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What Happens When Science Becomes Your God
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We hit record in the middle of a real work conversation and it immediately turns into something bigger than sales training. We’re still building programs and helping people perform, but we’re chasing a different goal now: total life transformation. That takes more than word tracks. It takes understanding why people cling to the past, why change feels painful, and why most adults stop learning even though the brain is built to keep adapting. We get into neuroplasticity, habit change, and the uncomfortable truth that growth starts when you relearn how to learn.
Then we go somewhere unexpected: the Bible. Not as a prop or a slogan, but as a dense, challenging text that touches psychology, motivation, relationships, and suffering in a way most modern books only remix. We talk about why Bible translation matters, why context and history shape interpretation, and why “read it once” isn’t the same as study. From there, we connect faith to ethical persuasion: listening well, treating people how they want to be treated, and why Jesus teaching in parables maps to reframing in high-level sales and communication.
The back half opens up into culture and morals: what happens when society tries to define good and evil without any higher anchor, how science can become a kind of religion, and why porn addiction shows up as one of the biggest quiet issues people reach out to us about. We don’t pretend to have every answer, but we do push on the questions that most people avoid and we explain why we think values are the foundation for any life that actually works.
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Cold Open And New Direction
SPEAKER_00So we were in the middle of a conversation, by the way. We were. And we decided we should start the podcast while we were going over topics for the podcast.
SPEAKER_01That is how it started. That is. Okay, so let's go back to the conversation though. Because I was sitting here talking and I was like, hey, when are we gonna have some more sales programs come out for Andy? And then Jonathan, we'll continue there. We'll start there.
SPEAKER_00So we'll continue to have sales, we'll continue to have that, but we're moving into a different direction of like total life transformation. And then Greg and I were just talking of like, okay, where do we grow? How do we do it? I'm like, dude, like I'm pretty dang good with my words, but that's a whole new level that you have to get on to understand like human psychology and really what makes people tick, what makes people hang on to their past, and you know, what makes people change. Yeah, that's true. And then I mentioned that you could skip all these. I've come to find out recently that you could skip all these sales, self-development, psychology, I mean, especially psychology, even a lot of other natural sciences, not really natural sciences, but applied sciences, and read the Bible because it's all in there. Well, how'd you figure that out? That was my question. Read the Bible. How many times have you read it though? I've read its entirety once now. Okay. And then I've probably read in the last six months 50 other pieces of books basically. You had me order a book too. Yeah, I had well, I had you order the uh Catholicism one. Yeah.
Neuroplasticity And Lifelong Change
SPEAKER_00Um But there's there's other really good ones out there. But like, for example, neuroplasticity. You know what that is? No idea. Jonathan's using big words today. This is why I need a new podcast partner. So if you're educated and looking to be on a podcast and neuroplasticity is please reach out. I can. And don't worry, we're gonna get to quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement in a little bit. We're gonna have zero reviews on this podcast now. So neuroplasticity, plasticity, I should have got water, my mouth's dry, is basically the study of the brain, but showing that the brain can change over time. Yeah. So about 20, 30 years ago, they used to believe that the brain quit growing or forming at about the age of 15. Okay. And we've since learned that's complete BS. Okay. So that's changed psychology a lot because people used to be always like, oh, your brain is stuck in the way it is, you know, because you're adolescence. Like if you study Sigmund Freud and guys like that, like that's pretty much what it said. Is like you're stuck who you are because of your adolescence. However, in the last couple decades, through neuroplasticity, they've learned that, hey, your brain is always involving. The problem is most adults quit developing their brain because they graduate high school, they graduate college, they get their freaking job, and they think they need to quit learning. That's when yeah. So when you quit learning, your brain quits growing, your brain quits functioning. And that's why change is always so uncomfortable. Because one, you've got to teach yourself to learn and redevelop and you know, make new habits, make new disciplines in your life. Yeah. But if you haven't done it in a long time, it's really freaking hard because you have to start from square one, which is how do I learn? So neuroplasticity, that's a science or a study that they've really last 20 years or something, they've really been like, okay, there's something here. The brain can form new connections in your adulthood. Well, the Bible's been telling you you can change your shit forever. Well, since the Bible, since Genesis and Exodus. And, you know, you know, God gave you free will and you know, Jesus is a savior. And I mean, literally, you read it, it's one of probably the best books to help with like mental, like what is it called? Like depression and depression, anxiety, yeah, stuff like that, like mental challenges and that sort. Like for you disorders, you're just got an extra chromosome, so it's not gonna help. But for me, I'm just messed up.
SPEAKER_01So, would you recommend people read the Bible then?
Why Bible Translation Matters
SPEAKER_00I recommend not only you read the Bible, because the Bible itself is really, really hard to understand. Okay. One, it's all a translation, so anyone who ever tells you, oh, that's you know exactly what it says in the Bible, no, no. Like one of the things, and I'll just say it because I think it's funny, one of the coaches in our group always likes to say, Well, ass is in the Bible, so you can say ass. And I don't say it because I don't really push biblical stuff on people, but there's actually not a single English word in the entire Bible. They do say that. But that's the truth. There's not a single English word in the entire Bible, it's all translations of the Bible.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So that makes sense, yeah. Because of that, you have to one, understand who wrote that translation. You know, there's the current, the new American Catholic Bible, which, in my opinion, follows, you know, the closest line to Jesus because it's the only church that can date its time back to the year 33, essentially, which is when Jesus died and Apostle Paul and all that started the Church of Jesus Christ, later the Catholic Church. But the Catholics even went through it for a while during what was the guy's name? Martin Luther. Martin Luther was big on the you only need to read the biblical text, you don't actually need to, or scripture, you don't actually have to attend church, which, if you read the Bible, even through loose translation, I don't think it says that anywhere.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The Catholics actually went that direction for a while. They removed some of the books, and then I can't remember what year it was, but there was a big Catholic hangout with all the bishops and stuff, and they put the books back in and they also took out some of the Martin Luther things and kind of got back to its original form. Yeah. Because you have to date all of this back to not like so, for example, like there's scripture, and there's also church, right? Yeah. The spoken word, or the stories and the tales and all that. Which one came first? Stories and the tales. Yeah, the church. Yeah. The church came before the Bible. Yeah. So a lot of it was gone through stories. It was gone through words. Work like the telephone game. Yeah, it could get it could get misconstrued a little bit, but that's why the Catholic Church has done such a strong job in trying to figure out, okay, where did the telephone game take place? Yeah. What do we actually have written? What can we piece together? But I'm on a complete new tangent right now. But what it comes down to is if like you read it and then you study it, there's a really good book out there called Winning the War in My Mind, something like that, that literally is all psychology and the science of psychology, neuroplasticity, all connected into biblical text. And it's like, oh crap, this was already written. So it's just like there's other books that you could read to help understand your faith a lot better that I think for most of us people who are not complete religious scholars, it's easier, easier for us to kind of read a couple of those and put the ideas together because the Bible itself is confusing. Yeah, it is. It's hard to read. It's very confusing. I mean, it's translated from Aramaic or other languages, and it just doesn't, you know, flow completely. Like Genesis is incredibly hard to read, Exodus.
