Before The Sun Went Down: The 2026 Post Oscars Special

The boys give analysis on the 2026 Oscar wins for their second special episode. 

Transcript

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Hello, movie lovers. You're listening to a very special episode of Up All Night Cinema with Wade and Adrian on KNRR. Not really radio. And now, here are the boys.

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So it's been uh an eventful couple of weeks. It has, yeah. It has. Um two really big things happened since the last episode aired. One of them was the Oscars, and we'll get to that in a moment. But the other really big thing is that Chuck Norris died.

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I know.

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The legend Chuck Norris.

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He didn't really die. He just decided to, you know, go after the Grim Reaper.

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I I heard that um Heaven needed better security. So he got promoted. Um did did you uh did you watch any Chuck Norris movies leading up to tonight?

SPEAKER_01 1:02

I haven't gotten a chance to. I did watch some of his Conan stuff with the lever, though, which Yeah, the the Walker, Texas Ranger lever on Conan.

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Probably some of the great TV of late night. Yeah.

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And I mean, the show Walker Texas Ranger went on forever.

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Yeah, it was like seven or eight seasons.

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Yeah. And you know, they were your grandmother loved it. I think a lot of people did. I mean, it's Chuck Norris, you know. Uh he still has arguably the most iconic martial arts scene ever in his fight with Bruce Lee in the Coliseum.

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Yeah.

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Yes, sir. That's iconic for fighting sequences, you know.

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I re-watched because I happened to be off on Friday when the news broke.

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Yeah.

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That he had passed. So um I deviated from my original plan on Friday and I watched Invasion USA, which my brother claims is his best movie. Uh, it was a really good time. It's a classic. What got me was at the end of that movie where he outdraws the villain with a rocket launcher.

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So that's why it's an instant classic, man.

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I mean, that's that's all you need to know about Chuck Norris right there. And then uh I wanted to watch Delta Force because I've never seen that one with Lee Marvin.

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Yeah, that's a good one too.

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But um the time I had between uh invasion USA ending and when Jen was coming home because we were supposed to go out on a date to see a movie. Um, I didn't have enough time. So I watched I watched Lone Wolf McQuaid, oh, which was the climax of that movie is him having a martial arts battle with David Carradine.

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Uh-huh.

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Kung Fu himself.

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Yeah.

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Uh that was pretty cool. And I'm looking at the other movies that are available on Tubi. You know, there's Hitman, there's fucking Code of Silence, there's the Octagon. And when I was a kid, like I wasn't really interested in watching a lot of Chuck Norris movies. Like I was a missing and action fan.

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Yeah.

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But it wasn't like, ooh, let's watch more Chuck Norris movies. I was a bigger, like Van Damme and Steven Segal fan.

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Yeah, me too.

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And now looking at his filmography, I'm all like, Segal has like three good movies, and now I want to see like all these Chuck Norris films.

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Because he's all I mean, granted, the movie might not always be that great, but he's always good in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Yeah, well, I don't know if I'd even say he's he's necessarily good in the movie, but he plays his character. He plays a character he is well. Exactly. Um he's John Wayne, essentially.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yeah, and I would never say he's bad because out of fear of you know, he might be listening or something.

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Yeah, well, I mean, now now he's always listening.

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He yeah, he might show up in your in your dreams night or be your uh what what do they call that? Like your you know the waking nightmares. Yeah, yeah, he he's gonna be your sleep paralysis figure now that you said that.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

You know, Chuck Norris, I heard, I heard one time he was facing an army of 20 armed men, and they were charging him, and he took a single grenade and he threw it and he killed 15 of them. And then the grenade exploded and he got the other five.

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I I mean, speaking of going to bed, I heard the the boogeyman looks out for Chuck Norris at night.

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Yeah.

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Under the boogey.

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I heard, I heard that um when Chuck Norris went away to college, he looked at his father and said, You're the man of the house now.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

I I believe that to be true. Speaking speaking of fathers, you know, they revert they refer to to God as the father, right? Um in a lot of contexts. And you know how, like, you know, the whole creation story, he created everything in six days and then he rested on the seventh day?

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Yes.

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Well, Chuck Norris took over on the seventh day.

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Makes sense. Yeah, makes sense. I heard that Chuck Norris was gonna deliver his own eulogy. Oh yeah? Yeah, but then he also built the the hospital he was born in.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, yeah. He uh he also, and I I'm so excited for this. He used to own a bear skin rug, but it wasn't dead, it was just afraid to move. But now the chuck is no longer here, that bear could finally go on its way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So anyway, uh, we are up all night cinema. I'm Wade. This is Adrian. Say hello, Adrian. Hello, Adrian. Uh so tonight is our second special episode. Yeah, it is. Uh, we're recording this a little later than we expected to. There was some scheduling conflicts, but here we are.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Yeah. We get to um talk about the Oscars.

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Uh again. Again. One more time.

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One more time.

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And final time for the 2025-26 season of the Oscars.

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One Oscar after another.

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One Oscar after another. Uh, so we're gonna do what we did last time with the nominees, and we're just gonna go through uh and tell you who was nominated and who won.

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Yeah.

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And maybe give some analysis on that.

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Yeah, and you know, we definitely talked a lot about the movies in the initial special, so we may spend more time or less time based on our thoughts.

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Or yeah, we'll s we'll see how it goes. But yeah, we should do pretty good. I mean, is there anything you wanted to mention about? I didn't watch the show.

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I watched the show. Um, I really I thought I mean it looked beautiful. The stage and the different settings and stuff look fantastic.

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Um Conan's uh Cold Open, I did see that was really funny.

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Yeah, yeah. Uh the open was great. He cracked some really good jokes.

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Lot of lot of ballet and opera jokes at Timothy Chalamet's expense as well, I heard.

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Yes, uh, there was a lot of those jokes. There was a lot of jokes about uh number 47, um, which were pretty intense.

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But what's the what's the number 47 joke? Um that's going over my head. Our current president. Ah, I see the 40. Yes, I get you now. Um, I also um saw the bit with uh DiCaprio in the the meme. Oh, that's great. Taking the picture for the meme, and that meme is fucking delivered all week.

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Oh yeah.

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I don't think I've seen I've seen at least 50 of those things. I don't think I've seen one that hasn't made me laugh.

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Yeah, they're all good.

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They're all so good. I think it's the mustache that really sells that.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Well, he's you know, he's in that Scorsese movie with Jennifer Lawrence, and I think that's where he's he's using the mustache.

SPEAKER_03 8:26

Yes. Yeah, I've I've seen uh yeah, the one picture of them, uh him and Jennifer Lawrence and period attire, but uh it's also apparently written by Paul Thomas Anderson this movie.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Yeah, that's what you said. I was I had no idea that was that was the case.

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I didn't either, so I'm even more interested in seeing this flick now.

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Yeah, and if it's any good, you know, he he might be nominated for an Oscar next year for uh original or adapted screenplay. I don't know which which it is based on if this is you know taken from something.

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Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. But yeah, uh what do you say we dive in then?

SPEAKER_01 9:04

Let's dive in, man.

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All right, so uh you started first last time, so we're gonna keep that trend going. Yeah. Looking at the same website.

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Yes.

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Just with now uh one clear winner. One clear winner highlighted.

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So well, and in in in in one case, there will be two winners. There will be two, yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

All right, so uh Adrian, did you want to read us the nominees for Best Picture?

