Ep 71: The Discipline of Pausing, Pt 7 - The Domino Effect

The right goal isn’t the one that excites you most—it’s the one that creates the greatest ripple of good for others under God’s direction.

In this final episode of the Discipline of Pausing series, Mark and Erica unpack the eighth and final question: What does achieving this goal make possible? This conversation helps leaders distinguish between “nice-to-have” goals and true multipliers—decisions that open doors, remove bottlenecks, and bless many people beyond themselves. Along the way, they explore leadership clarity, delegation, keystone habits, and the necessity of prayerfully discerning God’s priorities instead of chasing sparkly distractions.

📋 Key Takeaways 

• Think dominoes, not checklists. The best goals create ripple effects that multiply impact for others, not just convenience for you.
• Door-opening goals beat “nice-to-have” goals. Leaders must discern between small tweaks and system-level upgrades that unlock future fruitfulness.
• Keystone habits change cultures. One consistent practice can quietly shape behaviors, alignment, and momentum across an entire organization.
• Bottlenecks reveal leadership opportunities. If everything depends on you, something needs to be delegated or redesigned.
• Pausing must stay prayerful. Discernment doesn’t come from tools alone—it flows from ongoing conversation with the Holy Spirit.

💬 Quotes & Soundbites

• “The question isn’t just what helps me—it’s what causes a lot more good to happen for a lot more people.”
• “Not everything you could do is something the Lord wants you to do.”
• “Door-opening goals multiply. Nice-to-have goals just sparkle.”

📖 Scripture Tie-Ins

• Acts 6:1–7 – Delegation, leadership focus, and removing bottlenecks
• Proverbs 16:9 – Submitting plans to the Lord
• James 1:5 – Asking God for wisdom with confidence
• Psalm 127:1 – Fruitfulness comes from the Lord, not effort alone

🛠️ Next Steps for Listeners

Reflect & Journal

• Which current goal in my life is a “two-door deal” vs. a “ten-door deal”?
• What pain points for others might God be inviting me to relieve this year?
• Where might I be chasing sparkly instead of faithful?

Spiritual Practice

• Schedule a pause with God this week—even 30 minutes—to revisit your goals prayerfully.
• Ask: “Lord, what does obedience here make possible for others?”

Resources

• Download the Discipline of Pausing eBook: bibleleadership.com/pause
• Check out Ep 69 for a copy of our Series Planning Calendar

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Transcript

Mark Carter (00:00): 

Not everything you could do is something the Lord even wants you to do, even when it will bless in your mind a whole lot of people. 

Erica Adkins (00:05): 

It's a good risk to give someone some authority like, "Hey, I want to hand you something that I think you can do. Let's see if you can do it. " 

Mark Carter (00:15): 

If you're part of a team and there's lots of people working together, there's no way you can know what's limiting the fruitfulness in that side of the team or what's limiting the fruitfulness over there. So this is where you have to walk around. You have to ask questions. You have to say, "Guys, okay, what do you think? What's limiting our Fruitfulness?"

Erica Adkins (00:34): 

Hey, welcome back, BLP listeners. We're so glad that you are with us. Y'all, we have been in this series of the Discipline of Pausing. We're thinking through these eight questions and we are winding it down. We have our eighth question. Last one. Here we go. The question is, "what does achieving this goal make possible?" Now, when I read that question, when I think about that question, I'm thinking, okay, so I've looked over all seven of the questions and I've now boiled it down to my next three steps and whatever. And I'm asking, what does achieving this goal make possible? Mark, am I thinking about that right? What's the context of this question actually? 

Mark Carter (01:13): 

And I wish we could make this a little bit more clear in the question, but this is really a domino question. Okay. So I've thought through my pause. I've gone through my calendar and I've thought through all the things I might do this coming year. And I say, "okay, of the ones that I've picked now, what are the dominoes that fall when I do that thing?" 

Erica Adkins (01:30): 

Okay. 

Mark Carter (01:31): 

So what does that cause positively to happen? And we're going to find some that are, that really helps me or I think that's cool. Okay. This final path helps me differentiate between that. And this is a multiplying tool. If I do this, lots more happens for lots more people that causes a lot more good to happen on planet Earth. So I think if you think dominoes and assume I'm coming in and I don't necessarily know without thinking about it, which ones are actually going to get me the most good, that's what we're trying to resolve in this question. 