SPEAKER_01So what have you learned from sales in the Bible
Sales Lessons From Jesus
SPEAKER_01then? Because you said like the the whole reason we went down this tangent of the conversation was because you said all this, you know, studying Andy and like Tony Robbins and Michael Burnoff and all these guys. You could all study it there. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So you break into really more of the New Testament. Jesus was a really good salesman, and he had to be because that's what he was sent to each other. Yeah, it's to convert Christianity. Sell ideas. But when you are selling something to someone, what like what is kind of like my training today? What was what was it behind? It was it was about listening to the other person's perspective, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So something, I forget who said this, but I heard this once, and it was talking about the phrase that we've all heard growing up treat people like you want to be treated. Yeah. It's the dumbest thing in the world. Yeah. Like, why would I treat someone like I want to be treated? Like, I'm kind of a jackass. Like, I like I don't want details. I want shit short and to the freaking point, and like, don't waste my time. Give me the birth. Yeah, most people don't want to be like that. So if I'm trying to sell like that, then I'm gonna lose a lot of sales. So, like the Bible teaches a lot about understanding other people's place and kind of loving everyone is a big, big part of Christianity, but really like understanding where people come from, and then if you kind of get into the evangelical side of you know converting people and spreading the word of God, that's just sales. Yeah, it's being someone that people can look up to and want to they they want to know like what you have that's so special that that brings you a holiness or brings you a joy in life, or be able to, you know, spread the ability to love, or like I mean, you know, you do way better at networking than I do.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Because you're more fun to be around. Yeah. Well, you're you said it earlier, you're a jackass.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm a jackass. Yeah. I'm working on it. But like the Bible teaches you to not be a jackass and to love thy neighbor like I love myself, and to spread the word. And I mean, in a way, that's what high-level sales individuals do. Like it's true. It's it's definitely not going over too many word tracks and stuff with you.
SPEAKER_01But it's there's no real word tracks for that kind of sales. Like, because it's really it's just asking questions and then listening to the response and then like digesting it and then leading them solving someone's helping someone solve their problem and leading them to a solution that's you know mutually beneficial for both parties. Yeah. It's like we talk about the word tracks, like the ones that we used to do, like when they said I need to think about it. Yeah, it's like those like I call pencil whippers, like it's just but then when you actually talk about those like long reframes that they have, that's really changing that person's perspective. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But I mean that's that's the reframe. So Jesus spoke in parables, right? Yeah. Parables like where he would compare stuff to other things in the world to make the average man be able to understand it, but someone who didn't want to follow the word or was more, I guess you put your ego in the way you wouldn't be able to understand it. Like when you reframe someone, you essentially, in a way, speak in parables because you speak in a different type of situation that kind of relates to what they're going through. So you're basically not saying, like, hey dude, you're freaking broke. You need to do this because it's the only way you're not going to be broke.
SPEAKER_01But you're using an analogy to change your perspective.
SPEAKER_00You're using a different analogy about being broke. It helps it. So it's like just those type of connections, like you could do it. And then plus, like when you just start reading, I've noticed one, um, dude, I'm my speed to read is way back up again. I mean, I studied the Limitless book, which helped quite a bit.
SPEAKER_01But you're actually reading again for once.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I'm reading like a book every two days right now. It's stupid, it's insane. And and retaining most of it. But like your your wordplay becomes bigger, you you just always have random new things to say. And here's another, I mean, here's another thing, and it goes back to the psychological point of the Bible. Like, everything in there, believe it or not, like, especially the New Testament, it's pretty good stuff, pretty good morals, pretty positive. It's you know, telling you to live a pretty good way of life. And like in sales, like, do you need to come in in a good mood? Like, if if you're like, as a salesperson, it is really hard if you're having a piss ant day to just smile on a Zoom call. Like it always comes out after about 10 minutes. Yeah. We're like, dude, you are so freaking annoying, I am done with this. Yeah. So, you know, it just it I don't know. Because I shied away from it. I never really understood what was in it. What? Like the Bible and faith and all that. Well, yeah, because you like disappeared from it for Yeah, because it was weird, and I got a bunch of everybody's weird translations that made absolutely no sense to me.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's hard to, because there's the people out there and kind of like you and I ran into where it's like they trap you when they're talking about it. And then it's like, I don't like being trapped, you know, and that's what pushed me away too. It was the same person that did the same thing to you, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, I don't like being trapped, and I don't like I don't like a weird uh I don't like I don't like certain translations, and I also don't like half half-ass in anything I get into. So yeah, when you pick and choose what you want to follow, doesn't make sense to me. But yeah, so that's kind of cool. You can definitely find that. What else can you find in there? There's a lot.
SPEAKER_01I mean that was just an interesting conversation that we were having before we decided we weren't gonna film this. We just started talking about this.
SPEAKER_00That's just what we were talking about.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, then now you hear the conversations we have traditionally while we're sitting at work.
