Tarot as a Mirror: Shadow Work, Past Lives & the Neuroscience of Finding Yourself | Adrienne Amari

What if tarot wasn’t really about predicting the future — but about finally seeing yourself clearly? And what does neuroscience actually have to say about why gratitude, mindfulness, and shadow work change your brain?

In this episode, Heather Zimmerman sits down with Adrienne — tarot reader, past life regression practitioner, and mindfulness and meditation coach — for a wide-ranging, grounded, and genuinely fun conversation about the tools that help people stop running from themselves and start coming home.

Adrienne shares:

•       Being adopted and growing up with a question mark around identity — and how past life regression became a way to explore who she was at her core

•       The sixth-grade classroom business that introduced her to tarot (thanks, Dad) — and the Devil card that sent her running for years

•       Coming home from Japan feeling completely lost and how tarot helped her confront the shadows she’d been avoiding — abandonment wounds, fear of judgment, and everything underneath

•       Shadow work demystified — what it actually is, why it sounds scarier than it is, and why the freedom on the other side is worth the discomfort of getting there

•       The difference between your shadow side and intrusive thoughts — and why confronting something doesn’t mean becoming it

•       Why the Suit of Swords is the suit people avoid — and why that tells you everything

•       The neuroscience of gratitude: how focusing on what you’re grateful for literally builds new neural pathways and changes what your brain looks for

•       Why our brains aren’t great memory keepers — and how your emotional state right now is filtering every memory from the past

•       Mindfulness as a practical daily practice — stones in pockets, hair ties with ribbons, and brushing your teeth like a spiritual experience

•       Why 1% better tomorrow than today is still worth fighting for

 Adrienne Amari is a tarot reader, teacher, past life regressionist clarity coach who believes that self-discovery should be deep, meaningful, but most of all fun. She specializes in helping the unclear and lost ditch the over-thinking and start trusting their own magic. Whether she’s deep-diving into soul stories through tarot and past life regression, or helping people connect with themselves and the cards in a whole new way in the Tarot Lab, Adrienne is on a mission to help you trade the second-guessing for a HECK YES life. She’s here to show you that you don't need a dictionary to speak to your soul; you just need the confidence to be the main character of your own story.

This is a conversation for anyone who’s curious about tarot but doesn’t know where to start, anyone who’s avoided shadow work because it sounds heavy, and anyone who wants to understand what’s actually happening in the brain when these practices work.

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SPEAKER_02 0:02

Welcome to Everything You Need to Know About the Ascension of Humanity, the podcast where ancient wisdom meets modern science and spiritual evolution gets real. I'm Heather, an energy healer, channel, and spiritual coach with Divine Ascension Company. Each week, we're diving deep into the mysteries of human consciousness, spiritual awakening, and the profound transformation happening within us and around us. But here's the thing: we're not doing this with our heads in the clouds. We're bringing neuroscience, psychology, quantum physics, and cutting-edge research to the table alongside meditation, energy work, and timeless spiritual teachings. Because the truth is, the ascension of humanity isn't some far-off cosmic event. It's happening right now in the choices we make, the awareness we cultivate, and the healing we do within ourselves. Whether you're curious about how mindfulness literally rewires your brain, why shadow work is backed by depth psychology, or what coherence between your heart and mind actually means scientifically. You're in the right place. We'll explore practices like breath work, meditation, and devotional alchemy, not as abstract concepts, but as tangible tools grounded in both spiritual wisdom and scientific understanding. And here's where it gets even better. In our bonus episodes, you'll hear from real people sharing real stories. These are the warriors, the healers, the everyday seekers who've walked through their own darkness and found their light. They'll share their breakthroughs, their struggles, and the resources that actually help them along the way. Because personal growth isn't a solo journey, and you deserve to know you're not alone. So whether you're just beginning to question the nature of reality, or you're deep in your spiritual practice, this podcast is your companion on the path. It's time to expand, to awaken, and to rise together. Let's begin.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Today's guest pulled the devil card when she was in the sixth grade, decided she was going to be possessed, and promptly put the deck away. The good news is she eventually came back to it. Adrien is a tarot reader, past life regression practitioner, mindfulness and meditation coach, and someone who has spent a long time sitting at the intersection of spirituality and neuroscience, which, as you know, is absolutely my jam. Her path to tarot started with a sixth-grade classroom business project. A dad who thought fortune telling for classmates was a perfectly reasonable entrepreneurial idea and a devil card that sent her running. But when she came back from Japan years later feeling completely lost, back at her teenage job, back in her parents' house, unsure who she was, Tarot was what helped her find herself again. It helped her confront shadow work she'd been avoiding for years. It helped her understand why she triggered the way she did, why abandonment felt so loud for her, and what was actually holding her back. In this episode, we talk about tarot as a mirror into the subconscious, shadow work, and why it sounds scarier than it is, the neuroscience behind gratitude and mindfulness practices, why our brains are not good memory keepers, and how finding the whimsy and brushing your teeth is actually a spiritual practice. And I'm not joking about the last one. You're gonna love this. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

