Running and Returning: Hebrew Mysticism, Conscious Collaboration & Rebuilding Systems with Simon Mont

What if the systems we keep trying to fix are the actual problem? And what does it look like to rebuild them from the ground up while staying rooted in something sacred?

In this episode, Heather sits down with Simon Mont — organizational development consultant, facilitator, and Hebrew mystic — for one of the most layered and fascinating conversations on the show. Simon has spent more than a decade at the intersection of consciousness, collaboration, and systemic change, asking one central question: how do we work together in a way that doesn’t turn us into people we don’t want to be?

From a school teacher to a law student to a community organizer to an organizational architect — Simon kept running into the same pattern. Systems with good intentions creating the same old problems. So he started building something different.

In this conversation, Simon and Heather explore:

•  How to meet people at the exact point of their pain to create lasting organizational change

•  Why solving a Slack coordination problem became the entry point to dismantling a whole leadership hierarchy

•  The relationship between individual inner work and systemic change — and why both directions matter simultaneously

•  The role of psychedelics in expanding consciousness — and why integration is the part nobody talks about

•  The Hebrew mystical concept of running and returning — how we access peak states and then embody their truth in ordinary life

•  Kabbalah, Merkava mysticism, astral travel, ancient entheogens, and how all spiritual traditions are weaving the same tapestry

•  Why the more rooted you are in your own lineage the less threatened you feel by everyone else’s

•  The one question Simon would ask everyone: what are you truly serving?

Simon works at the intersection of elevated consciousness and practical action. Find him at harmonize.work.

This episode is for anyone who has glimpsed through the illusion — and is now trying to figure out what to do about it.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to Everything You Need to Know About the Ascension of Humanity, the podcast where ancient wisdom meets modern science and spiritual evolution gets real. I'm Heather, an energy healer, channel, and spiritual coach with Divine Ascension Company. Each week we're diving deep into the mysteries of human consciousness, spiritual awakening, and the profound transformation happening within us and around us. But here's the thing: we're not doing this with our heads in the clouds. We're bringing neuroscience, psychology, quantum physics, and cutting-edge research to the table alongside meditation, energy work, and timeless spiritual teachings. Because the truth is, the ascension of humanity isn't some far-off cosmic event. It's happening right now in the choices we make, the awareness we cultivate, and the healing we do within ourselves. Whether you're curious about how mindfulness literally rewires your brain, why shadow work is backed by depth psychology, or what coherence between your heart and mind actually means scientifically, you're in the right place. We'll explore practices like breath work, meditation, and emotional alchemy, not as abstract concepts, but as tangible tools grounded in both spiritual wisdom and scientific understanding. And here's where it gets even better. In our bonus episodes, you'll hear from real people sharing real stories. These are the warriors, the healers, the everyday seekers who've walked through their own darkness and found their light. They'll share their breakthroughs, their struggles, and the resources that actually help them along the way. Because personal growth isn't a solo journey, and you deserve to know you're not alone. So whether you're just beginning to question the nature of reality, or you're deep in your spiritual practice, this podcast is your companion on the path. It's time to expand, to awaken, and to rise together.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

Let's begin.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Have you ever had a moment where everything clicked? Where you glimpsed something beyond the surface of reality, something that felt so true, so clear, so completely undeniable, and then had to figure out how to carry that back into your regular life? My guest today is Simon Mont, organizational development consultant, facilitator, and Hebrew mystic, and he's been sitting with that question for over a decade. How do we access the sacred and then actually embody it? How do we build structures and systems that reflect our deepest values instead of eroding them? How do we work together in a way that doesn't turn us into people we don't want to be? What I love about this conversation is how different it is from anything else on this podcast, and how much it still points to the same truth. Simon comes from the Hebrew mystical tradition, and the concept he introduces called running and returning, this idea that we run toward peak states of consciousness and then return to embody their truth in ordinary life is something I recognize immediately from the ascension work that I do. We're all learning how to hold higher frequencies in a physical body. That's the whole game. We also get into Kabbalah, astral travel, psychedelics, and the integration process that nobody talks about, how to dismantle broken systems from the inside out, and the questions Simon would ask everyone. What are you truly serving? This one goes deep. It's for the seekers, the builders, the people who have glimpsed through the illusion and are now figuring out what to do about it.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Alright, guys, welcome back to another episode. Today we have a special guest, Simon. He's here to talk about some things that are close to my heart. He has been through a lot of the same things that I have, trying to find structure and foundation and you know, something that's maybe not corrupt or actually works for the people that it's trying to work for. So how are you doing today, Simon?

