Episode 7: Entering the Dragon

 The Strange Wolves are back, and this week we dragged Steven Seagal's 'Marked for Death' into the ring for a no-holds-barred review! 🎬 We're talking Seagal's legendary 'Q angle' running style, plot holes you could drive a truck through, and a politically motivated zero rating for the man himself. After all that how many  Blood Sports will it score?

But the chaos doesn't stop there! We also dive deep into a listener's burning question: Is MMA as a sport dying? From oversaturation to the rise of 'professional' athletes, we're spilling the tea (and maybe some blood). Plus, find out our ideal walkout songs! 🎤

What terrible movie should we dissect next? And what's YOUR ultimate walkout anthem? Let us know in the comments! 👇

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Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:00

Hello. Shut the fuck up. Hello. Shut the fuck up. Hello. Today's podcast is brought to you by people who don't want young people to listen to what we're talking about. So if you are young, under the age of 18, be gone.

SPEAKER_09 0:17

We're professionals. That is one thing for sure. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Strange Worlds podcast. I am Vincent. I'm here with the wonderful Les, the amazing John, the brilliant Marcus, the ever-intellectual Darren. And the wildcard, Tom. That doesn't mean thanks for the compliment. That doesn't mean you're not wonderful or intellectual or brilliant.

SPEAKER_08 0:39

But it doesn't mean I am either.

SPEAKER_09 0:42

In search Irish motto, Greg a motto that would, you know, old Greg a saying that would suit the occasion. Ding Jahin a squilching a low one. There you go, Marcus View Song.

SPEAKER_05 1:00

Boys, how long's it gonna last?

SPEAKER_08 1:02

30 minutes to the break to another 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 1:05

John is uh holding the mic between Les's legs and camera now. It looks quite oh, people can see it now. Awesome.

SPEAKER_08 1:12

It's uncanny.

SPEAKER_05 1:13

It's exactly the same as Les's. And Dana White's been a dirty flirt. He's telling us it would be the best show on earth. A million title fights, the best of the best. The internet broke by Kim Cardassian's ass. Connor was suggested proper deal top shelf. John Jones wouldn't miss it, he'll even drive himself. Then the big reveal, the card was undressed. People were shocked, the chat groups were depressed. Reactions were soft in a White House cart. People spoke, they didn't get heart. So if you're looking for some action without a blue pill, Ronda Jimmy have a Netflix and chill. So with your king kids' names from the past. June in the summer, I don't take your last penny. Bingano! Junior Dos Santos, Pegou B. Bingano, Piaz, Junior Do Santos. Watching this card. You won't need your pants on. Maybe some side effects. Read instructions.

SPEAKER_09 2:36

That was beautiful. That was that was absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_07 2:39

That's probably the best one yet. I'm just glad that Les's asshole is out of my face.

SPEAKER_09 2:47

Yesterday. So anybody who's an original gangster listener to the podcast and OG, I believe the young people refer to it as, will remember that we used to do movie reviews. It's kind of something that we've touched on or flirted with doing for a while.

SPEAKER_05 3:04

Big time, big time. We and our OG listeners will remember that we had a scoring chart for how good a movie was. It was the blood sport. It was how many blood sports did I get out of five? Which I I think we should bring back in. Five being the ultimate amount of blood sports, one being the the least amount, Tom.

SPEAKER_06 3:23

Right. I agree.

SPEAKER_09 3:28

So I thought first maybe Les would give us a synopsis, if that's the word, of the movie, and then we might either interject or follow on with our thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

When his family is targeted, he goes full revenge mode. So it starts off with a running scene, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_08 3:56

Have you seen the the the way Steve Stephen Segal runs?

SPEAKER_09 3:59

He runs like He's got a he's got a Q angle like a girl.

SPEAKER_08 4:03

Like a Q angle like a gun.

SPEAKER_09 4:05

He's got a Q angle like a girl.

SPEAKER_08 4:06

His hand goes weird and his his hips going strange. He runs like he doesn't run.

SPEAKER_09 4:11

Yeah, the Q angle is like that angle between the width of your hips and your knee. So it often indents on females because their hips are wider. And it makes a difference to your gait when you run, and Stephen Zegal has a female Q angle.

SPEAKER_08 4:25

Wow. He's got some gait in him.

SPEAKER_05 4:27

That's that's him that's important stuff. Uh I go deep, man, when I have to watch a movie.

SPEAKER_08 4:34

He runs a phenomenal amount of time in that movie. He goes to Jamaica. Like he and I don't even believe Jamaica's Jamaica because it looks like Arabia. It's it they got like the domes and the houses and stuff. I feel like they were just going, let's go, let's mix all the foreigners together.

SPEAKER_09 4:49

We'll have the Jamaicans and they'll be Arabs and they'll have there was a Grant probably in somewhere in the Middle East to film a movie. Tax break. Eddie Grant.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Hey come on, hey, uh there's a reference that everyone will get.

SPEAKER_05 5:02

Let's rock down to Will uh will the podcast crew indulge me in playing an intro song to the discussion on the movie. My name is John Hatcher. I'm just searching for some peace, but it's hard when screw faces drugging up the streets. I'm marked for dead. Marked for dead, henchman to hookers, no one's safe from my gun. I only know the fence of strike, so take me by the hand. Marked for dead, marked for dead. Take the other hand. I have a specific set of skills from ponytails to fist, but the follow-in is not on that list. Running, it's harder than it looks. Kicking above the waist, I'm not a geminist. I'm marked for dead. Marked for dead. The twin twist was brazen, and throughout the movie I'll be dressing slightly Asian Cause you would be running funny too. If the Grim Reaper was coming for you. Now, John, your Jamaican rhyme. No, hold on. I just want to tell you the text I got earlier on.

SPEAKER_07 6:55

I'm not gonna read it out for you. Um let's talk about pressure, right? Okay. So I got this text earlier on from Marcus saying um It was voicemail. Oh, it's a voicemail, yeah. So basically the idea that he had proof wouldn't it be cool if you could break into a reggae style rap using all the rap lingo and all that kind of stuff? And I was like, okay, and then I was thinking about it for a while, and then I ended up going on to ChatGPT saying, Can you help me make a reggae rap? Because I don't know any of the reggae words, and then it misunderstood and actually wrote the song, and maybe Les, you can attach that on at the end. I was doing it uh a song about China Crano, Chino Crano against uh Ronda Rousey, and it did the song was just mad stupid. But anyway, and then I was like, I actually wrote out a rap uh based on Mark for Death that would have fit perfectly in there, uh and it was based on only on the dialogue that the Jamaicans were given. So things like everybody wanna go heaven, nobody wants debts, real, you are a blood clot, you are a bumba clot, batty hole, you uh work for I Man now, you do the selling, you uh be the mule. Well, I added in Shaba, because it's like Shaba. Uh but anyway, uh yeah, and then just as you were singing that, I was like, I'm not too fucking doing that. So uh no, I I'm not doing it. But I did write it though. You did write it. Fair play, it was beautiful, it was from the heart. It was from the heart, it would have been amazing, but no, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 8:28

I marked for death, but I can't run. Either could you if you were the cue and it in your hip, this ain't no trip. You're trying to sell drugs, but I just want to give them hugs. Yeah, but that's not in the style of a reggae thing.

SPEAKER_08 8:44

Like that's the style of Stephen Steven Zegat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 8:46

It's the style of Stephen Zegal. I'm trying to channel him trying to do the style of a Jamaican um drug lord.

SPEAKER_05 8:55

He's your muse. I think you're Jamaican, everyone want to watch that movie. I just did that.

SPEAKER_07 9:01

I made some notes, um, well, I started taking notes about the movie, uh and then I stopped and I'll tell you why. So this is the extent of the notes that I took. Uh the first one was in the obviously in the horror house. But like horrors don't, you know, again, I don't know, but Les was Where was she keeping the gun? Huh?

