Episode 26 - Hand Me My Walkman

Join us as we explore a wide range of topics from the power of natural curiosity, the influence of British culture, to the fascinating world of cryptozoology and the impact of technology on art and music. This episode offers insights into human nature, societal trends, and the mysteries of the natural world.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:17

It's better than your morning coffee, I tell you that. That's that song, that song. You know, it'll get you going.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

I've learned to take my headphones off when it's about to play.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

It's just like it will not be held down by the volume meter. It just refuses to be controlled by the volume knob. It's like, no. I, you know, I'm loud, I'm proud, get used to it.

SPEAKER_04 0:40

Do you turn uh the volume knob down on that thing before it plays? I do, really?

SPEAKER_02 0:45

This isn't like half volume. Amazing. It's a high it's it is.

SPEAKER_04 0:48

It's the loud mixing that you put into that thing.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

It's like so it's like, no, don't you dare try to hold me back.

SPEAKER_04 1:01

It's a behemoth.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Yeah. It's a tiger. Kraken.

SPEAKER_04 1:06

Tiger off leash.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Tiger, tiger burning bright. What volume will control you tonight? I don't think that's quite the uh the thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:19

That might be a slight diversion from the poem itself, but I I like it. It's yeah. I think I learned I remember I think that poem might be by uh Rudyard Kipling.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

I think it was by somebody named Blake. I could be totally wrong. Hold on, hold on. I gotta look it up. Yeah, please look it up. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm right. William Blake. Shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:45

Wait, can you yeah, that is a swish for you. Can you tell me who Rudyard Rudyard Kipling is? Say that 10 times.

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Of course, of course. I wanna I don't want to mess it up, but I'm pretty sure Rudyard Kipling wrote like the jungle book.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

Oh, that's okay. So duh, that's why that's what made me think he wrote that poem because it's about tigers. That's right. Just like Cher Khan. Correct. Cher Khan the Tiger from the Jungle Book.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Yeah, that that story is a menace. That he is a menace, yeah. I mean, you know, everybody knows the jungle book, and yeah, it's like he he he was born in India, actually. Uh he was born in Cher Khan? Yes, well, him too, but so Ruddy, I mean Rudyard Kipling, but yeah, yeah, old Rudyard. Ruddyard, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

So was I'm guessing Rudyard was like uh a British gentleman or something.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Yeah, yeah. He was born in 1865. So this is when the Brits ruled India. He was born in India, and uh he was like, you know, a lot a lot of the Brits actually did take to India, like they, you know, they like besides yeah, I mean, what's not to take, right? They pretty much they were royalty in India, but besides that, like he he he was actually like you know, he like actually ca captured the culture, the wildlife, you know, those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_04 3:01

That's really cool. I mean, one thing I do like about some of those like old school Brits is that a lot of them do love animals. Yes, yes, like there's actually quite a bit of animal um appreciation or like love of nature. Yeah, you know, there even used to be this fad, or I mean they wouldn't have called it a fad at the time, but there was this kind of trend amongst the well-to-do uh or members of sophisticated society back in the Victorian era, I believe, when they would sort of study beetles.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

You know, and I've recently purchased a wonderful book about the stag beetle. Absolutely informative on every plane.

SPEAKER_04 3:45

Yeah, they loved they would they would learn about insects and collect beetles, even though they would just be these kind of I mean they weren't entomologists officially, but No, no.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

But they were they were like being a naturalist or stuff like that. That was celebrated there, and you know, this is before like you could just go to Instagram and type like Galapagos and see what the hell came up. Like you were you had to like, you know, this is when like a guy came back from like um two years of sailing around the Galapagos, and like yeah, you know, he would be invited to like tea and lunches and all kinds of stuff where he would be like asked to tell about all the magnificent creatures he must have encountered.

SPEAKER_04 4:24

Yeah, his adventures abroad. Yeah, it's who do tell. Shout out to Antonia.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Yeah. Sorry to any Brits if I'm butchering your accent. You have a lovely accent, and I also love that you have many variations of that accent. And yeah, they do. I will make my do my best to butcher every variation of that.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

It's cool. It's it's cool to hear, like it's cool to hear you've made peace with the British accent, it sounds like. I don't know if it was always the case. Like, I I know that like would you say that I mean understandably so given India's history with Britain, but like Um, would you say there was like a time when you were, I don't know, sort of like more skeptical of those limeys?

SPEAKER_02 5:12

No, no, not not not so much. I mean you know, I I'm not one of those uh people I've I feel I don't believe in holding the current generation of Brits responsible for what's cool those Brits back then did. I it doesn't seem fair to me, you know. It seems like you're just living in the past and you know refusing to move on. So like I I you know I'm just like nah, forget it. It's you know, of course, if a guy's a dick, he's a dick. Like right now, that's that's the thing. But yeah, here's why I've moved on.

SPEAKER_04 5:42

That's really cool. It's uh very big of you. Uh this is a uh this is a quick ASMR uh sound bit I'm gonna provide. Let's hear it. Can you hear this? Oh, it might have been too quiet. Shit. Oh, you know what would have been better? I should have poured it from higher above the code. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn it. Well, there's a note for next time. Now I have to do hold on, I want to do this right. I can't move on after.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Do you have like an ASMR compatible mic? It's like this, isn't this like a weird?

SPEAKER_04 6:15

These aren't, I mean, it's an S It's a similar mic to yours. It's an SM7B, and I think it was an offshoot of that. Um they're not optimized for that kind of thing. ASMR is better recorded with a more a mic that's more like a large a large diaphragm condenser microphone or something that's optimized for maximum level of capturing detail and air and every little detail. And you don't always want that. Like that's not always better. But if you're doing ASMR, it usually is because you kind of want to hear every little tiny scratch on the fabric that they might do with their fingernails or every detail in their voice, all that stuff. Um I'm gonna give this one more try though, because I'm not satisfied.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Why not?

SPEAKER_04 7:04

I'm not satisfied with my ASM my contribution to the ASMR community this morning. I want to try to get this right. Um so what I'm actually gonna do, I'm gonna stand up. I'm gonna stand up because I can't do it, I can't get the leverage sitting. I try to get the sound.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Okay, I I hear it way way better now.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

Yeah, I feel like maybe we could hear that. Nice. Okay. I guess I'll take that. I'll take that take.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Yeah. It's my way better. Okay. You can always punch it up in post.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

Yeah, and I probably will. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

The full you know, benefit of your editing skills. He cheated. It's not real ESMR because he punched it out in post.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

They are nothing but f phonies.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Tough crowd.