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Yes, so the nominees for Best Picture were Train Dreams, Sinners, Sentimental Value, The Secret Agent, Marty Supreme, Hamnet, Frankenstein, F1, Begonia, and the winner was one battle after another, which is how you called it. And you know, I had the hopeful Dark Horse of Hamnet winning, but we also we all suspected that one battle after another or Sinners was gonna win. Yeah, you know, ironically though, this list I've seen all the movies on this list, and you haven't.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

No, yeah, I I I've missed a few of these.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Which um, you know, which is interesting to me that they allow more nominations in the best picture category than they do in other categories.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

Well, we we talked about that too. It was because um, you know, they've had issues in the past where everyone's kind of like, how the fuck did this not get nominated? Because there's always correct some behind the scenes politics of why these things do and don't happen. And so they were really trying to have their cake and eat it too. Like, yeah, hey, look, Frankenstein by Guillermo del Toro got nominated for best picture. Would it have had they only done five? I could tell you right now, if they only did five, uh, they would have done one battle after another, Marty Supreme, Sinners, Sentimental Value, and I'm gonna say Hamnet, probably.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Yeah, that sounds like a good list, actually. That's probably the the list I would have gone with as well.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

Yeah. Um, so I I was not surprised one battle after another one.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

Or I could also see them leaving out Sentimental Value and the Secret Agent because they were no both nominated for international films, if I'm not mistaken, and included Frankenstein and, you know, uh F1 or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

Yeah. Well, F1's one of those movies that I feel like they nominate like Top Gun Maverick because they think it's gonna draw the audience because the movie drew the audience.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Yeah, I can understand. I mean, it did win another Oscar for something, so I will get to that. But um uh but yeah, I totally get that. Um, and and you know, it could be a nomination simply for the fact that it was a huge box office success and draw, like you said, and that maybe deserves an Oscar in the sense that you know uh it was it was probably people's favorite summer blockbuster, aside from Sinners, which was still kind of around when the summer team came around, you know?

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Yeah. Now I I will say that why um everybody else was watching the show, uh me and Jen actually were watching Sinners.

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Oh, okay.

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So we re-watched Sinners, very nice, especially because you know, uh when we did the nomination special, you know, I was very much of the opinion that one battle after another was gonna win a lot of stuff. But I think as our special went on, I talked myself more into thinking that Sinners was gonna clean the fuck up. So by the end, like I think if you listen to that episode again, by the end of it, I'm kind of like, you know, I think Sinners is gonna fucking do this, man.

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Like so how'd you how'd you feel after watching Sinners again? Were you still convinced or were you did you lean more more back to the one battle after another side?

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I think if I was to vote, I probably would have voted for Sinners.

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Okay.

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After having watched both movies twice now, I think I would have voted for Sinners over one battle after another.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

I think I think Sinners does something to you, you know, when you watch it. You know, I'm not saying that one battle adapter does uh doesn't have moments of that, but I think Sinners is more of an overall experience when you watch that movie.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

I would agree. Yeah. Not to say one battle after another isn't uh a good pick. I know there's some internet controversy about it, but I think just aside from the fact that I personally do think Sinners was probably the best movie of last year, looking at it from further back and a little bit more objectively now. It was just amazing that it got nominated for so many awards.

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The most ever.

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So I did do after that last episode the um Oscar nomination special when we couldn't remember what the three-way tie was for 14 nominations. It was Titanic. Okay, All About Eve.

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Oh, yeah, that's right.

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And La La Land.

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That's surprising to me. I mean, I loved La La Land, but I didn't know it got 14 nominations.

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Pause for a sec. Let me make sure that I'm not fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

I thought it was a three, a different three list last time I remember looking at it, but I I I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Okay, yeah. No, it is uh all about Eve, Titanic, and La La Land. And I'm assuming that they hit 14 on La La Land because there were at least two songs that were nominated for best original song. Um but initially when we were also going through the Oscar nomination special, knowing they had 16, I was like, wow, that's fucking incredible. And I almost called it out when we got to the best casting nominations because that was a first time ever, and I'm like, well, that's also not fair to pass movies because that didn't exist. No, but even if we pull that nomination the fuck out of there, Sinners still would have got 15.

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Yeah, it still would have been the most ever.

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So you can't even split hairs with that.

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No, you can't.

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So just for that aspect of it, that they made history in such a way, I think they probably deserved a little bit more than they got.

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I agree. Um, it just felt like Paul Thomas Anderson's night.

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And he's I saw somewhere, you know, this is his tenth movie, and every one of his movies has been nominated for an Oscar in some category.

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Mm-hmm.

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And he himself has been nominated for a lot of them.

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Yeah.

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And he has never won anything. And it's it does seem like this was the time to give him some accolades. And like I said, you know, Sinners is a vampire movie.

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Yeah.

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You know, at the end of the day, yes, it's about racism, and yes, it's about culture and history and music and music and brotherly love and all that stuff, but there are vampires in it.

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Yeah.

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Which tends to turn off the Oscar voter. So uh I'm not incredibly surprised it didn't win Best Picture.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

No, and you know, it might have been perfect timing for the release of one battle after another because of the cultural significance of that movie as well, uh, with the current climate in the United States and how that movie opens specifically.

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Yeah.

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And I think that definitely caused some conversation too.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Oh, absolutely. Um, even though, you know, uh PTA, that's how we'll refer to him just because it's easier to say. Um, you know, the script is, you know, it's been a long time coming. I think something like 10 or 15 years, you know. Yeah. Um, so this idea was already there prior to the climate of the country. So I think it was just uh a perfect storm, so to say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

And it is always nice when these guys do do a movie like um, you know, like Martin Scorsese with silence, which took about 20 years for him to make. And there's something beautiful about making those long, tedious passion projects to get to the screen and then getting the accolades for it.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

So Silence was such an intense movie.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Yeah. So I guess if there was a movie to give Anderson the awards for, you know, the movie he worked on the longest, probably I assume this is the longest he's ever had to work on a film.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

Did you ever see Silence?

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I saw Silence one time. I want to go back to it. So I made I read the book.

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Okay.

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The book was really good. I made a mistake going to the movie when I did. So it is the only movie I ever walked out of. Wow. And and the reason for that is because I so badly wanted to see it that I went when I was too tired. So I had a late night at work. I went to an early showing, and I'm like, man, I'm gonna fucking fall asleep in the middle of this through no fault of the movie, and the other seven people who are in here are gonna have to listen to me snoring. So I extricated myself from the problem and I just haven't gone back yet. But that's one that I think about every once in a while. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Going back because what I saw was great. It's a great movie, really intense and sometimes difficult to watch, but um very good. Yeah, the book was uh difficult to read in some aspects, like the I'm sure they communicate the gravitas of their journeys and uh the other people's you know life experiences very well in the book.

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I'm sure they do.

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Yeah.

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All right, so moving on.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

So moving on, and I'll be curious to know your thoughts um on this one after watching Sinners and whether you you agree or disagree with this one. So go, why don't you go ahead and get into Best Director?

SPEAKER_03 19:29

All right, the nominees for Best Director were Chloe Zow for Hamnet, Josh Safty for Marty Supreme, Joaquim Trier for Sentimental Value, Ryan Kugler for Sinners, and the winner was Paul Thomas Anderson for one battle after another. I really I said it during the previous special, and I'll say it again. I think Ryan Kugler should have won that. Um, yeah, I know we just talked about being PTA's year and how long he worked on one battle after another, but the magic of sinners. Yeah, it it doesn't work without that man.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Oh no, absolutely not. Um it doesn't work without a lot of pieces, but he's the visionary behind it, you know? Um and and I mean just the simple fact that it's an original screenplay that he wrote, it's mind blown really to think about that that level of masterclass, you know, is an original idea. I mean, it's it's it's really beautiful to think about because that movie is, like we've said, such an experience. Um I was shocked, marveled, uh, so many different emotions the first time I saw it in theaters. I just was, you know, jaw to the floor type of experience watching that movie for the first time. And uh I feel like I'm more uh okay or uh in acceptance that they gave best picture to one battle after another, but I really feel like Ryan Kugler should at least have won best director here too.

