Animated Aliens, Cyborgs, and a talking dog named Dug

The boys discuss their favorite animated films

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Hello, movie lovers. It's after midnight and you're listening to Up All Night Cinema with Wade and Adrian on KNRR, not really radio. And now here are the boys.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

Hey Wade. I'm too old for this shit, man.

SPEAKER_06 0:21

You know how old he was when he was saying that in the first movie? He was like 42 years old.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Yeah, and he you know, he's one of those guys that always just looked older than he really was at times, you know?

SPEAKER_06 0:33

Well, I I I think people just looked older back then.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Yeah, that's true. You see all these next, you know, side by sides, and it's like, dang, that guy looks like he's in his 60s.

SPEAKER_06 0:46

Yeah, and we just look really young now.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 0:50

And I don't know why that is.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Danny Glover, man.

SPEAKER_06 0:54

He he he's a classic.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

He's very much classic.

SPEAKER_06 0:57

Yeah, I love I love Danny Glover.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Those bits from Lethal Weapon are iconic. That's like the line you wait for in those movies, you know?

SPEAKER_06 1:09

Yeah, I I don't know if he says it outside of one. I'm sure he does.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 1:14

Uh I love in two when he made this big production of his daughter being in the commercial.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:21

And so Mel Gibson told everybody about this commercial. And so everybody watched the show and it was a condom commercial. And he's all like, Oh, you just couldn't keep your mouth shut. There's gonna be rubbers in the mail, rubbers in my lunch, rubbers, rubbers, rubbers.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Yeah. What's your uh what's your favorite lethal weapon?

SPEAKER_06 1:43

It's kind of a toss-up between one and two.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:47

It it depends. Um, I think they're both excellent movies. Uh one is um a little grittier, which I like.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:57

And two is a little bit more of an action movie.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:02

Three, I've always had kind of a love-hate relationship. Like I want to like it, and there are things I like about it, but I don't think it's really that good. Mm-hmm. And then as I think we discussed before, I just did not dig for. I thought that they were a little they went a little over the hill on that one.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm partial because of Jet Lee.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

You know, um, and my affinity for martial arts, but also because I've met him in person. He was really kind to me as a young kid that was practicing martial arts.

SPEAKER_06 2:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

And uh really humble guy, and even though, you know, there's a lack of communication because of the language barrier, but I think he he understood enough, right? But yeah, I think it's hard to top the first lethal weapon. Yeah. There's this and granted, you know, um in the decade it's made, like there's a a like you mentioned, it's grittier uh the word I think of is like grunge, you know. It's just a much more like brutal take on the the series of the lethal weapon movies. They definitely lightened it up a little bit as they went on, and I think they became more Hollywood blockbusters because of how well the first one was received.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

And I think the first one, they definitely took a more, like the title says, a more lethal approach to how the script was written and ha the scenes and the dynamics of the characters and how they went about doing their business.

SPEAKER_06 3:30

Yeah, I just felt like they got more comedic as they went.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 3:35

They became more more comedies. I know Shane Black, because he wrote the first one.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 3:41

Obviously, because it's set at Christmas and the opening titles are Jingle Bell Rock. It's gotta be a Shane Black movie.

SPEAKER_03 3:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:50

But he did write the first script for Lethal Weapon 2, and I think a lot of his structure is still there. He gets a story by credit on on the final film, but when he wrote it, and I would love to read his script.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah. It'd be interesting to see how different it is from the actual film.

SPEAKER_06 4:11

Well, I know um Riggs, Mel Gibson's character, dies at the end of two. Really? In his script, he kills Riggs. Really? And that was a you know, that was a big thing for the studio. They were like, oh, because they were obviously starting a franchise, and they're like, we could do three, four, five, six of these, and killing Riggs was not the way to do a sequel for them.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

But it makes sense though, just because of how volatile he is in the first one. I mean, it would make sense that at some point his gunslinging, reckless behavior was gonna get him clipped, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:48

And at the end of the second movie, they actually do shoot the shit out of him. They do. Yeah. Unbelievably, he's still alive at the end of the movie, but he could just as easily die off screen after the movie ended.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:04

So it they it was kind of left as that unopen question if he lives or dies.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Um, there was obviously that and maybe that's how the original Shane Black movie ends. We don't know.

SPEAKER_06 5:15

Oh no, that's definitely how Shane Black ended it, is him dying.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

And they left it open, like you said, for the third one.

SPEAKER_06 5:22

Yeah, they they definitely lean more towards hope because these they're joking and laughing and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:28

Um, you know, oh, don't make me laugh, the bullet wounds hurt, you know, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yeah. And granted, you know, the popularity of the second one led them to make the rest of them.

SPEAKER_06 5:38

So Yeah. And the rumor is that they keep working on a fifth one. Wow. So uh Shane Black actually wrote a script, or I don't know if he wrote a script. I I don't want to say. I I'd have to look that up for sure. But he at least approached Warner Brothers with a full idea that would have capped the series just a couple years ago and they turned him down.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Oh, I'd be interested if Shane Black were to do it.

SPEAKER_06 6:06

Yeah, no, he he they turned him down, and uh I know that they've been talking about a fifth movie for a long time, and there's rumors that Mel Gibson is gonna direct it. Ooh, that's interesting. Because uh Richard Donner, the director of the first four, has passed away in the interim.

SPEAKER_04 6:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:24

So we'll see if that ever happens. I honestly hope that it never happens.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

Yeah, I can't realistically see it happening just because those guys at this point, I mean, what what are they gonna do? You know?

SPEAKER_06 6:37

Well, both of those guys should be long since retired.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 6:43

You know, like realistically, they're both retired.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 6:48

If they're even still alive, you know, the characters.

SPEAKER_03 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:52

But I don't know. It's just one of those things like Hollywood loves to do this now where they just keep flogging the dead horse.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Yeah, I I would I would assume they'd probably have to spin it with like, you know, younger versions of of themselves coming through the department or something, you know, the typical the typical B story that they need to like, you know, yeah, switch characters, the legacy thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 7:17

Yeah. I don't know. They did have the TV series, which I understand was really popular for a while until the uh guy who played Riggs pissed off everybody who worked on that show and they wound up firing him. So I was told that was really good. I never watched it. They just need to stop doing this kind of stuff where they just keep these old franchises alive.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Yeah, it just screams like that there's no original ideas anymore, and that's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

See, I I don't believe that there's no original ideas.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

I don't either, but you know, the studios aren't giving them chances.

SPEAKER_06 7:53

They they want IP. That's what's gonna make them money. And the audiences keep doing that too. Yeah. Like they they keep going to see Wicked for for good, but they won't go see, you know, one battle after another. So that tells the studios, hey, people will go see part six, part seven, part eight of a series or a remake of something, but they don't want to see an original idea. They don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Yeah. But, you know, I give credit to Wicked because I actually really enjoyed the first one, and I'm not a huge fan of musicals. I know people love musicals and they always do well, it seems, or are well received in cinema. And I think because it's kind of like a market for viewers, obviously, a lot of people who go watch those are avid viewers of like, you know, Broadway or live plays, or they they've read the books prior, that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_06 8:51

Yeah. Um Well, I I'm not necessarily knocking wicked, like I see I haven't seen them.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:58

But, you know, it's all stems from a you know, how old are the books to the Wizard of Oz? Over a hundred years old now.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_06 9:08

And then they got the classic movie from 39, and you know, they've they did a sequel in '85, the The Return to Oz, which was a trip, then they had the Oz the Great and Powerful, which was a giant piece of shit. You know, it's just that thing where we keep taking these old things, like we talked about Beverly Hills Cop 4 recently. You know, they did another shaft movie in like early 2021, maybe late night 2019, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:39

You know, they just take these franchises and they keep trying to perpetuate them every few years, and they'll do things like with Leet the Weapon, where okay, well, we haven't made a movie in 20 years, let's do a TV series.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:52

And then the TV series is really popular for this short amount of time and then it disappears. Now let's do Leet the Weapon five. It's just like, stop.

SPEAKER_04 10:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:02

Stop for the love of God. Why are we doing this?

SPEAKER_04 10:06

Yeah. No, I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_06 10:08

So I I get that Wicked is really popular and uh is making a bunch of money, and it's not really Wicked, I'm knocking necessarily. At least Wicked is different in a way, you know, it's a musical and it's the Broadway play.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:24

But, you know, a lot of these things, like it's just like, you know, we need fresh franchises.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:32

And I don't really see anything on the horizon. I'm sure somebody somewhere is trying to make a sequel to Sinners.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Warner Brothers already talked about it.

SPEAKER_06 10:41

And I think um Coogler had ideas for sequels or spin-offs or something.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

I don't think he really wanted to do them, though.

SPEAKER_06 10:52

Okay. From what I've I think his contract had, you know, a stipulation about how he was in charge of sequels or spin-offs, and maybe that's because he doesn't want to do any.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

I mean, yeah, I I that's what I heard. Um, but because of the acclaim it got and how popular it was, Warner Brother, from what the rumors were, were immediately pressing him to look into doing another one, and he's like, like, he was kind of like, hold up, you know. But I think even even the fans were curious, it's like the two that I thought could be really good was like an origin story for the villain.

SPEAKER_06 11:27

Yeah. Which I'm never interested in, the origin stories.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:33

You know, like weapons. Or you didn't see weapons.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

I didn't, no, but the other tagging along the origin story, um, the better one I heard was the pursuit of the Native Americans of the villain. I think that would be really cool.

SPEAKER_06 11:50

I mean, to a degree, yeah, it could be cool, but that pursuit we already see it end, and they don't really do anything because you know they get to the house, oh no, there's nobody here, and then they go off on another direction and they're never seen again.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

And there's only so much they can do because they don't go out at night. Yeah. They don't pursue at night because they know they can kill 'em. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they can kill 'em, but it's increasingly difficult, right?

