Case #022

The Sun, Sunscreen, Skin & Summer episode. "the eSisode"

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SPEAKER_01 0:22

Welcome to the Beauty Files. Welcome. Um, I'm Amy. I'm with Rachel.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

I'm Rachel.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Hi. Hi. Haven't done introductions in a while. We usually just jump right in. Um, we're pretty jazzed. It's um it's uh it's 8 46 a.m. And we're here to prove um my husband wrong because he thinks it's gonna be a boring, tired show. And I'm here to tell him we are morning people, or at least you are after coffee. I am, yeah. How many cups have you had and what one are you on? This is my second cup, although I have not finished my first almost finished my first cup, but it's okay. That's not too bad. Okay. Yeah. Um I'm gonna I'm on my first, but I only need zero to be awake. So it's all it's all good. Um just so you know, I did my morning routine this morning. I had a monstrous uh zit on the side of my nose. You can probably see it. No, kind of he's there. Um I tea treat him and then I put sunscreen on. Good job. And the reason I put sunscreen on is because today is the sun sunscreen, summer, skin, all the S's. This is the S part of the S S. The SSO. Oh, I like that. This is the SSO. It is summer, skin, sun, sun. Oh boy, this is that's a hard sound on a on a mic.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Summer, sun, skin session.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

What else did I say?

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Summer suns. Summer oh sunscreen. Sunscreen.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

It's about sunscreen. Yeah. Um, mainly because there's been, and I didn't find the study, and that's even more funny because that rhymes. I told um there was a um a study that came out basically saying what a lot of you who don't wear sunscreen already assumed, which is sunscreen causes skin cancer. So, as always, there there's always some truth into some studies, but then you have to like dig a little deeper and figure out well, what the heck are they talking about? Is that a blanket of all sunscreen? Not likely.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

But there's also chemical sunscreens and mineral sunscreens, which I believe that study was specifically done on a chemical sunscreen. Yes. That's a mineral sunscreen, and while they both have a role and they both have a place, um, it also really depends on how they're being used. Yes. So, and what they do, like why, how are they diverting the sun? How are they diverting the UV rays? Like what what do they do?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Well, all right, so we'll get to that. Because we're gonna this is a sneak peek of what we're gonna talk about today. Um, I thought we would start with like a rapid fire. Okay. Does that sound fun? Yeah. Because that's what podcasts do. Yes, they do rapid fires. So before we even do that, let's first remind people um like why you know what you know. Like what is your what are you?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Um so I'm an aesthetician and a cosmetologist. I actually have both. Boom. Um, and I'm also a permanent makeup artist as well as a laser technician. So I have a lot of different titles and and things that I specialize in. Um, constantly taking advanced courses. Um, skincare education is ongoing, um, product education is ongoing. Um, so we're in that industry, it's for ever changing, and so you have to be up to date and knowledgeable about what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Yes, Rachel stays abreast of these things. So I have a funny story, real quick, before we begin, about the word abreast. Um, so long ago we need like that that harp sound when we're going like into into the past. You know the one. Mm-hmm. Um, I was it was the summer between I think fifth grade and sixth grade. Okay. I decided I got a new pair of glasses. Okay. Which doesn't sound like much, but mom, if you're listening, I had, do you remember there's like gigantic tortoiseshell? Yes, like round, yeah, like not even round, like almost oval or misshapen, like not cute. And not oval, like horizontally. I'm talking vertically. Like they were big tortoise shell glasses. Okay. I had those growing up, and I would break them on purpose, hoping to get a new pair, and then my mom would be like, We can't we can't get a new pair, you have to get the same pair. So it was just a replacement of the same. Until dun dun dun. And maybe it had been the summer between six and seven, and I hate to say those numbers together, but here we are. Yeah. Um either way, I got a new pair of glasses, and they were like they were like slender and like horizontal. They were cool for glasses. Not what glasses are now, but I decided this is my summer. Instead of a glow up, I'm gonna have like a brain up. I was gonna like study the dictionary, I was gonna work at the library. Okay, like this was like my time to shine. Not to mention, I received a hand-me-down of a sleeveless sweater, sweater vest. Yes, and this was this was the look. I was like, I'm gonna have my new glasses and this cool sweater vest in the summertime. You don't you tell me.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Anyway. In the summer. Well, you know, that is definitely it's like the sweatshirt. My one friend put on a sweatshirt when it was like 90 out and had shorts on. It was a very cute look, but I looked at her and I was dying. How old is she? I would rather my RH. Oh, okay. I would rather I would rather I I wear jeans everywhere, so I would rather have jeans on and a tank top.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