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The the scene for me that makes me feel like they made a mistake. Oh, it's it's it's the scene in the juke. Actually, there's a scene before that that is just amazing.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Really? Which one?

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Uh so they have the scene where uh stack goes to the grocery store.

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Oh, yeah.

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And um, you know, he starts tal I can't remember the everyone's names, but he's talking to the the male owner, and you know, they obviously know each other and he wants to talk to the wife. So everybody in the grocery store is black except for this guy and his daughter who's running the cash register. And he's like, Hey, go get your mom, and the camera follows this girl across the street where all the white people are to a white version of the same store.

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Yeah, dude. Yeah.

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Where the moms were in the cash register and they switch places and then the camera follows her back.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

It's it's it was brilliant.

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It's such an amazing diagram of the racism in the city. Like for some reason, and and also it helps later in the movie because it illustrates that not only are the blacks over here and the whites are over here, but the one Asian family in town is accepted enough to run both grocery stores by both communities, but they're still not a part of either community.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

No, no, they're just there because they provide a service.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

Exactly. But um, but that also illustrates because the one frustrating part of the movie where everyone's like, What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah. Is this is the scene where the woman, because she's afraid for her daughter's life because her husband is now one of the vampires, tells them to come in because she would rather deal with them here than them go deal with their daughter. And everyone's like, Why would you do this? Well, because she's not a part of this community or that community. She has one fucking community she's a part of.

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Her family.

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Her family, and that's it. And her family's at risk, and that's a layer that you don't necessarily catch the first time.

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It's brilliant, it really is brilliant.

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It's so good, and just that side character story, but the way it's handled in the film, it's just layered in there enough, and you have to give Kugler props for that.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Oh, yeah. It's it's it's it's brilliant storytelling.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

And it's visual storytelling, as I said, with the the walk across the street and back. And visual storytelling particular is one of those things that's kind of disappearing.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

So it's rare to see. We'll get to cinematography here shortly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I I I agree with you, like I said, 100%. I felt cooger should have gotten it for Sinners. Um that scene, I mean, there's a lot of scenes in that movie. The juke joint scene with all the you know when the ancestors come out is phenomenal. I don't I don't even know if there's words for it really. Uh just the fact that they put that together and were able to get a clean shot of it is is really impressive because there's so many people.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

A lot of that shit, a lot of those scenes in that movie were one take. Yep. Like one continuous take.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Yeah. Um I think the two I mean the scenes where they first meet Delta Slim is so powerful as well.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

Uh, yeah, the introduction at that same time of Haley Steinfeld's character, also.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Correct. Um I just feel like this that scene of the introduction of of Delta Slim and then the scene when they they pass all his old buddies, their indentured work workers.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Well, I think they were um prisoners, they were on a chain gang.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Yeah, and he talks, you know, he he recounts the story, right? Um, and then to find out that whole story was improvised and it was so good that they couldn't leave it out of the movie. It's not even in the script from from Delroy. I it's just you know, and their reactions are real reactions, and then he says, Hey, you know, get on that guitar, you know. It just yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

All right. Well, what do you say we move on to the next one? Because I'm kind of excited to talk about this one.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah, let's let's go ahead and uh move on to the next one. Uh the next category is best actor. Um, and we had Wagner Mora for The Secret Agent, Ethan Hawk for Blue Moon, Leonardo DiCaprio for one battle after another, Timothy Chalamet for Marty Supreme, and the winner was Michael B. Jordan for Sinners, which I was not expecting as much as I saw all the reports coming out. I really thought um Chalamet had it in the bag, but after the uh, you know, the SAG awards or the actors awards, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Um as they're now called, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

As they're now called, um, everybody turned their suspicion to Michael B. Jordan winning. And well deserved. I mean, he played three roles in that movie, technically.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

He was so good, he was so good in each of them. Oh yeah. The scene that really caught me this time, the second time watching it, was uh in the juke where he's trying to kick Haley Steinfeld out and he gives her that speech.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

About how he just wants her to be safe and that was never gonna be with him.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Yeah.

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So good.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Oh yeah. I mean, between that and the and the complete opposite story, similar, but the characters are completely different in how they express their emotions, right? With um when he's with uh Masaku in the house when he goes back to visit her for the first time, assuming since their child has passed, right? That seems to be what is transpiring, and and seeing how he's so much more like rigid than Stax, right? But they're still displaying emotion just completely different in those scenes talking to their significant others is really powerful to me. I mean, and the fact that the hat he had to do both of those scenes um and and and display two characters completely different, and then you know, you rope in just the the funness of the vampire, uh it's just so good.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

Yeah. I feel like going into the season, Chalamet was a lock. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And as I said in some future episode that hasn't come out yet, he was gonna shoot himself in the foot, and I think he did. And I think the the large problem was he was too confident, he was too confident, and he made himself indistinguishable from the character.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

So it was it was That's what you were talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:18

And you know, so the voters are like, wait a minute, is this who this guy is? So I think, and like literally the week before the Oscars, I had seen some article on Instagram, and they, you know, they were talking to anonymous Oscar voters. And they're like, Well, what do you think about this? And they're like, Chalomet, fuck that guy. Because he seemed cocky, and yeah, it it kind of was just one of those things.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

It's like although in this movie, yeah, all although the marketing campaign went viral and he they did fantastic with getting its intention out right. Um, like you said, um on all his campaign trail interviews and stuff about the movie, you know, pre and and post its release, um it felt like he was playing that character. And I think that was on intentional, but um, yeah, uh you're you were a hundred percent right that it backfired.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

Yeah, it was it was a mistake because if you're playing uh if you're playing Alfonso Harris in training day, and then Denzel Washington shows up at the award show, you know, you give that guy the Oscar. Wow, that's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

But you know, but if but if Alfonso Harris, yeah. You don't give him the Oscar.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

Yeah, it's like, oh, this is this guy. Okay, never mind. And that's what Timothy Chalamet did. And he I don't know if he's playing a part when he's doing this or what's going on, but it definitely seemed like he never stopped playing the part and they didn't want to know and they threw they threw shade at him all night, like you mentioned originally.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

All night. They even had uh a percussion instrument uh with his that were his ass cheeks with paddles that they were smacking as part of the band.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

I mean, but that's that could just be, you know, a fun joke of the movie because that was such a big scene in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

It was, yeah. But yeah, but is it is it is it necessary at the Oscars? Probably not.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

I mean I mean, is it necessary to drink my own urine? No, but it's sterile and I like the taste. Uh Rip torn, I miss you. Rip torn. But yeah, so that's Chalamet. So he kind of he gave uh Michael B. Jordan the end. And like I said, Michael B. Jordan all throughout the season was the very close runner up, as we could see, because he pulled through at the at the finish line.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Yeah. Um, yeah. He seemed a little shocked when he won.

SPEAKER_03 31:00

Michael B. Jordan?

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Yeah, but he could have just been playing playing it out, you know, like a lot of people do. But I mean I don't know, it's your fur Oscar, man. I don't uh your emotions are all over the place, you know?