Alright, guys, welcome back to another episode. Today we have a very special guest. Her name is Adrian, and she is a tarot reader, she does past life regression, she's also a coach and has a very special interest in neuroscience and blending science and spirituality, which as you know is my jam. So I'm really excited to have her on today. How are you doing today, Adrian? I'm good, thanks. How about you? Oh, I'm doing quite well. So why don't you get us started and tell us a little bit more about you and what you do?

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Yeah, for sure. So my main jam, and I think the thing that people most know me for is tarot. So whether it's tarot readings or teaching people tarot, I honestly think everyone should just learn how to read tarot cards. Doesn't mean that everyone should learn to read for other people, but it's such like a powerful tool to tap into your own subconscious and to like figure things out in a way that helps you slow down and think it through. Like it's a mirror, right? Like it reflects so much of what we already know. But sometimes we need that push. So that's that's my favorite. And then with past life regression and coaching, I've always kind of had a question mark on who I was. I'm adopted and I got lucky, like I got the best family anyone could have ever asked for. But it does leave question marks in like, what's my identity? Who am I? Where do I come from? So I've always really wanted to learn more about that at its core. So past life regression is something I kind of stumbled into through a friend's mom growing up. And I didn't really get into it until more recently, but that's it's always been something in the back of my mind. And I'd have dreams growing up where I'd be like, I know this is a memory, and this isn't just like another dream because it feels so different. And it's just another layer to add on for people to learn about themselves and to figure out who they are and maybe why the way that why they are the way they are or why they're doing the things the way they are. Um, and then with the coaching, coaching just seems to very lend very naturally into both of those modalities. So yeah, that's that's what I do in many words.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

And I completely agree with you. I started using tarot as, you know, when I was still in the psychology field, I was using it to kind of give people an opportunity to look at their problems from a different perspective before even using it as like a divination tool. But it just it kind of gives you a broader scope of you know how to look at certain things about who you are, why you do the things you do, you know, what might happen if you continue following the same path. And like you said, it really is a mirror into your soul, into your behavior. And I've always really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Yeah, and I don't oh, sorry, yeah. And I don't want to discount the use for divination. That's not my favorite part of it, but like you were saying, my favorite part is to explore yourself. We kind of gotta like ourselves. We're here for a while in these bodies, right?

SPEAKER_02 6:43

So and I know I've talked about before on the show about my experiences with past life regression, but you know, I was afraid of the dark and all these things. And I went back and I was having dreams when I was a little kid. I remember telling my mom, like, I didn't want to die, I didn't want to go to sleep because I didn't want to die. But I was having dreams of being buried alive as a witch and didn't realize, like I didn't remember that later, but at the time it was so scary. And then going back and healing that, like it healed so many things for me in this lifetime, just being able to see why I was acting like reacting to situations and and having these fears and and going back and figuring out that root cause was just really healing for me.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Well, it's so powerful, right? I think that's the thing behind it where it's things that you would never even think of in this current life. And it comes up and you're like, holy crap! Like, where is this coming from? But then it also makes so much sense. So I find that it gives people a lot of peace after they go through it. And you know, sometimes one session, you do it one time, and you get a little piece of it, and you might have to kind of go through different lives to heal different things, but I feel like it can kind of help us how do I say this? Boost where we are now because it's like we're learning all these lessons or we're revisiting these lessons from the past. So it kind of gives us a foot up, if that makes any sense.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Yeah, absolutely. So, what what got you into tarot? I I know you've been doing tarot a lot longer than everything else, but like what got you into that? What did you have like a spiritual childhood or was there a specific experience?