SPEAKER_06 12:19

Yeah. So I I feel like a prequel about the Native Americans wouldn't be without without, you know, because the another thing prequels do that really annoy the shit out of me is they make the first half. Well, so the movie, like we said, they show the Native Americans tracking the villain to that little cottage, and then the wife's like, oh no, there's nobody in here.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:44

You know, get away, and they they leave because the sun's going down, and then we never see them again. But if they were make if they were to make a prequel, that would be a wild action-packed movie that would not really track with how that story goes.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

It wouldn't, and that makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_06 13:02

Um, like for instance, one of the things that we've talked about, probably the best Star Wars movie made since the original three is Rogue One.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 13:14

Well, one of the biggest problems I have with that movie is it's like, you know, they show Darth Vader at the end wrecked that whole room of guys.

SPEAKER_03 13:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:25

Which is badass, and it shows how badass he is.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:29

But then it feels like 15 minutes later is where a new hope starts, and the guy at the end of Rogue One is not the same guy at the beginning of A New Hope. It doesn't track.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Yeah, yeah. I really enjoyed Rogue One, and I don't know if there was original interest of like making more in between or not. I I I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 13:52

I'm sure there was.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Yeah, but uh yeah, Rogue Rogue One was was very good.

SPEAKER_06 13:58

Um Rogue One was very good. I would love to see the the original director's cut of that movie.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Yeah, that'd be that'd be cool.

SPEAKER_06 14:07

Because I'm sure Forrest Whitaker had a lot more in that movie than what wound up in the film.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Yeah, yeah, that would be really cool to see. And um, yeah, I mean, the other stuff hasn't really been all that great. Their TV shows have actually been better than all the movies they did. I've heard, but I'm just not interested enough to watch the shows. Yeah. Going back to Sinners, though, they also I heard, you know, on forums, Reddit, and stuff like that, like, you know, people were discussing like a 1990s themed vampire movie because of how Sinners ends, right? Or Smoke and Stacks journey in Chicago, which wouldn't be a vampire movie at all. It wouldn't be a vampire movie at all. It'd be a gangster film, which would be cool. It would be cool, and but they couldn't track it to the original, which and then which is also in in the same way a prequel, it would connect to the main characters, but it wouldn't connect to the overarching theme of spirituality and the arts connecting with the underworld type stuff, you know?

SPEAKER_06 15:10

Yeah. Well, yeah, it it's it's like um even though the this was not a prequel, but looking at like pitch black, yeah, and then the chronicles of Riddick.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:22

Yeah, it's a continuation of Riddick's story, but you know, if you look at those movies, it's night and day, it's not the same and that's the problem with sequels. When you know you see alien, you want to see aliens. You don't want to see Sigourney Weaver go off and fight some whole other thing that's not the xenomorph.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:43

That's not a sequel to the movie you just watched in the same way that a prequel to Sinners without the vampires and the blues music.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Yeah, in theory, what they would be doing, and I'm not surprised, is they would be creating a universe, a cinematic universe for another franchise. And I think the viewers at this point probably know how we feel about more cinematic universes because that's the thing.

SPEAKER_06 16:08

I know, but those those get so boring. Yeah. You know, I'm all for new franchises if they make sense. I I don't think Sinners would make sense as a franchise.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

And at a s as a standalone movie, it's amazing. You could it's one of the the greatest movies of recent years, and you can throw it up there very easily. And I think that's why you know Ryan Kugler probably also wants to protect it because he knows that. He knows quality of work in that movie.

SPEAKER_06 16:40

Yeah. And and you know, once you have a hit, you know, the you know, you have to really be tight on those rights because you know the studio can make a sequel with or without you if that's true, if they if they have the right legal right to it, which I understand, and I could be wrong because I had read this almost a year ago now, it feels like. But um, the way I understand is Kugler holds all those rights.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Yeah, and I think we talked about this in you know, offline, just our discussions after we watched the movie, how monumental that deal was. Because it's not because it's not common.

SPEAKER_06 17:19

Especially in modern filmmaking, for for them to give a creator that much leeway, because everything is, you know, it's successful, it's an IP, and we gotta we gotta maximize it until people are sick of it.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

I mean, they really gave him everything for that movie. The creative freedom of that movie is yeah, just absurd, really.

SPEAKER_06 17:43

Yeah, but good for him. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I'm glad that movie was successful, but yeah, I just I just don't feel like we need a universe.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Yeah. No, I I agree. I agree. For those of you tuning in, we are up all night cinema. Your hosts, Adrian and Wade. Say hello, Wade. Hello, Wade. What else have you uh what what else have you been watching lately? I know you said you and Jen were watching a gang of movies the last few days.

SPEAKER_06 18:13

Yeah, so I'm you know, she's on vacation and I'm on uh Impromp or two vacation.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Hiatus.

SPEAKER_06 18:20

A little hiatus. And um, you know, some months ago Jen and I watched uh the series Mobland on Paramount Plus.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

What'd you think?

SPEAKER_06 18:32

Oh, I loved it, and she she really loved it. And you know, I kind of offer, hey, you know, I got some if you like British gangster movies, I got a bunch. And she's like, oh yeah, I'd be interested in that. So uh this weekend we watched a bunch of British gangster movies, and her opinions varied considerably in them. So on Saturday, I did a Bob Hoskins double feature. We watched uh Mona Lisa. Oh wow, and we watched The Long Good Friday.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Okay, that's a heavy, that's a heavy double feature, man. That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 19:08

That's a heavy double feature, and I think she liked them okay. She didn't love them, but she liked them okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

And Bob Hoskins is brilliant.

SPEAKER_06 19:16

Oh, he's so good in both of those movies, man.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Yeah, highly recommend if you haven't seen those to go take take a look at those.

SPEAKER_06 19:22

Those are great. And then on Sunday, we did like a marathon. Okay. So um we started with Layer Cake with uh Daniel Craig, and that one's a little bit more fast-paced, and there's a little bit more going on.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Yeah, I heard there's a rumored sequel for Layered Cake.

SPEAKER_06 19:43

I think there was a a second book with the guy who wrote the book to Layer Cake. There was a second book, so there's been a rumor for a long time that there was going to be another.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yeah, I think I recently read something about them in talks to you know to doing another one.

SPEAKER_06 19:58

But yeah, so Jen Jen really seemed to enjoy that one. Then we watched Sexy Beast with um uh Ben Kingsley and Ray Winstone, and she didn't really dig that one very much. Which, you know, every time I see that movie, I like it a little bit more, but she didn't really dig it. Then we watched this movie. I don't know if you've ever seen it, it was a blockbuster movie for me. It was called Perrier's Bounty. I haven't seen it, no. It's Killian Murphy, Jody Whitaker, Brandon Gleason, and Jim Broadbent. Oh wow. Yeah. It's it's a little Irish gangster movie, you know.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

I'll watch anything Brendan Gleason's in.

SPEAKER_06 20:39

He's great. He's the he's the little mob boss in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Yeah, he's one of my favorite actors.

SPEAKER_06 20:44

And Jen seemed to really like that one until Brendan Gleason killed two dogs. Yeah, that's gonna be the common set consensus for most people. For for most people, yeah. She doesn't want to see that. And you know, they didn't show it, it was insinuated.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:00

But you know, the dogs are barking, he points the gun down, he shoots, and then the dogs stop barking. So that was kind of a rough uh bit for her. But overall, I think she enjoyed that movie. And then we watched uh In Bruges.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

Oh, that's a classic.

SPEAKER_06 21:18

Was was the uh final film of the four, and um that one I think she actually did really enjoy. She was laughing quite a bit in that one.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:26

They have the scene where Colin Farrell's sitting on the park bench, and Brendan Gleason's been um told that he's supposed to kill Colin Farrell, so he comes up behind him with a silenced gun. And as he lifts the gun to his head, Colin Farrell pulls a gun and he's ready to blow his own head off. So they start yelling at each other, and Colin Farrell's like, What are you doing? And he like hides the gun like a child. He's like, Oh, nothing. And Jen laughed out loud at that.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yeah, that's a great movie. I think it's not talked about enough. It's it's it's one of those that kind of Flies under the radar for both Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleason.

SPEAKER_06 22:04

I feel like when it came out for a good two to five years after it came out, it was a very popular discussed movie, but now it's kind of disappeared a bit from popular consciousness. But yeah, that's a that's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Yeah, I really enjoyed watching that movie.

SPEAKER_06 22:22

Um Martin McDonough movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Yeah, I felt like that was a real popular recommendation for me at Blockbuster as well. Because that came out in 2008, so it was a year after I got there. And I think I recommended that to a lot of people if they didn't mind the heavy accents. That's what I always kind of prefaced.

SPEAKER_06 22:43

I didn't even think they were that heavy in that one.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

But yeah, people have a hard time with the British gangster accents. Exactly. Generally, people don't want to have the patience to listen sometimes, or it's just difficult because they're not used to hearing it. But also, like the second part of that is typically with some of like there's some movies with heavy accents or like movies or shows where like Irish or Scottish accents are really thick. I usually just turn on the subtitles, and that's like a big no-no for all the people who are having trouble with the language in the first place and don't like it. The last thing they want to do is turn on subtitles to read.

SPEAKER_06 23:22

Yeah. Um, yeah, I do try to watch the British movies without the subtitles, and usually I'm successful. Yeah, I do too. Every once in a while, though, it happens. I can't think of the last time I had to do that. But I've definitely done that in the past. But I had a good time. Yeah. Those those were fun. I hadn't seen those movies in a while.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

You know, as I was going through my 4K collection, and it was part of what helped me figure out my last topic. And then I I located some movies in there that I kind of had forgotten about. Yeah, that's always fun. Yeah. And there's one in particular that I need to watch again just because of how cool it looks. And I know you weren't a big fan of it, so I want to kind of talk about it a little bit and and and and maybe get a little bit more of as to why you weren't, but it's Alita Battle Angel.

