spoil it, but I say that you work on something that will eventually break the internet.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

I don't know if it will.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:54

It will be uh it will be fantastic if you do it right. It's gonna be one of the greatest things. I might need you guys help. 100%, but I think it's gonna be amazing. I I uh but uh there were some hiccups already, right? There's some uh Hey, shut up now. Yeah, but I should have a beer. It's just a teaser, okay, guys. It's already six. It's six. Uh does your ten thousand dollar Rolex say it's six? Is it a fake one? Is it original? It's original, yeah. It's original. That's nice. That's fantastic. Congratulations. That's good. I think on this note I think I should thank you guys for uh watching and listening. I want to do a nice outro though. I wanna I want to. To see you guys again. Yeah, we don't really uh we don't really see. But they can see us. It's kind of weird. Uh we're still uh doing really, really well on Spotify. So we love the comments that you leave there. We love the comments that you leave on the YouTube. Somehow, yeah. I never check on Apple. I do not and let us know in the in the comment section below whether you listen to our podcast on YouTube or on Spotify. We have we literally have statistics. We do have the static. It is indeed very useful. But I would like to engage with my followers.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

Just leave a comment and say when you have to imagine they're commenting on YouTube. Yeah. How logical would it be to comment on YouTube? Hey, I'm listening on Spotify.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:25

That's right, but you can leave you know what I just discovered? You can actually leave comments on Spotify as well. I was in the other day, I was going through all the comments, and I was like, oh, this is very entertaining. 4.9 rating. Nice. We have we're doing fantastic, and we love the love that you give us.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:39

Somehow. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:41

And uh I think this is it for now.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:43

We should we should go now. Thank you so so much. And I'll uh we'll record another one tomorrow. So uh when you're you're not uh dying of thirst of podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:52

Yeah, we will have another one. Uh thank you and good night. Good night. Bye bye.