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Case #029
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Warning: this episode discusses the Lindsay Clancy case. Disturbing and upsetting topics are discussed.
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SPEAKER_00Okay. Oh ma'am. Headphones on. Uh-huh. Hi, welcome to the Beauty Files. Um, we are out of breath. Rachel's here literally between appointments and then work. Uh-huh. We're knocking this out. But it's not going to feel rushed. Hi. Hi. Um, so today I mean, we should just jump right in, right? Um, because there's a lot to talk about. We mentioned it last week, so that's why it's happening this week. We are gonna discuss the Lindsay Clancy trial, and it's gonna be wild as usual. Um I think at this point, this is uh Friday, it's very possible they're gonna come out with the verdict like soon, right?
SPEAKER_01I I mean they went out yesterday to deliberate like halfway through the day, and then they got sent home, so they're back today deliberating. Yeah, I feel like it's gonna be a while. They all have to agree. So it can't be it has to be unanimous no matter what. So if they continue on and continue on and they have to come back, and the judge has to have a talk with them, and then they go back, and they still none of them can unanimously agree, it would be a mistrial. Part of me doesn't think that that would be the worst idea to an extent because I feel like not enough digging was done.
SPEAKER_00Well, maybe we should start there. Yeah. What is it that they're deliberating? So this particular trial is not a question of whether Lindsay Clancy killed her kids. It's not that at all. No. Because she has come out and said that she did, her defense is saying she did, but the jurors are to decide whether she was criminally involved. So competent, pretty much. Yeah. So with Massachusetts law, it's not so much like okay, if you plead insanity, you're acquitted. It's not, it's not that. No. So they're deciding whether or not she truly was in a state of psychosis in this particular case, postpartum psychosis. And if in that timeline was can we say that she was truly out of her body? So it is interesting because TikTok is having a completely different, not TikTok, but social media, is having a completely different trial.
SPEAKER_01Oh, they absolutely are having a completely different trial than the one that you are actually seeing. Like the clips that you see compared to the like I have friends that are just sending me like random things, and uh you open it up and you watch it or you read it and you're like, okay.
SPEAKER_00So it is wild. I do think the rise of true crime, everything is giving all of us regulars uh a newfound confidence that we can crack the case. Oh my gosh. So it is it is interesting because if the jurors are doing if they're following directions, they won't know any of these stories that they're hearing online. They're only hearing what is being discussed in the trial in the courtroom. So I kind of can't wait for like a spin-off series, if you will, of of what will happen after all of this.
SPEAKER_01I mean, again, if they declared a mistrial, yeah, I guarantee you every single one of those jurors is gonna be interviewed and they're gonna ask them. And then they're gonna be like, well, what about this? And what about this? And what about this theory? And Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And they're gonna be like, uh and if you have a mistrial, does that mean you have to find all new jurors? Because good luck with that.
SPEAKER_01If it's it's everywhere, right? If there's a mistrial, it will be a whole new panel. Like they'll have to pull from a whole different pool of people and go through this all over again. And typically mistrials, I mean, it can be up to a year before it's retried. I mean, it doesn't happen right away.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_01Because you have to wait for all the other trials that are behind it to come. And the other thing is is that normally, like, depending on the information, um, they'll usually allot like maybe two weeks for a trial. This has been going on for what, twenty over two weeks? Twenty-one days. Twenty one days. I think is what I read. So three weeks.
SPEAKER_00So if if you are under a rock and you didn't listen to our past podcast, this was twenty twenty-three? Twenty-three. January twenty-fourth of twenty twenty-three. Yes. Uh Lindsay Clancy, um, I I mean, I'm just gonna say what it the story is of the court, right? Uh she had strangled her three young children. Her husband, Patrick, was at CVS and the uh restaurant picking up a takeout order. He came home to a quiet home, which I guess when you have three young children, that's not typical, right?
SPEAKER_01Well no, he saw her outside the window.
SPEAKER_00Oh, I think well, according to the timeline, he went in the house and chose to go upstairs, saw things something wasn't right, blood, wind all the things, then sees Lindsay, goes down, checks her first, calls 911, and he does not leave her until paramedics arrive. So once they arrive, he then leaves her side and goes and finds the children. It's apparently only the transcript of the 911 call is I I read it, but apparently hearing it is like a whole different thing. Apparently the entire courtroom was just sobbing when they heard. I mean, it's awful no matter who did it. Dogs are barking. Um, you know, three children are dead. Like that's worth crying over. Yeah. Um But he did not. He Well, he wasn't in the room when the 911 recording was playing. He was excused. She stayed. Right.
SPEAKER_01Um so But I'm saying even when he made the phone call, yeah. Um and they were saying like his voice, like he was just like hysterical about it, not just his voice rose some, but not like she fucking killed the kids. I don't was his statement. I don't know. Sorry, she unalived the kids. But no, you were quoting. You know, I mean, like that's apparently like in my mind, you go down like that statement to me.
SPEAKER_00I mean, who you never know how you're going to react in a moment like that. Some people are very stoic and they I mean think of like first responders. They are most calm when Did you see any of the trial?
SPEAKER_01Like, did you watch like video clips of the trial because they did? That man was like this.
SPEAKER_00Rachel said Rachel's having a stonewall face.
SPEAKER_01He never made an expression of sadness, not one fucking tear, not a smile, not nothing the entire time. Just blank. Like it was.
