Navigating Leaders
The Navigating Leaders Podcast is for leaders, entrepreneurs, and changemakers ready to grow with purpose. It’s hosted by Gabriel Griess, a retired US Air Force officer, CEO of Excel Medical Staffing and MedForceX, and founder of Navigating Leaders. Each episode explores what it takes to break through limiting beliefs, clarify your vision, and start really living. Grounded in faith and guided by hard-earned, real-world wisdom, Gabriel helps you identify what’s holding you back and take intentional steps toward lasting impact. Through authentic conversations and practical insights, you’ll gain the tools to lead from the inside out. It’s time to awaken your vision and live boldly.
Navigating Leaders
Episode 23: The Real Reason People Trust You (or Don’t)
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Why do some leaders earn trust, influence, and opportunity while others struggle to make a lasting impact?
In this episode of The Navigating Leaders Podcast, Gabriel Griess sits down with Gary Watson for a conversation about one of the most overlooked factors in leadership and success.
If you've ever wondered why certain relationships open doors, why some people naturally attract trust, or why leadership can feel harder than it should, this episode will challenge the way you think about influence, character, and personal growth.
Together, Gabriel and Gary explore the hidden factors that shape credibility, decision-making, and long-term success. Whether you're leading a business, a team, a family, or simply trying to become the person you're called to be, this conversation offers powerful insights that can transform the way you lead and live.
If you're interested in leadership, emotional intelligence, personal development, influence, faith, mindset, and building a legacy that lasts, this episode is for you.
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ABOUT GABRIEL
Gabriel Griess is a retired US Air Force officer, the CEO of Excel Medical Staffing and MedForceX, and the founder of Navigating Leaders. A graduate of the elite Air Force Weapons School, he has spent decades leading teams in high-pressure environments and equipping others to reach their full potential. As a combat veteran and an entrepreneur, Gabriel helps individuals cultivate self-awareness, resilience, and the ability to create lasting impact.
An internationally sought-after keynote speaker, he addresses audiences on personal transformation, strategic leadership, and veteran empowerment. The Results Tree is the framework he lives by, and when applied, it will unearth your destiny.
Reputation is the currency of the realm. Reputation is the currency of the realm. You'll learn more about that today. My name is Gabriel Greet, your host of the Navy and Leaders podcast, Awaken Your Vision and Live Boldly. Thank you for coming here today. I'm so excited to introduce you to a good friend of mine, a personal friend, professional friend. We work in the same space. Mr. Gary Watson, the vice president of strategic accounts at Trio Workforce Solutions. But more important than that, you are an amazing man of God, a musician. Everybody I've ever spoken to only speaks highly of you. And my relationship with you reflects that. I mean, you just value people and you are brilliant and you are kind and you share graciously. And so I'm just honored to have you here with us today. Thank you for coming.
SPEAKER_00Well, I'm honored to be here. I mean, we've been friends for so long. It just made sense. And I love, you know, having seen some of the other episodes. I love what you're doing. I love what you're trying to do with this podcast. And I'm excited to be here.
SPEAKER_02Awesome. Well, thanks for being here, Gary. It's good. Well, uh, we briefly spoke about leadership, right? In the in the in the title, Navigating Leaders. Right. And we've spoken about leadership before. Really, it's an inside job, who you are, how you show up, what you do. And in and you had an interesting take on leadership, in that in some cases, it doesn't require anybody following you or an official team. Tell me more about that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, I just kind of learned through my years uh working in multiple industries that you know, sometimes you have a team, sometimes you don't, but that doesn't mean that you don't have an opportunity for influence uh the people around you, right? Every organization hires you because they believe that you're going to bring some value to the organization in some way, shape, or form, whether it's as an individual contributor or whether in a leadership role. But, you know, the path to leadership, if you're not a leader, is influence. The path to success in leadership, if you are a leader, is influence. Uh, you know, we were talking earlier, you know, you can't make people do anything. You know, they they have to be inspired, they have to be um motivated and influenced. Um, and the only way to do that is to make it make sense to them, right? If if if they have a goal in front of them and they can't connect that goal to, you know, what matters in their life, you know, they got they leave the job and they go home and they got their wife and kids or spouse and you know, they got bills to pay and things that that are priorities to them. And if, you know, if what you're trying to get them to do at work doesn't resonate with what they're trying to accomplish, they won't do a good job for you, you know, and uh, you know, so it's just really critically important to connect those dots, you know, whether it's through storytelling or, you know, you know, telling, sharing your and you know, your uh experiences and how maybe uh things that you're asking them to do, how when you had to do those things in the past, how you know you struggled or you know, how you found value in doing those things. Um, but ultimately just connecting the dots so that people feel valued, feel like their work matters when they do that. Typically they they do their best work.