SPEAKER_06 9:20

Where did she keep the gun?

SPEAKER_07 9:21

Yeah, like I don't know what Les was telling me. They don't just walk around naked in there, they kind of have clothes on most of the time. So why was she naked and what did she hope to achieve by saying, Oh no, don't shoot, and then shooting a dude, as in she just could have not shot him and they would have kept going. Uh, why was she naked and why was she armed and naked? Uh, that that was the first note. The second one was.

SPEAKER_09 9:42

I was gonna ask you before you get off that topic, did she shoot Chico?

SPEAKER_08 9:46

Yeah, she did, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 9:47

So she murdered his partner in her underwear, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 9:50

And then and then Stephen Segal had the worst reaction ever. He just he she fired the whole gun everywhere and he shot all over the place.

SPEAKER_09 9:58

That wasn't gonna bring anybody back.

SPEAKER_05 10:00

What are you doing, Stephen? You fired the whole gun everywhere.

SPEAKER_07 10:04

But after I think the door was closed too, and she just he just kept firing. But after that, he went to confession, where you know one would go after such a thing. Uh, and he went on to say, I've just killed a woman, I've lied, I've slept with informants, I've taken drugs and falsified evidence. I did whatever I had to do to get the bad guys, and then he realizes there's this epiphany. I am in fact the bad guy. So the priest, I like where's the sins, but I haven't. I haven't been to confession in a long time, right? But I do remember the last time I went to confession, I probably said something. What was your last confession, John? Probably when I was 10 or 11, when I was attractive to priests. Uh but it was like I probably said something like, I hit my brother and I stole some sweets, and I had to do like three Hail Marys and Two Our Fathers, and fucking Stephen Segal got nothing.

SPEAKER_09 10:52

The priest goes to him, Do you have family, son? And Stephen Segal is like, Yeah. And I was like, Well, that's great. He's probably got like a wife and ten kids. But no, he just went home to his sister.

SPEAKER_05 11:05

So he got no penance whatsoever. Well, I think his they were kind of alluding to his sexuality there when he said, I've slept with informants. Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 11:12

You know, he didn't say because like he he killed a lot of people in that um uh brothel or whatever, a horror house, right? And then he slept with a working man's club. Yeah, and then he specified that he shot a woman to the priest, and in the next sentence said, I slept with informants, which is very neutral. Yeah, and like fair play to I think it would add to a character if he was bisexual.

SPEAKER_09 11:34

You do whatever you can. I'm not saying he was bisexual, but you do whatever you can to get the information. Yeah, that's how that's how good he was as a cop, you know.

SPEAKER_05 11:40

Yeah, like so much so that he'd be going out to bars late at night looking for people who look like they have secrets. He's like, That man there, I need to get the information. Like John Jones.

SPEAKER_07 11:48

I just feel like the the film would have uh benefited tremendously from the priest saying, you know, go find your family, be with them. And I think he said something along the lines of try and find that better man inside of you, and also do six Hail Marys and fucking decorated the rosary. Does he give him any prayers? No, it doesn't. It's quite outrageous. Well, there probably wasn't any sins, was there? Uh well, one or two in there. Uh uh, the openly gay football team, it was happy to see an openly gay football team that were like, Okay, you guys four laps and hit the showers, and they all go, yeah! It's like the most exciting. I was like, Okay, gay football teams, that's awesome. Wasn't expected to see that. Uh, I I the whole movie is probably a little bit gay though. Yeah, yeah. And that's okay too. Uh, you know, it's just a tip.

SPEAKER_05 12:33

But uh in the in the club, before you go for it, it's still on the the hooker, the hooker scene. Is it just before before she shot before one of them is murdered by Segal, she's goes, uh Poor Defour, no mass, no mass. And I just enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_08 12:48

And he's like, Yeah, well that that means no respect in Irish, so maybe she was saying that. No en masse, only confession.

SPEAKER_07 12:58

Um, so the awkwardness of the two, Stephen and your man who was in Platoon, I don't know his name.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

Oh, yeah, he's very good.

SPEAKER_07 13:06

He's a great actor, and really cool dude, you know, and he he really does the character Max Keller. Yeah, yeah. So at some point they're in the club, and you can just even as an actor, you can see how much how hard it is to act when Stephen Sigal turns around to him and says, Some hormones in here, and he goes, Oh yeah. And it's just it's it must be one of the hardest lines he's ever had to deliver because the script is so fucking weak. Some hormones in here. If any said that to me, if we were anywhere, I'd be like, What has happened to you? You know, it's it's outrageously stupid. And then he your man reveals that his 13-year-old nephew died in a crack house, and I'm wondering what kind of an uncle was he? Uh at that point I stopped and I thought to myself, This is the same as taking any of the John Wick films, they're all the fucking same. It's the same, it's there's it's not better or worse, it is all just the same.

SPEAKER_08 14:02

It's just money laundering.

SPEAKER_09 14:03

Yeah, and it's marked for debt. It's a genre, it's called mess with the wrong mfr. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:09

Oh, is that what it is? It's called like that's a really type of wrong MFR, but they say the word, which I wouldn't dream of saying. So there you go. It's all of those movies that have just it's and like and I was trying to kind of pick holes in them, whatever, and then I gave up. It's also wildly unmemorable. I've had to watch it two or three times. I can't get it out of my head, man. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_09 14:27

I guess it's funny as well how he at no stage tries to pick up a woman in any of these clubs or look at a woman and him a single man. Because he's gay. Well, yeah, maybe because there's even a woman who tries to pick up him, she's supposed to be an expert on the occult, as you've probably all noticed that the movie fe features um uh occultic practice called obey, which is still very very prevalent in Jamaica and Cuba today. In fact, there was a guy sent to jail this time last year in Jamaica for practicing it, and uh the government are trying to legalize it. And uh I thought it was voodoo. Yeah, well, I suppose it all it's under that umbrella, it's just a specific one and uh spitting alcohol at chickens and cutting them up and stuff. Well, that's the Hollywood version, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Like in that whole ceremony that she was doing, and she was like using the same bacardi that my mum drinks. So news flash to Les.

SPEAKER_07 15:29

Have you ever noticed any chickens on a Sunday roast that were kind of caught weirdly?

SPEAKER_05 15:36

Mom, this chicken is delicious. Uh speaking of the the she the medium woman or the one with spiritual abilities, the the opening scene that I think it might have been the one that introduced her was this long drawn out bat scene of her standing naked in the bat. But I was like, that was the best part of the movie. When I first watched, I thought, is that's is this Steven Zegal's ass? Because it just it just showed the ass. It was kind of you know ambiguous. It's like, but they're really, they're really all in on his ass. So obviously that's what that's what put bumps and seats.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

So for me with Steven Zegal, a lot of his movies were funded by the Gambino family. So like I think about like I don't know if you've ever watched Sopranos where Christy is going off trying to make these like really shitty movies, and they're like trying to pump money in, the legal money to try to uh launder it. I really get that feeling from a lot of like the Steven Zegal movies, and that's kind of like that's what it is.

SPEAKER_05 16:30

That's why they call it Mark for Death. Yeah, I think this might be one of his last actual box office movies before the arrest.

SPEAKER_09 16:38

Can I can I just get back to the whole bit of like the woman, the expert in the occult trying to pick him up? Please do. The woman in the white dress. No, this this is the he goes to a police expert.

SPEAKER_07 16:51

He was also approached by the second lady in the club in the white dress who was all over him like a rash.

SPEAKER_09 16:57

100%. They also rejected her overtures.

SPEAKER_07 17:00

So uh I think he was more interested in that football team than he was letting on.

