Episode 6: Jake St. John

In this deeply personal episode of Generations, Cameron sits down with Jake St. Jean—a devoted husband, father, grandfather, and man of faith facing stage four cancer.

Jake shares the experiences that shaped him, the people he loves, and the faith that continues to carry him through an uncertain season. The conversation explores family, hardship, hope, and what becomes most important when life forces us to slow down and look at it honestly.

More than a conversation about illness, this is a story about living with purpose, trusting God when the road is difficult, and leaving the people you love with something lasting.

Generations with Cameron Riese is a podcast about wisdom passed down, stories worth sharing, and faith lived out across generations. New episodes feature honest conversations between kids and elders about life, purpose, and following God’s lead.

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:33

Can you introduce yourself?

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Yes, my name's Jake St. John. And I know your dad through our Bible study at Mountain Bible.

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Wait, did you ever play Little League?

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Did I play Little League? Yeah. I did.

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What team were you?

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Well, I played in Campbell, Little League.

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What team were you? Wait, you went to the Little League World League?

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I didn't go, no. Two couple years ahead of me when it. Yeah, they were real good.

SPEAKER_05 1:06

Wait, there's a Little League World Series?

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There is. For every for They for Legends. Mexico, everywhere.

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So there's kids coming from China.

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Yep.

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What if everyone in the little what if everyone in this country is bad?

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If everybody in the country is bad?

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Yeah.

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I I don't know. I don't know. They just play baseball. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39

How good was the team? Were that picture?

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Our team? Well.

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So how good was the World Series team?

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That one that from Campbell? Very good. We won one.

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Were they throwing? And we lost the second time.

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They went twice.

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Were they throw wait, they went to the World Series twice?

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Mm-hmm.

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Same team?

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Well, not exactly the same team. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:02

What team were you like the Padres?

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No, I was later on. I was later on.

SPEAKER_05 2:06

No, what team were you?

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Oh, I was on a c a team called the Willow Glen Optimist. So we didn't, so whoever sponsored us, that became the team's name.

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Oh wait.

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So my son, my youngest son, was your brother's coach, I think, right? Or was he, I don't know, somehow. Had worked with him. So so my son Preston played for CCB. Right? And didn't your brother play for CCB?

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I think he just played for Quicksilver.

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So he played for Quicksilver too?

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Yeah.

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Scott? A little bit of sculpt. He played for Scott. So you're in the outfield? That must mean you're fast. Can you run fast?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. They put the fast kids in the outfield because they have more ground to cover. Do you play center field?

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Oh, I play all over. And if I don't, I play third.

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Oh.

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Yeah, you strike me as a Wait, so what's the story why why you started coming to Mountain Bible?

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I lived up in uh on Summit, and then I had um, and then I I met Kavika and David, and then I started attending, but then I had some medical issues. And once those medical issues were well known and you know pretty pronounced, then my wife was taking care of her mom here, and um, and then uh once I got out of the hospital, they wanted me to come down here and live here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:01

Is there a house up there?

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Yeah, well, I was I was renting it, I leased it. Mm-hmm. By the fire station. You know where the fire station is? No. No.

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Our the lane we live off of is for fires and place. It's called Timus because it's easy to find.

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Yeah.

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Because it's summit backwards.

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That would be easy to find.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And so that's that's how I. Yeah. I uh I have three sons. One of them's 28, one of them's 25, and one of them's 22.

SPEAKER_05 4:50

They're all in their 20s?

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Yeah, two of them are married, and I have a grandbaby due any minute. Literally any minute. She's two days late.

SPEAKER_05 5:01

So wait, the babies get it's she's in the hospital right now?

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Mama. Mom, she's in mama's belly.

SPEAKER_05 5:12

Wait, so is she in labor?

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Not yet. We're waiting for labor. Yeah. And that's my family, and I've lived here my entire life. I grew up in Las Gatas.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

Wait, this exact house?

SPEAKER_02 5:29

No, not this house. And yeah, between here and Santa Cruz. So I we had a place, we had a we had like a beach bungalow in Santa Cruz, and then we had, you know, I lived and went to school here. I went to Westmont High School and Soquel High School. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:52

What elementary school did you go to?

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I went to elementary school called Capri Elementary.

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Which middle school did you go to?

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Rolling Hills Junior High School. Which I think we play CT English. We used to compete against CT English all the time. Rolling Hills did sometimes.

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In what?

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What do you mean? In wrestling, soccer, badminton, all that stuff. Uh field hockey. I don't know. You guys have a field hockey team? Maybe not at maybe not at the junior high school level.

SPEAKER_05 6:29

What what was your favorite thing to do?

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As as a kid?

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As anything.

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As anything. Well, it changes, you know, as you go through life, right? So when I was when I was a kid, um, I just wanted to hang out with my friends all the time on the in the neighborhood. But when I turned 10, I got my first skateboard. And then that was it. Once I got my first skateboard, it was a Santa Cruz bullet. I never forget it. And uh from the time I was like 10 years old till the time I was like probably 16, even a little bit after getting my license, I just would skate and surf with my friends pretty much all the time. That that's like all we did. Yeah. Among other things.

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What was your favorite thing to do after that?

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After that? Well, you know, when you get a vehicle, you you get greater range.

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So couldn't you just skateboard everywhere?

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No, I used to, no, we used to skateboard when I when I didn't have my license. But once I got my license, you I pretty much just transitioned to surfing all the time. Yeah. So if I was gonna go anywhere, it was gonna go to the beach. I would, I would, even living in Las Gadas, I would surf like three, four days a week in in high school. And like most kids, they go home, watch TV for a while, do their homework. As soon as that bell rang, I I I went to the beach because I I was gonna get, you know, an hour or two surfing in as much as possible.

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I always do the stunts, I always use my stunt scooter at the park.

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You use your sunscreen?

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Stunt scooter.

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Oh, stunt scooter. Wow. So does that have a battery on it?

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No.

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No.

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It's just a scooter that's made for stunts.

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Yeah.

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But uh, it's the size of a regular scooter. The scoot the stunt scooters are supposed to be pretty low. The handles are supposed to be pretty low, so you can do a tail whip.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Ah. Can you tail whip? Not yet. You don't want to tail whip into your shins, right? Yeah. That'd be amazing.

