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Hello movie lovers. It's after midnight and you're listening to Up All Night Cinema with Wade and Adrian on KNRR, not really radio.

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And now here are the boys.

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There was a demon that lived in the air. They said whoever challenged him would die. Their controls would freeze up, their planes would buffet wildly, and they would disintegrate. The demon lived at Mach 1 on the meter. 750 miles an hour, where the air could no longer move out of the way. He lived behind a barrier through which they said no man could ever pass. They called it the sound barrier.

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Yeah. Is that Top Gun?

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No, it's not Top Gun. No? Was that close? Eh, yeah. You're on the right track. Was it Tom Cruise?

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No. Not Tom Cruise. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

What was that? That was nice though.

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I can't tell ya. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Oh, you're not gonna tell me. Rude. Okay. Alright.

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I can't tell ya.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

At least not right now. At least not right now. It's it's a mystery for later to be paid off. Yeah, it might come up later. Fantastic.

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Okay. Yeah. So how are you doing? I'm doing okay, man. What what what uh what what have you been watching lately? Uh well today uh on Tubi.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Why am I not surprised? Why are you not surprised? I watched CSU.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Oh, yes. The first one. Because the the sequel is in theaters currently.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

Is it now out now?

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Yeah. Well, it might have already left theaters. I didn't think it was gonna get a huge theatrical release, but the first one is It's wild. It's wild, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Yeah, I I wanted to see it when it was coming out, and for some reason I never got around to it.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

And then I saw a preview for the second one, and I was like, shit, there's a whole second one now. I gotta watch the first one. Yeah, the first one was epic.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Dude, it's an epic movie. It's along those lines of like John Wick on steroids in some cases, because it's a lot more gory in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Yeah. Big heightened action movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Yeah. It's a thrill ride. It really is.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

It it it was crazy. Um that whole bit where he like is throwing the mines at the German soldiers through the through the um through the smoke and they're sticking to their helmets. That was that was fucking wild. Yeah, I I really I I had a really good time with that. Jen and I watched Ambulance with Jake Gyllenhaal. Ooh, what'd you think? We really liked that. That was a good time. It was fun, huh? It was a lot of fun. The whole time I'm watching the movie, I was remembering when it was coming out. Uh-huh. And I was telling somebody at work, another movie person, that I wanted to see that. And he was like, Oh, even Michael Bay, the director of the movie, says that it's not very good. And I said this at the time, but I am even more sure of my words now after having seen the movie. But the man who directed Revenge of the Fallen has no fucking business telling me what's good. You know, like he could come out and say, Oh, Ambulance isn't very good. Yes, but you directed Revenge of the Fallen, so go fuck yourself.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Uh, there's a couple movies of his that besides Transformers that I've missed, but I feel like it's his best movie since The Rock.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Oh, yeah, that's what I told you. I I I think last time we talked about it is I thought Ambulance was such a thrill ride. And you you can't take your eyes off Jake Gyllenhaal. I mean, the entire movie. And I I saw it in theaters, and I was literally on the edge of my seat the entire movie.

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Yeah, it it was great. I loved all the little side characters. Another one where the side characters were great.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

There was the um, I forget her name. It was a very specific name, but she was the uh girl in the in the van running all the tech.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Oh, her face is so um but she was so sassy.

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I was like, see, this is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Yeah, what's her name?

SPEAKER_00 4:31

I don't know, but Garrett Dillahunt is sitting there eating Cheetos.

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Uh-huh.

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And she's like, Don't get any of that fucking Cheeto dust on my computers.

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Are you are you thinking of the other like supporting actress? Uh is that who you're thinking of?

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Not the not the EMT, not the girl in the in the truck with them. No, the one with the the police officer.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Oh, the lieutenant.

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The lieutenant. She was wearing like a black polo shirt and she had kind of uh frizzy hair.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

I think her first name I want to say is Olivia, but I don't remember her last name. It's some like uh longer last name that I can't I can't think of at the off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

And I think they only mentioned her name twice in the movie, like the character's name.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

And the first time he mispronounces it, and the second time she corrects him, but it happens so fast that it doesn't really stick.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

She was great. Garrett Dillahunt was great. The Mexican gangbangers that he calls for help, they're great. He had that assistant who was just sitting at the like a dealership. Was he selling cars? Was that what that was?

SPEAKER_01 5:44

I I I honestly haven't seen the movie since I watched it in theaters.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

So well, he was the guy he calls to grab your spray paint, grab blue spray paint, you're gonna spray paint the ambulance. And that guy wants like nothing to do with any of it. He's like, Man, I'm just sitting here trying to watch TV. I don't know why I'm involved in this. Like he was great. The the two cops, you know, the the the one who goes into the bank to ask the girls for the girl's phone number, and the other cop who winds up chasing them throughout the city. Like everyone was so good in it.

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I thoroughly enjoyed Ambulance. It's it's one of, I think, in recent years, that's one of the movies that I recall like having the most fun watching. It's just a a damn good time. It's a Michael Bay movie in its best fashion, you know? The best you can think like a Michael Bay movie could be with like action and suspense in the thrill ride. That's the movie. It's definitely one of his best movies, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

Yeah, I dug it. And uh the the other movie I watched was uh I finally watched The Killer with Michael Fassbender. Yeah, you told me you were gonna watch that. Yeah, it was it was fucking awesome. It's just like watching The Killer, watching Ambulance, and watching Cisu. I'm like, this is what action movies should be in 2022.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

Or 2025 or whatever fucking year we're in now.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

I know it's almost 2026. When this airs, it'll be 2026. Right. Yeah. Wild man. But yeah, that's what action movies should be in 2026 is The Killer and Ambulance and Sisu and Havoc, which we talked about last week.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Yes. Yes. I uh it's on my list too, both on Netflix.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

So yeah, it's a Netflix original, like uh The Killer was.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

Yeah, so I'm I'm excited to have those on my list.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

So yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

I I also watch for the first time in a long time Batman Mask of the Phantasm.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Ooh. Now, I have a question for you. Is it because of the rumored Scar Joe casting? Did you go and watch Phantasm because you're potentially myself? You're potentially hoping that she's casted as that role?

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Well, yeah, I mean, it doesn't make sense. Like, I know they offered the part to Emma Stone and she said no.

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Mm-hmm.

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And Scar Joe campaigned for the part.

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Yeah.

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Took a significant pay cut.

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Yeah, I heard she she told her her team, like, do anything you can to get me into this movie.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Yeah, I believe she's only gonna make like eight or nine million dollars up front, and everything else is back end deal. And it doesn't seem logical to me that she would just be the love interest.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Yeah, I I I think your rationale for her potentially being that role is spot on. And you know what? I think she has the character likeness and the bravado to play that role. Yeah. Absolutely. And I I vividly recall some of her more intense sequences in Black Widow, or which is a movie that I feel like got shit on by the comic nerds for no good reason because I really enjoyed that. I did too. And there's other moments where in some other movies where she her her role as Black Widow is more serious, and I think that could play in really well to you know Reeves' version of that villain, along with the speculation or the rumor, or it's almost kind of out in the open now that Reeves wants to, or he's written this movie with villains that the Batman universe hasn't used before.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Yeah, at least on film.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Yeah, at least on film, correct.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

And watching the movie last night, because it had been a long time since I'd seen it. But I know that they said that this movie, the second one, the Batman Part 2, is gonna be more deep into Gotham's corruption.

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Correct.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Which is why there's such an online community that thinks that the court of owls is gonna be probably the main villain.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

And having Phantasm in the movie would make a lot of sense too, because in Mask of the Phantasm, she's trying to kill gangsters that murdered her father. But you could just as easily sub in the court of owls.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Absolutely. And there's a s very subtle showing potentially of their future in the penguin series. I don't know if you caught it.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

I still haven't watched it, but I've heard that. I've heard it's great. I just haven't got around to watching it.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

It was one of the best TV shows of last year.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

Yeah, I heard that. So yeah, that's what I've that's what I've been watching. What have you been watching?

SPEAKER_01 10:54

So I saw the pilot episode of Pluribus on Apple TV.

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Yeah, I've been hearing great things about that.

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Oh, holy shit, is that a good first episode, man? And you would love it. I think you would you would get a kick out of it.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Oh, I'm sure I would. It's the guy who did Breaking Bad, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Yes, correct. Yeah.

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This is his new show.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Vince, uh Vince, uh Vince Gilligan, right? Is that his name?

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Yeah, Gilligan or Gillian. Yeah, he used to be a writer on the X-Files.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Yeah, yeah. That's what I was uh looking up. Because when I was watching, I was like, man, like I'm drawing a blank on what else he's done. And that was one of the things that came up, along with, you know, Better Call Saul and those things. But yeah, and breaking bad. But it's yeah, it's great. The premise basically is like, well, I d I don't really want to give anything away to you, but essentially there's this very famous writer, and the episode kind of starts with her like reading her book to a bunch of people at a bookstore, and like she writes fantasy/slash romance novels.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

And she very like it. Yeah, and she even hates herself for writing these f fantasy romance novels because she's not much of like a people person or anything like that. And in the beginning of the movie, the uh beginning of the of the show, it starts off with these experts or these people that monitor signs from space receiving this signal, and a few minutes in they finally crack the signal, and like you go into the future. There's this time clock that you don't know what the time clock is for that they keep showing with like hundreds of days or this and that or whatever, and then um just shit hits the fan and it starts getting really weird, and that's all I'm gonna tell you.

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Because I was interested in getting Apple because of Silo.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Oh, Silo's great.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

And now there's this show as well, and it's just like, man, I just I wish I had more time.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

I've I've told you many times over that I think Apple TV has the best lineup of original TV shows out of any streaming service.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Yeah. Well, there's the the shrinking, is that what that's called?

SPEAKER_01 13:07

With uh board that you have two seasons of that, you have Severance, which is phenomenal. What's the what's the studio the studio is the studio should be the first thing that you watch because you're gonna fall in love with it.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Oh, I'm sure. I've I've heard good things about it. Murderbot was fantastic. Oh, I wanted to see that too. Yeah, that was the one with Scarsgard, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Yes, it was great. Um yeah, they've had nothing but heavy hitters, I feel like every time they come out. And then there's some other low-key ones that I haven't seen, but have gotten like great, great reviews. And so like Platonic with Seth Rogan and um uh Rose Byrne, right? Rose Byrne, yeah. Uh I've seen episodes of Foundation, which is fantastic. It's a sci-fi series that's phenomenal. Isaac Asimov show. Yeah, uh Slow Horses with Gary Oldman. I've seen like the pilot episode of that, and that was really good. There's just so many that I haven't gotten a chance to watch them all. And I still want to get to for all mankind, which is a TV show uh where they imagine a where they imagine a world if if um if the global space race never ended. Yeah, like that was the Russians were the first ones to get there and stuff like that.

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Yeah, that was one that I did see a preview for. I think I saw a preview for season three, and I was like, there's already two seasons of this. This looks amazing.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

Yeah, I I haven't gotten around to that, but I I that's on my list of things to watch. But like I said, I I think Apple TV, and now that you can I'm I don't know if they still have it for six dollars for six months or something like that, but it's that's it's almost too hard to pass up. I know.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

It's just also I don't know when I would watch some of this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Oh, I guarantee you it if you get it and you turn on the studio, you won't put it down. You'll you'll want to go a whole night with no sleep just to watch it.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

That's what I need is another night with no sleep. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

So yeah, Plurbus was great. I also have seen about halfway of J. Kelly.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Okay. Yeah, how is it? I heard mixed things.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

I really like it so far. There's one scene about 15 or 20 minutes in that takes place in a bar that just completely hooks you. So essentially, someone passes away, you know, George Clooney's character attends the funeral and he runs into his old college roommate, and he's like, Yeah, maybe I'll see you around or whatever. And George Clooney's like, I'm free now, let's, you know, let's go have a drink or whatever. And they're having this good old time in this bar and they're reminiscing. And because they both went to like acting school together, right? In college or whatever, and so he he has his, you know, Jay Kelly, he's like, Oh, you were the best one out of all of us. Like, go, go ahead and like read this menu. You're the method guy, read this menu. And he tells him to read the menu in an emotional state, and then this guy just proceeds to read this menu while crying. And that scene, just the way the color grading and George Clooney's like you could tell in his eyes his emotional response to his friend acting with a menu, it it kind of just hooks you. And after that, like I couldn't I couldn't stop watching until actually until I came to record this episode.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Yeah, until until you until you stopped watching.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yeah. Um, but then that scene takes a real really interesting twist. And uh, but yeah, so far I I've liked it so far. Uh I can see why uh Clooney has been considered a best actor nods for the movie.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Yeah. Did did he get a Golden Globe nomination today for it?