SPEAKER_02So connecting to the why. Yeah, right. The why we're doing things. Yep. And yeah, that's that's super important. You know, you you spoke about inspiration and influence, and and this has been a lesson I've been afforded the opportunity to learn uh uh in my transition, right? So uh from the military into the civilian world. Uh and uh, you know, we had a phrase in the military called OTE, organize, train, and equip, right? So leaders, organizations, managers, our jobs to organize the organization to train the people and equip them. And I actually just had a guest on um, you know, a few weeks ago, and uh absolutely amazing gentleman who's covered so many things, but he he also was military, but is a city council member and a business owner and a musician like you, and we'll get to your music in a minute, but he added an I to OTE, and that I is inspiration. And and I think in in especially in the commercial world or in the business world, and and generationally speaking, that inspiration, that why, that um in some ways, tell me what's in it for me is what's that the whiffle? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how do you how have you developed uh your ability to to inspire folks uh and to get them behind the mission? How have you developed those skills?
SPEAKER_00I mean, honestly, you know, it's something I'm continuing to learn, right? Um, but in my experience, you know, you you the starting point is finding out what makes them tick, right? If if you're whether it's a cross-departmental or somebody on your team, anybody that you're um wanting to influence or serve, but let's use a better term, you're serving them. Um you gotta know what matters to them, right? Even if you're serving a customer, like you gotta know what matters to them. You can't solve their problems if you don't know what their problems are, right? So you have to lean in. And sometimes that's leaning into something uncomfortable, right? Trying to figure out like what's not working, what's you know, what bothers you, what keeps you up at night, what you know, that sort of thing. But once you know those things and you know, and and those people know that you care about those things, then they're gonna be more open to listening to you share any guidance and anything about EA, how to, you know, maybe navigate those things differently. But then also, you know, when you tell them that those things, you know, that the the goals and the things that you're trying to accomplish um, you know, from a business perspective will impact those things in a certain way. Here's how, you know, they're a lot more open to hearing that story because you they know you care about those things that are really important to them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. So I like to listen, uh to engage, to serve, to seek to understand more than sell.
SPEAKER_00Correct. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You got to put your put others before yourself, period. I mean, that's in my experience, that's uh that's the key to life, really.
SPEAKER_02So something that has always inspired me about you, and right now it's it's written all over you for those that are for those of you that are just listening, right? You've got this presence, this peace, this this assurance of who you are as an individual, as a man, as a person, right? Like I have to imagine that that that way of being gives you space to hear, space for people to share. Um you know, I have a shortcoming of oh yeah, I I know that problem. Let me solve that for you, right? Like you're like, I just said hello, like you know, I jumped to conclusions, and that's something I continue to work on, right? It's to not be that um, you know, or my spouse, right? I'm just sharing. I don't need you to solve this, right? Yeah, but how do you how have you always been that calm and measured and self-aware and present? Or is that something you developed? And if you've developed, how have you continued to grow that skill? Because it's a gift.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, definitely something I developed. I mean, I think there's I I grew up in somewhat of a peaceful household. I mean, there's you could argue both sides of that, but uh, you know, I growing up, I had a kind of a an angry streak in me, you know, where you know, if if something didn't go the way I it needed to go, it wasn't and it wasn't anything like me being like a mean person, but if, you know, like I was in school, I wanted to do well in in class. If if I didn't do well on something, I would get angry. And um, sometimes I would want to hit something. I remember, you know, full transparency. I remember in 12th grade, you know, I was a football player, track runner, all these things. So I was athletic, bigger than I am now. Um, and I woke up late uh and missed a math test that I had studied all night for. Now, grown me knows that I'm not gonna go to school and them tell me I can't take the math test that I overslept for. But 17-year-old