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Isn’t it Ironic with Amanda Berlin

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In this episode of CYBR.HAK.CAST, Michael and Phil are joined by Amanda Berlin, Senior Product Manager at Blumira and the CEO and Founder of Mental Health Hackers. Amanda shares her unconventional path into cybersecurity and the story behind founding her nonprofit. The group discusses burnout, anxiety, and the lasting effects of isolation within the cybersecurity community as well as how to make conferences more accessible to all. 

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Things Mentioned:

  • Mental Health Hackers – https://www.mentalhealthhackers.org/
  • Vulnerable U - https://www.vulnu.com/
  • Meet Mental Health Hackers at: 
    • DEFCON 2026 (Blue Team Village and Diana Initiative)
    • Blue Team Con 2026
    • HECC 2026
    • BSides Delaware

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SPEAKER_01

Hello, welcome to another episode of Cyber Hackcast. I'm joined by my co-host, my BFF, my brother from Another Mother, the fabulous Michael Farnum.

SPEAKER_02

Fabulous. Wow. Very special, Phil.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you so much. Yeah, it's Friday. I'm feeling good. Last day, not all of us work for ourselves. When we work for the man, then we're kind of enjoying it.

SPEAKER_02

You actually get to take a break.

SPEAKER_01

Is that what you're saying? Yes, my fifth or sixth podcast of the week this week.

SPEAKER_02

So you're not giddy that it's Friday. You're punch drunk, is what it sounds like.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_02

Good to see you, man. Always good to see you. I'm by the way, I want to say I'm wearing one of Matt Jay's shirts. So hopefully he'll wear our shirts on his podcast. So, Matt, if you're watching this, you got to wear one of our cybersecurity or cybersec community or cybersecCon shirts.

SPEAKER_01

That's interesting because it kind of plays into the theme, and we'll discuss that a little bit later because the origin of Matt J's blog and podcast. Okay.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Well, so it's a surprise to me, so I can't wait to hear that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of interesting, but yeah, it's yeah, it kind of plays into the theme. And we're also joined by Amanda Berlin, the senior product manager at Blue Mira, as well as the CEO of Mental Health Hackers. So Amanda and I have known each other from the cybersecurity community and have ran into each other conferences, and it's an honor to have you on the show.

SPEAKER_03

Of course. Thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's awesome what you're doing with the mental health village, mental health hackers. It's such an important topic these days. And for so many years, it's just been something people try to avoid. And based on what I see by the good works of you and your village, that's starting to change things. People are starting to talk about it. They have any kind of mental health issues going on that they're able to talk about it. And then going to the conferences, they're able to go to your village and talk to folks there and get a little help and make their life a little easier.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's a lot of the purpose of it. I'm every year I see how much it impacts people, even if it's just one, right? It's super helpful.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. Yeah, that's great to see. As far as announcements goes, we have Cyber HackCon coming back next year to the Dallas Four Worth area. It'll be in the spring. We hadn't announced the dates yet, but those will be coming soon. So be on the watch for that.

SPEAKER_02

Yep. That's coming. I'm excited to have the second year. The inaugural year was great. We're already talking about making plans with Amanda to get her to come out to the event next year and maybe do a village. We've got a really cool village area that we do, Amanda. So I think you'd y'all be a good fit. But if you're waiting anxiously for CyberHackCon next year, know that you can come out to CyberSetCon this year in September 15th, 16th in Houston. And we have a CyberHackCon track there. So we're doing a basically a conference within a conference. We do that for CyberHackCon, we do that for OTSetCon. This year we've got an AI SecCon. Who would have thought that we would have anything on AI and cybersecurity? But and we've got some cool villages at CyberSecCon as well. So come out to CyberSetCon to get the CyberHackCon experience.

SPEAKER_01

So Amanda, we usually have our guests share the origin stories before we get into the main topic. So if you would mind kind of sharing with us kind of how you got started and what type of work you do.