Yeah, sweatshirt and shorts is a different. I'll do that for like dropping. I do that on the boat. Oh, well that's it gets chilly. Yeah. Anyway, so um I had my vest, my sleeveless v-neck sweater vest, and my new glasses. And I started reading the dictionary and trying to improve my vocab. And the only word that stuck was a breast, and that was to keep up on, you know, stay, stay, stay on top of things. And I fit that in every anytime I could. And I went to my local library, which is now a coffee shop. Shout out to Village Coffee in Shrewsbury. Um, it used to be a library, it used to be a bank before that, but I worked there for a day when I found out it was volunteer and I was also too young to have a job. Oh god. And I had to walk there, so it was it was about a mile, maybe more. And this is back when you didn't yeah, people didn't care about where your kids were. I'd be on a main road walking. Anyway, that's my story. The word of breast, it's relevant. Rapper in my heart. So anyway, so that's why Rachel is our sunscreen expert on other things. But okay, back to rapid fire. So we already started off. I already assume that you're gonna guess this. But the first question was mineral or chemical sunscreen? Mineral. Hat or umbrella? Beach or pull beach. Self-tanner or real tan? Self-tanned. Favorite sunscreen?

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Um, color science.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

What's the SPF on that?

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Um, that one's 50. There you go. Uh, biggest sunscreen myth.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

There is one.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Uh, that you only need to put it on once a day. Oh, the other one would be that sunscreen and makeup is just as good as just sunscreen. Oh, we're gonna get to that.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Okay, that's good. Um, one skincare product everyone should own for summer. Now, I feel like that's not fair. You're gonna say sunscreen. So let's let's pretend like you can't say sunscreen. A pigment inhibitor.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

I gotta write that down so that we talk about that. Pigment, because you know this episode, everyone is selfishly about me, because we have some developing things on my face. Inhibitor. Okay. Uh, one thing you wish everyone knew about the sun.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Um, that it is the most damaging uh for your skin out of anything and everything that you do. So 80 to 90 percent of damage to the skin comes from the sun, and not from it comes from long-term exposure, not just one-time exposure.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

So is it safe to say though, that this is based on genetics?

SPEAKER_00 9:39

No.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

So, how do you explain the the anomaly that is my mother who has I'm pretty sure she's just wor a sun worshipper, like that's all she does, is tan, tan, tan. She has nothing for her skin. She has nice skin.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

How do we explain that? But she probably uses moisturizers and other skincare products. She's like, But if she's using something, something is better than nothing. So she could be like most people that I know that are sun worshippers, especially that are much older, they don't they believe in no moisturizer. Yeah. No other skincare products, they use dove, they dry their skin out. So they look pardoned. Sounds like mom. I hate to say it, but go on. Go ahead. Pardon the words that are gonna come out of my, but you guys look like alligator tired leather, leather, tired, worn out bags. Like it's not good. Now, now what I will say is genetics can play a role in it because if you have a lot of natural oils in your skin, depending on your heritage, that will help you over time. But if you were to look at them through um one of the facial scanners, what you're gonna see underneath, now you may not see that to the surface, but what you're gonna see underneath is a whole heck of a lot of not good things.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

And she has some um, I'm pretty sure it's hyperpigmentation because it only comes out when she has a tan, but it's like here on her on her cheeks. Skin damage, sun damage. Alright, so she is human after all. Because I used to I used to look at her skin and be like, what the heck? Why didn't you give that to me? Anyway, okay, all right. Well, that was a sidetrack. Okay, so this is gonna be in no particular order. Um, and I and as we talk, I might be like, Oh, you know, here's the thing that you I didn't prepare you for. Um, so before we podcasted this morning, my daughter was putting neosporin on the tip of her nose because she got some uh sunburn recently, um, and she's been picking at the peeling, and now it's turned into a little a little scab. And what uh what'd you tell her this morning?

SPEAKER_00 11:57

I said, Oh, are we going to cause uh a scar on our nose? Yeah, don't that we're gonna have to fix later.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yes. So just as a reminder, don't pick the peelies, even though we want to. We really want to. I would say it's the same as when you get appeal. Appeal, yes, which makes sense. Peeling. The peel.

unknown 12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

I used to scissors. I used to be a cereal cereal picker, but not on my face. It'd be like arms, like when I was a kid, because it's fun and it's satisfying.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

It is like those sheets that you're just like, oh, yeah. Pick like a little bars, isn't it? Like little monkeys pick bugs off of each other and stuff like that. Yes. Yeah, no, but when you would just like grab it and it's like it's like waxing. That's why waxing is just satisfying.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Because it's just like I'm trying to wax my daughter's eyebrows and she won't let me. Oh, I asked for her. Well, she said no, not Miss Rachel. So clearly she's scared of you. I you you're scary? No. I mean, you are scary, but you know.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

