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Episode 26!!!! Amy and Rachael cover social media burnout, algorithm pressure, and the mental toll of constant comparison. The episode pivots to true crime discussions around the Idaho student murders, the Alex Murdaugh case, and the Luigi Mangione trial.

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SPEAKER_03

I already hit record because I thought it would be more interesting to hear the sound bites of us getting settled. Trying something new, obviously.

SPEAKER_00

Try something new.

SPEAKER_03

Uh hi, welcome to the beauty files. Did you know this is episode 26?

SPEAKER_00

Wow. Isn't that just that's crazy?

SPEAKER_03

We need to insert like a round of applause right here. That's like to be celebrated, right? Yeah. Sorry if that was annoying. Um yeah. I uh was looking when I did last week and I'm like, oh my gosh, that was 25.

SPEAKER_00

Today's 26. Today's even numbers. Are you an even number person?

SPEAKER_01

I am. I like even numbers. I just like even numbers. Okay. Yeah. What's your favorite number?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know that I necessarily have a favorite number. Should I? I don't know. This was how long I do. What's your favorite number?

SPEAKER_03

Well, growing up it was always the number four. Just always. Okay. And then when I had my daughter, she like I went into labor on the 23rd, and I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no. I have to make it to 24. I need a four in the and then it happened. So 24. So now favorite numbers like kind of it's between four and twenty-four, because it's means something. But yeah, I remember being like, no, hold out.

SPEAKER_01

I tried, I couldn't hold out. I really, really wanted to, but her two numbers are even. All of his numbers are even numbers. So interesting. Yeah. And then all my numbers are even numbers.

SPEAKER_03

All of mine are odd.

SPEAKER_00

That's so funny.

SPEAKER_03

Five and eleven. Yeah. And my husband too. He's three-one. And my daughter has two evens. So 1024. Yeah. What does that mean? It probably it means nothing. It means nothing. But So really you're just you're open to any even number. Yeah. I like that. I just I don't know. Gambling I feel like would be really hard for you because we're easy. I don't know. Do you gamble? You remember that? Not very much.

SPEAKER_01

But I I also will give myself a limit. Like, okay, I'm only spending this much once it's if if and when it's gone, but like if I hit big, then I am done. I'm not gonna keep going unless somebody else wants to give me their money to play with. That's true.

unknown

I know.

SPEAKER_01

I'll play with other people's money, but if it's mine, I have a limit.

SPEAKER_03

There's gotta be a some sort of strategy, but I don't I don't know what it is of of I've never I've never played claw machines are good enough for me. I like the and I'm good at them. Like I'm really pretty proud of myself.

SPEAKER_01

But I've done pretty good at blackjack. Oh. Yeah. When I've done that. Yeah. That sounds fun and stressful. Craps, crepes, cover, whatever the heck they call them. Cra craps. I think you were right.

SPEAKER_03

It's craps, isn't it? Craps, yeah. I don't know. Someone let us know in the comments. Um, hey guys. I already said where we are. This is the Beauty Files. Thanks for tuning in. Um it's a weird day. It's Friday.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And that's because we're out of episodes. This is gonna be fresh. This is this Sunday. Um, so if you're if you're listening and you listen in the morning, um I'll be in Liddits. Come up and see me. I don't know where though. All the info is on my Instagram, so just head over there. Yeah. And then um I you just told me about an event at the Revs Stadium on August 21st. Yeah. We're not sure of the time yet. And then do you have any other events until September? Anything in August? September 11th is a big one. Yeah. You're hosting an event.

SPEAKER_01

Yep. We're hosting an event. There'll be other vendors there. Um, so come on out and see us.