me punched a hole in a closet door, you know. So, you know, that, you know, just knowing that I have physically could do that, um, as I got older and older and you know, met my wife, and you know, you know, marriage is not easy. And there was, you know, times when we would get in arguments. And one time I slapped a hole in the drywall in my apartment. And when I did that, I mean, I mean, she wasn't even there. I was just mad at something we had talked about before I went home. We were at a party and she sent me home for something and I couldn't find it. And I got mad and I slapped a hole. And then, of course, in my mind, I'm like, I'm gonna have to explain that to my wife when she gets home. But but in that moment, I felt I I thought about I could like what if I hit my wife or my kids, you know, or you know, with whatever that is, whatever that anger, whatever that wells up when certain things happen. And and from that time, which was probably about 20 years ago, I was like, I gotta find a way to channel my anger. And so, you know, I've probably always had a peaceful demeanor about myself, but there were things that could trigger me. And um, and I think through through the work of the Holy Spirit, I've I've found a way to kind of almost get to the point where there's nothing, nothing in life that is so critical or so important in the moment that God can't handle it. So I don't care if I missed something, I didn't pay a bill, the lights get turned on, whatever the scenario is, and in my mind and and and my spirit now I know that you know God works all things. And if this happened, he allowed it. You know, he maybe, you know, Satan only gets ability to do things when God allows. I mean, look at the Job's story. So things like that just remind me that whatever the situation is, there's a solution for it. There's a backdoor somewhere, there's a there's a reconciliation here. So there's no need to get worked up, no need to get all flustered over it, just acknowledge it, come to terms with the fact that it happened, can't change the past, now what? You know, and that's kind of what my mindset has been.
SPEAKER_02So that all sounds well and good, and I it's written all over you that that's who you be, that's who who Gary is. And and I experience you that way too. But when that moment hits, when that thing happens, when that you know thing goes boom and you you are in reaction mode, what happens on the inside?
SPEAKER_00I mean, the and on the inside, I just for first thing I I do in every situation, uh, you know, is I'm just like okay, this happened. You know, this whatever happened doesn't define me. It's just it's not my legacy, it's not any it's you know, people always talk about career defining moments and things like that. And there's there's no such thing in my mind, you know. Like my what what defines me is who I belong to, right? I'm a child of God. That's that's my career defining moment. Um everything else is secondary to that. So when something happens, it seems like, oh my gosh, you just lost a customer. It's you know you gotta tell your president about it and he's not gonna be happy, like whatever the scenario. You know, yeah, that happened. It happens. I'm not the first person to lose a customer. Um, you know, now, now what? What can I do to show this customer, you know, and make make that maybe make that customer feel like you know, they might be regretting this decision because they're losing, you know, we're the ability to work with a great human that cares about their needs, maybe more than most humans do or something. You know, whatever the difference or differentiator is with my personality, my God-given gifts, like then I just lean into those things because uh, I mean, at the end of the day, that's all you can. All you can do God put God put you on this earth with some skills and talents that no one else has. You're a one of one in a lane of one. Um there's really no and there's zero competition in that lane. You you walk in that lane, there aren't even any other say that again. There's zero competition in your lane, the lane that God created for you.
SPEAKER_02One of one.
SPEAKER_00One of one.
SPEAKER_02When you're comparing yourself to you, when you're getting up tomorrow to be the best version of yourself, when you're showing up and investing and giving it your all. Yeah, that's all you can be asked to do.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there's nobody else in that lane.
SPEAKER_02So there's two words that come up for me as I sit here and and and watch you and listen to you, right? And it's it's wisdom, right? I've got a real sense of wisdom from you and a sense of like like knowing and strength, right? A quiet strength, which is appreciate that, which is which is powerful, right? And and for for young men or young women, right, or or folks that have maybe are older in age, but youthful in their behaviors, right? This is what wisdom looks like right here. I'm looking at it.
SPEAKER_00So uh this guy too.