SPEAKER_00That could have been advice though. I mean, how what about Lindsay? What's her demeanor?
SPEAKER_01All over the place, crying, like just all the expressions that you would expect somebody to have during different situations. Like, men, even so, like, would get worked up. You would you would have some sort of like if you're explaining something, there's just something about it where you look at I look at him and then you compare him to someone that is well that well, but she could put on tears. Like she could I mean she could cry like that. I mean she's let's be honest, she's an actress. That's true.
SPEAKER_00Um that's for another podcast.
SPEAKER_01Um, but like I look at people that are true killers or true murderers, and you look at them and they are just Stonewall. Stonewall. No expressions, no nothing. Like they're just blank.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I don't know. Yes, that's probably true. But is that true for innocent people too? I mean, the amount of trauma that someone experiences, you just I don't know, maybe you just have to turn off because it's too painful to like listen.
SPEAKER_01He got married months later.
SPEAKER_00Well, okay, that is another thing. I do concur with that. But we're not this isn't technically about Patrick. That's my beauty of of this trial trial is just um so I guess we could well I mean we could we could continue doing a deep dive on him, but I don't think that would do a service to the listeners. So let's go through some of the TikTok theories. Okay, what I did, and yes, this is sponsored by ChatGPT, not literally, but I asked Chat to first I gave it, I well, I'll just Did you do the transcripts from I did? Yeah. Yeah, so I I'll just read everybody my prompts and just know that like I'm pulling from that. But it basically just said, and you can anyone can do this at home. Can you give me the entire situation of the Lindsay Clancy trial? What is the trial about? What are they determining and why the internet is going crazy with their own theories, and how does that pertain to the trial? Please use all and any transcripts you find online from the trial. So it pulled and it it cited everything, right? So then I was like, okay, this is too much to go over.
SPEAKER_01It's 21 days of holy crap.
SPEAKER_00So then I asked it to, and this was also a long answer, so I had to ask it to shorten it, but still remain accurate. I said. Right. And basically run it side by side with the transcripts. Because again, it's the transcripts aren't gonna talk about that Patrick did it because that's not what the trial's about.
SPEAKER_01The trial is not about that, which it's not the one thing that does baffle me um about this trial is the fact that when the police got there, they looked at their surroundings, and instead of actually investigating it, they relied on one person's statement. It's and that's true. That's literally all it did. They relied on one person's statement. They didn't look at anyone else, they didn't do anything, they literally um just went with this is it.
SPEAKER_00And Lindsay's lawyer, is he Big Red Reddington or something like that? So yeah, he did argue that police focused on Lindsay too quickly and didn't investigate everything as thoroughly as they should have. Which, I mean, right there, that's like you're already off to the races in the wrong direction. I don't even think it doesn't help though that like when Lindsay woke up, she asked the first thing she asked the um what do you call that? The pastor that's like in the hospital. What are they called? A priest? Yeah, a minister? Yeah, we'll we'll say that for lack of a better word. Asked, I mean, those are her first words. Did are my children safe in heaven or or something along those lines? Basically, like committing to the voices that she heard, because that's and that came up later too, which we'll get to. But she said she heard a male voice say Was that her first statement though?
SPEAKER_01Because I don't remember seeing it.
SPEAKER_00I It could have been summed up. I don't know. I mean, she made but that apparently was like her first like coherent thought was our mentality.
SPEAKER_01Because they were telling her the whole time though. Did you not know like they Who was telling her? Like they were going in and talking to her, like her the first thing that happened when she woke up because she wasn't s I guess they I thought they said they she wasn't speaking right. They told her what she did. Oh, interesting. And that was one of the the things that I found very interesting, and they said that from the very beginning that she was told what she did.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I saw that on Of course it was like related to the Lion King. It was Scar told Simba that he killed his dad, and he believed it. So now that's what they're saying is like Patrick told her that she kill I mean. You're saying it's not possible.
SPEAKER_01But think about it. If you are not mentally well, and then you were literally in a coma for how long, you wake up, you are already out of your mind pretty much. You've been out of your mind. And somebody Okay, so here's where it comes down to, and I think about this too. If somebody tells you the same thing over and over and over again, don't you believe that?
SPEAKER_00I mean, if you're not in a good state of mind, yes.
SPEAKER_01Which she clearly was not, and again, that's but again, if somebody sits here and tells you you're not good enough, you're not good enough, like you're in a relationship think about this, like you're in a regular relationship, and somebody is always telling you, like, you're not good enough, or you don't do this well enough, and you don't do that well enough. Even if you are in the right state of mind, there's a good chance that if it's being told to you on a regular basis, that you're gonna start believing it. Even if you know it's not true, part of you is going to start believing that. So let's go there. Like we all uh most women know this for a fact. And you know, we've talked about relationships in the past. You'll sit here and be like, that's not true about you. And I might say the same thing to you. But that's because we've heard it.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. You know, you look at Are you is this your This is a personal But I mean like is this your angle of leading up to her killing or after the fact?
