Episode 6: Mayhem Miller Strength

Alright, buckle up fight fans! 🎙️ Strange Wolve  Podcast is back with a hilarious dive into MMA moments living rent-free in our heads! From Rory McDonald's iconic stare-down to Tom Kong Watson's wild TRT call-out, we're not holding back. Plus, we tackle YOUR burning questions, from White House fight weirdness to the GOAT debate (Fedor? GSP? Nunez?).

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Hello. While you consider the fact that this following podcast is designed and created for adults only, consider also the tragedy of microwaves. The only machine that it if the if they were used actually I have too much on my mind. Take two. Take two. Hello. While you consider the fact that this is an over 18s only podcast, consider also the tragedy of microwaves. The only machine that if used to its full potential would surely cause its own demise.

SPEAKER_06 0:42

Ladies and gentlemen, and everything else in between, we are the Strange Worlds Podcast, and I am Vincent, and I'm here with Les the Talent on Sound. John the talent who is sound, Marcus the Talent, Darren the Expert, and Tom the wildcard.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

I only came in for the last and I wasn't there, I wasn't listening. I was reading. I was reading something there and I just heard Les that is sound, and then you came in to me and said Marcus the talent. I was like, I'm not sound, I've been left off the sound list here.

SPEAKER_04 1:13

It's cool, but I respect it and I understand why. Can I just say I got talent and sound? So uh I think What? What? I think you should go fuck yourself.

SPEAKER_06 1:24

We can edit out the bad language later. That'll be some wild card now if I fucked myself. We can edit out more of the bad language later. Have you a song?

SPEAKER_05 1:36

Do a song, talent.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

Tell them, boys, how long's it gonna last? A good while, you know. That's all uh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:53

We might slyly do two at the same time and then bring it up.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

We can tell the audience we just did one. I might even change that line in the next song. Put less pressure on ourselves. Karate combat WTF. New lows, there's none left. No right eater, cause he had no legs. Raplin Johnny bought his butterfly. What's next in this karate cutter? A crab magab person versus some more stutter. I'd quite like to watch that because you'd have the crabmaga guy go and grab my arm this way and the stutter guy struggling to get out words. So I think it'd be a real, a real chess match. Be careful, kings, it could happen to you. What did Mike Perry say to Eddie's son? The warren five guys stomping on him. Mike blamed the slippery blood. Or did he call his girlfriend? Uh a whole lot of disrespectful name, so be careful, king, it could happen to you.

SPEAKER_06 3:07

That was a beautiful song. Thank you. So, do you want to start with the viewers' questions or do you want to start with uh this new feature of standout moments that are living rent-free in your head from the history of MMA? Let's start out rent-free. John, do you have any moments from the MMA past that are in your head? I have two in particular.

SPEAKER_04 3:28

Um I think is a really well-known one, which was actually I won't remember any anyone's names, which I rarely do anyway. Your man is the other guy. Rory McDonald versus Robbie Lawler. Robbie Lawler. Was it the start of uh the end of round four, end of round three, where there's this fucking unbelievably cool moment where the bell rings for the end of the round and they stand there unwilling to break eye contact, both of whom are brutally fucking bloodied and bashed, and just it's been a rough couple of rounds for both of them, and they still stand there toe-to-toe, just kind of saying, No, I'm not gonna break I'm I'm standing here, go fuck yourself. I thought that was the cool one of the coolest things I've ever seen. The second one is a lesser well-known one where before you go on to the second one.

SPEAKER_06 4:22

Can I just um was that the one where um McDonald had a red stream of blood halfway down his face and his nose was completely broken?

SPEAKER_04 4:31

Yeah, and Robbie Lawler had his lips split open at that stage, yeah. And eventually, I think I don't know how many bones uh Rory got broken in his face, but certainly his nose and the surroundings never really the same afterwards.

SPEAKER_06 4:43

No, he was that was before that fight. People thought, myself included, that he might, if he won that fight, get a title shot and he just couldn't get Lawler down at the right time.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

It was just fucking cool. It was just so cool, and it you couldn't script it, you couldn't write it. If someone said it was going someone tried to plan it, it would look like shit.

SPEAKER_06 5:04

We saw that as a club in the in uh uh Pob and Goy Monrose. Do you remember? Yeah, I don't know where it was on, but we managed to see it. Uh live those about 20 or 30 of us.

SPEAKER_05 5:14

I think it was my yeah, we were in Monrose Got Pizza.

SPEAKER_06 5:17

Was that was that live that we saw it?

SPEAKER_03 5:18

Or uh we watched the the next day we screened. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

And then the second one was uh just a particular memory that I had uh of um Mike Brown. This was years ago when I used to kind of watch it by myself. Um Mike Brown uh fought a guy at the time called Leonard Garcia, who both of whom were kind of big names at the time. Uh it might have been in WEC, it might have been pre-UFC, but there was just a fucking great fight, and there was an awesome arm triangle. And I remember thinking at the time, uh arm triangles, that's something now I need to get. You know, I remember kind of thinking about it a lot over the following weeks going, arm triangles, game changer. They're they're they're the way forward. Like, you know, if you lock that in, it's gonna be awful hard to deal with an arm triangle, especially if you're out of breath and kind of under pressure, what what have you? That's the way to go. And I remember it was a big thing for me just watching an arm triangle and watching how how successful it was. So there's the two. Pick your favourite out of that.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

We've been using our legs like idiots, you thought.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Yeah, no, finally, to be honest, finally I was still trying to just lie on people and hoping that they give up.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Still a popular technique of mine. This this was before legs were used at all.

SPEAKER_05 6:32

But my Mark Mike Brown had that kind of hardness, that kind of grit that like I suppose we didn't it was never before people before him didn't really have that kind of style.

SPEAKER_04 6:42

He was a tough dude. Now he had a kind of a um blotted career after that. You know, there was a lot of wins out there. Uh Mike Brown did. Uh fighter from Maine. You don't hear of too many fighters from Maine. Um, you know, it's it's off the main roads.

SPEAKER_05 6:57

And and he had those ankle sweeps as well with the leg.

SPEAKER_04 6:59

Yeah, and he went on to be a very successful coach as well. Uh you'd see him kind of coaching, I think he coaches in Coconut Creek uh in Florida.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

Is that is my is it Mike the Immortal Brown? Is that my thing of the same guy? That's Matt Brown. That's Matt the Immortal Brown. But he's a little he's the little guy you're thinking of Mill Jack. I might think of Matt Brown.

SPEAKER_04 7:16

You're thinking of Matthew Mortal Brown. Oh, the amazing amazing memories, huh? Yeah, yeah. I know the Mike Brown you mean. He was a WEC was he. Yeah, you probably know him more from coaching now. He beat Uriah Faber twice. Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, wow. Uh which was a fun thing too. Um, but I think after the second Uriah Faber fight, I whatever, whatever happened to him, it was just kind of a ups and downs thereafter. But he's had a very successful coaching career, to the best of my knowledge.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

He's a tough guy, Uriah Faber. He's lost uh who's who in MMA. Like you name it, he's lost to them. So can't take that away from him.