SPEAKER_03

Sure, sure. So I got started in tech and security completely on accident. And this is one of my favorite things to hear about other people and talk about too, because everybody's is different. So originally I was signed up to go into the Marines to be a trumpeter. And then I got pregnant in high school. So I'm like, you know what? I'm a really fast typer. I'm just going to go to computer school, right? So I got a two-year degree and a tech school near me. And like, how fast can I get a job? So I worked at an ISP. One of the best questions ever is like, what happens when you sit down at a computer and type in Google to your browser? What happens? I had no idea what DNS was. I had no idea how websites worked. I had no idea about anything. But they gave me the job and I worked in a help desk for a while supporting ISP, like DNS dial-up. I was a website admin for a bit. And then I moved it to a hospital, so it's helped desknet hospital, and then moved my way up doing. I want to be a network engineer. So I did network engineering and system engineering and active directory and Cisco switching and routing and all that kind of stuff for four or five years. And then actually Dave Kennedy came to our hospital because he lives very close to me and did a pen test and let me watch him do the pen test. I'm like, this is the coolest thing ever. I didn't know security was an entire field. He gave me tickets to the second DerbyCon. He's like, yeah, I started this conference last year. Uh, why don't you come or buy? I got to go to DerbyCon, realized there was an entire security industry, and just completely fell in love. I had no idea what I was doing. I just remember sitting in the hallway and talking to somebody about a Wi-Fi pineapple. I had no idea that you could do any of that stuff. It was just super interesting to me because I literally only knew about networking and systems, and then just became a security sponge and realized a lot of what I was doing in networking and systems was security. I just didn't know that at all. So dove into sim management and learned worked for a Splunk company for a while, managing Splunk use cases and the security side of Splunk. And then I went to work for an MSSP. And then that MSSP turned, we rolled over and had people create the SaaS solution called Blumera. So for the last eight, nine years, I've been at this startup called Blumera. And now we have, you know, we're doing pretty well and have our own SaaS service that is way more than just SIM. But I did detection engineering for a long time and then never realized that there's not enough technical people in product. And I wanted to build a platform that I knew I would have wanted to use. Right. So that's my actual like work history stuff. And then to pivot into the mental health aspect of it is when I was giving talks at conferences, I was talking about the stuff I was doing as a sysadmin, right? I did our first fishing education at the hospital, right? And I was building my own stuff with set. And I had this whole fishing themed prize giveaway thing at the hospital was before no before was around, before there was really any companies that was doing that were doing it. And so I was giving talks about that at conferences. That was terrible in the beginning, right? Anyway that says they're a great speaker in the beginning is lying. It was just, I try not to watch any of those first talks because it was really bad. And then somebody asked me after I think it was two or three years after I was doing the speaking circuit to do my first keynote. And I had only been doing practitioner talks, blue team, defense, that kind of stuff. And I'm like, what can I talk about that would resonate with everyone that's gonna come to a keynote? And at the time I was dealing with a lot of my own mental health issues, depression, anxiety. I was talking to people about it kind of online and at conferences. And one of the surprising responses I got was that wow, you don't look like you're depressed, right? You're always smiling, you seem like you should be like, you're always joking with people. I'm like, that's called masking. Lots lots of people do that, and they're just a lot of people in the space tend to self-medicate with things and try and deal stuff on their own. And being a very male healthy industry, women are also less likely to go and get help or talk about it. So we were seeing a lot of stuff. So TLDR. I got I started doing research and reading and stuff into that in the tech space. So I did a talk, it was very well received. People were asking me to give this talk everywhere because it was all based on mental health and security and in tech. And people were just amazed. They're like, I was dealing with the same thing. Because I was talking about this is what anxiety looks like, this is what depression looks like, this is what PTSD looks like. And they're like, oh my God, I thought I was the only person dealing with this. They would just come up to me after the talk and just be like in tears and hugging me and just this huge realization that stuff's happening. So I wanted to reach more people than were just coming to talk, right? Some people skip, they can't make or whatever. I I worked with DerbyCon and asked them if I could do a workshop. I figured four hours would be great, but they gave me full three days. They're like, Yes, we love this. Here's a room, here's three days. I'm like, crap, it's just me. What am I supposed to do with three days? And I've never done a village before. How am I? So I got a bunch of volunteers. We had people give peer-based talks. So we some of our first talks were about how someone with ADHD has organized their pen text results and testing methodology to help with their ADHD, or how somebody in tech has had traumatic brain injury and how that's affected them. And they're all peers, right? They're people that we see day to day at these conferences. So we did that. I raised a ton of money, just like a GoFundMe kind of thing for the first year because I didn't know about sponsors, I didn't know how much interest there was. And I had massage therapists and therapy dogs and coloring and knitting and just all this kind of stuff. And then afterwards, I had a bunch of people come up and be like, How can I have this at my conference? Or how can I help you? Or how can I participate? And it was just very overwhelming. So I gathered a handful of people that were helping, and guess we're just I guess we're just gonna make a nonprofit. So that was like from September to March, it took us five, six months, and then we had our own uh FI1C3 and just started running these villages everywhere. It was just volunteer base, like none of us get any money. And it's just so we can have a place that people can go because I would have massive panic attacks. I would I've been working from home for 15 years, but I would be working from home all by myself for a long time and then be surrounded by people and noise and information and drinking and partying and we name it, all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02