SPEAKER_01 17:11

I want to say he did. I know they released all the all the nods today, and I think I I sent it to you earlier.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

You did, and I kind of looked through it, but then as I'm going through, I was like, Yeah, I expected that, yeah, I expected that, so I just kind of stopped.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yeah, he did get nominated for best actor in a motion picture musical or comedy.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Okay. I I love I love the splits that they do on that, like what makes it in the musical and comedy. Best motion picture musical or comedy, begonia. I mean, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Probably because they couldn't fit it in the other one.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

One battle after another, musical or comedy, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

I feel like that's almost like they don't want to not nominate what they know are all the good movies for the year. I like it. I mean, I I appreciate the split because they fit more movies in that way, but I also am like, like specifically those two, I would not consider begonia a comedy, although I could see how it could be weirdly seen as one.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Yeah. Well, and then they got like Sinners under drama.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

They could have just as easily said, well, it's a musical.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Put it under musicals and you know, put begonia under. But you know, whatever. I mean, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

But I I appreciate the splits too. I know I hear constantly there's always this back and forth discussion uh of you know major awards, uh taking out the words actor and actress.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

And I don't necessarily disagree with that. But what I like about them differentiating like that is you get 20 nominees and four winners. But if you said best lead performance, you get one winner instead of two. So that's the only reason I would really fight to keep that language in there. And I know some award shows, like I think the Independent Spirit Awards don't differentiate, but then you know they have two acting awards.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So I I like that four people win.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Yeah. I I like that they give out more awards too. I'm in a complete agreement with you because quite honestly, a lot of people deserve it. And you know, it it it sucks when you know there's a lot of good movies or good actors and actresses nominated, and they they just can't give them to everybody, you know. So I'm okay with how they break down whatever they break down because it allows for more honorary mentions and awards to those who really deserve it. So we are up all night cinema. I am Adrian. Say hello, Wade. Are we looking at the Franks or the Beans? So let's talk about something a little bit more serious before we get into our topic.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Okay. Uh I got I got an idea what you're gonna bring up. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Yeah?

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

The the hot topic that's kind of taken over social media and has been on a lot of people's lips is the Netflix and Warner Brothers merger.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

As of this moment, seems to have been putting way up in the air, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Yeah.

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Today, Paramount, I don't know how this shit works.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

I don't either.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

But Paramount is attempting a hostile takeover, they're referring to it as, and they offered a higher cash payment than Netflix did.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

About 20 billion more.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

So, you know, the Zaslov, the president of Warner Brothers, said that they would take 10 days to consider that offer. Oh man. Which gives Netflix some time to pull some more money out of its ass and potentially counter-offer. I don't know how this shit works anymore.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yeah, I mean, I I don't know if it's just it was if it was just a verbal thing that just said, yeah, Netflix, we agree with the offer, and I didn't know it was a thing where they they can just like scoop back in and say, oh no, wait, we're gonna offer you 108 billion to reconsider.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Yeah, I I I don't know how this shit works. Um, yeah, the the higher business of all this is not my forte, but yeah, I know who I would rather see win that argument. And by the time this comes out, we will know who won this argument.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yeah, I I definitely think so.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

But I would say uh either way, we are kind of fucked.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

And why don't you why don't you kind of share why you think that? Because I think in our Personal conversations, you made some really good points as to why, and I'm in agreement with you, why I think or why we think cinema might be in a downward swing or potentially in danger because of this big news.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

So the the first thing that everybody said once Warner Brothers started selling, the the big worry, and I don't know why this was the big worry, was the James Gunn cinematic universe.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

Yeah, I was I was like, come on, guys, like really, are we that disassociated with good cinema that all we can think of worrying about missing theaters for are superhero movies?

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Yeah. So just so I get that bit of bullshit out of the way, Netflix is fully committed to continuing the James Gunn cinematic universe, where it looks like if Paramount wins the day, they might restructure that and potentially reboot it however they want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Yeah, that's what I read today, too.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

So if that's what you're worried about, that's you should be voting for Netflix or Paramount based off your opinion of the new Superman movie, I guess. But realistically, the biggest issues, if Netflix wins, as James Cameron has been fond of saying for the last several weeks, as this whole thing's been molded over, is if Netflix wins, that is a huge blow for cinemas and physical media. Because Netflix is not a fan of either.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

They only really release movies in theaters for a very short amount of time so that they're available for Oscar consideration.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

So they have said, yes, we are still committed to releasing Warner Brothers films in theaters, but the distribution window between when they premiere in a movie theater and when they hit Netflix would be about two to three weeks.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

That's evident. We saw that with Frankenstein, which was only in theaters for a few weeks.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

And then they're doing it right now with um Wake Up Dead Man, the new knives out movie.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Correct. And um, I couldn't see Train Dreams in in theaters, even though it's being thrown around for nominations, and so is J. Kelly for that matter.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Yeah. Which very limited releases, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Yeah, very limited. There was nowhere in my general area that I could watch it. You probably being in LA probably could have seen it somewhere downtown. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

So as I said, like these companies like to do these things, so Netflix is over here going, we will continue to release these movies in theaters just with shorter windows until they don't make any fucking money because no one can find them, and then they're like, Oh, people don't want to go to the cinemas, but we're hitting huge numbers on here. So after about a year, they're gonna just release them straight to Netflix anyway.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

And then on the other side, we got Paramount. I won't go into all the weird politics of that, but there's a lot of money involved in that because Paramount just like within the last year laid off a shit ton of employees and they look like they were spiraling down.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

And, you know, now there's some money involved in this merger because they have to compete with cash, which is not how these deals are usually done, but they needed to have more than Netflix. Correct. Netflix has the cash. So they've got some money from some, you know, disrepu I won't say disreputable, but they got some money from some people that seem like not who you want the money to come from. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Well, and this isn't isn't the first, and I will share with you know, uh a good chunk of that money from what I hear is coming from a a fund, like a multimedia or exploratory fund coming from Saudi Arabia. Okay, yeah. That has a substantial stake from what I hear. I don't know if the details have been released yet, but they're supposed to have a substantial test stake in this deal. Um, and it wouldn't be the first. They've bought up other businesses. I believe they bought up like Activision, which was like the big video game one for billions of dollars. And so they're right now in this realm of acquiring huge multimedia, let's just use that for a general term, multimedia businesses that are been very successful. Um, and so it'll be interesting to see what happens, but I think either way, it could be potentially disastrous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Well, the the thing I was gonna bring up about Paramount is the thing that they came out with today, because they're trying to placate the movie nerds like us who are like, well, Netflix is going to eliminate theaters and physical media altogether if this goes through. And Paramount's over here going, oh, well, we are committed to releasing 30 movies a year. That's fucking insane. That's two to three movies a month.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Yeah, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

For for a year, two to three movies a month, who's gonna see all those movies? Because just like with Netflix, like I was saying with Netflix, where they're like, oh, we're gonna release movies and keep them in theaters and then they're gonna disappear. Well, Paramount's gonna make 30 movies in 2027, I let's say, and probably 85% of them are gonna flop because there's just no time to see any of this shit. And it's they're probably not gonna be good because they're just cranking out stuff. They're essentially creating content for movie theaters, they're not making film, yeah, they're gonna make content, and most of it's not gonna be good and it's gonna fail. And then 2028, they're gonna be like, you know, we're only gonna release eight movies this year because uh people don't want to see most of them.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Yeah, so we could potentially wind up in the same scenario.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

We we probably will wind up in the same scenario because I'm going through, I actually took the time to look at what Paramount has released since COVID, and there's not a lot. Like they have a lot of movies, yeah, but you haven't heard of a lot of it. Some of it was distributed by Paramount, but not produced by Paramount.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

So, like, really you had Indiana Jones, you had Top Gun Maverick, and you had two Mission Impossible movies.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

And then everything else, like there was Paw Patrol, there was Sonic the Hedgehog. Like, this is not high-quality film we're talking about here.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

No, the only other movie that I can think of that did really well was the animated Teenage Mute and Ninja Turtles.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Teenage Mute and Ninja Turtles was on there.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

I think there was a SpongeBob movie on there.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Which there's another one releasing pretty soon.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

There's another one releasing. So I I won't say it's all crap or it's all unsuccessful, but you know, over a five-year, almost six-year period, we just named like seven or eight movies, and they're telling me they're going to release triple that.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Yeah. And to be honest with you, Paramount has, if you just look at their track record with what they've done, like they've heavily focused on TV.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

And their TV shows have been wildly successful, and they're actually really good.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

The Taylor Sheridan series.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

All of his series have been really good.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

And they do really well for the network. And uh, you know, there was the Star Trek, which have had varying degrees of success with audiences. And, you know, now they have Showtime, and even though they don't own Showtime, but we talked about that, how it's a different entity, but you can't do shit with Showtime without Paramount Plus. But either way, I feel like we're gonna lose in the long run.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Yeah, and so my follow-up question is what are the chances that we see, let's just for better words or not, let's say a coup d'etat with because I've sent you memes about it where it's like the Avengers assemble and it's like Tom Cruise and Christopher Nolan and James Cameron and all the you know the Avengers assemble to fight the the monopoly, but what are the chances that we see some random sources, let's just say, create a production company and start with some cash and start cranking out movies for for cinema with all these people who really believe in cinema? What are the chances of that, you think?

SPEAKER_00 31:03

You know, I I don't know how that would really work either. Because, you know, if you look at it, James Cameron should on paper have all the money in the world.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

He really should. Between Titanic and these Avatar movies, that guy should be able to pull money out of his ass almost.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

They're the highest grossing movies of all time, practically.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Yeah, and basically make whatever he wants. Yet we still don't have Alita Battle Angel 2, which is something that he is highly committed to make because he can't get studio backing slash financing for it.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Yeah, because the first one didn't do that great.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Because the first one didn't do that great. It's James Cameron. Why should that matter? And the fact of the matter is because these people don't want to throw their own money into it.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

And realistically, we don't know what their finances are. We look at these people like they're mega billionaires. But I remember reading an article about how Ben Affleck, when you know, one of the Batman movies was done, he wanted to buy one of the suits. And I think they told him it'd be like fifty-five, sixty thousand dollars for the suit, and he was like, Oh no, that's too expensive. But that's Ben Affleck, doesn't he have millions and millions of dollars?

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

But you know, these people have to, you know, live on budgets too.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

You know, I don't know how finances work over there, but you know, I'm sure he's got publicists and agents and lawyers and all that shit.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

So we just think these people have just this infinite amount of money to throw around, and I don't think they really do.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

No, at the end of the day, you know, a lot of these directors don't make their movies without the backing of these companies. All we can hope for is that good movies keep being made. There's a there's a silver lining somehow that these movies still are able to get produced once these mergers happen. Because yeah, like let's use Christopher Nolan as an example. I can't imagine not being able to see the Odyssey or potentially one of his future movies that epic and having to watch it at home on Netflix or on Paramount Plus. You know?

SPEAKER_00 33:24

I think one of the big issues with film and why we're having these problems is they cost too much.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

And, you know, I know I just went through this whole thing saying I don't think uh all these celebrities have quite the amount of money that we think they do, but I do think that we shouldn't be paying them the kind of money we do. Like I'm sure Leonardo DiCaprio made $20 million for one battle after another, but did we need to pay him $20 million for that?