I mean, okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Sure. So, okay, don't pick. Don't pick. So, um, gosh, I just where do we want to begin? I guess we can jump back into the sunscreen, because that's kind of boring. And then we can talk about my my skin in particular. Um we as we discussed, there was a a study with the sunscreen. Um, chemical versus I guess if if it's mineral, is it just zinc oxide? Is are there? Titanium. Oh, that's right. I should have known that. Titanium. So which do you prefer? I know not chemical.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Well, I guess when does chemical ever have ever um A lot of what I will say is a lot of um spray sunscreens that you get are chemical. They're not um a mineral base. You can find some that are mineral based, but the majority of them that you are gonna find that are sprays are actually going to be a chemical. And that's all you see on the beach at the pole, it's just kids with their arms out and parents are just so here's the thing too, and this is what people don't realize, is that a mineral sunscreen, the second you put it on, a majority of them they're they're active right away. Like it's you don't have to wait for it to dry on you. You don't have to wait, like what what that does is it's just not allowing it to go through. It's not allowing UV to penetrate. Um the chemical is just displaying.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

Are you burning because you just said penetrate? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

I knew it. Um we tried so hard to keep a straight phase, and I see her just the chemical sunscreen is just dis dispersing the heat throughout and and not allowing it to go through, but it's just dispersing. You have to wait with a chemical sunscreen to get in the water 15 to 30 minutes, depending on what it is. And regardless of whether it's a chemical or a mineral, if you are outside in the water, they're not water resistant. Why don't they make a water resistant one? Um, because that would be like putting a mask on your body.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Do you see what I'm saying? Like it's like, okay, let's just put so if you're in the water, especially like it's aggressive and stuff like that, like that's coming off pretty quick. So you really should be reapplying in like an hour. Or if you're like aggressively sweating, like it has to be reapplied constantly.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

Um, okay, so what about now? This is interesting, because I what's that one brand? It's a blue oh, copper tone. That's the one. So that one claims to be sweat resistant. What the hell is that?

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Sweat resistant. It's a nice way to market. It's brand, it's marketing. Okay. Let's let's brand and mark it. That's good marketing now. Like kids will be like, okay, put sunscreen on me, and then they jump right in the water. Non-effective. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You're going to get burned.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

It's a case in point. This just happened with my child. We put sunscreen. And we even did like we didn't do the spray. We did the what'd you give us? Skin better? Oh, the the stick. Mm-hmm. But what did she do? She put it on her face. And went directly. And I said it was pointless because it was she was gone. And then she gone.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

So I mean you have to let it absorb to a certain extent before now again. Um so certain ones can be like a hybrid sunscreen. So it's gonna it's gonna do both. So it's gonna give you that that initial like blocking it, but also dispersing. So hybrid is like a mineral chemical compound, depending on how it's formulated. Oh, interesting. Now do you like those? So the skin better, their one is they're tone smart, which is great. It is a mineral, so that's great. Their stick is more of a hybrid. Ah, okay, good to know. So good to know. Things that are tinted, a lot of the ones that are tinted are mineral-based. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

So I'm assuming the one that's a stick is probably chemical as well because of the formulation. Right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

And here's the thing: the reason you're for babies, like all of those are mineral, because there's so anything that's a mineral base is going to be gentle, non-irritating, better for people with skin conditions and concerns. Um, chemical, like, uh, you know, a lot of guys, that's what they're doing. Like, it's just like, oh, uh, it doesn't matter. Um Let's put it this way chemical convenience.

SPEAKER_01 17:31

Correct. Which is just put that into anything. Chemical foods, convenient foods. It's not always best.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

It's not always best. What I will say is, you know, if it comes down to like I can't afford high-end sunscreen versus, you know, like it comes to a price point, as long as you're putting it on and reapplying it, just put it on and reapply it. Like I don't care. Okay, so that's my other question.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

How about um coconut oil versus um uh like homemade sunscreens? Like there's a lot of like shops on Etsy Beef Hello. I'm I've tried that. I'm not that has done nothing. Now my mother-in-law swears by coconut oil.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

So coconut oil for the right person can be fine, but it's actually very clogging.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yes, that happens to me.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

It cannot be very, very clogging. You cannot wear it. It is not non-crinogenic. It is going to clog your pores, it's gonna cause issues. Now, if you need to create an occlusion, it can be create for going over top of moisturizer, creating an occlusion to kind of lock it in there. Um, but yeah, it's just it's a trade-off. It's if you're looking for an oil and you're like, I need an oil to use, I want to use all natural, blah, blah, blah. Go for a grapeseed oil if you are somebody who Oh yeah, you've said that in the past.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Grapeseed oil.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

It's also um antifungal, antibacterial, so it's healing as well. It's very lightweight, it's not gonna clog. Um, so it has many of the same benefits without the adverse reaction.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Um, so while we're talking about adding things to things, okay, so in terms of so I'm gonna ask you two different questions and we're just gonna break it down. So a lot of makeup lines are coming out with it's makeup, but it's also skincare. Now, I don't believe those two products should ever they should be separated. I don't trust makeup that claims to be skincare. No. And now they're having SPF in the makeup, which on its head sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