The Shift From Sales To Life
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Well, and it goes into like everything though. Like we talk a lot about well, and this is where this goes deeper is as our company develops and we're changing more lives, like our client, like I don't even think 50% of our clients are in sales and business anymore. And and I shouldn't say clients because I guess you're not a client until you've done something with us. Yeah. But like, I would say I I don't actually know the number, but I would say well below 50% is actually sales and business. I would say most people reaching out now are just people who have a nine to five, people who are looking for an escape, people who are stuck and tired of their BS ways and how they've been lied to about the world. Yeah. Well, that's a that's true. This podcast is gonna be based all on Christianity. At least, yeah, at least from what we've seen.
SPEAKER_01Or even like the leads I've even talked to, the people that reached out, a lot of them are in like a nine to five, or I had a guy reach out from almost two years ago and he was working at a jail. He reached back out to say, Hey, I finally left my jail job to get into sales. Good for him. That's why I said I was like, dude, I'm like first proud of you, second, like the fact you even thought to text us and tell us that. Yeah. He sent me a little Instagram DM and he's like, I'm finally not in the jail anymore.
SPEAKER_00I'm like. But it's and this is where the c our company is going to transition, and this is also where God helps with the transition of the company, is people in today's society are realizing they're stuck and they don't have to be. Like, Christianity is on the rise greater than it's ever been. The Catholic Church just reached massive freaking the most massive highest amount of Catholics that it's ever had. It's like 1.42 billion worldwide. In the United States, the Catholic Church grew tremendously in cities like Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami, New York, New York. Yeah, they talked about that.
SPEAKER_01Sin City was that two weeks ago?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because yeah, Catholics uh do the baptism and confirmation generally Easter, uh, which we're still within the Easter.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well, that's when he brought it up, though. Is it was Palm Sundays actually when he brought it up and talked about it.
SPEAKER_00So like those numbers are just are are huge. And I read a study the other day, and I dude, this this took me down a freaking rabbit hole. So this podcast is probably gonna do well because this is just random crazy crap. So this took me down a rabbit hole. There was an article I read, I can't remember where it was, but it basically said there's a growing number of people converting to Christianity because they're finding it's the only thing that's real. Yeah. Now, I've pretty much for the last good handful of months decided that like, okay, I'm in, this makes sense. But it was kind of the same path I went down of just, you know, studying a bunch of stuff, and then I mean, all you gotta do is get to the resurrection. Like, if you're trying to figure out if you believe in Christianity and the teaching, first thing you gotta do is figure out if you believe in the resurrection. Because if you don't believe in the resurrection, none of it makes sense, none of it freaking matters. So we'll skip all that. But where I went down to is it's the only thing that seems
Big Bang Doubts And Human Uniqueness
SPEAKER_00real. So I'm like, okay, I've got to explain that to myself now because that's weird. So I started to think about science. And then, because the Instagram algorithm is so awesome, an Instagram algorithm of Joe Rogan talking about the Big Bang theory versus Christianity or Jesus comes up. Yeah. And Joe Rogan says it like this: he's like, here's the thing about the Big Bang and Jesus. He goes, Jesus, resurrection, Virgin Mary, born from the dead, or came back from the dead, blah, blah, blah, all that. That's the Jesus miracle. And then he goes, the other thing you have to believe, and if you go Big Bang Theory, is you have to believe that this entire universe was created from something smaller than the tip of a freaking pin that just exploded one day and put all this randomly here.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So then I went down that and I'm like, yeah, that doesn't, to me, that doesn't make any sense. Like, one, there's a lot more evidence for Jesus, yeah, because science is all theory. So there's really no true evidence for the Big Bang, it's just theory. And the other thing becomes, why would it be so random? And then you start looking at things in the universe. It's not random. Every star, every planet, every moon is in a perfect position where it continues to orbit and it doesn't really typically fall out of orbit and blah, blah, blah. It locks in. Then you have to take it a step further of saying, you know, the Bible talks about how God gave humans, Adam and Eve, or man, dominion over the animals. So let's let's go to let's let's pretend hypothetically the Big Bang Theory is real, right? Okay. Hypothetically it's real. So are aliens. You don't get a talk in this podcast. This is what I've been wanting to dump in my brain for two months. Okay. So little pin cap or little tip of a pin or like a needle, very small, atom goes kaboomy, and the whole universe is there. Bam! Planets, Earth, all that. So out of that big, big kamboomie, one planet that we have observed, I know a lot of things are like, oh, there might be another life, and they never find it. So one planet creates this perfect ecosystem to include our atmospheres and everything else, and water and carbon and all this to create Earth. Bam! So we're on the Big Bang Theory. So originally during the Big Bang Theory, we would have been just some carbon dust. Yeah. And then that carbon would have started to form some sort of life, which was like bacterial life and viruses, and like all these little single-cell organisms turning into multiple cell organisms and then turning into fish tadpoles and then turning into this and this and this and this and this. Yeah. And then eventually we hit a place in evolution that we have humans and a bunch of other animals, like where we are today. Okay. So here's where I have a problem with that. Evolution by description is a mistake in a genetic code that uh benefits the organism, therefore, that mistake keeps getting reproduced through reproduction. Yeah. Okay. So through evolution, wouldn't there be more things like us? Or how did we suddenly jump 17 billion years into evolution? Like, why is there nothing else with a frontal cortex? Why is there nothing else? Like, we're not, if if you look, humans other than our frontal cortex and the way our brain works, we have no advantage to survive in the world. We're weaker than many animals, we suck at water, we suck in the cold, we suck in the heat, we have no evolutionary advantage minus the frontal cortex. So, why out of all forms of life did we get that? And why were we so gapped?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's a good that's a good question.
SPEAKER_00Because evolution would say eventually we'd all go to that direction.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, totally it would.
SPEAKER_00If we all came from dust, yeah, a little atom that went kaboomy. So like I started thinking about that, and I'm like, oh yeah, I really uh I really can't buy into this big bang anymore. And you know, if some scientist man wants to debate me, I think that'd be cool. We could do that. Like I'm not obviously I'm not that educated with it. I'm just kind of using common sense here. Same way I got through COVID. Common sense. Yeah. Smells like the cold, looks like the cold. Probably the cold. It's probably the cold. Yeah, probably the cold. Probably the flu. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably. Bad flu season. But yeah, so pretty much this all happened because of COVID.
