Manifesting by the Moon: Lunar Magic, Tarot & Why the Work Matters More Than the Wish | Jen Sankey

What does it look like to grow up with gifts no one around you could see — and to spend decades not losing them, but quietly deepening them? And what does intentional manifesting actually look like when you strip away the hype and get back to the moon?

In this episode, Heather Zimmerman sits down with Jen Sankey — professional witch, tarot reader, Reiki master, crystal and angel healer, lunar witch, and author of Manifesting by the Moon — for a grounded, practical, and genuinely fun conversation about lunar magic, psychic gifts, and what it actually takes to manifest the life you want.

Jen shares:

•       Growing up alone, outside, making potions — and with a spirit companion she called the White Lady who kept her company before she had language for any of it

•       Getting her first tarot deck at twelve from the local Spencer’s with babysitting money — and what that unlocked

•       Being on her own at fourteen and how magic became the one thing she could control when everything else felt chaotic

•       Why children’s gifts are conditioned out of them — and why that’s worth grieving

•       Her book Manifesting by the Moon (Llewellyn) — 120+ exercises, spells, meditations, and activities organized by moon phase

•       The new moon vs. the full moon — intention setting vs. balance and release, and what each phase actually calls for

•       How to make moon water, when to make it, whether the moonlight needs to touch it, and how to use it

•       The three-day window around major moon phases — you didn’t miss it

•       Eclipse energy demystified — it’s an amplifier, not a disaster, and the fear-spreading needs to stop

•       Why manifesting without action is just making a wish — and the shadow aspect of paying someone else to do your inner work

•       Discernment, skepticism, and why seven pages of citations in the back of a book actually matter

Jen Sankey, an author, professional witch, and tarot reader, is dedicated to teaching the mystical arts.She also won for the self-publication of her three-time award-winning tarot deck, Stardust Wanderer Tarot. As the director of the World Spiritual Association on social media, she plays a pivotal role in connecting spiritual practitioners worldwide. Among her other notable works is the Enchanted Forest Felines Tarot, a collaboration with Llewellyn Worldwide.

Find Jen Sankey:

•       Website: stardustwanderertarot.com

•       Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/stardustwanderertarot

•       Book — Manifesting by the Moon: available wherever books are sold

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SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to Everything You Need to Know About the Ascension of Humanity, the podcast where ancient wisdom meets modern science and spiritual evolution gets real. I'm Heather, an energy healer, channel, and spiritual coach with Divine Ascension Company. Each week, we're diving deep into the mysteries of human consciousness, spiritual awakening, and the profound transformation happening within us and around us. But here's the thing: we're not doing this with our heads in the clouds. We're bringing neuroscience, psychology, quantum physics, and cutting-edge research to the table alongside meditation, energy work, and timeless spiritual teaching. Because the truth is, the ascension of humanity isn't a far-off cosmic event. It's happening right now in the choices we make, the awareness we cultivate, and the healing we do within ourselves. Whether you're curious about how mindfulness literally rewires your brain, why shadow work is backed by depth psychology, or what coherence between your heart and mind actually means scientifically. You're in the right place. We'll explore practices like breath work, meditation, and devotional alchemy. Not as abstract concepts, but as tangible tools grounded in both spiritual wisdom and scientific understanding. And here's where it gets even better. In our bonus episodes, you'll hear from real people sharing real stories. These are the warriors, the healers, the everyday seekers who've walked through their own darkness and found their light. They'll share their breakthroughs, their struggles, and the resources that actually help them along the way. Because personal growth isn't a solo journey, and you deserve to know you're not alone. So whether you're just beginning to question the nature of reality, or you're deep in your spiritual practice, this podcast is your companion on the path. It's time to expand, to awaken, and to rise together. Let's begin. Today's guest was the weird little kid who grew up to be a weird adult. Her words, not mine, though I'm sure most of us can relate. And she says it like the badge of honor it absolutely is. Jen Sankey is a tarot reader, Reiki master, crystal and angel healer, and lunar witch. And she has been in this world her entire life. Not as a seeker who found it, but as someone who had never lost it. She grew up alone a lot, outside making potions with sticks and rocks, and with a companion she called the White Lady, a spirit who lived in one of the houses that she grew up in, who kept her company long before she had language for any of this. By twelve, she had her first tarot deck, bought with babysitting money from the local Spencers. By 14, she was on her own, and magic became the thing that gave her something to hold on to when everything else felt out of control. She's also a published author. Her book, Manifesting by the Moon, is out now through Llewellyn, and it is exactly what it sounds like, and nothing like you'd expect. Over 120 exercises, spells, meditations, and activities that use the lunar phases as a map for intentional living. No rare herbs from Epsy, no overnight manifestation schemes, just the moon doing what she always does, and you finally paying attention. In this episode, we talk about growing up with gifts other people couldn't see, why the spiritual community needs to stop spreading fear about eclipses, the real difference between making a wish and doing the work, and how to actually use the moon phases, including what moon water is, how to make it, and whether it matters if the moon is even shining on it. This one is practical, grounded, and full of the kind of real talk that I love. Let's get into it. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode. Today we have a very special guest. Her name is Jen Sankey. She is a self-proclaimed professional witch, tarot reader, Reiki master, crystal, and angel healer, and also a lunar witch, which I'm really excited to get into today. The lunar magic and manifestation that she's really all about. She's also a published author and has all kinds of other really cool things under her belt. How are you doing today, Jen? I'm doing pretty good. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I'm ready for spring, but well, this will be summer by the time this airs, but I'm ready for the warm weather to get here.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