SPEAKER_01Because I do think that when you are in a postpartum state of mind, and I've dealt with postpartum really bad, you're already kind of depressed, okay? So even if you weren't and somebody's telling you like you're not, like you are crazy and you should get help, and you know, you're doing all of these things, and then you have doctors just throwing meds at you constantly, like you're already so messed up that you're probably going to believe what people are telling you. Yeah. So if you're coming at it from that perspective, she was on so many different meds. Um, and some meds, like for me, I was on Zoloft for a long time. I was numb, I felt nothing. Like, you could have told me I was gonna die tomorrow. I remember I was on it when I gave birth to my son. I didn't even cry. I just kind of was like, oh, okay. Maybe Patrick's on that. You know what I mean? Like, I was just like, oh. Alright. And like I hated it because it made me feel like a zombie. So I do think that based off of everything that she was on, she was crying for help. She was begging people for help. They were ignoring her, they weren't helping her, she was committing herself, she was being let out. She was so messed up in the head that I truly think that she would believe anything that anybody told her, and that she had already started to believe that she had done something wrong. She already believed that she was a bad parent.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01She already believed that before this happened.
SPEAKER_00So I'm gonna assume that you don't think she killed her kids.
SPEAKER_01Do you I you know I think that if she did do it, here's where I have the part. There's part of me that doesn't think that she did, and there's part of me that thinks that if she had any part of it, that she was so drugged up she was unaware of anything that she was doing, and somebody was there assisting her.
SPEAKER_00Oh, interesting. So then, because I mean it at the again, looking at the trial on its by itself, Patrick's not in the house. I think he was. How? There is there's surveillance showing that he's not there.
SPEAKER_01So how do you like how do we prove that I think that timeline is wrong? I think it was messed with. I think that and that's where the question about the timeline.
SPEAKER_00His clothing was off.
SPEAKER_01Was it all his clothing or just his shoes? I heard it was just his shoes. Was underneath his shirt was on the table. Underneath the meds.
SPEAKER_02Hmm.
SPEAKER_01Or over top of the meds, I think. I forget where. There was literally statements like his shirt was off. Why is your shirt off? Hmm. His shirt that he left the house in to go get Right, right. But the body he took up and had another one on. Where did you see that?
SPEAKER_00Where does that come up?
SPEAKER_01That was in the trial.
SPEAKER_00That was in so why do they mention that in the trial if it's not about him?
SPEAKER_01Uh they were talking about I think they were talking about the setup, what the house looked like, the interior of the home. I mean, because that is when he walked upstairs, you were saying like how things were there. And he did say in the trial about when he left the house the kids were quote unquote on the couch eating chicken nuggets. Mm-hmm. And that was in the trial too. But that's just fucked about.
SPEAKER_00Interesting, because if that's if that made it to the trial, I mean that immediately should you should drop the trial and look at other things. Is it because she admitted that she killed the kids?
SPEAKER_01The only reason that that she said that she did it.
SPEAKER_00So again, we're back to the fact that Yeah, but even still, that should be crazy cross um um what's the word? Analyzed, whatever. The thing. Because a lot of people will admit that will say they did something and they didn't. Right. And oftentimes that comes up a lot and they will they will find reason to prove that she didn't do it.
SPEAKER_01They also said that she was bipolar prior to the case. Yes, they did, they did say that.
SPEAKER_00But they also she was just evaluated like days before the the murders, and no one found there was no psychosis, no hallucinations, no like she was cleared of all that. So it's and then I guess that's the argument of the the prosecution is like how convenient that she's never had any she's never spoken of any other like voices, no hallucinations, and yet first time ever, she's got it like right then and there, and then never again. Right.
SPEAKER_01So And then did but did you see what they said as far as the drugs that were in her system?
SPEAKER_00Um No, but I feel like they were There was a bunch. Right, which I mean, look, it is it is a And who crushes them?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. Because they were crushed. I mean She had a 10-minute window. Was it 10 or 15?
SPEAKER_00Even so. Even so, but uh she was doing all normal things, all that she took her child to the pediatrician that day, like she was functioning normally. Who can do that in a 10-minute time window? Well, I mean, I have 15 minutes. We discussed this with the murders of the college. How do you commit three murders in less than five minutes to the degree that those bodies were mutilated? How does Tyler Robinson how how is it that you can like you can take a blurry image and enhance like a bad movie and all of a sudden it becomes crystal clear and it's him? I mean, the the issue, and maybe now too with this trial, the issue is the subject matter of the trial. It's a waste because it's not the main question. No. And the fact that she's saying she did it, like you said, she's being Do you know that there was a point?
SPEAKER_01Sorry to end up, please. There was a point, and I watched it because I've one of my clients showed me um the clips from the trial where she reaches over and I don't I think it was I don't know if it was her husband who was um they were questioning, I forget who it was, and she reached over and grabbed her attorney's hand and looked at him and said, Oh my god, he did it. What? What day was that? Um, I think it was I don't know if it was. Lindsay said that Yeah. She she like mouthed it to him and you could see it and um they had showed me the clip to it and she literally looked over and said Oh my god. He did it.
SPEAKER_00So I gotta find that.
SPEAKER_01I you know, if you truly killed your kids, I know that she was crying hysterically and like had to be removed from the courtroom because when they were then they were um talking about like their death and how they died and but I no normal sane person that had no remorse and did something purposefully like that would respond in that way.
SPEAKER_00Well you mean like how Patrick No, like how she did. Do you know what I mean? Like Oh, I see what you're saying.