SPEAKER_02No, well, thanks, appreciate it. I I I think I might have had a few more bumps and bruises along the way, but uh you know, and the other thing that came up for me as you were sharing was the neutrality you have towards events. I sensed a neutrality, something bad happens, and you don't you didn't you you didn't describe a situation where you took that on as a reflection of you or that's who you were and identity in that, right? Right. And so that neutrality on, you know, the event is what it is. And uh, you know, and this might be interesting too. I've I'm at a couple of events in my own personal life where I'm like, I did everything right as best I can, my knowledge, right? But like in the in the outcome or the situation we're in, I'm like, this is an absolute disaster, right? To use a to use a military acronym FUBAR, I won't tell you what it means. You can Google it. Uh it's a bad word. Uh, but you know, it's just it's just an absolute mess. And I'm like, from where I am and the actions I took, this should not be where we're at. Right. So I've had I've had to find myself in a few situations be like, okay, to your point, God uses all things for good. Right. And and and so that event that I'm part of, I'm in the I'm holding the space right now that it's that I'm learning to be neutral to it because he needs to use that event for somebody else, right? Or I haven't yet learned my lesson or seen my learning through it. But uh we've Christy and I have had a you know kind of walk through it and and be gentle in that space.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, 100%. I mean, there's so much to learn through failure, and you know, even that's you know, we're talking about leadership. I mean, uh one good trait of a leader is allowing the people that you're either responsible for or have influence over to fail, right? The the the uh flexibility and space to be able to fail, um, and know that that it's a safe space to fail. And to learn and to learn because yeah, you learn from failure. I mean, all this wisdom or whatever you you think you see, it comes from a lot of failure. Let's let's be real, people.
SPEAKER_02I think Churchill says uh something about um moving from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00Like yeah, you you get up every morning after the fail and you you keep going with the enthusiasm and excitement, knowing that you know you don't know what's around the corner. But you know, there's a lot of opportunity in life around the corner. You know, this fail doesn't define you. Um, you know, you got to keep trucking, you gotta keep on going.
SPEAKER_02So something that that uh I'm sure there's a story in here. I don't know what it is yet, but I want to ask this question, and it's around courage. Right? There are, you know, I've had moments where, you know, like I've just had to step into the fire, right? I've had to own it, I've had to expose myself as me not doing enough or my team or whatever, but just own a situation that was terrifying to step into. Do you have a moment like that? And what were some of the lessons you learned from from stepping into it versus running or hiding or cowering or what have you?
SPEAKER_00I mean, if to to be honest, the the most terrifying challenge I've ever faced was divorce. You know, I mean, me and my my wife, Shannon, my current last and only wife, um, we went through a divorce. Um, you know, and you know, for all the different, you know, different reasons, you know, we went through that. But as we were going through that, you know, everybody was telling me, um, you know, my wife got a lawyer and, you know, all the things. And everybody was like, you should get a lawyer and fight, you know, and I'm like, fight for what? I love this woman. Like, this is not, there's this isn't a this isn't a war. This isn't a battle.
SPEAKER_02There's no win.
SPEAKER_00This is yeah, this is not a this is not something to fight, you know. And um, so I didn't, you know, and and I felt like during that time, you know, the the part that was hard was to let go and and and let that play out because, you know, I love her to death, you know, she's you know, had a very difficult upbringing and just a lot of different things that I can't even really relate to because I didn't have that type of an upbringing. Um, but she she had to deal with those things, right? And and and God kept telling me, Holy Spirit kept telling me, let her go. Let her go because you know, let me have her. Let me have her. I'll I will give her back to you. And, you know, everybody says that, or you know, um but I I I believed him. I was like, okay, and I let her go. I didn't fight, I didn't do anything. It was the hardest thing to watch, you know, the impact on my kids. Um, just watching them go through all of all of it um was tough. But then I mean, probably like during the time we were, you know, getting divorced at the court, like I mean, we were still great friends, and all the lawyers said that they were like casting lots on who, you know, how long we would be divorced because they didn't think it was gonna be long. They're like, oh, they're definitely getting back together. And then, I mean, months later, we we started talking again, and you know, a year later we got remarried, and the same we got remarried on the same day that we got divorced a year earlier, it was a divorce date. The year next the year later, it was uh Good Friday. It just happened to land that same date and happened to land on Good Friday. So we got married on Good Friday, and and uh but what I learned from that is a trust God in all things. Um and you know, and and and don't again, your situations, situations that happen to you don't define you. Like you don't know what you're you know, you could have your whole future planned out, like I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna be rich, I'm gonna do all these things, I'm gonna be successful. And then something happens to you that's outside of your control. That doesn't mean you're a bad person or that you're a failure or that you didn't do all the things that you uh set out to do. It's just that in this there there's wild cards and things that happen that you can't control. And the more you realize that most of what's happening in your life you can't control, the more the more you will let go and stop trying to hoard and control and you know, and and protect everything, you know. Some you just gotta let it go and do your best in every moment, be the best you continue to invest in yourself, like you were saying on a previous podcast, you know, sabbaticals, you know, fasting, do yeah, do things that Take care of your temple to so that you can be the best you that God created you to be. I don't know if I answered your question. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02We're just having a good chat here. We're just having a good chat. Can I ask a uh a personal question? Absolutely. Okay. So, did your children share with you anything about that experience or what they witnessed, or maybe what they learned by watching you and your wife go through this?