SPEAKER_05 7:50

And that face, yeah, that butch in yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

You can say about like women in MMA going far on their lux, but he was the pioneer in going far on your lux, the California kid, you know, like dressed like an undercover cop, man. Clearly, he was turning.

SPEAKER_04 8:04

They had a great rivalry with him and uh Dominic Cruz. Yeah, that was that was a great, you know, old school proper fucking hatred, really um funny interactions. That was a great uh legitimate beef back then.

SPEAKER_06 8:19

And he brought out a great book, your eye of favor, that was an MMA book about his life that doubled up. He wrote it to double up as a self-help book, yeah, which was absolutely amazing. So you two could be like me kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely amazing. Yeah, he's a coach now as well. He's back coaching, he's caught cough coaching Dong, um, the guy who lost to Shonam Alley recently.

unknown 8:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

Team Alpha Mail is still going. Still going.

SPEAKER_06 8:44

The king, the short king club. I don't know if it's with Team Alpha Male, is it?

SPEAKER_03 8:47

Maybe it is. I'd say so. Or maybe, yeah. That was his team, but maybe maybe they fired him. Oh no, it could be. I just brought in a height restriction.

SPEAKER_05 8:54

Did we do did we have beef with Team Alpha Mail at one point?

SPEAKER_03 8:57

We did, but we squashed that, didn't we? No, we finished it. Do we yeah? Man's gonna eat. How about you, Mark? Man's gonna eat any moments. I do. I I've won and I I did a bit of research because it's a little bit you may not uh remember it. So it's uh Tom Kong Watson versus Stanislav Stantsky Nedkoff, and it happened in 2013.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

Tom Kong Watson was an interesting dude, but go on anyway, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

And the reason so he had this fight, I think it was his second fight in the UFC, and it was uh Stan Silov's uh first fight, and Stan we'll call him Stan because it'd be easier on the listeners. Stan was winning the first round, he think he rocked Tom, but Tom came on strong in the second and finished him with a TKO. But it was his Tom Cong came on strong, nothing wrong, Tom. Right, John? Um but it was his uh post uh fight interview that stays rent-free in my head because uh now your man Stan is standing beside him while he's been interviewed, which just I still can't get over to this day. And he says, You see the size of the man, there's an epidemic in MMA right now, T or T. And then the guy's beside him like English isn't his first line. He's like, What the fuck's going on here? He's like, he's calling me out for you know being on roids. Uh and he's then he goes on to say, I want to call out anybody who's on testosterone, any drugs, get in here and fight me next. All I've got is heart. This is all I've got in your man's beside him. Like, what the fuck? Don't do that. You have way more than just heart. People can disagree with me all I want. I'm in this industry. Uh, I fight and I see it. I don't know if it's me, but I look at these guys and you can see which guys are on it. Uh that's type fighter arm with big heart. Uh goes on about drugs again. It's difficult to vision because I think most of the division are on this stuff, and some of them look like they're from another planet. Uh, and then in another interview afterwards, he goes on to talk about uh, you know, I don't want to be taking shots of Fetor Belfort specifically, but why is he allowed to take T or T? Well, you know what I mean? He's like, uh, you know, I because that's like saying just because your job's hard, you need uh T or T to get up and do it. He's like, well, I get up and do it, I train three times a day without it. Why is Fetor allowed to do it? So that was a little bit afterwards, but just saying that in the cage while he's fighting him lives fucking rent-free. I just give a bit of context to who is Tom Kong Watson. He was the Bama middleweight champion for years in the UK, and he came to popularity by fighting you know this one, John, Alex Reed, who was Jordan's aka Katie Price's uh husband. So he was uh in the cage, uh Alex Reed was a relatively successful fighter, yeah. Yeah, he he won Celebrity Big Brother at the time, so he was big in the UK and he fought him uh it might have been on Bravo TV or Channel 5, but it was it was a big deal in the UK, a lot of eyes on it. So after winning that, he had a lot of uh uh a bit of a buzz about him that he went to the UFC, started calling out TRT guys in an era where they were on it, and went on a skit afterwards and got cut.

SPEAKER_06 12:02

But he was a welterweight in the UFC, was he? Did he drop to Welterweight for the UFC? I think uh Or did he stay middleweight?

SPEAKER_03 12:09

Uh that I don't know. I'd say he stayed middleweight.

SPEAKER_06 12:12

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

That doesn't really matter. Middleweight, middleweight's what I got here in my notes. I know that's fair enough. Yeah. So but just calling someone on their T or T who's not expecting it in the cage is rare is rarely done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:26

So uh it's great to see you, love to see it. Yeah. Because as we've discussed before, I don't like, you know, when you're trying to discuss these type of topics like steroid abuse and performance enhancing drugs in MMA, and people just dismiss it with Irish or they're all on it. But that's not really fair on the guys that actually aren't on it and want to compete, you know, fair and square as nature intended. Because my rent-free moment is uh if you don't mind, I'm gonna take this opportunity to segue into going next because it's it's the same topic. Picograms. I was thinking, like, is there anything outside fighting that I never really got over in MMA? I never got over the picogram thing, you know, when John Jones was like, oh, but it's fine, it's only a peepogram, picogram, it's not a nanogram, it's just a uh and sure, it was probably there from from a previous abuse. And you look back at the previous class. It's fine, and and you're you look back, oh, okay, maybe you're kind of going, because at first you're kind of being gaslit and you're kind of going, oh, maybe it was there from the previous uh steroid infraction, and you look back and you're like, oh, it can't have been because that wasn't what he popped for. He didn't pop for uh Tyrannaball the last time, so they're just completely making that up.

SPEAKER_05 13:37

Is that a dinosaur?

SPEAKER_04 13:39

It helps, it helps the dinosaurs. It's a type of uh dinosaur sport. They it's volleyball for dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_06 13:47

Tyrannoball is basically what gave the East German female uh shot putters the masculine features. The nickname of it is Tram. I oh don't know, don't know much about it.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Seems to know a lot.

SPEAKER_06 14:01

I'm hiding uh a lifelong secret about uh I'm actually female. Tyrannoball. Um but the reason it stuck in my head wasn't so much the MMA thing, it was just like the power of the media because they wanted John Jones's fight to go ahead, they moved it to California. Do you remember? They moved the whole card to a different jurisdiction so John Jones could still fight. Unless I'm imagining that. Maybe I dreamt that.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

I remember both there was really dodgy stuff and how pissed off you were at the time.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

Yeah, pretty hot.

SPEAKER_04 14:33

I think you might have spoken about it on one of the deleted uh opening. Oh, did I? Okay, okay. See, there it is.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

We were all we were all sniffing to Ranaball and Rain ranting on about it. I remember I remember the UC were trying to educate us on and drag. Just think of a swimming pool and it's like just a tiny drop. That is what is like when you're having to educate the consumer on why his drug test doesn't matter, you're probably you're probably lying to us.