SPEAKER_04 8:02

Tough crowd of two over there. Those two, those two cynics. The peanut gallery coming in with these high expectations. People have high expectations. People have higher expectations for others than they do from themselves today.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

That's that's true. That's true. You know, because like when they start to do it, they realize it's not as easy as it is when you're judging something.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

Yeah, it's it's uh it's a lot harder when you try to match. Yeah, when you try to match your words with actions. Yeah, it's a lot easier to be a keyboard warrior, hide behind your computer. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

I think I think that's why critics will never surpass like artists in a in the level of respect that they get from society. Because, like, yeah, okay, critics they they play their role, like you know, they give you like a glimpse into what somebody's work, what's good, what's bad, but like you know, nobody ever respects a critic more than an artist, I feel because like I know they're just judging at the end of the day. And nobody at the end of the day, nobody likes being judged, you know. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:03

And it's also you it's oftentimes unfair. Yeah, it's not and it's it's also just like don't throw rocks from inside a glass house. Like you're not perfect, you don't it's like some of these critics, they don't it's not like they can create a great piece of art themselves. Yeah, that's kind of I mean, I don't know, not to that was a little bit of my struggle sometimes with like vocal coaches. Yeah, yeah. And it's not and by the way, some vocal coaches are like amazing singers, but what I notice across the board with them, even uh well and I don't want to be a dick, but even the ones that have amazing technique and have a strong voice and are have incredible vocal agility and can just shoot up and down their range with such ease, a lot of times they don't have a voice that I would consider interesting or character drenched. Yeah. Um there's it it can be a little generic sounding. Right. Um, not not always. Again, this that's a generalization. There are some vocal coaches who actually have been professional singers and have uh have had a history of being a like successful recording artist, but maybe not most of them, and um, yeah, anyway, but I don't know it's a tangent, I guess, but it's yeah, somewhat related.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

One one one good thing about rock music is I think people value like a vocalist with character more than totally, you know.

SPEAKER_04 10:34

Yeah, it's like I think even with pop music too, though, you know what I mean? I think with pop music too, you know, you think of some of the biggest pop singers, yeah, their voices are usually, not always, but often pretty distinctive.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

You know, it's like nobody sounds like Sia. Lady Gaga has a Lady Gaga has a you know it's her when you hear it, and it's pretty but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Yeah, they and they definitely have really good voices, but like, yeah, it's you know, it doesn't matter. I know what you mean though. I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

Yeah, I do I like I agree with you. Like you, I mean, you are right. I do think there's a higher premium, there's a higher value placed on character in the rock world, yeah, than the pop world uh for sure. Yeah, but but yeah, to to to go back to what you were saying about critics and stuff, you know, there's so many, there's just so many keyboard warriors today, and they're so aggressive and so mean, and it's like you are not in a position to really yeah, like it was really funny. I heard uh, you know, I've I like that podcast WTF, which I've referenced before on this show. And yeah, I think Mark Marin had great conversations with many, many guests, and he was really had a great podcast. And it was really funny because I mean he leans on the liberal side of things, so he's always and he's pretty vocal about it, so he's always taking a lot of flack from you know the the far right people on the internet and everything. And the far right people have a loud voice on the internet today.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Oh, they do, they do, yeah, because they're very extremely defensive. Yes. Because um, you know, I mean they basically got all that they wanted in the last uh election. Like they got pretty much everybody, almost everybody in power was, you know, a c you know was a Republican. So like suddenly they have they have no they have no one else to blame for what's happening, you know. So I know extra extra defensive now about stuff. Uh you know, and then you know bad mentality. I'm not saying Republicans are bad, Democrats are bad, but what's bad is trying to like be so close-minded that you feel like you need to defend somebody just because you voted for them. Hey, that's not your job. That's their job is to do good by you. If they don't do good by you, hey.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

Like, I mean, uh Tucker Carlson came out and publicly announced that he didn't support Trump anymore.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

Yeah, yeah, he did. He was wild. He did. He was also, yeah, not too ha happy about the what what Israel was doing either. Like he's he's been he's been quite vocal about like not liking how they have been like basically, you know, pulling America into wars and stuff. He has a valid point. Like, I'm not you know, I don't want to comment on Israel or I don't want to get into those kind of that that's a that's a mess, right? There, the whole Israel-Palestine.

SPEAKER_04 13:31

It's a big topic.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

It's a big topic on itself. But like, you know, his point is just like, you know, people are struggling with their day-to-day. Why are you bringing us into wars which you know don't concern us? It's a valid point, in my opinion, you know?

SPEAKER_04 13:44

Yeah, can't yeah, totally. Um, and uh it's pretty bold of him to uh come out and say that. I'm sure he lost a few followers that day.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Yeah, my mom might have been one of them. I know, I'm just I don't know. But he he's apparently he's gaining other followers too. So yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

Well, that's the thing, you know, when you make a bold move and you're honest, you will lose some followers, but you'll gain others, and the ones you gain are the ones that you want. Yeah, because they're more aligned with what you believe in your core and stuff, right? Yes, yes, and who you are currently, not like who you were years ago or whatever that somebody's clinging on to and expecting you to perpetuate for their own uh self-satisfaction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

Yeah, yeah. Come on. It's I mean, it's it's like with it's like with music. I mean, how much how how many of the bands that you thought were amazing when you were a teenager do you still like?

SPEAKER_04 14:39

I mean, the well after Saint Anger, I don't I'm just kidding. I don't I still think that's a actually a great example.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Saint Anger's a great I'm a big Metallica fan, but I don't like St. Anger, and a lot of Metallica fans will probably agree with me. Uh, but doesn't mean we don't like Metallica, we just don't like that album, and that's totally fine to say that. You know, Lars's dad had no problem too. Oh my god. Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

I wish I could meet his dad.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

That old Danish bearded Danish dude had no problem telling Lars he needs to re-record some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

That old Danish founding father had no problem dismantling, that had no problem sharing his harsh opinions of his son's music.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

On camera nonetheless. It wasn't even like he didn't even pretend to like it just because he's in a on camera.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

It wasn't even like I better go easy.

SPEAKER_04 15:40

They are filming me. I don't want to look like an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 15:44

Those thoughts didn't couldn't cross his mind at all.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Didn't cross his beard.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

Yeah, he didn't cross his beard at all. He was he, you know, the fact that there was a documentary crew in front of him with a camera pointed at him didn't phase him one flinch, but he didn't flinch, didn't waver.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Oh he decided to take those headphones off.

SPEAKER_04 16:10

Those are the kind of men we need in Congress.