SPEAKER_01So we go back to they're saying it was her, and like, okay, are we trying to decide whether she was with it or not with it? A sane, normal person, even when you or I get angry, and like you get angry and you're like so angry, and like okay, maybe you're somebody who will tap your kid on the butt, or maybe you're somebody who will yell at them, or maybe you're somebody who will put them in time out or put them in their room or take something away from them. Um those are all normal responses. Why is there a little thing over there? What do you see that that character by the light? Oh, it's Dexter. Okay, yep. Yeah, it's Dexter. Okay. We have it's a doll.
SPEAKER_00It's a doll of Dexter. Um everyone's favorite serial killer. Yeah. My um creepily just sitting over there. Um about to uh It's true. My um husband and daughter are watching Dexter, which I I don't think is at all appropriate for her. Um, but he seems to be uh editing as much as he can. He's already given up on the language. He's like, yes, these were just words that you're gonna hear. Um but anyway, yes, we have a Dexter figure. Um and he is he it's true, he is lurking and looking at us. Yeah, but he's he's friendly because we didn't do anything bad. But he would be taking out Patrick. Do you understand? If this if this were uh a Dexter TV show and Lindsay is on trial for things she didn't do, yeah, Dexter would already be wiping her out. Yeah, or him out. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So but, anyways, back to what I was saying, like a normal response, even for me when I was in my postpartum, I'm like, I would put my child down and walk away because I was just so overstimulated. And when you get to that point, it's like, but when you come back, then you're like, I'm so sorry. Like, regardless of whether, like, you're just like, I was so upset with you and so overwhelmed at that moment, and I shouldn't have responded like that, but I am I I apologize. We don't go harming them, right? She was terrified and and would have to leave work early because she thought that something bad was going to happen to them. She had such bad anxiety, that's why she left her nursing job. Because her anxiety was so bad that she thought something bad was gonna happen to them, and so she wanted to be home with them, so she was truly going through it, and in her head, these scenarios were just so overwhelming. Sure, and that's that that's part of it, yeah, she couldn't handle it, and she couldn't handle being at work. She just her head was so messed up. So again, this was eight months of her begging for help and trying to get help, and doctors not looking at her full history, not keeping her in, not allowing her to fully detox from one med to another. Her husband knowing that this was going on at times he he wasn't there all the time.
SPEAKER_00Allegedly. I mean, we don't actually know. We know what is being fed to us on Instagram algorithms and this trial that isn't talking about him at all.
SPEAKER_01But she was home at times by herself and but didn't want to be. And then she would have and friends even testified like she they knew something wasn't right and they wanted to help, but she was like, No, it's okay at times, and then at other times it wasn't okay. And again, so they also say like she had dealt with postpartum from the first child.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So this is leaning back a long way, and I think that her hormones were really, really messed up. But again, somebody who if she did it, I truly believe that she was not there. Yeah. She was not in her a clear state of mind. Um, she was not there. Also, she is a nurse. Mm-hmm. Okay. We know where mean arteries are, don't we?
SPEAKER_00Do you remember that when you're in a state of psychosis? I don't know. Well, you could if you manage to strangle your kids, how would you not remember where a mean artery is? That's very true. Yeah. And I it is interesting. I didn't read where her neck was sliced, but that seems like insane to slice your own neck. Like who does that?
SPEAKER_01You slice your own neck and throw yourself out a window?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And your her wrists as well. But I don't even think it was done in the right way. I didn't look at that.
SPEAKER_00I didn't I just knew I was like, I know they can look at her wounds to and and see if they were self-inflicted. The only thing I can think of is if I mean this is dark, everybody, sorry, but if he physically had his hand on hers and was making her make those. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how deep it goes.
SPEAKER_01We'll go back to your let's go back and do the TikTok from chat, because I'm sorry, we just kind of went off because I yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because we went cray cray. Well, I mean, that's why this case is so it's all of it. I mean, it's it because if you're looking, I mean, even if you're looking at it just as the trial, determining whether she was in a true state of psychosis or not is already difficult to grasp.
SPEAKER_01I I hope for three things. Mm-hmm. And I'll say this before you read off. I hope that A, it's either a mistrial, and we go back to the drawing board, but I hope that if that were to happen, that her attorney would say not guilty, or he would say, No, no, no, like you guys didn't investigate enough. Right. Um, I hope that it would either be not guilty altogether.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01And that's because they're going, because they have to look at the case. Like they have to look at all the evidence and bring it all back to her.
SPEAKER_00If she if it is not guilty though, I think she she doesn't get off. I think they put her in a psychiatric like hospital. Like I don't think because But only for a short period of time. Yes, and then they would re-evaluate. Yeah. But that's still strange though, because she has admitted that she's done it. So if she gets not guilty on that, and then they could get guilty, but with But she could still get out.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah. She can if she gets guilty.
unknownUh-huh.
SPEAKER_01But based off of crazy for that. Based off of her being in a state of psychosis, yeah. She can still get off. Okay, continue.
SPEAKER_00What's your what's your third?
SPEAKER_01That was my third. Oh, okay. That's my third. Yeah, so mistrial, not guilty. Well, I should say I'll I'll go in the order. I think that I think that what would help her because I know that they want to, and they should go after the doctors and pharmaceutical companies. So I think that they do find her guilty because she was in a state of psychosis. Um, that will give her the leverage to go after who she needs to go after. Because I do I do think that doctors are covered more than they should be, especially in this situation where she was reaching out for help constantly. I think meds are used more than they should be and not regulated enough. So I do think that that would definitely help them be able to pursue their their further cases. If it's that verdict. If it's that verdict. If it's a mistrial, we're hoping that they would a whole new investigation goes under. Yes. Correct. And then the other thing would just be not guilty.