SPEAKER_03 31:12

I I don't know how you go in. I don't know. I I've never really I don't appreciate it when I see the guys who win and you could tell that they clearly knew they were gonna win.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

You know, because in the back of your mind, what sane person would it be thinking, you know, I've won everything all season, but I could still fucking lose this.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Yeah. Um, there's there was only one very clear winner the entire award campaign.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

Yes, let's get to that. Yeah, best actress. The nominees were Rose Byrne for If I Had Legs, I'd kick you.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Kate Hudson for Songsung Blue, Renat Renz V for Sentimental Value, Emma Stone for Begonia, and the winner was Jesse Buckley for Hamnet.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

There would have only been one thing that would have gotten in Jesse Buckley's way. If the bride would have screened before the ballots went out.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

And she still would have won.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Uh everyone's everyone's Yeah, she got a lot of shit for the bride so far.

SPEAKER_03 32:22

Everyone's real down on that movie. I am uh not in that group of people.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

But everybody else is real down on that movie. And I think if uh that would have came out two weeks sooner, uh, she wouldn't have been as much of a lock.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Uh the votes would have already been casted.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like two weeks before, they may not have been.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

So I think it may have been a different outcome.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Well, I mean, yeah, it would have had to drastically change because I heard like uh Jesse Buckley had over 95% of the votes. So it would have had to have drastically, drastically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:02

But but like we said, we were sure she was gonna win. She is the there's a very small percentage of people who have literally cleaned up at everyone.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

She cleaned everything. She cleaned everything.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Yeah, and she she's in that select group now. She literally won every major award all year.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

Yeah, I think she won something over like 40 or 50 awards this season for that role.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

She she was the surest bet.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And and very well deserving. I mean, there's there's some scenes in there that you just I would have put them, I would put her performance up there with the best female performance ever on screen. With I would I would I would put her in any fighting category with anybody else and any other female performance. It was that good to me. It's just yeah. Uh I'm I I'll be curious to on your opinion of her performance. Um uh, you know, eventually when you get around to it.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

But yeah. Alright, so uh you want to do the next one?

SPEAKER_01 34:02

Uh yeah. So now we're gonna get to best supporting actress. So we had Tayana Taylor for one battle after another, we had Woon Me Musaku for Sinners, we had Inga Isda, Lilias for Sentimental Value, L. Fanning for Sentimental Value, and the winner, Amy Madigan in Weapons.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. Now I didn't see weapons, but I I do want to watch it for her performance in the rest of the movie. But um I would have been very interesting flip. Yeah, I would have been not been mad if Inga won for Sentimental Value because she was to me outside of outside of Renata and uh Skazgard, um, I felt like Inga was just as good, if not better, than both of them, in my opinion. She was she was so good in Sentimental Value.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

Yeah, um, I still haven't seen Sentimental Value. I really want to. That looks really good. Um, Criterion's releasing an edition of it. Do you think you're gonna blind buy it? Yeah, I mean, yeah, most of the time when I buy Criterion movies, it's a blind buy, but I'll probably buy that one.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Well worth it. It's I thought out of the best picture nominees, and when I'm looking back, um I'd put it in my top three in terms of you know how the movie made me feel, like the emotional or uh riveting response that it that it brought out of me, uh, along with Hamnet and Sinners. I thought sentimental value was right up there just because it's a a very it's a very emotional movie about you know uh family struggles, I'll just say.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

So uh Amy Madigan winning. Uh she is now one of five actresses to win an Oscar for a horror movie.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

It was uh Kathy Bates for Misery and uh Natalie Portman for Black Swan, uh Jodie Foster for Silence of the Lambs, and Ruth Gordon for Rosemary's Baby.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

It's a good list to be in company with.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

It it really is. And um it was also, I think it was the first win of the night.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Yes, that was the first one, if I'm not mistaken, that they gave out.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

And not only did it stop there, but this was a big year for horror.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Absolutely. Or villains.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

After, yeah, or villains, but after Amy Madigan won this for a horror movie, horror movies in total between Sinners and Frankenstein went on to win another seven Oscars.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Big time. Well deserving, too, for the categories they won.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

Yes, sir, but crazy, crazy. We've never had a a year where horror really won that much. Occasionally they'll score one or two, but shit, eight in total. That's insane. Yeah, that's really good. So uh now we get on to best supporting actor.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

And the nominees were Benicio del Toro for one battle after another, Jacob Alordi for Frankenstein, Delroy Lindo for Sinners, Stellan Skarsgard for Sentimental Value, and the winner was Adrian's pick, which was Sean Penn for one battle after another.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Yeah. I've seen all those movies again, and all those. I would have been content with anybody besides Benicio winning. Um not not to say that Benicio wasn't fantastic. I just don't think he was significant enough in terms of the the cal the caliber or the or the amount of time spent in with these other characters in the other films. I felt like their all their role all the roles were just as prominent. Um you know, Benicio, I felt w it which is also impressive that he didn't have as much screen time as these other guys did, and and his role was still just as pivotal to the film.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Um, but I I would have been okay with Jacob Alori, Delroy, or Stellan Skazgard winning. Uh I think, Sean, I think it was really a race between Sean Penn and Stellan, uh, with maybe Jacob getting some of the votes. I'd say outs outside of Jesse Buckley, Sean Penn was the next for sure win, in my opinion. And I would even put it up there as the second, in my opinion, the second best performance of this season for movies. Outside of Jesse Buckley. He was great.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

He was great.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

He was phenomenal.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

I would I would have loved to see Delroy win, though.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

I know. I think we all would have, because I mean, how can you not love the guy? He just, you know, I mean, that would have been a surprise.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

Occasionally the Oscars does like to do that where they'll just pull it out. Like um, I'm thinking of Tilda Swinton and Michael Clayton. I would have to check the books, but I'm pretty sure she didn't win shit all year. Yeah. And and then she won the Oscar.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

So which is fine by me because she's awesome in that movie.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

She is. So I I would have liked to see you know last minute, holy shit, Delroy Lindo. You know, that'd been great.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

Yeah. And because at the same time, you're hoping that Delroy gets featured in more movies, but you don't really know.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

Yeah. Um but yeah, he's been in so many good ones, and he's so good in Cinners.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

He's so great in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

Yeah, I mean, like I said, you know, some of my favorite scenes are with him in it as Delta Slim. He just personifies that role incredibly well, you know. When he takes the sip of that beer.

SPEAKER_03 39:41

Oh yeah, when he when he takes the sip of the beer, and when he eats the when he eats the clove of garlic, and for a minute everyone's like, Whoa, what is going on here, Slim? Are you like, what the fuck? And it's because he's like, Oh, it's all the Irish beer I've been drinking all night. And you know, like that whole reaction of when he starts eating the garlic is incredible.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Not only that, but he was he was the only person uh to my recollection that sacrificed themselves for the group.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

Mostly for mostly for um for the boy, but um his name is escaping me right now. But Preacher Boy. Preacher boy, yes. Um, but he did a pretty selfless thing to give them more time to try to escape or guts get out of the juke.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Yeah, yeah, he he really did. It it was it was a great movie. Uh I do wish I would have won more, but Del Ray was great. Sean Penn was great. Uh-huh. Can't argue. All right, next on the list, sir.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Yes. Um, we have Best Animated Feature, which to me this was also a solid lock. Um, we had nominated Arco, Elio, Little Amalie, or the character of Rain, Zootopia 2, and the winner, K-pop Demon Hunters.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

I have no opinion.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

I I've seen half of these movies. Um, I felt like Zootopia 2 was really good. I liked the first one better, and K-pop Demon Hunters is surprisingly good. Maybe not surprisingly, but it it it shocked me how good it was. Um, and I'm not surprised that it won. It took the world by storm. It really was a a revelation, but that could also be because uh of the entirely large uh significance of the K-pop addition to an animated feature, right? Um I think that was kind of in my experience, that hasn't really been done before in terms of movie making, especially in an animated movie. Um, and so I I felt like it really did kind of take over, and uh it's not its only award of the evening. Um, and so uh, you know, that that tells the significance of of the you know cultural sensation the movie was, but also that that it was well respected in terms of viewership and and the award seasons.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

Yeah. All right, so best international feature. The nominees were the secret agent from Brazil, it was just an accident from France, Surratt from Spain, the voice of Hein Rajab from Tunisia, and the winner was Sentimental Value from Norway.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

Yeah. Um not surprised, right? Not surprised, but uh, you know, I watched Secret Agent. I thought it was a great movie, but I didn't think it was necessarily anything very special. I I I loved it, as I mentioned in another recording. Um, one of the best uses of side characters or B characters that I've recently seen in a movie. It was fantastic. Um, but I've I've I'm really interested in Surat. I really want to see Surat.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

Uh the Frida was playing it, and I was unavailable for every fucking showing, but man, it looks like that looks like a movie.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Yeah, it looks like a movie.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

That looks like a fucking movie, man.