I'd get all people drink at Verbicon over there.

SPEAKER_03

And I'd my brain would freak out and I'd have a massive panic attack. And this was a place that was quiet. I didn't have to go hide in my room. I could just sit in there and chill. And yeah, it was just to give back to the community. So that's my semi-tdLDR of how I got from there to here. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, one of one of the I think that's pretty cool what you're doing. And I think one of the things too that people can benefit from is not only the folks that need the mental health village for themselves, but I think it's good for people to be able to understand because I've got family that have anxiety and depression issues, and people say you look happy and stuff. And so it's really good to and and to let those folks see that this is something that's common that they're not the odd person out that yeah, you don't have to hide or yeah. It's something about and it's something about having your your tribe, your people that you got that you can lean on. So if you go to a conference and maybe there's not a mental health hacker village there, maybe you can run into some folks that you know from there.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and it's very interesting too in our our line of work, all of the different things that we run into that's mental health related. And it was, I think it got definitely worse with COVID, right? When more people went work from home and worked sheltered off. But yeah, it's you have to deal with or always just the anxiety of being hacked. C levels are really super stressed and burnt out, and burnout also attributes to a lot of this, and yeah, there's just a lot involved.

SPEAKER_02

How did that? It sounds like that's the reason you brought in creative the mental health hackers. I love the story that organic growth instead of going, I'm gonna go do this thing. It's like everybody you saw this demand and you jumped on it. I think those stories are even in many ways more inspirational, right? Because people that have a full-time job are doing this thing and then see this need and then still go do it and get like Tom Williams. I know Tom, like him as your veteran. I know that he's got the veteran background.

SPEAKER_04

Yep.

SPEAKER_02

Unfortunately, he was Marines first and then he went to Army. But it's okay. I'll forgive him for that. But but I love to see that. So tell us now outside of just running the village, are there other resources that you guys are doing for the community? Can they go? What all can they do to connect with mental health hackers?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so we have an online community that we use and we talk to each other through Slack or whatever. So everybody's always welcome to join that. We did a lot during COVID because that kind of shifted our model, right? Our whole thing was like disconnecting from technology and having a room that was kind of and when all the cons went to online, yeah. We're like, Great, what are we supposed to do there? That's it's nobody wants to be on more Zoom calls. We did a couple different things. So we did we did remote painting classes, we would ship painting kits to people that had never painted before, or painted before you could join, anyways, and had an instructor come on and we would just paint stuff, right? Just kind of that's cool, talk about whatever they could be creative, and yeah, you were still on a Zoom, you didn't have to be, we'd still ship stuff to you if you didn't want to be. That was one one thing that we did, and then we did what were they called? It's been like two years since we've been on them, but it was like care boxes. If somebody was like really struggling in COVID and with everything, we would people would nominate them, we would reach out and ask them if it was okay to get their contact information and send them something, privacy. I don't want to just receive random addresses and names from people.