SPEAKER_01 4:17

I'm doing pretty well. Awesome. Glad to be chatting with you. How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_00 4:21

I'm good. I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

So why don't you get started and tell us a little bit about yourself and your journey?

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

A journey on which dimensions?

SPEAKER_00 4:37

The the business and the spiritual aspects.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Yeah, I guess I where I'm at on the journey right now is inside of an inquiry of like how do we collaborate and work together to make the world that we know we deserve, a world that really works for all beings, all humans, and all non-human inhabitants of the earth and the earth itself. Just like, how do we work together? I think I arrived at the question when I was in law school. And I, you know, I had gone to law school because I wanted to do anti-mass incarceration, anti-schooler prison pipeline work. And I kind of noticed how the pressures of law school itself, as well as like the different internships and organizations that I worked for, were turning me into a person that I didn't really want to be. And while they created some possibilities for me to make change, they also limited possibilities. And I arrived at law school because before that I was a school teacher, and I had a lot of belief in education and children as a way to start creating the world that we wanted to live in. And I experienced kind of that same pattern in when I was a school teacher. It was like some things were possible, but also the system I was operating in didn't really allow the creativity and the imagination that I thought was necessary to really give the kids what they deserved. And I was also a school teacher through a program called Teach for America, which has beautiful intentions of getting people, you know, good teachers, but also was a part of the same pattern of it was turning me into a person that I didn't really want to be. And it was also contributing to dynamics that I didn't want to contribute to. So this pattern of like showing up, trying to do good, but then being in a system that doesn't really work, and it's turning me into a person that I don't really want to be has been a pattern that I've kind of run a whole bunch of times in my life. And that's what's kind of led me to being obsessed with this question of well, how do we how do we work together in a way that doesn't do that, that allows us to be the people we want to be and create the world that we want to create?

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Which is a seriously important question, especially now with all the changes that are happening and the systems that are being deconstructed, and you know, something has to take its place. So what does that look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 7:15

I'm not sure exactly what it looks like. I think it it looks different in different circumstances. And a lot of the process to getting there that I've chosen to follow and to invite people into is just a real deep inquiry into how do we do it together. Because I think that a lot of what happens when we try to work together is we run, we run these little programs in our heads that we think are the right way because it's something that we learn from somewhere somewhere else. But if we're actually confronting the full scope of what's falling apart and the full depth of reimagination that's required, we have to question a lot of those, a lot of those scripts that we run and really dive into the process of like learning how to govern ourselves, how to govern ourselves on every scale, from the individual to the relational to the organizational to the systemic to the state to the collective. Like, how do we actually do this in a way that works? So I'm I I enjoy just being deep in the inquiry and inviting people into it. And I think that the one thing that feels clear to me about how we do it is that it has to be in a deeper relationship with presence and a deeper relationship with the earth.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

I agree 100%. So what do you do to try to get people to follow this line of thought? So say let me give you an example. So say you you come across someone that you want to collaborate with or work with or help with this whole process of making the world a better place, and they have these limiting beliefs, or they have these scripts that they've learned in these previous setups, these previous structures that are barriers that you need to break through. How do you get them to start thinking about how they should go about doing that?

