Laughing Through the Dark: Second Chance Comedy, Addiction Recovery & Dismantling Stigma One Show at a Time | Joe Huisman

What if the most powerful tool for dismantling shame around addiction and mental health wasn’t a lecture, a 12-step meeting, or a therapy session — but a really good stand-up comedy show?

In this episode, Heather Zimmerman sits down with Joe Huisman — founder of Second Chance Comedy — for a genuine, funny, and unexpectedly moving conversation about recovery, spiritual awakening, the healing power of laughter, and what it means to belong.

Joe shares:

•       His history with major drug addiction and the rock-bottom moment — a walk home in the rain, a weekend in jail, and screaming at God to take him off the planet — that became the turning point

•       25 years of sobriety and the spiritual journey that followed, including a deep dive into Christianity as a stepping stone to where he is today

•       How a bucket-list stand-up comedy class became Second Chance Comedy — 60+ shows across Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, and South Dakota

•       Why he committed to getting on stage 100 times before allowing himself to quit — and what changed when he did

•       The mechanics of stand-up comedy and why the best material requires emotional distance: close enough to connect with, far enough to laugh about

•       Why Second Chance Comedy is a real comedy show first — not a speaker series, not a lecture — that happens to chip away at stigma in the process

•       The woman at a Colorado Springs show who said “I feel like I belong” — and why those four words captured the whole mission

•       20% of show profits going to Sobriety House, an organization serving people who can’t afford recovery help

•       Why he believes some of the most beautiful souls who ever came to this earth are the ones who went down the darkest roads

•       His vision for expanding nationally — and the Washington State connection that might be coming

This is not a typical episode for this show — and that’s the point. Healing takes many forms. Sometimes it sounds like a channeled transmission. Sometimes it sounds like a punchline.

 Joe Huisman, founder and creator of Second Chance Comedy, is living proof that you can turn your life around—and make people laugh while doing it. A customer support executive by day, Joe started doing standup comedy in 2023. Years ago, Joe battled a crack addiction, and now he uses those past struggles as comedic fuel, transforming tough experiences into hilarious anecdotes. His comedy not only brings laughter but also gives back to the community, with a portion of proceeds supporting Sobriety House.

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SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome to Everything You Need to Know About the Ascension of Humanity, the podcast where ancient wisdom meets modern science and spiritual evolution gets real. I'm Heather, an energy healer, channel, and spiritual coach with Divine Ascension Company. Each week, we're diving deep into the mysteries of human consciousness, spiritual awakening, and the profound transformation happening within us and around us. But here's the thing: we're not doing this with our heads in the clouds. We're bringing neuroscience, psychology, quantum physics, and cutting-edge research to the table alongside meditation, energy work, and timeless spiritual teachings. Because the truth is, the ascension of humanity isn't some far-off cosmic event. It's happening right now in the choices we make, the awareness we cultivate, and the healing we do within ourselves. Whether you're curious about how mindfulness literally rewires your brain, why shadow work is backed by depth psychology, or what coherence between your heart and mind actually means scientifically, you're in the right place. We'll explore practices like breastwork, meditation, and devotional alchemy, not as abstract concepts, but as tangible tools grounded in both spiritual wisdom and scientific understanding. And here's where it gets even better. In our bonus episodes, you'll hear from real people sharing real stories. These are the warriors, the healers, the everyday seekers who've walked through their own darkness and found their light. They'll share their breakthroughs, their struggles, and the resources that actually help them along the way. Because personal growth isn't a solo journey, and you deserve to know you're not alone. So whether you're just beginning to question the nature of reality, or you're deep in your spiritual practice, this podcast is your companion on the path. It's time to expand, to awaken, and to rise together.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Let's begin. Today's episode is a little different from our usual conversations, and I think that's exactly why you need to hear it. Joe is the founder of Second Chance Comedy, a touring stand-up comedy show built around addiction, recovery, and mental health. Not a speaker series, not a 12-step meeting, an actual comedy show, with the explicit goal of chipping away at the stigma around some of life's darkest topics by finding the humor in them together. He has been in recovery for twenty-five years. His path there ran through a third DWI, a failed urine test, a weekend in jail, and a walk home in the pouring rain, screaming at God to take him off the planet. Something shifted that weekend. And two and a half decades later, he's produced over sixty shows across Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, and South Dakota, with 20% of profits going to Sobriety House, an organization serving people who can't afford recovery on their own. In this episode, Joe and I talk about the spiritual journey that started in recovery, why he believes Christianity was a stepping stone rather than a destination, what it felt like to stand on stage for the first time absolutely terrified, and why he committed to doing it a hundred times before he'd allow himself to quit. We talk about why the best comedy requires emotional distance, what the woman at the Colorado Springs show said that made him realize exactly why this work matters, and why he believes some of the most beautiful souls who've ever come to this earth are the ones who went down the darkest roads. This one is going to make you think. And it might even make you laugh. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Hey guys, welcome back to another episode. Today we have a very special guest. His name is Joe. He is the founder and creator of Second Chance Comedy. This is slightly different than what we normally do on the show, but I really wanted to talk to him because he produces stand-up comedy shows that are themed around things that are very close to my heart, including addiction and mental health, and helping to kind of chip away at the stigma that surrounds these topics. So I'm really excited to have you on here and to share your story. How are you doing today, Joe?