COVID Distrust And Conspiracy Tangents
SPEAKER_00Like my my distrust, 100% distrust for our government, started about then. Oh, yeah. And then it went to the moon landing. And I'm like, yeah, that made no sense. It still doesn't make sense. No, they orbited people around the moon and they had worse communications now than they did then.
SPEAKER_01Like, did you see the videos from 19 whatever it was in 76 and now? '69 or whatever, the freaking. I think the moon landing's fake. What about aliens? Where with aliens, Jonathan.
SPEAKER_00See, aliens could see aliens could be angels and demons. Okay. Let's go down this rabbit hole now. I haven't gone down this rabbit hole enough to be anywhere to have a conversation. But it could be. I need to see now I have a new perspective on things. Eight a year ago I would have told you, yeah, aliens are real. 100%. But now I need to go deeper into it. Okay, so forget aliens.
SPEAKER_01GFK assassination.
SPEAKER_00I mean that was CIA Mossad. There we go. See. Yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_01Ooh, a good one. I loved I love talking about this one. 9-11.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that was CIA Massad. That's my favorite one to talk about. That one doesn't even make sense. Like, the buildings fall down. Tell me more. Okay. Did you see that plane that hit the building in Russia? Yeah. Did the building fall down? No. Was it just okay? Here's the thing about the twin towers, and I learned this from Donald Trump. And Donald Trump said this right after 9 11. He goes, That doesn't even make sense. That's not how these buildings fall. But the Twin Towers were built in a very unique and structurally solid way where the average steel building has steel beams on the inside of the building that hold it all up magically. The twin towers were built with steel beams around the entire exoskeleton as well as the inside, so it should have been way stronger than anything else that existed. They intentionally did that. So there was that plane. I don't know if it was a 747 or whatever it was, but it was it was a commercial-sized plane, smashed into the building in Russia. Building doesn't even budge. There was that Indian flight a couple years ago that it crashed on takeoff and it landed on some mud hut and the mud hut held on to it. That was like a month ago that the plane came in, landed, firetruck crossing the runway, they hit, killed the two pilots, super sad. Plane destroyed, fire truck okay. Like aircraft are not that strong. They're not made to hit.
SPEAKER_01Did you ever see a plane go through a go through a hailstorm? Yeah, they get destroyed. Yeah, they're like destroyed in hail.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's not. So the two strongest, biggest, bestest American buildings in the world just fell. And then they screwed up. What was it, Building 7? Yeah, the other day. Like hours later, just imploded itself. Yeah. Like it was like screw up, my brother's gone, I'm out. Yeah. So yeah, 9-11, inside job. When do you think this is all gonna come out, Jonathan?
SPEAKER_01So here's As Jonathan likes to say, he's not wrong very often.
SPEAKER_00So I predict everything. It's called smart, and then I don't talk about the stuff that I screwed up that I was wrong about. It's okay. It's all your shot. It doesn't happen much. Okay.
Why Society Needs Moral Grounding
SPEAKER_00So it goes back to the Bible. The further humans separate from okay, because humans through the entire history of humanity have always been spiritual creatures. We've always needed something above ourselves, otherwise we become basically self-driven crazies. And like if you're hanging out with like, let's say 8.1 billion people, you know, amount of people on earth, and you only care about yourself, yeah, like society's not going to work out. So society itself has to have a spiritual aspect to it. And you look back, I mean, you can go ancient Egypt, ancient Rome, like they all prayed to gods, they all had their different gods, and it it kind of kept them in line to be able to explain certain things. You look back through, let's say, the modern era, so Christianity post Jesus, it appears that the nations that stay closer to uh Christian belief and values prosper. And as they separate, they get more demonic, more broken, more confused. It happened in Germany in the 1900s, it's basically gone through England right now, and it's happened in America because people lose their values to society, and then you start making societal changes and laws and rules based on the oppressed. And I'm not talking about the oppressed of like you live in some crappy country and you've got a dictator. I'm talking about the oppressed that put themselves in that put themselves in a victim state. You know, in America right now, the number one thing taking out young men, what do you think it is? Number one thing taking out young. Number one thing destroying young men. In terms of like Number one thing destroying young men. Suicide? No. Like destroying young men from being successful, or from living a normal life, or from prospering, or whatever. That is destroying men their mental well-being. The news. Pornography.
SPEAKER_01Close.
SPEAKER_00It's pornography. Yeah. It is destroying men in so many ways that like you're exposing the average eight-year-old in today's world has seen pornographic image. Yeah. That's the number now. So you're exposing young men and women to porn, which is one, destroying the man's purpose, which is to go do something great in life so he can attract a female or you know, someone to mate with, because animals. Yeah. So you're destroying that drive. You're giving them unrealistic expectations of what sex is. You're also destroying young females because they think they can make a quick buck. Basically. Yeah, OnlyFans. Basically selling their body and their soul. And it ruins them, a lot of them. You're well, yeah, it ruins everybody. Like you can't, like, you can't be a like yeah, it's gonna be hard to come back from that. Let's just say that. It's always gonna be on your conscience. And and here's the thing it's always going to be there. Like young female porn stars, I guess is what you would call them, have a higher suicide rate than the average female. So you have, but the thing is, when they kill themselves, their videos don't die. No, they're still there. So you still have them then destroying other young men on something that you know they couldn't live with the grief themselves. You also I don't know, it's messed up, but it's destroying society. So where was I going with this? I don't know. Oh, yeah. Why do you have to have religion in society? I'm just a passenger. So here's the thing. What's the difference between good and evil?
SPEAKER_01Difference between good and evil.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I can't remember. I don't remember what it was.
SPEAKER_00Make something up. From a non-biblical stance, what's good, what's evil?
SPEAKER_01What you what you portray is good and what you portray is evil would be the difference between it.
SPEAKER_00Ah, you can say the same words I did. Good job. What would you consider something good?
SPEAKER_01Um something that would be beneficial to society? Like? Like I don't know. Helping helping someone who's sick. Okay. Helping the elderly. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So let's say it's like good to society. We can go down that route, but I'm gonna piss too many people off on that route. So let's go the internet, right? Okay. Does the internet have good benefits?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but it's also it's like a good and evil, but it's how you use it. Okay, so it's like a gun. Like people talk about guns all the time.