So if you if you look at the and I remember years ago, like talking to one of the reps, and um, you know, we were having this conversation, like makeup in your like sunscreen in your makeup, and blah blah blah. The amount that you actually need to put on makeup-wise to make it that SPF is like four layers of that makeup. Okay, so you want to talk about putting icing on a cake, and I mean like really putting it on, you have to put so much of that makeup on your face to make that SPF effective at that level, whatever that may be, even if it's only a 15, 25, 30, 35, you have to put so much of that on your face, it's not even worth it. So when people say, Oh, it has SPF in it, I'm like, no, it does not. It might have it, but it's not enough. So again, it's marketing. Right. It's kind of like Capri Suns. You know? Oh, I like to see this. You know, or sunny D. Or a sunny, sunny D. It's like there's a little bit of juice and a lot of water. You know what I mean? Like, it's it's very much like that. You look at concentration level and it's probably, I always tell people like you look at the ingredients, that zinc oxide or titanium dioxide is gonna be at the very bottom. Right. Okay, so if it's not somewhere up here at the top of your ingredient list, it's crap. It's it means nothing. It literally is a filler product. So if you want to put that on your face, by all means, put it on your face. But I hope you have sunscreen underneath of that.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

Yeah, just know it's not actually doing anything. Because it's not doing shit. Don't let it's not gonna save you. So that's again, that's marketing. Okay, so how about and I understand it's it's probably a chemical due to it being a spray, but you've seen the you do your makeup and then they have the spray sunscreen. I think cool-a is one of the buildings.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Yes, cool does vacation. It's called vacation. They do have one as well. What do you think about that? Because that's so I think that it's fine if you already have sunscreen on. If you're not using it as your main source of sunscreen, you're using it over top of something else, then okay, fine. But if that is like your main source. You better spray like half of it on your face.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

So I'm thinking when uh let's let's just use this summer as an example. I go to Hershey Park. Okay. So I always do sunscreen, like my real sunscreen.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

First thing in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Yes. If I want to wear makeup, and sometimes I do, um, I will do my makeup and then I will pack the I don't think I use the brand cool. I use Kapari. Okay. Um it's a it's a spray, it's 50, but it's of course it's a chemical, whatever. But I will then apply that over top since my makeup is done.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

If you are not sweating profusely, you are not in and out of water. Then it's okay. Then it's okay. Okay, if you're doing it every two hours.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

This is yeah, I was just gonna say, this is a great question. So on sunscreens, they have the minutes, right? 80 minutes, 30 minutes, 60 minutes, it's it's all over the place. And then we'll also get to um SPF numbers, because I think after a certain number it's kind of like it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

It depends on who you like what studies you look at.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Fair. Okay. Um, so that's the thing. How often, if if someone is truly just walking around, let's say it's like 78 degrees out, sweat's not really happening, two hours. Not on any water rides.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

So I should be reapplying every two hours. If you're gonna be directly outside in the sun, especially if you're not having a hat on and sunglasses, right. Um, as long as you're not sweating and whatever else, two hours. All right, what if I am sweating or I just went on a water park ride? Hourly. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know, like you So think about that. That is a lot of buildup. That's a lot of buildup. You're putting sunscreen on and you're putting sunscreen on and you're putting sunscreen on, and then people don't exfoliate. They might double cleanse, but when you're putting on that amount of sunscreen on a regular basis, you have got to not only double cleanse, but then exfoliate to help pull that shit. And then book a hydrofacial. Because it is going to lay on there, and if you're doing that for multiple days in a row and then you're not, you're probably going to have some sort of reaction. Um whether your your face just decides to implode and break out, um, whether you have a rash, um, sometimes it can cause fungal infections, depending on like how this. Yeah. So um you do want to also make sure like you are exfoliating in the summertime a little bit more frequently, whether that be with a chemical or a physical exfoliant. Um, and if you are out in the sun that lot that much, then do a physical exfoliant as opposed to a chemical exfoliant so that you don't take the chance of burning yourself if you're not reapplying as often as you should be. Um it's basically like flossing.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Okay. We should be and we learned that you do, which is but you also wear sunscreen. So really you're you're the you're the the model here.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

I reapply like my life depends on it because I am white, guys. Like literally Casper the friendly ghost, white. Casper not and I just caucasian. Okay, I will tell you, I don't like the way it feels when you have a sunburn. I don't like the way it feels when I start to feel hot. Oh, I have another question.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

Okay. This so far we've been really been focusing on the face. What do you feel about like what are you using on your whole body?