SPEAKER_03

That's gonna be a really I'm gonna lean positive. That's gonna be a really amazing weekend for me. It's going to be a very eventful weekend. Three days. So I'm doing Rachel's event on the 11th, and then the 12th and 13th is Gray Apple Market. I have not really thought about how I'm gonna be. So I might either just be super caffeinated or super drunk. I don't know. So it's gonna be one or the other. I'm not sure how I'm gonna get through it. Um, so well, that should be exciting. Always. Yeah, yeah. But hi! Hi. We haven't sat together since we watched the movie Obsession. Yes. So it's been a minute. I thought that we would talk about social media. Insert the dun dun dun What is that from, by the way? Everyone knows it, but what is it from? It's a is it a cartoon? Is it a movie? I don't know. But I do feel like everybody knows it. In fact, don't ask me why, but I actually feel like I have the soundbite. But um, yeah, so I have been off of social. Well, I shouldn't even say that. I've been on it, but I haven't been posting. Which is why I haven't been posting, is because I've been on it. Because it makes you feel like oh, here we go. It might be really loud. Hold on, let me see if I can. There it is. I don't know what that's from. Don't know. Anyway, um, yeah, I've been feeling a little down in the dumps about social media. And um I how can I word this? I'm noticing I I can't figure out if it's like linked with my cycle. Because I have like a week where I feel spectacular, and I am starting to put it together a little bit that has to do with if I'm having a good hair day. Um so I don't, I'm not sure what that is. Um, but I have these like spurts of oh, okay, I'm really good with social media. I'm good with myself, I'm good with showing up. Right. And then it's like a wave almost, like that's how it is. And then as the wave is receding, right? That is when I just want to be like, I hate everything, all just all the things. And I don't every time I like have the camera, I'd like just freeze because I'm like, I have nothing to say, nobody wants to hear what I have to say. And I know that's not true, but it feels really real in the moment. And then I get really annoyed because I'm watching everyone else showing up on social media, and then I'm like, I just watch my views go down, down, down. And it's cruel because for those who just get on Instagram and you don't necessarily post or you know, you're you're trying to scroll, yeah. You get um punished for lack of a better word, uh, for not producing to the the algorithm. Right. So if you don't show up, Instagram will then pull your content and then not share it. So it's kind of like the more you do, you get a pat on the back, and then when you need to take a break, you get penalized. Penalized. Um so it is a little bit of like a struggle bus because what do you do? So I thought about this and I realized in my own little solution is I need to like batch when I'm feeling good and then post when post that content when I'm feeling bad.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. But it's just hard work. It is it is work. Social media, like I said, it's very much a mental mind game. It's a very an it it's more of an emotional experience for me, and like it just messes so much. Well, it is truly a pole of comparison. It is. I the I'm better than you, or this is what I'm doing, and then if you're not doing it, like then you think to yourself, okay, well, why am I not doing that? I should be doing that. Why she and some people will say, Oh, that's just a jealousy, that's a this. It's first of all, we are all jealous by nature. Okay, so if you don't think you are, you probably should re-evaluate yourself. Um, because we all are. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I think that it makes you hold yourself to a higher standard to a certain extent. And and just because you might be a little bit jealous does not mean that you're not happy for somebody else or proud of them. So don't mistake the two. Yeah. Um, because it's okay to be like, oh god, I wish I had that, and like, oh, I wish I looked like them, or I wish I was there, or whatever. But you can also be happy for somebody at at the same time. But if you are somebody who struggles with constantly seeing or thinking that everybody else is always doing better, and you just beat yourself up about it, then social media is just not the place for you until you can get your head on. And and some people just it's just better for them to avoid it at all costs.

SPEAKER_03

That's true. And that is the distinction of jealousy versus shame. Yeah. Because so, like, okay, I make a video, right? And I I post it to Saint, it's a makeup tutorial or whatever it is. I tag them, I do all the things, they don't respond at all. And then you're scrolling and you're like, oh man, I hope they can't wait for them to see that. And then you see, here's all the people they promoted that day. And you're and you're like, oh, okay. And I am, I'm gonna be very open about this. I'm I really like Saint a lot. Um, I'm just not sure. I'm not understanding the whole they want the affiliates to do all the promotions, which is fine, but then they're not highlighting those people, and they're only focusing on the top 25 sellers, and there's thousands of us. Right. And it's become a bit of a point of contention in the brand. A lot of people have responded with, hey, thanks. Like, why don't you care about you want us to to advertise for you, and you're not giving us any kind of applause or recognition or anything.

SPEAKER_01

It it is it sucks because it's not just makeup brands, like our one skincare line, they got bought out and they've been changing everything, even to the fact that like before you had to have a spa to go through that in order to get it, and now they want to change it so that anybody can just go on their site and and purchase. For most of these companies, um, especially in what I do, like we built them. The small businesses are the ones that got them to where they are, and then when you want to go and and and change that or take certain things away from them, um it sucks and it makes those people then question, okay, well, maybe we should just go somewhere else. And honestly, like I wish more companies would look at the smaller people and realize that most of the time the smaller people bring in way more than those elites as a whole. Like, you know, yeah, you might have your top 25, 50 people, yeah, they're bringing in a lot, they get a lot of social media, blah, blah, blah. But it's those smaller people that even though they might only get 10 to 20, when you have a million smaller people.

SPEAKER_03

Um, it's interesting because Saint used to be an MLM, which love it or hate 'em. Yeah. There's some brands do better with with that. Then they changed to kind of like how it is now. It's more affiliate-led, sponsored. Um, and that's my frustration because when Saint themselves make posts and like shop here, anyone can just go to the website. So it's like, well, why do I need to shop through one of these people when I can just shop on the site? So there's a there's a disconnect there. They're trying to be everything. And then they just recently um they're on Shopify now. And yeah, I and uh it hasn't been announced yet, but they have privately to us. There is a new CEO. Um, so I am I am waiting to see how the brand is going to change. But I I get it, every business has to do things, but if you're gonna pretend that you're one model, you need to be that model the entire way. Right. So anyway, I I still love the brand. I'm just not I'm just not gonna make my social media solely about that because it's just me working for someone else, and that's not the point. I wanted to do things for myself. Right. So be on the lookout for a change, I'll say. Because I'm part of my social media homework here has been I need to do something different within social media. I'm tired of it's like all the same color analysis craft. It's like, oh, what color looks best on Tina? One, two, or three. It's it is silly that it's like, okay, how can I be different and show up then? So I'm in a I'm in a I'm coming out of a funk and I'm trying to really spark creativity. So, let's drift it down. Social media is such a hilarious word. But so social media started out, uh, I mean, truly, it was probably my space first and foremost. Yes. I didn't have one. Did you have one?