SPEAKER_01 43:08

Yeah, I I plan to hopefully see it very soon.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

Yeah. Alright, your turn.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

Yes. Okay, let's see here. So the next category is best adapted screenplay. For these, we had nominated Begonia by Will Tracy, we had Frankenstein by Guillermo del Toro, we had Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell and Chloe Zow. We had Train Dreams by Clint Bentley and Greg Queter, and then we had The Winner, which was one battle after another by Paul Thomas Anderson, PTA.

SPEAKER_03 43:45

Mm-hmm. This is what I'm because we've already talked about, you know, him winning, and you know, it was based off of uh or loosely based off of uh the book Vineland by Thomas Pinchone. I will say Chloe's. Had a shitty night that night.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

She did.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Because before they even got to the Oscars that night is when they found out that her Buffy reboot had been canceled.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Yeah, that sucks.

SPEAKER_03 44:14

That really sucks. But Sarah Michelle Geller said that they uh let them know like an hour before she was due on the red carpet.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

That sucks, man. They could have waited till after to do that.

SPEAKER_03 44:27

I mean, really, why wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Yeah, that's just a like it feels like an asshole move by the br by the production company.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

That feels like a huge dick move.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Yeah, that's not cool. I didn't know that. I know we had talked about it, you know, off recording just in our normal day-to-day conversations, but I didn't know that aspect of it. That's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

Yeah, Sarah Michelle Geller has been very vocal after that whole thing. She was the one to break the news to everybody on her social media account.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

And yeah, she she said it was about an hour or two hours before when they got the news, and it's just like, the hell?

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Why would you do that? Chloe's out, uh they they showed her multiple times in the evening, and she she always seems to carry herself very well and with a lot of love and sincerity and humility. That's something that kind of always stands out of her, you know.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

Um or maybe, or maybe, just maybe. She she's not so worried about what happened with Buffy because the rumor is that she's working with Tom Cruise on developing Mission Impossible 9. I know. Which game on, dude. I'm like, we really need to stop with this franchise because the last two were not as great as I wanted them to be.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

But having another arthouse director, especially one who hasn't done an action movie before, do a Mission Impossible movie, that's been my nitpick of the last four.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

An Oscar-winning arthouse movie.

SPEAKER_03 46:03

But that's where my Mission Impossible nitpick over the last three movies is. This was such so much cooler when it was like a weird off the cuff director.

SPEAKER_01 46:12

Yeah. Well, I mean, she she's kind of done an action movie with the Eternals, but it was more of a superhero movie. Um an off an off-beat, you know, Marvel superhero movie, but not a true action flick.

SPEAKER_03 46:25

It would still be real interesting to see.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

I'm excited, you know. Um low-key hoping that is true. Oh, well, I mean, Tom Cruise is always a you know uh executive producer on these flicks, so I mean it's not it's not for the sake of not having money to make one of these movies again.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

Yeah. And the last two did do really well. Or especially, I don't know if the seven, I don't think seven did great because of the time it was released, but eight did do very well.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

Yeah, and uh from what I hear, you know, uh Tom Cruise isn't necessarily very happy with the last two movies, and I feel like you there's a there's a sense of redemption if in wanting to make another one, I think.

SPEAKER_03 47:07

Fair enough. Well, you know, uh the the problem was they were kind of made during COVID, and it took twice as long, actually, probably three times as long to make those two movies as they were hoping. So now we get on to best original screenplay. The nominees were Blue Moon by Robert Kaplow, it was just an accident by Jafar Pinai, Marty Supreme by Ronald Bronsteen, and Josh Safty, Sentimental Value by Joaquin Truer and S. Kil Voigt, and the winner was Ryan Kugler for Sinners.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

And now I'm gonna point out what a shitty night Josh Safty had.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Yeah. Um, that could be in part because of Timothy Chalamet, but that also could be in part of all the other drama that surrounds Josh Safty now.

SPEAKER_03 48:00

Uh, yeah. I I I don't think we should comment too much on that because we also don't know a lot of the reality of that and how much is internet rumor.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

Yeah, it was enough for the brother for his brother to part ways with him, and that's pretty significant.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

But see, supposedly his brother hasn't said that.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 48:19

Like it's it's still just something that somebody else put out there. Is it true? Maybe. Yeah, who knows? It's the one and only time I've ever heard that. So, but um, somebody did point out to me uh that Marty Supreme winning absolutely none of its Oscars was the most on-brand thing it could do. Uh, I mean it you're not wrong. So, I mean, good call on that one, guys.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

But you know I mean I really enjoyed the movie.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

Uh it it was it was very good. It's a movie that would have been made in the 70s.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

Yeah, Bronsteen always writes a good screenplay, you know. Um, but uh yeah, I mean it's unfortunate that it didn't win anything because I I think it's it's it's deserving in some categories to do so, but um yeah, it kind of it kind of does fit the bill though, like you said, ironically.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

It's the perfect storm between, you know, the whole Timothy Chalamet thing. The big complaint I kept seeing about the movie online was today's audience was really like, why the fuck are we following this character? You know, 20 years ago that would not have been a problem, but for some reason this year it was a problem. Uh-huh. Because you know, I'd always heard, I've heard a lot of great filmmakers say, you know, your main character doesn't need to be likable, he needs to be interesting. But a lot of people had a hard time with the fact that this guy was really not likable.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

He was an asshole and a narcissist.

SPEAKER_03 49:51

He was a narcissistic asshole. Um that may have worked against it. I think another thing that really worked against it, and in a future episode, I talk about seeing it, and we talk about this guy doing a good job, which is uh what was his name? O'Leary.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

And the shit that I heard about this guy, because I only knew that he was the guy from Shark Tank, but I never watched the show.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

I don't watch the show.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

I don't watch a lot of regular TV. He carries that same persona. That's that's him.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

So I didn't know that, and I've heard some pretty disturbing things about the guy also on top of it. Um and yeah, and then there was the there was the great meme going around because uh Jafar Panai, if I'm saying that correctly, he's an Iranian filmmaker, and he has been in legal trouble in his own country for movies he's made. And there was every indication, I don't know what wound up happening, but there's a lot of indication that he was potentially going to jail again when he got back home because of this movie that was up for Oscars.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

And they're on the red carpet, they got a great shot of him on the red carpet about 10 feet away from Kevin O'Leary, and he O'Leary's wearing this absolutely ridiculous outfit, and he's got a something like a$20 million basketball card hanging from on a necklace.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

Correct, yes.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

And just the look on Jafar Pinai's face looking at this guy says volumes. It's exactly the same attitude a lot of the internet had about this guy being in the movie at all. Yeah, yeah. And so I think you know, those things and potentially, you know, the the Josh Safty rumor didn't help either.