SPEAKER_06 14:54

Yeah, and I never really trusted the media again after that, if I'm honest.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Or after the Brock Lesnar stuff, because remember Brock Lesnar also kind of failed, but they kind of pushed the the inhaler. Uh that was Greg Hardy.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

No, no, that was the reason that uh Brock gave for failing it. He said that he uh it was a steroid inhaler he was using and that was inhaler!

SPEAKER_06 15:16

I don't know that. I I assume the Brock thing was afterwards because they kind of maybe realized that's the Mark Hunt fight that he popped. Yeah, was that after John Jones popped the John Jones thing that I'm talking about was around 2017, I think. Um I don't know when Brock fought Hunt.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

It was the it was you it was either it was a UC 200 where they the gold mats that really that really big card.

SPEAKER_06 15:40

Because they kind of realized, I think, at a certain point that oh, actually, if you saw it as effective, it might cost us money in terms of cards getting cancelled. Did you feel that?

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Yeah, and I think that um obviously now they're kind of done with it, right? Like it's like they pushed it, they pushed it out, it doesn't matter anymore. Like, so it's just let's stop losing us money by trying to push like trust and brand recognition. It doesn't matter anymore. Let's just go well well as. And I think we're gonna see that now in the Paramount era as well. It doesn't matter, let's just have fun.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Yeah, you know, fun guys, rankings don't matter, drug tests don't matter, just have let's get loose, you know. It's season 22, just fucking go for it. Who are you? Ido Portal.

unknown 16:21

What about you?

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Um, I have two. One of them, I don't know, it's a word you're not allowed to say anymore.

SPEAKER_06 16:27

Um, but um I secretly revealed that I'm a woman on Trem all these years.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

So there was a fight back with uh mayhem Miller where his corner was uh roaring in, use the retard strength. I think that one has always stuck with me every time I see that clip. I always laugh.

SPEAKER_06 16:46

Were they laughing when they said it? Were they smiling?

SPEAKER_02 16:48

No, it was serious. There was like this was a serious, like that was corner advice. It's similar to when the guy's teeth were falling out and the corner was saying, just breathe, just breathe.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

What's terrible about that, because I've seen that one recently, uh, is the corner shouting out use retard strength, you know, and that's like his cue to just lift him up and take him down. But Joe Rogan is like explaining why saying that. Well, he's trying to say he's got this amazing retard strength where he can pick anyone up. So, like, he's got this incredible, they're not saying he's retarded, he's got like a retard-like strength. It's like, Joe, you are not helping the situation here, you know. Fear was not a factor for you, Joe.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Oh man, that's funny. And then related to I I guess I have two real quick ones. One was related to what you're saying with the inhaler, but when Greg Hardy was fighting early in the UC, he was sitting in the corner to turn them around and give him his inhaler between rounds. I don't know if the fight continued after that, but obviously the inhaler opens the lungs and um is a steroid, so uh obviously you can't use it in the corner. Maybe it's something they should introduce though to get the heavyweights going.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Uh that was that was insane giving him uh yeah, yeah. He's had a lot of cardio issues in uh in the in the fights.

SPEAKER_04 18:00

What about you, Tom?

SPEAKER_05 18:01

I've won with Nick Diaz, and he's getting interviewed, and your one is kind of um she's talking about um how his image is taking down MMA, and he turns to her and he says, uh, we fight in a cage. I just love that bit that bit.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

Well said, well said, Mr. Diaz.

SPEAKER_05 18:22

Uh he's not he's not known for his uh I was kind of hoping you might try a bit of a impression there. I I I would I can't do one. I've only I can only be him. I can't I can't impersonate him.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

Yeah, you have more Maya Miller energy than Diaz. Retard strength. You've got that special strength.

SPEAKER_06 18:49

Have you questions and from the viewers?

SPEAKER_05 18:51

And like do we have no viewers? Is it in Taiwanese?

SPEAKER_04 18:55

While we're waiting, do we all understand the potency of my microwave thing? It's like if you put on a microwave to 99 minutes, which it allows you to, it will destroy itself. Have you ever tried that? No.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Ooh. So I have a couple questions.

SPEAKER_04 19:14

I thought, sorry. I thought that people might be more affected by that. Everyone's just looking at Marcus now for him to start. Shut up.

SPEAKER_06 19:22

No, I was gonna what I was gonna say was you know, you often bring up these philosophical conundrums, and speaking of things in rent-free in my head, do you remember you asked about when bread becomes toast? And I was actually thinking about that sadly for weeks afterwards until I finally got the what I think is the answer. I think the answer is never. And can I explain my reasoning? Because toast is a verb and bread is a noun. Interesting. So bread never becomes toast, but toast is the action. Toast is what you do, not what you are.

SPEAKER_07 19:58

Bread is a verb as well. I've seen porn when which people got bread. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

You bred my mind. Well, I'm glad we had this chat because you know now I've something else to think about. Look up two weeks. What what is bread porn? I'll show you later. Class.

SPEAKER_07 20:10

Over some UFC fights. Take your messages in.7 seconds.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

So anyway, the uh the I'm turn turning off flight mode. Yeah, yeah. Favorite uh segment of ours now where the listeners send in their questions about MMA, can be life, agony ants, you know, agony John. So uh this first question, uh, he's got a couple, greedy goose. Uh this is Connor from he really wants putting.

SPEAKER_05 20:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

This is Connor from Galway. And he also requested, could we say a happy birthday to him? Wish him a happy birthday message. Fair play brella. Which I obviously asked, what is your age? Which they replied, they responded 34. So happy birthday to Connor, happy 34. Fair play from everyone.

SPEAKER_04 20:57

Happy birthday, Connor.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

I hope he's not under 18. From everyone at the podcast, happy birthday.

SPEAKER_04 21:02

Uh so his first you get a handjob.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

Competition has really gone up here from putting huh. Uh so the first question is Is the White House card weird now because of the Trump Epstein stuff? So guys, is the the White House card weird now?

SPEAKER_05 21:28

They should they should have an Epstein Island uh U of C fight.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

Because of the Trump Epstein stuff. What do you think, John?

SPEAKER_04 21:34

I think um anything to do with Trump is there's uh probably never going to be a situation that is routine and quote unquote normal. I don't think it's possible. I think anything he touches turns to nuts. Um which would be great if you were a squirrel. But for the rest of us, it's just a constant circuit. The Trump circus, um, three ring, four ring, you name it.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Yeah, I I don't think it's any weirder than it already was that you know the president of the United States is supposed to be a UFC offend in his back garden.

SPEAKER_06 22:11

Some fighter, I can't remember who it was. I wish he could to give him credit because it was brilliant. Some guy goes, That's some hunger game shit.