SPEAKER_00

I did.

unknown

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

What was your did you have a song that you put on? I don't no, I don't remember. That was gosh.

SPEAKER_03

It was like a web page designed however you wanted, right? And then you had like your top ten friends. Like I said, I I didn't have it, but uh and I guess before that was AOL, the chat room.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we had AOL, yeah, and your MySpace, which quickly turned into Facebook.

SPEAKER_03

Yep, and then it turned into Facebook, and then you know, which somehow is still going for certain age brackets in business. But um, then it switched, then it's and then now we have Instagram, Twitter. There's so many, there's so many. Um, and it's supposed to be by design a way for you to connect, stay abreast, there's my word again, of news and what's going on in the world and being more interactive. And I really think that's that's all well and good. But as all of you know, that there's a major dark side to social media, and that's such a dark side. Negative, negative, negative, and negative negativity is what sells. They even say, like, in my color analysis group, this one girl was talking about how one of her reels went viral, but now she's got a few negative Nancy's in there that are trying to tell her she's wrong. And the the instructor was like, Well, it's a teaching moment, but also you're getting attention, good or bad, it's attention, and that's it's a numbers game with social media.

SPEAKER_01

Social media reminds me of kids with ADHD because it's popping off all the time, and people don't care most of the time if they're getting the views because whether it's positive or negative, they're still getting it. Yeah, exactly. And it's deblining no matter what. And that's how kids with ADHD are. Like they are just they don't care. They are craving that attention, they don't care whether it's good or bad. Um, their decision making and their processing doesn't necessarily hit before they do things. You think about social media, you think about how people just post. I mean, you have these people that will post 20 times a day about every little thing that they are doing, and then it's like, oh, maybe I shouldn't put that up there. But it's too late now. It's out there because it's out there, and maybe you got it down quick enough, but yeah, somebody probably saw it.

SPEAKER_03

Not to mention the okay, you're picking up your phone, right? You're opening social media, let's say Instagram. It is unhinged. Your scroll leaf, your feed could be baby elephants getting rescued from the zoo. You scroll down, it's a makeup tutorial. You scroll down again, it's wildfire footage. It is it is all over the place. And then there's like kids playing or something from your youth, and it is so numbing, and you never know what you're gonna see. And it's like, what? And no wonder, like you're you ever stare at somebody, like a loved one, and they're on their phone, and you're staring, and you're staring, and you're like, any minute now they're gonna look up, and then finally they come out of this daze and they see you, and you're like, I have been staring at you for the last eight minutes, and and you don't even see your peripheral, you're just focused, and that is incredible, and that is why social media is free. If you ever wondered that everybody, it's because we are the product. Um, and there's lots of benefits to it, to social media, but I don't think anybody is really using it responsibly. Like technically, if I wanted to be on there as a content creator, I should either unfollow or mute all of people who are similar to me. Right. So that I can show up and not compare, because that's that's it. I follow Saint. Well, Saint's gonna push all their products, all their models, all their top sellers, all the people that have been doing it for 10 years plus. They have major brand deals. Like, this is nothing to them. Yeah. And they're not showing the people who are like me, because there's lots of them who are like me, the little people who are like, hey guys, like I'm actually a real person and I just want to show you what works for me. They're not showing that. Right. So I don't even get to see someone like me. I'm seeing people who are just killing it, and good for them. And I mean that. There's a girl that I follow who's one of the top top 20 of Saint, and the only reason why I started doing what I'm doing is because I enjoyed her content so much that I thought, well, I can do that. Like, right. Like, I shouldn't be feeling some sort of way just because she's out there. I'm like, I can do that. So if you're feeling bad or jealous, right, just remember, like, you can you can do it too. Like there's no stopping you. And if you're choosing not to do it, then let that go.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Let it go. So anyway, yes, social media is great, but it is curious what it's doing for it does something different for everybody. And it it's interesting because you're really not on it. You get on it occasionally and you'll like share stuff. Like you'll share the beauty files and you'll share your I don't even do that.

SPEAKER_01

Somebody else does it.

SPEAKER_03

On your personal page?

SPEAKER_01

I I need to know who you hire. All this time. No, I thought you were just talking to me. It's fine.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I literally haven't been on Insta. That's so good. In oh my gosh, six months, if not more. Like not even looked at it.

