When Death Becomes Certain, Life Becomes Rich: Living Intentionally with Stan Gibson

Why do we wait for a diagnosis, a layoff, or a crisis before we decide to actually live?

In this episode, Heather sits down with Stan Gibson — motivational speaker, executive coach, podcaster, and author of Living a Rich and Intentional Life — for a conversation about what it takes to stop running on autopilot and start living with real intention.

Stan spent four decades in corporate America, spent years making hard decisions about other people’s jobs, and when his own number came up he was at his desk the next morning at 8am — because he’d been quietly building his real life on the side for over a decade. His story is a masterclass in preparation meeting purpose.

The story that started it all: a close friend received a cancer diagnosis with a 50/50 shot at five years. Instead of collapsing, that friend resigned his CEO position, took his kids on individual trips, started painting, and said something Stan has never forgotten: when death becomes certain, life becomes rich.

In this conversation, Stan and Heather get into:

•  The neuroscience of exercise — what BDNF actually does to your brain and why you’re never too old to grow

•  Why purpose is the number one predictor of longevity — above diet, above exercise

•  The simple question that reveals whether your priorities match your energy: what are your five most important things, and where are you actually spending your time?

Stan is currently transitioning to Thrive CXO and offers free resources at https://leadwithstan.com/ — including a neuroscience-based guide to sleep, nutrition, exercise and meditation, and a free assessment called From Chaos to Clarity.

You can also find his book here: Li

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome to Everything You Need to Know About the Ascension of Humanity, the podcast where ancient wisdom meets modern science and spiritual evolution gets real. I'm Heather, an energy healer, channel, and spiritual coach with Divine Ascension Company. Each week, we're diving deep into the mysteries of human consciousness, spiritual awakening, and the profound transformation happening within us and around us. But here's the thing: we're not doing this with our heads in the clouds. We're bringing neuroscience, psychology, quantum physics, and cutting-edge research to the table alongside meditation, energy work, and timeless spiritual teachings. Because the truth is, the ascension of humanity isn't a far-off cosmic event. It's happening right now in the choices we make, the awareness we cultivate, and the healing we do within ourselves. Whether you're curious about how mindfulness literally rewires your brain, why shadow work is backed by depth psychology, or what coherence between your heart and mind actually means scientifically you're in the right place. We'll explore practices like breath work, meditation, and emotional alchemy, not as abstract concepts, but as tangible tools grounded in both spiritual wisdom and scientific understanding. And here's where it gets even better. In our bonus episodes, you'll hear from real people sharing real stories. These are the warriors, the healers, the everyday seekers who've walked through their own darkness and found their light. They'll share their breakthroughs, their struggles, and the resources that actually help them along the way. Because personal growth isn't a solo journey, and you deserve to know you're not alone. So whether you're just beginning to question the nature of reality, or you're deep in your spiritual practice, this podcast is your companion on the path. It's time to expand, to awaken, and to rise together. Let's begin. Why do we wait for bad news before we decide to actually live? That's the question at the heart of today's episode. And honestly, it's one I think about a lot in my own work. Because so many of the people who come to me for healing are people who had to hit a wall before they were finally willing to look within. My guest today is Stibson, motivational speaker, executive coach, podcaster, and author of Living a Rich and Intentional Life. Stan spent four decades in corporate America, including years making the hard decisions about other people's jobs. When his own number came up during a mass downsizing, he was at his desk the next morning at 8 a.m. Because he'd been building his real life on the side for over a decade. What I love about this conversation is how Stan brings neuroscience and purpose together in a way that feels accessible for everyone. The science of what exercise does to your brain, the blue zone's research on why purpose is the number one predictor of longevity, all of it points to the same truth that spiritual work has always pointed to. You have to know who you are and why you're here. There's also a story in this episode about a friend of Stan's who received a cancer diagnosis, 50-50 shot at five years. And the thing he said that changed Stan's entire career. I'm not gonna spoil it, but you'll know it when you hear it. This one is for anyone who has been waiting for the right moment to start living fully. You don't have to wait. Let's get into it. Welcome back, everyone, to another episode. Tonight we have Stan Gibson on the show. He's here to give everyone a little bit of his story, and I'm really excited for him to share all of his wonderful things with you guys. Stan, how are you doing today? Heather, I'm doing great. How are you doing today? Oh, I'm doing awesome. Trying to enjoy the sunshine while it lasts, as they say. So why don't you go ahead and and tell everyone about yourself and and get this going?