SPEAKER_09 17:04

I think you could be right. So the this expert lady, anyway, she she's kind of chatting him up, but he goes to see her about the case. And I've actually texted Marcus and didn't send him the text. So it's been on my phone for about two months. Glory off my alarm. Just uh know it's just so that I I got the script and uh I was like, Did I really hear that? So she says to him, I don't think there's a lot of guys like you anywhere. And he just met this lady and she goes, What he goes, What's that supposed to mean? And she goes, I've met a guy who is nice, not married, gay, or trying to find himself, and he's trying very hard to get himself killed. And instead of getting the hint and being like, Okay, I'm in an apartment alone with a reasonably attractive professional woman, and she's just made overtures, he just like goes, Well, I have some unfinished business, you know, and nothing happens.

SPEAKER_08 17:50

Yeah, so do you think the priest was hinting that he should go for her? He's like, Settle the fuck down.

SPEAKER_09 17:55

Yeah, he was like, Do you have any family? Family, make family, make some, go be fruitful.

SPEAKER_05 17:59

Stephen was like, I've got some unfinished business in the nightclub with some informants. I haven't even I haven't even met them yet. I know they're hiding information, and I'm gonna beat it out of them.

SPEAKER_07 18:10

Cut back to the next confession. I was back at the informants, father.

SPEAKER_05 18:14

Oh yeah, geez, there's a there's a train of informants. Information was flowing all night, father.

SPEAKER_09 18:20

Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?

SPEAKER_08 18:22

Do you know the way I was just saying, like the gang, the Jamaican gang is like um taking over because they're so organized and they've got weapons and they're taking over all the other gangs. It was one guy running the whole thing, and he didn't even speak sense like two guys, two guys.

SPEAKER_05 18:35

That's the big the big twist at the end is that. Sorry to remember for the listener who hasn't seen it.

SPEAKER_08 18:39

Oh well, I clearly haven't been watching it.

SPEAKER_05 18:42

So that's the the logistical question you've put out there now makes sense that they've got two guys.

SPEAKER_08 18:46

See, two two guys can take over the whole thing.

SPEAKER_07 18:50

Half the workload. They also like there was a kind of a major spoiler when they had that Italian crime guy come in relatively early and with the sauna shotgun. No, no, this is for the conversation. Uh you're gonna be my mule now or whatever, and at some point the shadowy figure in the background walks past and it's like, oh, so he's a twin brother. Uh so it what they you know it was no M night Chamalamalan kind of uh twist. It was kind of like that's probably his twin brother. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 19:23

Well, it worked on me. Yeah, it worked, it worked on Tom. So actually it didn't, it Marcus worked on me.

SPEAKER_07 19:32

I think I think realistically it was it was in a lot of ways quite unremarkable.

SPEAKER_09 19:37

But it was interesting though, the way there's a couple things about it that never would happen in a movie now, looking back. So, first of all, when Chico was shot, and like Chico was killed, and okay, he resigned his commission or whatever, but he clearly did not give a sugar about Chico being shot. And Chico being shot was completely his fault because Chico told him we've our cover has been blown, we can't go in now, and he went in anyway. So that was weird. Like nowadays in a movie that at least the male character would have to show some remorse or whatever if they got their partner killed, right?

SPEAKER_07 20:07

And they and they would be like nowadays, the revenge movies tend to be secret agents or or what's the one that um uh no nobody, he's like uh whatever you know, they've all worked for the government. Whereas this guy was just a fundamentally really corrupt cop that could be a baddie in another movie.

SPEAKER_09 20:23

He was on a complete ego trip, like he didn't consider his sister's safety, no her children's safety. He was just gonna get these guys. He dragged his high school buddy into some sort of crime killing spree.

SPEAKER_03 20:34

His his uh niece was shot, and uh there's a scene, of course, uh um with him in the hospital, and uh the doctor says, like, you know, um she's gonna need surgery um because you know it's so serious, and then it shows her, and it just looks like she's having a pleasant nap, you know, she's got a little bit of a bandage on her head. But Segal actin is so bad that because like she he goes in like to visit her, or like you know, and he's he's it it looks like he's considering his future, whether he's gonna turn uh his life around and be good or whatever, like that. But the way it comes across is like he's got a face full of disgust and he's gonna put the pillow over her head, like his facial acting is that bad.

SPEAKER_05 21:14

Like, yeah, I could be out chasing informants right now, but instead I'm here visiting you. You know, I should be out in line for the next drop of Asian clothes apparel that I exclusively wear throughout this movie that should be spoken about.

SPEAKER_08 21:28

But what he says to the doctor, he goes to the doctor and he says, like, he goes, You treat her like the president of America, and then she your doctor's like, we treat all our patients the same. And he goes, You treat her like the president of America.

SPEAKER_07 21:42

But it's it's John Wick, it's nobody, it's what's the other one that we were saying?

SPEAKER_09 21:47

Like, it's they're all at least John Wick, the action scenes are good. Whereas in this, as Marcus pointed out in the song, he can't kick above his own waist. The lads he's a fight with a dude called Nesta in an apartment when he goes to try and shake down Jim. Fingers for information. I'm Jimmy Fingers.

SPEAKER_08 22:03

I'm a made man.

SPEAKER_09 22:05

It wasn't his first tussle with Jimmy Fingers. I knew him, you know, he knew him. And your man, he has to kick this guy Nest in the stomach. And Nest is small, and he's still bending down to let your man Seagal kick him. Was he the guy with the little black briefs? He was the guy. Oh, sorry, Jimmy Fingers was the guy with the little thing. Okay. Where did he pull the gun out of? Well, now I'm glad you asked that because I originally thought he literally pulled it out of his ass. But having watched it today for about the fourth time, actually put it up on the group, he takes it off the tray or takes it from somewhere, good tray with one hand, he puts it in the other hand, then puts it in the other hand, and he shoots him.

SPEAKER_07 22:42

So it wasn't actually out of his ass. Classic fingers. It looked like that. Yeah. Like the one thing out of this movie that I was interested to see more is a bit like Better Call Saul. I'd love to see a movie about Jimmy Fingers. You know, like at some point at some point, Dredd and one of the other dudes are saying, uh, what up, Dredd? Dem let you out. Yes, man. No one can hold me when Jimmy Fingers is on my side. And you're like, fucking Jimmy Fingers, you know?

SPEAKER_03 23:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could do it about his earlier life and call it Jimmy Fingers, the child.

unknown 23:18

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

There'd be some confessions in there too.

SPEAKER_05 23:21

Jimmy Fingers, too. The full fist. I guess it's the franchise.

SPEAKER_09 23:24

And can I ask as well, like, you know, how do they get all the guns to Jamaica when they were going on the killing spray? I had a big problem with that.

SPEAKER_05 23:31

Yeah. I would also say this, right? The time it's pre-9-11 where I would bring swords back from Spain as a child in my bag. I think you could bring some guns if you're an adult.

SPEAKER_09 23:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:44

Yeah. Yeah, but I think they had a fair amount of baggage and weapons and whatever. They were up to no good. You're traveling quite a distance from the States to Jamaica, and there was quite a amount. Like that was the one thing about that whole thing. It was like actually, it was one of the least believable things in the movie.

SPEAKER_08 24:01

They have a great amount of weapons in the movie. Like your man would hold two guns up to Stephen Sagal, and then another guy would take out like a cutlass from the 15th century and hold it up to him.

SPEAKER_05 24:10

So the sword, the sword fight was excellent. Uh, two men clearly lied on their CV where they said, I've had classical sword training. They did not, they did not, and they weren't about to be shown how to do it by uh you know uh stunt coordinator either.

SPEAKER_09 24:24

They just went at it and yeah, it wasn't exactly the black pirate Roberts versus Manuel and Diego Montoya or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 24:31

But at the same time, wasn't it I will have my revenge in this finger or the next. But uh but it wasn't I it wasn't either like uh two people having a fight with swords, they don't use them just wildly throwing them at each other. It wasn't that either. So it was just it still managed to be very poor, regardless of skill.