SPEAKER_02

Um there's a story there, by the way. I got a I didn't realize I had signed up for it during COVID, and it was like for a long time for some reason that before they sent them out, and I completely forgot about it. And I got this yoga mat. Oh, okay. And and I was like, What I was like, who's trolling me? I was like hitting all my friends up. Did y'all send me a yoga mat? Yeah, like we have no idea what you're talking about. And then I camera run back around, they were like, Okay, we're ready to schedule this yoga. I was like, I completely forgot. I got rid of the yoga mat. I had no great, that's great.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, we did yoga too. We had yoga instructors, and even when we didn't have a yoga instructor, we just watched a YouTube video and did some yoga, but yeah, we would send these care packages to people that had fidget toys and candy and tea and all this kind of stuff, too. So, yeah, we try and do other things as well, not just the village, because yes, yeah, and then things like this. It's important to get the message out there and know let people know that they're not alone. We've had actual legitimate mental health professionals at conferences. One of the people that help organize Blue Team Con, his wife is a psychologist. And she'll come and she'll do talk, she did the talk on sleep health, right? Yeah, just anything that we can think of that might help is what we add to him.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was interesting with all the the online remote stuff during the pandemic. I'm sure that some folks that kind of help because some people don't like being in crowds. But since once things got, did you see anyone that before the pandemic was over or once we could go back in person? Did you see any folks that were like really being affected by like isolation because all of a sudden they don't have all this socialization?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah. And if you think about our field, like we were we have a lot of people like on the autism spectrum and a lot of people with and just in general, different spectrums of different yeah, yeah, neurodivergency and like all of this kind of stuff because computers are fairly easy, they're way easier than people, but depends on also if you're an introvert or an extrovert or it's all over the place. Yeah. So we helped out Blue Team Village last year at DEF CON, and we are this this year also. But I talked to a couple people there that were even in 2025, five years later, still trying to get back into like the socialization aspect because they were just like so impacted.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you're if you're an extrovert, it was hard. If you're an introvert, it maybe made you get into your shell even more and getting out of it. There's somebody I know personally that had said cybersecurity that just recently started coming back out of their shell. It's it and not to even mention like people who weren't necessarily in cybersecurity, then maybe like some younger folks who were like I I tell you, my kids all were like early teens, mid-teens when they were going through all of that. And now it you could see the effect compared to how other kids grew up before are like now. There's a difference in how they look at the world and everything else. Them to then come into a community that's filled with a bunch of people who don't think the same way as they're which is a good thing in our industry.

SPEAKER_03

I love it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, I that's why we're in it. But I actually ran into that at DerbyCon one year because we had we gave some challenge coins from HughSetCon when before it was CybersetCon. We gave some challenge coins away to oh my gosh, hack charity. What's the Johnny's hackers for charity for charity, yeah? And we were giving them to buy, and we had some really cool ones that were like a Jenga Fett, like Star Wars things, and some people bought them for charity, and they spent like 200 bucks on this to give the charity. And I went up to the guy, I asked him if I could take a picture with him just to say, Hey, look. And he was like, he just compacted really quick, and I was like, Okay, I just crossed it.

SPEAKER_04

Never mind, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I was like, I'm sorry, bro. I'm so sorry. He was like, No worries, I'm just nope, I can't. So yeah, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's one of my favorite things about the industry, though. It's just like it's not like any other that I've seen.

SPEAKER_02

It's really not technical or otherwise. I just love the way people think and how they can see things in so many different lights. It's a lot of fun to to talk to those folks. I why I love CyberHackCon. Yeah, that's why we that's why we got to get you there. Cause we man, we just there derby con's not there. I know there's a lot of hacker cons, but I would love to get you to come there and do a a village next year.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02

We could definitely do that, and we can get somebody to get you there. We have a nonprofit side as well. So nice on the cyberset career side of things, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And it's been difficult, like not to derail too much, but it's been difficult even as nonprofits, right? I'm good friends with Jen, who runs sober and cyber.

SPEAKER_02

Jen Legio. Van and is that maybe I'm thinking of I know Jen does some sober, sober and security stuff, but okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and just trying to find sponsors has been difficult. Like all the con all the contraction and like you said, AI is everywhere. I think just making people maybe leave security and droves as well.

SPEAKER_02

Probably, yeah. How do how do people support? How do people is there a join up thing to do?

SPEAKER_03

Or do they well they can email us at that's great? I think it's info info at mentalhealthhackers.org. Go to our website, mental health hackers.org.