SPEAKER_05 16:15

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 16:17

Yeah. The the the the but yeah, so there's just yeah, there's a lot of keyboard warriors online. The thing, the thing that's so but to but to connect that back to Mark Marin, like I was gonna heading towards, is that um so so like I said, Mark Marin kind of leans left and he takes he's always taking a lot of flack from the the right. He kind of invites it. I mean, he's very vocal, but I mean he's just I guess being you know honest about his views, but they get all up in arms, and it's funny because it's like, dude, this is this comedian is not going to take single-handedly take down your party. Like, you don't have to get so defensive. If you know if you're so confident that you're right, then why are you so defensive? But yes. Um, but like so. Mark will talk about his views, and then um he'll get you know, tons of negative comments and all these haters and people saying, You liberal cuck, you know, you're a cuck, you're you're uh, you're a you're a race trader cuck, you're uh you're a soy boy, you're a pussy. You know, all the stuff that these weird QAnon right, and they're not just Republican, they're they're far right. There is a that to be clear, there's a difference. Yeah. Like if I think of a Republican, I think of like my dad. Right. Um my dad does not like Trump. Um he is an old school classic Republican. Right. You know, he's just he's one of those like, well, you have to earn what you get, and there's responsibility involved, and life is about choices. He's one of these Republicans, uh, which is by God so safe and tame. Uh compared to the city. By comparison now to what we've witnessed in the last eight years. Um and it's so funny because yeah. So my my dad is like that. He doesn't like Trump, but then the far right are a different breed. So anyway, you know, Mark Marin will get all these angry, hateful comments, and he calls them the army of unfuckable hate nerds, which is pretty apt for the most part. And because the thing that's so funny is a lot of these guys online who hate women and make all these com because they're so angry that because they've been rejected, and it's like, motherfucker, we've all been rejected. Rejection is part of life. Put your big boy pants on, just move past it. How old are you? You're 40, move the fuck past it. You are a child. Like, rejection is part of life whether you like it or not. And it doesn't mean that all women hate you, and it doesn't mean that all women are stupid, brainless bimbos, because guess what? They aren't. And if you think that, then either you've never been laid, never been on a date, or never been around women, your your age, or or you are just this dude who only values women by their looks, and you've been going after a certain kind of bimbo for the longest time, and you can't seem to land it, and you feel like it's unfair, and it's like, buddy, if you weren't so fucking superficial, you could find a really nice girl to settle down with and be with, and she would love you for who you are. That's not good enough for you. No, you don't want to be loved for who you are. You want to be loved for who you think you are or who you think you could be in some future imaginary scenario in your mind. So it's like it's that's why they hate women. It's not because the reason they have bad experiences with so man with women they've dated or they get rejected a lot, they're going after the wrong someone who doesn't fit what is right for them. That's that's how I've kind of see it.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

But but so you know I think sorry, just a quick note and also I think they also kind of idolize these um these guys who call themselves like like Sigma males and alpha males, and it's like it's all like it's like fake machoism, it's not real. Fake, it's arrogance, it's not confidence, yeah, it's the difference. Yeah, it's like guys like I think it's one of the Andrew Tate guy, I forget that's his name or something. Oh yeah, absolutely. Him.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

He's like one of the ringleaders of the assholes.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

And he's his he's like the president of those like mean far-right uh keyboard warrior losers in their mom's basement who can't get laid.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Yeah, and like he it's like he just goes around kind of like telling them like this is how you need to be. And you know, like if something is is not working, it's not your fault, it's like the woman's fault. And I'm just like, and it's like, well, with that kind of attitude, you'll never get anywhere.

SPEAKER_04 21:06

You know, I mean, yeah, and that attitude of hating women is an attitude of refusing to take responsibility for your own flaws. Yeah, it's uh it's really what that stems from. It is, yeah, it's a cowardly way out. It's an it's a pussy way out. It's a uh I don't like that word, it's uh uh gross, weird word, but uh not for political reasons, but just personally, I don't like it's just it's it's like the you know, people would say they hate the word moist, but anyway, um yeah, it's like yeah, so Andrew Tate, yeah, totally, he's one of those. But but yeah, so Mark Marin was like I loved this one thing Mark Marin said, where he said, you know, all it's so hilarious because all these guys on the internet who hate me and say I'm a loser and that I'm a soybe. Boy and a and a liberal cuck and all these other cliche insults they use against me to try to belittle me or emasculate me. He was like, it's so hilarious because I just know that 95% of those guys, those keyboard warriors, are just dudes who can't get laid, who women don't like, who are angry about that. And Mark was like, it's so funny because those guys calling me a loser and a pussy and a soy boy. He was like, I get more action from women in a given year than any one of those guys in a lifetime. And he didn't put it quite that, like sort of pompously, but it's true. Like you are this dude is a is a famous comedian with quite a bit of money. Like this guy and also women, like a lot of women just kind of like him anyway. Uh and it's like this guy gets laid more than you, dude. He's not the cuck here. Like he's not the soy boy. You are. He's getting women.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

But you know, another thing is they're probably most of those guys aren't probably even real, man. They're probably that's actually true, too. They're probably bots. Good point. Glad you said that. It's uh that's a good point. I I I I just can't wait for the whole um the whole sense of like online comments to become irrelevant. It's already happening, by the way. Like if you go anywhere and you start like reading, like of Twitter is a great example. Go go to pretty much any Twitter thread you'll find. Maybe you'll scroll about four or five comments and you start to see like salty people, uh, people who just kind of think they're just like, but why is it like that? You know, it's like they always have to like spin it, spin it into like something bad, and then like it's they just like to troll people and get the get like people riled up. And a lot of these guys also are very good at using bots, you know. Uh, there are literally bot farms. I've talked about this before, but like I don't take online comments seriously anymore because it's like you don't even know if you're actually reading somebody's honest opinion or just reading about what somebody like has told the bot to like go out and do, you know.