SPEAKER_03

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Like I it's it's right there. Yeah. For me to unaware.

SPEAKER_03

It's and I'm on it.

SPEAKER_01

And I just know that it will destroy you. Destroy me. Like, and it's so stupid. I just I'm I just think I'm very fragile and um I shouldn't be. That sounds really stupid, and it sounds very weak. No, it sounds very self-aware. You're you know yourself and look, we all have And I would have to I would have to get on it and like unfollow or like hide pretty much everything that is currently on it. I'd be curious what would then show up.

SPEAKER_03

I would have my algorithm all kittens and then post-makeup tutorials, yeah. And then I don't even see those and it's just kittens, I think I I'd be alright. Yeah. That's not what it is.

SPEAKER_01

Like if it just went to your page and like you didn't see all the other things first, but the second you tap on it, that's what it does, is it just shows you everybody else's shit. And it's addicting. Even if you're like, I don't want to know, I don't need to know, like you don't want to know about other businesses, people that are doing like other things around you, blah blah blah. Like, even if you don't want to know, you're gonna know. You're gonna know because it just pops up. Like you said, how do you stop yourself sometimes from looking because of curiosity? And let me tell you guys, curiosity killed the cat. And I just don't want to die.

SPEAKER_03

I don't want the kittens. Of my feed to to die. Yes. Well, social media is not the beginning of social comparison. Okay. It's a lot older than that. There's that expression keeping up with the Joneses, right? That's your that's your neighbor who got the new thing, and you think you have to get the new thing. And it's just always, it's always been. It's just so amplified now. And so and now with people you don't even know. Right. It's the Joneses in Arizona who you have you will never meet, but now you're comparing yourselves to them.

SPEAKER_01

You compare yourself to everyone. And then especially like for me, I look at it like, oh, well, you're so much younger and you're doing so much you know what I mean? And it's like okay, but you're not them, you don't know what else is going on in their life. And let's be fair. So something happened recently, and it was posted on social media, and it was sad, but made it look like the relationship they had was wonderful, and everything that was posted was just like supportive and encouraging and everything else. And then you see that person, yeah, and you get the information and you get the the down low and you get the nitty-gritty, and you're like, oh, well, damn, that's that's not what you're showing online. Not what it looks like online. When you're in it and you're watching it and you're in that moment, your brain cannot compute that.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It oh yeah, exactly. Okay, just because this is what it's showing, you have no idea what the truth is. While you hear situations like that and you know that, your brain is still telling you, oh well, everything in their life is wonderful, why isn't it yours? Because you see it. Because you see it right. Because you see it, and it's like, okay, well, seeing is believing, right? Because isn't that what we tell our kids? Seeing is believing. So if you see it, then you should believe it.

SPEAKER_00

And guess what, guys? It's a lie.

SPEAKER_03

It it really is. Even down to oh gosh, I don't know. Like, there's like fashion influencers, and you know, it it gets a little overwhelming because some brands will send products, some people will buy the thing, try it on, showcase it, here's my link, and then they'll return it all. Right. So they're not even keeping the thing. I remember there was a girl I followed, and she was amazing. Like everything she tried on, I'm like, I really want that. I really and I would buy the thing, and then I put it on, and I'd be like, Okay, something's not right. And that was happening a lot, and she looked super petite because cameras, there's a lot of tricks. Come to find out, she's 5'10, and I'm 5'3, and I'm wondering why these jeans that she got from Target for $20 look impeccable on her, and they come up to my chin. And it's like it would have been nice if you told me that. It's just it's smoke and mirrors. Yeah. Just and I guess, yeah, shame on me. I should have done a little bit more digging, but you don't think that in the moment. You see a girl, you see the link, you're like, this link's gonna expire, I gotta get it. It's all based off of scarcity. It's like scarcity and abundance had a baby. Yeah. And that became Instagram stories.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the Instagram sales reps. You know, that's what I always say.

SPEAKER_03

It's like Well, there's that expression, never buy anything that has an ad. And that is all Instagram is.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, all Instagram is ads, and it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

So I guess these are the grievances. Let us know if you have similar grievances, but um, it's more like what do you do about it? Because in certain industries, there is no doing about it. You have to show up, you have to do the thing. I told you yesterday when you were doing my lashes, I was listening to a podcast where two YouTubers, I guess, yeah, that I know and love interviewed each other. It was like a like an amazing collab. It was great. It was a four-hour-long interview. But um, they both were lamenting about social media and and putting content out. And in the beginning, the one guy was posting like five days a week, which is like as a YouTuber, I I I wouldn't know, but I hear that that's like insane. That's that's too much. He burnt out, right? He went, he took a day off, had a really bad case of writer's block, and then a day became a week. And when he went back on, the betrayal that his audience felt, they were like, How dare you? You don't care about this, you don't care about what you do, you leave us high and dry. And he was like, I have a decision to make. I can either get upset about this and defensive, right? He's like, but they're right. I, this is what I chose to do. I chose to be a content creator, and if I'm just gonna not create, they're gonna go somewhere else. And the people who are loyal are gonna stay, and that's why I'm doing this. So it was kind of it was kind of like the kick in the the pants that I needed, because it was like, you want to do this, you better be prepared to show up and talk about the same thing over and over again, because that's what the people want. And and here they're just kind of like that's social media, so it's like, you need money? Here they are. Like this is this is how you do it. It's no different than any other job. Yeah. Show up to and do the work. So I needed to hear that because it was nice, because in my mind, they quote unquote they made it, right? They're very successful, and even they have minutes of like but how long did it take them to get there?