SPEAKER_06 24:16

Uh no, I never I never watched Alita Battle Angel. Oh, really? I don't know. You mistook me for somebody else on that one.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:25

Uh yeah, I just didn't um watch that only because of I I felt the CG lead actress didn't look great.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Okay. Yeah. And you know, I think uh it's one of your favorite directors.

SPEAKER_06 24:39

Yeah, it's Rodriguez directed it, James Cameron produced it. It's got a great cast on it, right? It's Christoph Waltz, and I think Mahersha Ali plays the villain, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Yeah, he's great. And also Jennifer Connolly.

SPEAKER_06 24:52

Jennifer Connolly, that's always a good time for me, too. Yeah, it just the I have I was told it was great.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

I really enjoyed it. It it wasn't well reviewed, received. It got like a 50 to 60% kind of like metacritic score overall with like various agencies and stuff, but I really enjoyed it and it looks beautiful, I think.

SPEAKER_06 25:14

I think the other thing that kind of kept me away is because we knew going in that this was part one of two, and two hadn't been made yet.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

No, and the way the movie ends is like they definitely need a two.

SPEAKER_06 25:28

Yeah, and I was just like, I don't think this movie's gonna do very well. I I was a little annoyed with Dune when it came out for that same reason.

SPEAKER_03 25:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:38

But I had a lot of confidence that they were gonna uh do a second one, and truth be told, it was so popular the first week or maybe even two weeks, Dune was that they um greenlit the second part, and that's actually when I did go see Dune, because I didn't want to, you know, go see it and then only see half the movie. But knowing that the second one was coming and it was a sure thing, I was a little bit more ready to do it. So I think had Battle Angel done better, they would have greenlit the second one, and I probably would have at least watched it. But that was that period of time where I felt like everything was over CGI and they were specifically trying to make franchises.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Yes, that's correct. And you know, that was 2019, yeah, and it was really it was really like post-Avatar, you know?

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Uh because Avatar kind of redefined that space of what CGI could do.

SPEAKER_06 26:44

Well, if if Alita would have looked like, and you know I'm not a fan of Avatar, but if Alita, the character, would have looked as good as the blue aliens in Avatar, I probably would have seen Alita also. Yes. But I did not feel like the CG just on the previews I saw worked.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

I think they work for the movie, but you're right, and I'm surprised they didn't give her a better look. I agree that they could have probably honestly they they should have made her look more like the voice character for her, and I think they would have been better off doing that. Because she's really pretty.

SPEAKER_06 27:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Well, I and you know Rosa Salazar, she's really pretty.

SPEAKER_06 27:30

I feel like the reason why it was probably a budget constraint, because it's not James Cameron directing the movie, it was Rodriguez.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:39

And Rodriguez doesn't spend a lot of m money on his movies.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

No, and he's also not known for incredible amounts of CGI either.

SPEAKER_06 27:49

Yeah, but and I don't think his movies are intensely profitable either. I think he makes small budget movies, he makes them gritty, he makes them fast, he makes them independently. And I think usually they turn a profit, but I think that's because of how little he spends.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Yeah, there is a lot of Robert Rodriguez in this movie, though. It is intense, it is fast-paced at times, and it is very gritty.

unknown 28:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

And I think those are all the reasons why I really loved it, because the fight sequences, you could totally see his imprint on some of the fight sequences and just the grittiness of the film at different capacities.

SPEAKER_06 28:28

Yeah. I love Robert Rodriguez. Uh what was the is this the last thing he did? Possibly. That's a good question. I think it might be. And I think there was a good chunk of time between that and the last thing he had done as well.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think it it may be one of the last things he did. Yeah, that's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_06 28:47

Yeah. He he should be one of those directors that you know they just keep letting make movies. There are people like Ridley Scott, who they keep letting that guy make movies, and they're typically you might get one really good one out of six.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:05

There's a reappraisal for the movie The Counselor. You know, at the time I heard that movie was terrible. I never saw it, didn't look very good. And I've heard that the critical reaction to that movie was incorrect. That's actually pretty good. My brother kept telling me how great House of Gucci was.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

I liked House of Gucci.

SPEAKER_06 29:25

I can't in a million years imagine a scenario in which I would actually sit down to watch that, though.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah, yeah. It's okay, this is gonna be a hot take. Hot take. But do you want to know what the best part of House of Gucci is? Um was it Adam Driver? It was Jared Leto.

SPEAKER_06 29:45

And I've heard opposite of that. Really? That's usually the first thing when I hear somebody mock that movie online somewhere. That's usually the first thing they rip on.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

I loved Jared Leto in that movie. I don't know his character. I mean, it because it's not Jared Leto playing his typical lifeless, soulless role, you know? Um, I really enjoyed Jared Leto in that movie. That's why I called it a hot take because I know it's controversial to a lot of people's opinions.

SPEAKER_06 30:18

Well, you know what I always say about Jared Leto.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

I think you say that they need to cast him in basically as the lead role in every motion picture film.

SPEAKER_06 30:27

Oh, yeah, you can say that. No, man. You know what I say about Jared Leto. Come on, what do I say about Jared Leto? You tell the audience, it's your words. He's too fucking blonde. That's the best part he's ever done is Fight Club, man. You know, all he does in that movie really is get his ass kicked one time, like really badly. Yeah, really badly. Stand on the porch, and then uh one point when um Edward Norton goes to look at something, he puts his hand on it, he's like, Oh no, you can't look at that. You know, that's really all he does in that movie, and he sells it. He's great.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:06

And I think that's the secret is Jared Leto needs as few scenes as possible. And Blade Runner 2049 really tried, but those scenes were a little too long. They need to be like 15 to 20 seconds of Jared Leto. That's the yeah, that's the sweet spot where he can get in, deliver, and get out.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Yeah, and we talked about that in episode one because Blade Runner 2049 is my top film of the 21st century for myself, and we would have liked to see a different actor in that role, but I think I agree with you that if they would have just cut down his screen time, it could have been acceptable.

SPEAKER_06 31:45

Yeah. Yeah. Rewritten his dialogue. I don't understand, you know, like I still don't understand what the fuck he's talking about in the scene where they kill the newborn. You know, most of what he says is just gobbledygook.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

I I I think it's very existential. They wanted to make it ethereal, you know, and and get it.

SPEAKER_06 32:06

Just comes off a little pretentious in that scene.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Well, it is pretentious because he's the leader in theory of the free world, right? Or the Yeah, or of the new world. He's he's the one who controls it. Yeah. And part of that too, it was really interesting for them not to use him really anymore in the rest of the movie.

SPEAKER_06 32:27

Honestly, yeah, because they really did focus on love as the main villain, which I appreciated because I thought she was great. I loved her character, I loved her arc, I like the actress playing her.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_06 32:41

Yeah. Alright, so it's about that time, I think, sir.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

It is about that time. It is about that time. And I want you to know, Wade, that you got a friend in me.

SPEAKER_06 32:55

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

All right.

SPEAKER_06 32:57

Are are are we talking Pixar movies or are we talking Randy Newman scores?

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Hey, those are both great topics.

SPEAKER_06 33:08

Every time I think of Randy Newman, I think about the Family Guy joke. Did you ever see the Family Guy joke about Randy Newman?

SPEAKER_01 33:14

Yes, I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 33:16

So good. So on point.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Yeah, that has to be one of my favorite jokes, but I I I I'm just so partial to the grinds my gear. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, but the Randy Newman joke is really good too. The Randy Newman joke's pretty good. Yeah. But no, so the topic for today is gonna be your favorite, your top five favorite animated movies.

SPEAKER_06 33:41

Okay. I was gonna say if it's Pixar, we're gonna have a lot of overlap because I like a lot of early Pixar movies and not so much later Pixar movies. But if it's animated films in general, I'm down.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Yeah. I thought about doing like specifically Disney or specifically Pixar, but when I was going through stuff, I I came across some movies that old and new that I just thoroughly enjoyed so much that I had to expand it. And I think it makes for better conversation expanding it because there's a lot of studios that make really good animated movies.

SPEAKER_06 34:15

Oh, yeah. There's a lot of cool animated movies out there now.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 34:18

Yeah. There's some that I would really like to catch, but I'm I'm not gonna mention them till the end, maybe, because I don't want to step on something that you may have on your list.

SPEAKER_01 34:27

Yeah, yeah. And um, so I'll start and Yeah. Let me think about it for a minute. Yeah, the first one for me, you know, I kept thinking of all these lovely old animated movies. There's it seems like an infinite amount that you can grab from. And for me, this list was like really difficult because they are literally are so many good ones. And so many of the animated movies from Pixar in Disney, a lot from Pixar in the last, I think in the 21st century, are some of the best movies. Yeah, I get that. I chose this movie as my number one just because I love it to death. I love the story and everything about it. The animation is unique and it's I think it stands alone in animation, to be honest with you, and it's uh into the Spider-Ver.

SPEAKER_06 35:21

Okay. So yeah, I think we've talked about this. I didn't dig the ADHD thing of that movie. Like I felt like I was on speed watching that.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

And I felt like that too, but what they did with that movie from an animation perspective is just simply brilliant. I've never seen anything like that movie before. I think it's very artsy, it is very colorful. It I went opening day and saw it in the Dolby Theater, and I was kind of just like star starstruck watching that movie because it was so overwhelming.

SPEAKER_06 35:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

But it was also so good. It was well written, well casted.