SPEAKER_04 24:27

Yeah, it's yeah, it's like and I feel like probably the more generic the comment sounds, the more likely it is to be some bot.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

But like, I don't know how it works exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

Yeah, but I mean, in any case, I I think you're just better off, like, yeah, pretty much not paying attention to most of the comments online. And I'm sure the guys who run that podcast don't. I mean, they have a successful podcast, like it's like a like, you know, it's more than what most people can say. Most of their those hateful comments can say that they've done in their lives. You know what I mean? Totally. So totally.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

They they need to be more self-critical, they need to have more self-awareness. I mean, that's one of the biggest again. I just think there's so many people today who just want to point fingers and cast blame.

unknown 25:14

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

And it's such a weak, it's such a weak personality trait because it just shows that they're too insecure to look inward and be honest with themselves or with the world about who they are or what they really feel, or they're so out of touch with the o the truth of their own feelings and their own it's just it's pathetic. It's like it's a weak trait, like to be that way. Yeah. It just shows a lack of self-awareness and a lack of responsibility.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

It's I mean, it's like, yeah, why would why you know, like, yeah, and it's like a lot of the Yeah, and it's like a lot of those men who hate women, like you meet them and get to know the way they are, and you're like, I mean, I don't blame women for not liking you. And like, I it's understandable to me why your marriage failed if you're divorced. Uh you know, like you meet some of these, like, and because some of those men who hate women are like these divorced men who had a horrible experience in their marriage. And I mean, I'm not gonna say it's always mainly mainly their fault that it fell apart, but like in a lot of cases, the men who just refuse to reflect or be introspective about it or take any responsibility for the failure of the marriage, a lot of times those men are just these children inside, and they're just they're just very childish and refuse to take personal responsibility and really analyze their own role in relationships or their own flaws, and they're just like, you know, she tried to change me or whatever. And I mean, there are instances, I mean, there are absolutely women who wiping my boogers on my shirt. Yeah, I like never making the bed. I don't want to do that, you know. I don't wanna, I don't wanna clean up after myself, I don't wanna walk the dog. I uh you know, sh I yeah, I don't want to shave, I don't wanna I don't wanna do anything I don't want to do. And um yeah, and it's like, well, then you're gonna be alone. I mean, you're gonna it's not everything about you is awesome. Or anyone. Um I mean there and I'm not saying, you know, yeah, there's definitely women who will be sort of very controlling and want to sort of change a man to fit whatever her wants or her agenda is, and that's not fair either. But but it goes, you know, it's yeah, there's flaws on both sides.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

But yeah. I think I I mean I think a lot of it is yeah, just you know, being in a comfortable place with yourself mentally. Um I think it's more like a lot of people who are extra like like I said, like you know, I find like most of the people who are loud and obnoxious online are just coming from a very defensive place. Like they just they kind of like inherently know that they're totally they're kind of in in the wrong, but they just yeah, or missing out on something that they're missing. Right. So they feel like the way they can kind of like make themselves feel good is by making it sound bad for everybody else. Yeah, uh, so like they're just like, okay, well, that's good for you, but what about this, you know? Uh of course they'll they'll leave out the that's good for you part, they'll just say the this is why it's bad part, yeah. So like it's it's like yeah, well, come on.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

I actually I caught myself almost being a hater online the other day. Yeah, and I caught myself in the midst of typing a comment, and then I realized, you know, you're kind of being a little bit of a hater right now. And I just deleted it and abandoned ship.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Yeah, I I think that's for that's natural. Like we all have those tendencies to like judge, I feel to kind of like you know, when we feel a little jealous or FOMO, we feel our first instinct is to go out and try to kind of like find something wrong with that, with whatever we're we we you know has made us feel that way. Yeah, but I think it's it's important to yeah, take a moment and just remember that there are a lot of things that you've done in your life that other people wish they could have done, and you know, it's like you know, just just don't be a hater.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

Don't put it and also if if and when you yourself ever do make it to a to a point of prominence or fame, yeah, you're gonna have haters too.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:37

So keep that in mind when you're you know typing a hateful comment. Like if you do actually believe in yourself or you believe that you might ever do anything that could be publicly known or have people who might have opinions about you someday, yeah, pay it forward and don't be too hateful because that's gonna come back around to you someday. Yeah. If you're successful, you know, and you want to be successful, right? So let's you know, why don't you take the positive assumption that you can and will actually be successful and be in the league of some of these people you're tempted to smear your FOMO all over or hate on, and uh don't do that, yeah, because yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Well said, yeah. Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 30:24

Yeah, it's quite a topic. Oh, you know what that made me think of was the beginning of this conversation about the British people with Beatles, their obsession with, you know, like their interest in the natural world and their desire to kind of study it even when they're not entomologists. I think that the it's actually a beautiful thing because I think they weren't so bur overburdened and overstimulated by outside distractions and social media and just like options of cars and everything else in the world, all this noise and all this over-stimulation. I think that when it just kind of shows you when you have less of all of that, people are more likely to just look at the actual natural world around them and sort of like study it or be interested in it or appreciate it. I don't know. I might be wrong because I mean there are a lot of people today who love the natural world and uh want to see videos of bugs and snakes and stuff, and I'm one of those people. But and I also don't know for sure how many people back in that like Victorian era were genuinely interested in that stuff. It might not have been as many as in my mind, um, but I know it was a few. Um and again, they were kind of regular people.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

A lot of them were probably like people who just lived in England, you know, read the read the papers, and like, you know, maybe they traveled to Europe. But I'm sure I from what I at least from like the the stories that I read of like Sherlock Holmes, I used to love reading Sherlock Holmes and all these like Jules Verne and all these like written by these guys back in the day. And I was a Jules Verne fan. Yeah, because who wouldn't be? Because it's like and it's it's fun to like venture because it's yeah, it's like Atford for its time, it was like sci-fi. But of course, like now you're like, yeah, it's you know, that's that's probably not gonna happen. But like it was fun to read it about at the time, and I think a lot of them, a lot of those people were still uh fascinated, but not by like stuff that happened in Europe, because they would go there, but like stuff that happened in like more exotic places like Africa, parts of India, Southeast Asia, Australia, maybe to some extent Australia. The new worlds. Yeah, new worlds, right? Like, you know, like this is that's the same reason this guy got famous, HP Lovecraft, when he wrote about this cosmic horror Cthulhu stuff. Like he he he wrote about like how like in Antarctica there was like um there was like a secret city of like these of with strange geometry where like which was built by these old gods, you know, and like it's it it fascinated people's imaginations because it was something that people were like maybe it could be real, you know. Um and it happens to this day. There are still like I love going on Reddit and going to like um I'm a big fan of I forget the name, I don't know what they call themselves, but oh yeah, cryptozoologists. I love cryptozoologists, people who are like who believe in like Bigfoot, Lochness monster, like that kind of stuff. I get a real kick out of that. So I think it's like a similar kind of like fascination that the people from Victorian England had where they were like, imagine the kind of things that might be out there, you know.