SPEAKER_01

You know, you also have to take that in consideration.

SPEAKER_03

Uh not that long. One of them was 2019. I mean, that's not that was well, I mean, yeah, I guess that was a while ago now. But but doesn't seem like it in my mind, given like all that's happened. So I guess what I'm saying is it's like it's a machine, and you either feed the machine or you get out. Yeah. Like there's no you're gonna get eaten by it.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I do think, depending on what you do, five days a week, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. That is a lot five days a week for then this was YouTube, so these are like actual hour-long productions. Yeah. Like that's a lot. That's a lot. That's not necessarily Instagram, right? You get what, a minute on a story. If you go over, you get cut off. Um, so it's but I guess when I'm uh back to the original question, well, what did you do about it? So if if what we're saying is is landing or it's hitting different, and you're hearing it for the first time of like, yeah, you know what? When I am on social media or Instagram in particular, I do check out and I find myself just sitting and scrolling when I could be doing anything else. It kind of depends on your level of addiction. I guess. Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um I I think like I thought about it, I was like, for the podcast, I probably could like log into that one and be okay. Because there's nothing on it.

SPEAKER_03

There's lots on it, actually.

SPEAKER_01

That pops up that's similar, you think?

SPEAKER_03

Well, maybe because we follow Oh, we do follow all of the And they claim they're they're not linked, but somehow I think so. I think so. It's yeah, it's um whatever you like, they're gonna show you. And that's kind of a bummer. I don't know. I'm not sure. Well, it's something like like or talk about it sounds like you're doing it correctly. You have someone that is doing it for you, and you are still showing up in quotes, and you're just getting after it in your daily grind. That's amazing. I would not change that. Yeah, guys, if you can do that, have someone do it for you. If you're especially if you're doing it for business, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but I yeah, I I definitely was like for my own mental health, like it was definitely just a better thing. And here's the thing like, do we really need to know what everybody else, whether that be like your business, what all other businesses are doing, like all the time? Do you really need to know that? I mean, no. Is it necessary or should you allow yourself to have creativity and think about like what would I want to do, or what do I think would be a better option? Not necessarily knowing what everybody else is doing.

SPEAKER_03

Um I like looking what other people are doing so that I know not to do that. But that's only a very recent discovery of like I don't even like how they're doing it. I don't like any of the color analysis stuff I see on Instagram. I feel like it's hokey, it's very diminishing of the service, it's it's very like game showy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. You know, the one thing that I'll um I don't know if you follow anybody that does this. Um people are always like, you have to show up and you have to like, you know, put yourself out there all the time and be on there. And it's like, but do you really need to have your face in there all the time? Do you really need to be talking into your phone 24-7? Or can you just show a snippet of a picture?

SPEAKER_03

Or can you this is what I'm exploring right now.

SPEAKER_01

Like you're doing a makeup tutorial or you're trying on clothes or you're doing something like that, I would watch that. But if you're just sitting there and you're talking to me about like what you're doing throughout the day, and it's not necessarily about a product, it's not necessarily about a treatment, it's not about um specific color analysis, or it's what's the point. It could be random. I I sit there and I think like you go on there every day and you would just talk about like I ate chicken again and or I went to the gym again, and like honestly, good for you that you are doing that, but I don't care.

SPEAKER_03

I would say if that's all you're doing. Well, okay, I I see both ends of it because I think the other half of that argument is well, they want to see the real me. They want to know the personality behind the brand. And I I'm not opposed to that.

SPEAKER_01

There's a balance, and it needs to be the thing is like I do think too, okay, if that is like your only job. Sure. If it's your only job, like that's your your moneymaker, like you're a content creator, and like that's what you do, and you video your kids, or you video this or you do that, I can understand you doing that. But if you're doing it to support a different business, while we do need to know like maybe a little bit about who you are and see you, um, I do think that everybody deserves privacy. Everybody deserves a little bit of okay, well, I'm gonna give you a little bit of me, but you're not gonna get all of me. If you want to get all of me, come see me.