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Sure, I'd love to, Heather. So anyway, A, thanks for having me on. I'm always just a lot of humility, gratitude. Thanks for uh having me as a guest. As far as my story, I I certainly don't want to take you back too far, but I would say, you know what, I was one of those guys that spent a lot of time in corporate America, spent about four decades, actually. And you know, sometimes things don't always end when you're ready for them, too. And for me, they ended about five years ago. And it was at a time when when you know there's a lot of downsizing and things like that. And uh, well, I was just talking to somebody earlier today about that experience because I said, you know, it was such an amazing day because, you know, you know the changes are gonna happen. And I was with uh Fortune 150 and it was very huge, and they were, you know, basically making changes to about 40,000 people. And hey, you know what? I had made those decisions on other people for years. So you know what? My number came up, and that's okay. Because you know what? I had been working on a plan B for probably 10 to 15 years. And while everybody else was upset, I always say that, you know, that was February 21st, 2021. I was at work the next morning at eight o'clock. I already had, I'd already been doing motivational speaking, you know, for the last eight to nine to ten years. I had already been coaching, doing executive coaching with clients before and after work because it was just a passion of mine. I had already been uh, you know, never let a good pandemic go to waste. You know, I I started writing a book, and people said, you know, you you speak all the time. Where can we get this? Where can we get your book? And I said, I don't have a book. So so again, you know, my mom said, God, I would always love to just have a book I could show my friends. And you know how that goes. Mothers are so proud of you. And so I made a deadline with myself to give her one for Christmas that year. And so I finished it uh about two weeks in advance, and uh, of course, COVID hit. I couldn't go see her, so she had to get it in the mail. But I just had all the elements of my business going. So I was like excited at eight o'clock the next morning when Stan Gibson Speaks was ready to rock and roll, and I didn't have time to have a pity party. So anyway, that's a lot of my uh that's a lot of my story, and I've loved it ever since.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

That's amazing. It's so crazy how the pandemic has changed so much. Just, I mean, between working remotely and giving people the motivation to like leave their their jobs that are not in alignment and to just start doing something that makes them happy. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Oh, absolutely. And you know, with one thing, so when I work with clients, you know, we give we give them assessments in one of the assessments, uh, because I just I'm such a big believer, Heather, you know who you are, know who you're not, and just make sure that you know you've got great self-awareness. And one of the one of the uh assessments is Clifton Strength Finders. And for those of you that don't know, there's 34 strengths. You wake up with five every morning, jump in that swim lane and don't leave it because it's where God kind of you know positioned you. And and and and the thing about that is that you know, with COVID, if you took that assessment before COVID, we asked you to take it again. COVID had that big of a of an adjustment on people to where it really, you know, your your third strength didn't go to your 32nd, but on the other hand, it did kind of rearrange the top 10 and maybe the top 15. So it had a big devastating effect on uh on on everybody.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Yeah. Wow. I I knew it had a big effect, but that's when you put numbers to it like that, it's wow. And what did you find was the most common change in people when they take these tests before and after COVID?

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Oh, that's a great question. You know, I think for a lot of people, they gotta get a perspective on life. You know, it depends on who you are. For example, like I'm a guy that needs a lot of needs a lot of you know human interaction. And when you go through COVID and your interaction is on a screen, you know, it's it's gonna change you. It's it's it's it's it's it's going to definitely have have have an effect on you. And so I think that, you know, it's different for everybody. And you know, some people had harder times adjusting to it, but it just is really kind of person-specific as to how they're wired and how they dealt with the isolation, how they dealt with anxiety. A lot of it, you know, because I I really get into my coaching is a lot around three different areas. It's the neuroscience and all the geeky stuff around around, you know, emotional intelligence and and and everything that involves, you know, the the self-awareness, team awareness. The second leg of the stool is well-being. And again, all of the how the brain works, you know, when we eat, when we exercise, when we meditate, when we so I love that stuff. And then the then the third piece is is around productivity and with digital dimension, all the things that we have distracting us in today, how can you kind of flip that switch and be more productive in a very much of a digital world? So, to answer your question, very different for everybody as to how they changed from COVID, given their emotional intelligence, giving their well-being, and giving their productivity. And I think a lot of people hit a reset button, and it's been kind of exciting to watch.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

I know I definitely talk to my cats a lot more since then.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

And do they talk back?