SPEAKER_09 24:48

What blood sports would you give it out of five? Oh, can I ask another question before we do that? How do they get the severed head back through customs? Whatever about the you're saying 9-11, it was a free world back then, you could you could take guns and swords everywhere, but it's a shameful indictment on the on the uh customs at the time.

SPEAKER_07 25:04

No wonder Jamaica was rife with crime.

SPEAKER_05 25:08

A lot of things with customs is that is how you fill out the paperwork. For example, you would put in head of lettuce. Alright? They're thinking head of lettuce. They don't know it's head and lettuce. So you can do clever tricks like that, you can trick customs, right, Les?

SPEAKER_07 25:25

I think agriculturally speaking, you're probably more likely to get the head in than you would the lettuce. The lettuce would ha harbor parasites and whatever you get the head.

SPEAKER_05 25:32

A lot like what drug traffickers unlike heads. Drug traffickers put if they're coming to their carry on, they'll put their drugs in the bag and then on top of it they put a big dildo. So when you open it up, you're like, oh, I won't search that. They open it, they find the lettuce, they take the lettuce. They're not looking for the head. They found the lettuce. We've given it to them. That's how you tra that's how you traffic. I shouldn't be telling this to an audience because it's really gonna be doing it on Monday.

SPEAKER_09 25:58

But it was weird because they made so much effort with the movie to try and be like maybe it was the Gambino money, but they made so much effort to try and be like a cool movie, have the occult stuff in it. They mentioned some sort of I had to look it up, I'd never heard of it. Um, your man Screwface had were linked to the Jamaican or or sorry, it was actually Cuban for some reason they got that wrong, but it was a Cuban secret society called the Acuba or something. And I was like, What's that? And that was a whole cool rabbit hole on the internet. I was like, these people like they they really did that. No, they got it wrong, like because it was it was Jamaica, not Cuba, but they did they did try.

SPEAKER_05 26:38

The movie grossed five times its budget, so it was a it was a really big success. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 26:43

You wouldn't you wouldn't get that in the movie nowadays.

SPEAKER_05 26:45

I'd say it was Stephen Sigar's last hit, you know, after that.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

But it was it was a that was I'd say Under Siege was after this one, was it? I'd say what it's in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Glimmer Man. And Under Siege too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 26:58

Did I come after, did it?

SPEAKER_09 27:00

Yeah, I would give it to answer your question, John. I would give it two Blood Sports. It did stick in my head, but a lot of it was like, what if if they'd only got the acting right, or if they'd only tightened up the plot line, or if they'd only run. Yeah, yeah. Or you know, how much would you how many would you give it?

SPEAKER_07 27:18

Uh yeah, I think it is I would give it the same as I would give John Wick two, three, and four. Uh taken you don't think John Wick's better. No, it's the same. Like thing, I think it was more believable than certainly John Wick probably three and four, which is just it's like a whatever a nineties um arcade game where you're just standing there punching guys, and there's no threat to anyone other than these people and their poor families. Um, so it's yeah, like at least they tried and they tried to have a different, you know, bring it somewhere else, and you know, they tried to have the yeah uh you know, an i relatively interesting idea for a reality.

SPEAKER_09 27:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 27:59

So they they try, so I I'd give it the same as you know, any of the like tr three hours, like it's no blood sport. You know, so I three out of five. That's pretty good though. Yeah, that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_08 28:09

How how many blood sports is blood sport again? Sorry. Uh five.

SPEAKER_05 28:14

It's the most amount of blood sports.

SPEAKER_07 28:15

Yeah, I suppose there's blood sports. Well, there's none more blood sport.

SPEAKER_05 28:18

Yeah, blood blood sport too got four blood sports out of blood sports.

SPEAKER_07 28:22

How many would you give it, Marcus?

SPEAKER_05 28:24

Yeah, I'd probably give it just the one blood sport. Uh and I'm giving it it it's really from the how bad he runs and how bad he offensively. He's not able to throw any punches or anything. It's all his attacks have to come someone running at him. That's that's all he's got. Unless he's got a sword. Even the sword. I wouldn't I wouldn't be bragging about my sword play if I was him. It was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

Uh he uh he breaks the distance in one fight by screaming, I don't care about this girl. That's how he sort of like gets close to the guy.

SPEAKER_08 28:56

Have you ever tried that? It works every time.

SPEAKER_09 28:58

He genuinely doesn't care about the girl or any other girl.

SPEAKER_07 29:01

It's very he's he's an anti-hero to the point of I don't know how much of a hero he is. Like, what really does he do? Yes, he is an absolute bastard, an absolute corrupt fucker. Uh, he gets other people into trouble, uh, and he doesn't he doesn't do any penance after confession.

SPEAKER_08 29:20

And everyone in the world seems to love him. They all like everyone he meets is just they sings his praises.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

Like, there's a car chase, and like he crashes into like a big swanky jewelry store, he kills multiple people, leaves a discarded gun full of bullets around the place. No one rings the police, obviously, and no one's around the police, and then like there's no one who comes to his house afterwards and questions him about that massive incident that happened downtown, you know. Uh his sister's house, a sister's house, and and clearly he's known around the place because like there's the DA guy who knew him on site earlier on.

SPEAKER_05 29:55

So you show up to his house and you see him answer the door in his kimono, you're going, this guy knows how to handle himself.

SPEAKER_07 30:02

Just you in relation to the car chase, at one point it's quite hilarious. Uh there I think they're dry, he's driving after the um four lads in the van, and they're they drive up the the curb onto the sidewalk or whatever, and he you can clearly see there's loads and loads of people in the background, and he almost unloads the clip just in that direction, and off they drive. Like many people must have died. He's he's implicated probably in a large number of crimes. So, like, you know, what's the outcome? Did he do anything great? He killed this gang.

SPEAKER_09 30:35

The moral of the story is you're better off not messing with Jamaican drug gangs, just leave well enough alone. Well enough alone. Max Keller's character, you know, the P teacher, whatever he was, he should have just accepted, well, some of the team are going to be lost to drug use.

SPEAKER_07 30:47

And he should have tried maybe like that, maybe could have done a better on the 13-year-old getting into crack. True, you know, true.

SPEAKER_08 30:54

And I was so enthusiastic about a bit of crack.

SPEAKER_09 30:57

Well, is that in your defense, though? Don't be blaming the Jamaican drug gangs or your own family's failing.

SPEAKER_08 31:02

Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 31:02

It's like try and be a better, better family member, you know, show the child some love.

SPEAKER_08 31:07

That 13-year-old had agency, he was going straight after the crack, wherever it was.

SPEAKER_05 31:11

That's it's unfair now, especially in the 90s, that child protection policies and crack houses was not what it needs to be. Just say no. A lot of good people got caught up in the trap. He's like, What's that? Is that crack you're smoking? Can I have some? Yeah, we've got no policy. Why not?

SPEAKER_09 31:28

Ah, times have changed. Who's the DLP? Tom Bottom, how many blood sports would you give us? I'd give it like a blood show.

SPEAKER_07 31:35

So I'm changing mine to two. Actually, I'm sorry, I'm changing mine to two.

SPEAKER_09 31:41

Darn, how many do you give us?

SPEAKER_02 31:43

I I give it one. I don't like Stephen Segal at all. Just because outside of the movie, just everything with him. I stand very much against him, like even his propaganda with Russia now and going over there to escape whatever he's going at, and then him as a fake police officer going around and squishing dogs on raids and everything.

SPEAKER_07 32:02

So he's he's still doing like he did in the way.