SPEAKER_00The item itself or the tangible object, kind of tangible object, can be both good and evil. Yeah. Okay, so what's evil? Evil is the opposite of good. Okay, well, give me something evil. Pornography. Okay. Drugs. Drugs, okay. But drugs can also be used as good, but something else. Murder.
SPEAKER_01Okay, rape.
SPEAKER_00Okay, rape, you probably see as bad one. That was a bad one. Let's go like taking someone's life, right? That's probably. Okay, murder. Okay, murder. Murder, okay. Well, well, wait, hold on though, because we have the death penalty. So, like. Well, the death penalty, that's a weird one. That gets biblically twisted. Let's just talk about someone comes and invades my house and they're gonna kill my wife, and I shoot them in the face. Is that evil? No. Okay. So they were already they were already doing evil. So no action is inherently good or evil by itself. Well. So then how do I dictate what would be good versus evil?
SPEAKER_01By the circumstances of which the it's being used.
SPEAKER_00Okay. But if I'm a dictator, and I think this land next door is mine, and I think it's my right to go murder and kill and take and rape and pillage, it's not an evil act by my own standards. It's how society sees it. Okay, but my society says that was a good act. Yeah, but what about the rest of society? What is the rest of society's belief? Uh what they So that's where you have to have some sort of spirituality.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because none of this actually matters. None of this is definable by what our typical human mind can comprehend. But what we've gone to in America is we've tried to we've tried to. Everyone in America is religious, by the way. An atheist is just religious to science. Yeah. Okay. So that's what it is. So science, for the most part, tries to explain things in a yes or a no to a certain degree, like this is or this is not.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The problem is most of humans,
When Science Becomes A Religion
SPEAKER_00everything that we see is not a yes or no, is not a definite. What is good versus evil? There's no definite answer because I can always twist it, I could always make some good versus evil, or I could say, hey, if you believe this way, it's good and evil. Like the same situation could be good versus evil in multiple eyes. So when we use science or we lock onto science as religion, the problem is we have to give everything definite answers. And that's kind of what's going on in our society right now is you've got the far left and the far right. When a lot of it it's like, dude, if you guys were to kind of meet in the middle, you got some good ideas together. Like we should quit cutting little boys' dicks off. Like that's a bad one. Can we all agree? Nope. You crazy sons of bitches, shut up. You crazy. But the rest of us, the the 90%, we we agree that like we shouldn't neuter freaking 12-year-olds. That's a pretty good one. We shouldn't inject 12-year-old women, girls, with testosterone. That's a good one. We shouldn't, you know, in Canada, they're they're allowing people to, they have the little suicide chambers. Yeah. Right? I think that's only for the elderly. There's some other country that was trying it for. I thought it was like Norway. Yeah, there's some other country that was trying it for like anybody and they had to like do some stuff. But like the suicide is like, it's just, it's temporary. You eventually get over it, I promise you. But like they're just you want to off yourself, go freaking do it. Like it's the dumbest thing in the world.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So how is that good and evil? Because we've gone through science. And there's no morals in science. But society has to function as a moral society, has to function as like, love thy neighbor as I love myself, other as I love myself, otherwise it wouldn't exist. Like, men, men without boundaries, without morals, what would we do? Go back to the Vikings. We would rape, pillage, and murder. Yeah. And we would take land and we would feed ourselves and we would take who we want, how we want. That's what we would come down to. And that's kind of what science tells us to do. Yeah. But then you're also told through things like communism, also you know, known as feminism and BLM and all that, it's all tied into the same socialist shit, is that you know, men don't need to protect, men don't need to lead, men don't like, well, where has that gotten us in society? Nowhere. It's gotten a bunch of men that don't want to work, that want to sit in their room with porn all day and you know, be told it's all right. Like you remember, I don't know if you were told this, but growing up, like, because we were kind of growing up with like here's the other thing I'm reading the other day, right? Let's go on the porn, and we'll go back to when we're growing up. We're talking about porn. So think about anything in your life, like you've had addictions before, or like you've done things that you shouldn't do, or whatever. Think about anything immoral to a degree that you've done. What I mean, it costs you, right? Like you want to go to the bar and get drunk. Yeah. You want to eat too much shitty food, like there's a price to it. Why is porn the most sought-after thing, but it's free? 90% of the porn on the internet's free. So we can go deep in that, but that's how I get banned on podcasts, and I can't publish my content. So you think about that. That when we were growing up, because you're about the same age as I am, like we were that that's kind of when porn hit the mainstream, like where you didn't have to like sneak into your buddy's dad's thing and get his Playboy or Penthouse or whatever. So it was like Yeah, you'd watch it on HBO on Friday night. Yeah, you got the HBO and then and then we were we were in like high school, like LimeWire and Kazah and Oh, LimeWire. Yeah, it used to take like 18 hours to download.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Are those things still around? Yeah, they are still uh peer-to-peer sharing. I know LimeWire is at least. But anyways, so like we were the first people that were exposed to it, just being readily available at your fingertips or your computer, and now it's just you know readily available with a click of a mouse. Yeah. Like it doesn't even take 30 seconds to go find a Siri to find it. Yeah, exactly. And you can go get some weird stuff very, very quickly. Yeah. So you've just you've you've basically destroyed a society, and it's bad. But we were told it's exploring your body, yeah, it's exploring your mind, it's seeing what you're into. And then now you've got entire months dedicated to morons parading up and down the street. For example, in Portland, Oregon, you can show your genitalia as long as you're part of a protest or a parade. Really? Yep. I believe San Francisco's the same thing. That's weird. So you'll go down to these cities that are more liberal and excuse me, in parades, it is legal to expose yourself to a child. That's crazy. Dude, I think it's freaking creepy when men, old men, so if you're one of these old frickin' weirdos in locker rooms walking around with their dick out when there's like if you want to go walk around in a locker room, go to like one of those like 18-year-old like like sauna things or bathhouses or whatever the hell they're called, like where all the Romans used to go screw each other because they're all pedophiles. But like, if you want to do that, go be with a bunch of adults. But like, you're walking around lifetime, there's a bunch of children walking around. Like, I get it, you gotta take your pants off, put them back on, take the towel off to you know get dressed for the day. But these old freaking creeps will walk into like go brush their teeth butt ass naked at you. Yeah, it's so weird. Like, I don't I don't know when that became acceptable. I don't know, but it was because we lost morals in society.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, it's weird to think about that. I saw that today at the gym.