SPEAKER_08 22:18

That was brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Yeah. Uh that's great.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Uh anyone else wanna No, I think it's it's aligned with what is expected, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_05 22:27

Bread and circuses. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:28

If I could, sorry, just to put on my boring half for a second. There's a fantastic documentary on YouTube called Hypernormalization. And if anyone wants the chance to get a bit of an insight into why politics are absolutely gone mental. And basically, for Putin, there was a guy working and he used to make things so ridiculous it had an effect on the populace where they're just like, I'm out, I'm totally zoning out of politics, I'm not going to be involved.

SPEAKER_06 22:52

That's happened to me. I am that person actually now.

SPEAKER_07 22:54

Yeah, it removes like the the investment in the power structures, and that's happened to me.

SPEAKER_04 23:01

Yeah, you're you're right about that boring hat.

SPEAKER_07 23:03

Anyway, let's get back to the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

That was that was hyper normal. Uh next next question from Connor, uh 34 years young. Uh, would anyone care about McGregor Diaz 3 at this stage? I would. Me. Yeah. Yeah, you you'd watch it.

SPEAKER_04 23:22

Uh no, I wouldn't watch it, I just care about it. Yeah. I think I think he uh McGregor's so much of a fucking dickhead now. Uh probably maybe he was always was, but we're seeing him for who he is. I don't give a fuck who he fights. Uh don't fuck about the guy. Fuck him. Dead to me. Dead to me.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

Well, you're taking real size of first Epstein, now McGregor. Well, it'd be fun because they're so righteous, holier than now.

SPEAKER_06 23:49

Mr.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

I'm perfect. John's John's woke. No, but I I feel like it would be the first time I'd be rooting for Diaz in a big way.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Yeah, I hear you. I think that uh Dustin showed that Connor can't withstand that level of violence anymore, anyway, right? Like that's gonna be a if it's a five-round fight, it's gonna go all five rounds. Diaz doesn't have the knockout power unless he submits him, which he did in in the second bout or was it first bout. Um, and then I don't think Connor has it in him anymore to really push that five rounds, especially after his his trip. I think he's too nice now. Look at um look at uh Deontay Wilder, for example. He did ayahuasca and he's a different type of fighter. And they they kind of when you do this type of type of psychedelic, you lose that killer instinct that's required for combat sports.

SPEAKER_05 24:35

Maybe we should all do psychedelics, the world would be a safer place right now.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

I think there's another another layer to that question is whatever about seeing those two fighters, seeing the trilogy of you know, is it oh they had one each. I think the interest is well gone for that. Time has passed. Uh it's more of a Netflix fight now at this stage. Because yeah, there'd be more in that. Uh that's another great and uh final question. We'll give him one more. He had loads of questions. He's a curious guy, this Connor. One fan. Yeah. If GSP, this one, this one assumes a lot as well. If GSP, Anderson Silva, and John Jones didn't exist, who is the goat?

SPEAKER_04 25:15

Fedor. Fedor's still the goat better than any of them, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Uh Kabib.

SPEAKER_06 25:20

Uh BJ for me.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

Not right now, Penny.

SPEAKER_06 25:22

We're doing a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

We're doing a podcast.

SPEAKER_06 25:27

You you used your teeth way too much. It's not on video. Come on.

SPEAKER_05 25:32

Marcus is going around just servicing video. It's not like anyone's recording this. I can get away with anything on this podcast.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Yeah, it is yeah. I think I think still have goats without the M3.

SPEAKER_06 25:48

I I wouldn't include John Jones in that category at all because if you take, say, John Jones needed to do performance-enhancing drugs to fight Cormier, where, say, BJ Penn didn't need performance-enhancing drugs to fight a formidable opponent, a weight division above him on short notice, Matt Hughes, and he beat him. Yeah, that's a good point. And as well, BJ Penn had a long run of wins at lightweight before winning the welterweight title. He also always sort of had he brought something new to the table as a trailblazer in the early days.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

Fought Machida at heavyweight.

SPEAKER_06 26:24

Yeah, fought all around the world, fought anybody, didn't pick his opponents when he was outside the UFC, took fights at short notice. And was like he managed to fight Machida to a draw. Well, it was Machida won the judge's decision, but it was a draw. So I think maybe the whole John Jones thing, we'll never know would he have beat Gustafson if he wasn't on Pede's. But I suspect because that was a close fight that he probably wouldn't have.

SPEAKER_04 26:48

Just on another note, and again, it's not nothing to do with being woke like, but what about Amanda Nunes? You know, what about women?

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Yeah, it's a lot to be said for Amanda Nunes. Amanda Nunes has been the goat. Yeah, a lot to be said for that.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

You know, or Mighty Mouse, small people.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Yeah, I don't know. I I fair enough having the you know female in the comp the in the conversation, but not a small person, John. We gotta have some sort of you know criteria for goat status. If you can't go on every ride at Disneyland, you can't be the goat.

SPEAKER_04 27:22

In fairness, Mighty Mouse probably is has to be up there in any conversation. And newness.

SPEAKER_05 27:30

You gotta have two goats because if you only have one goat, the goat's gonna leave the field. You gotta tie the two goats together, otherwise it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_06 27:37

Okay, so my criteria would be and shoot this down if you don't agree. Number one, a long run in their own weight division, which Mighty Mouse definitely had. Number two, they have to win the belt to weight division above, which now a lot of people have done, but you know, um, number three, for me, they have to have not a sniff of performance enhancing drugs. Um, you can't have a sniff of that because there's other guys way back the queue who have done almost equally as good things who haven't had it.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

It comes back then to Connor's point. Uh like, is are those three fighters uh do they fall within that? Is GSP? Do we think GSP could be in the conversation for a GOAT for sure?

SPEAKER_06 28:17

I know, but I'm saying that uh for for drug-free well, as far as we know, he is like obviously you know you could make the case but he's never popped, so you know I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Yeah, so maybe just change the criteria a bit uh has to be very good at taking the drugs that they don't pop on tests. Yeah, that could be a good idea.

SPEAKER_06 28:37

Well that that yeah, see the problem with that is that the problem with that is a criteria is not everyone who's good at avoiding tests is is gonna be good at fighting. You know what I mean? So the that's why it's the last criteria. Like the first two criteria are very important, yeah. You know, long run of wins in your weight division, winning the next weight division up. The third criteria is just when you take all the people who've done that, did any of them pop? Because otherwise, am I not giving it to GSP just because I assume he was on drugs? Like, that's not really right.

SPEAKER_04 29:08

I don't think it's always a sense I've had around him, which is probably unfair. So I apologise, GSP.