SPEAKER_00 25:27

I do so honestly, that's the thing. Most people will use a mineral sunscreen. Um, and because it's easier to do a spray, you're using a lot more of a chemical. Yep. Um, for me, I have to be very careful because I get really irritated very easily by the way. Well, we learned you're allergic to everything, so yes. Correct. Now, Vacation has a mineral spray sunscreen.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

I don't know this brand.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Is it spelled just like the word? It is. So I will use that. They also have, and my daughter loves it, um, it comes out like whipped cream. Uh it's the same, it's by vacation. It comes out like a whipped cream. Well, now I'm wondering if that's did you get it at Target? Yeah, you can get it at Target.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

I think I just got my child a it's a body wash and it comes out like whipped cream.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

It might be that brand new.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Oh, she love that.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Yes, it comes out like whipped cream. Smell nice too. It does. So that line actually smells really nice. Is that a chemical? It no. Oh. It's a mineral. They have two minerals. I believe the whipped cream one is a mineral. They have they have two different kinds of spray. They have a chemical and a mineral spray. The mineral is a little bit harder to find, and when it does come out, it has a white hue to it.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

I was just gonna say, how and how does it it blends well.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

It does. Yeah. Okay. It does. I'm writing it. Also, when you write guys, when you put a spray on, rub it in. Yeah. Guys, it's not like you spray like y'all, you still gotta rub. Spray that shit.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

Rub it. Rub it in. Okay, I'm writing down that brand. Um, okay, and then real quick, what are your thoughts on a separate sunscreen for your lips? Absolutely, you must.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Okay. That's a must. Um there's a lot there have there's a lot more out now that have like the chapsticks with sunscreen in them than there ever used to be. So if you have a stick one, that's fine. If you want to use like if you have a face stick, you can use that on your lips. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

I was just gonna say if you're using whatever you're doing on your face, I mean, I always get it on my lips by accident.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

Yes, but having a separate one because you you know, most people avoid their lips. But your lips burn, and people do not realize how bad your lips can burn, and then people will get pigment issues on their lips as well. I just had a freckle up here on my lip, and I've never seen it before. Right. Like, what the hell is that? But it's sun.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

We'll get to we'll get to my skin. We're gonna we're gonna break it down in our next segment. Are we ready for our next segment? Mm-hmm. Okay, so we talked all preventative. Okay. This is I just thought of another S-word. School. We're gonna call this the sun school. Sun school. Skin school, whatever. Anyway, uh, now we're gonna do the damage slash aftercare. Okay. So let's start. Alright, I will tell this one story, it's really embarrassing. I I was like 21 maybe, and I had jeans shorts and a and a tube top. Okay, and I was like, I'll just lay out in the sun for you know, no sunscreen, absolutely nothing. I fell asleep. I woke up. When I tell you, I I'm pretty sure I had sun poisoning. For days I couldn't, I had to like get out of bed in stages. I had to sit up. If I put my legs over the edge of the bed, the blood would rush to my legs, and I'm gonna I can't even like describe the pain. I had to like slow it took me like 15-20 minutes to get out of bed. I was so unbelievably burnt. Oh, just awful. I couldn't walk. Like walking was like oh, just the bending. Oh we all know the feeling. Um, and I'm pretty sure it's happened to a good bit of us in our in our lifetime. Maybe not you. I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Yeah, I I got sunburned pretty bad one year at the beach. And when I tell you I was it takes that was the one time, the one and only time that that happened, that I can say for sure that was the one and only time I have ever been that bad. I'm I'm actually gonna go out and say the same. I I don't think I've ever and I did have sunscreen on, but it was the reapplying that did not happen.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

You know, water and I was permanently brown as a child because I just tanned. I mean, just my skin naturally. Like we would go to the beach for a week and that'd be it, I'd be a different race. Um, and then as I got older, I got a desk job, you know, I'm not really in the sun anymore. So now I'm a little more sensitive um to the sun. Um, so anyway, okay. So let's pretend we're that person, okay? We we messed up. We were out, we either A had sunscreen on or B, we just didn't or it just didn't re apply, whatever. Uh next day, we're we're we're looking at our skin's a little shiny, it's red, it hurts, it's warm. What do we feel about these after sun products versus just straight up aloe?

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Do you like aloe? So, I mean, aloe is great. I mean, honestly, if you are if it's your whole body, like I mean, the best thing to be would be get an aloe plant and like use it. But most people aren't gonna have like the large aloe plants to just growing up, you know, slather on. Um you definitely want to get um if you are using an aloe, still putting on a real thick moisturizer over top to help because to lock it in. Um because the sun, it it literally dries your skin out. So it's like pulling the moisture out of your skin, and you need to be able to put that back. Part of the reason it hurts so much is because you your your skin is so taut, the water, you know, has just been completely diminished from your skin. Um, people don't think about the fact that the skin is the largest organ.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

What do you think about using the sun as a skin tightening uh hack?