SPEAKER_09 32:04

Will you tell us about that? Because I'm not aware of that. I'm aware that for some reason people in Russia love him. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

So he moved to Russia, so he if since the I don't I think maybe it might be tax evasion. I don't know why, but essentially he has so oh, you know what it is? It's actually predatory behavior. I remember now in the documentary. So he's he's a predator, so he moved to Russia to like the kind of aliens who kind of got infrared.

SPEAKER_07 32:27

Could have used that in the movie, couldn't he? Sex predator. We had one of them in our club. Every club has one.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Um so he moved to Russia to evade the charges, essentially. So now he lives in Russia and he he trains some of the oligarchs and shit like that in his special techniques. But um before techniques of evasion, yes, evasion of the the crime. Um but uh also then he used to go around and do like a cops type show where he would call Lawman, lawman, yeah. So he was he played the bass as well on that show, I remember. So he was the lawman, but one of their raids went wrong where there was a little dog behind the thing as the riot crew is driving over the fence, they squish the dog and then they arrest the guy, and the guy it was the wrong guy, so he just killed the dog for no reason. So it's a documentary.

SPEAKER_05 33:15

This isn't a show, this is the same good round with kind of deputies of the sheriffs.

SPEAKER_07 33:20

It was around the same time as Dog the Bounty Hunter, actually.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yeah, probably he was trying to do a little rip-off, but yeah, so I'm Stephen Zegal, uh, not a fan.

SPEAKER_09 33:27

So you're giving a one.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

I'd give it a zero if I could.

SPEAKER_09 33:29

Okay, because he killed a dog. You can give him a zero. But that's a politically motivated zero.

SPEAKER_05 33:34

Yeah, so like have you even watched the movie? Yeah, I watched the movie. The the amazing thing about the law man show is if you if you watch it, and I know other people have spoken about this, so it's not an original thought, but he does it. Every time Stephen Zegal comes in contact with uh a black person, he's like, Hey brother, I hear you. You know, and he's like I do that.

SPEAKER_08 33:53

Yeah, that's that's classic, like dog the bounty hunter move as well. I thought that was like good interpersonal skills, relating to people on their level, no?

SPEAKER_05 34:01

He's putting out, he's putting out the the the handshakes, he's uh he's talking. Same if he meets anyone from remotely from Asia, they're getting a bow. Oh, they're getting a bow, even if they're born in America. So he he's culturally aware, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

He's put on a lot of weight as well. So instead of a bounty hunter, he's a Mars bear hunter. Les how many would you give it? I'm gonna give it four for two scenes that I really love. Coming up the average here. One was um he was admiring a sniper rifle, and uh he then he he goes proceeds to test it out by shooting a block that's about three meters away from him. And like the guy's like genuinely impressed as like his buddies, you know, before they go on their tour to uh Jamaica or wherever it was. And then he tests a machine gun by using like a full carcass of beef, which would have cost more than all the arsenal that he just bought of the arms. Beef was cheap back then, though. Gary Goodman was selling it off to all sorts of countries while it was out of date. And then the other one was when he dance walked into a nightclub wearing a black blazer with sleeves rolled up and nothing on underneath. And uh why I loved that scene was because it was the only one that he looked kind of happy in. Are you saying no vest? No, oh no, no vest. Bear, bear. Oh no, that was pure wow.

SPEAKER_05 35:11

When you need information fast from an informative, you need to be able to get out of that suit.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

Yeah, yeah. Am I right?

SPEAKER_05 35:17

Am I right?

SPEAKER_07 35:18

Every girl is immediately in love with them. Yeah, that's more of it now. Uh so what movie could we do next?

SPEAKER_09 35:24

Before we do that, can we just get the average? So the so we've got four, two, let's not get the average. One half of the half two, zero, a half. So what's the average? Is that someone so it's got two blood sports out of five?

SPEAKER_05 35:38

Yeah, so we'd recommend it as uh you know, maybe a follow-up to watching uh blood rated movie, you know, blood sport-rated movie, then you could watch this one afterwards as a come down.

SPEAKER_07 35:50

It certainly doesn't rate highly in even the so bad it's good movies that we've watched. It's too good to be that because you try too hard. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 35:58

Having your man, he's a good actor.

SPEAKER_07 36:00

But like the first your man is a like uh he's a guy from Something About Mary, he's in Platoon or whatever. He's a brilliant actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just steals whatever scene he's on, like he's just a level above everything else in that movie. His name is Keith David. Yes, him actually, sorry, he and clearly Jimmy Fingers. You know.

SPEAKER_05 36:25

Uh so probably the inform the inspiration for the Tom Green movie Freddy Got Fingered.

SPEAKER_07 36:29

Daddy, would you like some sausage?

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Unironically, a fantastic comedy movie. I love that. Okay. Cheese factory. And there's no resolution at all in the movie. Like, there's no uh word that the niece got better or that they stopped attacking the sister or whatever, or that he turned the black. The final scene is uh him carrying a dead Rastafarian and an injured uh African American man was carrying two revolvers limping along beside him, and I just took a note of that because it reminded me of Thursday night of my first rag week.

SPEAKER_07 37:03

Yeah, but as you say, there's no character arc. Like there's no he hasn't learned anything. He has just gone back to his thing. He's probably gonna go back to work. He was on paid, paid leave, paid suspended. Well, no, paid leave, wasn't it? And they're like the the chief of police was like, We need you here, you know, we need you planting that evidence and murdering women and you know, sleeping with some dudes. Uh so he'll be back democracies in South America. Yeah, yeah. So he's just he's all he's learned is you know, just do more of it.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

I got away with it and I learned nothing. Is Beverly Hills Cop just a better movie? That's the same type of concept.

SPEAKER_07 37:41

Well, Beverly Hills Cop is is uh joyful, and it's a bit of crack, and you know, and they they do I you know there it's two sides of a coin. It's a great music, great soundtrack, Beverly Hills Cop.

SPEAKER_05 37:54

The vehicle for Eddie Murphy just is comedy, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:58

Yeah, no, they're very movie.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

What are you talking about? No, but it's just the better version of it because it's just the same concept.

SPEAKER_09 38:04

Beverly Hill's Cop as well, it's a lot less violent. There's a lot less Eddie Murphy's character, Axel Foley. Is that the name of the character? There's a lot less of him indiscriminately shooting random people.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

Inspired by um Crazy Frog, I believe. The body count is uh a lot lower.

SPEAKER_09 38:20

But uh maybe we could do Beverly Hills Cop next, but that's probably your review is a classic movie.

SPEAKER_07 38:25

We have to do something that like even that one was skating the edge of yeah, it was grand. It was whatever.

SPEAKER_08 38:30

What about the North Korean movie, the North Korean uh martial arts movie?

SPEAKER_07 38:34

Let's do it. Can we pronounce it? Can we do can we can we do Armor of God first? Okay, yeah. Is it good? Is it good? Yeah, it's great, but it's it's silly. Oh, it's silly. And it's it's uh it's like maybe it is too good, actually.

SPEAKER_05 38:52

I draw out a suggestion. I don't know if maybe something with uh Chuck Norris into your IP.

SPEAKER_07 38:58

It's true. We could do something with Chuck Norris out of respect. No, give him your own respect.

SPEAKER_08 39:03

Would we be able to review that with um full you know, because he's passed away, would we be able to review that with uh in the room? No, but like because I I think I'd be giving him too much kudos almost.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

What about uh fatal deviation? Have you done that already? Oh yeah, we haven't done that.

SPEAKER_09 39:20

You talked about it. Zach did we do it. John talked about it. We did it. No, I said we we we could we could do it a third time because there's lots of viewers that have not heard our previous podcasts.

SPEAKER_07 39:31

What we could do, I'll tell you what we could do, is we could do if we want to do a Chuck Norris movie, we could do Enter the Dragon and let's broach the whole Bruce Lee as an actor versus as a martial art. Is he in Enter the Dragon? Yeah, Bruce Lee.