SPEAKER_00Dude, I see it every time. I hate it. It's the weirdest thing. Yeah. It's like, who who who told you that was okay? And they give you free towels. Yeah. There's yeah, no reason you can't not like but it's because we lost morals in society. And that's not bad, because why? Because in Portland you can go walk around with your dick out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Bunch of children just watching it.
SPEAKER_02That's why I go to Portland.
SPEAKER_00It's like my daddy's. It's like, who, that's a problem. Freaking creep. Well, but you see how like shitty that joke plays? Like the joke doesn't even shock anybody. No. Why? Because it's a normalized thing in society. You hear about that shit, you don't want to go kill people. Yeah. Because we normalized it. So I do think the dramatic rise in Christianity in the United States is a very big thing.
Christianity Rising And Elite Power
SPEAKER_00I think it might be the only thing that saves us.
SPEAKER_01I think it will.
SPEAKER_00I think it will. I think if it continues, it will. And I believe. I used to always, one of the things I always shied away from Christianity was I had this belief that it was elitist suppressing people, right? They used all these passages and rules and things to control a population. And then as I studied it more, I learned it was actually the complete opposite. Yeah. Was to basically take all power from, you know, whoever thought they were in power and say, like, yo, dude, you got power. It's kind of like why when Moses saved the Israelites, they had them do their little the Jewish little blue cord thing, the thing that makes them remember their commandments or whatever. It's one of the reasons that was blue, is because blue was a sign of royalty. So when God told them they had to make the little tassels with the blue rope tie thingy, it was to make the common people, the people that were slaves of Egypt, wearing the colors of the royals, because he wanted to say, hey, you're all royal in my eyes. So it's actually to unenslave a population from the elites from the royals. So that's what America needs right now because we have this elitist agenda of very wealthy and powerful people that we don't even know the names of all of them, but they're they're pulling the freaking strings. They're running the government, they're running the CIA, they're running the FBI, they're running all this crap. I mean, who would have thought the Epstein files would have been released and it was like just this big list of pedophiles, and we don't do anything about it. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Like, would it this seems like the FBI should be on top of that one. Yeah. And like everybody should be indicted. Like, you know, like as an average citizen, right, if you get accused of pedophilia to the point where like people are dropping your name and said you molested them, you're going to get arrested. You're gonna get you're gonna get arrested, you're gonna get arraigned, you're gonna get a court date set, you might get posted bail, you might not. Who knows, depending on your flight risk. Yeah. You're going to get registered as a sex offender, so you're not gonna be able to go, you know, near schools, own guns, any of that crap until your trial's over. Yet we've got this list of hundreds of people who meet the description I just said, and nothing's being done.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You think anything's ever gonna be done? I don't know. I think it goes to who becomes who who takes our office next. And I think I think it goes to who how America votes. Do we continue to vote on science and I'm on the left, I'm on the right, like a bunch of morons, or do we start voting because of morals again? Do we start voting because of a lifestyle that we have? Like we escaped Great Britain because of all the crap that we're running into today. High freaking taxes, religious prosecution. What else did they do? Most religious prosecution, taxes, shitty food. Yeah. Yeah, real shitty food. Yeah, we want we wanted orthodontists. Um like we escape that because of this, and then and then we come, and here's the other thing.
What Defines A Nation
SPEAKER_00A nation, what defines a nation? I don't know. I didn't even go off my notes today. I'm doing pretty good. What is what does define a nation? A nation has to be a we didn't even have any notes for this. No. I put like three things and then I never picked up my phone. I was just checking my Zoom call. I'm good. So a nation or a country is a area that contains a group of people that live in a similar fashion, right? Would you, as an American, want to go live in I don't know, South Korea? No, South Korea wouldn't be bad. North Korea?
SPEAKER_01Uh no. That's what I meant. No, I would not want to go to North Korea. You want to live in South Korea? So South Korea, I think, would be interesting. With like a shit ton of people everywhere? Yeah, South Korea would be cool to go see.
SPEAKER_00You're an idiot. Would you want to go live in Not North Korea, though? Zimbabwe? No. Would you want to go live in cool to see, though? Bulgaria? Where's no.
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_00Bulgaria's not awful, but it's definitely not America. Would you want to go live in Hong Kong? Permanently. Not go see, visit. I mean, Hong Kong would be kind of cool. It's owned by the Brits. Have you seen Hong Kong? No, it's too many damn people. It's pretty cool. You're not making my point. Or Taiwan. No, they'd all be shitty. Nothing's better in America. But you have to have a group of people that like living in a certain type of fashion. Yeah. And have American values.
SPEAKER_01So what do you say about people when they say they don't want like when they're like death to America and they live in America? Deport? Okay.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I think it's that simple. Deport. Get out. So do you think we start doing that? Oh, hell yeah. I'd agree with that. I'm all about dictatorship, dude. I think well, not complete dictatorship, but I'm all about getting rid of retirement. Like if you don't want to be somewhere, leave. It's but but I say it's that easy. It's not. Yeah. Because all these nations that these morons talk about, like, I'm just going to move to Canada. They don't want you. They won't take you. They won't give you a green card. They won't give you a work visa because you work at McDonald's. They don't need anybody to work at what have they got? T or TJ Hortons? Something like that.
SPEAKER_01You need to prove like your value when you go there.
SPEAKER_00Same with like Europe. Most European nations don't want you because you flip burgers at McDonald's. They want you because you have value to their nation, or you're bringing a sum of money to the nation, or some good to the nation that's going to help the nation grow.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So this whole idea behind like, oh, all these open borders, cool. We got open borders too.
SPEAKER_01We got 50 of them. Open borders only work until they have a protest and then you can't go walk around the protest.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's it doesn't even make sense. We don't have that. But yeah, no, America's a great place, dude. And yeah, if you're saying death to America, just like go away.