SPEAKER_06 29:14

I I'm sorry. Yeah, you could be right, I don't know. But where where do you like someone else might say to me, Well, you you think BJ Penn was clean, someone else might say, I don't think he was. I think he had crystal meth issues later in life. But well, that's the other thing that affects his legacy, like BJ Penn, because he lost like 10 fights in a row at the end, people won't consider him a GOAT, whereas Kabib he had a lot of wins in his own weight division, but he never went up and did anything at well to weight. So he kind of stopped at a good time in his career on beaten, and it always looks better. But if you compare BJ, if you pair it compare Kabib with Henry Sahoudo, like Henry Sahudo won, had a long run at his weight division, and he won the next weight up and didn't pop.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

I think we're in an era now though, with maybe Islam where Islam can be the potential of he's popped already, though. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_05 30:02

Not the religion.

SPEAKER_06 30:05

But I agree with you, Islam is that. It's just that he popped early in his career. Now I know it's since been rescinded, but given like the amount of people popping as well from his uh not just his camp, but from his manager's orbit.

SPEAKER_03 30:22

Did Anderson Silva pop?

SPEAKER_06 30:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

But it was later, it was after he kind of went downhill anyway. He popped. I don't think he popped in his prime.

SPEAKER_06 30:29

Uh also he didn't win the light heavyweight title. See, it's really hard to do. It's really hard to win the title, the the weight division above you.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

Maybe if we cancel out John Jones, it might be Daniel Cormier.

SPEAKER_06 30:39

Yeah, I could well be. He never popped, as far as I know.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Yeah, DC.

SPEAKER_06 30:44

Once you pop, you just can't stop. He's one of my all-time favorites, Daniel. Yeah. Yeah. Because he won in correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he won in a different did he win a double champ in a different organization as well.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Yeah, he was light heavy and then heavy.

SPEAKER_06 30:56

In strike force or something.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

Strike force light heavy and then Uf C heavy.

SPEAKER_06 31:00

He didn't win the he didn't win the two in Strike Force.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

He won the heavyweight Grand Prix in Strike Force. He fought Josh Barnett and Josh Barnett wasn't a light heavyweight.

SPEAKER_04 31:09

Was he not always uh heavyweight in Strike Force, John? You're right. He wasn't a light heavyweight in Strike Force.

SPEAKER_06 31:15

Strike Force. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Yeah, I think he did. Did he not do light heavy in UC and heavyweight?

SPEAKER_06 31:19

He did in the UFC, yeah, but not in Strike Force. But he he won three titles, strike force, heavyweight, and two in the UFC. It's pretty it's pretty impressive. Now he did have towelgate, but I'm not so I'm not so worried about that.

SPEAKER_04 31:30

That's a bit of cracking. Like you get away with that. Like if they let him away with that, then fucking.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

We explain what towel gate is to people who may not be familiar with towels or clots. It's a type of porn that Les looks like.

SPEAKER_06 31:43

Marcus, I'll I'll let you explain because I know that at the time you follow that very closely, I think.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

Yeah, so it's at the weigh-ins holding on to the towel to take a little bit of weight, some of the pressure off the scale. Apparently, it's what a lot of the uh competitive wrestlers do when they're cheating on the scales, and Daniel Cormier did that because the 205 cut was really hard for him uh to do. So he he was spotted doing it, but it was kind of media talk as opposed to he was ever not going to be allowed to fight over it.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

It's uh it's up to the level of the curling scandal, uh ongoing curling scandal. Well, apparently um one of uh the Canadian curlers in the Olympics, um, you know, when they're pushing the uh object uh right at the end, he stuck out his finger and gave it a little nudge. No way, and it caused, you know, actually I saw a very funny. Do you ever watch Garen Noon? Is it Garen Noon? He's such a funny guy, but I he he did a really funny thing on it earlier on. We'll get Garen Noon to come on the podcast, yeah. So did the guy get caught for that? Yeah, it's disqualified. Yeah, it's probably the same extent as Towelgate in the sense that it is um kind of comical, you know, and and Cormier doing that kind of stuff. Is that legitimate cheating or is it a bit of gamesmanship?

SPEAKER_05 33:02

But but also he's carrying weight, anyways. It's not you know, he's carrying actual fat. That like if if he was shredded, I'd be like, okay, that's that's pure muscle. But like, but he's he's carrying fat from Apple Tart.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

He's a cheeky job. I want my goat to be a bit of a rogue, not not doing steroids, just being cheeky. What about that really a big country Nelson?

SPEAKER_05 33:23

What about him?

SPEAKER_02 33:26

Definitely rent for it. But um, related to Daniel Cormy, he'll be the only one to ever do that because there was a guy on the UC Australia that tried to do it, and now he's cutting his queers over because um he missed weight and he tried to do Talgate, took like five pounds off.

SPEAKER_06 33:40

Trailblazer, Daniel Cormy.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Yeah, yeah, he's the only one. So he's the goat.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

So I'm happy to say DC is the would be the goat. He'd cover that mountain.

SPEAKER_07 33:50

Uh there was a bit of consensus there among you that like Fedor would be like the goat, and I'm just reading up that he was never in UFC. Does that matter at all? He was never in like the topic.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Yeah, I think when he when he was when he was the firing and all cylinders, uh, Pride was the place to be. That was the more competitive organization, but also I'd say massive steroid user, and also fought a lot of guys lighter than him. Never been popped, pad a record of him.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

Never been popped, never been popped. And he fought guys who were way heavier than him, too. I didn't he fight that sumo wrestler guy. He was never shredded, probably the steroids, but never popped.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

He's done a lot of joke fights, you're right, John.

SPEAKER_06 34:27

If you're saying Islam Akjev or John Jones now, they might say, Well, your criteria, Vincent, is not that they care, but they might say it's not fair because Fedor wasn't getting tested, and we were. So I don't know. I don't know what you do about that.

SPEAKER_05 34:42

Like push-ups before the fight.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

I don't I don't think were there drug tests in pride?

SPEAKER_04 34:47

No, no, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

There's people selling drugs openly at Pride.

SPEAKER_04 34:51

There's people injecting in the ring.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

There was a lot there was a lot of testing of drugs.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Yes, they were more into that, they're more innovative in the testing and usage of drugs. How far can we push it? And that's how you get that's how science advances.

SPEAKER_04 35:04

And I I'm I'm a total fanboy of his, so maybe he's not a legitimate contender for a goat, but from my point of view, he he'll be number one forever. And he's a fat ball guy.

SPEAKER_05 35:17

There was a cult following behind him for A's.

SPEAKER_06 35:19

And he could have fought it like heavyweight if he'd wanted to go on a diet. Yeah, he wasn't that big a dude.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

I I'm just a fan of fat ball guys, uh DC and Fador in particular. Yeah, and I'm saying incredible fights against incredible fighters. There's no doubt about that. Hit some fluff around the edges as well, but fucking so did Kabib, you know.

SPEAKER_06 35:39

Just his fight IQ was insane. The way he'd come over people's punches, um, or he'd wait till they punch and then nip in when they were bringing their hand back and punch them in the face and get to clinch. I did so it was made. Reactive explosivity. Hit the fact that they go There's no drug for that.