SPEAKER_06 35:58

I I will agree with both of those. Some of the plot twists of who the characters were in alternate universes were great.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Yeah, and the I mean, I love the alternate Spider-Man that was amazing, or Spider Women for that matter. Um I was particularly fond of Nicolas Cage's Spider-Nore, and I'm so happy that they're making a spin-off of that. Yeah. But um the music was fantastic, and um, yeah, I I I love everything about that movie. That that's been and I think I've I've mentioned it quite a bit, like how m how awesome I think that movie is. I think it I watch it probably once a year just because of how much I love it, honestly, and it looks fantastic and it sounds fantastic, and for me that's a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

Um, but I think all around that's just uh in my opinion, it's a perfect movie.

SPEAKER_06 36:51

Okay. Yeah. I I I I was not a huge fan. I wanted to be a huge fan, I just didn't dig it. But everyone loves it. And far be it from me to argue with everybody. Actually, that's not true. I'll argue with everybody about anything, but yeah, it just wasn't for me, man.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Yeah, I get that. And I knew it wasn't for you, but I couldn't not put it on my list personally.

SPEAKER_06 37:21

And that's fair, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:23

Uh for me, what I'm gonna put number one, and I've already got some really cool ideas. I'm still it's still percolating. But when I think of animated films, the first one that really pops into my head is up. It's it's the first thing I think of. That is a beautiful movie.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:45

That that was at the height of Pixar's popularity and artistry. And man, that first fucking 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

That's a gut wrencher, the first 10 minutes of the movie.

SPEAKER_06 37:57

10, 15 minutes, whatever that is.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

Yeah, I didn't know I could cry that quickly in an animated movie.

SPEAKER_06 38:03

Yeah, and the first time I saw that was at a drive-in movie theater with with terrible, terrible experience. They have a fucking freight train that goes by every 30 minutes or less.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:15

And I was still so engaged in that movie the whole time. It's it's such a fun movie. It's so sad. You know, first the relationship with him and his wife, yeah, and and then him, and I'm forgetting the kid's name, who the the Boy Scout. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Russell.

SPEAKER_06 38:37

Russell. Like that whole storyline. It's great. I mean, it's unbelievable. I mean, you know, the whole balloons thing, but man, it's so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

There's so many layers to that movie, so many emotions that that movie pulls out of you. It really is an adventure movie. It's it's really brilliant. That's actually that was actually number two on my list.

SPEAKER_06 39:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 39:01

Yeah. I I I took it.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

That's okay. That's okay. I I forgive you. I forgive you.

SPEAKER_06 39:07

So, yeah, now I guess you gotta go to your number three there.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

Mm-hmm. That's okay. I got a few extras. Just because I knew this might happen, you know. But the next one on my list is Coco.

SPEAKER_06 39:21

Okay, yeah, no, I've never I never did see Coco. I was told one time I was racist for never having seen it. You know, I'm sure he was joking when he said that.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

But yeah, that's pretty funny actually. I love Coco, man. It is a very heavily themed, you know, Hispanic, traditionally Mexican, I would say, movie of uh with a heavy theme of like Dio de los Dia de los Muertos, which is the remembrance day for loved ones and people close to you that have passed on.

SPEAKER_06 39:55

Which I I think is a really cool tradition.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Oh yeah, it's a great tradition.

SPEAKER_06 40:00

And I love the artistry of that whole tradition, you know, the the the skulls and the uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:08

I when I think of I when I think of Coco, I also have to think of James Bond. Oh yeah, you know you know exactly what scene I'm referring to, right?

SPEAKER_06 40:15

Oh yeah, the beginning of Spectre, which is like the only good scene in that whole fucking movie. But um I was told that the they don't really have parades like that in Mexico City. They they do now. But that was really just a concept they created for Spectre.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

Hmm, interesting.

SPEAKER_06 40:36

I don't know how true that is, but that's something I've heard.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

I'm not sure. I I think there's I know of you know families and it being more personal where they set up ofrenda is what they're called, or small monuments to remember their loved ones, like you see in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

I'm not sure how widely accepted the larger celebrations are, but uh essentially like the premise of the movie is Miguel, who's the little boy, okay, is in this family that despises music. They despise music because uh of something that happened within the family, and they're all like essentially uh shoemakers and uh they forbid music to ever be uh used within the family. And uh Miguel is uh a savant, he gravitates to music, he has a secret lair up in the attic where he plays his music, and uh he admires this uh musician in the film, and uh it takes him on this long journey of traveling into the afterlife to find his real family because he's told that this grand musician is actually his relative, and so this whole story unfolds this brilliant adventure of him traveling into the underworld or the afterlife to be reunited with his long-lost family to authenticate or to approve that music should be in the family. And I don't want to ruin it for you because I really recommend you should watch it, but there's a lot of also heavy themes in the movie. There's some things of like betrayal and violence and other aspects that you don't expect to come up in the film, and um it makes for like a very emotional piece of work. It reminds me in a lot of ways, kind of like Up. Uh first context.

SPEAKER_06 42:43

It is a Pixar movie, correct?

SPEAKER_01 42:45

Um I want to say it's a it's Disney, I think.

SPEAKER_06 42:50

Specifically Disney, not Disney Pixar. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

Oh no, it is it is it is a Pixar movie, but it was re it was re-released, sorry, by by by Disney.

SPEAKER_06 43:00

Yeah, I I feel like yeah, they're the distribute. I feel like yeah, but I feel like Pixar um is a lot better with especially in later years, they're better with the uh creativity and the emotion.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I still think they do a good job at making sure that people know that it's a Pixar movie.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

But yeah, I mean it's Disney, but I think Pixar has kind of always led the helm with dawn of the 21st century with animated movies. They're kind of they're kind of the standard.

SPEAKER_06 43:34

Yeah. Uh I feel like DreamWorks uh did a good job for a while.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

They did. I mean, they have How to Train Your Dragon.

SPEAKER_06 43:43

Yeah, Shrek is another one.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Shrek is a classic.

SPEAKER_06 43:46

I I really enjoy the first Shrek. I didn't really dig the second one, I didn't see the others. But the first Shrek was great. And I think they also did Rango, did they not? Yeah. No Rango, that's I know that's gonna be on your list. I'm just gonna go ahead and put Rango second. I love Rango.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

And we've talked about this a lot off off air.

SPEAKER_06 44:10

It is such an intelligent movie. I loved that the guy literally filmed the movie in a sound stage with the actors all in the room together and wearing the clothes of the characters. That's fucking ridiculous. Completely unnecessary.

SPEAKER_07 44:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:29

But you know, that movie does have a magic to it. Mm-hmm. Because it is such a Western.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Yeah, it really is. And that's honestly probably my favorite aspect of the movie. I'm a huge Western fan. You know that.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Um, but that was really, really for me, like, oh, this is cool because this is not something you see regularly in animated movies.

SPEAKER_06 44:51

No. And they got the whole sequence, like towards the uh end of the second act, where Rango gets lost in the the desert.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 45:01

And the ghost, I forget what they refer to him as, but the ghost of Clint Eastwood from the Good, the Bad, the Ugly shows up in a fucking golf cart, you know. And it's uh Timothy Oliphant doing the voice, and that whole business is hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Yeah. Timothy Oliphant's one of those guys that, you know, he's had a few main lead roles. Yeah. But he he's one of the better side character actors that there is.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

No, I'm so he's so good. He's so good. And what I've seen from him in Alien Earth, he's fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 45:40

Oh, he's great on Alien Earth.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:43

The the first time I saw Rango, and I think I mentioned, you know, that Rango is one of the three or four movies that I had constantly in rotation at Blockbuster when I was running a shift. I would always have that or Enchanted or Penelope on. But uh the first time I saw Rango was uh when we got it on on Blu-ray, and Darren had put it on on the big Blu-ray TV to advertise it. And I remember I'm kind of watching it between guests, and they had the bit where he meets the mare.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:20

And I just started cracking up immediately. And Darren was like, you know, I love Darren, but I don't think uh Darren was as well versed in classic film as I was. So he was like, I don't get what you're laughing at. It's just a it's just a turtle. I was like, no, it's fucking John Houston from Chinatown. They're already been talking about how there's no water in this town, and now I got fucking this 80-year-old tortoise who's running shit and he's dressed like John Houston from Chinatown. This is genius. This this movie was made for guys like me. It's a cinephile movie.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

Yeah, it it really is an animated nod to cinema history in a lot of ways.

SPEAKER_06 47:07

Yeah, it really is. And some of the lines, you know, I I forget what happens in the movie, but they were Rango's leading the townspeople and they're trying to figure something out, and then they come across this whole other aspect of the story that nobody was expecting. And one of the characters, like, what's this got to do with anything? Who cares? We're doing this, and somebody else is like, You don't understand. We are experiencing a paradigm shift, you know? They they're like literally spelling out what's going on in the plot, and the way they do it is so like who uses that word paradigm? Just a genius movie. It's so well written, it's probably the best movie. I always say that uh Johnny Depp hasn't made a good movie since Finding Neverland in like 2003 or whatever. But uh Rango is honestly one of his best movies.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Yeah, yeah, Rango's great. Yeah, that's a good choice, man. I knew it was gonna be on your list, though.

SPEAKER_06 48:08

Yeah. You didn't have it as number three, did you?

SPEAKER_01 48:11

No, I did not. I actually had uh the 1940 Pinocchio as my next one.

SPEAKER_06 48:18

The 1940 Pinocchio? Yeah. You and you and Richard Dreyfus in Close Encounters of the Third Guind have uh 1940s Pinocchio on their list. I mean, dude, it's a classic. It's a classic. They turn into donkeys at one point.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

I just think um I mean, you know what really blows my mind about that movie? That it was made in the 1940s.

SPEAKER_06 48:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

That to me, you know, before computers, before all this stuff, is like they were hand-drawing all of this.

SPEAKER_06 48:49

Oh, and it looks it looks gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

It looks amazing.