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Yeah, I think that there's a simple answer and a kind of a more sophisticated answer. The simple answer is conflict. I think that conflict in our lives is the way the world tells us that the way we're operating is no longer a match for what is required of the moment. And it could be an internal conflict, a conflict between two people, a conflict in an organization. So I think that meeting people at the site of conflict is a really powerful, powerful moment because when we're in conflict, we're more open to the possibility of finding finding something new. And I think on a on a more technical level, like as an organizational development consultant and a coach and all these things, I think that part of the puzzle is beginning with the way that someone understands their own problem and helping them solve that problem in a way that gives them a new perspective on what's happening and new possibilities. So I'll give you like an example from a project that I worked on one time. A group came to me and they said that they they really wanted to weave their equity values more into their leadership structure. And the first solution that they had was, you know, we just want more black and brown people in our executive positions. I was like, okay, cool. So you have a problem that you want you think you understand, which is you want kind of more representation and more equity in your leadership. Great. And then you have a solution that you think you have, you know, just get different people in those roles, but leave the whole structure of the roles unchanged. And I thought to myself, like, well, that actually isn't going to get your deepest values into your organization. Because it's not just about having black and brown bodies in these roles. It's actually about relating to power and inclusivity and decision making differently throughout your entire organization. So I saw this and I was like, oh, you are understanding your puzzle at a level of sophistication that's like one beneath what the puzzle really is. So I started talking to them about that. And a couple of people understood, and a couple of people were hesitant. And more importantly, the whole organization, you know, 100% organization, was not operating with that same concern. Not everybody agreed that there was an equity issue, not everybody agreed there was a representation issue, not everybody agreed that there was a power issue. But the leadership, we all agree, like, okay, something big has to shift here. So when talking to the whole organization, I identified a problem that actually all of them agreed on. And the problem that they all agreed on was that their Slack messaging was all was overwhelming and uncoordinated and led to a lot of waste of time and stress. This was a problem they all understood. But I saw that actually the problem of Slack and coordination was connected to the problem of organizational structure and leadership. And that was connected to the problem of power, and that was connected to the problem of decision making and leadership and the overall purpose of the organization. So instead of coming into this group of 20 of uh, you know, 100 and 200 people and trying to explain all of this, I said, look, we're gonna we're gonna resolve the issue about Slack. And we resolved the issue about Slack, but the entire way, entire time we were resolving that issue, I was teaching them about how that connect was connected to these other dimensions. So by beginning at the point where they of pain that they understood and helping them see how that pain was connected to other things, then they started becoming more able to see those interconnections and more willing to make those changes. And by the time the project was over, we had completely reimagined this entire leadership structure and kind of deconstructed the hierarchy that it was built on before and created a more flexible and innovative structure that matched their values.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Awesome. That's a really good way to do it. And it's it's funny, not funny, ha ha, but it's interesting how when you look at a problem, especially in a business or an organization or any kind of social structure, and you you look at it from okay, well, how does this affect us on an individual level? How does that affect us on the next level up? How does it, and it's the micro versus macro kind of perspective. And it's like, okay, well, if we can find that that thread that connects all of it and kind of look at it from a different perspective, so many things, I don't think people people realize how many things you can actually change and improve upon just from that one single thread of thought, because it affect it really does affect all levels, and there's usually an underlying issue that is the reason why it's not working out to begin with.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Yeah, totally. And like, how do you identify that that thread and then make a change at whatever level you have access to, right? Can you make a change inside your own self, inside relationships? Can you make a change in a small community or an organization? Can you make a change in a big system? Like figuring out where you can make the change and then figuring out how to not just leave it up to the butterfly effect, right? How to actually follow that thing through and get it to cascade through all the levels is a big, the big puzzle, I think we all have.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

And how do you find that, you know, working with organizations? Because you know, when it's it's one person, it's it's easy. When it's two people, it gets a little bit more challenging. But when you have 100 to 200 people that all have to agree on something, I mean that that poses its own challenges on its own. So how do you find that uh the way you approach things gets all the people on board? Like do you have a specific method or just a way of of explaining things? Like, how do you try to convince everyone or get everyone to see where you're coming from?