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Yeah, it's kind of funny. So when I was in sixth grade, my I had the best grade six teacher you could have asked for. He was so creative. And one of the things he wanted us to do was to create a classroom business because he had created this fake currency that we could use to like buy things in the classroom. So I went home because I couldn't think of anything. Like I, it's not that I wasn't creative, but I was like, I was very scared of being judged by my classmates and offering something stupid. So I came home and asked my parents, and my dad's like, you should just learn to read tarot cards and tell all of your classmates their fortunes. And I was like, okay, dad. He got this tarot deck for me out that he had been kind of dabbling in. He got me this big book and he put it in front of me. And then I pulled the devil card and it scared the living daylights out of me. I had seen The Exorcist far too young in life. Way too young. Pulled the devil and I thought, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be possessed. So that kind of caused me to draw back, but I had known what Tara was, obviously, from that experience for many years. And I was always into kind of the spiritual stuff, you know, ghosts, the paranormal is really where it started as a kid. Then I got really into reading about demonic stuff and possessions and like all the dark areas. Uh and, you know, astrology crystals. Like growing up, I was always on the fringes of all those things. But when I moved back from Japan, so I'm in Canada now, but I moved back from Japan about 10, 11 years ago, and I was so lost. Like I felt like I had taken a step backwards in life, didn't really know who I was, didn't really know what I wanted to do. I went back to the job I had when I was a teenager. I went back to living with my parents, and I was like, I'm going backwards in life. Like, what is this? And it was extremely disorienting. And that's when I really found Tarot again. And it helped me. It helped me figure out so much. It helped me confront a lot of shadows that I hadn't dealt with for many years. And I know that if it could help me, it can help other people too.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah, absolutely. So, did the tarot, you know, kind of help you figure out what was next in your life? Because I mean, obviously, you don't live at home and you don't have that same job anymore. But, you know, what kind of helped you get through that transition period?

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Well, I think first and foremost for me it was having something to focus on. So even just learning it, which I made many mistakes on that road too. But even just learning it was something for me to focus, my energy, my intention. It was something new, it was something different, it was something challenging because it really does challenge us to think about many different things in many different ways, even mythology and archetypes, you know, things that we've always grown up thinking or believing. We suddenly see it in a card and we're like, wait a second, and you get that aha moment or that new insight. And to me, that's always exciting. And it's a never-ending learning journey. Like you never stop learning tarot. There's always another layer that you can kind of uncover or a different way of looking at it, which I love. Yeah. But for me, it was like probably the shadow work part of it where I was like, okay, we need to figure out what's really holding us back here. What's really like, and you know, at some point in your life you have to be like, all right, we got to shine a light on this stuff, you know? You either sit in the dark with it and kind of wallow, or you're like, I gotta get up and do something. And because I was feeling just so lost in my identity, I was like, okay, let's figure out who I am. Let's figure out what's keeping me stuck, let's figure out what I want to work through and what I don't like. And one of the big things that I always suffered with was judgment from other people. But then also abandonment issues that I didn't know were abandonment issues. And having that light and that, like, oh my gosh, this is why I have such a trigger or why I react so strongly to these types of things shown to me through the cards really helped me process, realize, and kind of move through a lot of the blockages that I suffered from.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

That's amazing. So I want to kind of touch like you you mentioned shadow work, and I briefly touched on this, I think, in a few episodes, but we never really like dove into that. And so I kind of want to ask you, and you don't have to share if you don't want to, but what was your first explain what shadow work is to you, and can you share like what your experience was with that? Because I think a lot of people don't understand what that really means, and it sounds very dumb.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

So it sounds scary, right? Because you see shadow and you think, oh no, thanks. I want to be in the sunlight. And I get it, and I like that you said to me, because maybe this isn't the absolute best explanation, but the way I always see it is like we all have sides of ourselves that we don't love. We have flaws, we have habits, we have beliefs, and it's sometimes easier to pretend they don't exist or that they're not part of us. But the shadow work is really confronting those shadows. And they might not all be bad things, but it's just the things that we avoid that we try to put a mask on, that we walk away or hide away from. And by confronting them, we actually make them part of us. And when they become part of us, they actually empower us more than they hold us back. And I think the fear is always like, well, if I confront this, I'm gonna get more stuck. And you don't. You get more freedom on the other side. But it's uncomfortable because who likes going through the darkness?