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Uh yeah, no, because it while it may tighten at that time, what it's doing is it's also breaking down. Yeah. Yeah. And the damage is just the the it's irreversible. No, don't say that. Mm-mm, because we're gonna talk about it. To a certain extent. Don't even say the word. Shh. To a certain extent without like it, you know, doing certain things, it can be irreversible. There we go. If the damage is that intense. Now, can you correct minor imperfections? Can you correct even medium, you know, mild to medium, but if it's extreme, like And your habits have to change as well. Yeah, and you don't change things like there's not really like you can have surgery to tighten everything. Um you can literally burn your face off, but if it's the rest of your body, you still have the rest of your body. And that's the one thing um people don't think about is everyone worries about their face. That chest people don't worry about their hands, their cliché, their decollete, their neck. People don't worry about those areas and they show age just as much. So, like if you're highly it's you know, it's like going to the gym, all right? Y'all know what I'm talking about, and we're gonna use men as an example. And sorry if you're a man. No, just don't skip leg day.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

That's that's all we ask.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

If y'all are just focused on your upper body and your legs are like low on the potem pole, and you got these like sticks walking around with this like big old muscle box. Chest and arms look great.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

Muscle box, and you happened downstairs.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Like, and then your butt and your legs look like a toddler or teenage boy, and you know, the same goes for women, like when it comes to your skin, like it's don't forget your body, yes, your face, and your face is like glow-even if you're your neck, like don't forget your declete because people are still probably looking down a little bit farther than you got your hands, and I will say I'm bad about my hands as far as like moisturizer and stuff like that. And I work with my hands a lot, so I'm always washing them, and I should be putting on a lot more product, and if you're smaller, you know, you lose a lot of fat in that area and things like that. So that's also gonna age them. But you know, you look at my hands, you're not gonna see a lot of sun damage.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

You have beautiful hands.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Um do you have driving gloves? I do not, but my tinted windows, they have SPF, so y'all need to get some uh some SPF tint on your car.

unknown 34:20

I need to do that.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

Um, so hang on, hang on.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

All right, back it up. So we like aloe. That would be buffing. Uh moisturize, moisturize, moisturize if you are sunburnt. Right. Right? Um, so as maybe some of you know, last year I got after it. I went into a tanning booth. Don't I'll never do that again. But I um so a couple things we'll talk about. So I have what I thought was hyperpigmentation, or maybe I do, but I also learned just because of Rachel. I think I have melasma. So let's first, real quick, kindergarten speak. What is the difference between hyperpigmentation and melasma?

SPEAKER_00 35:12

We'll start with melasma is from hormonal changes that happen to the body. It happens around pregnancy because of the hormonal changes. Um, it can also be um, you know, chemical exposures that have also caused different changes in your skin. Melasma can come and go, okay, so hyperpigmentation's always going to be there. Okay, so age spots, they're just a constant. Melasma is there, but at different times, depending on what you're doing, depending on the heat, depending, it will appear worse and then calm down. And then uh so it never really goes away. Now, hyperpigmentation, like if you have that brown spot, that brown spot is there. That baby doesn't change. This is very helpful. Okay, so those age spots, and you're like, oh, freckles are freckles. I had a teenager come in and she's like, Oh, I naturally have freckles. And I said, honey, not all of those are freckles. And you know, I kind of had to just tell her like some of those, yes, if you've had them since you were a baby, okay, a toddler. But most people think freckles are like, you got them as a teenager. No, no, sweetheart. No, no. That's called age spots. Those are those are from the sun, it's sun damage that will turn into age spots that will continue to get darker um as you get older, the more sun damage that you have and whatever, unless you do things to help correct it and prevent it. Okay. Now, again, melasma. Um, some women will get melasma, and after pregnancy, it will cease to exist. It will diminish, their body will regulate, the hormons will yes. Yeah, okay. Other women will get it, and then it will just continue to rage.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Okay, so in my case, I never had issues when I was pregnant, no face excitement, but um when I turned 30, hormones, um, all of a sudden I was getting a sun mustache.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

That's well as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Um, I've seen sideburns on people. Like all of a sudden, women are getting this five o'clock shadow. It's great. Um, so when I was in the tanning booth, I had a UV protected mask on. I mean, I was it was a sight. I'm glad that nobody saw me. I had a shield with just one in my body, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Every single time I came out of the booth, I look in the mirror because I had to remove all my crap, and there they were. My mustache was there. So it was heat related. Like I was probably blocking things, yes, but it's it's hot in there. Right. Same thing as where it's a cloudy day and I'm at the pool, I'm under an umbrella, but I'll be like, son of a bitch, there it is. I got the stupid mustache, and then it goes away. And that's how we know I have melasma. And I'm I mean, I yes, I have hyperpigmentation, but it's different.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Different products can help with it.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Well, you tell me what, and that's what we need to talk about today. Selfishly, I cannot be walking around looking like Hitler.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