SPEAKER_04 33:56

Yeah, I guess it is kind of like that. Yeah, I guess they're just I guess they're just people who have a desire to still believe that there could still yeah, that there's more, that there could still be things, even on this earthly plane, to still discover.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:14

That's an encouraging thought.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Yeah, like um I I I think he this guy was on the Joe Rogan show. He's a Korean guy. I've I've I really I forgot his name. I really apologize that I don't remember his name, but he he said like he used to hear stories about that there was this living dinosaur in the Congo, and I did I I know the guy you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 34:36

I saw some of that. He used to work for um Vice magazine. Yeah, yes, that's right. He's an artist, he has an insane personal story of his own. Yeah, he and I sorry to cut you off, it's just I couldn't help it because this guy, I know exactly who you're talking about, and I saw that interview. Yeah, and that guy, that Korean guy, yeah, he is he is Korean, I believe, and uh lives in LA, and um he's an artist, like he's a visual artist, he's like a uh he's a painter, does these big paintings, but he he's rich because he invested in Facebook really early on. Oh, that's and he made like 200 million dollars or something from er from having really early ground level stocks in Facebook because when he they he was a painter and Facebook when it was starting out, they wanted someone to paint that to paint their facilities in Silicon Valley. Right, and so they hired him to paint their facilities, but they said, Look, we can either pay you in cash, like 40 grand or whatever it was, or we can uh pay you with stocks in in our company. Our company's called Facebook. Yeah. And he, for whatever reason, he took the stocks and boy did it pay off. But yeah. Big time. But anyway, um, but you were saying you saw him on the Joe Rogan show.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Yeah, uh, because same reason, like I was I I had heard about this stories about this the supposed dinosaur that uh used to that that supposedly exists in the Congo. And for anybody who isn't aware, like the Congo is still one of those very sparsely explored areas of the world because it's thick jungle, it's a lot of it is inhospitable. Um there are tribes that live there that do have contact with the outside world, but they're you know, they also don't explore the forest too much because it's it's pretty hostile territory, and like uh the whole Congo drainage, like is basin, is you know, it's like swamps and forest, and you know, no one has ever, you know, there's a lot to explore there basically. So there are stories that there is like a dinosaur that lives there. Um uh the locals have a name for it, and what this guy was saying is like when he he went there looking for it, he didn't obviously got lost in the forest, but he was found and rescued by a tribe. And after he they gave him some food and he felt better, he asked them about it, and he then they he said they were just talking about like, oh yeah, yeah, it's right. Uh we've seen it from time to time, kind of thing. Like they were just like talking about like as if like you know, like how we would talk about seeing like um you know, maybe a bear in the woods or something, you know. Uh so like it just I was just listening to that. That's interesting. Yeah, I mean like they were like, Oh yeah, the dinosaur. Oh yeah, there's they they have a name for it. It's called like I I I can look up, I can look up what it's called, but they have like a like a name for it, and they were like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we know that guy. But of course, like like like scientists are like, oh, you know, it's it's impossible and it's not, yeah. It's called Mokele Mbempe, not to be confused with uh Mbappe, the French soccer striker who's right now probably pretty big because of the World Cup. But it's Mbempe, Mokele Mbempe. Oh my god, African is so fun. What a function. I know I know they have these like clicks and stuff. Sorry if you're from Africa listening to this.

SPEAKER_04 38:10

Well, you know, two percent.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Yeah, come on the show and tell us about these clicks. Yeah, so it it's it's fascinating to me like to think about um to think about like something like that. But to anybody who's in North America, don't you don't need to look further. I'm sure that there are plenty of cryptozoologists and urban legend stuff floating around North America. I mean, um, I'm sure you must have noticed that people have this weird fascination with the Appalachian trail.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

Uh oh, yeah, what is their fascination with it?

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Well, they there's just they've this I don't know if this is this is just urban legend at this point, but there are a lot of like spooky tales that have come out of like the Appalachian area. Like, you know, it's like you know, like like for example, like people are like, yeah, if don't don't be out alone at night. Um, if you don't ever whistle in the woods at night when you're walking. Oh my goodness. Yeah, if you hear, if you if if the forest goes very quiet, you know, make sure you run. Like just stuff like that. Like people, it's just something that I feel like it's like lore that has just built over time. And now with AI, there are people who are putting videos about like check out this skin or check out this creature from the from the Appalachian, like, or like hidden camera footage from the Appalachian region. And a lot of it's the AI generated, but it's like you know, it's basically adding the.

SPEAKER_04 39:35

This stuff is really fun. I I do my only gripe with a lot of those documentaries is they'll kind of bait you in with these pictures of monsters and stuff, and I'm kind of sitting there biting my nails, waiting to see this beast, and typically by the end of this two and a half hour long documentary, they never find it.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

And I'm never finding, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:54

There's like that's they never seem to find what they're looking for.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

I have watched my share of Bigfoot uh hunters. And the ads are. Any luck? Did they ever find them? No, but the ads make it look like a you know, like Jurassic Park. I know, where it's like they're running from something and it's like big and chasing them, and then you watch this thing, and it's it's more it's more boring than watching paint. What the fuck are these people doing?

SPEAKER_03 40:20

Dude, they get they take some creative liberties with some of those Discovery Channel things sometimes. They do.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

There was this, there was this there was my friends and I used to laugh about this. There was this program, this like series that this mini-series that came out on I think it was the Discovery Channel when I was a kid, like when I was in high school, they would it it had a lot of marketing behind it, like they really promoted it, and you would see ads for it all the time. Like every everybody everybody at the time had heard of it, and it was this program on the Discovery Channel about aliens on another planet, and it was it was pitched to you from this like very scientific perspective of like this is a very educated, reliable projection of what life on another planet could look like. And it was just the most fantastical bullshit I have ever seen in my life. It was hilarious. Like it would be, they would be like, This creature is called the bladder horn. He attracts a mate by expanding his throat muscles. And you're sitting there and you're like, This is a made-up alien. Like you invented this. Someone just came up with it. This is no more credible than a Disney film. No, but it was pitched as this reliable scientific thing on on Discovery Channel. It was so funny. And and they they would like their they would make up sounds for all the different aliens, and that different aliens would have like their their like mating calls and things. And this one alien just looked like if you took like a a butt, someone's butt, and put it on two long skinny legs, and then gave it this head that looks like a loud a a uh a bullhorn, and they'd be like, This is the bladder horn.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

He exists on the northeastern corner of this solitary planet, which we together explore.

SPEAKER_04 42:29

And he'd be like, the bladder horn attracts a mate by blasting his impressive sound. And then it'll be like how did I end up here? And you're watching, you're sitting there, you're watching it, you're like, Am I high? Like, what? None of this is reliable information. This is all pure nonsense, and I'm supposed to take it seriously. Discovery Channel had some good stuff though.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Yeah. Uh, you know, the rise of the Bolsheviks stuff, and then suddenly at night it's like UFO hunting in Discovery.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:14

Yes, the stuff that came on late at night on the Discovery Channel in those days was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Just just outright lies.