Erica Adkins (02:04): 

Okay. Okay. So it's not just "what does this bring down the finish line," but "what does this affect long term?" 

Mark Carter (02:12): 

Yes. And it's even me just in my own mind. See, a lot of this just is for me to make good decisions. I just need to get clear on that. It's about clarity.

Erica Adkins (02:20): 

Yeah, That's good.

Mark Carter (02:21): 

So an example is like right here in the podcast studio, we've got some tech that we could update in the next week and it'd be nice. It'd make our job slightly easy, slightly easier. 

Erica Adkins (02:32): 

Slightly, yes. 

(02:33)
Now we could take an hour and a half and like try to get that done. And that's true and that should happen. But I can have like 150 of those in my year-pause, that I'm like, "oh, we're going to do these 150 little tweaks like that." And that's good, but I might have three things that will cause every one of our staff to be way more productive, every one of our potential disciples to have way more tools to do what they're supposed to do or whatever. So this is just differentiating. Does this just help me? And do I just think that's cool? I mean, if that's what you want to do, that's fine, but you just want to know that you're doing that. 

(03:09)
I spent a lot of years not really know ... I just saw so many things wrong that I wanted to fix that I would spend a lot of time doing those and I spent not enough time on ... I can do two or three things that are going to make a lot of people way more effective, But that's a little more boring to me. Or it takes more time to prepare or something like that. 

Erica Adkins (03:30): 

Okay. 

Mark Carter (03:31): 

So when we started the church, we started this group we mentioned on podcasts before, but maybe you didn't hear that called Joshua's Army. It was a tool that trained leaders. Also, it multiplied DNA. So even if the person wasn't necessarily going to be like a tip of the spear leader, they still absorbed who we were and what we're doing and that would bleed into every small group that they're in. And so that was a version of that's the more I spent time on that, that's a multiplying tool, versus "let me get my emails formatted just the way they do at the mega church." Those are just different what they're going to ... The dominoes fall differently from those things. So that's what we're talking about. 

Erica Adkins (04:17): 

Yeah. What's a metaphor I can use? I mean, that's like I'm just riding my bike down the way versus I actually put a motor on my bike that's going to get me farther. Maybe that's a bad metaphor. I don't know, but that's what I'm thinking. 

Mark Carter (04:30): 

I Think that's Good

Erica Adkins (04:30): 

This is actually doing a lot more for us. 

Mark Carter (04:33): 

Right. And it might be to take that metaphor somewhere. Okay, I can get a bike and I like bikes. I'm into bikes or I can get a van and pick people up, because what I'm really trying to do is not just me enjoy a bike ride. I'm trying to get people to a Place.

Erica Adkins (04:49): 

Yeah. That's really good. I want to pick on just a little bit of what you said, because I think more leaders need to hear this. You said something to the effect of, "I might actually not enjoy this quite as much." 

Mark Carter (05:02): 

Yeah, dude. 

Erica Adkins (05:03): 

Can you Speak to that a little more.

Mark Carter (05:05): 

I think we all see this all the time. I remember seeing it a lot when we first started, and that is that there's excitement. Ministry can be fun. 

Erica Adkins (05:13): 

Yeah. 

Mark Carter (05:14): 

So you can find new tools, you can find new opportunities, and you can get to where you're just chasing sparkly. So you're just like, "That's Cool. Let's do that for a while. Oh, but that's also cool. Let me go over here and do that." And That just diffuses your focus. And when I have a bunch of sparklies that I want to try, hey dude, again, it's America, you can do whatever the heck you want to do, but there's other things that are ... Man, this is going to be a little bit more boring. There's a lot more legwork in that, but the dominoes are, this causes a lot more good to happen for my people. 

Erica Adkins (05:46): 

That's so good. 

Mark Carter (05:48): 

Yeah. 

Erica Adkins (05:48): 

That's so good because it's not just about us. It's about ultimately bringing the kingdom and expanding the kingdom. 

Mark Carter (05:53): 

And that's a difficulty for up and coming leaders. Remember, you're going to have authority sometimes to do stuff that is ministry, but mostly it only blesses you or makes your life a little bit easier. And I think you should make your life easier. Leading better is quicker and that kind of thing is good. But then the big job though is to get the people from here to there as effectively as you possibly can. 