SPEAKER_01 33:57

You bring up a good point, and it may rewrite what independent film looks like. We've talked about independent film and the trajectory that it has to increase based on what happens.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

And this may be another one of those instances that reinvigorates smaller movies or lower budget movies or independent cinema again.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Well, like like I was just saying, I just watched Sisu today.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

That movie looked fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

Everybody in that movie was great, and I was hooked the moment it started, and I didn't know a fucking person in that movie.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Not one person, and I was in it. Yeah. And you know, we we spend so much time going, oh, well, we need Scarlett Johansson to be in this for people to go to the theater. We need Will Smith to be in this for people to go to the theater. And that's why we've been paying these people so much money. But they're not going to the theater for those anymore. They're going to the theater for these big movies.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

They they go for Iron Man, they go for Avengers, they go for Superman, they go for these things. But they're not going to see Henry Cavill.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Yeah. Guess how much Sisu's budget was for filming.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Oh shit. Let's see. It looked like $120 million.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Right?

SPEAKER_00 35:23

It it looked like an expensive movie. But I'm gonna guess it was probably something like $58.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Six to six and a half million.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Six and a half million dollars?

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Makes no sense. See, if you can make Cisu for six and a half million dollars, there's no reason why a James Bond movie needs to cost 300 million.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Yeah. And supposedly wor worldwide, it brought in like 14. So it essentially doubled its budget.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Successful on paper, but why did that only make $14 million? It looked amazing.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Well, it it Sisu is kind of like a cult action movie now. Not a lot of people know about it. To this day, even.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Yeah, but that that's the issue, is like we've talked about before, you know, these things don't get marketed.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

No.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

And I feel like that's really where a lot of these big budgets go is in the marketing. We gotta plaster it here, we gotta plaster it there. Because we don't watch TV anymore. Here's the thing, too. It's a finished movie. It's a finished movie, but they did the whole movie. I was impressed. I was expecting to read subtitles and there weren't any. There were a couple times where they're speaking Finnish.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

But for the most part, they're speaking German and the German is all done in English.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

So I don't know. Uh I feel like we just don't know how to advertise shit anymore.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

Honestly, if I remember what I what I saw of that movie, I feel like it was it wasn't marketed as a it to me, it was marketed as a foreign film.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

Yeah, well, because like like I said, I expected to see subtitles. So yeah, whatever marketing I did see was I expected it to be foreign film.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Yeah. And although it was, like you said, predominantly in in English, I don't know if it it the action's fantastic. So it's one of the the the best action movies that has come out in the last few years, but I don't know if people would generally be receptive to it because of the foreign aspect to it. I guess that's what I was trying to say.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

And that's fair. I I immediately thought, oh, this is a this is a movie about history. Nobody wants to see that. Because I thought that was cool that it was set at the end of World War II as you know the Germans are running out of Finland because they're running out of space. And I was like, oh, these guys are these guys are desperate.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Yeah. And I think the sequel already, I think, has probably, I would assume it probably has a bigger budget, and I know there's at least some, I wouldn't say high profile, but more noticeable actors.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Well, there's the uh guy from Avatar, Steven Lang.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Correct. Yeah, that's probably the biggest addition to to the cast.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Yeah, it looks like he plays the villain this time around. Yeah, he plays the uh there's a fucking stretch for you.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Well, he I think he plays I think he I from the what the trailer or what I've seen, I think he plays a Russian villain, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Yeah, because it's like about revenge because in the movie he like killed Russians was like where his legend came from.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

He was Yeah, correct.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

Yeah, so it would make sense that the Russians after the war would try to track him down.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Yeah, that's the premise of the second one.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Yeah. Uh it looked I can't wait. I gotta see it. But yeah, I just think movies are too expensive now. So when you go to the theater, they're too expensive. So the movie really has to be something that's gonna wow you. And most people don't want to go see something like train dreams. They don't want to see something weird and a little interesting. They wanna, you know, I want to go in, I want to be entertained. I don't want to have to think about work, money, or the future. I want to go in, I want to be entertained, and I want to eat some popcorn, and then I want to go home and basically forget.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

Yeah, no, I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

Which is too bad.

SPEAKER_01 39:29

Well, I think we've had a lot of good things to say about what we've watched, and uh we talked a little bit about what we're nervous about with the future of cinema. Yeah. But let's let's set all that aside for now and get to the topic and talk about some more movies that we like. Hell yeah. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 39:50

I'm ready. Hit me with it.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Okay. So as you know, it was my birthday.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

Yes, happy birthday, man.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

Last weekend. Thank you, thank you. And uh I live in Houston and I went to NASA for my first time. And it was awesome. I had a blast. So NASA gave me a little influence for what our topic is gonna be.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

All right, all right, I like where this is going.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Yeah. So today's topic is gonna be your top five space or science fiction movies related to space. Okay. Not necessarily the five best, but your favorite movies. Set in space or generally around space? Set in space or um are generally around space is fine because I know there's some on my list that don't necessarily take place in space, but they are related to space or travel of space or getting to space. All right. All right. Uh so they could be uh science fiction or fiction or non-fiction, just whatever your favorites are. I'm I'm open to it. My list is 11 long. So um I left some off purposely because I have a feeling that some may make your list. Sure. So um, but I will probably take one that will be on your list as my number one just to get it out of the way. All right. So if you'd like, I will go first.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Oh, please, please go first since you got a list already.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

Okay, so my number one, and this is no particular order, right? This is favorites. This is what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

Uh, my number one is Moon.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

Moon, okay. That's that's that was not gonna be the first one I mentioned, but Moon is a fantastic movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Yeah, with Sam Rockwell directed by Duncan Jones. He also did the source code, which is a really good movie, too.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

He is also wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Uh yes, he is. Yes, you know where I'm going with that.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

He is David Bowie's son. Do you know what his real name is?

SPEAKER_00 42:05

Uh, you know, hold on. If I remember correctly, his real name is Zoe Bowie. Zoe Bowie. I was like, what the what the hell? No wonder he changed his name. Yeah, well, and then in pertaining to the theme of our show, I believe Frank Zappa, who was also of David Bowie's era of music. Frank Zappa named his children Moon Unit 1 and Moon Unit 2.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

Like, how do you live with I guarantee those kids changed their names?

SPEAKER_01 42:38

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. But let's talk about Moon for a minute.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

Oh, hell yeah. When Moon came out, the best Kevin Spacey performance in the last 20 years.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

Yeah, because he's non-existent personally in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

He he's just very monotone off-screen robot.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

But it's great, though. Let's just put it out there so we don't have to talk about it again, okay?

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Yeah. That that's the most Kevin Spacey we're gonna talk about on this episode.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

Yeah, but Moon. The premise of the movie is Sam Rockwell's character is on a solo mission on the moon. Yes, sir. And ultimately he's there for recon and all these other reasons for experimentations and these things.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Well, he's like he's collecting he's collecting moon rocks, right? So that they could send them to Earth for energy purposes. It's like miring energy.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Correct. Yeah, it's part of the government, and the moon rocks have become Earth's uh primary source of energy, if I'm not mistaken. And this was one of those low radar flicks that came out at Blockbuster. Do you remember that? It it was.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

I remember Mark got it first.

SPEAKER_02 43:53

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

I remember he texted me, he's like, Hey, I got moon. I hadn't been at work in a couple days. I was like, God damn it. I was so mad. He's like, I already watched it. It was great.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

Yeah. And then at some point in the movie, he has a crash. Yeah. And he miraculously wakes up inside of the building where he kind of starts everything, right?

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

But he's looking at himself in the crash.

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Well, it it's it's pertinent to know that he's up there by himself.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Yes, that's a big key. He is all alone up there.

SPEAKER_00 44:33

And as we stated before, Kevin Spacey is his only real other person up there, and he's a robot, but that is a robot that is attached to the ceiling on a track. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

So so that robot, it's not like a life mannequin robot that can walk around and lift things. Like it just wanders around and gives him updates and shit. It's not like Tars from Inner Cellar. Yeah. So when he gets in the accident, it's like he wakes up in the infirmary and there's this whole section of movie where he's like, How did I get here?

SPEAKER_02 45:09

Correct. Correct.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

From the crash site. And he's thinking it's a different crash site than what we're thinking.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

Correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

So so so yeah, it's just Sam Rockwell is literally the the only actor in that movie, it feels like.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

You know, Sam Rockwell is the only actor in the movie, but he's not the only character in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Yes. And that's a good way to main character. Yeah, that's a good way to hopefully intrigue people to watch it without giving too much away, because if we talk too much more about Moon, it kills the movie.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

Yeah, you you really have to see that movie, but correct.

SPEAKER_01 45:53

Great shit. Yeah. Great, great stuff. And did you know there was a sequel to Moon called Mute?

SPEAKER_00 46:03

Uh yeah, uh it wasn't I tried to watch it. It wasn't really a sequel, it was like same universe.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

Yeah, it wasn't that's what I was just about to say. It wasn't a direct sequel to Moon.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

Yeah. Like they talk about, you know, the fallout from how Moon Goes, like the story of how Moon Goes at the end of the movie, it leads into, you know, there's during Mute, there's all kinds of uh news footage or sound bites about, you know, the fallout from the movie of Moon.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

Yeah, it takes place in a Berlin of the Future. And although it it has a a great cast, you know, it has Paul Rudd, Alexander Saskard. Um those are the two I can think about the top of my head.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Those were the two main ones, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Yeah. But yeah, I I couldn't really get into it either.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Yeah, I tried. I really wanted to, but yeah, I couldn't dig I didn't dig that movie too much.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

But for me, Moon stands alone as one of the best space or sci-fi movies that's come out in, you know, the last 21st century, let's just call it that.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

Yeah, I agree. The cool thing about that movie that doesn't get talked about a lot is I believe it's the first part of the Benedict Wong space trilogy. Do you know what I'm talking about? So Benedict Wong is one of the guys that uh he only has like two scenes in the movie. I think it's one, maybe two scenes in the movie where Sam Rockwell's talking to Home Base.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

And there's these two suits that are oh, everything's fine, this, that, and the other thing. And Benedict Wong, who's really popular from Doctor Strange and the Avengers, is one of those guys. But then he goes from that movie to my first movie, which is Sunshine.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

Ooh, see, I left Sunshine off because I had a feeling it was gonna be on your list.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

Man, I love Sunshine.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

Sunshine is a great movie.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

So Sunshine is another one of those great all-star cast movies. It's Killian Murphy, Chris Evans, Michelle Yo, Benedict Wong, Rose Byrne. There's a character actor we've talked about on the show before, Clifton. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

Uh are you thinking of Cliff Cliff Curtis?

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Cliff Curtis, thank you. Cliff Curtis. Um, and then there's the other guy, the guy who plays the captain, the Japanese guy he was on. Yeah. I think he was the lead on Shogun.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

He was, Sonata, Hiro Yoki Show. Thank you. Sonata. Yeah, he's one of my favorite Japanese actors.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

Yeah, he was really good. And then there was another guy who I'm not familiar with outside of Sunshine, so I don't know his name. But don't forget Mark Strong. Mark Strong's in the movie too, a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:57

He's good in a little very small role. But basically, the idea of the movie is that the sun is dying. And probably, contrary to what science will tell us, I I'm not sure we'd have to ask Neil deGrassi Titan if this is even possible. But we send this giant fucking nuclear weapon into space to drop onto the sun to try to restart the fire because Earth is gonna die in a nuclear winter if it doesn't. And the first ship disappeared. So the group we follow is actually the second attempt to try to do this. And everything's going according to plan. You know, they're on their way. You know, Michelle Yeo's the botanist, she's supposed to keep uh the plants and the trees that they brought on board alive so they have air debris. And Killian Murphy is there to drop the nuke when the time comes, and then they find the other ship outside of uh radar range from Earth, and they have to pose this question: do we continue with the mission as it is, or do we attempt to go to the first ship, see if there's survivors, and maybe potentially have two bombs to drop on the sun, and that's where the problems occur. And it is a magical sci-fi movie. It's the guys who wrote and directed 28 Days Later.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Danny Boyle.