SPEAKER_05 8:57

I've done that before with a razor scooter.

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Yeah.

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Well, razor scooters have little edges.

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I know. So yeah, and then after that, I went to college and started life pretty young.

SPEAKER_05 9:17

What was your favorite thing to do before? Like when you were a little kid.

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A little kid? I don't know. I was kind of a mama's boy until I was about like eight or nine. Yeah. So I just, you know, when you're young, you just you go where your parents take you, right? Um dude, I like I played baseball. I literally started playing ball when I was five years old.

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Um, I started when I was four.

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Just yeah. We'd wake up in the morning, we'd play baseball on the street until you know it was time to go to baseball practice. Then we go to baseball practice, practice.

SPEAKER_05 10:02

Wait, you guys got to play baseball when you were a little?

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Yeah.

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We played t-ball.

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T ball. No, not on the street. We don't play t-ball. But but I did play t-ball when I was five, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:13

I mean, you kind of play t-ball instead of baseball.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

No, t ball is just the first year, then baseball after that.

SPEAKER_05 10:22

And then it's coach pitch.

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Coach pitch, yep, that's right. Triple A. What do we call triple A? I don't know what they call it at Las Gadas. Triple A, yeah.

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Triple A.

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Double A A. So it's minor major, right?

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So it's um T-ball, single A, double A, then it's two years of AAA, and then you go to majors.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

That's right. And I coached my sons too for 14 seasons.

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14 seasons.

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14 seasons. Wait, all of them for So I go spring, right? Which is like right now, the main, the main baseball season. Then we do summer ball, then we do fall ball, and there was winter ball. So my boys just played, they played all year except for six six to eight weeks. We didn't do um Thanksgiving or we didn't do the holidays. Maybe one tournament between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and that would be it. That was a lot of baseball, huh? I did that till I was about 13 years old.

SPEAKER_05 11:33

How good were you?

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Um I don't I don't like to to brag, but how good was I? You know, I had I had I had little I had little league batting numbers, um usually getting picked first or second in in any draft.

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Uh were you coach's kid?

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I was not a coach's kid. No, I was not a coach's kid. Yeah.

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I'm always like last because I don't I'm not fruse I because I don't live close to the field. To the coach's kid.

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To the coach's kid.

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Because I'm not like the coach's kid's really good friend.

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That helps. Being friendly with the coach's kid helps, certainly, but I think you can practice and get better, but not be the coach's kid's friend. But that might not change where the coach puts his own kid in the field, but you know, you know in your heart, right? That you worked harder, you did more, you went the extra, you went the extra put in the extra effort. Right?

SPEAKER_05 12:52

Yeah, like the best thing I've ever gotten in in baseball was to pitch like two times.

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Did you like pitching?

SPEAKER_05 13:03

Yeah. But I hit one kid in my and I'm out.

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In the mouth?

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In this in the in I hit him in the kidney.

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You hit him in the kidney.

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It's not my fault he fell down and started crying.

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Wow.

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Just because I pitched fast and then he was fine to run the bases.

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He was fine to run the bases?

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Yes.

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Yeah, because yeah. Cause the pain already went away.

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Yeah.

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That's right. So that's what I did. I played baseball, then I skated, then I surfed.

SPEAKER_05 13:34

Wait, did you pitch?

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No, I was a catcher and I played second base. Yeah. I was a catcher.

SPEAKER_05 13:48

Could you hit?

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Yes. Yes, I could hit.

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How far?

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Uh it wasn't distance. I I was like uh had very high on base percentages and very line drive hitter. Line drive hitter. Yeah. But like the six and seven.

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I'm either a weak everywhere hitter or a really strong fly ball hitter.

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Oh a weak spray, you do you don't, you just you're like ground balls and what, bloopers.

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Weak balls or really strong balls.

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Or really strong balls.

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No regular balls.

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No. No solid ground, no solid grounders through the infield.

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Just wild balls. But I sometimes I hit rapid rapid gun balls. Because sometimes it's coming in really fast and I don't have time to swing right. So then I act so sometimes I I hit it down because I swing too early.

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Yeah.

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And then it it spikes at the ground and then it makes hoppers.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Those are hard to field, right? And you can beat it out. That's a base hit.

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We were down by two first game of playoffs. I almost got a grand slow.

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Yeah, right field's a good place to go with bases loaded. You just went Oppo, are you a right-handed hitter?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Good job.

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Yeah. But the sad thing is the um there were two kids that had a birthday on that day, and one of those kids would have to lose on our birthday.

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Yeah, that would yeah, that's no buoy and help.

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Luckily it wasn't a kid on my team.

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So what else would you like to know?

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What's something you built or created that you're really proud of?

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Well, that's a big, big question. Cause like I'm uh I was uh I was a carpenter for a long time. Well, I was a residential carpenter.

SPEAKER_05 16:17

What's that?

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It's like um a guy who builds houses um and manages the construction. So I've been started out in residential for four years, and then I went to commercial, and then I was just doing tenant improvement type of work at commercial buildings, and then a man from the church I was going to at the time, which was Saratoga Federated, he called me and offered me a job to build data centers. And so I've been at I've been building data centers since the year 2000.

SPEAKER_05 16:59

Um what's a data center?

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That's what that's the question always comes. It's a building full of computers.

SPEAKER_05 17:08

I should have guessed that.

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Yeah. So when you order off of Amazon or you order or you go to Facebook or you do that, that's all going, it's all going through a building and machines.

SPEAKER_05 17:21

What a second. So like the old computers or like laptops?

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Um, no. They're servers. You wouldn't even recognize them.

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The big boxes.

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Yeah, it's a big box. It looks like a big pizza box.

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So like the old person TVs with with the pad that you write on.

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Yeah, kinda. Yeah, they're just big racks and there's just pizza boxes going all the way down.

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Wow.

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But the they're not really pizza boxes. They're they're about 80 pounds each, 70 to 80 pounds each. And there's probably 20 or 30 of them.

SPEAKER_05 17:58

That's heavier than my friends.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

Huh?

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That's heavier than my friends.

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Yeah.

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Not as heavy as these.

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Yeah. And that's where when you go online and search, that's where that's where it goes. It goes to the data center to access the information and then it pushes it back to you.

SPEAKER_05 18:16

Wait, so how big are they?