Erica Adkins (06:19): 

Yeah. That's so good. Bring us into a couple more leadership principles as you're thinking about, all right, we're putting our brain into what does this make possible? What are some things? 

Mark Carter (06:29): 

Yeah. So to clarify, we talked about just now, there's door opening goals versus nice to have goals. The nice to have is the little bells and whistles, the little sparklies. 

Erica Adkins (06:41): 

Okay. 

Mark Carter (06:41): 

The door opening means it's a multiplier. It causes more things to happen. 

Erica Adkins (06:45): 

Okay. 

Mark Carter (06:45): 

If I bring other people into this conversation, I'm just going to see more of what the actual dominoes are because I might not know about that. So some ways you can do that. One, you can bring in mentors and say, "Here's the things that I'm thinking about doing. What are the good things that I might not see that are coming from that? " But then also, "what are the potential dangers with that? What do you know about this already? This bites if you go down this road." And even it's just little bites, but there's a certain amount of pain that I'm excited about, so I'm not thinking about that Thing. 

Mark Carter (07:13): 

We've gone to visit other churches over the years and they're doing something really cool. And sometimes we get time with their staff and we'll say stuff like, "Well, what was your biggest mistake with regard to this? " I just want to know before I go into that thing, all those dominoes, some of them don't feel good. So one is mentors. I think nowadays, honestly, AI is just a great helper in terms of brainstorming. It's not that you're asking for it to have perfect omniscience about everything or be exactly right about everything, but you're saying, "I'm having a hard time projecting into the future what happens when I do this thing. What are the potential goods and the potential bads that come from that thing?" 

(07:52)
And then of course it's time in prayer and even just asking the spirit of Jesus, "Here's all my things, Jesus. What's the heat on? Which one of these? Give me clarity of thinking. What blesses my people the most?" And I think that'll bleed into the waiting on God conversation that hopefully we're having a future podcast upcoming, but not everything you could do is something the Lord even wants you to do, even when it will bless in your mind, a whole lot of people. 

(08:18)
So that's where this whole thing, and this is what I hope people aren't missing, because we've been in this talk about this tool where you do all the steps and you ask all the right questions, then you go, like you get this thing at the end, this is what it is. I would never want to divorce this from its prayerful thinking with the Holy Spirit. It's just all of these questions you're asking with him, "What do you think about this, Lord?" And what am I missing about this? 

(08:45)
Just questions like that, that if he gives you one little thing, dude, that's gold. That's something that you wouldn't have had and he doesn't waste his word. 

Erica Adkins (08:55): 

That's really, really good. What about fixing a bottleneck? We've got stuff in the way we need to ... It's limiting. 

Mark Carter (09:05): 

Yeah. And I think excitement about how many things there are to do causes bottlenecks. So you think about Acts 6, one of the things I love about this story is it's not just that the apostles said, "Hey guys, we're going to have you solve that. You're going to solve the serving thing. We're going to go home and pray and teach God's word. You're going to help the widows and help everybody get served the right amount." Not only did they ... So they demonstrated, "we trust you to do this," but in the culture of the first church, they created the expectation, "Oh, don't wait on the apostles to do everything." They're going to want other people to do stuff. So let's all just think about that. So they built into the culture, this resistance to bottlenecks. 

(09:55)
When I'm bottlenecking, one of the things that's probably going wrong is I'm just trying to find more ways to get more done, but I'm not asking, "who can I give large chunks of things to that is competent, that will do a lot while I'm not looking and not paying attention to having to do anything." That's going to help bottlenecks. It's just, but that itself is the domino. So somewhere along the line, you recruited, you got around people that would be competent to be able to take large stuff, or they're competent enough To Do what you need them to Do. So bottlenecks for sure. 

Erica Adkins (10:30): 

Yeah. If I can piggyback on that, I think sometimes as leaders, we're hesitant to hand something over either because we know we can do it maybe more quickly, more efficiently, or we think, "I don't know if I can totally trust this person to completely get it down the line." I think sometimes it's a good risk when it's not something that's going to maybe break your organization. It's a good risk to give someone some authority like, "Hey, I want to hand you something that I think you can do. Let's see if you can do it. " 

(11:03)
There's a guy that I follow online, Brady Shearer. And when he was in high school, one of the leaders in his church just handed him a camera and was like, "Start taking pictures, start taking video." And he didn't really know what he was doing, but now he's one of the people in the church world that a lot of people look to of "how do you do this well?" And it's because a leader entrusted it to him. So that bottleneck, his church may have never moved forward in technology and getting socials and that kind of stuff, but because they did empower Someone underneath them- 

Mark Carter (11:37): 

Yeah, baby. 