SPEAKER_01Leave.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you don't you don't like it here? Go away. Go back to your crappy ass.
SPEAKER_01What do you think about America if it's split into two?
SPEAKER_00No, I think America's pretty cool on itself. I think we've got a good thing going. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think the 56. That's how someone talking about that the other day where they were like, hey, like West Coast and New York.
SPEAKER_00The problem is Arizona's gonna get lumped in with California by accident. I'm gonna hate it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, I think I think it keeps a good balance. Also, just the vast natural resources that America has is you gotta keep that. That I mean, we just it plays such a big role in our trade and economy and how powerful we are as a nation. Plus, having, I mean, we've got a very strategic military-wise, a very strategic advantage. We got two giant lakes on each side of us. We got Canada up north. They ain't doing shit. And we got Mexico down south. They're not really that well established. So, you know, they're not going to be a huge military threat to us. But yeah, then any true military threat we have, we have big ass oceans. Yeah. So it's it's it's very strategic. We need to acquire Greenland. That'd be kind of cool. But yeah, I mean it's it's a good place to live. And it's probably not the best. You know, I lived in Germany for four years. Germany was freaking fine. And, you know, wherever you live can be your best. It doesn't, you don't America is not the best. Yeah. In my opinion, it's the best because I'm American and I like our way of life. But our way of life is being taken by us because we're becoming a I mean, we're becoming a pagan nation where people are self-centered and people only care about themselves and how they benefit or how society benefits them, but not how they can benefit society. That shit crazy. Yeah. It is pretty crazy. I'm not gonna go there. That would get bad.
SPEAKER_01Hit the brakes on that one.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00So if you don't like it, get out, but you're screwed because you can't. So I don't know. Wood chipper. I guess. Like if you don't like it, I don't know. We should have like little prisons for people who hate America. Like slightly nicer than the typical prison that we think. Well, they kind of did that. You remember when they did that in uh Seattle and Portland? They had the during COVID, they had the Occupy zones or whatever. Yeah, they let it go on for a while until someone got murdered.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then people were like, We need help. We're like, but you can't. Yeah, I do remember that. I remember that.
SPEAKER_01Freaking idiots. They'd like barricade it with the cement barricades and stuff.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they had the Red House in Portland, and then they had Chop or something like that. Chad, Chaz something, hospital occupied. I don't know, it was Chopper, Chad or something like that. In Seattle, and it went on for like, I think it was about a month. And then all of a sudden, anarchy didn't work. And people were hungry. And the people who were supposed to be doing this weren't doing it. Yeah, I do remember that. Oh my gosh. And then like when it's funny. And we'll and we're on this
Government As God And Socialism
SPEAKER_00new okay. So here's what happens. When you take religion away. Okay. So when you take God away. Do you know what theology is? Study of religion? Yeah. Technically, it's the study of the highest being. Yeah. Okay. So theology is a study of religion or the highest being. So if I take God away, who becomes my highest being? Well, no one. Okay, but who runs our lives? I you just probably wrote him a big check seven days ago. Yeah, the government. Okay, so the government becomes your God. Yeah. When your government becomes your God, what type of government would that become? Like a dictatorship, communism. So so so so so sociology. Sociology. Or not sociology. What's communism like? Is this no, it's not sociology. Socialism. Socialism. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Words are getting hard. I've used too many of them. So you become a socialist nation. And everyone loves the idea of a socialist nation. They think it would be great. The problem is, do you really think they would let us go to a socialist society and not immediately convert to communism? Take an inch to give a mile?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. The comedian, British guy, funny laugh. What the hell is his name? Friggin hilarious. I love his stuff.
SPEAKER_01I can't tell you, I have no idea. I don't watch comedians.
SPEAKER_00I'll send them to you sometime. Anyways, I have no clue. He described communism like this. He goes, Communism is the perfect form of government. The problem is we're the wrong species. Communism would work. I haven't really dug that deep into this, so I'm thinking about it as I say it. Communism and socialism would probably work to a degree if 100% of people were Christians. What makes you say that? Well God fearing Christians. Well, no, no, I I now correct myself because I'm thinking about it. So Christians, God said we're all sinners, right? Yeah. So because we're sinners, we're not perfect. So communism and socialism would only work is if we were perfect Christians. The problem is in the Christian religion, nobody is perfect except for Jesus. So if you had eight billion Jesuses, communism would work because everybody would place everybody else before themselves and do what they had to do to make society run. Okay. Humans are not like that. Even if it was a 100% Christian world, humans are not like that. So they need some sort of structure. However, the government needs to be, in my opinion, close to the church. And the further we get away from the church and the government, the less, you know, morals and crap. Like during the whole pedophile thing, right? Like the what did they call the disease?
Redefining Evil With New Labels
SPEAKER_00Minor attracted people? Yeah. It's not a disease, people. That's woodchipper.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I remember that came out. Prison. Was that a couple years ago or something? Because they were taking a horrible thing and they were trying to make it sound a little bit cooler. So you weren't as bad of a person. Yeah. Nope, you're a bad person. You're a pedophile, woodchipper.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's not a disease, it's a mental illness. During COVID. Well, most of that stuff's metal in this. I feel like that they deal with it. Completely is. Well, and it goes back to porn. Yeah. Like, dude, I've talked to people all the time addicted to porn. It's probably one of my top things that we get reached out to away from sales and business is porn addiction.
SPEAKER_01I remember when Andy did that call to action on porn addiction.