SPEAKER_09 39:45

Oh sorry, Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is in. Sorry, it is because I think Chuck Norris might be in a slightly different one, whatever.

SPEAKER_07 39:53

He's in the one where they find the Coliseum, or yeah, smoke smoke cigarette with the dragon after entering it. Pardon? Is that the name of the second movie?

SPEAKER_09 40:02

It was after after climax. I did not get that at all.

SPEAKER_07 40:07

Dragon happened. He's like, Come on, dragon, you bitch. I'll be dragging my balls on your face.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

I have one related to MMA that is a documentary, but I'm sure maybe you guys have seen it. Is um the original, not the new remake with The Rock, but the original smashing machine with Mark Kerr. So I don't know if everybody's seen that, but that's a good one to the documentary.

SPEAKER_07 40:30

You've seen the original, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:31

Yeah, it's uh essentially Mark Kerr and Pride. That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_07 40:35

But that's like an that's a real meaningful thing. So really good, but it's not comparable to Bloodsport.

SPEAKER_09 40:40

We want a movie that's kind of 80s kitsch and terrible and that we can shit on, yeah. But at the same time, we'll enjoy watching. So I think Chuck Chuck Norris could be yes, could we find out the movie that Chuck Norris is in with Bruce Lee?

SPEAKER_07 40:52

Because it could be one of the what's the second one called? I think it's it's uh The Way of the Dragon. The way of the Dragon.

SPEAKER_08 41:02

Am I a whale? Am I a Dragon?

SPEAKER_09 41:06

Yeah, but I'm sure the listeners are enjoying immensely hearing us discuss what movies we may review if we could have done this before the podcast.

SPEAKER_07 41:13

Hey, if it's going to be on YouTube, we could do the you know, by the way, click like and subscribe. Um, I'm joking. Click like and subscribe. I'm but like leave a comment below about what movie we should watch.

SPEAKER_09 41:30

Yeah, get engagement, John. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, viewership engagement.

SPEAKER_07 41:34

Okay, let's go once around the table and give what movie you want us to do, give a line on as to why you want us to do it, and then let the comments and let the viewers decide. And if they have a wildcard themselves. Now I don't know um if we'll be able to read Taiwanese, but we'll figure it out. I'm sure there's a translation thing.

SPEAKER_05 41:54

Taiwanese listeners. Uh if you have any recommendations, maybe just whatever products you're making, write it down in them, and when they get to us, we'll I think they just like our laughter.

SPEAKER_08 42:04

That's why they put us on.

SPEAKER_07 42:05

Uh shout out to Eugene.

SPEAKER_09 42:07

Eugene. Eugene Woos. Um we said we'd give him a shout-out, and now we've done it. We might try and you know, do it every podcast.

SPEAKER_05 42:18

I think we commit to Eugene. That was I'm not a part of the stuff.

SPEAKER_07 42:21

Wait, once we're on the table, so what movie am I? Uh Vental Deviation just because I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_09 42:27

There you go.

SPEAKER_07 42:28

Vincent.

SPEAKER_09 42:29

Anyone with Chuck Norris in it just because he passed away. But we'll get around to all of them.

SPEAKER_08 42:34

North Korean one from like 2007, because it comes across as a 1970s movie, it's class.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

I'll go with this movie, it's called The Eliminator. It has Bass Rutin and I think Shogun in it as well from 2004.

SPEAKER_07 42:45

That's bound to be absolute muck. But could be funny. Oh. I might watch that myself in the meantime anyway, just to an old modern one.

SPEAKER_05 42:56

Yeah, nice. Yeah, anything to there's an there's uh there's a female equivalent of Chuck Norris. China Bryan. China O'Brien. I wouldn't mind going down uh a bit of a China O'Brien.

SPEAKER_09 43:07

I genuinely loved those movies with her. We did that.

SPEAKER_05 43:10

We did watch one, it was terrible. You know, every so often a mamma would just come and pick her up and put her in the boot.

SPEAKER_09 43:16

And her co-star in those movies was always a guy in the movies with her, and he was the baddie in Jim Catta.

SPEAKER_07 43:24

And we watched Jim Catta as well, didn't we?

SPEAKER_09 43:26

Yeah, we went deep on that.

SPEAKER_07 43:27

Uh I think we should do that one, whichever uh away inside the dragon. There's some good like there's actually I'd be excited to see the fatal deviation again. I I haven't watched a lot of Bruce Lee movies. I always prefer Jackie Chan movies because of the element of humor uh and the and and the stunts are just spectacular.

SPEAKER_08 43:46

We haven't done a Jackie Chan movie either.

SPEAKER_07 43:48

They're too good though. They're too good, yeah. But at the same time, there's a silliness about Armor of God, there's a silliness about some of the early ones, and there's a silliness about Armor of God that like but that's it's it's actually. A brilliant movie. So let's disregard it, but I'm gonna go home and watch it this evening myself.

SPEAKER_09 44:06

Marcus, by any chance, did any of our erstwhile listeners send in some questions which we might peruse and do our very, very best to answer?

SPEAKER_05 44:13

Yes, quite right, Finny. My doorbell was ringing so frequently I had to turn it off. So the first question is from uh Warren. He's a longtime listener. Shout out to Warren. Splenty. I know him. He has a really long question and some other stuff in it. But the start of his question is Do you think MMA as a sport is dying? Maybe I'm getting older and more cynical, but I feel in regards to UFC that it feels like they don't have real stars anymore. GSP, Silva, Ronda, McGregor, etc. Also, if we could bring back Tom Hogan's top five, that would be great. Possibly something different, like top five best walk out. We could do one on uh the dancing. I haven't done one on dancing in a while. And then like it's all the last bit of his question, it's just it's already quite more of a I'll read it in one go. Could we do a welfare check on that Emmett lad with the odd questions? He's giving off some real ed uh Kemper vibes. And lastly, a fight companion in the future will be fun, but instead of U of C, maybe give Power Slap a go. The strange those commentary would make for an interesting pod.

SPEAKER_07 45:29

Actually, in fairness, uh that is it's a great the first question. It's a great question. Well, shout out to Warren. No, Warren, that's a great question. And I think like as an like uh Warren's much younger than us, but um like the you go through that feeling and it's kind of like you know, back in my day it was much back in my day, much better.

SPEAKER_08 45:49

But I suppose it's just you know the elderly don't understand popular culture, and it just you know it's it's impossible to keep up with them. Now I don't try, granted. Yeah, but but like back in the day, there was only about like what 10 of them. It was easy in each weight division, maybe it was handy to yeah, no, but I I definitely feel like that too.

SPEAKER_07 46:09

That I like I watched the fights, but I could like back in the day you'd be thirsty to find out who's that fighter, and you might go off and watch highlights, or you might go off and read Sure Dog or whatever it was. I don't even know if that's still on, it's probably gone with MySpace or whatever. Is it yeah? But um, yeah, just that set you know, that sense of like what's happening with that, you know, what's going on?

SPEAKER_08 46:29

Back in the day, there was so much more kind of stylistic differences, maybe. Whereas nowadays the MMA fighters are becoming so you unified, you know, in in style because there's there is a right way to fight a lot of that.

SPEAKER_07 46:41

Now I have to say, watched I watched most of the UFC with last time there were some brilliant fights, like really exciting stuff that uh and really cool stuff as well. Obviously, there was some crap stuff too, but I just I suppose there's so many fighters. What were their names?

SPEAKER_05 46:57

I was thinking I was thinking I was thinking about this as well, and I think it's a case of it's not the music we grew up with that's being played right now, so we're more we're more nostalgic to our yeah, and you wanna have your Undertaker and you wanna have your Kane and you wanna have your Hulk Hogan, yeah, you know, and like GSP or what like you want to have that kind of thing where it's like you're counting down to their fights and watching stuff in between.