Erica Adkins (11:38): 

Doors Opened. 

Mark Carter (11:38): 

Yeah. 

Erica Adkins (11:39): 

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

Mark Carter (11:40): 

A little sidelight. So there's a book called, "If you want to get things done, you don't have to do it yourself." 

Erica Adkins (11:45): 

Good. 

Mark Carter (11:46): 

It's a real step by step. Here's the proper way to delegate. Sometimes we can just think of delegation as like here and it's way more detailed nets like, what's the scope of authority? When am I going to check in with you? What are you authorized to do versus what can you empower somebody else to do? All that can be very specific and actually kind of quick if we learn to do that, but yeah. 

Erica Adkins (12:12): 

Yeah. That's really, really good. Okay. So we've talked about some leadership principles with this. Mark, do you have any hacks? What are some metrics or some things that we can consider to help us decipher what it brings down the road? 

Mark Carter (12:26): 

So I've got some thoughts. Remember, we're thinking about, "okay, there's scattered little improvements versus system upgrades." That's a way to think about what we're talking about. What's a little improvement versus updates an entire system? One is the "Door Count Exercise." So we're really asking a question, "how many doors does this open?" If I pick this goal that I came to at the end of this pause, time of Discipline of Pausing, and I ask a question, and maybe I ask some colleagues, some staff members, some fellow workers, "here's the thing I'm thinking about doing, what doors would you say that opens?" And you Just play a little game. And if you can only open two doors, you might want to think about a different one. Okay. You Know what I'm saying? Because just look at the other ones, because if they open up 10 doors, and again, it's a brainstorming kind of fun little game, but it helps you find out this is a 10-door-deal and this is a two-door-deal. Okay, do the 10-door, man. 

Erica Adkins (13:21): 

Yeah, you're looking for maximum impact. 

Mark Carter (13:23): 

Right. 

Erica Adkins (13:23): 

Yeah. 

Mark Carter (13:24): 

Another one is Keystone Habits. And it's not always obvious at first because little tweaks can make a big difference. 

Erica Adkins (13:35): 

Yeah, Well, really quick, what do you mean by keystone habits? 

Mark Carter (13:37): 

So, a Keystone habit is where I do a thing and it causes other people to do habits or to take action In A consistent manner so that they're also doing habits or in a personal way, it could be, "I do a habit that causes me to do other Habits."

Erica Adkins (13:53): 

Okay. 

Mark Carter (13:54): 

But in this organizational context, we'll do a thing that causes a bunch of other good things to happen consistently. Example, We have a master calendar that one year we decided, "okay, we're too all over the place. People are doing different things. We're having meetings at the same time, we're having events at the same time." And so there's a lot of back and forth communication. "Hey, are you doing the thing and what are we doing about this? "And we just needed a simple way to everybody to be on the same page in a decentralized way. So you don't ... Once you have authority to do something, you can just do it within the ecosystem of the church. 

(14:28)
So This big old calendar that the staff have access to and they can change, it's got every weekend date and midweek as well. And they can come in and they say," I'm doing this here" and that causes them to have all kinds of, "okay, everyone knows this. I can just get about my business and then I see That she's doing that and he's doing that, which gives me a next action. I'm just going to go do that." I don't need to even sync on it because we've done it 40 times or whatever. It releases people to be able to do a whole bunch of things because we did one thing as a team and just said," We're going to have a master calendar. "That's a keystone habit. 

Erica Adkins (15:00): 

Yep. Speaking of that, we attached that in episode 69's show notes. So if you want that, it's blank now. I mean, the dates are still in there, but you can fill that in with whatever ministries or whatever organizational things that you've got going on. Use that too. 

Mark Carter (15:15): 

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for doing that. That's an example of one that reduces friction too. So it keeps us from having a bunch of random extra conversations. We're going to have plenty anyway. This just takes away about a hundred. 

Erica Adkins (15:31): 

That's really good. All right. We already talked about bottleneck hunting a little bit. What is this currently limiting? Can you give some more examples of that maybe in our context so that people can think about that, like that bottleneck idea or anything you want to add to that? 