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Um, they they vary in size. So I manage eight buildings right now. Um, my smallest building is less than one one megawatt of power. My biggest building is 25 megawatts of power. And then most of them fall into that 15 to 20 megawatt.

SPEAKER_05 18:42

So one's less than one, and one's about 25.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

But there are ones that are bigger. What?

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What's the biggest one in the world?

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Well, it's not been built yet, but it's it's planned to be built in Utah, and that data center will be 60 acres. Uh 40. The actual buildings will be something like 40 acres. It'll be bigger than half the size of Manhattan. One data center.

SPEAKER_07 19:15

Huh.

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And they already have actually the world's, actually, I think the world's largest is actually still in Utah right now. They're just gonna make a bigger one. We're talking 500 gigawatts of power.

SPEAKER_05 19:27

How many computers?

SPEAKER_02 19:29

I haven't that that's almost an impossible question to answer. Oh man, that's what I said. Because you don't you don't know who the customer is gonna be. So, but if it's if it's a big customer, what we call hyperscalers, it's gonna be your Oracle's, your Google's, your Microsofts. Those are gonna be your your those are gonna be the ones who are gonna scale the biggest. But the truth is the government is the biggest hyperscaler.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

Do you get the government a lot?

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I believe yeah, I believe we provide service to the government.

SPEAKER_05 20:09

How many how many computers are in the tiny little one?

SPEAKER_02 20:13

So in in um let's say in a building like my building, say in Palo Alto, we have 700 racks. You can put you can put up to 40 servers in each rack, but no one really ever does that. So you just say let's cut it, let's cut it down to 20 servers per rack, right? So 700 times 20, and that's the number of servers.

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Uh school's over for me.

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That's how it works. So when you say what have you built, um I built data centers that help people process information.

SPEAKER_05 21:02

Wait, how much do they cost to make? Well, do you pay for it out of pocket?

SPEAKER_02 21:10

We some are 25 million. But the ones we're building nowadays are closer to 215 million.

SPEAKER_05 21:18

What?

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Yeah.

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How much is the one in Utah?

SPEAKER_02 21:23

That I don't even know. I don't think they even have a number for that.

SPEAKER_05 21:29

It's like a hundred thousand million trillion?

SPEAKER_02 21:31

No, it's it's just such a mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_05 21:33

Is it like trillions?

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Like what?

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Trillions?

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Not trillions, no. It'll be in the billions. So our company is gonna spend 48 billion dollars in the next five years building um high density data centers in the United States. 48 billion is a lot of money for data centers that cost maybe three. billion to build on that scale. So that's about the the three to five billion dollars. How many are you make it? Probably 15 if we can if if the materials are available. So the money's available but the materials aren't really available. So when you build something like that, you need a lot of copper. A lot of copper. Because copper is what conducts the electricity. And you need a lot of silver. So silver goes into the servers and it's why silver? Because it's the best conductor.

SPEAKER_05 22:33

What about steel and iron?

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Not as good.

SPEAKER_05 22:37

Can't you just use it?

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Not at that scale.

SPEAKER_05 22:42

What happens if you do?

SPEAKER_02 22:45

You get poor you get lackluster performance. Your machine won't be as good and then the people won't buy that machine or or release it from you.

SPEAKER_05 22:53

Wait, people buy your computers?

SPEAKER_02 22:57

Actually what they do is they rent space but they they buy computers from the companies that make the computers. Wait so like Apple yeah Apple will buy from Dell right or Apple will make its own or mic Apple will whatever their need is they will do they will do whatever yeah yeah Apple Apple makes their own machines right but our customers so the really heavy computers turn into the MacBooks? No. No no no that's not that's not how that works. Yeah. Wait so can you type in the what you see is the MacBook what you see is the Apple Air what you see is the retail product but if you actually go into a deployment you're going to see all different types of computers that Apple uses to transmit the data. So just giant yeah they they partner with a lot of different giant boxes with buttons. Exactly and pretty lights why do they metal boxes with pretty lights wait why did why are there so many computers? Because there's a lot of demand for information.

SPEAKER_05 24:19

Can't they just make one big computer?

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Well we think that they probably can and Google might have I I haven't seen proof of it but that's getting to the next that's getting to the next level are they the same size as the MacBook Neos but just really big it's what it's called quantum.

SPEAKER_05 24:42

Quantum physics quantum quantum realm isn't the quant isn't quantum really small quantum no not as a computer it's not oh it's very intricate the qu I thought the quantum realm was the place that's more microscopic than than Tartigrates yeah but we're talking about we're talking about information oh all right we're talking about my bits of information yeah I guess it is small in that in that regard how is it about the size of a chair?

SPEAKER_02 25:22

I haven't seen it I've only seen the concept so we don't even know if it's real those are just claims. You don't see what the computers look like I see what the computers in my data center look like but I'm talking about quantum the quantum computer is completely different.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

Wait so is the is are your computers like the size of a chair the size of a TV or the size of a they're the size of a pizza box.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Oh but what really big yeah they're just like the size of a pizza box like that big and put them in the slot.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

Are they flat?