SPEAKER_01 16:10

I don't you know, if I am honest and I don't code switch at all, you know, my my center of gravity is in kind of mystical practice. But if I walk into an organization, a mystical practice that's like rooted deep in my ancestral lineage. But if I walk into a a group of people and they have gathered themselves there to do something like you know, provide better health care services to their community, they haven't brought me in there because they're interested in my mystical practice or my thoughts about consciousness. That's not it. They've brought me in there because they are interested in providing better health services. And my first responsibility is to help them provide better health services. Now I'm operating from a framework where I think that they they will be able to provide better health services if they have a more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of how power works or they're a little bit more mindful about things. So I'm coming in not kind of with my agenda, I'm coming in to try to help them solve their problem in a way that helps them see and understand their problem differently, in a way that will ultimately help them even solve their problem better. So that's one answer. And I think the other thing that is very interesting is that when we work with like individuals, we often work inside a frame that's like, you know, you change starts from within. If I change my own personal orientation to the world, then that will change how I am in relationship, and that will change the world we create together. So the first thing I have to do is start with myself. And I think that's very powerful, and it's something that I personally try my best to adopt in my own life. And there's another direction of change that also occurs, which is the opposite direction. Right? The workplaces that we are in, like the organizations that we're a part of, those shape our relationships. And that shapes how we feel like we are. Right. There's a lot of people who exist in the world and their identity is wrapped up in being a manager or being a leader or being a certain kind of professional. Well, all those are things that were created by the organizational structure that they live in that then shape their identity, shape how they believe they ought to be. So one thing that we can do is we can actually go to the level of the organization and start changing how things are architected there. And that brings people into new possibilities and that brings people into new relationships and actually starts kind of having the change pass the other way. And then the ideal is right, you change the organization, it makes someone see something differently, it makes someone understand something differently, access a different part of themselves, and then they respond by then bringing that back out into the world so that there becomes kind of a back and forth between the inside and outside of the self.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

So let's talk about your your specific personal journey. How did you go from being a school teacher and going to law school and finding these inadequate you know social constructs to where you're at now?

SPEAKER_01 20:03

You know, I when I was in law school, I was in the uh San Francisco Bay area, and I skipped the first week of law school, a few years actually. I skipped it to go to Burning Man. And then I was on all my you know psychedelics and all these experiences in Burning Man having that trippy moment where you're looking at the world, being like, oh my gosh, like we're creating everything from our own actions and our own minds. We're just imagining things and birthing it. And we're so empowered as humans to do that, but we're also making a mess, right? See that consciousness, that kind of like psychedelic consciousness. And then came straight back into law school, where honestly, like before the psychedelics were out of my system. So, like seeing the legal system from the same eyes, same psychedelic eyes that I was seeing Burning Man, and then walking out of the door of the law school and walking into the streets of Oakland, where I saw a whole bunch of community organizing happening. And that was when Black Lives Matter was becoming the moniker of the kind of Black Liberty. And I was metabolizing all of this all at the same time. So I think that I'm still trying to like that was this big moment of like I'm trying to synthesize and understand how all these worlds work together and how that creates a creative possibility for all of us. And I, you know, started doing community organizing and facilitating things. I got an internship where I was working on organizational governance with this place called the Sustainable Economies Law Center. And we were trying to do innovative nonprofit governance and collaboration. You can't do that for very long before you realize okay, it's not just governance, it's also about the operational structure. It's also about people, it's also about trauma, it's also about personalities and context. Conflict. It's about everything that is involved in being a human all at the same time. And once I saw that, I was like, okay, this is gonna be, this is gonna be the puzzle that I devote myself to. And I've devoted myself to it for, you know, a little more than a decade at this point.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

So how did I mean I I feel like because I I love my psych psychedelics too, and I've had plenty of those, you know, aha clarity moments. But I feel like one thing that the psychedelics do is bring things to the surface that are already there. So if you didn't have those psychedelic factors involved, do you think you would have reached the same conclusion? And if so, how would it have been similar or different?