Mark Carter (15:49): 

Yeah. I think it's just a good question to ask is, "what's limiting our fruitfulness?" And I think this is an example of where there's for sure stuff that you don't know. If you're part of a team and there's lots of people working together, there's no way you can know what's limiting the fruitfulness in that side of the team or what's limiting the fruitfulness over there. So this is where you have to walk around. You have to ask questions. You have to say," Guys, okay, what do you think? What's limiting our fruitfulness?" Maybe it's something on your team, maybe you on this team see over here, "well, they're doing this and that's why it's jacking us up," or Something Like that. So just asking that, it's not always just a bottleneck of ... It's about a person. It is about, I don't even know that this thing is happening or not happening and it's causing everything else to be less effective. So that's a bottleneck version. 

Erica Adkins (16:41): 

That's really Good. 

Mark Carter (16:43): 

I think one of the things that I might say is a keystone habit it that is helpful. This is more cultural. Okay. So We had a organizational with the calendar. A cultural version would be years ago we decided let's have something called "The Boom" in the morning before church. So like we have the pre-service meeting, church hasn't started, and right in the middle of that We have a big prayer meeting. Now people on their teams, as you know, are still going to go pray after that, but this is a meeting that releases other things to happen. It's a keystone habit. Everybody meets at this time and we're going to pray. Now when we pray what that causes, one, it causes God's power to be on the morning in a different and more meaningful way. It models that prayer is important to all of our volunteers. We were finding when we first started that like everyone's so silent and scattered, it was cool that things would happen, but there was no sense of unity or that we're all in the same football team, so to speak. 

(17:38)
So it additionally, it fosters unity. It gives strength to the people who are there, many of whom it's not what we wish, but they probably didn't have time with God before they got There

Erica Adkins (17:48): 

Before they Arrived. Yeah. 

Mark Carter (17:49): 

So they're feeling even dry. So having a 15 minute time where, "we're going to get in the spirit and we're going to call down heaven and we're going to remember this is about God, not just about executing my task in the morning." That's one more example of that's one thing we did that causes these ripples of other great things to happen that we want to happen. 

Erica Adkins (18:06): 

Yeah. I think if you're looking in more of a secular context, that could look like you're probably not going to have a prayer meeting in your office, though maybe you could. And we would encourage you if you can make that happen, like do that. But maybe that does just look like a quick check-in with all of your team. Everybody hates meetings. Turn it into an email if you can, but a quick check-in where you are unified, "Hey, I'm doing this. " Everybody gets 45 seconds to just shoot off, "This is what I'm doing." And then if that piques somebody else's interest, that you can have an offline conversation for that, right? But getting a unified team, getting a unified space so that everybody feels empowered to do what they're do and then move on and still be a team. 

Mark Carter (18:46): 

I think that's good. And if you can couple of prayer ... I remember working in a secular organization and we happened to be able to do prayer, a handful of us, And There's no question like, "I believe that increased sales." That did all kinds of stuff that was super helpful. 

Erica Adkins (18:59): 

Yeah, that's really, really good. Mark, are there any quick warnings that you can give us as you're looking at this and assessing this question? 

Mark Carter (19:07): 

Yeah. So we mentioned one, just to review it real quick. The danger with this and the danger of not including others is you can make it about you. You can make it about, as a leader, you're using your authority to only improve your stuff versus like you're actually supposed to go find out what the pain points are for other people and part of your annual plan should be to relieve those pain points for those people to the degree that you can. 

(19:30)
I think a couple more are, again, we mentioned this a little bit, but there's only so much time. So as many ideas as you can, there's got to be a scrutiny and a discretion of, I'm going to aim at the ones that I know are the Lord and then any of these other ones are extra and good, but it comes with a reliance on God knows what to do. 

(19:55)
This is what we did wrong, or I did wrong at the beginning, was I just wanted to do everything. And what that did was it kept me from building certain things early on that would be really, really good and I could just build on those over the years and instead of like a mad dash, "just get the church up." To a degree you have to do that a little bit, but I regret not going slower and saying, "We're just going to get good at this this year." That's it. 

Mark Carter (20:23): 

That would Have saved us some time. So those would be some warnings. I've got a question before we end though, E. 

Erica Adkins (20:30): 

Yeah. 