SPEAKER_03 35:55

There's no drug for that. Absolutely. Uh right. We we'll move on to another question. This one's from a user. Their name is not on their page, it's Dragonfly20. Okay, it's a voice note. So let's play this. Voice note? I know we got voice notes. Did you uh censor this? Uh I've listened to it before though. Okay, okay. I know uh motherfuckers. Did you censor yourself, Tom? That was me, that was Dragonfly 56. Les maybe just bleep out what he said so it sounds like he said something a lot worse as well. Me saying that. Okay, so you ready for the question?

SPEAKER_01 36:40

Hey, uh hello, it's uh Francois. Uh uh Marcus, he told me uh there is a question for MMA podcast. Uh I would just like to ask uh Tom where is the best place uh to go juggling uh on fed the juggling uh in Galway with uh without uh without shoes. Where is that?

SPEAKER_05 37:09

Thanks, Chris. Um Dragonfly 20. Is he is he back from Malta? Is he? Appears to be a French man. You'd miss Chris around the phone. You'd miss him, you would. Yeah, I'd say Spanish Arch Chris. Uh head Spanish arch upon somewhere, you'd be fine.

SPEAKER_03 37:28

All right. Now, many listeners will remember, and also yeah, the esteemed podcast panel will remember Emmett from uh the last questions answered. Now he sent in voicemails so people could hear his beautiful voice. Uh so he's got you'll get to know the man more, I suppose. Uh so here is some questions from Emmett. Here's the first one.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Hi guys, longtime listener, part-time stalker. My first question is uh is a personal one. Um it concerns the song Flock of Seagulls. I ran away. What do you think the guy who wrote the song run away from? And what's the last thing you ran away from in your life?

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Okay, uh so you want to jump in there?

SPEAKER_07 38:18

I actually think it's about the country Iran, Iran, Iran so far away.

SPEAKER_04 38:25

It's not uh an obvious thing that he's running away from a flock of seagulls. It's actually really it's like fucking flock of seagulls looking after my chips, you know, my ice cream. Um, yeah, so who knows what you were? The last thing I ran away from. Don't mention that. The w the was a wedding I was at recently.

SPEAKER_05 38:46

No, no, I'm not mentioning why. No, I got the fuck out of there.

SPEAKER_06 38:51

There is there, I we've just to the listeners.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

That was John Garrison.

SPEAKER_06 38:55

I just want to ask John, like, is there any way, John, that you could tell that story to make it palatable to the world? And I'm not saying censor yourself, but is there any way you could sort of tell that story, get the gist of it across, and put your aircode in at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

I just ran away from a person who uh I wasn't fond of their company. Male or female, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they're male or female. It doesn't matter what they wanted to do to you either. We don't need to go into that. You know, um you know it it's not sometimes it's not okay to to touch people in their special parts, you know. So um yeah, sometimes it's just um people out there that are unsavory characters, but you can't beat up for whatever reason. You just can't be beating people up. I think that's the thing. Sometimes people deserve to get beaten up, but sometimes you will end up probably uh on the wrong side of things, on the wrong side of history.

SPEAKER_06 39:54

Were they making weird noises as well?

SPEAKER_04 39:56

There was some weird noises, there was a lot of weirdness, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 39:58

So I training in Andrew Galvo's afternoon.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

She literally, literally ran out of there, yeah, got out of there. Yeah, so there you go now. Yeah, trauma, trauma.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

Can anyone top the uh running away moment?

SPEAKER_05 40:10

I can't remember the last time I ran away.

SPEAKER_04 40:12

Yeah, okay. But you're also tough.

unknown 40:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

John's gone for a cigarette. Some man makes an appropriate advance of me at a wedding. I'm gonna go with it. Because I'd rather that than not run away. That's how tough I am. I wouldn't want to make it awkward. Sometimes you just gotta go with it.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Did you make sure you take his hooks out so he doesn't get your back? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:35

Because I don't wanna I don't wanna be seen as discriminatory in any way. You know, that's why I have sex with everyone. Even if you don't want to, don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

I think we've answered that question for him quite nicely. He's got a he's got a second one here.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

Do you think crotch stuffing is common in MMA circles?

SPEAKER_03 40:53

So, do you think crotch stuffing is common in MMA circles? Are showers not a thing afterwards?

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Why were Dirk Lewis's balls hot?

SPEAKER_06 41:05

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 41:06

The extra sock in there.

SPEAKER_06 41:08

Do you remember Conor McGregor had that weigh-in? Yeah, yeah. So and then later he went on to get an operation, I assume an extension operation, and when he recovered, she took that picture online. So if he wasn't crotch stuffing, who was, you know?

SPEAKER_05 41:24

He was doing the next the next best thing. He was actually adding to his crotch.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

I presume you're talking about the Mayweather weigh-in face-off. Where's that one? That was the one where he like got a three-quarters erect during it.

SPEAKER_04 41:42

No, that was another one where we got full full boner. Yeah. I can't remember which one it was. No, it was uh ages and ages ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

I know we haven't spoken about this previously on the fear boners. Fear boners. The adrenaline, uh, and it goes back to the study in the Vietnam War of the adrenaline people facing during war and that fight or fight where they're getting erections.

SPEAKER_05 42:04

Is it not a wake-cutting trick that if if if he's able to rest his boner on the towel, that he'll be able to take away most of the weight?

SPEAKER_03 42:11

Wherever the the scale is measuring, put the blood away from it.

SPEAKER_06 42:16

See, this is why we have so many female listeners. They love to get this sort of um sensitive insight into what is predominantly not not exclusively, but predominantly the male culture of MMA.

SPEAKER_03 42:27

It'll probably be clickbait now on like a cosmopolitan site or something, or women's weekly, you know, things things you wish you knew. Uh yeah, and also uh hello Taiwan listeners.

SPEAKER_04 42:39

In terms of the Vietnamese war, we're big in Taiwan.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

We're big in Taiwan.

SPEAKER_04 42:43

We are actually whoever's listening to us in Taiwan, hi, how's it going?

SPEAKER_05 42:48

You know, don't bring up the Vietnam War though.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

Yeah, no, I was just I was just gonna say, like, how shit would you feel about yourself if you'd got shot and died with a boner? Or would that be a good way to agree with it? You know, would it?

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Yeah. Depends if the blood, if it had gone to your heart instead, you would have lived. Yeah, some hard questions there from Emmett. Uh here's his last one now. Uh I believe this is a juicy one.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Amanda Nunes has publicly stated she has never had worked a normal nine to five jobs before becoming an MMA champion. Why does the panel think that more uh uh Irish people that are on the dole don't win world championships?

SPEAKER_03 43:29

It's a good question.

SPEAKER_05 43:30

Well sorry, shut up. But but it's not is not where Conor McGregor came from. Wasn't he not able to go? Isn't loads of fighters are training on the training well on the dole?