SPEAKER_06 48:53

And you know, all that hand-drawn animation back in the day was great.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

Yeah, and just the story of you know, Geppetto and Pinocchio and you know, Jiminy Cricket, like it's such a beautiful story to tell. And there's so many like life lessons that you can seriously contemplate in Pinocchio, you know, the desire to want to have something real and beloved and to be honorable and have ethics. And there there's just so many layers to that movie, you know. And it also, but also like, you know, when Pinocchio gets into trouble, you see the the worst of society as well in the other aspects of the film. And so it I think it's very it's much deeper than just an animated movie. And I think that a lot of the times movies are that way.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Especially animated movies. They always carry that very serious if it's a good animated movie, they always carry that serious underlying theme that they're trying to get across to the viewers. And maybe they do that because adults are going to be watching the movie, but I mean ultimately a good animated movie will strike you right in the heart, as it should.

SPEAKER_06 50:02

As it should. I agree. Animated movies, by and large, are targeted at children. Um, I know my my uncle gets so mad at adult animation because he's like, How fucking old are you? You're watching a cartoon, but there are so many great examples of adult animated movies.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Oh yeah, we don't even I mean, this list can be very expanded. We can include all the the Batman movies and the Superman movies. We can include the you know the animated Marvel stuff. I mean, there's there's a whole lot of stuff we can include.

SPEAKER_06 50:36

Yeah, well, there was a there there was a guy in the 70s, uh 70s and 80s, his name was Ralph Bakshee.

SPEAKER_03 50:43

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 50:44

And he did the original version of Lord of the Rings. Oh. And I I was considering putting it on my list, but I don't think I'm going to. I'm not sure. But he used to literally film people on set and then he would animate over them. Wow. And his movies look great. Like if you look up I didn't even know that was a thing, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 51:07

You're blowing my mind right now.

SPEAKER_06 51:08

Yeah. He he his movies were not always great, but they look beautiful. Uh he did one called Wizards, was which was really good. Wizards was a classic. I want to say he had some part in heavy metal, but I could be wrong. But his his movies always looked beautiful, and they were they were very targeted at an adult audience. So your or third choice was 1940s Pinocchio, correct?

SPEAKER_01 51:41

Correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:42

I'm gonna go out on a limb.

SPEAKER_01 51:44

And I think for a lot of people, Rango is a limb. So let's hear the second limb.

SPEAKER_06 51:51

My second limb.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

Uh-huh. The second limb. Your third choice.

SPEAKER_06 51:55

I'm gonna go with 2022's Pinocchio, Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. Okay, okay. You know, I I bought it on Criterion Blu-ray recently. I haven't watched it again. I only saw it once when it came out. But the animation in that movie was beautiful. It really was. I love the darker, more adult story. You know, how he keeps dying and then going and meeting the angel of death who keeps giving him more life. And people kind of hated it though. You know, I thought it was beautiful, man.

SPEAKER_07 52:32

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 52:32

And this is a limb because I feel like there are better movies I could be putting on the list, but uh, you know, the one time I watched it was great, and I really want to watch it again.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

Oh, you know, I'm sorry. No, I think I think Garamel del Toro's was actually really well received.

SPEAKER_06 52:49

Oh, well, it was it should have been.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

It was it was a beautiful movie. Yeah, the one I'm thinking of that also released in 2022 was Robert Zemekus' Pinocchio.

SPEAKER_06 53:00

Yeah, the one with Tom Hanks?

SPEAKER_01 53:02

Yes, yes. That one, that one did terrible. Yeah, I forgot that there were two that year that came out.

SPEAKER_06 53:09

Robert Zemeckis is one of those weird directors who had so much promise at the beginning of his career. You know, he did movies like um Used Cars with Kurt Russell, which was like a R-rated adult comedy satire about consumerism. And then at some point we got to Back to the Future, which was a huge effects-heavy blockbuster series.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:37

And then he just started focusing really on technology. So then we got shitty animated movies like Beowulf and the uh Christmas Carol with Jim Carrey that I don't know anybody who's ever sat through that movie.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

Yeah. Um, going back to Guillermo's Pinocchio, I mean, like you said, it's a beautiful movie, but like the cast is phenomenal.

SPEAKER_06 54:02

Yeah, there was uh Christoph Waltz, I remember, played Geppetto. Um, I wanna say Kate Blanchette played the Angel of Death, correct? Yeah. Christoph Waltz played Geppetto? Not Geppetto, he wasn't Geppetto, he was the guy who kidnapped Pinocchio.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Yeah, he was Count Bolt.

SPEAKER_06 54:22

Yeah. Yeah. Who played Geppetto?

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Geppetto was uh it's an older gentleman.

SPEAKER_06 54:27

Um I mean, Christoph Waltz is an older gentleman too.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

No, but this guy's much older. Uh shoot, the name's on my like the top of my tongue. Oh, it's um uh David Bradley.

SPEAKER_06 54:40

Oh, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:42

Uh Ewan McGregor, Ron Perlman. Ron Perlman's always in his movies. Tim Blake Nelson. Yeah, uh I'm gonna have to go with uh Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio, even though that's gonna kind of screw a lot of other cool things on my list.

SPEAKER_01 54:57

Uh that's okay. I think for this episode, I think we're probably gonna have a lot of honorable mentions. Yeah, I think I think we're gonna have to. I I think it's really hard to leave some of the other movies without discussion. There's just too many.

SPEAKER_06 55:12

Yeah, there's too many, and there's a lot of good ones. And and there's ones that I would really love to see. Um, I've gotten the bug recently because I'm not a big fan of uh anime, but um I keep being being told that uh the Satoshi Cohn movies are great. You know, it's like uh Paprika and um Perfect Blue, and I think it's called Tokyo Godfathers. The man only made like three movies, and supposedly they're all perfect films. And yeah, those are movies that I would really like to sit down and watch when I have time. So what what do you have for your number four then there, boss? What you got? It's so hard.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

It really is, because I I I keep thinking of ones as I come across them.

SPEAKER_06 56:03

Yeah, yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

Um, this one is from the great John Lassiter, which is hard because he's done so many animated movies.

SPEAKER_06 56:13

He has. I'm trying to remember, but you know, because you know, all those Pixar movies get like mixed up. I can never tell you who directed which ones.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 56:21

So I'm not sure what Lassiter directed, like beside maybe the first Toy Story.

SPEAKER_01 56:26

Um uh he did I think most of the Toy Stories, if not all of them. No, he did the first two. First two he did. First two. Um got it. He did a Bug's Life, which yeah. Uh, but my next one, my number four is gonna be cars. And see, that's one I never got into either. What? Oh man, all they're all fantastic, but uh I think the first cars, you know, has a special place for me. One because I I'm a huge car guy. I love everything about cars. I've loved, you know, automobiles since I was a kid. Um, I work on my own car, but cars, you know, lightning me queen and the story of this larger-than-life character that loses all his mojo and has to find it again in this small little town called Radiator Springs, where he finds what it means to be alive again is just a brilliant story. And it's also very partial because when my nephew was born, we watched this movie religiously. Um, and so it holds a very, very dear and special place to my heart because he loved the movie. We we when he was younger, he was huge into Hot Wheels, and he can name every car on the road based on the logo. It it was a whole I mean, I loved the movie when I first saw it back in the day, but it holds a much greater meaning uh because of the moments I've been able to share with Aaron, my oldest nephew. He's eight now. But, you know, and this is like when he was born, it's 2017, maybe around 2018, 10 years later from when this like 12, 13 years later, actually, from when this movie was released, I just fell in love with it all over again. And um, yeah, so Cars is my number four.

SPEAKER_06 58:19

So here's why I have a problem with it. You know, I understand that with animation there's like a suspension of disbelief, just like there would be in a sci-fi movie or a horror movie. But who the fuck made all these cars?

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_06 58:39

That that's why I have a hard time with it. You know, when they start advertising, I'm like, wait a minute, there are no humans in this world? No, it's just a bunch of cars, and the audience is just full of cars, and they have to get oil changes and all this stuff. Like, I'm just like, because they go into that kind of stuff, you know, flat tires and bullshit like that.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

And I'm just like, eh, yeah, but Luigi and Guido do all the oil changes in the car maintenance. Okay, but they're cars, yeah. They're awesome little Italian fiats that talk like Italians.

SPEAKER_06 59:13

Yeah, yeah, it's just too much for me. Paul Paul Newman's in it. I mean, come on. Isn't that his last movie too?

SPEAKER_01 59:21

I believe so, yeah. That might be accurate on that.

SPEAKER_06 59:26

For sure, you know. Yeah. Not for me, man. But why we're on the subject of outlandish crazy movies.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_06 59:36

I'm gonna pick for my fourth movie this weird French acid trip of a movie from the 70s.