SPEAKER_00 50:32

Danny Boyle and Alex Garland.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Mm-hmm. Which I don't know if I've seen anything that I don't like of Alex Garland.

SPEAKER_00 50:42

I'm gonna be honest, I haven't seen Men yet because everyone told me it was fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_01 50:47

I haven't seen that either.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

But I really want to see it.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

Yeah. You have to see it for yourself, you gotta see it for yourself. Because as we know, sometimes things that other people say they hate, we end up loving.

SPEAKER_00 50:59

So it depends. I I always think of this guy in line at Best Buy who told me not to buy End of Watch with Jake Gyllenhaal because it wasn't a very good movie. And I was like, oh shit, okay, maybe I should put this back. But then he's like, Oh, I forgot to look for that Kevin James movie, Here Comes the Boom. And I was like, never mind, I'm gonna buy End of Watch. And just so we put it out there, what'd you think of End of Watch? Uh, this guy didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

It wasn't training day good, but it was a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Oh, it was yeah, it was good.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

So, yeah, what's your opinion of Sunshine?

SPEAKER_01 51:35

I really liked Sunshine. Sci-fi is probably my favorite genre of film. There's something about being transported to a future world or a potential future that we may see one day that's so exhilarating for me.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Um I don't know. I think sunshine gets forgotten about a lot in general in sci-fi movie topics. I agree. But I think it it kind of has a cult following for people who love sci-fi films. Yeah. I would agree. As one of the better ones that has come out.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

Yeah, I would agree. It's just so beautiful the way they tell the story. I I love it when you have a group of people that have to work as a team, and some of them don't like each other.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

Because that's real. You know, it always gets portrayed like you might have the one guy who's trying to, you know, sleep with the one girl, or you might have the the two over here, they're kind of a couple. You know, you might have the the romance, like, oh, it are they or aren't they? You might have that, but you never have what this movie has, where you've got Chris Evans who's just kind of a dick to Killian Murphy, the whole movie, because they do not like each other. I I I love when they do that in movies.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

Now, this might be a controversial take, but to me, it's like we had Armageddon come out, you know, pre-2000, right at the end of Yeah, it was like 98. The 90s. Yeah. Right? 98. And then we have Sunshine in 2007 come out, which is a very similar movie in the sense of like you have this group of individuals with very different personalities banding together to try to save the world.

SPEAKER_00 53:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

If you give me a choice between the two movies, I'm choosing Sunshine.

SPEAKER_00 53:20

Me too. Well, the thing with Sunshine is the moral complexity of it.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Correct. Now, Armageddon definitely there's more of like a love story, and it's a more of a blockbuster action type movie. But I'm using this as a comparison because it's similar in the sense that you have two groups of individuals, both are trying to save the world, both have similarly complex characters, but I think Sunshine does a much better job at weaving all those pieces together. A much lower budget. Oh, for sure it was a much lower budget, and it looks much better.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

The thing that kills that movie, and I I blame the studio entirely for this, is the last quarter of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

They introduce an element which could have worked, but I don't know if the studio wanted to hit a certain rating or what, but I know that they kind of stepped in and had some hand in how the end of that movie is, I don't know, not shot, but how it comes across. Like things were edited out, uh things were changed a little bit, and so the the end of that movie is not the greatest. It still works. Yeah, I think it could have been a masterpiece.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Yeah, I think the whole and I'm not sure why they chose to go with like the the sacrificial aspect of the the end of the movie, uh if that's what you're referring to. I don't know if that's specifically what you're referring to.

SPEAKER_00 54:55

I was referring to how they shot the villain.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Ah, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

So so that there's a you know who the person who kind of becomes the antagonist of the story involved some makeup, and I think they wanted to hit a PG 13.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

So, you know, every time that character comes on screen, the camera gets real shaky.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

And there's lots of lens flares because they don't want you to see it.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

And that's always the complaint I see online when people talk about this movie is like the bullshit that happens at the end of that movie with that character.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

And it's the character that I just mentioned that was it's Strong's character.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

Yeah. So Captain Captain Pinbacher. Yeah, it's it's unfortunate. I I think if they would have let an R-rated version come out, that would have been more Danny Boyle's original vision. I think the movie would have I don't think it would have been more successful because I always think that's bullshit. You know, audiences don't know going into the movie that the last fort there's going to be this weird problem because of the studio.

SPEAKER_02 55:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:59

So I don't think it would have been more successful, but I think it would have been just a stronger movie.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

I think it would have been a stronger movie if Killian Murphy's character doesn't sacrifice himself.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

See that I would disagree with, because you need that at the end.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know if if it was absolutely necessary. I feel like the movie was so solid on its own that they could have found a different way to do that.

SPEAKER_00 56:27

Well, I think at the point where they were at, like they had already said it was a one-way trip.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

At some point in the movie, they had a point of no return. Yeah, they hit a point of no return at some point where there's just no going back for any of them through complications that have arisen during the movie.

SPEAKER_02 56:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:49

So I think it was fine because we were already there.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

Yeah, and I guess it makes more sense why they did it that way because of uh his character, Kappa's confrontation with Mark Strong's character as the antagonist. It made sense. Um, so yeah, I see I see how it was essential to the film, but I think I would have liked to see maybe an alternate ending where that didn't necessarily need to happen.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

I think it's kind of like the alternate ending of Donnie Darko. So I've seen the alternate ending of Donnie Darko. There's the version where the plane engine crashes through his roof and you know he dies. And then there's the version where they show him impaled on wooden spikes that came up out of his floor, just sitting there choking on his own blood. I'm like, does anybody need that? No, probably not. No. So I feel like the alternate version of this movie is Killian Murphy not sacrificing himself at the end and then dying slowly from lack of oxygen. And I know which way I would rather go.

SPEAKER_01 57:56

Yeah. With that point, I think you you you do have the better rational thinking when it comes to the movie needing the sacrificial protagonist in order to end it that way.

SPEAKER_00 58:08

Yeah. I I think it I think it wraps the movie up in a nice tidy package.

SPEAKER_01 58:13

Yeah. So you ready for number two, Wade? I am ready for number two. You got a list going now, I assume. You're you're thinking.

SPEAKER_00 58:21

I have a few written down.

SPEAKER_01 58:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

I got a few written down. I'm uh trying to weed it down to the next four.

SPEAKER_01 58:30

Ooh, okay. Okay. So my next movie is a 2018 release. Okay. It's uh First Man. Ah, with uh Gosling. Yes, uh directed by Damian Chiselle.

SPEAKER_00 58:45

That was I saw that in the theater.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

I did too. It was impressive in the theater.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Yeah, it was really good. I I really really, really good. The sound design in that movie was great.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

I mean, yeah, the the score in that movie is amazing. It it it's it's phenomenal. It's out of this world.

SPEAKER_00 59:02

I mean, it was. I'm uh I remember liking the score, but I'm talking about like the sound design, like how I felt like oh, okay. I was in the capsule with him.

SPEAKER_01 59:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

Yeah, I thought that was amazing.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

Yeah, for me, um, I mean, it it received a bunch of Oscar nominations for all the things you've mentioned, like sound mixing, editing, production design. Um, I think it won for best visual effects or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

That doesn't surprise me at all.

SPEAKER_01 59:31

Yeah, um, but I think it's uh a standout movie. Um obviously it is the story of Buzz Aldrin. Well, Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong, right? Neil Armstrong, yes. Yeah, primarily, primarily Armstrong, but Gosling plays Neil Armstrong, but it has a stellar class. You have Claire Foy, uh the guy we love, Jason Clark.

SPEAKER_00 59:54

Uh uh I love me some Jason Clark. I forget who he plays, but I I forgot he was in that until just now.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

No, he plays Ed White. Yeah. Um, and and then you have Corey Stahl, who plays Buzz Aldrin, who's great in the movie. Um Patrick Fugit. Yeah, Patrick Fugit, yeah, that's right. Yep. But essentially, you know, when I was making my list, and just after visiting NASA, I instantly remembered this movie because it's it's about the dangers and everything that led up to these crazy missions of trying to get to the moon and all the dangers that they were confronted with with eventually getting there in '69, right? Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, the the Apollo 11 flight is historic, really. And um, this movie, I think, is a perfect representation of everything that it took to do that. And I really like how they consider the family aspect of all of this going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

Well, it's very much about Neil Armstrong's family life, more so than just about the mission itself.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Absolutely. It it takes a heavy precedent on the intense situation that it brought about, because in reality, these were essentially suicide missions at this time because they were dealing with unprecedented, unknown context for what was going to happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:24

Yeah, I remember watching uh the right stuff and them talking about, you know, oh, we want a window, and they're like, you don't get a window on this thing. Like, there's no reason to have a window on here, but it was just it was dangerous. They didn't know, you know, it's the first time we're really trying this shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

I'm laughing because that's the the intro is from the right stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:47

Ah, there it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

Yeah. The demon in the air is from the right stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:53

I I remember uh what I most remember about that movie. There was uh them going through their physical exams and Scott Glenn like limping down the hallway holding onto his IV because they had just got done probing his ass.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

That's what I remember most from that movie. Great cast in that movie, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

There's so many good parts. I mean, I'm just gonna say it. We'll talk about it later, but it's on my list of course somewhere. But um, one of my favorite scenes is when Jeff Goldblum's running to the all the government uh people and he he opens up and he's like, Oh, whatever. He's like, We know. Sit down.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

Yeah, I I forgot he was in that movie. It was a quick, quick moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:41

Yeah, yeah. It's called Sputnik.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

Yeah. Man, Jeff Goldblum back in those days was something else.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Oh, the 80s with Goldblum. I I think people forget him in the 80s, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

Yeah, well, he was in the 70s too. I always remember him like he was in Nashville, and all he did in the whole fucking movie was he just drove around on this wild fucking motorcycle. That's all he did. He would just go from place to place and he'd be there, and he's just this tall, lanky nerd.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

That's the Altman movie, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Yeah. Uh we're talking about first man though. Sorry, we're talking about first man.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

That's okay. We got a little sidetracked, but that's okay. I think we covered most of what we could talk about about first man.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

We both highly recommend it. I think it's a really good, serious movie about the cost of what it took to get to the moon in the 60s.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:34

And and the realism of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

Correct. To me, it's one of Ryan Gosling's strongest roles.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

He's great in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:42

He's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

He he always plays the the charmer and the funny guy with the wink or the badass.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:52

And he was just such an insufferable dick in first man. It was so out of character, and I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:00

And um I'm not sure how accurate that is to Neil Armstrong in real life. I haven't done enough research on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:07

Me neither. It wouldn't be the first time a biopic created a character out of a real person to tell the story that they were going for.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

Correct. But at the same time, I think with a lot of these larger-than-life characters, it's not too far from the truth because there's this insatiable desire for the dangerous and the what hasn't been done yet. These individuals that complete these feats, they're they almost seem like larger-than-life humans. And in a lot of ways, they are because the way they think and how they go about things is vastly different than the rest of people. Uh, I've I've read a lot about let just going back real quick to like the right stuff and the book that it's based off uh by by Wolf and some of those first uh a lot of those pilots and things like that. They're just big balls men that like yeah, we're gonna sign up for suicide missions because we want to do what nobody else has done before.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

Yeah, I I forget what movie it's in, but somebody makes a comment about how you got this giant combustion engine strapped to your ass, blasting you out of the hemisphere and into parts unknown where the air can kill you or the lack of air can kill you, the pressure can kill you.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

It's it's like being in a submarine, but not on Earth.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

Yeah. And the reality is that, you know, leading up to the Apollo missions and you know, the Mercury 7, that the right stuff gets into, there was a ton of test pilots that died along the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Before we actually landed on the moon.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:52