SPEAKER_04 43:25

Just yes. Just outright fantasy. Pure fantasy. I guess enough people watched it that they just kept making it. It must a lot of people must have liked it, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 43:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

But it was always the same shit.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Sure, yeah. You know what's but you know, what's so strange nowadays is like is like things are so bad in terms of like cost of living, inflation, all that stuff, is like governments are actually coming out now and saying, yeah, we've had contact with and we're gonna release UFO files and this and that. Pretty much most of the people don't even give a fuck because they're like, I can't oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

I need to try to pay my rent. I don't care if there's space aliens.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

That's so funny. Yeah. Yeah, I just saw that Steven Spielberg movie Disclosure Day.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

See it? Okay. How was it?

SPEAKER_04 44:19

I don't know. I wanna um I watched it.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

I was like, did Steven Spielberg already do this? But wasn't this like third encounters of the, you know, wait, have you oh, but you haven't seen it yet, right? I saw the trailer and I was like, wait, didn't Steven Spielberg do a movie?

SPEAKER_04 44:34

It was, it it was very much like Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Okay. Um, not as good. Um, but that's also uh not necessarily saying a ton because Close Encounters of the Third Kind is actually it's a really well done movie, it's a really good movie, and it's a c kind of a classic. So competing with Close Encounters of the Third Kind is a tough one, it's a really good movie, yeah. But uh it was a lot like Close Encounters of the Third Kind, just in that there's a character in the film, the lead character, I think it's Emily Blunt, who is who becomes suddenly possessed with this in this knowledge this knowledge that no other humans have access to, and um that's kind of been you know transmitted to her by aliens. And she kind of goes on this quest, you know. So it's a lot like Close Encounters of the Third Kind in that way. Yeah. And I do actually love that concept. Okay. Um I you know what I mean? Like I think that's a really cool concept that this regular person could suddenly become possessed with knowledge or with this drive to sort of uncover or discover something, and this drive was implanted in them by an extraterrestrial force, and they don't even know where where it's coming from or why they suddenly have the visions they're having and stuff. I do really like that concept, and you know, I liked it in Close Encounters of the Third Kind too, because it was remember, it was just Richard Dreyfus, the lead. You saw Close Encounters, right?

SPEAKER_02 46:14

I I haven't seen it. You know, yeah, growing up I wasn't as as into aliens now. I am not as much as cryptozoologist, but I am more into it, but yeah, I will check it out. I I just I just like the idea of aliens making themselves or have making contact in my life because I would just love, love for the world to open up to the possibility that there is life beyond us, because then I think it would just put a lot of these religious charlatans to a different side because like all this time they've just been like going on about how humans are the chosen one and this and that, and it's like you know, I have no problem with religion, by the way. I have a problem with people radicalizing religion and making like desperate people do bad things because of it, you know. Um totally it happens all over the world, it's not uh America thing, it's not a Middle Eastern thing, it happens everywhere in the world, and it's been happening since the dawn of humanity, happening since the dawn of religion, yeah. So I would just love for aliens to just make themselves appear so that it's now it's like there is beyond us what's next, you know.

SPEAKER_04 47:24

Well, that was a theme that was actually explored in Disclosure Day. Okay. So you might find that interesting. I did find that part very interesting. They did talk about religion in it, and you know, it's like in dis I don't and I'm I'm not really giving anything away. I'm just talking about certain aspects of the movie conceptually, but they talk about how the reason um there are powerful figures controlling the narrative and refusing to release information about aliens to to the public is because they're protecting they have this fear that society will fall apart and people will lose uh belief in God and religion will fall apart and structures will fall apart and it'll be chaos. That's like their and and I mean also ultimately I mean that's how they pitch it, but the truth is they're just afraid of relinquishing the power, yeah, the power and control that they that they enjoy uh over other humans. But um but yeah, so that was like a big, you know. I mean, because hey, let's face it, like certain religions have a whole lot of power. Yes, the Catholic Church is pretty powerful, pretty rich. Yeah, you could you can have both. I mean, you can believe in God and also believe in aliens, it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Yeah, yeah. I mean, no one's telling you to stop believing in in whatever you might believe in. Just don't be a dick to other people for what they believe in.

SPEAKER_04 48:55

Right. If you uh a lot to ask from some.

unknown 49:01

No.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

I've gotta do it.

SPEAKER_04 49:06

Yeah, that would be those keyboard warriors we were talking about earlier.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

100%.

SPEAKER_04 49:10

100% dig their heels in.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

No. I like it. I wanna believe it. I like it.

SPEAKER_04 49:21

So if there are aliens, do you think they're benevolent? Like, do you think they would be nice or do you think they'd be villainous? Because they're depicted both ways throughout the history of cinema. We have some movies that are uh with the the evil aliens. So I know, yeah. Ridley Scott's notion over there.

SPEAKER_01 49:39

Independence day with who's that guy? Bill Pullman just you know riling everybody up, and Will Smith punching an alien before he slapped Chris Tucker.

SPEAKER_00 49:50

Um Welcome to Earth or something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

Yeah. Give him a quotable line in this scene.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

Get those writers here. We need a line for Will when he punches his alien in the face.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

Larry, send a line over to the head of the writers. Tell them we need a quotable line here.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

Welcome to Earth. That's that'll work.

SPEAKER_02 50:16

Hello, Academy Awards. Okay, yeah, nothing.

SPEAKER_05 50:21

I smell Oscars. I smell Oscars, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:23

And then then we've had I mean, then we have terrifying guys like the fucking predator who just comes and he's like, This job is just like being the best hunter in the world.

SPEAKER_04 50:33

Yeah, yeah. That was a cool predator was a cool concept because it he was on Earth, yeah, and it was like these military guys who were trained to fight have to go up against him, and he's just like that's literally what he is. He's just this apex predator.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

Yeah, it was a cool idea. You know, if you guys are want like a nice horror flick, uh watch the predator. It's a lot of fun, really well made. It actually is a lot of fun, and um, yeah, it's really well made for its time. It's from the 80s, it's it's the time when all these like macho guys were big, and it was yeah, it was just it it took a genre and really kind of turned it on its head. I mean, it's it's aged really well. Like you can it beats even the the recent Predator movies. Yeah, the recent Predator movies definitely have way better graphics and stuff like that, but this was like there was something about practical horror man, like when they actually had the suits and they actually had stuff. Like there was a kind of like a realism to it that kind of is a little freaky, you know?

SPEAKER_04 51:38

Uh like oh yeah, totally dude. The best example of that I can think of is John Carpenter's The Thing.

SPEAKER_02 51:45

Oh my god, the thing.