SPEAKER_02 51:43

No.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

So I yeah, going into the season, I thought it was at least gonna win maybe this, if nothing else. But I really thought Chalamet was gonna win.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

But yeah, I felt like their best bet on winning anything in the evening would have been Chalamet, if I'm being completely honest. And and I think out of all the awards, that one probably would have been the most deserving, and where you would say, Yeah, you know, they're nominated for this, they're nominated for that, but that one, like, call it what it is, like he was so good in that movie that it was okay for them to win that. Uh, I would have been completely fine if Timmy would have won. I'm really happy Michael B. Jordan won, but Timmy was my pick because I thought he was just I mean, what he did in Marty Supreme is I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_03 52:37

Yeah. Well, yeah, go going into it, uh, I haven't listened, I didn't re-listen to the Oscar nomination special, but I'm pretty sure we felt like Chalamet and uh Jesse Buckley were locks.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

Yeah, I was, I mean, only because I started hearing rumors about Michael B. Jordan winning the Oscar after SAG, but all season I thought Timmy was a lock for that award, and I think a lot of people did as well.

SPEAKER_03 53:03

Yeah. But once the SAG Awards came out, or the actors' awards as they're now called, once once uh Michael B. Jordan won that, I was like, oh shit, because it's it's rare that those aren't the same people.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Yeah. So and we've when we went over Best Supporting Actor, we forgot to mention that Sean Penn was not there to take his award, which is very Sean Penn.

SPEAKER_03 53:28

Very on brand.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

Yeah. He was in Ukraine actually with uh President Zelensky.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

I I didn't want to say anything because I I didn't want to get your hopes up. But Sean Penn was supposed to be on the show with us tonight.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Was he?

SPEAKER_03 53:42

He was. He was gonna he was supposed to be here. He he might still be in the Ukraine, you know, he he might be off filming a movie something, or maybe he just didn't want to be here. Probably the latter.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

Probably. I mean, it would have been very, very impressive with the time change if he did show up.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

Yeah. Probably jet lagged.

SPEAKER_01 54:03

Probably. Um, but I hear he's considering taking up arms against Russia for Ukraine. So he's he's he has bigger fish to fry, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

Yeah. We're like, hey, do our podcast, and he's all like, oh, I'm thinking about taking up arms against Russia. And it's like, okay, well, yeah, that seems like more of an endeavor for maybe next time. Maybe next time. Maybe when he wins his fourth Oscar, we'll get him on. All right. So this is this is the big one to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 54:32

This is my this is probably my favorite one. Yeah. Um, this might be the most contested um category, uh, potentially out of all of them in terms of uh the significance of each of these movies in cinematography. I because I I think they all in their own way are very deserving, especially Frankenstein and Train Dreams. Those were both beautiful movies. Um so we had a nominated for cinema best cinematography, Frankenstein, Marty Supreme, one battle after another, train dreams, and the winner was Sinners. And the cinematographer um for Sinners is Autumn Archpaw, if I if if I'm Archapah, if I'm pronouncing that right. I don't know. Yeah, uh yeah, Autumn Archapah. Yeah. Forgive me, Autumn, if I'm mispronouncing your last name. But uh she actually um I was really excited when I found out she was doing Sinners because the last movie I saw of hers, I thought was brilliant and had one of the best cinematographies about uh a year or two ago, and that was The Last Showgirls. She did The Last Showgirl with Pamela Anderson. Um, and that movie felt like it was filmed in a different decade. It was beautiful, that movie. Yeah, I thought I think you would still really enjoy watching that movie just for the sake of the movie. It's great, but the cinematography the cinematography's brilliant. That year, that was my favorite cinematography out of any movie released that year.

SPEAKER_03 56:10

Yeah. And I paid real close attention to the cinematography while watching Cinners this last time.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

Oh, dude, incredible. It's incredible. Yeah, I don't know where we where we start with Sinners, to be honest with you. It just the whole movie is a cinematic masterpiece, it really is.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

The the sequence, the two sequences that really caught my eye from a cinematography point of view, were when um Smoke goes and visits his uh child's grave. Oof.

SPEAKER_01 56:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

And you know, the way that that whole sequence looks.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

Yeah, there's a there's a sense of darkness that looms over him, and yeah, you see it visually in the screen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:53

And then there's the scene where uh I think his name, if I'm correct, is Jack O'Connell, the villain of the movie, runs up to that house in the middle of the field and the sun is dipping behind the roof.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

It's just such a beautiful movie to look at.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

You know, to me, the uh the opening sequence in the church is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_03 57:17

All the scenes in the juke are fantastically lit.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's even the the dancing sequences outside with the Irish song was phenomenally shot. Uh yeah, I mean, every sequence really uh it's just you could take any any one like entire scene from that movie and consider it just alone for best cinematography because of just one of those scenes. It really is that impressive of a movie.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't she also the first woman to ever win this award?

SPEAKER_01 57:49

That is correct.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

And you know, uh her acceptance speech uh had a lot to do with that. Um, you know, if I'm not mistaken, she had all the women in the audience stand up. Nice and say, like, you know, if it wasn't for every one of you here and all the women that come before us, um, none of this would be possible. It was it was it's it's a very monumental moment for for uh women to win a category like this that's been dominated by men for so long.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

But I think that's also a testament to Ryan Kugler because you can tell he he really loves these people, and everybody that talks about him echoes that. Yeah, you know, he's like uh an extended family member to all these people. Um, not many directors do that. I think uh I've heard people talk about Guillermo that way, and I hear everybody talk about Chloe Zhao that way as well. Um, that they create uh almost like a family environment on uh, you know, when they're filming and stuff like that. Um, and I think that's really powerful that they create that level of comfort to go in and do your job. Because I hear with some other, you know, directors that were nominated or had films nominated, that sometimes they're they're very difficult, strenuous to work with, but um, they know that they're good directors and so the art is worth it.

SPEAKER_02 59:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:13

I know that like, you know, everybody who works with PTA knows that you're gonna be there all fucking day when you're working with them because you're gonna take, you know, fifty shots of the same scene, supposedly.

SPEAKER_03 59:22

Yeah. Well, you know, and that's the I've I've heard that with I mean Kubrick was like that. I hear Ridley Scott is like that. And they're people that you know keep making movies.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

I mean, people want to work with them for a reason. It's not to throw shade at them. I'm not saying that. It's just a different way of meticulously going about your work, you know?

SPEAKER_03 59:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:44

And um, it's all well well warranted. They're they're getting nominated for Oscars for a reason.