SPEAKER_03

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01

And I do think that there should be some of that in there. And you would hope that people are putting up those parameters. But I don't think people do.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's why therapy is just gonna continue to be a thing because yeah, it just really is a wild time. But like it's just this, I just feel like we're like in Looney Tunes. Like everything is just a big joke. Mm-hmm. It's all these serious matters that are now just they're just funny, like funny, sad.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I I just I don't know where we're going. Social media and everything out there desensitizes us. Yes. That's so it's the the um the point of it is to desensitize. It is to put the most ridiculous things out there and make you see it over and over and over again so that it seems like whatever.

SPEAKER_03

Even and it doesn't phase you. Well, it's working. And and good job, everyone, because you're right. I just feel really dumb as a like as a society. Like we're just we're just accepting what is and it it's this is dark. I I um I'm like I'm waking up though, of I'm being aware of it. Right. And I want to change it because I don't really care for where it's headed. Right. And I don't know how you steer that enormous ship and go to a better direction. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know. But I think we should start doing funny reels for us for the podcast. I would say for the podcast. Yeah. We need to do something. And yes, l I feel like lately we've kind of been we throw in bits about beauty and stuff like that. Um we've been talking more about like things that we've been doing in our daily or things that have been kind of heavy on us. And I do think that that is like we are a little overwhelmed with all the things. All the things. And so you guys uh sorry if we've been a little not as beauty-oriented or procedure-oriented as maybe we were. Um we'll get back to it. We'll get back to it. We just uh we're derailing a little.

SPEAKER_03

We also we had movies to watch, yeah. And that's the other thing, you know, the podcast uh world is also just another algorithm. So you have to talk about the right things and have the right cadence and be from the right area. It's wild.

SPEAKER_01

It is wild. When I was during the last shows yesterday, I had brought up because I think everybody knows this case. Um, um there's two specific cases, and I have found them very interesting because everybody knows about it. And I find it very interesting to hear everybody's thoughts and opinions on it. The Ohio, or was it the Idaho? Sorry, the Idaho, the the four students that were murdered at college. So that case had we all thought been put to rest. And he has decided to what is it, Brian? Is it Brian? Brian? Brian, um what's his last name? Brian Koberger. Koberger. So he had decided to plead guilty, and then I think he got like four consecutive life sentences for the murders of each student, and then more recently has decided that he is going to appeal that case and say not guilty due to saying that he was pressured into uh making that plea because of I don't know if it was the DAs or the officers or whatever. Um so I do believe that that will now possibly go to trial and we'll have to go through that whole thing and see if they're actually going to find him guilty or not guilty.

SPEAKER_03

Um Yeah, I was looking at the update on that. There isn't one. They're just reviewing his request.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, for his appeal. Um, but that case has always seemed very fishy, and I don't know if y'all remember when it all happened. It took them almost a month, I believe, to even quote unquote arrest him, or it was it over a month? I can't remember. It was a while.

SPEAKER_03

Um Well, I live under a rock, so I just heard about this just a couple nights ago.

SPEAKER_01

So there's like there's a Netflix documentary.

SPEAKER_03

I heard, I heard that too. So if you're not familiar, it's a it's a gentleman by the name of Brian, what did we say? Coburger. Kohberger, yeah. And 4 a.m. something a very, you know, in the middle of the night went time window. He broke into a college home. Yeah. And I mean murdered is like just not even the right word. But slaughtered. Yeah. She slaughtered them. Four individuals in two separate rooms on two separate floors.

SPEAKER_01

One happening to be a I think the the male was like six foot something.

SPEAKER_03

Like a larger guy. Three women, one man, and the time the amount of time it took to do the murders was ten minutes. Yeah. And the way that they were killed. Yes. It seems pretty unbelievable for s for one person. To do that. To do that. Not to mention, yeah, the the one guy was just in his bed. Yeah. Dead. And he was six foot two, two hundred and eighty pounds. This guy is not built like that, the guy who um Brian. Um he's like a tall, skinny. Yeah, so what has happened to the three women, other than it being just absolutely grotesque, but you have to you have to remove emotion from this story because there's a lot of information that didn't make it to the documentary, apparently, um, because they always leave out the interesting uh tidbits. Um, but you have to question how, because it really logistically doesn't make sense of how these murders were committed in the very little time frame to the severity of which the bodies were handled.

SPEAKER_01

If you read more about it, it's um he was not even in that state, so he drove across. He was at a different college. But even one of the victims was just there for the weekend. Just coming back.

SPEAKER_03

So she graduated just visiting. So um it seems a little I'm not saying he did it or didn't do it, obviously. But I there's some questions.

SPEAKER_01

There are some questions I think a lot of us have. They said that it was taking them time to build their case, and they didn't actually arrest him. He's from Pennsylvania, so they didn't actually arrest him until he got home and he was driving home with his father. He did get pulled over at one point, but they let him go. So there's a lot of it's just very interesting.