SPEAKER_00And watch them knock down the house. That'll be that'll just be the Well no.
SPEAKER_01Do you do you know who bought their house? Oh, who? The one of the admit top DAs of the entire case. Really? It's like this guy.
SPEAKER_00On which side? Just the like DA is Oh, but that's the prosecution, is it? Oh dear God. That's that's the whole point.
SPEAKER_01It's like I've I mean I'd rather that than them demolish it or you know Right, but that's what happened in the for the college students. Yeah, they demolished it. They demolished it. That's what I'm saying. Like you're not gonna go in and investigate him because he's the DA. So okay, go back to your dear God. Guys, this case.
SPEAKER_00Really hairy. I will say before we do anything. As usual, with any case and anything on the social medias, anything that has a very controversial, clickable title is what's going to catch anybody's eye. Anybody's eye and the most attention. And there are algorithms that are anti-man. There are algorithms that are anti-woman. There are algorithms that are solely supporting postpartum anything. There are ones that are anti-this. So whatever stance you take, you're going to go down one of those avenues and it's going to give you, just flood you with that information.
SPEAKER_01And that's why I was trying to look at, you know, like I said, both sides. And I will say, like, postpartum is a thing. And I I truly believe that, you know, could that have been a possibility? Yes. It could be.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, but these are like another possibility out there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, because these are these are modern day witch trials. Correct. I mean, it was literally what it is. It was never it's never about the man because men aren't crazy like women are. And you know, it's just the way it is. However, am I saying that Patrick is guilty? I'm not saying that either. I don't it wasn't there. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01And until that trial comes out. Well, I think that's the worst part about being on our end of it. And maybe, you know, we'll never really know. You know, and again, it's like it's like we've said before. There's his side, there's her side, and then there's somewhere and there's the truth. Yep.
SPEAKER_00And I even feel that way about the college campus murders. I do too. I don't think he did it. I also don't think Tyler Robinson did it. Um I think I was gonna say with the college one, if he did, he had somebody else do it with him.
SPEAKER_01And I also think that they never looked into the roommates. I know the same situation. Yes. They believed one person, one after one person based off of an image that they saw, and they ran with it. Yes. And I'm sorry, but if you are a police officer and you're listening to this, you're a detective, you're listening to this, like that's really, really shitty detective work, and you need a new job because you clearly don't give a shit about anything else except for getting the case done and over with. That or it's a massive cover-up to something else.
SPEAKER_00To something more sinister. And again, we also will never know that. No, whatever we see on the news is either not true, a form of the truth, propaganda. It's just uh, but real quick before we do a little sideline, and we should talk about this at some point, but I guess I can't think of the guy's name, so don't come for me. Um, Candace Owens did a debate with somebody recently. Um anyway, I just thought it was hilarious because he in his debate won, and look, it was a shit show of a of a debate. It really wasn't great. She did come with her knowledge, but like again, it just seemed like theater. But he introduced never before seen text messages between him and Charlie, and this is like almost a year later, and you're producing that. Well, he says, This is this message came from Charlie the day before he died about how the left is gonna kill him and all this stuff. And what's so funny is that Erica Kirk said, like shortly after Charlie's death, I have his phone. There are no messages out to anyone saying that anyone is coming for him. So she already put that out there. So I'm thinking he was either planted with really bad info because he had nothing, or they're just trying to do a massive cover-up. Anyway, all that to say, I don't think Tyler Robinson did it, and you can come for me on that, but I have a feeling this audience probably agrees with me. Okay, um, here we are. Well, this one did number one, did Patrick kill the kids? Okay, so and this is the other thing too, when you're running anything by ChatGPT, it's pulling just the strict data. Right. So, like, this is flawed because it's it's the trial is solely about whether or not she was in a criminal mindset or not.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00So, you know, so this says this is obviously the biggest TikTok theory. And yes, Lindsay's lawyer did agree that police may have focused on Lindsay too quickly and didn't investigate everything as thoroughly as they should have, which to me is grounds for a mistrial. Um, Chad GPT is talking, but this is not the same thing as proving Patrick did it. Duh. I mean duh. Okay. We have video Patrick at CVS and then at the restaurant while he was gone. And Lindsay's own defense, and this is this is the tricky thing. Lindsay's own defense agrees that she killed the kids. So that's the only thing I don't like about this trial is like as the defense.
SPEAKER_01I don't think she has a choice because she was like, okay, I guess I did it. But can't she change her stance? She could. Just like I mean She could, but I think I think when you're that messed up, I know, but if her counseling Okay, so let me ask you this.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm gonna ask you this regardless. We're getting really far in this list.
SPEAKER_01All your children are dead. Do you want to live? Do you feel like you deserve to live if there's a slight possibility that you were the cause of it? Because let me just let me also put this out there. If she does get out and she's not kept in a safe place where she's not able to harm herself, would you want to continue to live? Because I personally don't know that I would. I especially going through what she went through, hearing all of that.
SPEAKER_00I guess that's it. That's a state of mind I can't I can't fathom. Because in my mind, if I know deep down I didn't kill my kids, the will to live would be to find out the truth. But that's me, sound state of mind. I'm not on any meds. I'm not so.