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Exactly. And I just did a thing the other day about spiritual bypassing and like how you see so much stuff in the spiritual community about light and love, everything's light and love. Well, yeah, but that's really the side of the coin. Like the other side is the shadow. Like we are very like the yin and yang symbol. We we have the light and the shadow, and we have to integrate both of those to really be a whole person, just like you balance the divine masculine and the divine feminine. You have to balance your light and your darkness, and you really can use it to empower yourself because once you have that level of self-awareness, you really can react to situations in a very different way. You can have a better understanding of who you are and why you react to things. And I think that the shadow work side is so important. And people, a lot of people gloss over it because it does sound scary, but it's such an important part of the journey to really become, you know, a whole version of yourself and really know who you are deep down.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Yeah, I agree 100%. And I think you're right too. Like it sounds scary, so people shy away from it. And some of the time, yeah, it's really uncomfortable, but it's not like you have to go through it all at once. You can do it little by little, like baby steps, right? So that it's not so overwhelming because the longer you run from it, the more it actually eats you up inside, is what I found.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Yeah, absolutely. Just like anything else. Any of your they really do.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And if you're trying to pretend it's not there, well, that's not authentic either.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

No, and it's just And we all have them.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

And I think sorry, yeah. No, go ahead. I was gonna say we all have them, so I think it's worth bringing that to light and to recognize that no one's coming uh incarnating on earth being perfect. Like that's not why we're here. We're here to learn and to figure things out and to find new ways of being and to elevate ourselves. We're not here to be like, oh, I know all the answers. Like, let's just live, you know.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

What would be the point? Well, exactly. So why not get the full experience, right? And and actually take advantage of the season why we're here. And part of that is really diving into the density and the full range of emotions, and that includes, you know, the darkness and the the anger, the grief. So it's really important to embrace that side of yourself, and and it doesn't have to define you, like it doesn't have to be your identity. That's as you go through and you heal these things and you become aware of them, you can use that information to change how you react to things and really use it to change for the better. And I don't know, it I just think people need to release the stigma around it because it's not like there's a difference between your shadow side and like your intrusive thoughts. Like, just because you of course are like, well, I have these intrusive thoughts. If I embrace them, does that mean that I'm gonna follow through with them? No, that's not what that means. It means that you're recognizing the fact that they're there doesn't mean you have to embody that and make that your identity. It's just the fact that you're totally trying to figure out why those are there and and working through that so that you don't follow through with them.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

And maybe they Yeah, well, and it's so funny because I I I'm at a point where it's sad to admit this, but I actually I really do think in tarot cards when someone's talking like, oh, it's so much like which is ridiculous, but such is my life. But as you're saying that too, it always makes me think of like the suit of swords in the tarot is the suit that most people don't like because it's often called the suit of sorrow, and it shows a lot of pain and difficulty and challenges, but it's the suit of the mind. And at the end of the day, what do we hurt ourselves with the most? It's how we think, it's how we perceive, and it's what we say to ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

Absolutely. And again, and I think oh, go ahead. No, you go. I think that like the fact that you there is a cliche that says, you know, mind over matter. And I think that's a thing for a reason because just because you're having this experience doesn't mean that you have to let it, you know, overpower you. You do have the mental capacity, the emotional capacity to become a master of that and not let it affect you that it might have in the past.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Totally. And I think too, it's just giving yourself the grace and the time. We live in a world where everybody wants a quick answer. They want a quick solution, they want to be done and over with it. Like, look, I'm cured, right? And a lot of this work doesn't come across like that.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Yeah, it takes work, but it's worth it. You know, once you come out the other side, it's absolutely beautiful. But it does take work and consistency and practice. And I think people you're like, oh, I don't have time, or blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, well then it's not a priority to you then. Like you can make time, it's not even if it's five minutes a day to start with, like you can make time.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

And that's it, it doesn't have to become your whole world.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

No, I mean it can, but it doesn't have to be. And I'm I'm like, I always tell people, like, start in the shower. Like, what are you doing? What are you thinking about when you're in the shower? Start thinking about this. And then when you're driving, like, what are you thinking about? Think about this. Like, this is how I trained myself to start doing more mindfulness and gratitude practices. Like, I would carry a stone in my pocket of painted rock. Every time I would feel it, I would think of three things I was grateful for. And then it was okay. Well, while I'm driving, I'm I'm naming off things I'm grateful for. And then in the shower, things I'm grateful for until it became second nature and became practice all the time. But just starting with those five minutes really makes a difference and gives you that that leg up to really be make it a practice in your everyday life.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