A ton. And so it really goes to say that these were treacherous missions that NASA and United States were embarking on, and it cost a lot of lives to do so. And so it can't be taken lightly that this is what it was, you know. And and you know, my experience with NASA over the weekend talked a lot about this, and it was it was really eye-opening. It's not just this, oh yeah, we got to the moon, like now, because of science and how advanced we are and the safety parameters that we have in place. But when you when you stand in front of, for my experience, like the Saturn V rocket or the Saturn V rocket, however you want to say it, like the immense size of it, and then you look at all the little panels and all the all the the the fuel lines and everything else that connects to all these things, one of those things goes wrong, and they're all dead. It's really amazing. So when I think of movies that we're talking about, and yes, they're a little bit obviously dramatized and for film, and sometimes they don't get into the nitty-gritty details. Um, it's very serious.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

Yeah. Yeah. Which brings me to my second movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:12

Okay. Very serious. I think I know where you're going with, but it might be on my list, but let's hear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:19

Galaxy Quest. You almost did a spit take there, sir.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:26

Uh Galaxy Quest is on my list, but it's down farther. Um okay. Galaxy Quest is by far Tim Allen's best thing he's ever done.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:37

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:38

Without question.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

Without question. Toy Stories included.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Yes, Toy Story is there, but I'm talking about like actual in front of the camera. Galaxy Quest is beyond question the best thing he's ever done.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:50

Yeah. They have a documentary on it. Have you ever seen the documentary Never Surrender?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:55

No, I didn't even know there was a documentary.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:58

There is a fantastic documentary. Really? And the documentary opens on a black screen, it's like space, and then these words come up. Okay. And it says, There are only three perfect movies made in human history. And it's I forget what the first two are. Three is Galaxy Quest. And the quote was from David Mammoth, who is one of the great playwright filmmakers of our time.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:31

And then they cut to Sam Rockwell hearing that, and he starts laughing. He's like, David Mammoth said that. And that's the opening to the movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

That's great.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:42

I love the premise of the movie. Oh man. It is so good. You know, this cast on Earth makes this awesome, you know, show or whatever. And then these aliens think that these are the real life people that could like save Earth. And so they abduct them basically so that they can help them on their on their quest to survive.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:05

It's basically Star Trek.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:08

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:09

Well, they are absolutely playing Star Trek. Like, there's no doubt in my mind that Tim Allen's playing Shatner. No, it's a parody movie, absolutely. It's a parody movie, but it's also the seven samurai. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, they got the aliens who take them to help them. They are a peaceful, kind of nerdy race.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:30

Yep, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:32

And they're about to be just decimated by this space warlord, and they have nowhere to go, but to the cast of Star Trek. Who they they're not they're too naive to realize that it's a it's uh not a real thing when they see episodes of the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:51

But man, that is just such a great time. As a Star Trek fan, yes, they they they hit all the boxes.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

Oh, absolutely, and the cast is outstanding.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:03

Fantastic cast. I mean, you got Sigourney Weaver, Alan Rickman, Tony Shaloub, Tony Shaloub, um Sam Rockwell, we know Sam Rockwell, Justin Long, and Rico Colotoni from uh Veronica Mars.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:18

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:20

Missy Pyle, the tall girl from Dodgeball.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:25

Uh Rain Wilson has a little part as one of the aliens in it.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:29

Yep. Yeah, I think it's just aside from it being like a comedy, you know, a satire parody movie. Um I think it has a lot of heart.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:38

Oh, it absolutely does. That that's what that's what gets me about that movie, because it's not just a joke.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

No, it it absolutely isn't a joke. It has a really good, a really good strong message to the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:50

The scene that I always think of when I think about how that's a serious movie is the scene where Tim Allen has to actually tell them to explain to them who he is and what their quote unquote historical documents are.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:07

That it's all bullshit. That is amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:11

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:12

And I know if if you watch the documentary, I know that they have uh, I'm pretty sure they have Patrick Stewart. They have Patrick Stewart on because they were still doing uh Star Trek The Next Generation, or they were working on one of the movies, and Jonathan Frakes had told Patrick Stewart to see Galaxy Quest, and he's like, No, I don't want to see something where they're making fun of Star Wars or Star Trek, and he's like, No, no, they're not making fun of Star Trek, you gotta see it. And then he said what amazed him was that the fans are the ones who saved the day.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:46

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:47

Like those fucking crazy nerds who are sitting there trying to figure out the physics of a TV series, yeah, save the day, and that that was amazing for him.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:59

And that's what you that's what we're talking about, like the heart of the movie really like hits down to what's important about sci-fi. And it's yeah, the people, the people that fall in love with these stories and these narrations of these movies or TV shows or that have been that have been going on for decades.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

Yeah. Well, Star Trek only survived because of the fans. I think the original series only lasted three seasons, most at most. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:29

You know, everybody talks about Star Wars and the movies and all these things, but and granted, uh, there's a lot of fans of Star Wars, but I think there's more diehard fans of Star Trek.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:41

I don't know if I would agree with that, but the fans of Star Trek are really intense Star Trek fans.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

That's what I'm saying. That's they're they're really intense.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:52

They are intense, like they're serious about it. That's that's why I said at the top of the show when we were talking about Paramount having Star Trek series that were hit or miss with the fans. You know, some people were really on the wavelength of the shows they got going on, and some people were like, this isn't Star Trek. Whereas I feel like Star Wars fans, it doesn't matter how bad the product is, like they might bitch about it today, but in five years they will defend it to the death.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:23

Which is crazy to me. But I don't know, like the the heart of Galaxy Quest is really strong. The spoof elements of that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:33

They're great. I mean, I really love Alan Rickman's character. You know, he's supposed to be like the trained classical actor. Yeah. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:44

But you know my favorite part is Rockwell. Because when you watch an episode of Star Trek, especially from the old days, they would like get a distress signal from a planet and they'd be like, Okay, cool, like we're gonna go down there. William Shatner, Spock, the Doctor, and these two guys that you've never seen before are gonna go down to the planet. And before the opening credit sequence, one of those two guys is dead. And by the middle of the show, the other guy is dead.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:13

They ne you could never kill the main characters, of course, but like they would always take these other guys and they would always perish.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:20

So they have the scene where they're dropping down onto that planet to get the a new core for the the ship so it could fly, and Sam Rockwell's freaking out, and they're like, You wanted to come. He's like, That's because I thought I was gonna be the guy who stays up top on the ship, and there's something up there, and it kills me, but now I'm thinking I'm the guy who goes down to the planet and something kills me to prove that the situation is serious. It's just so good. Yeah, it he he nailed that part. Everybody was great in their parts.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:56

Yeah, it's it's great. I love you know when Alan's character is forced to tell the aliens that they're actors. Uh-huh. I mean, that's a a very serious part of the movie, right? I think that's where a lot of the the heart of the movie comes into play.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:15

You know, it was it was supposed to be they they shot it as an R-rated movie. Really? So um it was DreamWorks decided that the movie needed to be targeted at children.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:27

Interesting. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:29

Which is why the movie flopped because it was aimed at kids, and kids A didn't understand the Star Trek joke. But it also appealed to a broad spectrum of sci-fi fans by doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:43

I grew up not in a Mormon household, but I grew up around a lot of Mormons because of my aunt and my cousin, so I knew a lot of these kids, and they all love that movie because they all loved Star Trek.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:58

And they were all into that shit, and it was just this rare sci-fi movie that they could all watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:05

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:07

And they dug the shit out of it, but there is one instance because they cut all the the language out, but there's one instance, if you watch the movie correctly, or if you watch the movie closely, when Tim Allen and Segourney Weaver are trying to get to the Omega 17 device that's gonna save the day. There's all these wild traps and you know giant saws and stuff going off.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:31

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:31

And Sigourney Weaver goes, forget that, but it's very clear that that's not what she says.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:37

No, she says the other F-word.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:39

Yeah, but it's like right on her face, so you could see that that's not what she said. But I feel like they could they could have got away with that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:47

Probably. Probably.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:48

I feel like at worst it would have been a PG 13.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

If they would have done that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:53

But Galaxy Quest is another one of those like cult classics among science, science fiction lovers.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:02

But but like I said, I think had it been more of an R-rated movie, I don't think it would be as well regarded today because of that rating, it did reach an audience like I was just talking about. Like that whole group of people would not have seen that movie had it been rated R.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:18

No, it would not be talked about today and as well regarded of a movie as it is today. I I'm in agreement a hundred percent with you on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:27

Yeah. But I think they could have got away with that one F word, because that that that's that scene, it would have made sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:33

They definitely could have gotten away with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:36

Yeah. So uh what's what's your third? Or did we already talk about three or no?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:42

I don't necessarily think we've talked about three. We've talked about the right stuff, I think, enough at this point to it's on the list, but I can leave it off because we've talked enough about it, right? All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. But just to go to say the right stuff is another one of those movies based on a true story that really hits home for what it took to get us to the moon in the 60s. Um, it's over three hours long.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:08

Um, it's a it's a long movie. That was a two two VHS movie back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:13

Yeah, exactly. But it has, like you said, a stellar cast, Ed Harris, Sam Shepherd, Scott Glenn, Dennis Quaid. I mean, it's phenomenal. It's directed by Philip Kaufman. Ironically, the the cinematographer of that movie is Caleb Deschanel, and he actually has two children that are pretty well known. Emily and Zoe De Chanel.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:41

And his other things, his wife. Tell me about his wife.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:44

I don't know about it. Mary Mary Jo De Chanel. Okay, who's she though? She's in in uh Twin Peaks, and she's I think she directed some of the Twin Peaks episodes.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:54

Really? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I need to re-watch Twin Peaks, man. It's been too long. I tried to get Jen into it. Mm-hmm. She didn't dig it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:04

Yeah, she's in something like she's I think she's in a ton of episodes of Twin Peaks, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:09

I'm gonna look her up. I'm probably gonna recognize her the moment I see her.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:12

Oh, you're gonna definitely, definitely recognize her the moment you see her.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:16

All right, let's check this out. Mary Joe De Chanel. Okay, yeah. First I came up. Uh I do and I don't recognize her. Um, I definitely recognize her, but I'm not placing who she played in the show. Oh, she was in Winter's Passing, too. That was a good movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:34

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but he was, you know, nominated for the right stuff for best cinematography. He did the natural fly away home, the patriot, the passion of the Christ.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:45

So he's saying I know I'd seen his name other places.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:48

Yeah, he's he's pretty well known. But let's go ahead and go to what I would consider, let's say, my number three, right? We talked enough about the right stuff. Number three is gonna be Apollo 13.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:01

Ah, there it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:03

Okay. I I always had a hard time with Apollo 13.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:08

And the reason why was the realism of it when I first saw it. Because they're showing like all the shit we leave behind. Yeah. And I was just like, we are just space litterers.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:19

Yeah. There's a ton of junk in space. Don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:22

There's a ton of junk in space, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:24

But when you go to NASA. Yeah, when you go to NASA, you realize that NASA's partnerships with SpaceX and stuff like that are really pushing that level forward because the SpaceX rockets, now that they have successfully landed them back into orbit, they're reusable.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:43

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:43

So the Falcon, yeah, the Falcon rockets have been reusable because they're no longer being just, you know, landed in the Atlantic Ocean or wherever else, or whether we don't recapture them. Yeah. So, you know, the fact that they're reusable bring down costs significantly because they don't have to rebuild rockets to get us up there. So pretty interesting. But yeah, Apollo 13, it's a Ron Howard film.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:14

Mm-hmm. You got a great card. Logan.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:16

Yeah. You got a great cast with Tom Hanks, Bill Paxton, Ed Harris, Kevin Bacon, I mean, Gary Sinisi. The the list goes on, really, for that movie. It's the Hollywood drama of the Apollo 13 mission where the astronauts almost died, but they were able to successfully come back. And um I just think it's it's very significant in film because of what Apollo 13 represents. Um, and so for me, I think it's a an amazingly casted movie. They're all fantastic. I think it's one of Tom Hanks' best films, in my opinion. Um, and I think it's for that matter one of Ron Howard's best films.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:59