SPEAKER_01But if you've been told that you've done this for so long and saying the evidence points to you, and you don't remember that time frame.
SPEAKER_00There'd be an insane, yeah. I mean, there'd be an insane amount of guilt. But I still think the follow-through of killing yourself is a whole because lots of people walk around all the time with guilt, shame, I committed something, did something, and they're not killing themselves. Correct. So look at um Casey Anthony, case in point. I mean, she's kind of made a career out of like what she may or may not have done. Allegedly, I mean she did she got off. 100% got off, and then went into hiding for 10 years. I mean anyway, alright, let's let's get so obviously Chat GBT is gonna say the real question what actual evidence from the trial points to Patrick being the killer versus people find that he's just suspicious. So this is gonna be flawed no matter what because a case in point we brought to earlier the trial might be about the wrong thing. This isn't but I'll continue. What about Patrick's DNA on the exercise band? So his on on the 911 call, or I don't even know if it was on the 911 call, but he was the one who removed the bands from the children's necks, okay? So that immediately has everyone being like, her DNA wasn't on it, only his was on it. So that did get a little wonky online, um, because the it comes down to this the bands, they're the family's exercise bands, number one. His DNA being on them doesn't tell us when he touched them, which is true or why he touched it. The DNA expert also explained that the testing gets complicated because everyone involved is closely related. So they all share DNA mixtures that are going to overlap. So in some of the testing, they actually removed Lindsay and the children's DNA because it was non-conclusive. So only his showed up. And his only showed up on one of them. It was the they keep saying the middle yellow one or the middle of the yellow one. I don't know. So that's difficult because that's not cut and dry. Um, so really the question is does his DNA being on something in his own home prove that he killed somebody? And it's like, oh, it's annoying because it's like that's it's there, but it's not enough.
SPEAKER_01But didn't they say the exercise bands were purchased like the day before? I don't know, two days before. Yeah. So they were, they had just been purchased not that long ago. That's interesting. I did not hear that. Yeah, so that was something that I think they had brought up because they were trying to say that she was premeditating and that she's the one that ordered them through the Amazon order.
SPEAKER_00And that doesn't help her case if she ordered But if they have a shared Amazon account.
SPEAKER_01Or they order from the same one, but they're saying that she ordered the exercise bands, and it was only like a day or two before, so why is his DNA I mean, yes, he could have opened it. That's so hard to see. Again, you're right, you're right.
SPEAKER_00It's and again, not helpful. No. Not helpful. Um, this was a huge one. This was Lindsay, I guess, had an Apple watch and her heart rate was only at 57. Um, her last heart rate reading was at 57 around 5.23 p.m. Uh that does not mean her heart rate was 57 while she was strangling the kids or killing the kids, or depending on how you want to but anytime mine elevates, I wear a watch all the time. Well, it says the watch simply stopped recording heart rate data after that. Her phone actually showed staircase movement later. So her watch wasn't doing anything, but her phone was. I mean, do you just chalk that to like analogy when she I don't know. I don't know if it was. Because they also said if the watch was off, it's not gonna record anything. If it died, it's not gonna record anything. But then her phone right? Like Okay. How do you Again, inconclusive. Like, you can read between the lines, but when they look at the actual data repr you know, at their fingertips, it's like, well, there's nothing to work with here. Um, oh, okay, here you go. What about the email Patrick sent at 524? TikTok says this proves Patrick was still inside the house because the email supposedly came from his computer. But Patrick testified that he had sent the email from his phone. And shortly afterward, he physically he was physically seen on the surveillance at CVS. So I think the email is worth asking about, but it doesn't prove he was sitting at home on his computer. Here's the thing.
SPEAKER_01If you watch, it'll show you where it's sent, whether it was sent from a phone. So like anytime I send an email through my phone, yeah, it shows sent from phone. Go to your email. If you've sent an email out through your phone, not through a computer, it will show you where it was sent from. Just an FYI. How do you do that? Just open any of them. I am. That you sent. I am. It's at the bottom. Let me see.
SPEAKER_00Rachel's going through my emails to check. It might depend on the phone too. I think I do think they are Apple people. Patrick and the Clancy household. I think you have to have that receipt the receipt under your name that says sent from iPhone, which I always delete because I don't like people knowing that I sent it from iPhone. So Alright, well here, I'll show you. Okay. I do I do know that is a that is a setting on Apple sent from iPhone. But you can go in and edit that because that comes up as your signature.
SPEAKER_01See a link right here?
SPEAKER_00Oh, sent from my iPhone. Hmm. So I mean it's like the first thing I do when I get a phone. Because it's just it's your signature. You can just get rid of it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. But he may not have he may not have. That's true. That's true. But anyways, it Well, there's certain things that can do that, and you can look that up. You can see where it was sent from. That's not a hard thing to do.