SPEAKER_00Um, that's a good question. I mean, uh not in so many words, but you know, we we've had conversations about just what life was like during that time and just the uncertainty. And, you know, in even me, you know, they lived with their mom, and uh, you know, I was the one that left, um, you know, from as far as living arrangements. But, you know, later on I learned, you know, that there was so much more emotional stuff going on in the household with them, and and my and their mom was being a lot more transparent with them on her feelings and you know, and and all of that, and she cried a lot and and sort of that sort of thing. So it was more of them sharing that with me later, like mom was miserable the whole time, you know, and you know, she she regretted it and all the all that sort of stuff. And um, you know, and and just you know, the thought of you know, having a new dad or a new like whatever, you know, you know, all that, you know, all of that that would have occurred if I had gotten remarried and Shannon would have got remarried, like all of that. Just the I don't even I I'm so thankful that I don't even have to go down that road, but just even thinking about like what would that have been? How would that have how would we work through that and knowing that our ex would always be in the picture because of our kids and just I just I just know that I mean not no knock on anybody that's gotten divorced that you know remained divorced, but I know that's not what God's plan was for our family. So um so thankful that we didn't have to do that.
SPEAKER_02Well, and what an act of surrender, yeah. Right, like you know, to love something and let it go. It reminds me of a I think it's Chinese, like a parable that says anybody can keep a bird in a cage. But when you open the door to the cage and the bird flies free and then comes home to rest, then you know you've got the bird. Yeah, yeah. You know, and that's exactly what you did. Um I I I want to talk to you about relationships. Because like I opened the conversation saying reputation is a currency of the realm, your reputation in our industry, the the temporary medical staffing space, right, is pristine across multiple companies, you know, across the entire hierarchy of leadership, followership, doer, you know, manager, you know, front office, back office. It doesn't matter who you talk to, that you're you in your name and who you are in the industry and who you be as somebody is just phenomenal. And and that's a testament to how you live and the man you are and the story you just shared, you know, speaks into that. But you know, for some folks, relationships are challenging. For some folks, building, maintaining, cultivating, nourishing relationships is challenging. And so what, you know, what do you do? How have you done it? What you know, techniques, skills, process, like, you know, uh sometimes we have to make things mechanical before they become natural, right? You know, and so like my mom taught me to send thank you notes and I still send thank you not, right? Some of those things like around relationships, especially as we advance towards the world of AI. I'm telling my kids this all the time. Next Friday we're having a dinner with my my IT guy, because I want them to learn about AI because my son seems to think it's not it's not coming, or I don't know. He thinks it's a gonna it's gonna go away. And I'm like, it's not going away, buddy. Maybe it is, I don't know. But but maybe it's current utilization, but in the input it's gonna always be that in the you know, in the next 10, 20, 30 years, like relationship and the ability to to build meaningful relationships where people can mutually thrive, succeed, support, you know, is I think it's only gonna be amplified. And you're a master at that. So what can you share with us about relationships, building them, nourishing them? Just what what comes up?