SPEAKER_01 59:44

I was waiting for you to throw one of those in there, and I think by now the audience is kind of waiting for one of those in there.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

What's the weird one? Yeah, I always got a weird one.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Yeah, yeah. I think I think uh we're on like what feels episode 200, you know? Yeah, oh yeah, I know. But by now the audience should know that wade's the guy you go to if you want to watch some weird shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:05

Yeah, I got some weird shit. So the movie I'm referring to, and I have this movie on Criterion Blu-ray. Jen got it for me for Christmas one year.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Uh and it it's it's funny that animated movies and weird shit is in the same sentence, but here we go.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:19

But it's true. Like we were, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

It's true because animated movies are everywhere, especially when you mentioned earlier the anime stuff. Like, there's some crazy shit in the anime world when it comes to movies.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:31

I always thought that it'd be cheaper to do animation, so it was easier to do crazy like sci-fi movies like uh Akira. You know, things like that. Uh in my mind, it's cheaper, but then you know, these movies cost two to three hundred million dollars, and I'm like, Yeah, fuck.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:51

But uh the movie I'm referring to from the 70s, it's a weird little French movie. It's called Fantastic Planet. Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

You seen it? No, but when I was kind of doing my, you know, my research and thing, Fantastic Planet kept coming up, and I was like, what the hell is Fantastic Planet? And so I've kind of I've kind of elevated it now on my list to what I want to watch.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:16

It is a trip. It is about this alien race that keeps humans as pets, and the humans are, you know, like the size of a figurine, like they're tiny compared to these monsters. And it's it's all about you know, a revolt, like the the humans finally start banding together and revolt against the aliens, and the aliens have to start considering whether the humans, which they've always seen as you know, not no better than just pets for their kids, are actually an intelligent species that deserves its own space. And it it's a great movie. The animation is fantastic. Like when I think of what animation can do and the kind of stories that can be told in animation, the kind of the kind of scope and vision, I think a Fantastic Planet. And yeah, most of it is wordless, like there's very little dialogue in that movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:23

That's a fantastic movie, man. I I highly recommend that to um any anybody who's interested in art, film, art in general, yeah. Great animation, science fiction fans.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:38

It it checks a lot of boxes.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:40

Yeah, no, I I I agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:43

Did did you while looking up your choices for tonight and coming across Fantastic Plant, did you look at any stills from the movie, any pictures?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

I've only seen like the posters. Um I didn't I didn't really want to like everything I saw people talk about it was just rave reviews, so I didn't want to like ruin anything for me. I I really kind of like put that much higher now, and I I it's probab it will probably be something I watch probably within the next week or two.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:12

Yeah. If you if you do, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:17

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm excited. It really like it came up all the time in people's best animated movies things.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:25

Yeah. And I don't think it's very long. I think it's like 73 to 80 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:30

Yeah, it's not bad at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:32

It's a very short movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:34

Yeah, it's an hour and 12 minutes long.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:36

Hour and 12 minutes. That's nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:39

Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:40

All right. So that was that was my number four. What have you got for number five?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:45

This is so tough.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:46

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

I think of so many great flicks. It's like for me, I'm like, oh yeah, like how do I leave Toy Story or you know, these other movies off the list. The one that I didn't put on because I already talked about it in another episode was WALLE. That would have been my number one.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:04

Wally is a great movie too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:07

That would have been Monsters Inc. is another great movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

Yeah. Um, but for me, I think I have to go with the Iron Giant.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:14

The Iron Giant was one I thought about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

Yeah. Uh to me, that's uh a classic, a classic movie. Um story of a misunderstood machine that just wants a place in the world. Yeah, I think the Iron Giant is one of those movies that I don't know, I think it's timeless, really.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:36

It really is. I think it's set in the Cold War, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:39

It is. I I believe it's actually um an animated adaptation of of uh either a book or something else, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Which I mean it it makes sense because it takes place right around that time as well. Yeah. And you know, just this it's the story of an unlikely bond that takes place and the fight to legitimize this friendship. And I think it's a very human story, uh, especially with what's going on in the world. I think nowadays, you know, and this was why I feel it's timeless, because it's a story I think that a lot of us can relate to.

unknown 1:05:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

It's you know, friendship and kindness and yeah, but also the despair and the evil of something unknown or something that's foreign to us, and the human nature or the natural instinct in a lot of people is to go against it, you know, or to want to destroy it. And I don't understand how that could ever be the plausible solution.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:46

Yeah, but that's that's always humanity's first thought. Destroy it and then investigate it afterwards.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:55

Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:56

Yeah, that comes that comes up time and again. You know, we talk about arrivals. Once in a while.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:01

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:02

You know, that whole movie is about, you know, she's trying to find a way to communicate with them, and most everybody else is trying to assess the threat and whether they should just preemptively destroy it.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:15

Yeah. It's a very heartfelt movie, but I think too, you when I think of the Iron Giant, I think of like series or other cinematic ideas such as like Godzilla or King Kong or these other larger-than-life personas that the story transcends in similar ways with them being considered enemies when in reality they could be the greatest ally that humanity has against foes that are not yet understood yet. Which is not necessarily the same in Iron Giant, right? But the same context of like something larger than life that you mentioned, like humans want to destroy and then understand as opposed to understanding first and then seeing how it can benefit society.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:59

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

Very, very strong and deep movie. Love it.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:04

Yeah.

unknown 1:07:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:04

I need to watch that movie again. That's one that comes up a lot. Vin Diesel.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

Yeah. Yeah. As the as the giant.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:11

Yeah, that was one of the first times we were aware of him, really.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

Ironically, his arguably other best role is Groot in Guardians of the Galaxy.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:22

Yeah. I know what his most popular stuff is.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:25

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:26

And I think I know what his favorite is.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Hmm. What do you think his favorite is?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:32

I think his favorite is Riddick.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:34

Yeah, yeah. He seemed to really enjoy that.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:38

He's always pushing for another movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

Oh yeah, yeah. I I think I think he I think that did a lot for his career though, Riddick.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:47

Pitch Black is a great movie. I really enjoy the Chronicles of Riddick. I've never actually seen Riddick the third movie. But I I know he's always constantly pushing for a fourth movie in that series. And I think the third one only ever came out because of the popularity he attained in um Guardians of the Galaxy and Fast and the Furious.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:12

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:13

And his desire to want another one.

unknown 1:08:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:15

Did you ever see Find Me Guilty?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:17

No, that was the one where he was wearing the toop, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:22

Yeah. That toop, that toop kind of made me think the movie was going to be kind of silly.

unknown 1:08:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:27

But it's on Tubi. That's right. It's a Sydney Lumet movie, correct? I believe so. Like a huge well-known director.

unknown 1:08:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:37

It's Sydney Lumet.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:38

Yeah, it is. It is Sydney Lumet.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:40

Yeah. Yeah. That makes it worth a watch right there, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:44

Yeah, I actually really enjoyed it. So that's why that's why I bring it up, because like you mentioned, it for those of you who don't know Lemette, I mean he's he's done some classics. What? Dog Day Afternoon.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:00

The verdict with Paul Newman, I believe, is Sidney Lumet.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:03

Mm-hmm. Uh 12 Angry Men. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:07

12 Angry Men's a great movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

Um there's a lot. There that's those are just a a couple.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:13

Yeah. Uh Dog Day Afternoon is one of my favorites. I love Dog Day Afternoon.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:19

Um what what else did he do? He did a few man. Uh Stirpico.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:25

Yes. Uh he did the verdict.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:27

Yes. Uh oh, before the devil know knows you're dead.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:32

That was a great movie, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

That was probably one of his more recent ones.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:36

I think that was his last one.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:38

Yeah, because he um he passed in I think like 2010 or 2012 or something like that. Yeah. I I So it might have been his it might have been his last movie. You're probably right.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:51

Probably pretty sure. Yeah. I don't know. Like he's one of those great, like uh 70s directors.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:59

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:59

But yeah, I'm not overly familiar with a lot of his work. But you know, Dog Day Afternoon and Serpico and some of those real gritty 70s movies.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:11

And of course, you know, Devil Knows You Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, that's that's a wild movie. I just re-watched that on Criterion Channel somehow.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:20

Oh, did you?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:22

Yeah. Ethan Hawk is great in that movie. Marissa Tomei was great in that movie. When is when is Ethan Hawk not good? Um the movie might suck, but he's always good. I mean, he he's always good. He always brings it. I have a lot of respect for Ethan Hawk.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:37

Like I I do too.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:39

He would be a guy like if they said you could have dinner with anybody, I'd want to chat with Ethan Hawk.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:45

Yeah. I think you said that about a few people.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:48

Well, yeah. I feel like I could chat with Ethan Hawk, though. Like I think that he and I could have a like serious dialogue.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:57

No, I think I think you're probably right on that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:59

Yeah. So for my my fifth Wade. I'm gonna cheat. I'm gonna cheat a little bit. Oh, okay. And the there's a lot of stuff that I want to talk about and put on the list.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:15

But if I'm being really honest, uh uh animated movie that I absolutely love and I watch every couple years is uh it was a direct-to-video movie. Okay. And it was released in two parts.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:31

But you can get it as one whole movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:35

Not like Kill Bill, where you have to like watch one and then start two. Like they, you know, the first movie kind of ends and there's like a little black screen for about 15 seconds and then the second half starts.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:47

Okay. Well, Kill Bill will be released in theaters as one whole movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:50

The whole bloody affair. We'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:54

But um, my fifth choice is gonna be The Dark Knight Returns.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Ooh.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:00

Have you ever seen The Dark Knight Returns?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:04

That is such a great movie. Wow. Uh Peter Weller as Batman. Mm-hmm. And um uh Robin uh Kim Kelly, is that her name?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:18

I I doesn't ring a bell to me the the name exactly right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:22

But the the little the the girl who the first girl Robin with the pretty cool glasses instead of the face mask.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:31

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:32

Yeah. Uh I just that is one of the best told Batman stories, I feel like. And then the second half, you got the whole conflict with him and Superman. And yeah, that's one of one of my favorite things in comic book lore is how they always have Batman and Superman fighting, and everyone's like, Superman would kill Batman, but Batman always fucking wins. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:02

That's the that's the lore. That's the lore. Batman always wins. He, you know, as much as yes, Superman is the the strongest character, right? But Batman's underlying theme is that he's a a genius who is always prepared for any scenario. He's worked out every plausible situation that he could find himself in, and he has a solution to either be successful or get out of the situation.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:34

I always see memes where they're cracking jokes about how Batman doesn't have a superpower. But honestly, Batman's superpower is he plays chess.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:46

Okay. Yeah. You know, like chess is the ultimate war game.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:50

Chess is the ultimate war game and he plays it well.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:53