I would definitely agree with Ron of Ron Howard's best movies. He's not one that I'm a big fan of his uh filmography. But Apollo 13 is a great I remember that was a huge fucking hit when that came out.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:11

Yeah, it it it was a huge hit. It came out in 1995, and the Apollo 13 missions would have been probably, I think, in 19 early 1970s, if not 1970s, somewhere around there.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:28

Um, and so you know, after the success of Apollo 11, right, and we had what 17 Apollo missions, if I'm not mistaken. Something like that. Apollo 13 was that one that almost ended catastrophically.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:46

And fortunately it didn't. There's a lot of media around Apollo 13 because that's where you get the Houston we have a problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:54

Yeah. Which is still like a big regurgitated movie saying that I don't know if a lot of people know where that comes from.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:03

Correct. And from my understanding, here in Houston, when Apollo 13 was happening, there was an individual who was driving into work at NASA. And so on Apollo 13, they were having some sort of you know malfunction or difficulty uh within the cabin that would have essentially ended their lives. And the gentleman was driving into NASA and essentially had a fix for the solution, but he wasn't quite to NASA yet. So he basically on the phone communicated the solution to NASA and actually saved their lives. Over the phone. Over the phone. They were able to build whatever they needed to do to fix the problem, and that's how they were able to successfully return to Earth.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:57

Did they have that part in the movie? I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:00

I don't I don't remember that either.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:01

I I love when they do shit like that. They're like, oh, this is how they fix that, but in the movie, it's always well, in the movie they gotta make it look like it. I I'm pretty sure it was the guys stuck up in the capsule who come up with a fix, because they're the heroes of the movie. They're supposed to figure that out, right? But what I remember about Apollo 13, even more than how big of a giant fucking hit it was, was they were talking about whether or not this was gonna be Tom Hanks' third straight best actor win at the Oscars. Because he had won for Philadelphia and Forrest Gump the two years previously.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:37

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:38

So I remember that was a big conversation is should we do that? Could he do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:44

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:45

I forget who won that year, though. I'm gonna look that up. Oh, I think it was if I'm looking at the right year, it was Nicolas Cage for leaving Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:53

Not surprised. That's a great movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:55

He's fairly that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:57

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:57

So I I think uh Nicolas Cage beat him on that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:00

Yeah. Not surprised.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:02

So for my third movie, I'm gonna go with an alien ripoff.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:08

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:09

So I mean it seems pretty obvious alien and aliens would be on this list.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:15

I don't think any of us are that predictable, either one of us, to throw it on there. But you know, aliens and alien are great space movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:25

But there are million knockoffs of alien out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:29

There's a lot of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:30

And I have a big soft spot for pitch black.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:34

Ooh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:36

I love me some pitch black, especially the director's cut of that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:41

Okay. Okay. So I think I think that's a great ad.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:44

Yeah. Uh pitch black. It's pretty far in the future. They don't tell you when exactly, I don't think. But it was really, I don't think it was Vin Diesel's big thing. I I want to say he had already been in saving private Ryan, so people knew who he was. But he wasn't big in saving private Ryan. He wasn't no, he wasn't big, but he was memorable. So between that and I think Boiler Room, he may have been recognizable by that point, but pitch black was really his big coming out.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:18

But um, it's basically about a transport ship that crash lands on a planet with three sons. And the sir among the survivors are Vin Diesel, who is basically a muscle-bound Hannibal Lecter.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:36

Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:38

Uh, you know, he's strong, he's fast, but he's also ruthless and will kill anybody a second. And so the survivors, um, you know, they're trying to figure out a way off of this planet, and at some point they realize that they are coming up on a total eclipse of all three suns, and there's a species that lives on the planet and hides in the caves underneath of it in total darkness. And so when the eclipse happens, they're basically dinner, and so they have to trust Vin Diesel's character, Riddick, to get them out of the situation because he has he's been in a deep super max security prison, so he had some alteration done to his eyes so he can see in the dark, like the monsters can't. It's one of those, you know, send a monster to kill a monster kind of things, but it it's a great time. Yeah, it's it's it's a really straightforward action horror movie. Very, very much so. And the look of the movie, like it's obviously a low budget film, but a little bit of a higher budget because if it was a little lower of a budget, it would have gone direct to video at the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:52

But you know, they put just enough money into it to deserve a theatrical distribution. And side note. The guy who wrote and directed the movie is one of the credited screenwriters of Waterworld. So if little little extra cheese to go on those nachos, if you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:12

Yeah. Pitch black is a good choice.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:14

I I love Pitch Black. I have a guilty pleasure enjoyment for the second movie, The Chronicles of Riddick, which honestly is not a very good movie, but I enjoy it. They're good flicks, man. They're good flicks. I I would fight you over Pitch Black, though. I think that is a solid movie. I like the characters in that movie. They tried to do something different with everybody.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:38

You know, Rhotda Mitchell is the main uh female lead. Correct. Somebody we've talked about on here. Cole Hauser, who's really popular right now because of Yellowstone. He's really good. He's essentially the main antagonist of the movie because they put you on Riddick's side almost immediately.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:57

But he's the cop, quote unquote cop who's supposed to be bringing him in. Yeah, uh, I love I love pitch black.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:05

Yeah, that's a good flick. That's a good choice.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:07

So what's uh what's your fourth movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:10

For my fourth movie, I'm gonna go with The Martian. Ah, yes. Now I know we may have loosely talked about it or some details talked about it previously. I don't think we ever went really in detail on it. But The Martian is probably, if I have to put it somewhere, like top two or three for my favorite sci-fi movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:35

Definitely top two or three of my favorite soundtracks.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:39

Yeah. It's got a great oh, it's great. It's great. Directed by Ridley Scott. Obviously, the lead is Matt Damon, but you have a stellar supporting cast with Jessica Chastain, she would tell Ediafor, Kate Mara, Christian Wig, Sebastian Stan, Michael Pena. I mean, the list goes on. Sean Bean. Sean Bean, Jeff Daniels, Donald Glover. I mean, it's it's it's endless, really.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:08

Yeah, there's a lot of people in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:10

It is a phenomenal movie. It's based off of a book adaptation by Andy Ware.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:17

Um, I have yet to read, but I do have it in my possession, and I'm really looking forward to reading it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:22

I must say, I was lucky enough to read that book before I knew there was a movie coming out, and I had a great time with the book, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:31

I'm excited. I trust your judgment on books, so I am excited.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:34

That's so good. Uh, did you because I got a funny story to tell about that book, but did you want to tell briefly what the movie was about? If for those of us who haven't seen it?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:44

Yeah. So essentially, there's a group of astronauts that go to Mars, and unfortunately, Matt Damon's character gets left behind. And because of uh an unexpected storm, they're trying to depart, and they don't essentially have enough time to get him into the ship.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:03

Mm-hmm. And well, they think he's dead, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

They think he's dead. They they think he's dead. That's the premise as to also why they decide to leave him to Pine, because if they don't leave, they all die.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:14

And so eventually the movie progresses pretty quickly, and you realize that he's not dead, and he has to find a way to survive on Mars with the resources that he has available to him within the base, but eventually also outside of the base, because his ultimate goal, once he establishes communication with home base, that he's still alive, is to get back home. Now, uh a big part of the movie is NASA's back and forth of whether they should go rescue him or not. Or or even how. Or even how, correct. And that's where Jeff Daniels character and Sean Bean for that matter play a significant role in the decision to go and get him. Yeah. But a lot of the movie is Matt Damon by himself on Mars. Trying to science the shit out of it. That's the famous thing. If I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna science the shit out of this, or something along those lines.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:21

So reading the book, uh, because like you said, there's a lot of scenes of him on Mars by himself, and he's like recording everything. Like in the movie, it's like a video record. But I'm not sure if he's doing that in the book or if he's just recording audio. But he's he keeps a running journal, the guys in NASA trying to figure it out, but then they have like a lot of news coverage in the book as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:46

Which they do a pretty good job at showing bits and pieces of that in the movie as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:50

Bits and pieces, but in the book there was a lot more of that. Particularly, they had one bit that cracked me up, and it's really the humor of the Martian that saves that movie, separates it from everything else. Because it's such a dire fucking situation.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:08

But it's such a funny movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:10

Absolutely. I think Matt Damon does a a beautiful job at displaying the humanity of making the best out of the worst case scenario.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:18

Exactly. It's a very optimistic film. He doesn't sit there and cry about his situation, he just goes for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:25

But in the book, they have a scene where they're talking to the psychologist on the news who cleared everybody for this mission. And, you know, he had to spend extensive time with all of the crew members before they were cleared to go. And so the news is asking the psychologist, you know, oh, you probably know him on a minute level better than even he knows himself. What do you think he's thinking about at this exact moment? And the psychologist is like, oh, you know, he's gonna be thinking, you know, how do I get out of this? Like every moment is gonna be spent thinking about the seriousness, about the gravity of his situation. And then the book literally cuts to him recording a message, and he's like, Whales are mammals, so how does Aquaman control whales? Makes no sense. It's it's just the silliest shit. And I just remember laughing so fucking hard at that.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:27

Now, I have a question about the book. So I started reading Project Tell Mary, which I have on my shelf and I have not read. Yeah, and it's it starts off very scientific. And I'm wondering if Andy Ware sticks to that in the Martian art. Is there a lot of bits and pieces about the science behind everything that they're doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:48

I I I've read The Martian and I read his other book, Artemis.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:52

Artemis. I own Artemis too. I haven't started that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:56

That's kind of like a heist on on the moon, I believe, if I remember correctly. But it there is a lot of science. I believe he worked for NASA or was a rocket scientist of some kind before.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:09

So he has the the capability of what he's writing about, so to say.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:12

Yeah, so so he spends a lot of time on the science of the fixes to get out of these situations.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:21

Yeah. And I think the movie does a pretty good job at that on a general level, with you know, Matt Damon's character as a botanist and the science behind him being a botanist and like using, you know, uh human feces and all these things, and he makes the joke about who stinks the worst and all that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:40

Um, but now he colonized Mars.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:43

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you know, the movie does a really good job at playing with your emotions because you think, you know, when you find out that he's alive, he has this he's imploded by this metal rod that he has to fix himself, and then the movie goes on this trajectory of like, oh, like, oh, he's awesome, he's gonna make it, and then you have the explosion. Oh, yeah. Because he's living off of potatoes and ketchup. When the ketchup runs out, he's like, shit, I'm I'm out of ketchup.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:15

Yeah, no, it's just plain potatoes.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:18

Yeah. But when his his source of nutrition runs out, unfortunately, he has to pivot, and you're like, oh shit, is he gonna make it out of this? You know, and so he unfortunately, but fortunately, he has to pivot. And basically the only option he has is to try to get to a rendezvous point where hopefully NASA decides to come and meet him there at a specific place in time, and that's his only way out. If not, he's gonna die.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:49

Yeah. They they did do, like you were saying, they did a great job balancing the drama of the situation, the suspense of the situation, but also adding the comedy and the lightheartedness.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:01

Yeah, especially with like the the music choice, right? He keeps joking about Jessica Chastain's music choice.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:08

Yeah, how it's all like uh disco music from the 70s.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:14

But the the science seems, once again, we gotta talk to Dr. Tyson, but it feels like the science is accurate.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:22

No, it it seems pretty pretty spot on, like like you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:26

But it also is delivered in a way where pretty much everybody can understand it.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:33

Yes. And I think this movie does a really good job at that to where some other movies do not, in some cases. For example, one of my other favorite movies is Interstellar, which I've already talked about in another episode, so I didn't put it on this list, although it it has to be mentioned on this list. Fantastic movie. Some of the pieces of Interstellar can be difficult to understand for somebody who isn't science-oriented.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:00

Well, I I think because you don't want to talk down to the audience.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:04

Correct, correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:06

But I do think that the Martian does a better job of not holding your hand, but at the same time making it so that uh an intelligent person, or at least a halfway intelligent person, could understand what's going on without them literally spelling it out for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:27