SPEAKER_02

Now that I rebooted the server and it's back up, we're all another aspect of being a nonprofit doing everything as cheap as you can do it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and that's the other thing too. I talk to people all the time about burnout and all of these met and then when you run something like this, you're like, oh, I also have to remember that applies to me. Yeah, saying no to DEF CON this year was very hard for me. I'm always a person's yes, let's do this, let's do it. I was going prior to COVID, going to 14 to 16 conferences a year. Oh, wow. And working full time and working full time, right? It was, and I have three children. So it's just like that's a lot, a lot. It was a lot. So that was a nice reset to be like, I am allowed to prioritize that and say no a little bit. Exactly. Yeah. DashCon was a no this year.

SPEAKER_02

Trying to help people with mental health at the risk of your own mental health is ironic. It's weird. It's a little weird, right?

SPEAKER_03

Because I you you mentioned earlier just the natural progression of this. I never thought in a million years that I would be talking about this so often. I tell people all the time, I'm not a mental health professional. Psychology is a passion of mine, but when you're so deep into a profession, like for me to go back to medical school, I'm never, I'm never gonna do that. Let's be honest. I I just like psychology and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, just never thought in a million years that I'd be talking about this. As a normal thing, right? I just I love security and this is secondary passion. But yeah, go to our website. We have Slack. I'm always looking for volunteers and people to help. We have some amazing people that have been running villages for the org. We have kits that will actually ship out if you have volunteers at your conference. I can ship you stuff. It's just a big kit of we have air loungers, we have coloring books, we have crafts, we have knitting and sewing and all this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02

And you can do that for Cyber SetCon this year.

SPEAKER_03

I we I could, yeah. Just let me know. I have all this.

SPEAKER_02

We've got volunteers. We could have an area in the village for people to do stuff.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and I even ship this is what the vibe should be. You should never tell people that you can counsel them that you know if they're actually looking for medical help, like actual help. We have resources for that. Here's the numbers you call or the website you go to. There's a lot of different resources that we get from the APA and NAMI, and like all of these different places have just amazing resources. Yeah, so I can definitely ship you a kit of stuff.

SPEAKER_02

We will talk.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we will definitely talk about talk about some of the activities that you're talking about. The coloring and different things in a village made me think. I went to my first kernel kind this year as the day two keynote, and it was kind of cool there. This year they had an art village too within the village. Really? They had an art village, so you're able to do silk screening. They had these really cool tactical looking bags, and you could create your own patch to go on the bag, but then you also have t-shirts and book bags that you could do silk screening and all sorts of other craft activities, which I'd had never seen before, but was really pretty cool, intermingled there with the traditional village.

SPEAKER_02

That's super cool. Y'all have got kernel con on your site, so y'all have done some EarlyCon on there too, which I love that you still got it on there. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03

I'm the only one that admins the site, so very rarely does that change.

SPEAKER_02

I wouldn't change that, I would keep that on there forever. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So that's I'm a very artsy person, so yeah, I I love that they did that.

SPEAKER_01

It's kind of cool how relaxing that kind of stuff is doing arts and crafts and things, just kind of get your mind off of things. I think it's really good for folks that work in security. You got the pressure of your job, and that's one of the things I liked about learning how to pick locks. So at USECCon several years ago, Stephen Cravey taught me how to pick locks, and I was really amazed at how relaxing it could be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Or you just sit there and watch them.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you watch people sit there and they'll just talk to you and they're like, got that one. Put it down, do the next one. Yeah, I'd love that.

SPEAKER_03

That's one of the major when people ask for advice after I tell them I'm not a professional in mental health. I'm like, Yeah, a lot of the things that I suggest or people have said work for them, literally anything that doesn't have to do with a screen. Yep. You I saw this one meme. It's I wake up in the morning and stare at my small screen until I have to look at my big screen, and then I check my small screen every now, and then I can't wait until I can get off my medium screen so I can go watch the big screen with my small screen in my hand. Getting away from that, just my big thing that I found was yoga and drawing. I didn't know I was a decent artist until the pandemic, and I'm like, I need something, and just picked up some pens and pencils, and now I draw all the time, right? Having something, it took me until I was 38 to figure out that's something I wanted to do, right? So it's never too late to learn a new hobby, especially when it's helping your mental health.

SPEAKER_02

That's how my wife keeps me from driving her insane, is she cross-stitches all the time. We've got cross-stitching stuff. Oh, yeah. And while upstairs is dedicated to her. Yeah, they're quilting.