SPEAKER_02 4:21

I'm doing well. Thanks. How are you, Heather?

SPEAKER_01 4:23

I'm doing amazing. So why don't you kind of get started and tell us a little bit more about yourself and what you do?

SPEAKER_02 4:30

Yeah, so I can share just a brief overview of my journey. So I actually am in my 50s and I've gone through a lot of challenging parts of my life, I guess to put it mildly. And several years ago, about four or five years ago, I went through a really challenging time that kind of changed how I perceived life and kind of sent me down this, I guess, spiritual journey where I started to really dig in and try to understand myself and my purpose and things like that. And along this journey, I discovered stand-up comedy. And what started out to be just this kind of bucket list item where I thought I would take this class and just try it out just to see how it goes ended up just evolving quickly into what I'm doing today with comedy. And so uh what happened after that class is I started going to open mics and I found it extremely therapeutic to, you know, public speaking is something I was always deathly afraid of. And I found it just really empowering to stand on stage in front of a bunch of people hoping they laugh, knowing they won't, you know, and and struggling through that. And I just I remembered the more I did this, the more I found myself leaving these open mic situations, kind of chuckling to myself, because I I it it it just felt so empowering, I guess, to let go of worry about what people think of me. And then through that journey, I started talking about so about 25 years ago is when I quit doing drugs. Prior to that, I had a very major drug addiction. And I started doing jokes about my past drug addiction. And as I was getting booked on shows and doing more mics, more and more people started coming up to me afterwards and telling me their story with addiction and recovery and sharing a little bit about their journey with that. And after that happened so many times, I kind of had this light bulb moment where I thought to myself, well, maybe there's something we can do here. You know, if I can stand on stage and share a story that maybe somebody in the audience is has a relatable experience that they hold shame around. And if I can find a way for us to laugh about that together, that maybe it could relieve some of that shame that people hold on to. And that was kind of the idea that that sparked this whole second chance comedy. And so I talked to a couple other comedians that I knew that were in recovery and they were excited about it. And that's what kind of launched this second chance comedy. And yeah, we've done, I think, 62 shows since we started in 2024, and and we've got a lot more booked already. But yeah, it just kind of became this idea that if we can if we can talk about these tough things, but but shed, I guess, shine light on the dark topics would be a good way to put it. Then maybe we can we can collectively let go of some of the shame and regret and sadness around some of these things and and find ways to to laugh at the tougher areas of life.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's amazing because you know, I've I've been through my own period of addiction and recovery. And it's and even if it's not addiction and recovery, if it's any of those, you know, really dark topics that people don't like to talk about or to let even other people in about that part of their life. And if anyone knows me that's listening, like I use humor to lighten the mood all the time because sometimes, especially as a spiritual coach and and a healer, you talk about some heavy stuff. So it's nice to lighten the mood and to tell these stories that people, so many people can find relatable that they're just afraid to talk to or talk about. So find providing that safe space to allow people to like, like you said, lighten the mood and lighten the load a little bit is is truly amazing.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Yeah, there's a there's a quote that really stood out to me a few years ago. And I I don't know why, I can never remember who said this, but the quote is if we all got together in a circle and confessed our sins with each other, we would laugh at the lack of originality. And and that's really powerful because if you think about it, you know, a lot of these things that we hold on to shame, these thoughts that we keep inside ourselves that we're afraid to share with other people. It's like in reality, a lot of people are thinking the same things. But if if we can just have that courage to be like, you know, share that with somebody else, we might realize that we have more in common with each other than we we might think at times. And and I think that connection that we can build around these common areas, I think, can be really powerful and in dealing with things like loneliness and and you know, like I said, shame and and just a lot of those things that we just let beat us up inside, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