And there's a reason wh why chess was I mean, it's a game hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years old, but there's a reason why kings and generals of ancient worlds used to play chess.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:07

Yeah. And I feel like Batman plays chess on a whole other level than Lex Luthor were would. Because Lex Luthor is always, you know, the smartest man in the world, and he can't outthink Superman's powers. But Batman always can.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:29

Every time.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:31

Yeah. But uh The Dark Knight Rise is just a great movie. The whole bit where the, you know, because it's uh Batman's retired and he's been retired for some time and just looking around Gotham and the bullshit going on, he's like, I gotta get back out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:46

I mean, and it goes on he goes on this crazy adventure against uh the Joker and Two Face, and and then ultimately you know ends up with Superman.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:56

Exactly. But the but the interesting part of that movie is the relationship with Batman and the Joker, because Joker also is kind of retired in every sense of the word, because when he shows up in the movie, he's catatonic. You know, like he's just sitting on a couch drooling, not doing anything by himself, and then Batman comes on the TV. Oh, there's sightings of Batman, and all of a sudden, you know, eyebrows start going up, and he starts like waking up.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:26

But that's the waking coma.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:28

But that's the whole thing about their intertwined relationship, and it's always kind of been that way, is that one cannot they're they're almost symbiotic in the sense of they cannot exist without each other.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:42

Exactly. But then they but then they have the scene. They have the scene where they're in the amusement park, and Batman throws the batarang at him and it goes in his eye, and Joker's like, Are you crazy? That could have killed me. And Batman's like, I'm tired of playing this game with you. The people that I have murdered by letting you live, and it's like, wow, Batman's like not pulling any punches in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:08

No, and just that raw admission that there's something as as smart as Batman is and as smart as his utilities are, for one reason or another, there's just an impossible feat in removing his arch nemesis because because he knows that's so much of his identity.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:29

Yeah. And you know, Batman, that's Batman's code, though, is I don't kill, because that is the difference between me and them.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:39

Is I'm not just gonna murder somebody, and he keeps letting Joker off the hook. He just catches Joker, puts him back in Arkham, and then he escapes and murders 20 to 30 people in a shot. That's how Joker operates, and that's the game they play.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:55

So it's funny that Batman could defeat Superman using his intelligence, but he can't do that with the Joker.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:04

Well, there's a emotional and almost uh I think I wouldn't necessarily say spiritual, but they're almost like, you know, twins, alter alter egos of the same person, you know? And so um there there's this emotional tie between Batman and Super sorry, Batman and Joker. Um, because Batman's usually always composed and in control of the situation, and he gets unhinged a lot with the Joker.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:33

Yeah, yeah. But the the Dark Knight Returns, I love the dramatic animation of that movie. Like the like the Batman the Animated series. I love the dramatic animation of that show. And the the the series is more of a Detective Noir series.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:54

But the the Dark Knight Returns is just like one of the best action movies, and it's so dark. I mean, there there is one character that I wish they would have put more clothes on her. I I mean, you know who I'm talking about. Yeah, that that is the one part of the movie where it's like, oh, I have a hard time recommending. I feel like they I mean, I'm sure that's probably an accurate representation of that character from the comic book.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:22

But I feel like that character could have gotten an updated costume.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:26

Yeah, and you know, I think it it probably would have been better suited for the general audience if they did that.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:34

You know, yeah. But um I agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:36

But other than that, that's a fantastic movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:40

Highly recommend.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:41

Agreed. So those are our five, Wade.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:44

So d did you wanna did you wanna recap them before we talk about the other ones that didn't make our lists?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:50

Yeah. So my five were Into the Spider-Verse, Coco, Pinocchio, Cars, and the Iron Giant.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:59

And my five were Up, Rango, Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio, Fantastic Planet, and The Dark Knight Returns.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:10

Those are some good lists.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:12

Those are some good lists, but there's a lot of good shit we didn't talk about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:16

So the three that I had in my 6-7-8 were uh Ghost in a Shell.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:24

Okay. I I've never been able to watch that whole movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:27

Yeah? The one from the animated from 95?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:30

Yeah. Like I said, anime is not my forte, but I have a hard time. The first time I saw that movie, I tried to watch that, and the first time you see the main character in that, it looks like she's just naked standing on top of a building. And I'm like, why the fuck is she naked? And so that kind of turned me off. So I turned it off. I was like, you know, I'm not a prude, I don't mind nudity in movies, but I was just like, I feel like she didn't need to be naked. And then later somebody told me, oh no, it's a bodysuit. I was like, okay, I feel like they could have done something different, but I tried it again, and I feel like every time I watch it, I get like five to ten minutes further in, and I'm just like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:14

Yeah. I think it's a it's a great animated movie if you can get past those things. I'm I'm also that way, you know. I I'm not very fond of certain things, but I think as a whole, it's worth a watch. Uh, you know, it's it's suspenseful, it's a thriller. I do like those things. You know, me and sci-fi, uh, you know, I I love anything sci-fi related. And so I think uh Ghost of Nichell makes the list for me. Um I also have Jungle Book on there. Oh yeah. It it it blows me away that that movie was made in 1967 just as much as Pinocchio was made in 1940. Um every time I it's hard for me to fathom that that was made in the 60s, but it was.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:59

Um I still to this day I get itches on my back, and I'll find a corner and I'll start Yeah. And people look at me weird and I'll be like, Yeah, take care of those bare necessities, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:13

Look for the bare necessities, the simple bare necessities.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:19

Yeah, that's good stuff, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:21

Um, and then Spirited Away is on there.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:24

Spirit Away, I did I didn't dig. I think we talked about that. You know, we did.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:28

Uh but there's a lot of, you know, uh, you know, Princess Mononoke's, you know, uh that one I dug.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:34

Princess Mononoke was one I really enjoyed.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:37

Me too. Um, you know, I also have Toy Story on there just for what it is as a heralded. I mean, it's it's uh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:46

The first three Toy Story movies, amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:50

It's uh perfect ending to that trilogy. They did not need to make a four or a five.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:56

No, and you could throw that trilogy trilogy into some of the best trilogies of all time.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:01

You really could.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:02

Yeah, it's that good. It's that good.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:04

Yeah. I remember uh Toy Story 3 came out on DVD when we were at Blockbuster. And so I didn't see that one at the theaters because I was, you know, cash poor at the time. And Casey put it on. And I'm watching, I was like, oh yeah, I didn't rent this yet. I really want to, though. And you know, there's only like five or six toys standing around, and they're like, Oh, we've lost a lot of good friends over the years. This person and this person, and somebody's like, and Bo Peep. And Woody's like, yes, and Bo Peep. And I'm like, oh my god, I don't know if I could watch this movie. I don't know. That's already this feels traumatic and sad. I don't know if I can do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:49

Yeah. Um, another one is you know, Beauty and the Beast. I uh literally, my ri my list, I just it seems infinite, you know?

SPEAKER_06 1:22:56

Um Well, I feel like I'm not a big fan of the classic Disney movies that everybody loves, you know, like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty and all those. Yeah, Snow White. Snow White. The animation's great. Uh it's all hand-drawn and beautiful from the time. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:13

Yeah. You're not a big musical guy though.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:16

I'm not a big musical guy. And those ones just didn't hit me. But uh, I came of age, I believe I was seven years old when The Little Mermaid came out.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:30

And so that was like the whole Disney Renaissance, because we got that, we got Beauty and the Beast, we got Aladdin, and then we got Lion King. It was like this one, two, three, four, boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:43

Yeah. Those that's really my era of Disney. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:47

Those movies are. For that matter, all you could put all the all four of those in your list. Really could. I mean, that's how I thought about it. That's how intense the the genre of animated movies is. It really is uh I think a pivotal piece of cinema.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:05

Um the animated sector of of film. It it's really is uh a tour de force, I think, in in the industry.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:14

And we didn't talk about the nightmare before Christmas or Coraline.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:20

Um, I never got to see Paranorman, which they're re-releasing in theaters, I think.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:26

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:27

I never saw. I I really wanted to, I never got around to it. Um, I didn't really care for the Corpse Bride, but I really wanted to see Frankenweenie.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:37

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:38

Never got around to that either. So so I kind of mentioned Ralph Bakshe's The Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:46

You did, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:47

Which that would be the first one that I unfortunately had to leave off my list. Um, I have such fond memories of that movie. I can't remember where exactly it ends in the uh the story, but originally the plan was to do uh I think it ends at the Battle of Helm's Deep.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:11

Because the the plan was to do two movies, and I believe the first one underperformed, so they didn't do this, they didn't do a second one.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:21

Gotcha. But um You know what I heard was really good. Um my buddy John, you you know, we went and saw we went to the Frida together.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:31

Um to see Go.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:33

Yeah, to see Go, yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:35

Which was a Christmas movie that we neglected to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:39

Yeah, yeah. Um the one that he loved um was The War of the Roharim.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:47

Okay, yeah. Yeah, I didn't see it, but I heard it was great.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:50

Yeah, yeah. Um, he he really, really liked that. And so yeah, so sorry to interrupt you. Keep going.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:58

Okay, cool. So when when I was a kid, that was The Lord of the Rings. It was called JRR Tokens, The Lord of the Rings, and it was a Ralph Bakshee movie. There was that, and there was the original uh animated version of The Hobbit.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:12

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:13

And that was a really cool movie, too, especially with the animation. So though those are two movies that I haven't seen in a lot of years. I would love to watch those again.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:26

Um the third movie that I wanted to talk about was Beavis and Butthead do America. You gotta love Beavis and Butthead, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:38