SPEAKER_07 47:21

Whereas now I couldn't tell you when the next one is, couldn't tell you who's fighting in any of the next ones. Like I I'll watch them all, but it's just it I think it is a connection thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

And like on my side, it's so it's a few things. One, those old fights were so sparse between, so you had like you were hungry for it. You you got to be developed and engaged through their media or whatever they're putting out related to this fighter. You get to actually know the fighter, who they are, what their background is in and outside of the cage. And now it's so oversaturated because we have fights every single week. And the reason we have fights every single week is because we have seven billion dollar deals going out to Paramount that require fights to be on every week. And it's no longer about developing the talent, it's about developing the league, not the fighters. It it's not about the fighters anymore. It never really was about the fighters, but the fighters were core towards the product, and now it's like that's completely gone by the wayside. And I think martial arts has developed as well, where you look at like a guy Michael Vanden Page in um his London fight, he threw three strikes against Sam Patterson, and he said, Oh well, I fought well because I didn't get hit. So these fights are not exciting. But then you have guys that are coming in, and I I'd encourage anybody to watch these fights would be um Curtis Blades versus Josh Hokett. Uh yeah, that was an it was amazing. And he's playing a little bit of a character, and you can kind of buy into these narratives, but I uh but you don't get exposed to them as much because again, just as we're done that one, we're on to the next one. Yeah. And and now we're on to a new story and a new champion and a new guy that's trying to overcome the division, but the story is the same.

SPEAKER_05 48:55

I think I think I think as well we're we're perceiving it that way because we've been watching the sport for so long. But from what I'm hearing in the dressing room chit-chat at the club, people who've only been watching the sport maybe two, three years, like these people that are being exposed to for the first time, they're as into them, they're following them as much as we would have when we started following the sport. These stars are as big to them. Josh is like that they wouldn't have seen Shale Suthern in his prime, knowing you know all the antics and all those tricks. They look at Shale Sutton and they're like, him? Are you serious?

SPEAKER_07 49:28

It's pretty like that's a very good point. Like when you think about it, when we start like we'd know all of these like cabbage, they're like, remember that dude cabbage and and uh and butterbean and Ronin and you know, all of these uh Bob Sap. Yeah, Bob Sap. And like all of these names, you knew the names, you'd kind of have a good idea who was coming out next. But I'm sure people like the youth and they'd be related to each other as well.

SPEAKER_08 49:53

Like they'd you'd have like Ninja and Shogun all related to each other, you'd have like family.

SPEAKER_07 49:57

Like we used to, I suppose we used to talk about it an awful lot more as well, about these fighters. Whereas now it's like, you know, we we we probably don't sit around as much and chat about MMA, uh, maybe as as much as the lads or the girls.

SPEAKER_05 50:10

Yeah, but also it's I suppose it's it's become uh a more regulated, recognized sport, as opposed to the the wild carnival days like all the Japan stuff, which had an influence in America, you know. You've got a Stabler brothers, and they're really good at jujitsu and they're coming over American Jiu Jitsu in wrestling. The storylines were very different than they are today.

SPEAKER_07 50:32

So it was a trade Halligman who had one one lung, you know, and those remember that dude, and he only had like the one lung.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

Do you know who I started watching? Uh Nick Newell, he only had one hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 50:45

Now he was he was in that transition period where there was it was probably getting a bit much for me. And I suppose I'm not on social media. That's true. You were banned. I I shadow banned. But I was like, I used that that's that's where all my news came from and whatever. So without that, I've no real access to it except just watching it. So Warren, I think it's uh yeah, I feel it.

SPEAKER_09 51:04

I feel it. There's a big difference as well between someone like um it's it's petty to have to name someone, but for the sake of the argument, nothing against him, but Bo Nickel, someone like him comes up and he's basically been as close to a professional as an amateur can be since he was 13 years old, and he's getting into MMA as a professional endeavor. And it's very difficult for a character that that is that disciplined and that is that professional about his diet and his training as kind of bred into him. It's very difficult for that character to be interesting and good crack in the same way that Chris Levan was, for example. They're just a different type of athlete coming in now.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

Yeah, I think you're talking about as well, people's mental health seems to be pretty decent. We're talking about Chris Levin. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_02 51:51

I had a call with a uh um a fighter from one of the promotions I work with, he's only 20 years old, and his father's been training in martial arts since he was about four years old, so he's literally brought up to do this. And he's inspiration and idol is Wonder Boy. And they were talking to me about what content they can create or how they can try to generate buzz or controversy or stuff for the fight when they want to be a clean athlete. And unfortunately, the way the media works today is these guys don't actually get pushed. You will get cut from the UFC if you are a good fighter but boring. You know, there's there's guys that have positive records in the UC that are getting cut now because they can't sell tickets or can't sell fights. Have they tried me in racist?

SPEAKER_07 52:31

That guy, that guy with uh the blade versus whatchall, ho, Hoboken. What's his name?

SPEAKER_02 52:35

Josh Hoket.

SPEAKER_07 52:36

Huh? Hoket. Hokett. Yeah, like he he's got such a great idea as in he's coming in full WWE wrestler kind of thing, and it's a great idea. Like they he the two of them are heavyweights, and it was a bit rock'em suck'em, but it was it was an undeniably fun fight. But I was I wanted to hear what he was gonna say after the fight, and I want to see what he said. The weigh-in thing was very funny, yeah, when he was nervous before the weigh-in.

SPEAKER_09 52:59

Like that was genuinely hilarious. Yeah, funny, he's a fancy, and nobody just pretended to be really nervous doing the weigh-in, which nobody ever does. You know, they come out and they stick out the chest and they flash the guns. He came in kind of cutting. He's doing a bitch, he's constantly doing a bit all shy and murmuring apparently under his breath.

SPEAKER_05 53:16

You got three uh three alter ego characters that he's playing, so he's like yeah. I I like I fuck it.

SPEAKER_09 53:22

I love that idea, and of course, he's a top-notch athlete as well.

SPEAKER_07 53:25

Yeah, yeah. But it's balls to the wall, I'm just gonna go for this and make make my money make it into a shtick or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

I think he's gonna probably develop another personality if we keep fighting.

SPEAKER_05 53:35

Yeah, I we're talking about that, and me, I I might have to retract my comment about people's mental health being better now.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

In in the cage fighting industry, I will have you know Bryce Mitchell is still on the still on the roster.

SPEAKER_09 53:51

But there were guys doing it back in the day who never really thought they would ever make any money out of it, and they just happened to make money, people like Chuck Liddell. I doubt he ever thought he was gonna make much money out of it, and he ended up making quite a few Bob or Matthews, even you know. But now people are going into it, and it's it's gonna be from the get-go, it's gonna and I understand it makes sense, but from the get-go it's gonna be I have to make that.

SPEAKER_07 54:12

But it's an OnlyFans type thing where a small percentage of people will make the money. Um allegedly.

SPEAKER_05 54:22

Okay, and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:25

Like that was a great question. Um he had a second one in the middle there. What was that one?

SPEAKER_05 54:29

The second one was just he was kind of he well, it wasn't a question. He said there's no real stars anymore, like GSP, Silva, Ronda, McGregor.

SPEAKER_07 54:37

But uh there might be to the young people, like they might have their favourites or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

I don't know if I agree because you have like Iliad Taporia is really big, Pereira is big. There there are still stars, but I I uh they're less frequent and less pushed.

SPEAKER_05 54:49

But they're but they are there are faces of the only they're not, I don't think, mainstream breakers as in the person uh you go if you go into a local mace, they're not gonna know who Pierre is yet. They're not fair to say. You can disagree passionately with me if you want. You're wrong. Okay, there's another another uh uh another question. Uh this is from uh a man called Lee from Galway. He wants to know what is everyone's walkout slash shower. It's the same thing song. So you're making that walk, you're having a fight, what song are you playing? Or are you just gonna sing it in the shower instead? But what would be your walkout song?