SPEAKER_01 22:53

If I hadn't had psychedelics, would I have reached similar conclusions and how would it have been similar and different? I don't think, yeah, I have no real way of knowing. I think that my general orientation to the world before psychedelics was not that different, right? It was like, okay, we are creating the world and we have options in how we create it. And that is connected to a deep sacred process. And if we can summon the courage and the clarity, we can direct it toward justice. Like I think that has always been in me from this lifetime and lifetimes before I've kind of learned that from my my lineage. I think that the psychedelics created particular lived experiences of the flexibility of consciousness and insight. And I've also had similar insights through non-psychedelic practices, both intentionally and unintentionally. So I'm not really sure how it all how it all works.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

I guess my point is that you had similar thoughts before the psychedelics. They just kind of put the right conditions in place for it to come full circle for you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yeah, that's an interesting thing. There's like different ways that we all talk about it. There's definitely like yeah. I think it it brought things into focus that were already there. And there were some experiences where I had very where I can't imagine having that same experience without the different chemistry occurring in my brain, right? Even just the realization of like, oh my gosh, the chemistry in my brain is radically changing my perception of reality. Just even that realization is and that was a big one. But yeah, I don't know how it all works. What do you think about it? You think it's kind of like a they're not bringing it doesn't bring new new insight. It's more like crystallizing and clarifying things that were already in existence in your in the in your own consciousness.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

I think it depends, but I it also depends like with psychedelics, it depends on which one you're taking, your people places and things to cheer around. All of those things kind of play a factor in your mindset. So like there's people who go on like ayahuasca trips, people who do mushrooms, people who do LSD, ketamine therapy, things like that. I think that initially, especially when you're using it for like healing trauma or finding that clarity, it's it brings things up that are the seeds have already been planted in your mind, but it creates this expansion of your consciousness to where you're able to understand and comprehend things on a very multidimensional level than you could without them. And I think some people use it as an excuse, not an excuse, that's probably poor wording, but some people use it to bring these things to the surface, their traumas, their wounds, but they don't do the inner work afterwards. They don't do the integration process, which is so important. So you're bringing these things up that need to come up. You're you're opening the doorway for that to happen, but you also have to do the integration part afterwards, which people don't talk about, people don't think about. They're like, oh, I had this aha moment. Okay, well, sometimes those aha moments are pretty profound. And then you go, like you said, you go back to law school and you're like, oh my God, like what am I doing with my life? Like, why am I here? What is going on? Like I have all these new understandings and and appreciations about consciousness, about the world, about what's happening. Like, how can I be expected to sit through law like classes in law school while I'm sitting here thinking about the meaning of life? You know what I mean? So I think it depends. But I think ultimately it starts with that expansion of consciousness that allows you to be able to comprehend things that you you've already been thinking about, just in a very different way.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yeah, yeah. I've definitely had experiences like that that are a match for that. And the the puzzle of integration is always the real puzzle.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Yeah. And it's hard when you're doing it on your own, like without any guidance, because it can be it can be intense.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Or with guidance. I feel like a lot of us, like even on a like large side of level, I think there's a lot of people that have had glimpses into glimpses through illusions, big collective illusions. Some of that has come with psychedelics or politics or just you know, evolutions of consciousness or different eras, however you want to think about it. There's a lot of people who have like glimpsed through illusion and now are trying to figure out like, okay, well, what do we actually do about that? And that integration process we're in that collectively. I mean, I come from you know the tradition of Hebrew mystics where like that's that's what the entire tradition is. The entire tradition is built off this idea that like we glimpsed it, we glimpsed kind of that sac depth of sacredness beyond all illusion, non-dual reality that's based in love and and like longs for justice. And now the whole thing is a question of all right, what do we do about it? That's just an assumption. It's like, okay, we've had that. Now what do we do? How do we integrate that? And I think it's really interesting to see the different patterns that different groups and cultures and subcultures go through as they try to try to integrate that glimpse.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

So I'm glad you brought that up. I was gonna ask you about because you kept mentioning your lineage. So the the Hebrew mysticism, I don't, I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about it. Can you kind of break that down for me a little bit?