It does. And I love that you were saying too that you would say like the three things that you're grateful for over and over, because that's such an easy practice that people can use every day. And the more that we focus on that gratitude, the more we find it easier and easier to see in our lives. And I don't want to make it seem like you can just think of it and it's jumped into existence because we have agency and we have to take action towards things. But at the same time, the way you're viewing and perceiving the world makes such a difference in how you're living your life.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

And that's how you build new neural pathways. Like it, there's there is science behind that because when you start focusing your attention and your energy on finding things that make you happy and that you're grateful for, you actually build new neural pathways and you start to see more things that bring you joy, that are full of beauty, full of beauty, and that you're grateful for. And so you're really retraining your brain on what it focuses on. And that's how it becomes part of who you are.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

I think it's that's so powerful too, because so many people don't realize how autopilot our brains actually are. Like, I think many people think they're in control. And for a lot of the part, we're not, because we have these programs in our brain that just run on autopilot so that we can get through the day. Like that's why even when we're looking at things, our brain is filling in the gaps. We're not necessarily seeing it for exactly how it is in, I guess, whatever reality you're living in. But I wish more people would want to explore that connection because once you understand even a little bit of it, you can start using it to your benefit. And that is so exciting.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Oh, absolutely. And that's the thing, like the I I talk about I wrote an article about this not that long ago, but about being mindful and how time is not linear and everything in the past and the future exists only because only through your perception of it now. So if you're looking at a past memory and you're like, oh, this happened, that happened, this happened, well, you're looking at it from a perspective or a lens of where your emotional and mental state is at this time, right now. So It filters and actually puts a lens over those memories. And so when you train your brain to really shift into that sort of mindfulness and gratitude shift, you actually have the ability to control how you remember those memories because you could look at something that was terrible that happened to you. And at the time it was so terrible. And it's like, oh my God, why is this happening to me? But then once you have these perspective shifts and you look back, you're like, okay, what was this trying to teach me? What did I learn from it? How did it improve my life? Instead of looking at it as just a negative. So you really do have that mental capacity and that power to really change how you perceive your world, which will in turn change how you experience your world.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

Yes. Well, and I think we have to remember too that our brains actually aren't great memory keepers because it's trying to store so much information that it generally does like to group like memories together. So it's like, well, this is like this. So I'm going to put it in this bucket. And then over time they mix together and they're not quite what actually happened.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Yeah. That's what becomes testimony anymore in court because it it just hard to remember things exactly as it happened. Yeah. And you don't, again, it's it's all through a filter. That experience, even while it's happening, it's through the filter of your mental and emotional state at that time. So as you grow, as you change, your perception of those memories changes with you.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

It does. And I think a large portion of how it changes is really up to you as well. Oh, 100%. 100%. And if more people could embrace that power, I feel like more people would be happier.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

100%. I really do. And that's in the program that I created like mindfulness and gratitude are step number one and step two, because it really is the foundation and the basis of if you want to look at your spiritual journey from a very practical sense, those two little shifts in your everyday life can open up your consciousness and expand things in such a way that all of this, everything else will just flow so much easier. And I really do think that they're so important for changing your reality and really experiencing your life in a different way than maybe you have been before.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

I think so too. But I do also think people need to realize that sometimes it's not a big shift that just happens overnight. Like sometimes it's a lot of little shifts that add up. And I think that's a really important piece to keep in mind. Because like if your day, if your day is feeling the same day to day today, if tomorrow is, let's say, one percent better than yesterday, isn't that still improvement? Like, isn't that still worth fighting for continuing to explore?