SPEAKER_01 9:58

They are very chatty, yes. I don't know what they're saying, but they certainly are very chatty. Yeah, it was just me and the cats for two and a half months, and I was not spending much time, you know, talking to people on the screen like once a week, but uh we me and my friends would get together and drink some shots and celebrate whatever. But but yeah, it definitely did do a lot of I don't want to say damage because that's not the right word, but it it did change a lot of things. I know getting back into that social aspect of life after the quarantine was over. I had a hard time just even going to the grocery store and dealing with people. But I it wasn't because of uh dealing with people, it was just because people had changed so much over that time period. It was it was an adjustment just to even be in a social setting with people. But but yeah, it it really did do a number on people, I think. And so let's let's get to your your coaching. What's your favorite part about motivational speaking and about helping people come to these realizations with with their well-being and and the neuroscience, emotional intelligence, all of that's very important stuff.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Well, Heather, it's definitely it's just when you see people go through transformation, you know. I was I was called right before the holidays by uh she has become a client since then, but uh, you know, she she said she needed a career change because she just, you know, things weren't going well and she'd been there for 20 years and you know, just had all this anxiety around her career. And so we started talking a little bit. And, you know, the more we talked, the more I I just started to ask questions. And it became apparent to me it wasn't the career that was giving her a lot of anxiety, it was the fact that she wasn't spending enough time on herself. And it was the fact that when I asked her, I said, you know, what are the five most important things in your life? And you know, everybody can do that. You know, they typically start off with family or faith, or you know, and then they kind of go down the list, and you know, work is always at the end. And then when you say, Well, where are you spending the most energy? And it's almost always inverse. I mean, work is taking up, you know, 80% of their time, you know, kids are like sometimes second, and you know, spouse is fourth, and faith is, you know, the last. And you know, when they start to look at it like that, then they start to realize that they're out of balance. And so when you can start to say, you know what, let's just start with the basics. I always say that you've got to be a little selfish to be a servant leader. And by that I mean you've got to take care of you. If you're not up there, I when I speak a lot, I will put my five up on the stage. And I always, you know, I let them know my little love story. I've been married for 43 years, met my wife in third grade. So, you know, so everybody gets to ooh and ah about that. And then, but I always say, you know what, my faith is is his first and foremost, that that is. And I said, you know, who or what do you think is number two? And you know, people from the audience will say, Well, your wife. And I'll say, Oh no, oh no, she's number three. She's number three, but I'll tell you what, I'm number two. And I'm not being selfish when I say that. I'm saying that because if I don't take care of me, I don't have the energy to give my best to her, to give my best to everybody else, to be a servant leader. And my wife's had uh, I really found this out. I think, you know, it was it made for a great, great, you know, part of my my keynote speech. But then when my wife came down with she was diagnosed with Don Hodgkin's lymphoma cancer about eight years ago, then it became even more, more accentuated that you know what, while it's all about her, I have to wake up a little earlier. I have to take care, I have to create new routines so that I make sure that by you know 6, 30 years, 7, I'm wiring and firing. I mean, I've got the prefrontal cortex, I've got the the the the hippocampus, I got all the things in my brain that are just like, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready to take care of her, I'm ready to take on, you know, a lot of the obligations that I have at work, I'm ready. And so that's what I was teaching this client is you gotta take care of you. We've got to re rethink some things here, or we'll never get to the career aspiration part of it. So, so it's transformation. Watching people take a step back, getting to know who they really are, and getting to incorporate habits and routines and learning how their their body works, learning how their mind works. I just love it. I'd love to see people that are tearful when our uh journey comes to an end.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Yeah, watching people go through those changes is is truly amazing. That's one of the things that I love about my job as well. And seeing their face light up when they realize like different things that they didn't connect before. And I always say, like, you can't pour from an empty cup, but you have to make sure that you're you're taken care of. Or, like you said, you can't, you don't have the energy to to take care of anyone else, especially if you're in a relationship or you have coworkers or you know, kids or whatever. But making sure that you are taken care of is so important. And and being self-aware and watching people discover who they are, it's like when you get out of a relationship. It's so easy to lose yourself in that relationship and forget who you are deep down. So when you when you don't have that anymore, and you get to go out and figure out what makes you know you laugh, what brings you joy, what do you enjoy doing outside of all of these functions that we have, like work and and being a parent or whatever, and just seeing these, the the face light up and just yes, that's one of my favorite parts, too.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