SPEAKER_00But he's not the one on a trial. Correct. Which makes you think that they just aren't doing their d it's almost like I don't know. It's gonna be a terrible analogy. But it's like someone has made you a cake, okay, and they gave it to you. Mm-hmm. You're gonna immediately assume that I made that cake. And I'm gonna take all the compliments because I'm the one that physically gave it to you. And I'm gonna say, here you go. I'm never gonna say I did it, but you're gonna assume that I made this cake. It depends on what it's in. But you're not gonna think that because why would you? I'm handing you this cake. I'm like, please enjoy it. It's your birthday, and you're like, oh wow, they made me this cake. That's so nice. And you're not gonna be like, Well, did she make this cake? Well, that's weird. It was in like a professional packaging. That's like what needed to happen. These questions. I'd be like, Oh, where'd you get a cake from? Exactly. Because you know I don't bake. Jeez. But but that's the thing. It's because I I just gave it to you. Well, I mean, that's that gave you no reason to question. And that's the lack of that told you be a terrible analogy. That is the lack of the recipient of all this information. He says, Oh my god, she killed the kids. I was away. I was at CVS. Look, you can see me here. Here's my alibi. It had to have happened at this time. Like, there's no, and to my knowledge, I don't know if anyone talked to them that day. I don't know if Lindsay talked to anybody that day.
SPEAKER_01She was in a coma. She was her body temperature.
SPEAKER_00I mean, sorry, prior to the incident. Yeah. Like, because they're saying she took her child to the doctor.
SPEAKER_01There's just so complicated.
SPEAKER_00Okay, going on. Oh, okay. Lindsay's body temperature was only at 82 degrees. This is one of the strangest facts of the case. But online are trying to calculate how long she had been outside based on the normal person getting cold. But she was not a normal person in this situation. And I do kind of agree with this. She had a catastrophic spinal injury, major blood loss, wet clothing while laying on a frozen ground. So the temperature is definitely interesting. Um the spinal injury itself affected her body's ability to regulate temperature, which I I do agree with that. Um what we don't have is a doctor saying an 82-degree temperature proof she was outside for three hours. So that's interesting. Like, why couldn't they just get any ER doctor to confirm, yeah, this is typical for what we see? Anyway. Did she fake the suicide attempt? Uh, Chad has a hard time calling it fake based on the medical evidence. You can question what she intended or actually how she went out the window, but she broke her spine, became paralyzed, had serious blood loss, severe hypothermia, and later went into cardiac arrest. Yeah, I know that's an extremely serious injury. Thank you, Chad, for telling me that. So I think saying she faked it goes, okay. Well, so Chad's not even considering what we mean when we say did she fake her a suicide attempt? It's literally just taking it to what happened when she went out the window. Right. So that's shame on Chat. That got that wrong. Um, did all the psychiatric medication cause this? Her medication history absolutely matters. Yeah, I know. Uh she was on different medications, medications were being changed, and she had bad reactions to some of them. But I keep oh, chat keeps seeing people say, I love this. Uh she was on 13 drugs when this happened. Being prescribed 13 medications over a period of time is not the same thing as having 13 medications actively affecting you at once. Well, I don't know how you would know that. I don't know how you would know what she was on. Did anyone do can you do toxicology when you're living? Yes. It's interesting that you would think that would come up. Um, did she make up the voice afterward? This is actually a real argument in the trial. So the prosecution says she had never reported hearing voices before and questioned whether this voice suddenly appearing during the murders made sense. The defense expert believed the voice was real and was part of a psychotic episode. She also explained about the male voice while she was still hospitalized after the killings. This wasn't something she suddenly came up with years later. So, unlike some of these TikTok theories, this is genuine some genuinely something the jury has to decide whether they believe. So that one's tough. And honestly, that's gonna this whole trial is gonna come down to the experts and who is more convincing. Because both agre both sides, if I'm not mistaken, agree that mental illness is at play here. They no one is disputing that at all. They're disputing or trying to figure out it's the same question. Was it criminally intent? Like, is there criminal intent? And does she really know that what she was doing was wrong? So the prosecution is saying yes, even in a psychotic episode, you still know right from wrong, whereas the defense is saying no, you don't.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so this is the one thing too that I find very interesting because every single person that went up there and was questioned about who she was as a person and how she was as a m as a mother, no one ever, ever said that she was a bad mom.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01No one ever said that they didn't trust her, that they didn't love her, that she was not carrying that any of those things. Everyone said they wish they could have helped her more. And every single person, including the ex-mother-in-law, was there every single day of that trial supporting her. So it is a good thing. Do I think that if it was her, she had a clear psychotic episode? Yes. Because I have bad days, you have bad days, like we all have bad days, and that's normal. But to have every single person and not have one person, including her husband, because he didn't go against her, to have every single person say that she is a good person and a good mom and uh, you know, everything else, how could you think anything except for the fact that she had a psychotic break?
SPEAKER_00Well, you're right, because our minds, there has to be a villain in the story. There has to be. Because a a mother who loves her children dearly, being capable of doing something like this, is out of the possi their own possibility to just it's just not possible. Yeah. So I do think that's why Patrick is coming into play because we need someone to be outraged at. They're not allowed to bring up religion, because I think they brought up her faith in one of the moments of the trial, and that's when they were gonna throw the whole thing out. And then the judge was like, Nope, jurors, you heard nothing of this, erase this from which it's you can't. Um and it is it's just it's hard the whole thing is heartbreaking. Okay. Number 10. Um, but she seemed totally normal earlier that day, and that helps the prosecution. She went to an appointment, talked normally, ordered dinner, took care of things around the house. But the defense says something someone experiencing mental illness or psychosis did not does not have to look psychotic every second of the day. So the question is so the question isn't could she order takeout? It's what was happening in her mind during the actual killings. So And none that's another thing, none of the doctors thought she was psychotic. Um And I think again, I think that's one of the prosecution's stronger points, but uh she saw a lot of a lot of medical professionals, um, but they weren't documenting hallucinations or psychosis. Um, but the defense argues that she didn't that doesn't mean she couldn't have psychotic episodes later. Um she also may not have been telling the doctors everything she was experiencing. Um I mean, this is so loaded. Like, it's loaded upon loaded upon loaded, depending on Yeah, it's depending on how you look at it, how you want to look at it.