Mark Carter (20:31): 

We've gone through this entire series. I know that you're familiar with this stuff, of course, but it's also been a deep review. Are there any things for you that ... It was helpful to hear that again, or it sparked some new thinking With Regard to this discipline of pausing? 

Erica Adkins (20:47): 

Yeah. So I go generally at the beginning of a year through a reflection guide of sorts, but I think what this really helped me to remember in major ways is I need to slow down with the Holy Spirit a lot more. I need to be asking for his insight And his plan forward. Again, I'm more in an admin role and probably a lot of people ... We're leaders in the way that we think and act, but in our actual titles, probably not have as much leadership responsibility. And so sometimes I'll get into the mindset and the movement of, well, I'll just react. I'll just take what comes at me and go. You need to slow down enough with the Lord because he has things for you to do. Yes, you are supposed to be supporting other people. You are supposed to be pulling off the things at your job and accomplishing those things, but you are not just an automaton for your job. You are a human that God has placed here on purpose and he's got things only for you to do. And if you're not slowing down enough for him, you may miss it. You may miss some of the things that he's put in your path. And so having your eyes open for that and slowing down is good. 

(22:06)
I think also that one question, "what do you pretend not to know?" I think that question kills me, in probably a really good way, of slowing down enough to ask, "Jesus, what am I pushing past? What am I moving away from? What am I missing?" And I think in a lot of ways I have turned off my ... "No, the Lord has made me a leader in person. I don't have to have a title for that..." and I can just go. I can just love people well right where I'm at. And so I think I'm pretending not to know that God has ordained me for such a time as this to do the skills that I do have. 

(22:53)
And so I think all of this is at the bottom of it it's sitting with Jesus, asking him what he wants for your next year and being intentional. I don't tend to be intentional. I just kind of let things come at me. But if I'm intentional, then with the Lord's help, we can get a heck of a lot more done. 

Mark Carter (23:15): 

I'm so glad you said that. And to piggyback off the first part, I think most folks have somebody they're taking orders from, and it can be tempting to be like, "Well, they're just going to tell me what I'm going to do. " Maybe a way to reconceptualize it. If that's the case, remember that you actually have two bosses. You have whoever you're taking orders from, but then there's who you should really be taking orders from. And he may have a whole lot to say. And if we don't create a space for him to say it, he's going to comment on that other job and a bunch of other stuff maybe, and we just didn't give him the opportunity to do it. So that's really the point of the pause. 

Erica Adkins (23:49): 

Yeah. That's so good. Well, hey, as we are wrapping this up, I just want to bring to your attention. We created a little ebook for you; kind of going through all the different questions, all the different things that we had, some extra reflection, some space for you to notate. Although if you're techie, like Mark here, you're probably not going to put anything on paper, but it's going to help you access- 

Mark Carter (24:10): 

But the Digital version Can help for sure.

Erica Adkins (24:11): 

that E-book, for sure. So if you go to bibleleadership.com/pause, you can get all the information there, sign up for our newsletter, and then we'll send it to you. 

Mark Carter (24:20): 

And it's cool, man. It's not just like a throwaway PDF. It's actually really good. 

Erica Adkins (24:24): 

Thanks. Yay. Awesome. Mark, any final thoughts about this question, about this whole series? 

Mark Carter (24:30): 

I think the heart I would want to leave people with is you have to fight to pause with God. So you don't have to just do it once a year. You can do it four times a year. You can do it quarterly or whatever, but we have to know it's really ... Unless we build it in and keep it, like you got to get it, but then you got to keep it. Unless we do that, the devil is going to oppose this as well as life, as well as circumstances. And so just fighting to get pause-time with God more frequently, I think can only bless everybody. 

Erica Adkins (25:03): 

Yeah. There's a phrase that I've heard. It goes divert daily. So get away daily, withdraw weekly, slow down enough to like pull out for just a little bit and then abandon annually. And I think all of those, as we do this with Jesus, we get more clarity, we get more effective and the Lord gets glorified. 

Mark Carter (25:24): 

Let me include one. Pause persistently. So just as much as possible, get time above it so you can do stuff in it. 

Erica Adkins (25:34): 

So good. So good. All right, y'all. I hope these eight questions have been helpful to you. Don't forget bibleleadership.com/pause. Sign up to get that ebook and yeah. All right guys. Go with the Lord. See you. 

Mark Carter (25:48): 

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