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Absolutely. I 100% agree. And and it does take, like I said, it does take practice and consistency. Like I had to have little, because I'm ADHD, so I'm a very out of sight, out of mind person. So I'll be like, okay, I'll write myself all these notes and be like, gratitude journal or my kindness calendar, or like remember to do these things, but I actually had to have a physical reminder with me, which is why I carried the rock. Or at one point I was I had a little hair tie that had a big ribbon on it. And so when I would see it, I would remember like, okay, this is my trigger to start thinking of things I'm grateful for, or to start being more mindful and paying attention to what I'm experiencing in my body or what I'm seeing, what I'm hearing, and really getting into that, like being aware of my body, talking to my body, my intuition and what was happening around me versus being lost in my train of thought all the time and really living in that moment. But it took time.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Yeah, I get that. It does. It takes time and practice and consistency. I'm a sticky note person. I have sticky notes. They're fun, they're colorful, you know. I like that part. And again, I think going back to tarot, that's why it helps too, because that can be a catalyst or a reminder. You pull that card and you think, oh yeah, that's what I need today. That's where I need to focus my energy, my intention. That'll help me get through whatever it is I'm stuck on.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Yeah, absolutely. So, why don't you go ahead and tell us more about your services and what you're doing with yourself now? If someone wants to find you for a tarot reading, or I I also want to hear a little bit more as you as you go through this about your you said you were a mindfulness and meditation coach. And so I kind of want to dive into that a little bit more as well because I think that's also really important.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

And that's the newest modality to me. And honestly, I just started, I did like the mindfulness and mindful meditation teacher training courses stuff, whatever, mostly because I found it interesting and I thought it would be good for me. And I'm always the person who's like, let me try it first. Let me see how I feel about it. And if I like it and if I think it helps me, then I know there's someone else out there that is going to benefit from this. And I don't think we benefit as a society, as a community, as people by gatekeeping or keeping things to ourselves, right? Like if someone could benefit, why the heck not? It's so exciting. But for me, I love meditation. So I worked really hard this past summer to build a meditation practice because I have never formally been diagnosed with ADHD, but I definitely have that kind of brain where I just go from one thing to the next, have a very hard time focusing, have a very hard time staying consistent. And if something is not fun, I will not do it. Like huge resistance of not enjoying myself, not into it, probably not gonna happen. Which maybe isn't the best way to be, but hey, at least I know that, right? So being self-aware. Yeah, exactly. But the meditation, once I started doing it, I just felt so much more grounded, so much freer in a way. I have often been plagued with like racing thoughts. I would not be able to fall asleep at night because I was so stuck in my head, telling myself stories. And doing even like 10 minutes of meditation a day really helped center me. It helped me stay off my phone more because I think we are on our phones a lot. And maybe we shouldn't be as much as we are. It helped me get outside more because going for a like a mindful walk, which might sound cheesy, but the world around us is so beautiful. And I love just the attention to mindfulness where it's like you just pay attention. You're just here in the present moment. And for me, that's always been a really hard thing to do. I was so much not so much stuck in the past. I know a lot of people who are. I'm very I was very much stuck in the future, in the what if, the what's gonna happen, what's next. But even when I was going on vacations, I wasn't actually enjoying my vacation because I was like, well, what's gonna happen when I get home? And with the mindfulness teacher training or the mindfulness training in general, it really helped me slow down. This is a weird side effect, but it actually makes time pass slower, but in a very nice way. I don't feel like my days are rushing by. I feel like I'm actually able to enjoy and live my days. And not every day is perfect, you ebb and flow, it's life. But it's just brought me so much more peace and so much more enjoyment and so much more connectedness to the present moment. And like I was saying, like even going out for a walk, where it's like, no, I don't need to be on my phone when I'm out walking my dog. I can enjoy like the air, the fresh air. I can enjoy all the flowers that are starting to bud when they decide to break through the snow. Even the slushy snow under my feet and all the sounds it makes when it's crunching, all of that brings so much joy if you let it that you have to pay attention to it and be in the moment with it.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

And I feel like you were saying like people could so benefit from it because it really just makes you feel more peaceful and happier. And I want people to be here living lives they actually want to be living. And that's not to say that we sometimes don't have disappointments and upsets and strife, because that is all part of the human experience. But we can have moments of peace and enjoyment and happiness, and they can be the ones that we carry with us and that we actually experience in the here and the now. And I just find that so much more meaningful.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Absolutely. I 100% agree. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Yeah. And it just helps you to slow down, like slow down and connect. And I think in a world that feels like it's rushing by us all the time, that can just bring you so much inner peace. I call it vacation brain.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

And you can slow down. I love that. And and actually enjoy things, and like your day becomes more fluid and it's not rushing, rushing, rushing, rushing, where you actually, I mean, it might not feel like vacation because it's your everyday life, but it it really gives your mind the opportunity to slow down and really enjoy each step of your day rather than worrying about, you know, what's coming next.