SPEAKER_02 25:57

You wire them up yeah they're pretty flat oh what was the biggest one you've ever seen biggest computer yeah well they're 22 inches wide and 48 inches deep that is the new standard that's the biggest one I've ever seen wait so how come they've gone from like two million to 200 billion well that's for a building that's to build the building yeah but why because of power so if I have a 25 megawatt building that's gonna cost me less uh over 8000 square feet than if I have a hundred kilowatt building over three hundred thousand square feet you see what I'm saying can't you just make it small yeah so this one's just smaller so it costs less and that one's bigger can you just make it smaller with more megawatts say that again can't you just make it smaller with more megawatts with more megawatts yeah over time that's what happens just make it smaller that creates another problem right so if you have more megawatts in a smaller space it gets really hot and those the computers the machines the hard drives they will burn up at about a hundred they start to burn at like about 120 to 130 degrees Fahrenheit. Well you shouldn't put them in you shouldn't put them in Arizona in an in an environment that so we keep them in an environment that only allows them to get no hotter than like 78 degrees we were kind of pushing the envelope for efficiency so maybe it's gonna go a little higher can't you just put a bunch of ice in there kind of kind yeah you kind of got the concept what about air conditioners yeah we have big air conditioners let's try it chillers we call them chillers if you have a ton of big air conditioning you can move them to every hottest place in the world yeah that's exactly right that's exactly right and that's what we've been doing so across the globe we have 280 data centers all the way from in the world from yeah Africa to Australia to wait in the world there's only 200 280 in the world in the world for just our company oh that would be really weird if there's only a that many in the world no no there's a lot more than that those are just the ones we're involved with did you know you wanted to be a dad what's the I knew I want to be a dad well I knew I was gonna when I was 10 years old I knew that I would be married someday I don't know how I knew I just knew did you know who did you I was gonna marry yeah no no not a 10 yeah do you want to be a dad someday no I just want to adopt adopt wow that's very that's very nice what's your favorite thing about being a dad what's my favorite what I like best about being a dad yeah um that's a that's a good question I just liked it and so when you like something you just do it right it's being there for them providing for I like digging holes you like digging holes I like spending time with my sons but I but I really don't like worms I really don't like them worms worms eh I don't mind worms I have a few worms they're they're creepy they have no eyes they only have a mouth they're pink they're slimy and they're long yes and they have no legs no legs but they make the soil rich with nutrients don't they but so does horse poop huh so does horse poop yeah that does it too that that was what I I couldn't wait to get home from work right like I looked forward to the end of the day and do their bedtime routine when they were real little I'd usually get home take like a 20 minute nap and then go coach whatever I was gonna do that day mostly baseball or take them to their wrestling or do their after school event were they good at wrestling with that were they good at wrestling I had one son that was really good at wrestling yeah yeah I've never wrestled do you think you'd enjoy it no yeah you probably shouldn't then um I'm trying out boxing boxing yeah that sounds fun from now I just spar until I get older until you get a little bit older when did you start believing in God when I started believing in God I was like probably like seven years old I used to go to a church called Cambrian Park Methodist and my family went there for like two generations and I just remember one day after Sunday school I just um I had this really warm feeling and I just knew in my heart that God existed and that he loved me and that's sort of when I went home and I told my mom I want to get baptized and so my sister got baptized um we got baptized together and that was it that was it I just knew I got baptized the reservoir you got baptized at at Lexington congratulations that must have been fun. Yeah what what was your favorite thing to do in Sunday school I like the so back in the day we didn't have videos and everything we had these like little like I forget what they call those the the charts that you you know you're like here's the disciples and here's Jesus and and then they would you know move what did they call those flannel flannel boards yeah the flannel boards yeah what what were the flannel boards it was like a way to tell the story of the gospel because we didn't have phones and like video and iPads and nah there was a teacher at the front explaining everything I thought you guys used cassette tapes we did have cassette tapes but not for that wait I thought cassette tapes were like everything like the video only only audio well I thought it was like if you wanted to watch I guess you get an eight track last night was kind of rough because they switched my meds so we're trying to balance that out um but I was losing like five pounds a week there for a while I got down to like one I weighed uh earlier this week yeah Thursday so I think I weighed on Sunday it was like I was down to like 194 which that's like that's like June that's like high school weight um but I just weighed this morning so they switched my meds out and uh my appetite's been a lot better so I just I I I weighed this morning at like 197 so I picked up a couple of three pounds which is good. I'm on well I'm on temporary I don't temporary I'm on uh is that what they call it yeah uh short term disability um but basically once I go on FMLA or short term disability they don't they don't even want me to log in um so I I literally haven't even logged in for at least six weeks I don't monitor my phone because they know if you're doing all that and that creates liability for them um in the FMLA standard but I'll be coming off FMLA at the end of the month um that doesn't mean I'm gonna get cleared to go back they'll just they'll just extend my short-term disability for another three and then if if the problem's still persisting they just probably move me to long-term disability yeah um but that's all like way down the road yeah but but yeah uh I have really good days I have really bad days yeah um that's why we're trying to switch the meds because they're like I don't think they didn't think the the the meds that I was on were helping me and so they moved me to a different category yeah that allows for like longer release times and um is more effective at separating the pain and then I do my own you know I basically do my own self-treatment too so yeah what do you do with your self-treatment I dose um like very high high quantities of CBD right like I do um it's a derivative of of marijuana that is really good at pain management so the CBD kills the pain actually it it's really good at separating the pain receptors so I dose like 30 to one doses or higher okay there's even a 50 to one dose and that'll last pr pretty long time I I kind of just do it every two hours just to kind of keep it all in my system and then I wear these patches it's all it's all non it's all non-psychotic right like they don't they just start transferring the the the what do the patches do so those are C BD too those are uh 20 to 1 CBD and they are transdermal so the CBD just goes directly into my bloodstream through my skin yeah how I'm not sure about the how I just know it works yeah pretty much pain management appetite and like bowel movements that's pretty much it and if I if I can if I can like get I'm I'm good right like like I can I can function I can totally function but they don't really leave me alone much longer than like an hour and a half or two hours and then I have a driver so my sister comes or Heather drives me um a lot of it mostly it's my sister like during the day if I have to run errands or whatever like Heather still has to work and she has a lot on her plate with like her dad's passing and getting that all squared away and then my situation so Heather's like really active in helping manage my condition but my sister is too so um yeah that's kind of how it goes they they all kind of know like if I'm like hey I need to go lay down or I just need to go back home they all know just we just go yeah but I can't drive because of the meds um and uh so that yeah so I'm pinned down sometimes but not usually I just have to plan ahead yeah right I've been what you know I call happy sad so I'll cry over happy things but not really I don't fear anything I don't fear what comes next or what that transition's gonna be like I do I do sometimes think in my head well if you were just to get crushed by a car there's a there's no thinking there's no time to experience anything you're just like but with with a cancer diagnosis those can be pretty painful like I've seen people really like that's why the pain management is so critical because I I don't think people would live very long much longer without with the the pain meds I don't see how I don't see how people they would either pass out all the time from the pain because you die from pain I don't know if you can die from pain but well what I do know is that sometimes it can be so bad that you wish you were dead yeah and so that's why I try to be super proactive about it. Like I didn't get any relief last night because the change we didn't know how strong the effect of the medic medicine but if I can get that under control then that allows me to focus and that allows me to be more productive during the day um but those meds also extend my life right um in terms of functional life right because I can go and get a port and have them put chemo in me but that's really going to degrade the quality of my life so I said hey if I'm if if you're already saying I'm I'm D4 then you know or or um then why would I want to ruin the quality of my life even more by killing all my fast growing cells I don't want to do that I'll just rather manage the pain and you know live as normal as a life and as happy as a life as I can create for myself and then when it's time it's time you know when it's time it's time I knew something was going on right because I was having all those those issues I didn't know that it was to the extent that it was how did you figure it out well doctor did I went to what stage were you on? Huh?