So yeah, absolutely. I think that's truly amazing, and I love that quote. That's awesome. So when you decide you mentioned your spiritual journey, and I I'm curious, like what and you don't have to share this if you don't want to, but when you were in your the throes of addiction and you decided, you know, okay, this is this is it for me, like I can't do this anymore. It's time to change. Like, what was the catalyst for that? What was that experience like?

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah, that's that's really an interesting story. And it was, I was about 30 years old, and I had just I had gotten my third DWI and I was had to go through this mandated drug rehabilitation program. And then after that, I had to do this this probation program through the county. And when I went for the orientation for the probation program, I wasn't aware that they were gonna give me a urine analysis in that meeting, and I wasn't prepared for that because I was still very active in my addiction. So I failed that urine analysis, and then my probation officer called me up the next day, and she's like, Yeah, we have a problem. And of course, my reaction, like any other good addict, is denial. You know, I was like, that can't be. There's something wrong with the test, you know, you're wrong, and you know, and I I I laid all that on her. And and I always picture her like sitting with her feet up on the desk, kind of maybe like playing with something in her hand, just letting me vent before she's like, you know, Joe, like the test. You you tested positive, and this then this is the consequence. But anyway, I I I had to go to jail for a weekend as a consequence of that. And and I don't know, something something happened the leading up to going into jail. I I just I of course wanted to get high before going to jail the next day, and I couldn't find any drugs. And and I realized that I had become this this joke of a person to all of the people that knew me. And I was going home that night and I had about a half-hour walk from the bus stop to where I was living, and it was pouring rain, and it's the middle of the night, and I was the crazy person in the street, just screaming at God to take me off this planet. I was just done. I didn't want to be here anymore, didn't want to be alive anymore. And and I don't know what happened. I went home that night, I went to bed, and the next day I got up and I went and checked myself into the jail. And something, something clicked in my brain that weekend. And after getting out of jail, I just never touched drugs again. And I always attributed that to some sort of divine intervention. And as somebody that was raised Catholic and and would have considered myself a Christian, that's that's the God that I knew. And I did since then, I did get very deep into Christianity as part of my journey, which I would no longer consider myself a Christian today. I don't know if you want to get into that, but that's another part of that. But I do think Christianity was a big part of my spiritual journey. But I feel like Christianity was a stepping stone to where I am today in my spiritual journey.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Absolutely. Yeah, I was raised in a Christian home. My grandmother was an ordained deacon, and when I was little, I had to go to church every weekend. So that exposure as a young child was definitely a stepping stone in my journey as well. And I don't consider myself Christian anymore either, but it kind of opens the doorway to open your mind to other things as you continue on, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 12:51

Exactly. And I think I think it's really hard for me to imagine that there's not something bigger than ourselves out here, but the religious dogma that got put in place, you know, to try to explain that, I that just doesn't align with me anymore.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, yeah. I relate to that for sure. So you said that getting up on stage and doing this comedy, you were you were definitely afraid of speaking in front of people, which I I totally really I've had to work through blocks for that as well. This podcast has helped me a lot. But getting up on stage for that first time, what was that like? How did that feel?

SPEAKER_02 13:32

My my first time on stage was at an open mic, and I was reading my set off of my phone, and I would say I was probably very, very hunched over, kind of head down, not making eye contact, just reading off my phone, kind of in this little curled up position on stage. It it was terrifying, and I just I didn't really get any laughs, and it it I just I don't know, I just realized that I mean in that moment, I was like, this isn't for me. That's how I felt. But but yeah, that was my first experience. And then the second experience was after taking the class that I took, there's a showcase at the end of the class where all the students get to do like a six or seven minute set. And that I was also terrified, but I had practiced so much that I was a little bit more prepared. And when I started getting some laughs, that's when I started to ease up, even today after being on stage hundreds of times, I still like once I get that first laugh, it's very, it's like, okay, I can do this now, you know. But until that first laugh, it's very terrifying still, even today.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Yeah, I was gonna ask, you know, with that first experience under your belt, how did you in your mind reconcile the fact that even though you didn't get any laughs, that it was terrifying, what gave you the courage to get up there and do it again?