SPEAKER_00 31:17

And I think it does though help. It's like, I know it's like even if you're going through the everyday routine of things, I do think it does help you find a little bit more beauty or whimsy as well in your life. And for me, it also encourages me to do more things just for the sake of doing them because I want to try it. A lot of the time before, especially, I'd be like, Well, I'm not gonna bother because I suck at that. Like, I don't know how to do that. I'm gonna suck at it. Why even bother doing it? But with the mindfulness, you'd be like, okay, well, what does this feel like? Let me see. It's more of an experience, if that makes sense, than like I have to be good at this. And approaching it from a sense of like, I want to experience this takes a lot of the resistance for starting something new or trying something different away.

SPEAKER_02 32:02

Yeah. And it's funny because, like you said, even when you're doing like your mundane tasks, like finding the whimsy and stuff, like I'll I'll let you in on a little secret. This is one of the like part of what I'm gonna be talking about next week in my challenge, which will be over by the time this airs, but finding finding the whimsy and the divine and everything that you do. Like when I brush my teeth, I send love to my teeth, and I literally imagine my teeth having a bubble bath and having fun in a bubble bath and then rubbing them with the toothpaste. And then they do like when I use my mouthwash, like they do a little like swishy swish dance. And it's like it's finding ways to enjoy the little things and really being present in and focusing in on what you're doing and making it fun.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

Yeah, I love that. I'm gonna try it tonight now.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Yeah, even when I like we're having a ball of that, guys.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

I love it. That's so cute.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

I bless my water and I just make it a fun experience. And I bring the divine, I bring source energy into all of it, and I just, you know, just making it fun. Like who likes brushing their teeth? Nobody. It takes a few minutes, it but it's uh just a boring, routine, mundane activity. But when you really bring that whimsy and that that fun into it, it really changes the whole experience.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Well, and then it also makes it something you kind of look forward to. Yeah, absolutely. And that again just cuts down on the resistance to actually doing the things you need to do and living your life. Yeah, because for me it's always tea. I always go back to tea. Any anything a joy of an enjoyment for me is like, oh, there has to be a nice cup of tea. But those mindful moments, whether you like tea or coffee or water, it doesn't matter. But just like pouring it into the cup and choose a cute, fun cup to use and watching the bubbles and watching I use cream in my tea. People will come for me for that, but whatever I do it. Uh, watching the colors mixed together, like all of that can just give you those moments of getting out of the busy brain and into right where you are.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Absolutely. Awesome. So go ahead and share with everyone your your website and helps get a hold of you if they want, you know, to take part of any of your services.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Yeah, sorry, I got sidetracked with my full listener. I'm not upset about it. So, right now, my main focus is my tarot lab. So the tarot lab is a place for people who are learning tarot, who are bored with their practice, who really want to connect to the cards in a more deep and meaningful way, to explore the tarot and explore working with the cards in all sorts of different ways. So we do monthly masterclasses, we do tarot practice sessions, there are monthly challenges. And it's not just like this card means this. It's not a tarot course. It's not teaching you to memorize the cards, it's teaching you how to relate the cards to your personal experiences, to your actual life, because that's all the tarot deck is. It's 78 cards that you've lived before, and you're gonna live them all over again, too. So it's really connecting with it in that way so that it becomes a tool that's really useful for you or for you to use with others. Doesn't matter which way you want to go with it. So that's my main jam right now. But everything, my services, whether it's tarot reading, the tarot lab, past life regression, mentorship, coaching, it's all available at adrianamari.com. And you can find me mostly on Instagram. That's my favorite at uh instagram.com slash Adrian Amari Tarot. I'm Adrian Amari Tarot pretty much everywhere. I got I got in on that one early, monopolized it.

SPEAKER_02 35:49

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on the show today. It was an absolute pleasure to speak with you.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

You too. Thanks for having me. This is really fun, and I really like just the chill conversation because I think we need more of this in this space, in this community. It doesn't have to be difficult, it doesn't have to be regimented, more honesty. So I love that you're doing this.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Yeah, anytime.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

I'm always up to chat.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

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