And I think the vice versa of that is for somebody who may not be inclined to the sciences, you don't lose anything by watching the Martian by not understanding those things. It does a really good job at even if you miss those parts, it's still a very entertaining movie. I agree. Uh, to where pieces of like Interstellar might go over people's head and in some cases might lose an audience because it's so advanced in that sense. I mean, you know, Nolan had actual, and I'm not saying I don't know if the Martian did or not, but like Nolan had very well respected physicists and other people design the black hole, and the black hole from Interstellar, the the art of the black hole, is actually used. It was it's been used for real science. That's how advanced, you know, Nolan takes it so seriously with Interstellar. So it goes to say, like, I think there's pieces of Interstellar for me, even myself, that I don't fully understand because I'm not advanced in that sense to understand the dynamics of space and time and all those things. But um, going back to the Martian, it does a good job, regardless of whether you're inclined to science or not. It's a good movie that you can enjoy, whether you understand it or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:49

I I mean, I've probably seen it seven times since it's come out.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:52

I've seen it a few times.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:54

I love that movie. I really do love that movie. It's uh Jen Jen loved it too.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:00

Because it was so positive about science.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:02

And it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:04

It's beautiful to look at.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:06

Um on OLED in 4K, it's amazing. It's one of the best looking movies I I own. The color grading for Mars, I mean, it it's it's it's phenomenal. I I just I I love everything about that movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:21

Yeah. Ridley Scott, he could he could direct a movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:25

They aren't always good, yeah. But they always look good.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:29

And in my opinion, that's the best movie he's done recently in.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:33

Oh, well, definitely recently, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:36

You know, I don't know how long, but I don't know what tops that.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:40

I don't know. Didn't he do legend with Tom Cruise? Yeah, he did, right? I don't know, man. Legend looks pretty good. Yeah. No, it no, it really doesn't. I just watched that not too long ago. It's that that movie literally has no second act.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:55

I know your humor well enough to know when you're joking or not joking, but that's why I say, like, I don't I don't know if he's done anything since that. That's how many years would you say since his last movie that he that really Scott has done that's as good as The Martian?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:10

Well, since The Martian he's done House of Gucci, he did the Napoleon movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:16

Uh what else did he do? Gladiator 2.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:21

I don't think any of those are better than The Martian.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:25

No, I wouldn't think so. Was the Counselor after that? Um was it? It might have been with Fastbender. I I didn't see that, but I heard awful things. But now I'm hearing, you know, that's actually quite good and that it got a bad rap the first time around.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:41

Here's the thing Fastbender is always fantastic in whatever movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:46

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:46

So you gotta give the movie a chance if Fastbender is in it.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:50

I would agree. Uh I just never saw it for whatever reason. Like, I like you said, I don't really listen to what people say, but I remember at the time, like everyone's like, oh, this is awful.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:00

Yeah. I mean, I liked I liked House of Gucci.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:05

Uh I wouldn't, my brother loves it.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:07

Yeah. Uh I think it's uh uh a great movie. It's well casted, well directed. The set design is amazing. I am in the I think the solo corner of saying that the best part about that movie is Jared Leto. But um, you know, uh there's other really good parts about that movie. Adam Driver's fantastic, but always I I have a soft spot for Jared Leto in that movie specifically, but I don't think he's done anything better than The Martian recently.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:42

All right, so Wade's number four. Let's hear it. A lot of soul searching on my list.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:50

But you know me, I like sci-fi movies, but I also like mystery.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:56

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:57

I I like when they build a mystery.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:00

And I just re-watched this movie not too long ago, and I know it's probably gonna get a lot of laughs from people who have seen it when I say this movie. Can I guess it? Sure. Is it Total Recall? No, but that's another great movie that should be on the list. It's on my list. Well, it's it's not Total Recall. I was gonna say Stargate. Oh, okay, yeah. Stargate.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:26

Yeah, that's a classic.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:27

I love Stargate. Yeah, you know, the the whole first third of that movie where it's about, you know, what is this thing deciphering the hieroglyphs and unlocking the gate, like all of that. Where does it come from? You know, all of that stuff. It piques the imagination.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:50

Uh I love the two main characters. You got James Spader, who plays like the nerdy crazy scientist who thinks aliens created the pyramids. Mm-hmm. And then you got Kurt Russell's playing a suicidal colonel in the army. Mm-hmm. And, you know, they wind up going to another planet and they can't get back because they they gotta read a whole new set of hieroglyphs. Yeah. And yeah, it's it's it's a fun movie. It's an action movie, it's kind of silly. It's Roland Emmerich. It's Roland Emmerich, it's the guy who did Independence Day.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:25

Yeah, so when you know that, there's a clear expectation of what type of movie you're getting.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:30

Exactly. But you also don't get Independence Day without this movie because this movie overperformed. Yeah. When it came out, it was a big box off a success. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, I know that Emmerich and his writing partner Dean Devlin had like two or three more movies planned.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:49

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:50

And when they went down to pitch a sequel, the studio was like, you know what, we want to do TV shows. And so we get the Stargate syndicated TV shows, which had their fans.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:03

It's like SG1 or something like that, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:45:06

Yeah, the first show was SG1. I know they did Atlantis. There was an Atlantis show.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:11

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:12

Uh, there was one with Robert Carlyle. I forget what that was called. Stargate Universe or some shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:20

It was like five or six.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:22

But let's give Stargate the credit that it's due. Um, you know, this is a 30-year-old movie, practically.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:31

Uh and I want to say it's like 94, right? 94. So it is a it's a 31-year-old movie, almost 32. And it holds its own visually. Visually, it holds its own. The story is great. The perfor like the the script is really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:48

It is, but uh, you know, me coming from uh somebody who enjoys the visual of movies quite a bit, like the visual effects are fantastic in that movie, and I don't think they really used much CGI. It's practical effects.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:01

Really even the the gate when it's all watery like that, that's practical. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:06

Yeah, yeah. So I that's why I'm saying, like 30 years later, you know, the movie holds up really well for what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:14

Yeah, it's it's it's a great movie. I'm really sad that we never got a sequel to that.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:21

Uh I know that uh Devlin, the writer Dean Devlin, he had said uh when Independence Day 2 was coming out, you know, there was an expectation that that was gonna be so successful they were gonna do an Independence Day 3. And then they thought after that we can do sequels to Stargate, but we probably and I knew that it was dead the moment they said, but in order for Stargate 2 to work, we would have to remake Stargate 1.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:50

Which would be unfortunate because I feel like Stargate in 1994 is as perfect as that movie would ever get.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:58

Yeah, it it it really was, and I I think it came out at a perfect time. Uh I think the night the 90s were big for sci-fi flicks.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:08

Um, and uh, like I said, you know, I I think it really does hold its own as a as a cult sci-fi movie because it doesn't really get mentioned along with some of the other ones we've talked about in in that conversation for really good sci-fi movies, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:26

I hear every once in a while they refer to it as silly, they're like, oh, this is such a silly movie, but I don't find it any more silly than Iron Man.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:35

No, I I I would agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:37

But I I really like Stargate.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:40

Which brings us to your fifth movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:42

Yes. Now, this fifth movie of mine is uh I think my guilty pleasure of sci-fi movies. Okay because like I said, I had a you know eleven or twelve movies coming into this list. Okay. Um number five for me is Space Cowboys.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:04

Oh, the the Eastwood movie. Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:09

That for me is uh such a fun movie. Um I love the cast. You have obviously Tommy Lee Jones, uh James Gardner, Donner Donald Sutherland, I mean James Cromwell. I mean, it's such just a fun movie um about you know these older pilots that get to fulfill a dream of serving their country. And uh I don't know. It Space Cowboys just has a special place in my heart for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:44

What I love about Space Cowboys that I remember, because it's been a long time since I saw Space Cowboys. That was one of my mom's movies. She loved that movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:53

One of the things that I remember from that movie specifically was like the opening sequence of that movie where they're showing those guys, the Tommy Lee Jones and the Donald Sutherland and the Clint Eastwood and uh James Gardner, and they're getting ready to get in the the capsule.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:10

And come to find out they're gonna shoot a monkey into space in their place. Yeah, exactly. And so, like, they had this chance where they were gonna go out into space and they missed it, and nobody fucking told them. And so they just harbored this not necessarily regret because it's not something that they gave up, but they just harbor this ill will towards NASA and the whole space exploration community because they've been done wrong, and then they get another chance.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:42

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:44

I I'm gonna have to watch that movie again. It's been a long time.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:47

Yeah. I I I just it's a fun movie, you know. Um I don't think it's very necessarily think it's one of Clint E Eastwood's greatest directed movies, but um Uh it's probably one of his his most fun movies that he's done, I would assume.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:04

It's it's no outlaw Josie Wales, I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:07

Yeah, most definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:09

But no, it's a it's a good movie, man. I I was very happy to hear you say space cowboys.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:16

Yeah, it's a guilty pleasure of mine, you know. And honestly, like you don't find a movie with that cast and their interactions hardly ever. Like four classic guys, uh timeless actors that deliver, you know, best for performances, arguably. Um, you watch the movie just alone for for them, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:43

Yeah, absolutely. But what I was glad about with you saying Space Cowboys is I was sure you were gonna steal my fifth movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:52

Okay, well, okay, before you say the fifth movie, let me give you what's what else is on my list.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:58

Okay, yeah. What else what else you got?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:00

Um I got now this is this was the hard one for me to leave out because it's I remember watching it in theaters. It was a a small release. I watched at the La Puente AMC at at the mall. Okay. Uh it was a Chinese movie, The Wandering Earth.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:17

Oh, I had heard of that. That's the that's the one that was like super expensive, right? For like the most expensive Chinese movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:24

It was essentially the Chinese's response to like a blockbuster level space movie, and it was amazing, in my opinion. It was so good, so good. But it's a similar type of story where the sun is dying and they want to move Earth somewhere, right? Uh fantastic movie. I loved that movie. Yeah, um, and then uh the other items that were on my list were the right stuff, which we talked loosely about here and there, and I didn't feel like it needed needed to be mentioned because we talked quite a bit about it. Um I really liked Ad Astra with Brad Pitt and Tommy Lee Jones.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:05

Yes, I agree. That was a really good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:08

Yep. Uh The Creator, I thoroughly enjoyed. I still haven't seen that. Um Elysium with Matt Damon, another Matt Damon movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:18

I was not as impressed with that movie as I wanted to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:22

I thought it was fun. I think the uh the premise of this individual that was like, oh no, I I'm gonna do whatever it takes to get what I need. Yeah. Um, and that like dynamic of like the rich and the poor, I thought that was really well done.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:43

The premise of that movie is great.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:45

Yeah, yeah. And that's what I think I really enjoyed about that movie. Um, and obviously I had Galaxy Quest on there, but you mentioned it, and then I mentioned Total Recall. Those were the rest of my list.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:54

So I I was like on the edge of my seat because I thought you were gonna mention my fifth movie during your honorable mentions.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:01

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:53:01

Really, but before I tell you my fifth movie, I'm surprised. Like the the number one movie that should be on all of our lists, and I didn't mention it. Yeah, I left it off 2001. 2001, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I didn't mention it either because I decided to go for the less obvious picks, but 2001 needs to be mentioned at all times.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:23

Absolutely. That is the quintessential sci-fi movie, space movie, call it whatever you want. It it it it defines the genre.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:32

Uh what's amazing about that movie is when they show Earth from space, at the time, at least I believe so. I'm I'm 97% sure that I'm right in this. 97, huh? I'm 97% sure that I'm correct in this. But when they dramatized what Earth looked like from space and 2001, a space odyssey, we did not know what Earth looked like from space.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:00

No. Uh 2001, a space odyssey came out in 1968.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:05

Yeah, the year before we landed on the moon.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:09

Yes. And and I think the first image of Earth from space, um, the first uh fully illuminated color image of Earth didn't come till 1972 with Apollo 17.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:24

So there was like a four years in between.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:27

There was other photos, like the first most the most well-known photo of Earth taken from astronauts who landed on the moon was from Apollo 17. Yeah. To my understanding.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:41