SPEAKER_04

Makes great gifts.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Fantastic. Yeah. Before you wrap up, I had something a teaser or share something interesting. Because yeah, because your mental your vulnerable you shirt, Matt J's content, that originally started out to be a mental health thing, but then he got into doing cyber news. So that's really what it started out. Vulnerable you was being your vulnerable, your mental state, or whatever. And it transitioned into the cyber news and the content that Matt creates.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It wasn't really what it was. Vulnerable you makes sense.

SPEAKER_02

I thought it was like vulnerability university or something.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. But yeah, that's really where it came from. The you was yourself. It really wasn't a university, but it was very interesting that he switched from that. It's just like you kind of mentioned how the mental health hackers kind of organically kind of grew into it. And that's one of the things sometimes when you plan to do an organization a certain way, how things kind of change. Because I used to run a group called the Pwn School Project. I ran two meetings, one in Dallas and one in Denton, Texas. And it started out mainly going to be offensive security. And then I realized okay, we need to help people learn about offense with defensive security too, blue teaming. So it became more well-rounded. And that's like some of the things I've done with podcasts, but it's interesting to see how that evolves. And it was really good the way you did things because you can start out and then it turned into a more formal thing from the beginning. That's cool. Gotta roll with those punches.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Do what you gotta do. Amanda, thank you very much. This has been great. I've really enjoyed this. Sorry you won't be at Summer Camp.

SPEAKER_03

So I put the concept will be at Okay. I'll personally be a Blue Team Villa Blue Team Con. Sorry. Mental Attackers will be helping out Blue Team Village, a DEF CON, as well as Diana Initiative. They have a quiet room that we're helping with. I'll be a Blue Team Con because I also run all of their villages. I'm the village coordinator at Blue Team Con, and that's in Chicago. And then HEC 2026, I think, is in Indianapolis. It's a I don't remember what kind of conference that is. I think it's education, maybe. And then B Sides Delaware, I'm sure there's some that I'm missing, but those are the ones I know for sure.

SPEAKER_02

So many B sides you can do. Lots. Yeah, I just have a B sides Houston now. It just got kicked back in.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's that'll I'll let them know about you as well.

SPEAKER_03

I talked to B-sides uh Memphis earlier today.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, there's a lot of them.

SPEAKER_02

B Sides Philly would be a good one. Chris Glandon. Anybody that like if they like the Eagles or the Phillies, they need mental health help anyway.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, there's a bunch of them.

SPEAKER_02

I had to kick that in for Chris Glendon. Yeah, thank god.

SPEAKER_01

Thinking of B B sides and people that are heavily supported. I ran into Kat Murdoch at B-Sides Porto. Oh nice, and I didn't hadn't realized that she'd relocated to over there, so that was catching up. Yeah. It's funny, the same time I was there, like a few days before, Alyssa Miller had came through because I think she ended up going on to Lisbon or somewhere else, but she was there a couple days before me in Porto, and also Leslie Carhartt had come in to celebrate her birthday.

SPEAKER_02

Yep from Australia, and she in Australia now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So all of them were in the area at the same time, right before I got there. Wow. Nice powerhouse right there, man. That's great. Phil, any more cool trivia that we need to know about or do we about for the day, but but we appreciate you joining us, Amanda, and thanks for all you do with the mental health village. Of course.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, thanks for having me on. I'll talk to you guys about uh sending a new kit.

SPEAKER_01

We will definitely be reaching out.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Thanks everyone for joining, and we'll see you next episode. Make sure to get your cybersecon tickets. It's coming up in September, so it's coming up fairly quick. And if you're at Black Hat Defcon, I'll be at Black Hat Defcon and Michael, you're gonna be there at Black Hat.

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I will be at Black Hat, and I will be at Besides Vegas as well. And I'll be running all around there. I may get on the floor at some point in time. I do not know. I got so many meetings, it's crazy. But but yeah, I'll be there. Uh be at the Innovator and Investor Summit if anybody's going to that on the fourth. I'm leaving on the sixth. So I'm not practicing good uh sec right now, but it's okay. People gotta know. Yep. All right.

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Thanks everybody.

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Thanks everyone.

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