You know, you're so you're so right on that. The uh one story I when I was in the corporate world, you know, I worked for a guy who was really kind of he was a very, very strong leader. He, you know, was very unconventional, he had, you know, very long hair. He was well in his 60s, maybe going to 70, but still had, you know, long, very long hair, a ponytail type guy and and beard, and just kind of this van Gogh type guy. But you know, when he was retiring, I said, What are you gonna do? And he said, You know, I'm gonna take six months to find my soul. I started laughing. I thought I'd never heard it put like that. But yeah, I I I waited for six months and I talked to him. And he said, Yeah, now I'm back to being his name is Bob. He said, Now I'm back to being Bob. I'm back to the guy that I knew years ago. And so, you know, that was, you know, that was something that I was looking forward to doing was yeah, getting out of kind of you know, pleasing others and getting to a point where you can find your soul again. And I think that that's really important. I don't think we have to wait to leave the corporate world. I don't think we have to wait for a time in life to do that. I think we can, I I think if we just get some guidelines and some guardrails, I think we can do that no matter the season of life you're in.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And the I I feel the sooner that you do it, the longer of a journey you have, because we're always changing, we're always adapting, we're always growing. And these lessons that we go through in life, these obstacles and challenges are really when you get to see who you truly are and what you're capable of. And every moment we're changing with the decisions with that we make, the experiences that we have. So even if you start early and figure out who that is, it's always constantly going to be changing and growing with you. And it's just, it's such a fun adventure. It's such a good journey.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Yeah, you know, I've got a client that uh is going through some very hard times right now. And uh unfortunately AI hacked his company, and you know, it's it's just it's having some devastating, uh devastating uh effects for him and his company and what the future holds. And so, you know, right before the holidays, I sent him a uh a coin, and it's a Greek coin. If you follow the Stoics at all, there is a saying that the obstacle is the way. And to your point, Heather, you know, you you'll always have obstacles, always, you know, you know no matter you know your faith that you know in in in the Bible, you know, it it it says not if you have uh you know struggles, it's when and you will then be led to to you know perseverance and and you know into this hope and into this this faith. And so I said in that coin the obstacle is the way because while he's in his mid-40s, I told him his life's only halfway through, possibly. You're gonna have many more obstacles, and they're gonna teach you something at every turn in your life. And if they don't, you haven't made enough left turns in life. So so anyway, it's very true.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Yeah, absolutely. So uh what kind of stages do you speak on when you do your motivational speaking? Tell me a little bit more about that part.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Yeah, so I tell you what, it's where I come alive. I just love doing it. It's something that I've probably been doing, you know, in some way, shape, or form, probably for 20 years. But uh, you know, I get I get requests from all over. It can be, you know, stages of you know, 50 to stages of 500 to 1,000. And I still bring the same energy because it's just kind of how I'm wired. But you know, I I have I'm a storyteller, and I think people love to hear stories. And even though I get into the science and I get into all the stuff, you know, I have I have a couple of stories depending on the audience that I lead with. But uh, you know, one of them has to do with why I even got into this business. And and you know, it's it's uh you know, I I had a my wife and I have a very, very, very close friend, and he and his wife, and it was about uh, I think 12, 13 years ago now. And we saw him and we hadn't seen him in a while, and he was a good friend, but we just hadn't connected. And he came over and you know, he used to we saw him at a dinner, and he came over, and it's just nice to see him, you know, we spent that chit-chat for five minutes and he walked away. And hey, you know, we got to get together, yeah. And then about five minutes later, he comes back over and he says, you know, stay in a chair, and he said, He said, I just feel like I should tell you this. Uh and he said, But uh, I've got cancer. And he said, I've got a 50-50 shot of living for five years. And you know, what do you say when somebody says that? You know, your jaw drops, you, you know, you you feel so awkward. And before I could do anything, and his name's Jerry. And Jerry said, No, no, no, no, no. I I didn't come over to make you feel bad. I want to, well, I wish I didn't have the diagnosis. I will tell you that the last 90 days has been probably some of the best 90 days of my life. And he kind of leaned in and he said, You know, when death becomes certain, life becomes rich. When death becomes certain, life becomes rich. He said, I'm having conversations with my wife that you know we've we've never had before. And he said, You know, my kids, you know, took them on vacation and I spent separate time with each of them saying, What do you want from dad before he ever leaves this world? And and and and he went through and he said, you know, and he's the CEO of a of a of a you know wealth management company. And he went back and he resigned his position and became chairman of the board and put more qualified people into the CEO position so he could spend more time enjoying life. And you know, he when I asked he and his wife, I said, Well, what are you what are you doing with some of this free time? And it's kind of funny because I'll put the pictures up on the stage when I'm speaking. But he said, You know, I always wanted to learn to draw. And he said, you know, I I could draw stick figures, but then all of a sudden I said, Do you have any any pictures? And Heather, I'm telling you what, to me, I'm not a aficionado of paint, but he showed me the pictures, and one of them was of his granddaughter, the other one was of his father, brother, and nephew in front of an American flag. And these were to me were like professional. And and and you know, I just it just became very apparent that when life, you know, when death becomes certain, life becomes rich. He was living a rich life. He was painting with an instructor on Wednesdays, having a glass of wine with three other friends who had similar diagnosis. And you know, fortunately, Was 12, 13 years ago. And I actually just had Jerry on my own podcast, uh, the inspiration podcast with Stan, but I had him on for the 20th episode, and we got to talk about it, and it was such a great conversation, but that's that was such a powerful story. And when you ask me, what do I speak about? Yeah, I love to talk about life, I love to talk about inspiration, and why do we wait to get bad news before we decide to take care of ourselves? So, yeah, we'll talk a lot about, you know, uh, what are the right ways to get, you know, sleep? What are the you know, what are the right ways to take care of yourself? And what does it do to the body? What does it do to the brain, you know, when when when we when we exercise and how does that prepare you for the day and all those kind of things? So I try to make it storytelling, but yet I want people to walk out of there with some really good nuggets. And typically I'll sign books. So I did write a book called Living a Rich and Intentional Life. And you know, so a lot of people have interest in that. I think everybody wants to learn. And again, that title came from that conversation with Jerry and you know, how to how to lead and live a rich and intentional life. That's that's where that came from.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