SPEAKER_08 55:36

Iggy pop by my passenger was mine. I show I still shower like so there, Chris.

SPEAKER_07 55:44

You were you were probably before walk-out music, were you? He was before he was before rings. Yeah, used to show up. But there was like a person playing a lute in the corner, a harp.

SPEAKER_06 55:57

You're called to Vincent approach it. His weight be the same as three ghosts.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

Oh yeah, was that in the Coliseum?

SPEAKER_09 56:15

Who was your second back in the day? I think it was Mark Leonard, I think. He actually has a second, yeah. But uh, I don't know if there was a song. I wouldn't be into I wouldn't care what my song was anyway.

SPEAKER_05 56:25

Yeah, you're very much like the movie Warrior, just I'll go out to silence. You know, you're very much that kind of you know, personality like silence, just walk out through the crowd.

SPEAKER_09 56:35

Well, I'd like a song in the shower, like you know. But I mean, I'd rather if you know someone was singing it live, like say John there and the showers in Craven House have great acoustics, you know.

SPEAKER_08 56:43

It's strange that Lee's equating the shower to the walkout to fight someone, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 56:48

It might it might be your song in the shower, might also be it might be just what's your song, you know. And he is also known as the shower king.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

What about you, Les?

SPEAKER_05 56:56

The mountain king.

SPEAKER_03 56:57

Uh you know that one that was in the silence of the lambs, goodbye horses, and that's just my shower ritual. Can you give us an old bar?

SPEAKER_00 57:05

Goodbye horses. Where you wanna be? Goodbye, horses.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

I it doesn't really work. I have to tuck my dick between my legs to get it right, and then I have to look in the mirror and say, Would you fuck me? It sounds good. I'm not familiar with it.

unknown 57:27

Buffalo leads.

SPEAKER_08 57:28

It doesn't sound practiced. Strange for a shower song.

SPEAKER_07 57:31

Actually, one of the greatest honors uh uh of my musical life was when Tim Murphy walked out to one of my songs. Hemoglobins or Fuzberger.

SPEAKER_06 57:42

Dietrich von hemoglobin, you stand before me now in this court accused of heinous crimes against society. I despise you, you rock a fine!

SPEAKER_07 57:52

That was actually the one. That might have been the one that did it. Can you give us a bar? No, my uh my agent wouldn't allow it.

SPEAKER_09 58:00

But yeah, it was Tom, can you give us a bar?

SPEAKER_07 58:03

I did.

SPEAKER_09 58:04

That was the intro.

SPEAKER_05 58:04

Yeah, that was the for Batman. It's like because John would make you listen to the entire album anytime you're in the car with him, so everyone's memorized it.

SPEAKER_07 58:12

Still do. We've all been there. That was awesome. I'm a rock of Tim was definitely one of my favourite fighters in in terms of MMA, but that was that was a really cool thing. And hey McGlobins were amazing live. I can speak to that. Yeah, but there was a great lead singer. It only happened once. Uh anyway, that would yeah.

SPEAKER_09 58:32

That only happened once. I only played once. You remember more than once? That gig, man. Do you remember more more than once? No.

SPEAKER_07 58:39

What about you, Darren?

SPEAKER_02 58:40

I like Irish music, and I like that like I've I've always been very proud of being Irish, so it would have to be like an Irish singer. It's gonna be pretty lame. Dolores Cain? Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_07 58:53

Could do something woman's heart.

SPEAKER_02 58:55

So I'm like, do you know? I I really like recently I've been liking King Fisher, so like Killa is pretty good, even though it's all played now. Oh no, it's a great song. Durham McKennedy's kind of one of my, but these are like fucking slow, uh slow emotional songs I enjoy it most. So it's like I'll make my opponent cry before the time I've lost it up.

SPEAKER_09 59:13

It's very powerful. Very powerful. A slow Irish ballad is very powerful to walk out, I'd say. What about Jedward?

SPEAKER_08 59:20

Not quite the same Ireland now. That's more of the Protestant Dublin Ireland. How about you, Marcus? One of your own songs.

SPEAKER_05 59:25

No, that'd be the most cringe thing you could do, to be honest with you. One of your own songs.

SPEAKER_08 59:31

What about that one where uh parachute? Take your parachute and jump.

SPEAKER_05 59:35

That's good.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

Uh Will Your one should be Fields of Gold by Sting.

SPEAKER_05 59:49

Yeah, yeah. I I I don't like uh I don't like pun songs like that for that. You know, I don't want some, you know.

SPEAKER_09 59:58

I think you could write one for each walkout. I cut it off the wall. About the venue and the opponent. I can hang off the opponent. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:04

Tell them, boys, what time it's gonna end. I think knockout! Turn round. I think I think I would like to have a song that is subtly uh mocking or taking shots at my opponent. So I would probably choose the music based on that.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:17

You know, go and kick you in the leg, yeah, kick you in the leg, kick and then never kick him.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:24

I think did we ever did we ever decide that your fight name should be the killing? Yes, yeah, Marcus Killing Fields.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:32

Yeah, I think you I think you also you also pushed hard for uh Marcus running naked through the fields.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:39

You you you run through the fields, you were a big advocate for that. It's an awkward nickname though, because if you were ever in an MA fight and you kill someone, then it's kind of like, oh, I wish they had that all the morally now.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:55

Imagine in court, and you're like then your next fight uh you're called uh the truth. Why is he called truth? Oh, I killed a man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:06

That's uh in the left field. My uh mine would be I'm just Ken.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:11

You love that, yeah. You love that song.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:13

So we we from the bar the listeners know this, but we have um more or less got a band assembled here. Les John Marcus and Tom are all accomplished musicians um to a greater or lesser extent, and have I I know I know Marcus and John have produced albums. Les, have you produced an album? I'm sure you have.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

Yeah, I have not produced an album.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:34

Produced someone else's album.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

Uh I did a bit of production work on an EP, but not a full album.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:38

Darren, can you sing? Do you have music?

unknown 1:01:40

Bad tone deaf.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:41

Okay, you and I could be the roadies for the talent. The talent here.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:45

Oh, not groupies, roadies.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:47

I could lift you could be the informants. Could be the fluffers. Darren could record the concert and I could like lift heavy things. Yeah, not fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:04

Bat you don't know what a tambourine is, it doesn't bode well.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:07

It just looks like you're spraying the place with someone's penis.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:11

Or like the didgeridoo or the triangle.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:15

Les if you could edit in penises into his hands, that'd be fantastic. I'm the audio guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:21

He's gonna edit in his own penises.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:25

Darren. Editing penises into your own hands. Edit the penises out of your hands. I'm sure you've got a penis library.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:33

Someone's always talking about hand jobs every podcast. Can we please not talk about how hand jobs the next slide?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:40

Yeah, but how are we gonna get the Nivea for Men hand scream sponsorship if we're not always talking hands? Oh, my hands are so dry. Why do you think we were talking to you know Jimmy Fingers? Like it's all it's all leading, it's all leading towards the big deal. That's all our questions, guys. Thanks for uh, as always. You can uh get us at Strange Wolfs MMA Galway on Instagram and Facebook. You can send us any questions that are just keeping you up at night about MMA. Maybe you're politicking hard to get Tom's top five back. Have it trending, top five toms. And uh yeah, thanks. Send us your answers. We'd love to know we love you all, listeners. Yeah, yeah, we definitely read your answer. Your opinion matters too.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:26

We care.

unknown 1:03:27

We'd love to know.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:29

The end, keep it crabby.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:41

So my follow the energy high, two champion rules under the sky. One from the silver screen, one from the crit.