SPEAKER_05 41:33

What stage?

SPEAKER_02 41:35

What age? What stage stage oh so when they discovered it it was stage three when they took my lymph nodes and like biopsied them from the surgery then they said no you're stage four and so at stage four I said well I'm not gonna do any treatment then right because what I wanted was the best life possible quality versus quantity so people will sacrifice the quality of their life to get an extra six months or a year or two years three years right I was like no I don't think so I think I just want to live my best life now and so that was a year ago almost to the day yeah wait so cancer can take a year oh yeah probably it was probably in there for a lot longer than a year. I mean they they took my whole they took my whole ascending colon out of the how'd you get it it's a good question just living living breathing how do you get cancer food how do you get cancer toxins from the environment toxins from the environment that's what I think your food the air you breathe the water you drink is it because you work in the data centers I don't think so not so much that that would be more that would be a different type people work in data centers tend to have be hard of hearing um wait how it's a pretty it's a how long have you had cancer I've known about it for one year. Wait it's one year exactly almost yeah may 12th May 12th today's 14th two days off yeah just two days two one year and two days that's how long I've known how long have you had in total that I don't know I know I started having You know, I started having issues maybe before I actually went to the doctor, maybe six or seven months before my stomach started grumbling. And then there was this whole procession, but I never went to see a doctor. I didn't, I didn't act soon enough. I should have gone sooner. But I just said, oh, it'll pass, it'll pass. You know.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

Like you thought you just had a cold, or you're hungry?

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Yeah, I just thought, oh, you just have some indigestion. Right? Oh, you ate something that didn't work with you, or oh, you're bloated. And so I would try other natural ways of relieving those symptoms. But I didn't know that the symptoms were being caused by a physical growth in my organ, you know.

SPEAKER_05 44:47

Oh wait, what is cancer?

SPEAKER_02 44:52

It's a it's it's it's a cell that has learned how not to die.

SPEAKER_05 45:02

Don't the white blood cells attack it?

SPEAKER_02 45:05

I don't know. If the white blood cells are attacking it, or if I don't know how that works.

SPEAKER_05 45:12

Because it's a 0.1 chance that any virus will survive a white blood cell attack.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

So that means cancer is not a virus, right? Most likely cancer is parasites.

SPEAKER_05 45:27

Well, it could be a virus because it's still a chance.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

So small.

SPEAKER_05 45:33

It's just a very low chance.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Ivermectinfimbenzidol. There's a lot of those. Um for me, I found the most effective, uh, in fact, I'm probably do you right now, but is a product by Richardson um nutritional company that's called Pro Ancelin. And it's essentially like a sublingual treatment that um has, yeah, there's a guy who's been doing this thing for 50 years, you know, and he uh he's in his 80s, he's still alive, he had the same diagnosis as I had. So I've been I've been using the pro Ancelin from Richardson's. Um try to get to it twice a day, and uh that tends to bring a lot of like relief and and stuff, but it's I don't, you know, is it a silver bullet? I don't know. I just know that I can take that, feel better, and not be drained of energy, right? So I mean it literally is just a supplement, but um it's been very helpful for me personally. This has given me like an opportunity to like make things right or reconnect with people that I hadn't been connecting with for a long period of time, or like you know, you may have left a situation maybe not on the best terms, but you know, it it's it's not like it's not like you're gonna ice that person out or you're gonna go no contact with the person, but sometimes when you when you part ways with people, there's like a a little something there. So I've been able to like clean all those little somethings on mending fences.

SPEAKER_05 47:30

Um why'd you say that there's a physical growth growing in your organs?

SPEAKER_02 47:37

That would be the cancer.

SPEAKER_05 47:38

Wait, the cancer is have is it like a is it like a size?

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Yeah, actually they're very small. Actually, they're they're very small. They're just little cells. But they they've learned how to produce a protein that they can hide behind, and that protein protects them, and then they can multiply behind and keep building that protein and keep growing.

SPEAKER_05 48:05

And do they eat the protein?

SPEAKER_02 48:07

No, they eat sugar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:10

So if you have no sugar, it will die.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Yes. If you have an alkaline system, if you have if you have alkalinity in your system, cancer cannot survive. It it can only eat sugar. It only eats sugar. What if you eat can it can digest sugar 200 times more efficiently than our bodies can? That's why it grows. It just keeps growing and replicating and growing and replicating.

SPEAKER_05 48:37

But what if you eat zero sugar?

SPEAKER_02 48:41

Yeah, then you're gonna starve the cancer.

SPEAKER_05 48:45

What's the opposite of of salt?

SPEAKER_02 48:49

Salt?

SPEAKER_05 48:50

I mean, what's the opposite of sugar?

SPEAKER_02 48:53

Uh I don't know. It's the opposite of sugar?

SPEAKER_04 48:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

Would be no sugar.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

That's I'm assuming that's what chemotherapy does, is it just your body into a big alkaline.

SPEAKER_05 49:10

What's alkaline?

SPEAKER_02 49:12

It's a well you yeah, so so cancer loves acidity. Like if you have a if you have acidic system, cancer just thrives in that. So you want to try to make your body as least acidic as possible. And then that that is going to really help you feel better anyway. Um so yeah, that's that's what I did.

SPEAKER_05 49:37

Wait, can't you starve the sugar?

SPEAKER_02 49:40

Can you starve the sugar?

SPEAKER_05 49:41

Yeah, can't you starve the sugar?

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Yeah, you can just stop eating sugar, sure, and and just purge yourself. I did that for the last pretty much nine months.

SPEAKER_05 49:51

How close is it working?

SPEAKER_02 49:54

It did work until then I got these other growths. So it took care of the growths that I were identified in my first scan. And then I had a second on my second scan, then they found these lesions on my liver and on the tumor, basically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:14

Can't you just have surgery?