So yeah. 2001 was innovative in millions of ways.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:45

Oh, and even to this day, it stands up with everything it talks about. It talks about space travel, artificial intelligence. I mean, it it the list the list goes on. It it's entirely plausible. The entire movie, which is what's scary about it. This movie was was done in '68.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:03

And the whole sequence at the beginning of that movie with early man when they were still primates.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:10

Oh, and they're fighting over water and developing weapons. That that could have been a movie all by itself, and I would have been happy with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:17

Yeah, and not only that, you have arguably the most well-known single score piece in all of movies of all time.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:26

Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, so 2001 needs to be mentioned on this list, but it's not my fifth pick. My fifth pick is the fifth element. Yeah, yeah. Which I was super shocked did not make your list at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:43

You know, I love the fifth element. It's something I thought about, but I think after my visit to NASA, I was trying to piece around more realistic movies, right? And I think that's kind of like my theme for my top five, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:01

Yeah, mine are more of the fantasy.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:04

Exactly. Um, and but fifth element, I've been meaning to buy on 4K because I've heard it looks great. It's a Marvel Um for its time. Uh, and uh yeah, Fifth Element is fantastic. I it's definitely should be on the list.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:21

They have that scene about midway through the movie where they're at the opera and the opera singer comes out and she's like this beautiful blue alien with like it looks like dreadlocks, but it's not. It's supposed to be like part of her uh attached to her head. It's like supposed to be literally like ancients of her head. And she she is just a beautiful blue color, and she's singing, and you got the the planet behind her that kind of looks like Earth. I think it is Earth, right? That's supposed to be behind her.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:53

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:54

And it's just this gorgeous shot. And uh Bruce Willis's reaction in that scene is his real reaction.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:02

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:03

I don't know if you knew that. Like they didn't have him at yeah, that was for his benefit. They did it that way so that they could catch a real reaction.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:12

But the the action in that movie is great, the comedy in that movie is great.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:17

Luke Besson.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:18

Luc Besson was a fantastic, apparently, you know, not the most stand-up guy in the world.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:27

But he was a fantastic director.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:30

Yeah, you can't take that away from him whatsoever.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:33

The style of his movies and you know, the thought process and the idea is fantastic, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:39

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:40

And Gary Oldman is the villain. What a wild fucking villain that is.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:45

Absolutely. And it's not the only villain uh that Gary Oldman plays in one of Luke Besson's movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:51

Oh no. Yeah, his his his uh dirty cop in the professional is just the best.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:57

Yeah, uh, I think that goes down to to this day is one of Gary Ullman's best roles outside of maybe um, you know, his portrayal of Winston Churchill.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:08

I I would probably also put in his portrayal of um uh the guy from the Sex Pistols. Uh Sid Vicious, Sid and Nancy.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:19

Um I one of my favorite memes of all time, it says, Imagine you go to the grocery store. You've had a hard day at work, you go to the grocery store and you're buying apples, and you pick up an apple, and it's the most beautiful apple you've ever seen in your life, and you can't wait to take a bite out of it. So you go to take a bite out of it, and your mouth is watering, and just as you're about to take a bite of this apple, somebody else cut, and then you realize you were Gary Oldman the whole time. That's how good of an actor Gary Oldman is. Yeah, that's a that's a great meme. But yeah, the fifth element is great. I love the costumes, I love the sets. Like, who the fuck thinks of the Chris Tucker character?

SPEAKER_01 1:59:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:09

Ruby Rod.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:10

I was just about to mention that because that's that's uh unmistakable casting. That's that could probably go down as one of the most random castings that worked in all of cinema.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:22

It's so fun in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:24

It's great. It's so obnoxious. It is fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:28

He's great in that movie, man. Like who who thought of that? That was supposed to be Prince.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:34

And it would have been great with Prince, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:36

It would have been I think it would have been interesting with Prince. I don't think it would have been the same, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:40

No, I don't think you would have gotten Chris Tucker's character.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:44

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:44

But I think it I think it would have been a more subtle version of the character, a more of elegant, um, personified version of that character.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:57

It it would have been different, but I I think we lucked out that Prince walked away from that.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:02

Yeah, yeah. That's one of the most um identified roles. I mean, you think of Chris Tucker. Everybody thinks of Rush Hour and Friday and all these movies, right? But you can't not think of the fifth element with his role in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:18

He he he's great, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:21

So yeah, uh, so quickly, um, because yeah, this is this episode might be running a little long already. We'll see how this trims down later, but some of these people gotta go to sleep.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:33

Or watch 2001 a space odyssey. That's where they should start. You you should start. So anybody who's still with us at this point, even if it's two o'clock in the morning, actually that's the prime time to do it. Put 2001 on at 2 o'clock in the morning. Maybe do it a little high. You can't go wrong.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:53

No. And you know, it's funny because I think both of us left that movie off because we I think both assumed that one of us would mention it. Of course.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:03

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:05

I left it off for that reason because I I feel like you could have given a better explanation of that movie than I would have, because I know you are a bigger Kubrick fan than I am.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:17

It was literally when you when you said the topic, it was the first thing I wrote down.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:22

It's the first thing that I thought of too, but like I mentioned, I would have much preferred you to talk about 2001 than me to introduce it because I think you would do it more justice. But regardless, that's the first movie that everybody should watch for a space or sci-fi topic film. It's it's the quintessential movie that you start with, and everything else for this genre comes from that movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:47

So earlier you were talking about what space and sci-fi means for you. The thing I love about sci-fi particularly, and it's 2001 is a fantastic example of that, is the depth of ideas that comes from sci-fi. Yes. I bring this up a couple I brought this up to a couple people, um, because I've in recent years decided that I'm more of a Star Trek person than a Star Wars person.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:17

I would agree.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:18

A couple years ago, I re-watched the original Star Trek movies. Okay. And the fifth one, which is the Final Frontier and commonly held to be a terrible fucking movie, had so many interesting ideas in it.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:35

I like the Final Frontier.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:36

So, for those of you who don't know, this is what impressed me about that movie. It's basically about this guy who hijacks the Starship Enterprise and Captain Kirk and Spock and all that to go on what is essentially a suicide mission because he thinks he has found God. And as they're about to go through this deadly electrical field, he's like, No, have faith, go through, and they go through and nothing happens. And everyone's kind of amazed, and everyone starts to think, wow, is is this guy onto something? And then they get down to the planet and they meet the big floating head, and it's so obviously this is God. And God's like, How did you get here? Oh, we came in a starship, and oh, well, bring it closer, bring it here so that I can commune with it and we can go off into the stars together. And Kirk's like, Why does God need a starship? Oh, who is this insolent human who interrupts me? And Kirk's like, Don't you know your God, right? You should know who I am.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:42

And it's just for a bad movie, those are such huge ideas. Yeah. Like you never explain who the fuck this guy is, but it's very clear by the end of it that that's not God.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:54

Yeah, no, no, no. Absolutely. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:57

I think I feel like you watch a Star Wars movie, and the biggest idea they've had or attempted in every one of the last couple movies is how do we shoehorn R2D2 and C3PO in this movie where they have no fucking business being.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:12

And Star Trek's over here doing, you know, movies about whether or not God exists and can you find him in space?

SPEAKER_01 2:04:20

Or whether God is just like the rest of us. That's really the quintessential question for Frontier, if you're asking me.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:29

But but see, that's also cool because you have a different idea of what they're talking about than I do.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:35

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And and we've got to be able to do that. Yeah. Star Wars is good cop, bad cop, repeated incessantly.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:45

And a lot of these movies we've been talking about, there's you know, questions about who we are, what's our place in the universe. You know, Stargate is all about our place in the universe. Who are we? Where do we come from?

SPEAKER_01 2:04:58

Yeah, absolutely. And I think some of the movies on our list um also play a little bit into that question. Um, if we were to recap, you know, just real quickly before we we get off track. Let's let's recap for sure. My top five were Moon, which uh looks at this without giving it away, artificial intelligence or uh yeah, that's all I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:26

I would say for me, the question that Moon asks is how far even in space is corporate America willing to go?

SPEAKER_01 2:05:38

Yeah, that's a r that's really the the question of of Moon without giving away the the the secret of the movie. Yeah. Um and then uh my other movies were First Man, which was a historical drama, Apollo 13 was was which was also a loosely based historical drama, The Martian, and Space Cowboys.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:03

And my five were Sunshine, Galaxy Quest, Pitch Black, Stargate, and The Fifth Element.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:10

It's a great ten, dude.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:12

Those are those are great ten movies, and then we mentioned some fantastic movies that aren't on our lists.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:18

Yeah, yeah, we did. We did.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:20

I I also didn't find room to talk about contact with Jody Foster.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:26

Oh my gosh, contact, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:28

That's that's another movie that I really, really enjoy.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:31

But or even like close encounters.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:35

Oh, I didn't put that on the list. I love close encounters of the third kind.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:39

Yeah, there's a there's there's a lot of movies that we can continue to talk about that are absolutely fun fantastic, but contact definitely should be mentioned.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:50

Yeah, we we brushed past alien and aliens and all those movies. Yeah. Um we didn't talk about the third movie in the Benedict Wong Outer Space Sci-Fi series, which would have been Annihilation by Alex Garland. Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. That was amazing. That is a great movie, and it's such weird sci-fi.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:15

Weird sci-fi uh has my Hollywood crush, Natalie Portman, in it.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:21

Jennifer Jason Lee, who was everybody's crush for I would say 40 years.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:28

Yeah, yeah. That's a great movie, man. I forgot about that. I forgot about that one. But for that, I mean, we didn't even consider talking about TV shows or anything like that. You loosely touched Stargate, but I would put uh three-body problem up there.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:46

Yeah, that's one I need to watch on Netflix. We did kind of also talk about foundation at the beginning because we were talking about Apple TV also.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:53

Yeah, I loosely touched space about that, and for that matter, uh for all mankind also on Apple TV.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:59

We we also didn't talk about High Life with Robert Pattinson, which was a very weird French sci-fi book.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:08

I loved High Life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:09

It was it was it was something I considered. And then in the same category as High Life, which is a very straight, intelligent, meaningful sci-fi movie. We didn't talk about Lost in Space.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:22

No, we didn't. Or we didn't also not eat any of those things I just said. You know what else we didn't talk about? I'm gonna mention two. And one of them you might be like, oh shit. The first one is Micke Mickey 17. I don't think you've seen it yet.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:35

Not yet. That's another one I need to, it's on the list. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:39

But the other one I left off purposely because I thought you were gonna mention it, which I'm surprised you didn't, is Event Horizon.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:45

I thought about Event Horizon.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:47

I did think about that. That is that is a movie that I have a love-hate relate. Sometimes I watch that movie, I'm like, man, this movie is fucking great. I know because you you've talked about it to me uh a lot. Yeah. But then but then I'll watch it other times and I'm like, it's really not that good. Yeah. But I just watched it this year with Jen for Halloween, and um I'm back on the it's fucking great side of the fence.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:13

And we also left off Gattaca. I thought about Gattaca, but Gattaca deals with space, but it also, you know, Gattaca is one of my favorite movies.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:23

I would put that in the top five or ten of my favorite movies of all time.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:28

If I was doing a letterbox top four, I'd probably say it was third or fourth.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:32

Really?

SPEAKER_00 2:09:33

I'd probably say third or fourth for Gattaca, but it just there wasn't enough space for because it's more of a noir murder mystery.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:41

Yeah, it doesn't fall quite directly into the space sci-fi category.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:47

It's it's more the genetic engineering side of the problem.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:51

Yeah, yeah. Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:53

So we could go on all fucking night about this subject, as we pretty much already have.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:58

Yeah, yeah. We're we're uh this is gonna be a long episode.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:02

Fortunately, I'm not the one editing this one. So, yeah, so from us here at Up All Night Cinema, I'm Wade. This is Adrian. Say goodnight, Adrian.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:15

Good night, Adrian.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:16

All right, guys, go watch 2001.