SPEAKER_04 51:47

The the organic uh models and monsters that he had them sculpt and make in that film are so creepy and disturbing.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

It's it's kind of terrifying because you know, like uh there's like there's this one scene I know you know what I'm talking about, where it kind of like it's like it's if for anybody who hasn't seen the thing, it's another alien movie, it's a fucking brilliant movie. Uh it's about this these this like these people who are out in the Arctic and this alien kind of invades them, and it's like a shape-shifting alien. So there's this one scene where it's like shape-shifting between one of them, and I'm gonna say who because that's part of the suspense, and like it looks really weird. It's like half alien, half person. And they did it with like a model, and they they make they put like animatronics, so the model moves, and it it moves unnaturally because you know it's uh it's a it's an animatronic robot, and it just kind of adds to how creepy this thing is, you know.

SPEAKER_04 52:47

Yeah, because sometimes the way they move, it's almost a little awkward, but it just makes it more messed up and kind of uh disturbing and strange. Uh and um, and you know, it's just a testament to the fact that more advanced technology does not always equal heightened emotion in art. And another example of that is music, because a lot of the recordings from like the Beatles era or Led Zeppelin's era, you know, the 70s and stuff, these are really old recordings at this point, but they still sound amazing. And there's still people to this day, even a lot of even young people, chasing a lot of those sounds, even though the there's been massive advances in sound recording technology. I mean, the microphones and the preamps and the well the the in the you know the way we can convert analog information to digital information in our computers, it's become so refined and advanced and it can really capture more like detail than older recordings that might have been on tape or and whatnot. But what what we've kind of just realized is, you know, art is about feeling and emotion, and what those old recordings have, they have enough detail that you can hear everything that's going on and enjoy it. You're not like losing detail with them, even though they're not as detailed as modern day recordings in this in the sound captured, uh, but they uh they're warmer sounding and they just they still sound great. So even so, yeah, it's just interesting, like it's counterintuitive in a way. You would think, oh, we want more, we want more detail, we want more realism. And it's like that doesn't always make it better as a piece of art, you know. Just like you just said, with that with the CGI we have today, the computer generation abilities we have today, there's more detail. And there's the way, you know, it's things move in a smoother, more calculated way, and it's like in so many ways it's better than some, you know, 70s or 80s horror flag. But yet the enjoyment and the that you can get from watching some of the I mean the first Jurassic Park, yeah, the way those the way Spielberg mixed CGI like tastefully with uh animatronic models was so great. I mean, yeah, you could still watch that scene in the rain with the T-Rex flipping the Jeep and stepping on it and pushing it down into the mud and roaring. That scene's terrifying. Like that scene looks amazing still. Yeah, it's beautiful, it's so real looking. Um, and that's that a lot of that was not. I mean, some of that was CGI, but a lot of it wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

Yeah, you know, the the the just a quick sidebar. This the CGI part was the dinosaur running. Uh I was actually watching about it's and it this is on Netflix. It's like called Oscar Winning Movies or something, and it's Jurassic Park is one of them. And it's um and that actually that's actually I don't know if it's if that if that's the name of the movie, uh the show, but it's something about like classic movies and how they were made. And um it was actually like they were they were struggling to make the dinosaur run with animatronics. They were experimenting with all kinds of different things, like you know, like like miniature models, like you know, like making it a like the the actual big T-Rex was so heavy and it would get so wet in the rain, it was like impossible to make it run naturally. And uh there was this guy who um I think he was working on, you know, he was a computer engineer and he figured out a way to make it run and he he wasn't sure whether to bring it up or not because it was like he knew it would it would mean it like you know it it might mean like the end of practical effects and stuff like that. And uh I I I don't want to butcher the story, but that's how I know that the running part was CGI because they needed a way to make the T-Rex run. And that T-Rex running scene is just really, really cool. It's like it's one of those seat. You mean when he's chasing the car? Yeah, when he's chasing the car. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 57:20

Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. It's it's so good, it's it's a scary part. I mean, you know, and I'm by the way, sometimes limitations lead to heightened creativity in in ways that you can't uh control or predict. And you have to be you have to be open to that. I mean, that's why a lot of these films that have absolutely unlimited budgets just suck because they end up just being these bloated technology masterpieces, but they lack the heart or the warmth or the uh realness of something like lower budget. Um and that's and we talked about this in another episode when we were talking about AI, but like again, that a big part of the artistic process. And this is not something that tech nerds can appreciate, but it is something that artists can appreciate and do know, which is that the discovery process is part of the creation. You you you're allowing the piece to create itself to a large extent, and you're just guiding it along and interpreting it as you go, but you want to be open to happy accidents and surprises. And so that's why AI can be a useful accompaniment to human creativity, but it can never be a complete replacement for it.

SPEAKER_02 58:39

That's true. When I think about the stuff that I really enjoy, it's almost like it's like human and machine working in not harmony. That sounds kind of like 70s beat, you know, yeah. But but it's true. Like it's like you you there needs to be, especially with art, there needs to be a human aspect to it. Yeah. Also, like, you know, you're bringing in, you know, you're not no one's saying don't use computers, they definitely make your life easier. But like, you know, if you overdo it, it just kind of it almost like people can tell somehow.

SPEAKER_04 59:07

Art is not in it's not supposed to be always easy. It I mean, it can be easy sometimes, and that's okay too, but it's not supposed to be. It doesn't have to be.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

It's like you know yeah, it's like you're you're discovering things, like you know, this discovery is a part of creation, you know, discovery is a part of creating art. And one thing is when you use AI is you don't discover the only things you discover is how to talk to the AI better. That's what you discover. You discover that you can speak to your your AI program, Chat GPT, Gemini, whatever, cloud, cloud, whatever you're using. These are useful tools, but you will notice the way you frame your question changes what your response is. So you often like I follow people creating art with AI all the time because I'm I'm very curious. You know, I don't I I don't believe you should turn your back on technology. You should always know what it can do so you can understand how it can help you the best that it can. And absolutely, you know, like a lot of these people who come up with art with AI, when you read about how they did it, it's not about what how how I wanted the face to look, how I wanted the action to be. It's more like this is the prompt I used, and then I had to use this prompt, then I had to use this prompt, then I had to use this prompt. So that's your discovery process with AI is the the how you're speaking to it. Whereas when you sit and draw something by yourself with hand, your discovery process is how when you when you cut when you draw a line a certain way, how it changes how the image looks, or you know, when you add this color, how does it change that? Or when you play this chord, what happens? So it's like a it's like a your brain discovers things in a different way so that when you are called upon to create it, you know what to do because you have spent time understanding the process, you know?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:05