SPEAKER_00And it was like thousands, thousands and thousands and thousands. Daily every day. And like all of them, it's all the same story. Well, I tried it here, and my wife wasn't this, or I didn't have a girlfriend. So I went down this rabbit hole, and then it got worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. And next, you know, next thing it wasn't even like normal sex. It was some weird animals. Animals or because your mind just has to next dopamine rush. Next, oh, I'm not getting hit anymore. I gotta get it. It's like drugs. It's like, you know, you shoot a little heroin, works for a while, and then you need more heroin, more heroin, more heroin. Yeah, you know, your body gets used to it, and your mind gets used to it. So yeah, it goes down that crappy rabbit hole. So yeah, then we, you know, take pedophilia and we're like, ah, minor attracted people. So when the Epstein's files come out, they're like, they're not pedophiles, they're minor attracted losers. Yeah. Because it sounds better. And you know, we don't have any crime or we don't have any laws written that are against minor attracted people. They're all for pedophiles, but these aren't pedophiles, they're just minor attracted. Like that's uh weird. But like then you go study biblical text and like you shouldn't mess with kids. What does that googling? Clawed. Are you gonna Google what those minor attracted people doing? Let's see what it says. Yes, you're getting on a hit list. But you're probably safe now. Yeah, man, you're gonna probably get the invite. Greg's going to the island.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Map clinical academic term used by researchers and mental health professionals who are individuals who experience sexual attraction to minors under 18.
SPEAKER_00But do you know how stupid that is? So I'm 37, I've got a 15-year-old daughter, an 11-year-old daughter. Dude, I look at people that are like 28 now, and I think they're a child. Why? Because I want my mind so freaking far away from that crap as I possibly can. Like, I debated this with someone one day. 2020 is when it really started to pick up. And they were talking about this, and I basically made the point of like, okay, so what's the difference between 17 years old, 364 days, and 18 years old? There's really not that much difference in the human being, not that much difference in the mental capacity. It's just a fuck freaking standard we set.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And that's what it comes down to is you have to have those standards. And you you can't always explain them all. They're not logically, and then we go back to science. If we believe science, science argues my point. Well, 17 years old and 364 days is basically 18. You know, same mental capacity, they've learned everything, they've experienced everything the same. Nothing likely, science says nothing is gonna likely change in that 24-hour period. But morals say it's no bad. Yeah, don't do. The problem is if I go science, I take an inch, and then I go 363 days, and I go 362, then I go 17 and a half, then I go 13. See where it gets jacked up?
SPEAKER_01It's it's like that off to find you the real on the Instagram where it talks about all this, and then it talks about like the LGBTQ communities, and it's like we just want to marry who we want, and then like it's a sliding scale to where at the end it's like teachers, like the pedifier, kids with pedophile.
SPEAKER_00Dude, they have they're they do at certain school districts, not Scottsdale, from my understanding, because I would this this would be my pull my kids out of school, so if you don't want to deal with my crap, do it. But there's certain school districts that have like gay pride parades and stuff in the hallways at school. I've seen the stupid reels on it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they talk about it like to like elementary kids, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and they're telling you it's normal. And they're telling and here's the thing when you're in that age of development, to you, you don't know the difference. Your brain's still trying to process, your brain's still trying to figure that out, and it's very open to new ideas and new ways. And if that becomes normalized, you're screwed. And it's not a normal thing. Because by the way, let me just help you out. If we normalize homosexuality, the human race ends.
SPEAKER_01Oh, totally.
SPEAKER_00Science or religion both say doesn't really work that well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So I agree on that. That's a good point.
Closing Thoughts And Leading By Example
SPEAKER_01This was way better than talking about what you planned to talk about.
SPEAKER_00I didn't really have to.
SPEAKER_01You planned to talk about FIFA and I forget what else, something else.
SPEAKER_00I just want to talk about how I don't really care about soccer because FIFA's happening next door to us in Where? California. Oh, it is? Yeah, it's uh North America. California. Oh, I didn't know that. Mexico and Canada. Oh, cool. No, it's not. Well, I didn't actually soccer's pretty fun. I went to a couple games while I was living in Germany. Dude, it's way over the top. I don't get the sport. It's really boring. Like, two to zero is a great game. A lot of scoring. Boring as hell. Yeah. But dude, the fans are insane. Get drenched in freaking beer.
SPEAKER_01Like this is way, this was way better though than talking about bat. That's all I wanted to say.
SPEAKER_00I could have gone pretty far in that. Because here's the thing. We can bring it to the Bible. No, I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna be a bad person. Um, I think trying to fix society is a better thing. And I'm actually pretty I'm actually pretty hopeful right now with the way America's going.
SPEAKER_01Hopeful or helpful?
SPEAKER_00Hopeful. I thought you said hopeful. No, I'm helpful too. I usually express my opinion. I only express my opinion on people that want to hear it. You don't hear me talk about this crap outside of a conversation where people don't want to hear it.
SPEAKER_01No, no, not at all.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Because I find, I mean, that pushes.
SPEAKER_01I think people still don't even believe that you read the Bible.
SPEAKER_00That's because most people don't believe I can read. Yeah, that's also true. Like it's kind of like the whole resurrection thing. You gotta get past the fact that I can read first, and then everything else makes sense. Yeah, yeah, then it starts to click. Yeah, you don't really talk to people about it that much. No, I don't talk. But what's funny is, and I I I wouldn't say I'm even I mean, there's people way more educated than I am, but I would say educated wise, and I can what do you call it? Like think through it or understand it in different terms, I would say I can hold my own against most people.
SPEAKER_01So if you want to get on a podcast with Jonathan and talk about this, it's a gift of autism, dude.
SPEAKER_00You find on you find a uh a hole that you want to go down. Oh, bro. It'd have been like six months. Still in this AI rabbit hole. I know, which is not doing good for us. No, that's okay though. Because you're on a complete different thing. Yeah. Mine may or may not ever. Actually, no, I think there's gonna be huge, I think it's gonna be huge for I think it's I think it's part of like this new image I'm trying to create, which is also helping myself and not just trying to help, well, yes, trying to help other people, but help myself first, is like here's the thing about religion. I just need like if I'm gonna talk to you about it, it's because you want to talk about it. And there were the way I believe that I'm gonna get you to want to talk about it is you're gonna have to look at me and be like, like I said earlier, you got something. Yeah. There's some light there, there's some fun there, there's something there that I don't have. What is it? Then we can have a conversation about it. But I'm not gonna be a uh street preacher. Preacher, whatever you call it. I mean, go back to the Bible. Jesus said, Hey, preacher man, on the street, go to your home and pray, because you don't need to show everybody that you're doing it, you just need to do it. Yeah. So I kind of believe that route of things. All right. Anything else you want to talk about?
SPEAKER_01Well, man.
SPEAKER_00Cool. I got a call in six minutes.