SPEAKER_02 14:57

Well, that was my first chance getting on stage in front of people before the showcase from the class that I was taking. And I had committed to taking that class and seeing that through. So, so that was that was all kind of set in place. So I didn't really, in my mind, I didn't have a choice. I had to do it. I'd already committed to doing it. But three days later, I went back to that same club and ran the same material and an open mic and got absolutely nothing off it. And it was pretty devastating uh to just realize okay, I can't just do this. The showcase is like that's friends and family. People are there to be supportive, they're there to laugh. So it's kind of shooting fish in a barrel, so to speak. But like to go up in front of just a raw audience that you don't have any relation to, that's a whole different thing. And figuring out how to get laughs in that type of an environment is much more difficult. But yeah, I I don't know. Like something, something happened in my brain where I just I made a commitment. I I know from past experiences that whenever I would indulge in a new hobby or a new activity, I would give up really quickly. And I just committed to doing a hundred times on stage before I was gonna quit this. It was kind of like a personal challenge that I made for myself. And so I just started going to as many open mics as I could because I wanted to get through this 100 times on stage before as quick as possible. And and just over time I noticed that I was starting to get better, I was starting to get laughs, I was starting to figure things out. And it just the more that happened, the more I started to have good experiences than bad experiences. And I think that's just what got me going.

unknown 16:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

And do you think it was the topic that you were, you know, talking about, or you know, getting more loose and at ease, or like what was the shift that started people being more receptive to your stand-up?

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Well, I think a lot of it comes to, I mean, like stand-up works because it's something people can relate to and they can understand and they can kind of see what you're trying to share. Coincidentally, kind of on topic here, my first set that I wrote through that through that class that I took was all about leaving the church. And so I had a six, seven-minute set that I did talking about what it was like to leave this toxic Christian environment that I was in. So I think it's it's really the challenge with stand-up comedy is you have to find a way to catch their attention, get them interested in what you're saying, and then find a way to make it funny. And it takes practice, it takes reps, it takes, you know, changing how you say things. And I think just over time, things evolve to the point. I I think like even in the beginning, it's like, okay, people could find what I'm sharing interesting, but I couldn't figure out a way to make it tight enough to keep their attention long enough to get the laughs out of them. And that's what that practice kind of helped bring out.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Gotcha. So, how did the class end up turning out?

SPEAKER_02 18:00

The class was great. I I think it's a great experience. I tell everybody, anybody I know that wants to get in a stand-up, I always recommend that class because the teacher she does a great job of really teaching you like why jokes work, joke structure, how to make it funny, how to punch things up. And it's it's really a good opportunity to just really craft a set and get your feet wet in the comedy world. But yeah, it was a great experience and and I met some great people. In fact, one of the main people that are on most of my second chance comedy shows was somebody I took that first class with. So she became a regular on my shows as well. But that was great.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Yeah, I took a theater class in college and I really enjoyed it. I was a psychology major, so this was like completely off topic for me, but it was something that I've always I wanted to be an actress when I was a little kid. And so I was like, all right, I'm gonna take this theater class. I'm gonna try to get over my fear of being on stage in front of people. And she's like, it was so like you said, it's so empowering to be able to like use the script and use this character to kind of give yourself a permission slip to allow these emotions to come out on stage where it's like, okay, I feel these emotions, I can connect with this character. This is really me, but I'm using this mask to kind of let these things out in a way that, you know, doesn't require any judgment from anyone else because they're looking at the character where you're feeling that role, right? So it is very empowering and it's very like it was very releasing for me to kind of give myself that space to to release these emotions in a way that just it was different than like unloading off on someone, you know, you know what I mean? So it was a very interesting experience, and I really enjoyed it. And my teacher was even like, hey, do you are you sure you don't want to switch majors? And I was like, no, I can't, I can't do it. But it was tempting.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Yeah. No, it's it's there is something about it. And I think that's what, in my mind, what makes comedy great is when there's something authentic about it, you know, like when it's somebody that's really sharing something that matters to them and and gives you something to think about. You know, one thing that I learned from taking that class was you you have to have an emotional connection to what you're talking about, but you can't be too emotionally connected to it, right? Like it's got to be further far enough in the past that you can that you can let the audience know because part of it is letting the audience know, hey, I'm gonna talk about some difficult stuff, but I'm okay with it. So you can laugh with me. Because if you're still too like like if you just recently went through a divorce or some other traumatizing experience, it would be tough to talk about that right away because the audience would be like, okay, he's not healed enough. I I don't feel comfortable laughing at this right now. And so it's it's it's a I remember there was one joke that I had in my set that talked about this guy that I felt was a little inappropriate around my daughters. And the instructor, she said, I don't think you're ready to talk about that on stage yet. I think you're still a little upset about that. And so I dropped that joke from my set for exactly that reason, you know. And I think it's it's really like there's got to be enough distance that I can, I'm okay with it. Yeah, it was a messed up time, but I'm okay with it now, and I can laugh about it. And but it's still got to be close enough that I can connect with it emotionally so that the audience can feel the genuineness of what I'm saying, you know. So it's it's a tough balance.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