The problem is that while different products can help, in like there are lasers out there that they say will take it away. Bullshit. But but what I will also say to that is it doesn't work for every single person. And sometimes when you go and you have a laser treatment done, it can in some cases, even though it's supposed to help, make it worse for certain people. Okay. Oh, really? Yes. Upsetting. While it may claim that it can get rid of it completely or whatever, it may not do that. Right. It may actually make it worse. I mean, it may make it more visible. Um so traditionally, pigment inhibitors can help a little bit with it. One of the the biggest things that people will know for hyperpigmentation, um, as far as pigment inhibitors, or is a hydroquinone. Is what people, you know, when you're having when you have a lot of melasma, you have a lot of hyperpigmentation. People know hydroquinone is supposed to help with that. But I've heard of that. It's a steroid. Oh, that's possible. So you can only use it for three months at a time and then you need to stop, especially when you're using a high level. Yeah, because that thins your skin too, right? Correct. We do have um transinamic acid is a pigment inhibitor. I'm sorry, I say that one more time. Transatabic. Trans, I always say this wrong. Trans eczamatic. I love this word. Everyone say it together. Transomatic. Transomatic. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Um it will help with the melasma and stuff pigment. It is also not a steroid, so it can be used um to help not only prevent but to improve. And that is one of our products that we do have, which I have told you. So Skin Better has what's called Eventone, and they came out with Eventone Intensive. For whatever reason, my skin does not like even tone, just the traditional. But the even tone intensive it does like. I had a client who was going to a dermatologist, and so the even tone intensive helps with reds, browns, and yellows in the skin. Okay, so those three things. This woman, she's older, she had right here on her nose, dime size of a dime, red spot. Right on the side of her nose. Right on the side of her nose. And I said, Listen, I want you to try this product. The doctor was thinking about going and trying to laser it off. No, not laser it off, cut it. And then she would have had a mark on her nose. And he's like, he's like, I just don't know. And she thought it was getting bigger, and I was like, let's try this. And this was right before um even Tone Intensive came out. So I was like, I want you to start using this product. She started using this product and it got a little bit better. Now, if you would touch it or you would do like it could get red again. It would get red again. She went into the doctor, the doctor looked at her, they're like, I don't think it's as bad. What are you doing? And she told them. And I was like, Oh, well, yeah, that's a really good product. I guess just keep doing it. She goes in every three months, we'll see what it looks like again. Eventone intensive came in. I said, I want you to start using this. Within six months of her using Eventone Intensive, that red spot is gone completely. And it had been there for a year almost, and that's why the doctor was concerned, and they were like, What the hell are you doing? So it works, it's very effective if you're using it on a regular basis. Um, not only is it going to help to get rid of and improve what you already have, but it's gonna help to prevent new from forming. Um, so there are products out there that are not going to break your skin down and thin it. I think it would work. I think you would really like it. I like it. Um it's something that um you definitely can start to see a difference in pretty quickly. Um, if you have a lot of um pigment issues, um, it will help with melasma, it will help with um hyperpigmentation. So what is that product again, Rachel? It's called Eventone Intensive.

SPEAKER_01 43:04

Eventone intensive. Is that Biskin Butter? Who's that's it? It's Biskin Butter, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:09

Okay, and where can they buy that, Rachel? You can get that from um Exquisite.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

That's great.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

It's the only you can get it by us or you can go online through, but you have to pick Exquisite Med Spa as well. Oh, as your provider. So that's what I was gonna say. Um you can get it online, but you have to have a provider. Um, so and let exquisite med spa.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

That's exquisite without the E. That's just the letter X and then exquisite. Um, okay, switching gears. Um another myth if you have a base tan, nope, does that protect your skin?

SPEAKER_00 43:48

No, no, a base tan really does nothing. That's like y'all. The reason that you have color is because your body is your your DNA is protecting itself by. Creating more melanin. Melanin is damage to the skin. It is your body's way of producing, it's kind of like an umbrella. It's kind of like producing a light layer of an umbrella to help block out the the UVA and UVB from damaging and destroying and breaking down your skin. Um, so it is not going to help you, or you know, I love it when so I worked at a tanning salon, believe it or not. I worked at a tanning salon for years. And the funny thing is that I barely ever time. I worked there and I I, you know, you work somewhere and you're just tired and you're just like, I'm going home. Like I nobody has time for that. And you know, you're hot and but so people would come in and be like, I need to get a little bit of color because I'm going on vacation, I need a bass tan. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

I hope my husband's listening because that's his mentality right now.

SPEAKER_00 44:55

Here's the thing especially as you get closer to the equator, the sun gets closer and closer and closer to you. So if you're in, I don't know, Alaska, okay. You go outside, I'm gonna lay outside, I'm gonna get some sun, I'm gonna get a base tan. It's gonna help me for when I go to Hawaii or Mexico. Okay. Then you get to Hawaii and I don't need to wear as much sunscreen, I'll be fine. Y'all, the sun is way closer to you, way hotter. You're gonna fry your hiny, okay? You know, we're not scrambling, we're frying at this point. Um, it's going to give you a tiny bit of blockage, it's gonna give you a tiny bit of quote unquote natural SPF. Um, but beyond that, no.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

Okay, so we gotta wrap up, but I thought we would do one more little rapid fire. Okay. These should be hopefully yes or no questions. As usual, it always is independent and everyone's skin is not the same. Blah blah blah. Okay. Um should someone stop using retinol or exfoliating acids in the summer?