Yeah, and um a lot of times things that actually a guy uh named Ellie who uh listens to our show.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:14

Oh, hi Ellie. Thank you, sir.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:16

Hi Ellie, thanks for listening. Um he he he is talking about how like the company he works for, and he's he's an artist actually, but he was talking about how the company he works for. A lot of times the AI doesn't make things faster and better and easier. A lot of times it gums up the works because a lot of times the AI, the automatically generated AI stuff or design AI designs have to just a human has to go back and adapt and correct them anyway. Yeah, and so they're end up they're paying somebody for that time anyway. It's like you might as well have just you know, because when you try to make it with AI, it's asking for all these prompts and all these specifications. It's like just freaking make it, just do it yourself. Like um, I mean, look, there are moments, there are certain specific ways in which AI can be useful, okay? But it's not a replacement for the human hand or the human mind. Um, there's a I wanna I a pet peeve of mine is when people say art evolves or music evolves. And the reason that's a pet peeve for me is because if you look up, because I just did look it up, if you look up the definition of the word evolve, this is what it says. Okay, listen to this. Okay. To evolve means to develop or change gradually over time, often moving toward a more advanced, complex, or better adapted state. And the reason I hate when people use that word in that way and say that art or music, music evolves. The reason I hate that is because the word evolve implies a positive momentum towards something better. Now, if you look at computers and technology, oh, it evolves, it absolutely evolves. A computer today, it's better than a computer f 20 years ago. Like it's better. You know what I mean? A calculator today is better and faster than one from 20 years ago, whatever. But art is not technology, art does not evolve, it changes. Art can change, and it can go backwards and it can go forwards and it can and it changes and and but it doesn't evolve. Art today, and the the proof of that is take a song or take music from today. Is it objectively more advanced musically or interesting or better in any way than music from the 70s or the 90s? Absolutely not. There's strong arguments to be made. There's more so like a regression. I mean, but either way, even if you we could just say like all of it's good. We can just be take that and it's all subjective, all music is good. Even if you want to take that perspective, it's it's there's no evolution. It's just change. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:03

Yeah. With art. It's uh in fact, you might even say that like, I mean, if you think about it, there's there are so many artists who have created art a long time ago who are, if not, more famous today than they've ever been, you know, before. Because like, you know, it's like you can't tell what what might resonate with somebody and what might continue to resonate with somebody. However, you will not find many people listen using a Walkman these days because it's maybe some ironically, some assholes. I like listening to my Walkman. You won't find music like this ever. It's like, bro, that you can safely say, you know, my yeah, my 4K music player on my phone has better quality of music than what your Walkman cassette. I used to listen to a Walkman cassette, and the minute I heard how a C I didn't want to go back to a cassette because it was just something else. But then, of course, you can also argue that vinyl has its own quality.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:03

That's a topic for a different thing because there are different vinyl heads out there, and I do get the allure of vinyl, but vinyl, yeah, vinyl is I guess vinyl is a little different because it is like a more analog way of listening. Like it's this physical disc that's spinning around on a table, um, kind of producing vibrations or something. But um, yeah, uh, I don't know a ton about that. And I've never you know, I've never I've never personally gotten into vinyl. Yeah. Um, it was never important enough to me personally to pursue that. But I know there are people who swear by it who just get a lot of joy out of their record collector their vinyl record colle uh what do you call it? A record, right? Is it a record? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, vinyl record, their record collection, they love it. And and I totally get, by the way, I totally get the love of physical objects and the pictures. I totally Totally get loving uh album art. Yeah. I used to my god, album art used to be so important, and it was such a cool thing. I love that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:09

Your CD would come with like a booklet, you would listen to the song, you would look at the booklet, you would look at the art, read the lyrics, you would you know it was great. It was like an experience.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:18

It was you know and it would help create a world in your mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:23

Yeah, if you if you missed out on that, if you were born at a time when iPods were already here and you didn't experience that, go back and experience it. You absolutely can. There are music stores that still sell CDs, you can still get a CD player. Just do yourself a favor and just explore that. Yeah, very different way of listening to music. And um it's an interesting thing. Buy buy a CD.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

Yeah, buy a CD of an album that you really like. Like, yeah. And just sit there listening to songs from that CD as you just gaze at the album art on the cover of the CD and just hold that CD in your hand and look at the pictures on it, and then open up the case. There's a little pamphlet inside with more pictures, and even sometimes some biographies or information. Read some of that, you know, leave through that, you know. Touch that, experience that. It's a it's a really fun thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:20

Yeah, I I I would love to keep talking about this, but it is our and and totally totally fair. Is that uh I think that's a good thing to leave our listeners off on. You know, very positive. I love it. Trust me, guys, you love it. Like it's a it's a really fun thing to do.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:38

Totally. Um it makes music more fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:41

Yes, yeah. Yeah, because it's like I don't I don't want to talk about it anymore. I think it's something you guys should just experience. If you do experience it, you do like it, make sure you let us know. We have Instagram, we have uh Facebook. Some of you guys have been you know reaching out to us and telling us stuff. We'd love to hear what you think about it and tell us what you listen to. Um we have fun talking about music, as you might have.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:07

I love that. We we do. It's a great we bounce around between movies and music. But I know you said you had a hard stop, and yeah, I want to let you get to what you need to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:17

So I am going to, you know, we have to cue us off a little bit, and so that was just a little bit more. Oh, can we Ooh, sorry. Did you want to play something else? Well, I thought it might be fun to I love that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:33

I thought it might be fun to try uh a wild card or or another one.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:39

Just to see for the hell of it. Just for the heck of it. Just for the heck of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

Yeah, you can always edit this spot out, right? Okay. Yeah. Uh let's see. That is one nice guitar.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:56

That was pretty fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:57

Yeah. I like listening to the guitar. Is that that's the Gibson, right? Yeah, it's a Gibson.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:00

It's actually not. It's actually a strat. Um but it's yeah, I know, I know. I do really love it. I mean, I love my Gibson, but it's uh Gibson is a heavier sound. A strat, uh Fender Stratocaster is a really smooth, beautiful sound. That's through my Marshall amp, my old uh speaking of speaking of vintage gear, uh, my Marshall amp is like from the uh early 80s. So yeah, yeah, that's what that is. That that's through an old Marshall amp from 1984. Yeah. That's pretty fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

Awesome, cool, yeah. I love that stuff. Yeah, we can talk about it the next episode for sure. But thank you guys for stopping in, and we will yeah, catch you on the next one.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:44

Yeah, guys, thanks for tuning in. Have a great week ahead, and we will talk to you the next time. Talk to you next time.