I I mean it's like that with anything, finding that balance. So tell us more about your your comedy show itself. Where is it? How often do you do it? What's it? Give us all the the juicy details.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah, so a show is called Second Chance Comedy. I actually originally started out focusing primarily on addiction and recovery, but I've kind of now I call it Second Chance Comedy Presents We're All Doing Great and Other Lies. And my idea was to branch out a little bit more into mental health. Because I think there's a direct correlation between mental health and addiction. You know, they're all kind of tied to that same under underlying wounds that we're dealing with. But but yeah, so so my website is secondchancecomedy.com. We do shows. Basically, what I do is I look for venues where I can either rent or maybe work in collaboration with the venue to produce the shows. And we've done them all over Colorado, up and down the mountain range here in Denver, Fort Collins, Colorado Springs, and anything in between. Last year we did a couple of shows down in Pagosa Springs and Durango. We're going to do that again here coming up in September. And then we've also done a couple of shows in Wyoming and in Nebraska. And we've got a couple coming up in we're going to be going back to Nebraska and then South Dakota here coming up in August. So really trying to branch out a little bit more, but have been doing them primarily I'm renting venues, selling tickets. And what I what I want people to understand is this is a comedy show. It's not a 12-step speaker meeting. It's not a lecture. It's not, you know, we're going to tell you some dark story that might have some laughs along the way. No, this is a stand-up comedy show. And the idea is to put on a stand-up comedy show that anybody can have fun at, but maybe we chip away at the stigma and shame around mental health and addiction in the process, like subtly without people even realizing it. But yeah, we we rent venues all over Colorado. We're starting to branch out a little bit more. We've done a couple of prepaid shows. We've had, you know, recovery centers and organizations pay us to come do a show for them, a couple of community colleges that we've done shows that. So really just trying to branch out wherever we can from there.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Awesome. Well, if you ever make it up to Washington State, let me know. I'd love to come see it.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

You know, I actually was just recently given a contact of a comedian that I um that would be on brand that is up in Washington. And that's the challenge with going out of state, is now I've got a, you know, I mean, a lot of these shows, you know, some are profitable, some we lose money at. You know, it's always a challenge when you're selling tickets. And but, you know, to go travel to do a show, now you've got a whole bunch more expenses to consider. So I've been slowly trying to look for comedians in different parts of the country that I feel would fit with the brand of the show. So that way it wouldn't, we wouldn't have to take five comedians on the road. We could just maybe take one comedian on the road and then find some local comedians. But anyway, I I actually just recently got a name of somebody up in Washington. And so I've been kind of talking about the idea of maybe getting up there.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

So awesome. That's really cool. So do you when you're up on stage and you're doing your your act, do you interact with the audience?