SPEAKER_00 46:12

Uh no, as long as they're using sunscreen and they're washing it off their face in the morning, no. The answer is they should not.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Uh I have an update to my morning and nighttime routine. I have since stopped the retinol stick in the morning and I switched to just an under-eyeball.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Just thought you should know. Just thought you should know.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Okay. Just thought you should know. Um, but I didn't, I'm I put it back or I put it into my nighttime routine. So I'm not skimping out on retinol. Um, okay. Uh oh well. This one I think we already know. But what's this isn't a yes or no? It's just what's the biggest skincare mistake you see people make at the beach or the pool? I assume it's not reapplying.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

Not reapplying sunscreen, not wearing it at all, not wearing a hat, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Bathing. You said something to me the other day that really shook me and upset me because I said to you the other day, I said I was at the pool. I was under an umbrella, and I still what did you say? It has to be a UV-protected umbrella. And if it's not, it's the same as a cloud tan or a cloud burn. You're gonna get the sun. She goes right through it. She's gonna get to you. The sun will find her way. She will still get you to get you. Yeah. Um, and then that of course that goes, can people still get sunburn on a cloudy day? I think the answer is yes.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

Uh, absolutely. Okay. And most people actually get more sun damage then because they're not putting anything on. Exactly. Because you see, oh, it's overcast today. I don't need sunscreen. Okay. Um, microneedling and chemical peels safe during the summer? If you're using sunscreen and you're protecting your face the way you're supposed to, those things can be done all year round again as long as you're doing proper protocol.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Like I made a microneedling appointment, I think, at the end of August. I don't remember when. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm pretty darn excited. Yeah. Yeah. Um, how long should someone wait after a peel or laser treatment before spending time in the sun?

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Oh, at least two weeks to a month, depending on what it is, the depth of it. Yes, all the arms.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

If you do it's fine. As Rachel just said, it's fine to do microneedling and chemical peels. But just remember, your skin is is it's baby. You have to treat it like it's like it's your precious, it's precious. Okay. Um, any other I mean, my takeaway, everybody, let's do takeaways. My takeaway is I'm gonna go and invest in the brand Vacation for at least my child. Um, and I'm gonna invest in the Skin Better Skin Tone Intensive for my face. Yeah. Pigment inhibitor. Oh, real quick, what are your thoughts on all body retinol?

SPEAKER_00 49:08

We have it. I think it's great. I think it works really well. Um, as long as it's formulated correctly, and it will definitely help with um your uh pigment and elasticity in the skin.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

Right? Like I feel like we miss we miss our bodies. Yeah, bodies are important. Correct. Um, okay. Any other sun questions? Did we get it all? No. If you guys have sun questions specifically. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

We were wondering about like levels of SPF. I think you will see some studies that say you don't need anything higher than 30, and then you'll see some studies that say you don't need anything higher than 50.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Yeah. I mean they have 100 I've seen.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

So I mean that's a little unnecessary. I always tell people 50 are higher. Okay. Um, once you get beyond um 50, and I mean the studies are a little unclear as to how much it's actually going to do for you. Um Skin Better, all of their products are higher than 50.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

Okay, we had to stop mid-recording because we got a cookie delivery. Yeah. Um anyway, continue. Your thought.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

So, I mean, the they have um they're tinted, so that's why they're higher SPF than 50. Um, I tell people 50 or higher is very safe. Um, and that's what you should consider using. Um but I mean, as long as it's at least 30, um, but 50 is is definitely gonna give you a little bit more protection. Beyond 50, I mean I've read the studies. It's very some will say yes, some will say no. I will tell you most lip um SPF is 35. Um, so fine, so be it. Um, you can't really find too many lips that are 50 or higher. And I feel like that's something you will reapply. Yeah. Just out of habit. Just out of habit.

SPEAKER_01 51:08

So um What's the point of having 15? I've seen 15. Who is that for? Also, not to mention, I do, and I don't even think this is conspiracy. I think it's just a fact. I think the sun is just so much more intense now than it was 30, 40 years ago. Um, so you know, just all these things you have to take in into consideration. Um, but big takeaways, yeah, don't forget to moisturize all summer, re-foliate, exfoliate, double cleanse. Um, it it's just it's all of it, you guys. And and just we're sweating. Like, oh yeah, wash your face, wash your body, exfoliate your body, especially if you're sunscreening your whole body. I mean, my god, like just the grime, the gook, right? All the things. And speaking of gook, we have cookies. You know what I mean? We have cookies, so we're gonna um we're gonna eat them. Shout out to my mother-in-law. I think she it's baking school with her, our children. So that's great. Um, okay, uh, yeah. If you have uh anything we didn't cover, and you have questions, please leave it in this episode's Instagram post. We would be happy to um answer any any questions, anything we missed out on. Um, this has been the Beauty Files. Case closed, okay.