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Oh, big question.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

Yeah. Break down what are their beliefs?

SPEAKER_00 29:41

What do they like their practices? How has it helped you with your journey?

SPEAKER_01 29:53

I'm just taking a moment to take your time.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Connect with something that's real.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

So like have you had a moment where everything like clicked? Everything seemed like perfect and is divinely orchestrated. You're like experiencing wisdom and love and and beauty, and even the things that were hard in your life somehow made sense because they had gotten you to that that moment, and you're like, Oh, okay, I see. Have you had a moment like that?

SPEAKER_00 30:51

Oh, yeah, plenty.

unknown 30:53

Cool.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

So that we have that shared experience, and we can call that experience Sinai, is how the like Hebrew and Jewish mystics would refer to it. And Sinai isn't like a mountain, that's that experience. So now we're faced with a couple questions once we've had that experience. The first thing that we notice is as beautiful as this experience is in the state of consciousness, is there is no way that we are going to maintain this and operate from it constantly. The vast majority, maybe, maybe a few people are, but the vast majority of us are just not going to be at that consciousness. So, what we need, given that, is a system of embodiment and guidance that will help us embody the truth of that state, even while we are not in that state. That's one of the puzzles that we have. And you can put that as, you know, different rituals or legal codes or practices that will help us embody it. That's one puzzle that we have. Then the other puzzle that we have is what are the technologies we use to reach that state again? How do we go there? Um, because we need to continue dipping into that experience. Okay. And then the, you know, this tradition we'll call this running and returning, Ratsuva Shuv. So there's we run toward that experience, then we return back to this experience, then we run away from that experience and we return back toward it. So we're kind of constantly going back and forth and figuring out how we access it and then how we embody it. And then built around that basic observation. And that's that was a that that whole like framework is very much comes from this guy, Abraham, Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel. Built around that is a bunch of experiments in achieving that ex that experience and then embodying that experience. And then we can see kind of through the history, like through Jewish history, beginning at before the Torah was created into now, as a bunch of exper uh experiments and successes and failures and warpings of this attempt to do that. And I can go into kind of some of the more specific and technical things, but that's kind of the basic, I think the basic thing that I would hang my practice on is running and returning.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

So, what kind of techniques or technologies do they use to kind of reach that state again?

SPEAKER_02 33:41

So prayer is an important one.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

And there's different forms of prayer. But prayer has a different quality to it than meditation because prayer involves an other. There's an awareness of an other that we are in relationship to, where often meditation is a bit more. My experience of the meditation that I've been trained in, which is a little bit more Buddha-centered, so I'm far from an expert in it, is a bit more about dissolving the experience of self and other and into raw awareness. But prayer very much involves a revelational quality. So that's that's one thing that that I practice. Then there's different technologies. There's a school of Merkava Hechalot mysticism that really is about you can kind of call it a astral projection almost, like traveling through traveling through divine and and angelic realms and understanding how to navigate those realms. There's a practice of that. There's another is a practice that came out of the out of Spain in the like 13th to 15th centuries, a rock revolving around a guy named Abraham Abou Lafia that was about like combinations of letters and deep intimacy with the structure of letters and the pronunciation of letters as a way to call in deep presence and then understanding letters as kind of like the architecture of creation. There's the uh practice of sphirot, which is what is commonly associated with Kabbalah, which understands there to be different, kind of different primal energies that are all emerging from the godhead that we can relate to and work with. So there's a number of different like practices that people use. And then there's also kind of more and more today, there's a a re-establishment of relationship with a yeah, a particular entheogen lineage of Syrian rue and acacia wood, which has a similar uh similar uh chemistry as ayahuasca, and that was used in the ancient Middle East. Many people believe is like very connected to the emergence of of this of this tradition. So those are some of them, but it's yes, it's a vast, vast terrain, and people relate to it very, very differently.