SPEAKER_02 50:16

So I did. I did. Um, but they just put they just put a stint in me. Um, but they didn't take out the they didn't take out the why the masses. Cause they just I didn't ask them to, and yeah. They don't know if they don't know if this one's cancerous, to be honest.

SPEAKER_05 50:38

Are they connected to the liver?

SPEAKER_02 50:41

The lesions?

SPEAKER_05 50:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:42

Yeah. Two are in the liver and one is on the pancreas.

SPEAKER_05 50:47

Wait, how do you you cut open your liver?

SPEAKER_02 50:51

No, they didn't they didn't do that. No, I didn't have I didn't have surgery where they wait, are they microscopic? The cells, yeah. Cells are the cells. The lesions too. You need special you need special equipment to identify.

SPEAKER_04 51:05

Are they like that big?

SPEAKER_02 51:06

That'll be a pretty big one. I don't know how big they are.

SPEAKER_05 51:12

Are they like the size of a kidney stone?

SPEAKER_02 51:16

Probably bigger than, yeah, maybe. Cluster of them. A cluster of them.

SPEAKER_05 51:22

So you only have three?

SPEAKER_02 51:25

That's what they tell me.

SPEAKER_05 51:28

How do you how do you know if they're cancer or not?

SPEAKER_02 51:31

That's what I'm gonna find out next week. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:35

So if so if those end up not to be cancer, you don't have cancer?

SPEAKER_02 51:42

That would that would be correct. And I'd have to just get the mass removed, but sometimes they won't remove it if it's gonna damage. Like the one on the pancreas is the problematic one.

SPEAKER_05 51:56

What's a pancreas?

SPEAKER_02 51:57

It's an organ in your system.

SPEAKER_05 52:04

Are they in both through your livers or one liver?

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Two on my liver and just one on my pancreas.

SPEAKER_05 52:13

How many livers do you have two livers?

SPEAKER_02 52:15

You just have one liver.

SPEAKER_05 52:16

Oh. I'm thinking of kidneys.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

Kidneys. You do have two kidneys. It would be nice to have a second liver.

SPEAKER_05 52:26

What? So if so if they mess up, you would have another one?

SPEAKER_02 52:31

Yeah. If you take if you just take for granted the the abilities God gave you, you don't you don't give as much thanks for them, right? You're just using them and living and doing. But with this, I was like, oh, you know, a little a little shocked, but not I didn't think that I was above it, or like it couldn't get me. I just thought it's it seems pretty young for me to. I thought I would be older when that kind of stuff happened. So from that perspective, it was like, ooh, I'm too young. Like I still got I still got a lot of things I want to do. Um, but I'm 53. Um, but I'm like at the same time, it caused me to really take inventory. Like, who am I living for? Right. Um so in that regard, it just it just has just brought done nothing but brought me closer and closer to Jesus. Uh because you know, like he doesn't give us any guarantees. He doesn't say, you know, once you become a Christian, all your worries and heartaches and pains go away. Um but he what he does say is I'll never leave you, right? So uh yeah, I um he actually came into my room, uh woke me up at like three o'clock in the morning or two o'clock. I mean, and I was out too. Um but I still remember, like, you know, he was standing next to my bed. What'd he say? He said, Do you want to come home now? Or do you want to stay a while longer? I thought about it.

SPEAKER_05 54:28

I was like he had to say stay a while longer, or you wouldn't be here.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

But I was like, I think I wanna I think I want to see my grandkids. When was that? Exactly one year ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:47

Wait, he asked you uh one year ago?

SPEAKER_02 54:49

It was it was May 12. Yeah. And that's when uh my granddaughter was supposed to be born two days ago, but she's bacon. All of our firstborns, they all stay an extra couple of days, if not a week.

SPEAKER_05 55:07

Um, but yeah, so that was other Christians stayed. But my sister Sophie kicked out early.

SPEAKER_02 55:14

What?

SPEAKER_05 55:16

And I was upside down.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Uh oh, I know. It's like my middle boy, too. His his his labor was 45 minutes. My wife was like, she's throwing her clothes up, she's like, this one's coming, man. And I looked at the thing, it was like, I'm like, he's like a freight train. Like 45 minutes later, there he was.

SPEAKER_05 55:38

Crazy. It takes almost an hour to give birth.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

It can take it. We have a married, married, a married group, married couples group, and this young gal, I say young, maybe 32, 33, she was over 24 hours in labor. That's that's a long labor.

SPEAKER_05 56:02

That's a that's the longest labor I've ever heard of.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

That's a long labor.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Yeah, I I have a lot of yeah. Well, you know my testimony. I don't know, did you? Did I ever yeah, so uh yeah, so well to get back to that story, just to wrap that, Jesus after I told him I think I'd like to stay longer. He just like smiled and walked away.

SPEAKER_05 56:34

There's why'd you ask? What'd you say?

SPEAKER_02 56:37

There's never goodbye with Jesus, that's the thing. He never says goodbye. Then he just walks on because it's never goodbye. Right? So so yeah, and then here we are a year later.

SPEAKER_05 56:53

And you're still here, still here, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

Um yeah, but uh other than that, like I don't know, my testimony is pretty long, but um when I was in my 30s, like 32 maybe, 332, I I just started my own I started construction business for mission critical construction and repair. And um yeah, I I I had yeah, I had left the company that I was with and I did that for like two years before I went back just to work for the corporations.

SPEAKER_05 57:30

But was it successful?

SPEAKER_02 57:34

I mean, yeah, I was making a living, but there were other parts of my life that weren't as successful, like family life. And so it was it was just too much of a burden. It was easier to go work for a corporation and you know, go clock in, clock out, and then go home, take care of the family. So that's what I chose, yeah. But yeah, so um I started to pray at my desk one, you know. I just had a home office, I just started to pray at my desk, and then all of a sudden, it kind of felt like I was I had drifted off, like I had I had like um it was a transition at some point, and uh, and then like almost instantly I found myself in a different place, literally. And so um where are you well? I was at the time I was trying to figure that out, um, but I figured out right away that I had been spirited uh away to heaven. So I was actually in um I was taken to like a chamber, um, which would be like uh you know how in castles they have like a drawing chamber and this and that's like secrets, it was like a place for that was just specially crafted for me. And at the time I was the only one in there, but I but I wasn't alone.