SPEAKER_01And here's the thing, I do think that she was probably I mean, I've gone to different people. You've gone to different doctors before, and you get tired of saying the same thing over and over again. Yeah, and you want a different perspective, you want a different perspective, and you know, you want them to listen to you, and if they're not listening to you, you finally get to the point where you're like, why am I even talking? Yeah. And I can say for a fact that I have experienced that in my life, and I can only imagine that she had gone to so many people and tried to get help and explained it so many times. She finally got to the point, like, why does it matter? What is the point?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And, you know, she would call and say, I need help, I need help, I need help, and she wasn't getting it, so she probably shut down to a certain extent, which is what you do when you are severely depressed.
SPEAKER_00I do think it's worth noting that a couple things. Not saying anything, just putting it out there. Um, I do find it interesting that a man grieving the loss of his three children, and pretty I mean, and his wife, I mean, come on, um, finds love right away. I do find that a little strange, and I also find it strange that she, meaning the new wife, uh, doesn't see that as a major red flag. Um, that's just that's weird. Um, even people who have normal divorces where it's just child custody and and whatever, dating it takes a minute. Unless they were already cheating. Unless they were already cheating, but even again, still a red flag to the new spouse. Um, so I'll just I would not even I'm not even gonna elaborate on that. I just find that really strange. Um, the other piece I do find pretty interesting is Patrick and the family are saying they were aware that she was worried about hurting the kids. And he knew that and let her be alone with them. If my spouse was legit worried about that, I would have someone here like all the time, all the time, and not have them alone ever with the kids ever. I mean, ever. It's and that's out of love and protection. That's how it's done. And you take the kids with you then to go to CVS and to go get dinner and and let mom have a minute at home. Like, maybe we just get too comfortable with oh, I'm only gonna be gone 15 minutes. I mean, how many times do you hear things like that? And only I was only gone 15 minutes, and look what happened, you know. Like, I I get that everyone thinks it's not gonna happen to them, but to for someone to admit I'm scared of hurting our children, you don't just like nah, you're fine.
SPEAKER_01I regardless, like you watch sh she apparently did this to the older kids first and the baby last, like watching your as war as much as she wanted to protect them, but then was also afraid how could you look at your kids and that fear in them and continue doing that? Well And also the other theory too that I've seen is which is true, the major what do the majority of women do?
SPEAKER_00Poison their kids? Is that what it doesn't mean? Oh, drown their kids, yeah.
SPEAKER_01How many of them actually strangle? Like, I mean, in all in all honesty and all truthfulness, typically strangulation is done by what I guess men. I because it's harder to do that than it would be to drown them in a bathtub. I mean, I don't know. I mean and and and and here's the thing, like if you truly wanted to off yourself with them, like why not get in a car and drive away with them into the water? Which is what some other women have done or mothers have done that are truly like uh yeah, not not well. Yeah. Um, so I I mean I hope that they can come back and we will have an answer today. Otherwise we have to wait until next week. Next week.
SPEAKER_00Um, but Oh, that's gonna be another thing too. If they come out with a with a verdict today, people are gonna go crazy because that just means they just wanted to round the week out and start fresh next week.
SPEAKER_01Like there's gonna be it's never gonna be the other thing I think about though is like if you're that person, like imagine being a juror, like you're not getting paid, or you're getting paid five dollars a day. Yeah, like you're off work this en whole entire time. Some offices will pay you to be off, and others will like no. No, and so like you probably get to a point too, like, it's gotta be draining for the juror to hear this. It's gotta be draining for you as that person sitting there listening to this horrible tragic event, regardless of who did it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then go home. And then go home and not talk about it.
SPEAKER_01You're not allowed to talk about it, you're not allowed to watch anything, you're not allowed to do anything. Like, if it were me, I would be like, Can we hurry up and get this over with? Because I need to be able to go back to some kind of normalcy. Like, it's one thing for us to like research about it.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. We can turn it off whenever we want and we can talk about it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we can talk about it, we can turn it off, and we can go on about our lives. Yep. These people cannot do that, and this is a horrific crime. And I think most of the jurors are women. I wasn't sure of the I think it's like more women than there are men, which you know, I mean, a woman's heart and like how you feel, especially if they're moms, like God. And if you have kids that are that age, yeah, which I don't think I think that the some would have wanted, and then others are like, no, no, no. Like I I wonder. Because you both got both sides.
SPEAKER_00And they both got to pick. I mean, they get to pick who the drawers are. So clearly both sides had a calculated reason for it. Yeah. Um so that's it. All right. There's there's lots. Okay. Um, but just so you know, yeah, if they have the verdict today, they rushed it. If they have the verdict on Monday, someone talked to them over the weekend. So just it's yeah, it's never gonna be yeah uh fair. But uh more on this, uh, maybe next week. Yeah. And uh we gotta go. Yeah, we gotta go. We gotta go. So uh happy day. Thanks for listening to the Beauty Files, and we'll see you later. All right, case closed.