SPEAKER_03 59:50

All right, all right. Well, let's try to rush through these guys for for everybody at the so let's see here. Best film editing. The nominees were F1, Marty Supreme, Sentimental Value, Sinners, and the winner was one battle after another.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

This one was interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:09

I mean, I I kind of think we decided that that was probably gonna be the winner because of the way that the chase scene at the end was edited.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

Yeah, yeah. Uh that was an incredible scene. Yeah. Yeah, that was a that was a big deal. But when you watch F1 and you think about the editing in that movie, the back and forth, in-car, out car, different parts of the track. I mean, the way they they edited that movie I thought was brilliant as well. I don't know, man. All right, yeah. Your turn. Next one. Best production design. Now, I think this was a pretty clear category. Um I agree. Uh we had Hamnet, Marty Supreme, one battle after another, Sinners nominated, and the winner was Frankenstein, which I assumed would win this category.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

Yeah, it was it was pretty. I mean, I feel like Sinners had a good shot, but yeah, Frankenstein, the production design is just next level.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

Yeah, it really was. It was uh uh a beautiful movie to watch. And to me, it would have been uh in terms of uh cinematography, it's tied for a second with me with Train Dreams. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:18

So for uh best score, our nominees were Begonia, Frankenstein, Hamnet, one battle after another, with Sinners winning the Oscar.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

Yeah. Um, I felt like this was a race between Sinners and one battle after another, primarily, uh, because I've talked about it in other episodes where um I regularly go back and listen to these scores, and uh they're both very memorable to me. Like I can put on the full soundtrack and it takes me through the mo the movie, and I know that the scores are really good when I'm able to hear the song and recount the movie in my head while I'm listening to the score. I know they've done their job when I'm able to do that. Um yeah, but I mean Ludwig Gorensen, man, uh he he's he's on every major project at least once a year, you know, and and and he'll be in the running next year too, uh, because he's doing I believe he did uh uh the Odyssey, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:18

So yeah, that'll probably be a big one too.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

Well, next year's gonna be really big because you have the Odyssey and then you have Han Zimmer uh doing Dune 3, which he he came out with a with a bang from the trailer with Dune 3.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:31

I mean, yeah, uh yeah, the song on the trailer was pretty wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

With with Timmy with Timmy chanting, that gives me chills, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:39

Uh so when I when I watched centers aside from the uh cinematography, I also tried to pay real close attention to the score. Because that's I know that's more of a you thing, and I just it's just kind of the background and a piece of the movie for me, and that one doesn't register as much in my like I don't have the ear that you have, but I really paid attention this time, and yeah, the score was pretty fucking great.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:02

Dude, it's phenomenal, man. Uh, you know, those uh individual scenes when they have just the guitar or the banjo in the back playing, you know. Um it's it's perfect. It really is. It's it's it's so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:14

Whatever that tune is that they play throughout the movie, they play it at the end when they're defeating the villain. That is an amazing piece of music.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:25

Yeah, yeah. Uh Ludwig's, I mean, he I think he's a he's a three-time Oscar winner now already, you know, for for score. He he won for Oppenheimer and he won for what was the other movie he won for? Um, shoot. He'll, you know, when everything's said and done, in my opinion, he'll be in the same category as John Williams and Hans Zimmer's for best, you know, uh best composers of all time, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:50

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

Uh he won for uh Black Panther in 2019. That was the other one, which also has a freaking amazing score.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:00

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

So here we go. Here we go.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:03

Best song. The nominees are Dear Me from Diane Warren Relentless, I Lied to You from Sinners, Sweet Dreams of Joy from Viva Verse, Train Dreams from Train Dreams, which is about train dreams.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

And the winner was Golden from K-pop Demon Hunters, which was not a surprise.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:30

Everybody knew they were winning those two categories, like I mentioned earlier.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:34

But that was also having seen highlights from the show, probably one of the saddest moments.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:42

Because Diane Warren apparently has now been nominated for Best Song 17 times.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:47

And she hasn't won yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

Got a big fucking goose egg.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:51

Yeah, that sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:52

I I I mean, not having heard the song or really most of these songs, I can't really say who I think should have won, but I man feel so bad for D.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

Imagine she she's probably the most nominated, you know, for the Oscars that has never won. That's yeah, that's crazy. 17. 17 is a wild number to think about. That means she's you know, she's been the best at her craft for a really long time. And she's never won. Well, arguably the best since she's never won.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:26

But I mean to get 17 times is fucking crazy. That's insanely good.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Oh, yeah, that's that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:33

But usually when you've been nominated that many times, you have one or two trophies to show for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right, next next is best makeup and hairstyling, which I felt was also kind of a lock. Yeah. So we had Koku Ho, we had Sinners, we had the Smashing Machine, we had the Ugly Stepsister, and the winner, Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Not a shock. We all kind of saw that one coming. Same with uh best costume design. The nominees were Avatar, Fire and Ash, Hamnet, Marty Supreme, Sinners, and the winner was Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:13

Yeah. I mean, the other movies had great costume design. Uh Hamnet and Sinners, I thought were fantastic. Marty Supreme too, because it was, you know, uh had to be catered to the 50s, but they don't stand a chance with Frankenstein. All right, next one. Best visual effects. We had F1, Jurassic World Rebirth, The Lost Bus, Sinners, and the Winner, which was Avatar, Fire, and Ash.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:43

Yeah. Let's not uh let's not trigger Wade this evening, so we're gonna move on to the next category, which was the new addition to the lineup.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:54

So best casting. The nominees were Hamnet, Marty Supreme, The Secret Agent, Sinners, and the winner was one battle after another.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

This is interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:05

Um it's a very that's a very interesting category.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:09

Yeah, it is. Um I have mentioned already that I thought the secret agent had a phenomenal casting because of the brilliance of their side characters, but you can't deny the greatness of the other movies also in their casting. Uh they were all brilliantly casted. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:28

I was gonna say I I feel like the race was really one battle after another sinners, as with most of the races. Yeah. Because A, they had so many not main characters, but prominent characters.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

They did.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:44

You know, Marty Supreme was really well cast, I get that, but there's you know, not as many uh I wouldn't say that either.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:53

No, but the he here's the thing, I was just gonna mention it. The brilliance of Marty Supreme is that Josh Safty and I don't recall the name of the casting director, but they cast a lot of non-actors in these roles, and they were brilliant. Tyler the creator, who plays uh Marty Supreme's best friend or right hand man in a lot of the sequences. He's a rapper. I don't recall him acting in anything major, and this was pretty significant. He was fantastic in the film all the way through when he was present. Um, and there was a few other actors that you know he took two or three guys off the streets. One was a homeless guy, the other guy was in a drunk viral video after a New York Knicks game. Yeah, it was brilliant what he did with with them, and any good director will get a a good performance out of who they cast. And I thought that was really impressive from Artie Supreme. I really did. Um, I I agree with you. Um, I mean, Hamnet, you know, yeah, I was really surprised that Paul Mescal wasn't nominated for something because I thought he did really good. And to be honest with you, I thought the boy that played Jesse Buckley's son should have been nominated for a supporting actor role because he was incredible in that movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:07

Oh, such a crowded category this year for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

Yeah, it really was a crowded category.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:12

That was a strong category. Paul Mescal would have got anywhere, probably would have been in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

Yeah, yeah. Although he played more of a a lead role, but he wasn't necessarily a lead. I think the I think the son was more deserving, probably, than uh Mescal, but I would have been okay with either one of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:30

Yeah. I I thought the cast of Sinners and one battle after another were both great. I would have been happy with either one of those winning.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

Yeah. So we're going on to best sound. So we had uh nominated Frankenstein, one battle after another, Sinners, Surat, which I know a a chunk of that movie takes place where like the father and the son go to a a rave to try to find the daughter. So I'm I'm assuming the sound the sound's incredible in that movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

It looks wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

But the the winner was F1, and I thought that was well won uh because everything they had to do with the Formula One cars and and and things like that was incredible. Um and I thought it was well deserving.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

All the zoom zoom and wrenches and lug nuts.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

Yeah, I thought it was really cool. I'm glad they won that one. I think that was for them outside of uh editing that I thought they could have very easily won. I thought this one was definitely their category to win. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

And that was the last um major award. We will kind of talk about this one, the best live action short film. Because this is the one where there was a tie. The other nominees were Butcher's Stain, A Friend of Dorothy, Jane Austen's period drama, and the winners were the singers and two people exchanging saliva.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:51