SPEAKER_05 59:02

So that's yeah, you're the only one in there, but you weren't alone.

SPEAKER_02 59:07

Yeah, because that that that was that was my space, right? It would be like it would be like a a custom bedroom for you, right? Like like someone came and said and read your mind perfectly and created exactly what they knew you would love.

unknown 59:24

Huh.

SPEAKER_02 59:25

And that's what it was like. I would love that, yeah, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Just a bunch of TVs with baseball games on, an orange chicken, probably the Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

I just stayed there for a long time. How long like it was a long time, like I don't I don't know, and because the time doesn't really exist, like it's it's not a factor there. Um, but I did find myself thinking, like we're going to get to east. Like, I don't know what time, I don't know what time it must be back on earth. I do remember thinking, I still I still had a like a recollection of what time on earth was like. Um but I remember I just had to settle down because I was so excited. Um when I realized where I was.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:14

Wait, did people think you're just sleeping?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:19

No one found me. You're where you just I was in my office for hours. The kids, the kids were Heather was running them around with errands or at school or whatever, you know. So yeah, that then uh and then I just remember thinking, oh wow, like when I first saw it though, I was like, who did this? And what I learned is in heaven there's there's no no questions, like there's there's really only answers.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:56

Is it like is it Minecraft, but in real life?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:01

No, it's not like Minecraft.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:03

Creative mode Minecraft?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

Huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:05

Creative mode Minecraft?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

It has nothing to do with Minecraft whatsoever. Sorry to sorry to figure out yeah, no, it's not like Minecraft at all.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:17

No. In Minecraft, you can just build whatever you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

Yeah, you can. Not really.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:32

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:33

It was built for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:36

Well, God can build something that you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:40

Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:41

Yes. That has some connections with my God.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

That's right. So there was a lot of takeaways from my because I, you know, like I met with the Father and Jesus, and the biggest takeaway is how much God loves you. Like I knew he loved me. I believe what the scriptures say about his love. I believe he is love, but when I was with him, you could just take whatever concept you have of God's love for you and just multiply that by like a thousand, and then you're starting to break the surface of how much he actually really loves us. And the other thing, the other big takeaway was um, he only sees you as he ever meant you to be, right? So his original concept of you when he created you, when covered by the blood of Jesus, is all he sees. Like his hundred percent potential for you when he created you is is the only thing that he sees. I mean, at one point I was like, I I don't think I don't think he knows that I've ever done anything wrong. Right? Because in for him, I haven't. That's all covered.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

By what?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:35

By Christ, by Christ and and his sacrifice on the cross.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

Wait, then doesn't God see everything?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:44

Yeah, he he he he willfully forgets your transgressions because what he chooses to see is Jesus and the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross to cover all those transgressions, and what that frees us to is just to to be ourselves.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

That was a really long time ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:03

Yeah, that was a long time ago. So yeah, and so there from that point on, you're only ever gonna be what he fully intended for you to be, right? Like like your full creative expression, right? Um, and there was that, and um he's very relational, he makes adjustments to accommodate for us, right? And he can do this infinitely. It's like um uh he yeah, so so it's like when you're with him, there's not like a need that isn't met. In fact, in fact, like his there the light there in heaven, first of all, there's no shadows because the light comes from all directions at the same time. And uh the light actually nourishes you, like the light is the like nourishing your spirit as as you're relating to the Lord or to the people around you. Um and so yeah, it's like it's it's it's just perfection, right? Like you're not ever gonna feel sad, there's no pain, there's there's only success, right? Like, like when God gives an angel a command, there's no, oh, maybe he'll get it done or maybe he won't. They like if if God gives you like a task or you assigns you a certain mission or thing to do, um it's going to be accomplished because he wouldn't have Signed it otherwise. And so there's no doubt that, hey, I need you to go do this, do that, do that, do that, and and it just all happens. But yeah, there's no, well, what if it doesn't? Um, so everything gets executed perfectly all the time. Uh um, yeah, and he um he does know everything. Mm-hmm. He does, because I had a question for him and I wasn't gonna answer it.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:34

Wait, if you know a math if if you ask him a math problem, will he answer it right away?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:40

Yeah, there's no there's no questions. But he did say, is there anything else?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:45

And and there was something else, but wait, so he's just an immortal calculator, but everything else at once?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:53

Well, you could I guess you could say he's an immortal calculator, but he's much more than that. Yeah, yeah, he's much more than that. I wanted I I asked him, like, I wanted to see his face, right? So I decided that when I got in the when I was in the room, but when I was in my when I was in my meeting, because I left my chamber and there's a long hallway and there's just like doors going all the way down. It's like an administrative area where God rules from, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:21

Um like a condo?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:23

No. No, it's just like a big hallway.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:25

What are all those doors l leading to different people's chambers?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:29

Exactly. Each one is a custom chamber, right? And I found the door to my chamber, actually, and I opened it, and he was like, uh-uh, it's not your time. But but what I saw was there was another like man, right, human. He he was having his meeting with the Lord, and I said, Oh, there's one like me. And I meant like, you know, a human meeting with wait so if you go to heaven, can you come back to earth as the same exact body? So I did. Yeah. My body stayed here. Wait, so you died? Only my spirit went.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:12

Did you die?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

I I don't know if I was dead or not. I just know that I was gone from like 11 to 2 in the afternoon. Three hours. Pretty much uh earth time.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:27

And how long was it on heaven time?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:31

I have no idea. It was a long time as far as I was concerned. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:37

Was it like one hour in heaven?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:40

It seemed longer to me. It seemed longer to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:43

20 hours.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

So did you see his face? So, no. Like, I he didn't tell me no. What he told me was, I'll show you as much as you can bear. And um and so then, like, when you're with him, he elevates you up to where he is. Uh but when I asked that, I I went back down to where you would say the ground is. There's I wouldn't there's a floor, but I'm not quite sure how that works. Wait, so if you're not totally susceptible to it, is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:18

Is he like on is he on the podium?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:20

Yeah, he's on his throne. Yeah. He's on his throne.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:25

Wait, so if you jump off of the throne, how far will you go?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:29

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:30

Could you fly?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

Yeah, spirits, you don't spirits, yeah, they still go where you just go where you will yourself.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:38