SPEAKER_02 24:39

A little bit. You know, I mean, most of it is, you know, I have a pretty good idea of what I'm gonna say before I start talking. But if there is opportunities to interact, yeah, it depends on like smaller rooms, it it's it goes a lot further to kind of have some audience interaction. Larger rooms, like if you're in a theater and you've got, you know, 150 people in the audience, then sometimes I'll just like stay mostly on script. But yeah, there are definitely times, or if somebody from the audience says something, there might be an opportunity to have a little bit of interaction. We have done a couple of shows for Ames Community College up in Greeley, Colorado, where we did a talk back session at the end of the show where we allowed the audience members to ask questions. So that was kind of a cool experience, and I would love to do more of that. But it was a chance for them to, you know, kind of pass around a microphone, and then people in the audience could ask us questions, either collectively or individually. So I liked a lot of that interaction. I love doing these podcasts, these opportunities to kind of talk more about the mindset behind it versus just getting on stage and doing the jokes.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

The reason I ask, I love comedy, so I I watch a lot of comedians, and I was curious if you had like a really interesting story about whether an audience interaction or maybe something that someone came up and told you afterwards, but anything like that really caught you off guard or was surprising?

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Uh yeah. So when I first started doing these, I haven't been doing them recently because it's a lot of work, but when I first started doing these, I would try to get audience members to maybe do a video testimonial from their experience at the show after the show. And I had a friend of mine that was helping out with those, and he would kind of interview people on camera. And so that you know, I'd go home and the next day I would get up and I would download the videos and I would watch them just to kind of see what the videos were like. I mean, the feedback in general was just really amazing. I mean, it was just so great to hear what people shared about their experience. But there was one show we did in Colorado Springs, and the next morning I was watching this video testimonial, and he asked her, he said, What makes this different than any than other comedy shows you've gone to? And she mentioned that she was in recovery herself. But the last thing that she said in that testimonial was she goes, I feel like I belong. And that was super powerful because that's really the that's the goal, right? Like we want people to belong, we want people to feel included, not lonely, you know, part of something, that connection. And so just to have this woman genuinely say, I feel like I belong here at at one of our comedy shows was really powerful.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Yeah, that's amazing. Because, you know, and being in addiction and recovery, because you you kind of burn the bridges with people throughout your life and you are looked down upon once people find out because of that stigma, because they don't take the time to understand why they're just like, oh, you're an addict, blah, blah, blah. But to have something outside of like a rehab center or a 12-step program where people can really feel included and feel like they belong, like that's that's truly an amazing gift.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

Yeah, and that's really the coolest thing, knowing that we've had that impact. I I give 20% of our profits goes to an organization called Sobriety House, and they really cater to people that can't afford to get help anywhere else. And often, if often they'll bring a group of people to our shows, and they've written letters to me thanking me for their experience with the shows. But just being in connection with that organization has really, you know, given me a lot of visibility into how we're impacting things and and just more visibility to the recovery community in general. But yeah, it's it's I think it's it's a powerful thing. Like, I mean, loneliness is a is a is a horrible feeling. And I think it's probably a big reason why a lot of people get into substance use and addiction. And I just, yeah, I I think it's it's just it's it's sad that so many people look at drug addicts as just being losers who chose to make bad decisions. And and it's not really what it is. There's something deeper there. And I honestly think, sorry, I'm kind of rambling now, but there was uh one woman I know where she had one kid that was struggling with with drugs, and then she found out that her other son also had issues with drugs. And she said, 100% of my kids are drug addicts. And it was like she was devastated by this. And I told her, I said, look, as so many people come into this world and they've got the kindest souls and the kindest hearts, and they're creative people, and then they grow up and they realize that this world is not made for them, and they just look for a way to hide. And so I think it's some of the most beautiful people that ever came to this earth went down that dark road of substance use and addiction, and it's not a choice. Like nobody wakes up and says, Hey, I'm just gonna screw up my whole life and be a drug addict. I don't think anybody's ever made that decision. It's something that just happens, and it happens to some of the most wonderful humans that ever came to this earth.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

100%. I agree with that. Absolutely. Awesome. Well, I think you're doing wonderful things, and I really would like to see your show if you do make it out here. If I ever get to Colorado, I'll I'll definitely come check you out.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Yeah, for sure. I'll give you tickets. So you won't even have to pay.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

So awesome. All right. Well, thank you so much for being on the show today. It was wonderful to speak with you.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

No, thank you for having me. And if anybody wants to learn more, like I said, secondchancecomedy.com. I try to keep it updated with all our upcoming shows. I'm actually working on a website refresh right now, too. So, but yeah, if anybody's ever interested in checking out a show or wants to book us for an event or anything, secondchancecomedy.com is the website, and uh you can contact me through that website as well.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Awesome. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

Awesome. Thank you, Heather. It's a pleasure being here.

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