It's amazing. That's an amazing story too. And it's it's a shame that, like you said, sometimes it takes a diagnosis like that for people to really have these shifts in their perspectives and appreciate life more and and find those rich moments. And it it you don't have to wait for for something like that. Like, why why not start now? Life is truly amazing. There's so many things to see, so many things to experience, so many people to meet. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

No, I couldn't agree with you more, you know, not to geek out here, but you know, again, that's where I go back to, you know, the parts of the brain, you know, the more you sweat, and I'm not talking about having to go out running a marathon. I'm talking about just, you know, getting your heart rate up, you know, five, you know, four to five times a week. The more you do that, you know, our brain is made to grow. I don't care. I mean, even in people in their 70s, 80s, 90s, they think, oh, you know, I I'm on the decline. That's not true. The more we sweat, the more we have a chemical makeup in our mind that can penetrate into below a barrier of kind of a kind of a blood vessel line, and it enters into parts of the brain called the hippocampus. And it, and in, and then all of a sudden, you know, we start to release dopamine, we start to release serotonin, we start to to release uh you know noradrenaline and this thing called brain-derived neurotrophic factor. It's called BDNF. And and and that is what causes neurogenesis. That's what causes our brain to grow. We're never too old to grow, Heather. So that is a big key for me is no, keep active. If you look at are you familiar with uh the blue zone?

SPEAKER_01 24:47

No, and I don't know if my listeners will be either. So why don't you go ahead and explain?