SPEAKER_03

And there were like lots of people in the house.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, there were two other roommates in the house, and one apparently saw him and then just went to bed.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And he had like a balaclava on, he was in all black. Yeah, I it's his eyebrows. It's was it they always talked about his eyebrows. Oh, him too. Who's the other guy um who killed the United Healthcare guy? Luigi. Luigi. Yeah, it talks about his eyebrows as well, so that's very interesting. Um, yeah, so and then apparently like the neighbors next door heard screaming, they didn't call anybody. So even the people in the house didn't hear it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

There's just it just it makes you wonder how it all truly went down. And was there somebody else? Were the roommates were any of the roommates like in the world?

SPEAKER_03

Based on they all were killed differently. And it's usually dark you guys, I'm sorry. Apparently, you guys some of you like true crime, so you're here you go.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um w one of the bodies in particular, one of the women, was far more Yeah, mutilated than the rest. And now addition to her body being handled in that manner, she died of asphyxiation. So that like that has me, and then again, the time frame doing that to one person is difficult. Right. Do you remember um the case that was actually local, the Whitman brothers? Yes. Um that I wish I I mean, I wasn't really old enough to like understand what was going on, but the amount of times that even he, like the brother, was stabbed.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think was seven was it like 72 or 20. It was 75 or something like that.

SPEAKER_03

And that was like with the argument of like, do you know the the physical like exertion that would take? So it's and so like knowing what happened to four bodies, and what, one's just gonna lay in the bed, like and and wait their turn, like how do you not run out of there?

SPEAKER_01

Like there's just I think the the consensus was like they had all been out drinking and came back, so I think they were trying to say but you know, part of me though, like let's say that he he did do it. You're telling me nobody else helped you. That's what and and to that matter, like why wouldn't you just tell on that person? Like, why are you gonna take the fall for it? I I just feel like there's more to it. And I do question it being I mean, unless he was that enraged, and I would definitely want to know by what, but it didn't even seem like he had any kind of relationship with any of the people in the home. From when I originally remember seeing it.

SPEAKER_03

And the one bedroom was top floor very back. Yeah. So, like, unless he for sure knew like that's not the one you start with. No. Like, and that's the one he started with. Yeah. I just And this was also really interesting. In the hallway, on the way to the next room, there was blood splatter everywhere, but it was diluted by some sort of substance. Wouldn't say what the substance was. Don't know if it was the stuff that cleaned. No, no, not sure if someone tried to clean up. There was no time to do any of that. Like the window, it's like not for him to do unless one of the roommates like came up and was like. But this girl Dylan, I think her name is, she was the one who was the eyewitness. And her story has changed several times. They never questioned her more like suspect level. Um It's really something. I I I honestly I would be very curious if they say yes to a trial, because all of this stuff would would enter the trial. Because he pled guilty, there's no trial. So they don't have to do apparently there's like thousands of pages to go through.

SPEAKER_01

I think they were trying to say like the firing squat because that was one of the reasons that they said that he ultimately changed his mind. It was a death penalty. The death penalty. Yes. And I think they were like, you're gonna get it no matter what. Um and that was ultimately what they, you know, quote unquote I saw, like what made him decide to go with a guilty plea. Um I just do I think that he looks a little off, like probably does have something going on, like he just looks Yeah, they said he's very res very shy, doesn't have a lot of yeah, friends.

SPEAKER_03

He's he honestly that's the other piece of this that has me. Was he a plant? Because he fits the mold for what people would be like, oh, there's something wrong with him. And he just fits the part for everyone to make him the villain. Yep. And because you now have a face to the murder, like you You can't get that out. Like you Well, you remove all logic. Yeah. Like you should question why it took minutes to kill four people on two different floors when one of them could take him in a second, and probably the girls too, if I'm being honest. Like and how he could do that while the other couldn't get away.

SPEAKER_01

And the other thing too, guys, is that there was no sexual crime, like there was nothing sexual about this. It was pure fury and evil and just anger to do that to people the way that it was done. Um, so you know, I it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01

I go back to okay, well, scorn boyfriends or something in the family or somebody who the amount of exertion, like we said, anger, fury that it would take away.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and he just had a knife, it's not like he had like a machine gun. I mean and not to mention this is really gross, but like think about all that blood. Holding a knife would be really slippery. Slippery. Yeah. So like even like that kind of stuff has me like.

SPEAKER_01

And you know they tore the house down. Of course, oh my god, don't tell me. Yes. So again, dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_03

So I gotta get that sound bite again.

SPEAKER_01

Um they that was something that happened and they kept trying to stop that from happening, but I do believe I don't know when if that was like a year, like two years ago it happened. I'm pretty sure they did because everybody was mad that they wanted to get they couldn't like I don't know if they like originally condemned it, and then the owners were like, we're gonna take it down.

SPEAKER_03

Wow. I'm looking at Rachel just with like eyes.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So um that was something that happened. And so that was a big case, and I thought that it was very, very interesting. The other thing that's going on is they also the the lawyer, what was his name, down in North Carolina that murdered his family members, his wife and his son.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I forget his name. Murdoch? Yep, that's right.