SPEAKER_00 36:35

It's it's interesting. So I did, I recently did my astro cartography cart chart, and a lot of the places in the Middle East, Jerusalem, all of those like prominent historical places are all really high on my chart. So I don't know much about those areas or you know what they practice now. And so it's very interesting to hear the different spiritual mythology myth myth, oh my gosh, I can't even talk methods and practices. It's really interesting. And I've noticed, like even just in the past, studying different religions and spiritual concepts and Buddhism, stuff like that, that a lot of them have very similar ideas. They're just expressing them in different ways. Like prayer and meditation are similar, or can be similar. The relationship with the letters and mantras are very similar. So it's it's interesting to see how all of it kind of intertwines for me.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Yeah. Yeah, it's really yeah, it's really interesting. And and there's this like to me, there's a sense that we all all of these different threads all very much need one another in order to weave a tapestry. Because even though there's similar similarities, there's also really important differences that allow them to make special contributions.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Absolutely. I agree. And and that uniqueness, that diversity, even though everything is kind of centralized around love and you know this connection with the divine, they each have their own unique differences that like you said, they they paint a bigger picture together, which is just it's beautiful. And I I look forward to the day when people from different spiritual or religious backgrounds can actually sit down together and be like, hey, let's do this together. Just kind of like what you're doing, right? Like, how do we do how do we build this together without losing ourselves and our beliefs, but also working together to kind of prosper and to move forward and and to make something even more beautiful?

SPEAKER_01 39:02

Yeah. Yeah, and I I I noticed that I think that the people who are the more rooted one is in one's in the like the that loving truth of one's lineage, the easier it becomes to connect with another, and the less one is feels threatened and feels the need to impose.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

And I think that like the sense of needing to impose and control and dictate and and be right and all of that to me is all an indication that there's an absence of that, of that rootedness.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Yeah. Yep. I agree. Awesome. So do you want to kind of let people know how to get a hold of you if they want to work with you, if they're interested in doing some organizational restructuring, or just want to learn more about Hebrew mysticism?

SPEAKER_01 40:12

Yeah, so you can find me at harmonize.org is the website. And I think the real if someone's listening to this, the the reason that you would want to connect with me would be that you're interested in the like spaces of awareness and consciousness and tradition and these questions that we've been talking about, and then are faced with like a really practical puzzle, which is like you have a project and you want to get people to coordinate together and you want to figure out how you actually accomplish something in the world of physicality and the world of our shared reality, like how do we actually do it, and how do you do it while maintaining as much of that that elevated consciousness as you can? That's that's the puzzle that I'm that I live into every day.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

All right, so if you have one piece of advice that you could share with everybody, what would it be?

SPEAKER_01 41:32

Ask yourself what you're truly serving, and ask yourself what you're actually the most concerned with in your life, the thing that you're really using to make decisions. Like even in this moment, if you're listening, you you there's something that you're doing inside yourself that's deciding whether or not you're gonna take my advice or whether or not I'm credible. And that is connected to your deep sense of your compass of like what you're really doing here. And I would just invite people to be as aware of that as they can and be on a journey of continuously questioning it and continuously sacrificing small idols, small things, and small parts of themselves, and small small values to find something deeper and deeper. And it's a pretty fun trip.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

I agree. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on the show today. It was a pleasure to speak with you.

SPEAKER_01 42:48

Yeah, thanks so much, Heather.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

Thanks so much for being here today. If what we talked about in this episode is bringing up that question, but what am I actually here for? I want to tell you about something specific. I offer Akashic Records sessions. The Akashic Records are the energetic field that holds your soul's complete blueprint, your mission, your gifts, your past life patterns, what's blocking you right now, and what your next steps actually are. Not vague spiritual encouragement, but specific guidance that comes directly from your own records. A session is 60 minutes via Zoom. You receive a full recording, and most people describe it as finally hearing something they already knew but couldn't find words for. The link to book is in the show notes. I'd love to read yours. I'll see you in the next episode. And until then, trust what you know.