Yep. It was really funny because uh they had uh Kamal Najiani present this award, right? And he goes to open the the envelope and he goes, It's a tie, you know, like everyone hold your horses. Hold on. I'm gonna say one and then they're gonna come up and get their award, and then I'm gonna say the other one, and they're gonna come up and get their award.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

All right, yeah, fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:16

That was really cool to see though.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:17

Yeah, it's been a long time since uh I don't think I've ever seen a tie.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:22

I don't think uh there's been a tie in our recent, not I wouldn't say in our lifetime, I don't recall, but in what we've been been able to watch, I don't think we've ever come across one. But um the ties, there's only ever been seven ties.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:40

Um and the last one, I think you said in the the Oscar nom special that it was uh best actress. Uh that that's the one I recall seeing most.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:50

Yeah, I think that was the last one, though. So I have the list here. The most recent win was at the 85th Oscars in 2012 for sound editing between Skyfall and Zero Dark Third.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:01

Oh, I remember that now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:03

Yeah, the most recent, the one I was referring to was 1968 at the 41st Oscars for Best Actress, which is really interesting. Where Catherine Hepburn for The Lion in Winter and Barbara Streisand for Funny Girl tied.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:19

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:20

I think that's the biggest one, obviously, because of the the two names there. Those are two tour de force actresses in cinema history, you know. Um, I thought it was really touching also during the awards for Barbara Streisand to sing as they uh remembered Robert Redford. I thought that was really touching to send Robert Redford off that way at the Oscars. I thought that was really beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:45

Yeah. Well, that was the Oscars.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

That's the Oscars, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:51

That's the Oscars. That's pretty much the end of our second special.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:56

Yeah. And I think I think for the most part, uh everything kind of went the way we expected, or generally thought it would, between who we thought were the main players to win in each category.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:11

There was a couple shake ups between like Michael B. Jordan coming out ahead. I thought he was a runner-up possibility.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:19

And he wound up coming up ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:22

Definitely.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:23

So that was nice. But yeah, for a large portion of it, pretty much what we thought, like all the ones Frankenstein won, I'm not surprised. And uh, we called Paul Thomas Anderson and Kugler winning the screenplay Oscars, and one battle after another winning best picture. And I I really didn't think Sean Penn was gonna win best supporting actor. I I really didn't think he would, but I know he was your favorite going into the season.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:49

Uh yeah, to me, I think if I were to if if I were to put money, betting money on the Oscars for awards, I would have betted on uh Jesse Buckley, which wouldn't have I would have had to bet a lot of money to win anything. And Sean Penn.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:02

Nobody was too for money on Jesse Buckley.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:05

No, but it would have been great for a parlay because that's a guaranteed win in a parlay.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:09

Um, but the other one for me was Sean Penn. I felt like since the beginning, I didn't I didn't like I said, I don't think I saw a better male performance this season for movies than Sean Penn.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:20

I I probably would have lost money because um I thought Ryan Kugler for best director was a sure bet.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:27

Yeah, I think that's the one for me too. I think even more so in our discussions now, talking about it now. Um I wouldn't say I'm upset with anything because it's not worth getting upset over, but the one I'm most contested about is definitely the best director for Ryan Kugler because you know he won screenplay, which is you know, original screenplay is a huge achievement, but uh he still missed out on the two major categories for him, which were were obviously best director and best picture.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:57

Yeah. And we'll see. Supposedly Mr. Jordan is gonna be uh Ricardo Tubbs in um the new Miami Vice movie. We'll see if that comes together.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

Well, what I've heard recently is that he's now demanding more money, and as they tend to do when they win these things. Exactly. So um rumors, at least initial rumors that I've been seeing circulate is that they're unsure now about Miami Vice due to that. I'm assuming they're gonna go and pay them or they'll come to an agreement at some figure, but yeah, it's to be expected. You're an Oscar winner now, so naturally uh your your price tag goes up. It jumps up, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:41

Yeah, well we'll we'll see if uh it doesn't come together. We always have Michael Mann's Miami Vice.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:48

Yes, we do. Oh and uh we'll we're we're still gonna constantly be talking about heat too as well with Michael Mann.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:56

So we'll see how that goes. So yeah. Anything else you want to say about these here Oscars? Anything else uh that struck you or that you'd like to comment on?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:07

Not really. Uh I really thought Conan did a great job. Um I didn't I didn't like how they cut off multiple people. I heard about one of them was really bad. I don't recall which one it was, but they cut the person off. On the other ones, they they let them keep talking, but on one of them, they cut the person off and they just went to a break. So it like panned out why the person was still talking and the music was going, and then they cut the mic and it panned out and went to a commercial and it just looked terrible. I thought I thought the rest of the night went really good, and like I said, um the the set design and everything was was phenomenal. It was it was uh to me, in my opinion, it was it was one of the best looking Oscars I've seen. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

And um at least they didn't uh give somebody an Oscar on the red carpet before they even got in the building.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:02

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:03

Which show was that that gave the director of uh the secret agent best international feature on the red carpet?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

Was it was it at the actors or was it at the the the critic's choice? I think it was critic's choice.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:17

It might have been the critic's choice.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:19

Yeah, that was a lowball, man. I think that they did that.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:23

That was some shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:24

Yeah, that was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:26

I mean, including what you were just describing with the cutting that person off during her acceptance speech, that was probably the lowest I've ever seen is given a an award, a major award out on the red carpet. Like, here, your award doesn't matter enough to show during the main award ceremony, so we're just gonna give it to you here. Like, why am I here then?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:50

Yeah, that might be the lowest thing I've seen. Like, that's such a disrespect to their art and them as a person to not give them the space in an award ceremony to earn their award and be able to say something on stage. And like it's monumental for these people, and that's that's to me is just such a low blow.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:09

At least to go up on stage.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:12

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:12

Like, even the person who got cut off during the Oscars that you were just describing, they at least got to go up on stage.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:20

Yeah. Like And not only that, like, you know, uh the Oscars have this long hallway that they walk down and they get to have their quiet time before entering the media where they get to just be with them and their Oscar and look at all the pictures on the walls of all past winners and all this other stuff, and they get to have their moment, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:42

But I I feel like when you cut somebody off or you cut a group off, and nobody really like went incredibly long with their speeches. It was just bad timing, I think, because uh I think they they didn't really know if it was just gonna be the one person talking or if somebody else won was gonna chime in. So I I don't blame them for cutting them off, but I also think they stopped the music for other people who joined in to talk secondhand or third hand, but on this one specific one, I'll have to look it up, they just panned out and shut it all down and went to commercial break. And I thought that was really, really sad. I did also thought think it was really funny that they cracked jokes about Adrian Brody's length of his exp uh his acceptance speech from last year when he uh when he went on to give the award for best actor, because he he had an incredibly long acceptance speech last year. Um and so like when he got on stage, it it was either Conan or somebody else that cracked a joke prior saying, like, oh, along the lines, hopefully um, you know, this one doesn't last as long. And Adrian Brody walks out and he pulls a a script of papers out of his pocket.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:54

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:56

And it was it was it was perfect. It was so well set up. Um uh yeah, I thought that was I thought that was really funny too.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:03

Yeah, sounds good. All right. Well, so yeah, so that's our uh that's our show. That's our second special episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:12

Yeah, we have some great great ones uh lined up for everybody, but for now we are going to uh sign off on this special and uh we are up all night cinema. I am Adrian. Say goodnight, Wade.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:27

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Yeah, yeah, it is. Um, but yeah, thank you for tuning in and uh we'll see you on the next one.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:54

Good night, everyone.