Do you still have human hands?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:41

I did. Yeah, I still have my human form. Human form, yeah. Spirit.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:48

Wait, so could you hover?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:52

Wait, so you never actually touched the ground? Do you just hover?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

I touched the ground when I was on the ground when he was gonna show me. Yeah, the so what happened was the hem of his of his robe started to like move. It started to move, and then this like one little wrinkle. I just got this flash of brightness that was so overwhelming and satisfying and exhilarating all at the same time. But just like imagine a creature that's 20 feet tall, and he has a garment that comes down, and that garment just has one little wrinkle, like an inch high, like an inch or too high, like that. And the amount of energy and power and light that came from just that one literally blew me out of the room backwards.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:45

When I saw it, I oh I just went out of it. What happens if you see his whole body?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

I don't think you come back from that. Yeah, I don't think die. If you see God's face and like you're in such an elevated state of, I'm not going to say uh as close to perfection as you can get.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:10

Well, does God have a beard?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:13

So God, in his graciousness, right, in his love for us, he he becomes he becomes that image of what you're going what you're going to relate to and connect to. But God himself is not human form. It's not Michelangelo's David, you know, or whatever. Not David, the other one. What's the the Sistine Chapel?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:41

Huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

No, actually, when I first walked in, I was actually very shocked. There's a picture in the sanctuary at Mountain Bible on the right hand side that was done by that lady. Uh, what's her name? June. June. Um, that is the closest, that is the closest uh picture of God the Father that I have seen in my life. And he she got such an accurate, she calls it spirit. I think the name of it is the Holy Spirit or Spirit or something, and and God is a spirit, he is a spirit, but he also has a form. Wait, so and that orb form is the closest I've if you learn how to paint, I'm talking like 98%.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:33

If you learn how to paint, you can make an identical thing to God because you saw him.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:39

Yeah, that's probably why I am not a good painter. So when you said, What is this? And then I started testing, I'm like, this is not what I expected, and I'm gonna test. I was like, how do I test the spirits here? Because like my we relate to Jesus because he was a human.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:00

Wait, so are there people that are in Jesus' bloodline walking around?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:06

Or what?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:07

Are there people that are in Jesus' bloodline walking around?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:11

Uh descendants of Jesus, um yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:22

Do you know anyone in the bloodline but David?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:26

Probably. Yeah, probably we do.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:31

Wait, Jesus had brothers?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:33

Yeah. He did.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:35

Who?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:36

John and was it Simon Peter? Was it I can't I can't remember? Yeah, my son. He's like, Dad, you gotta meet these guys. I'm like, what? He's like, I went down to Mountain Bible and we went on a walk at the tree farm or something. And he's like, they're the coolest dudes. Preston, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:53

Wait, is he named after Preston Place?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:55

What?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:56

Is he named after a Preston Place?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:00

Preston Place. No, Preston's my son's name. Oh, yeah. So anyway, yeah, so then that's right. And then I started attending there. Um and then uh yeah, so it was when I saw that, like I didn't say anything at first because I didn't like I didn't share my testimony literally for 20 years. I only started sharing my testimony in my late 40s, maybe five years ago, like when COVID started. Um, and a lot of that was just so because I had this experience, and then I came back, and then I had these other experiences, and then so I was like, okay, I need some confirmations, confirmations, confirmations. A lot of it I stuffed away. I didn't tell anyone, not even my wife. I didn't share anything about that experience for like so long, 20 years. I mean, I didn't tell a soul.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:58

Wait, when did you see Jesus?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:01

Like in my 30s.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:03

When did you see Jesus coming into your room?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:08

When I was 52. Yeah. So that then then so that picture is what I saw, right? Like, like he is everything the Bible describes him to be light, energy, spirit, love. But he he has a form that is what June June? June? June. June. That's the closest thing I've ever seen. I only told Kabika that and maybe David. But um, I mean, of course, her her hers hers is a painting, like a rendering, but in his presence, it's perfection. And and when I first walked in, I was like a little bit I was unsure because I was not expecting a father to have that form.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:04

Why was Jesus Jewish? I don't know if it's any other race, but why is he Jewish?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:10

That's a that's a question, that's a different question. But um but like he's it it is perfection, is what I would say, and then things would happen that I wouldn't expect, but then they'd then I'd get confirmation scripturally that oh yeah, no, it does say that right there. And like everything just started lining up. Um and it started with like this guy, Kevin Zadai. I don't know if you know who Kevin Zedai is. He uh had a similar experience, his is much different than mine, right? Because I was just called there to do a thing. Um but uh but God will also change forms for you. So like when his robe, when his robe he he was, he can give himself the white, you know, flowing ancient of days hair. Uh and he can appear he's gonna do it for your sake, not necessarily any other reason, right? So yeah, this is um for any other reason besides you, right? And so um yeah, so so it did it like it, like it. I was like, well, whoa, like like what what is this? Where am I? But Jesus was standing next to him, and so then I knew, okay, but Jesus veiled himself. Jesus Jesus was like, he was behind like a like a misty veil, and I always was like concerned about like, did I do something wrong? Would you like you know that concerned me a little bit? Like I got a little bit nervous. Um but I asked him later on, I'm like, how come how come you veiled yourself when I was and he said, because this was uh he said, This is the father's meeting with you.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:16

What's a veil?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Looks like a covering that comes over your face.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:21

Isn't that the thing that people wear when they get married?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:25

Yeah, similar.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:27

Thank you for joining us today.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:29

Thank you for entertaining me and and uh interviewing me. It was a pleasure. It's nice to meet you too.

unknown 1:18:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:37

I'll go ahead and pray. Let's do it. Pray a sound, Lord. I just thank you for bringing Mike and Cameron over, Lord, today and giving us this opportunity to um share tidbits of of a long story, Lord. And uh we just pray that um Cameron's Spotify podcast will be um really just awesome. And I pray that uh that it will be a great adventure for him to um live and learn how to how to actually do something that's become a critical skill in our culture, Lord. And uh thank you that you're starting him at such a young age. And Lord, we just uh thank you for um all that you do for us each and every day, all the tiny, mini miracles that that we take for granted, Lord, but that you are just quietly orchestrating um around us and for us constantly. And uh Lord, we just uh lift that up to you and we pray in Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:43

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:44

Amen. All right.