SPEAKER_00 24:52

So, the blue zone, it's a great book by Dan Butner. And I even talk about that sometimes in my my keynote. But Dan Butner, you know, he started doing some research years ago, and he he wanted to find out where in the world do people live past 100 in really good health. And so after his research, he came up with five different areas. He came up with Okinawa in Japan, he came up with two areas, one in Greece and one in Italy. He came up with Loma Linda, California, of all places. And he came up with a fifth in Costa Rica. And when he came up with these five locations, the research was amazing because even though you might eat something different if you're in Okinawa, you're gonna have sushi or you're gonna have something, you know, but they're gonna have sake, which is one good thing. They do like a little bit of alcohol with their meal. But, you know, it isn't the fact that it's different food, it's the fact that they eat sensibly. And, you know, the number one, they had nine things in common. These five places, they had nine things in common. And one, the first one, the first one above all else was purpose. And in Japan, it's called Ikigai, which is a reason to wake up in the morning. In Costa Rica, it's called Plana de Verde, which is the same thing. It's it's it's it's kind of a reason to wake up or having a purpose in life. But these, these it's the same thing. Loma Linda, California. How do you pick that? Well, it's very big in Seventh Adventist Christians. And so they live according to biblical principles. So they live their purpose, but they also eat according to a healthy diet based out of you know biblical principles that they believe in. They believe in community. There's just out of these nine things, this is called the blue zone. And throughout the United States right now, more and more blue zones are popping up all over the United States and throughout the world. And it's because of this work that Dan Butner did. And you can a lot of it is, or uh city councils are adopting blue zone communities. And so they're creating more bike paths, they're creating more walking paths, they're creating different uh variations at grocery stores for people to eat healthier. So they're doing these things to help people live healthier and longer. So that's what the blue zone is. And in and I just find that very interesting that, you know, again, purpose is purpose is that first and foremost.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Yeah, wow, that's awesome. I might have to look into that. And and that sounds very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Wow. And if you like, tell you what, just if you if you if you like to read, that's one thing. If you like to see it on YouTube or subtle documentaries called the Blue Zone. I think that might be on Netflix. You'd have to look up which streaming they're on. But uh Dan Butner's done multiple documentaries on it, and there's a good one. I just can't remember uh which streaming it's on because it's been a while since I've watched it.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Gotcha. Yeah, I'll look into that for sure. Awesome. So why don't you go ahead and share with us any projects that you're working on and let us know about that book title again so we can check that out.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Yeah, sure. Well, I'll tell you what, I'll make it an exciting pitter right now for me. I've always kind of worked on my own, but I'm uh I'm I'm gonna work with uh two really cool guys that they do consulting, but uh yeah, the pieces they do, they they want somebody who's gonna build community, they want somebody who's gonna build masterminds, they want somebody who's going to come in and do a do, you know, that loves to podcast. And so it's called Thrive CXO, but I'm I'm gonna start pivoting with them. I'm really excited about it. But I'll tell you what, if you wanted to get a hold of me and you did, you know, that that's uh I'm making that transition. But I'll tell you what, I still have it's called leadwithstand.com, leadwithstand.com. And what you do if you go there, I'm gonna give you two things. Number one, I'm gonna give you a PDF that's gonna be a great guideline for all of the neuroscience and resources around sleep, around nutrition, around exercise, around meditation. It's very it's only two pages, it's very easy to read, but you're gonna love it. And that's leadwithstand.com. And if you like that, I've got something else called from From Chaos to Clarity. And it's just a quick assessment. As a leader, if you really just want to say, you know what, what part of life is getting me down right now? It doesn't have to just be business, it can be my personal relationships and it can be it can be a lot of things. And so again, I'm all about trend, you know, transformation as you are, but uh just go to leadwithstand.com if you're interested in getting any of this. And uh I'd love to connect with you.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Awesome. Great, and I'll make sure I put that in the description as well so people can find it when they listen. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. It was wonderful to hear your stories and to see that there's good people out there doing really good work.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Well, and you as well. Again, following you in. I loved our conversation we had last month, and sounds like you've done some cool travel, and I'm just excited to hear more about it. So, anyway, I want to thank your listeners and I want to thank you.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Awesome. Thank you so much. Thanks for being here with me today. I want to tell you about something I'm really excited about. I'm leading a pilgrimage to Egypt in September 2026. We'll be visiting some of the most powerful sacred sites on the planet, doing activation work on location, and connecting with the ancient wisdom that's been held in those spaces for thousands of years. If Egypt has been calling you, if you felt that pool and wondered what it means, I'd love for you to seriously consider this. All the details are in the show notes. And if you want to experience a taste of Egypt's energy right now, we have channeled recordings from our September 2025 trip. The Song of Hathor, Messages from the Elders, transmissions from the sacred sites themselves. Those are on our YouTube channel. Link in the show notes. I'll see you in the next episode. Until then, trust what you know.