SPEAKER_01

So that is they're trying to redo that case again.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, I've heard yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Is it uh is it a go? I don't know. They're saying that he would have to pay to for a new trial. Or something, something along the lines like of that. But I mean, he is entitled to it since um Yeah, it was that one juror, like Well no, the jurors came forward about the um who was it, the secretary or whoever that was writing the book and that whole thing happened. Yes. So now you have that, and then the other interesting one, and a lot of people know about this, is the the Charlie Kirk murder, um, assassination, whatever you would like to call it. Um so that trial has also started. So if you're interested in you guys like true crime and you're, you know, you find things like that, it's a little off topic, but I always find these cases so interesting because a lot of times I'll I won't say a lot of times, sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they get it really wrong. And while one of these cases I think they got it right, there are two of them that I think are wrong. And you can think whatever you want and and try to imagine which ones I'm, you know, unsure of. Um, but yeah, I am very curious to see how these are all gonna play out.

SPEAKER_03

I always have a hard time with these because as a conspiracy theorist, I think it's all a circus because I don't even think it was the kid who killed Charlie Kirk. So you have this trial for this guy so it's like, well, to me this is all null and void because they have the wrong guy.

SPEAKER_01

So But I don't you think the Ohio, like, I mean, thinking about that.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, and then you have They only have this girl's account of him even being there. Yes, I find it suspicious that his phone was off, but if there's like something else at play here, you can turn off anybody's phone. You can plant anything on someone's computer, you can I just I think we're not as free as we think we are. And this is where I think there's patsies and there's people at play, there's depends on how deep you want to go. Like they still say that there's a CIA like mind control. You can like turn on these people and they can go do a thing and have no again, it just depends on how deep you want to go and how much time uh until it's all true, because usually all the things that were conspiracy then become true. So that is a little black pilly of me, but I you know, I I'm here for it. I do think it's entertaining and I do think it's great to talk about, but that is to me, it's like, well, is that why? Because something else is going on and we're not supposed to pay attention to it.

SPEAKER_01

And I oh I always think that too, like watch this so that you like look over here so you're not looking over there kind of thing. Um I felt like that about the Johnny Depp case too, which I had to laugh about because y'all, who the F cares? Oh, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_03

Why was that so public?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, right? It was just a defamation case. Like I But you know the the Charlie Kirk trial is not being televised. I think you can listen to it, but I don't think they're actually like having videos in court. I believe that it's licensed very interesting. And I find that interesting too, that they're not like videoing um I b I do believe that that is i is the truth, that they're only doing um like you can listen, but you cannot record. Um, and that's coming straight from the court, and I believe that that's something that they had talked about in the very beginning, and I don't know who brought that into play, I don't know why, but I do believe a judge was like, no. Wow. We can record, people can listen, but we're not gonna like video.

SPEAKER_03

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

See that gives me that makes to me that makes me want to like listen even more and be like, well, why what's the big deal?

SPEAKER_02

Ugh.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. See all the things.

SPEAKER_03

So let us know on the latest Instagram, like what the heck direction would you like us to go? Because we can also we can totally do different segments. I mean absolutely, yeah. Um, because beauty is forever, crime is forever. Oh my gosh, always. Um apparently social media is still going pretty, pretty strongly as well. So anyway, this uh yeah, this one, sorry if it got heavy. But I again some of you really like that. I don't, but I'm here for it. If that's if that's what we need to do, maybe I need a little a little uh exposure, exposure therapy. Yeah. If I could talk about it more than I mean I watched a horror movie, like you did watch a horror movie. And I'm still here. Like I I'm still standing. And I listened to that um interview about the Ohio I always want to say Ohio. Let's just combine them. Ohioho. Oh. Oh.

SPEAKER_01

And um I know I always want to say Ohio also.

SPEAKER_03

And I was a little like oh and I did it again, I did it before bed, which is not wise. Um and I'm still here. And I and I knew about things, so you know, maybe this is good for me too. I think it is good for you. It's good for all of us. Good for me? I don't know, but I would still be exposed to new things. There you go.

SPEAKER_01

Exposure to new things that you're doing.

SPEAKER_03

Exposing. Uh expose the beauty files to your friends. Yes. Tell a friend and not what you thought I was gonna say. Share.

SPEAKER_01

Like and share. Um ask questions, ask comments, engage. And if you want us to do like a funny uh reel thing, you have some ideas, uh just throw it. Throw it out there.

SPEAKER_03

That's a fun announcement. Um starting out like literally one day a week, going to two, but I'm gonna be at Exquisite Men's Ba. So maybe shout out to uh your girl Tessa. Yeah, maybe she'll make us do some some fun reels.

SPEAKER_00

Some fun reels. Yeah. For the pod.

SPEAKER_01

That would be good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

All right, everyone. All right. This has been the Beauty Files. Case closed.