Yeah, they're classics, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:40

They're classics, man. They they that movie, I don't know if you remember that movie. Have you ever seen the movie? Yeah. The movie opens with like a Starsky and Hutch credits sequence. You know, like they got the they got the froze in the 70s close. Like it was pretty much an animated version of the end credits of Iron Man 3, which is still my favorite part of the Iron Man series, is the fucking end credits of that movie, because it had no business being there. But that's how Beavis and Budhead opened, and you know, they were always on the TV show, they were always just sitting on their couch watching TV. So the beginning of the movie, they walk into the house and their TV's gone. And they're they're looking at their couch and they're looking at the TV and they're looking at the window. And I think there's like footprints leading up to the window, and it just keeps going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And they do it like five or six times. And I think Butthead goes, Do you know what this means, Beavis? And he's like, What? He's like, This sucks. You know, like that it's just so much fun, that movie. I haven't seen that in a lot of years.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:58

I mean, they you know. Similar to South Park and a few other shows, they defined a whole generation of South Park animation.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:09

Yeah, I don't think you'd have South Park without Beavis a Butthead.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:14

But that's another movie we could have talked about too is South Park Bigger, Longer, and Uncut. That was a trip of a movie. But the one I really struggled to put on the list and it didn't quite make it. You know, one of my five favorite movies of the millennium, as we said in our first episode, was The Fantastic Mr. Fox.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:35

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:36

And you could, I didn't bring it up because we talked about it at length in that episode. But you did. You could easily take any movie off my list and put the fantastic Mr. Fox in its place, and I'd be a happy camper.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:49

Agreed. I uh I would also uh put it in my top five as well. Did you ever see Isle of Dogs?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:57

That's what I was gonna bring up. Yeah. I thought about because I couldn't say Fantastic Mr. Fox, I almost did Isle of Dogs.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:04

Yeah, I I I'm partial to the Fantastic Mr. Fox, but Isle of Dogs is a fantastic film in its own right.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:12

Um I forget the haiku at the beginning of the movie. Yeah with the first two lines, but the third one is Frosted Window Pain. And it's got nothing to do with anything, but you know, it's they needed a third line, so frosted window pain. And I love how Tilda Swinton plays the oracle in that movie. She's the little pug and she gets all her information from the fucking TV. She just sits there and watches daytime TV all day, and they'll be like, What do you think about this? And she'll be like, Huh? What? Because she's so busy watching TV.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:47

It's um I turn my back on mankind, frost on window pane, a black owl flies.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:55

So good.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:57

I I yeah, I really enjoyed that movie. Um it's not as good as The Fantastic Mr. Fox.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:04

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:04

But and another great cast. I hate that he gets such great people to do almost nothing. Edward Norton, Jeff Goldblum.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:14

Yeah. I think it's almost too kind of like a rite of passage thing to be in one of his movies. And so, I mean, his movies when you look on paper, he sa he has some of the greatest castings ever in most of his movies. Oh. They're they're unreal. They're unreal, really. Yeah, the people think about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:34

Little part. Did you see um Asteroid City?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:38

No, I still haven't gotten around to watching Asteroid City.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:41

Margot Roby is in the movie for like two and a half minutes. She has like one scene in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:49

I really feel like it's almost like an honorary thing that actors and actresses like you've you've made it when you're in a Wes Anderson movie, you know?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:58

Yeah. Well, Wes Anderson, you know, like so that was um the first, I think that was the first movie. I'm not sure if she'd seen Fantastic Mr. Fox. But I think Asteroid City was her first exposure to Wes Anderson, if if only live action. Uh-huh. Because we went to go see it. And uh since, you know, we've seen um the Royal Tenen Bombs. I had her watch the Royal Tenen Bombs.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:26

Did you get around to watching uh the Phoenician scheme?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:29

Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:31

Uh I have a partial, a partial soft spot for the Life Aquatic.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:35

The Life Aquatic is great. I really like the Darjeeline Limited.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:39

That's a great one too. Adrian Brody.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:42

Adrian Brody. I I didn't save mine. Yeah, that's a good one. And and actually the the Darjeeline Limited, there's that great short film, the Hotel Chevrolet, with um Jason Schwartzman and Natalie Portman. It's just them in the hotel room. Yeah. Yeah, I really I really enjoy Wes Anderson.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:06

I do too. A lot of people don't, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:09

I worked with the guy, you know, he would defend every Marvel movie, no matter how bad they were.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:16

And he was a film school guy, but he just could not respect Wes Anderson, and I'm like, why? He's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:24

Because all of his movies are about the symmetry and the colors, and when you're directing a movie, you know, their apartment is supposed to show you a little bit about the character, but really all of his sets show you a little bit about Wes Anderson. They're not about the characters, they're about him color coding and the symmetry and everything. I mean, fair, but you're also not getting this detail in a fucking Marvel movie either. So what are you complaining about?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:54

Yeah, and I mean, think of Wes Anderson's filmography, and he's not making like three movies that are the same thing, you know? It's it's it's the directing and the screenplays and things for these movies are all unique and they stand on their own. Um wild. Um, the other one that I really enjoyed of his was um wow, what was it? Um was it uh Moonlight Kingdom? Moonrise Kingdom. Moonrise Kingdom, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:25

That was a good time. I never saw the French dispatch I didn't see that either. I would like to sit down and watch that. The Grand Budapest Hotel, I'd like to give another watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:35

I enjoyed that one.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:36

I only saw it one time, and I saw it at a buddy's house. We were on our way to see uh the early screening of Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh, nice. And I went to his place, and his wife or his fiance, his his future ex-fiance was uh making dinner and he put it on. So, you know, I'm already like in the mindset of going to see a big space Marvel movie. Yeah. And, you know, she's cooking in the middle of it, we're having dinner, and it was just the wrong environment to watch that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:13

Yeah, I think if you sit down and watch it, you're gonna enjoy it much much more.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:17

Yeah. Yeah. I I would like to sit down and watch it again. I'd like to have Jen watch more of his movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:24

Yeah. I I think you should give it a go with Jen for Life Aquatic.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:28

That that's the next one. After the Phoenician scheme, I had planned on doing the Life Aquatic, and I don't remember what happened, but I never got around to it. I think we were watching a show. Like we were in the middle of some series.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:41

Yeah. I think she'd probably enjoy that one a little more.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:44

I think she would. Well, she really liked um the Royal Tenen Bombs.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:48

Uh I think aside from Fantastic Mr. Fox, she's enjoyed all of them.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:53

I don't know why she didn't like Fantastic Mr. Fox. Uh if we were to rate his movies, that would probably be number one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:01

Yeah, that's my number one as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:03

Easily isn't, you know. Are you cussing at me?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:10

What the cuss? What the cuss? And then they're just fight scenes.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:14

All you hear is you know one of my one of my favorite scenes of that movie is it's when um they're showing the uh all the animals like digging, uh-huh. And they got the guy up by the campfire, and he's playing a banjo, and he's like singing a song, and the the really skinny, rude uh farmer played by Michael Gambin comes up. He's like, Petey, what song are you playing? And he's like, Oh, I'm just I'm just kind of making it up as I go. And he's like, That's bad songwriting. You wrote a bad song, Petey. Yeah, that cracks me up every time I see it. I love the fantastic Mr. Fox.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:57

Because you you don't you don't expect him to say that either.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:00

You don't. It's like so petty. Like, what like who gives a fuck? They're sitting around a campfire. This is bullshitting, but he's like, What is this?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:12

Yeah, yeah, he took everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:17

God, I love that movie so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:19

And I love watching the special features or the you know, the uh the documentary styles of the actors actually acting out oh yeah, those scenes. It's so good.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:33

Yeah, yeah, those are great. I've seen I've seen a couple of those.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:37

Yeah, just to see like George Clooney and some of those scenes are hilarious. Yeah, him eating the toast, and he's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So good. Really good, really good stuff, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:50

So I have a proposition for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:53

Oh wow. Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:56

Um, so I'm looking on Tubi.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:00

Oh goodness. You're hooked, man. You're you're I'm a little hooked, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:04

I am.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:06

So I'm I'm looking on Tubi, and they have the ghosts in the shell.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:12

So I think once we're done with this, because it's still pretty early for us.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:17

Uh I think once we're done with this, I'm gonna watch the ghosts in the shell.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:22

You're gonna give it another go.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:23

I'm gonna give it a go because you you're telling me what a great movie it is. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it all the way through.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:30

I think you should watch Sing Sing, but Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:34

Here was the proposition.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:36

Okay. Oh, I know where you're I know where you're going with this.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:39

You know where I'm going with this.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:40

Yeah, yeah, I know. Uh Fantastic Planet.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:43

Fantastic Planet. I will watch this The Ghost in the Shell tonight. If by the time we do our next record, you watch Fantastic Planet and we could talk about them.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:53

Deal. Deal. You have my electronic signature in verbal format.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:59

Excellent, excellent. I will use that to sign some checks later.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:04

Yeah, I have this check. Uh the gentleman said it was uh electronically signed in verbal format. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:11

That's that's a binding contract.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:13

Yeah, yeah. It's almost as good as a handshake.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:15

Almost as good as a handshake.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:18

No, yeah, so that's that's what I would like to because yeah, it's only an hour and twenty-three minutes. And like we said, fantastic planet. It was what was it, an hour and thirteen? Hour and twelve. Hour and twelve? Yep. I'm down, we'll do it. Okay. Yeah, that's that's that's the plan.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:37

And we'll tell everybody how they were next time.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:40

That sounds good.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:41

So we are uh up all night cinema. Uh I'm Wade. This is Adrian. Say goodnight, Adrian.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:50

I'm too old for this shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:52

Same though.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:55

Hello again, all you ghouls, goblins, vampires, insomniacs, and bandam fans. That's our show for tonight. Don't forget to like and subscribe on your way out and leave a review where don't you? But only nice ones, please. Remember what your mother said. If you don't have anything nice to say, shut the fuck up.