SPEAKER_00I mean, uh for me, relationships are about the other person. I know a lot of people approach relationships as in like I need to have a relationship with Gabe because it's gonna help me. Like I have an agenda that is a reason for that relationship. Me, even if even if I know that that connection is going to benefit me, my my posture is always to um to figure out how I can be a blessing to that person, right? And so, you know, that takes you know, I feel like one of the the giftings that God gave me was the ability to encourage people and um and just help them feel valued and appreciated. And so m almost every initial communication I have with somebody that I'm trying to build a relationship, it's it's it's it starts with gratitude, a lot of gratitude in some way finding something to to thank them for, to be thankful for. Um thankfulness is contagious, you know. It's a it's just a great starting point. Um when people know that you um are operating in a spirit of appreciation, they tend to respond different to you. I mean, just think of all the time somebody, you know, flatters you or something, you're like, oh well, and then you you open up a conversation with them because you you feel you appreciate the fact that they saw something in you or they recognize something that you didn't even know people know knew about you or whatever. You notice that? I didn't know, you know, that thing. So that's what I just that's my focus always is just how do I how do I love on somebody? How do I, whether it's, you know, I need something from the billing department, you know, at my organization, you know, I'm finding ways to love on the billing folks. If I need something in compliance, I'm finding ways to love on the compliance folks. Um, and not just, you know, not transactional. Yeah, just not transactional. Yeah, just like like I need to reach out to, hey, happy Friday, you know, I love what you guys are doing over there. Hey, I got a question, you know, and and people remember that you thought about them and that you treated them differently. Like I I call everybody my friend. I don't care who it is. I'm like, hey, friend, I got it, I need something, you know, and it's I I think people r remember that. And so then when when you really need something from them, and you know, they just remember that posture, that countenance of like this person's not barking at me, this person's not demanding something from me, this person wants to collaborate and partner with me in some sort of way. Uh, and the same thing goes for clients or other any other industry contacts is I'm always just just trying to start with gratitude. That would that would be the if there was one thing that would tell my younger self and anybody else's always approach everything with gratitude.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's beautiful. That's beautiful. When I think the your way of being and your your meter and your tone and your pace gives people room to come into your presence, right, and feel that gratitude. Right. If if I if I throw a platitude at you and then run over it with I need that invoice, they're like, he said I looked nice. What where's the you know? And then they're yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a there has to be that human space, right? That that moment. And and I and I fail it this often. I go too fast. Yeah, right. Or I have the conversation in my head. I've already worked through the conversation, and yeah, you know, you're saying hello, and I'm already done with the conversation and moving to the next thing, and they're like, what just blew through here? Because I'm lost. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, and you got you patience, like because exhibiting patience and clarity are big, right? When you're when you need something from somebody, you know, if you're coming to them at the last minute, I need this yesterday, then they're they're thinking, well, what kind of leader are you that you're waiting to the last minute to ask for the things that you need? You probably knew about this two weeks ago, and you're telling me now five minutes before the board meeting. Like that's you know, I don't appreciate that, you know, type of thing, other than, you know, versus coming to somebody early and saying, Hey, you know, I need I need this. Um, if you can get it to me by the end of the week, that'd be great. And and just showing some sort of display of patience, like, hey, I thought this through. I'm being very intentional and thoughtful about this. I wouldn't ask you if I didn't really need your help, but you have some expertise that I don't have. I need your resource. Um, but but I respect your time enough to give you time. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_02We like to say, we like to say, you know, failure, failure on your part to plan doesn't constitute an emergency for me. Right. Right. Like, you know, so exactly. But we're gonna get to that when we can. So you're also a very accomplished musician.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Uh I've done a few things.
SPEAKER_02Done a few things. So if somebody wanted to see your music, is there someplace they can go to uh geech.
SPEAKER_00Um so my stage name is Syveon. Um, S-I-V-I-O-N. If you Google search that, a bunch of stuff will come up. Um, Christian hip-hop and some jazz. Um you can do the same search on Instagram, uh, actually Syveon, Diaz and David, S is and Sam, the number five, Civion DS5. That's my handle on Instagram. Um, and I think Facebook and X, Twitter. Um, but uh yeah, the there I got music videos, lots of albums out on Apple Music and all those other platforms. So um yeah, uh definitely can if you like Boombap, like classic style 90s hip hop with lyrics you can listen to in front of your kids. This guy.
SPEAKER_02All right, all right. Well, I'm glad we'll check that out. And I just I just want to say thank you, Gary, for being here. Um my pleasure, man. Always inspired by you, honored to call you a friend. Um, like the wisdom that you demonstrate, you know, to the audience, to the folks that are out there. Um none of us are getting out of this alive. I've said that a few times, right? Like we all know where we're gonna end up. Uh, but where you're at right now is exactly where you're supposed to be. And so be nice, be kind, be graceful, be patient with yourself, because from there you can do it for others, right? And you can begin to apply some of the some of the brilliance that Gary shared with us here today. So uh thank you for sharing your time with us. Thank you for listening. I know this meant something to you. If it did, like, if you made you think of somebody, please make sure to drop it in a text or share it on one of the platforms and subscribe. Uh, we are always honored to have you here, are honored to have you be part of the Navigating Leaders Cont uh community. My name is Gabriel Grease, your host, and until next time, God bless.