SPEAKER_06 43:41

I think it's because there's three reasons, three main reasons. I think number one, we don't have a wrestling culture of any kind. So if you get into MMA, like you're 17, 18, you haven't done wrestling as a kid, which is a disadvantage. You haven't even done jujitsu as a kid until until recently. Last ten years. Number two, we have a boxing culture. And um although punching people in the face with your hands is very good in a fight, our boxing culture in Ireland, the way they stand, they have their leg forward in such a way that if you do that in MA, the person will just kick the leg out from under you. And it's hard for people to change something if they have been doing boxing from say six or seven and they suddenly transition to MA. It's hard to do that at 17.

SPEAKER_07 44:26

Why does America have such a wrestling would that have come from Eastern Europe from the immigrants who probably brought it over? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 44:32

I don't probably. Well uh m melting pot, but you know, certainly collar and elbow.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

It was a midlands kind of a sport as well, wasn't it? And that that was all German. That was all German immigrants.

SPEAKER_04 44:46

Well like and that catch wrestling went over collar and elbow from Ireland. Like it's everyone went over, but I suppose over there, if if you think about who went over, it's the toughest and strongest, and there was kind of like people who wanted to show off and what have you, uh or let off some steam or whatever it was. But surely um, you know, when you get situations like in Ireland where there was a massive wrestling culture, huge wrestling culture in Ireland, pre-famine, and then a lot of the strong strongest male wrestlers left uh and went over there.

SPEAKER_05 45:20

And the Marx of Queensbury came in.

SPEAKER_04 45:23

Well, uh they they would have been the people going on to shows saying, Can anyone beat me for twenty dollars or what have you? And folk style wrestling combined with then Greco later on, you know, so it's that melting pot kind of uh situation whereby uh tough dudes in America, you know.

SPEAKER_05 45:41

And that's where the word term fair boxing comes from. Do you ever hear people saying fair boxing when they're boxing each other? It comes from it just it doesn't mean be fair, it means fight like they do in the fair, the root fair roots.

SPEAKER_06 45:50

That's very interesting. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:53

Now f yeah. Yeah, claw la scullia. And also the other thing is the third factor I think is that if you actually look at it, there's not that many unemployed people in Ireland. And the ones that are unemployed, a lot of them are working anyway, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 46:05

Our trive, our thriving economy. Hashtag delivery.

SPEAKER_06 46:10

But but the other thing is, can I can I get you back to it just occurred to me there, you're talking about say America and and the wrestling culture there. You know the way in America and like and and Russia as well, there's strong support for wrestling. And I wonder what to do with the Cold War as well. Like the government poured money into those sports, like if you go to an American school, you know, six, seven times out of ten, you can probably find a wrestling program there in their secondary schools. Imagine if we had that here. And I think Russia, I don't know if they support it statewide in Russia, but wrestling's really popular in certain parts of Russia, isn't it? So it probably isn't a school.

SPEAKER_05 46:42

If you want to do like uh P you go to universities for sports universities in China, and you can do wrestling as well. And you can just do wrestling as as a as a sport, or you might have to do a few different sports, but you and you pick your main one. Uh in China, the same thing, they've got universities just for just for the jocks. So you've got and then and then obviously the cream of the crop of that rises up, but uh it's yeah, different culture.

SPEAKER_06 47:03

So we need Ireland to kind of be on a war footing with some other country and for the government to pour money into teaching young men and women how to fight for wrestling.

SPEAKER_05 47:11

If we're a university for sport, it would be all ga. It would be just the we would, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 47:17

I was gonna say if we do that, let's pick a country we can really trance like St. Lucia or something like that. Malta. Yeah, we bait the Malteseers.

SPEAKER_04 47:27

I think Malta has a fairly good um folk style wrestling setup down there, Celtic Wrestling, then yeah. So you're like Hacky Sack with Malta. Well stick with Les of St. Lucia then. Yeah. St. Lucia, yeah. And we could go and visit there, that'd be nice. Where is where is St. Lucia? Jim Invasion. Uh it's near uh uh St. Kitts and uh the cave. We could definitely beat him at some point. If you're you know we go past uh in a sheer and stay going. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

Uh we've got one more question. Uh it's also a voice from uh he's from Germany because we're international here.

SPEAKER_04 48:12

German Gerity.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Hello and Wunderbar greetings. Uh that is the Wolfgang. Uh I am a fan of your uh podcast and uh I was wondering uh could you tell me because I I am a fan of the MMA uh hey Tom, could you tell me where is the best place uh to set up a tent and wash your clothes in uh a lake? Uh this is good uh MMA question, Vudab.

SPEAKER_05 48:41

Alright, so uh dank for das on a scheiß es gibt luft nach ober, ja wer hat ein Laus obedi lebe gelaufen, Chris?

SPEAKER_07 48:54

It's lovely to hear a bit of Irish on the podcast. Tom, both the questions were like of you living like a transient lifestyle. Why are you being asked these things?

SPEAKER_05 49:03

Because I live a transient lifestyle. I don't know if do I have to answer that. Now, if you're going to I it depends on where you are, uh Wolfgang Chris. Um that was Jared from Germany. Yeah, but his name, he said it was he said his name was Wolfgang.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

I don't speak German.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

You don't speak German accents.

SPEAKER_04 49:22

It's a German for Jared, apparently.

SPEAKER_05 49:25

Um I think I would go out to my Cullen and there's uh there's loads of lovely lakes around there, Loch Hara right beside there, loads of kind of um Ross Lake. Oh Ross Lake, and you could you could camp there, you could even get some get some uh vegetarian fish. Um you could you can you can harvest some reeds and you can wash your wash your clothes there, you can kind of rub the the gill cook together and make a little lather for yourself.

SPEAKER_06 49:51

What's the most transient thing you've ever done?

SPEAKER_05 49:54

This podcast.

SPEAKER_06 49:57

Like, have you have you ever spent like two nights or three nights sleeping outdoors? I spent no nowhere to go and no home and stuff. I I was homeless in China beforehand.

SPEAKER_05 50:09

That's that's awesome. I I tell us I I I wasn't I figured I wasn't actually able to read the Chinese on my first day in China, and I land I landed anyways. And how many days did it take you? I was actually I was pretty good and picked it up pretty quickly. I freaking I picked it up pretty fast. Um but but uh when I went when we landed when I landed in Xinjiang, I I was by myself. Uh this that's the northwest China, that's where the the Ugar live, and uh the Chinese people love to homogenize their culture there. Um but uh um I f I was trying to find this this place where I was meant to be living, and I couldn't find it, and I ended up sleeping in a bush for for quite some time for for but it was fine. It's cold, isn't it, at five in the morning? Like oh yeah, just cover your head. Cover your head. You yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:59

Would the Chinese authorities frown upon uh being homeless in the No, I'm white.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

Uh they didn't care about me. If if a Uyghur was homeless now, they'd probably pick them up and re-educate them.

SPEAKER_07 51:10

Yeah, but why are they pretending to be like a black person? I mean, just like embrace yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

We're all reeling after that one. Let's go back to the documentaries next week.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

Do you have any more questions? Uh that that uh concludes our uh question.

SPEAKER_04 51:30

That's that's keeping it. That's about an hour.

SPEAKER_05 51:34

I have a mystery if you want. Oh, yeah, just a mystery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have a song for the mystery? Yeah, see yourself with the mystery.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

I think we could just cut the the last song in. It's a mystery, it's a podcast.

SPEAKER_05 51:44

Um underneath your chairs, you'll find a clue. I'd like to hear the song though, because I just kind of like it.

unknown 51:50

Yeah, we find it.

SPEAKER_03 51:51

I want to see it live before. I'd love to hear it too, guys, but that was last week.

unknown 51:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 51:56

Okay. Yeah, it's the same as it again. This is this is live, I suppose. You don't always get what you want to do.

SPEAKER_05 52:01

And could we just all go like wow and clap for Marcus after he finished this an enigma wrapped in a mystery?

SPEAKER_03 52:10

Oh, what is it? He's strangely specific about Pride FC dance history. Oh you can try and figure him out, but you won't. The secret he keeps in his mouth and his coat. Tom's mystery of MMA. Woo hoo woo!

SPEAKER_06 52:45

That was a really good song. Way better than the first performance.

SPEAKER_05 52:48

Well, I've memorized it, Vinny, and it's paid off. So the mystery is uh mystery uh uh pride fighter. Well, I know that's about under the chairs again. Oh, yeah, you gotta put your hands underneath your chairs and you've got to put out an envelope, and there's a mystery under there waiting for you. H E has a quarter of the clue, you've got to put them all together to make the thing.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Right. You have taken criticism and you've turned it into Tesla, you know.

SPEAKER_04 53:15

I was waiting for Vinny to shut me down. Okay, just so the listeners uh are aware, I have a picture of Barbie, but it's a Barbie that is where how would you describe that?

SPEAKER_07 53:28

A kind of uh that's a Ken doll. It's a Ken, no, but it's it's a type of porn. Oh, is that Ken? That's Ken. That's Ken, yeah. He's got pants on. He's wearing double denim. He's wearing uh a jacket that's not dissimilar to your own, John.

unknown 53:42

But that's not Ken.

SPEAKER_07 53:43

That's Barbie.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Is it not? It's a blondie blue-eyed Ken.

SPEAKER_03 53:47

Look at the crotch. Yeah, that's oh, that is actually ambiguous. It's like it looks like Barbie is wearing an Aphrodite version.

SPEAKER_06 53:55

That dude needs to get some tram in quick.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

Like that looks to me. Anyway, it's so I have Ken.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

So is Ken Chameron the answer?

unknown 54:04

No.

SPEAKER_02 54:07

I'll explain what I have. I have a key. No, it's an old key, but it is in fact a key.

unknown 54:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

You've got the key, he's got the secret.

SPEAKER_06 54:15

No, I'm sorry, I've got a picture of a fireman we won't name, who we all know who works locally. Tom is in uh court, or someone called Tom, picture of someone called Tom as a defendant, and there's a judge banging the gavel aggressively. So there's three things in that picture.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

And I have uh a picture of a deer wearing a hat, and it says pronouns she, her, deer.

SPEAKER_04 54:37

Oh, this is very tricky. This don't do a transgender ideology. Welcome to my mystery. When I saw the Ken Key, I thought it was Genki Sodu. Genki Sue Doll.

SPEAKER_05 54:51

Do a dear, a female deer. Very good. And Sue. Oh! Sue! Very good.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

Do you know what helps there usually was the It was all the right order, but I didn't even plan that. It was just a random order, but there you go.

SPEAKER_06 55:05

Yeah, there you go. That was a deer. Tom, that was amazing. And John, your brain is absolutely astounding. Text in the answer, and you'll get a bottle of putch in.

SPEAKER_05 55:14

Oh sorry. What's I'm not supposed to No, no, you're fine. That was for you.

SPEAKER_06 55:20

No, it's it's amazing that you put that together like a flash of just inspiration.

SPEAKER_05 55:25

Why a deer, a female deer? So I printed uh a Don't she I was kind of like that's a fawn. And then I was like, but I'll have to make her feminine, like a woman. So I put lipstick on her and a beautiful hat, and I put her pronouns in there. So she's definitely a fully grown female woman deer.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

What a beautifully visual uh uh mystery for an audio podcast like that.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

And all uh all wild animals in old English were called deer. It's only recent, it's only well, not recent times, but they after that they developed m other names for wild animals.

SPEAKER_07 56:02

But when no one had money in those days, that's why they're all deer.

SPEAKER_06 56:08

That was class. Maybe, maybe, um would John be able to see us out with another philosophical question that'll get in my head for a while, or will we just leave it there?

SPEAKER_04 56:17

What is the one thing that if you had right now would make everything better for you? The one thing you might need that if you had right now makes everything better. And again, money is an easy thing, but really would that make everything better?

SPEAKER_03 56:43

You should get a TED talk for yourself. I just in your head I can see your picture in six microwaves to their full potential.

SPEAKER_04 56:54

Well the microwave, like you know, that's that's that's not necessarily uh a philosophical thing. That's just a kind of a a tragedy, you know. Well, if you want to find out the answer to that question, listeners, you'll have to tune into the next podcast. Yeah, and give give Vinny a couple of weeks to think about it.

SPEAKER_05 57:11

Great one, John.

SPEAKER_08 57:12

Thanks.

SPEAKER_05 57:16

Is it happiness? Holy barracuda. That was a great podcast. There's no right answer.

SPEAKER_07 57:25

Is it love? I preferred the ones about a duck flying or walking or something. If there's no right answer, what's the fucking point? I prefer your earlier work.

SPEAKER_04 57:35

Well, I you didn't, I that was just I wasn't prepared.

SPEAKER_06 57:38

Like I thought it was very good. I'm actually gonna be thinking about that for the next couple weeks.

SPEAKER_05 57:42

It's the answer preparation, so what's the average speed of a fart? There's there's three words for fart in Irish. There's a tough hug, a root con and a bream. I thought it was tutog. There's tut hog, come on. Well, uh tough hog, tuk hug, um, but that's the silent one. Tough hog is a silent one. A roo-con makes a loud noise, and breams is just your normal shite. Shade your foul.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

You keep talking like that, we're gonna get ourselves a grant.

SPEAKER_05 58:08

Sponsored by Ud Rostigel. Okay, keep it crabby. Keep it crabby. Sorry, I meant to say crabby. Someone's on Tyrantosaurus. He's shocked to his core.

SPEAKER_06 58:25

Shook to his corvajan's question.

SPEAKER_05 58:28

Trum trumbo trum tremblone. What's it called? It's called Tyranno Tyrannosaurus? I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 58:34

Because it's the strange rules I can.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

Strange rules, I can He's got the key, he's got the secret