Yes, yes. Well, and the clocks change, you know, in another like week or week and a half. So I'm excited about that.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, me too. Awesome. So why don't you go ahead and get started and tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

All right. So my name uh Jensinky, like we talked about it a little bit. Um, and I am, you know, I am the weird little kid who grew up to be a weird adult. And there's a lot of things stuffed in there. So as a child, I was alone a lot. Alone, very my parents really they didn't really think parenting was like a thing that they enjoyed. So they just didn't. And so I was kind of alone a lot, a lot. And I was outside doing, you know, chasing Faye, making potions with sticks and rocks and all of that good stuff. And then I also happened to have a couple extra friends hanging around that as I got older realized not everyone can see. Probably the most prevalent one is I always called her the white lady and just because she was dressed all in white. And she was somebody that is now I know was a spirit in one of the houses that we lived in. And she was really kind of my companion. So, you know, as I started talking about her as a child and realizing that people didn't see her like I saw her, I really started to realize kind of how weird I was. And that, you know, that was kind of the turning point too when I realized I need to kind of be quiet about those things. So it was that knowing that there was other things going on in the world that not everybody saw, like I saw. And, you know, as I grew a little bit older, probably around 12 or so, I gotten my first tarot deck. And really I got interested in tarot just by watching movies and reading books. I would read anything I could get my hands on. If it had something to do metaphysical, you know, scary horror thriller, I was all about it and reading it. And in a lot of those books, there's in even the movies, you know, we have the craft and all of that. There's tarot. So I was really super interested. Like, what is this? I want to see what I can do with this. So got my babysitting money, headed over to the local Spencer's and grabbed myself a deck. And, you know, kind of from there, I really started focusing on the the other part of what was going on around me. And that's when I started really working with the moon and figuring it all out. That's when I was like trying to read and trying to discover like what were these things. And at that point, the internet wasn't a thing. And so going to the library, there was like three metaphysical books. There's like a Wicca book and a moon book, and I don't even remember what the other one was. And I just would check out those constantly and read them and try to figure out what was going on. What can I do about it? You know, when I was 14, I was out on my own. And at that point, it almost it almost like forced me to really hone in on my intuition, on my magic, on what I can do, because there were so many things out of my control at that point. So I had to find something to kind of bring it all in and bring myself into control, if that makes sense. And by doing that, I really just kind of discovered these other gifts that that were there. And, you know, just kind of, you know, as things progressed, I learned more. The internet started to open up a little bit and I had more resources and that sort of thing. And I was a teen mom. I was mom at 17. So that was definitely uh a life-altering experience. And, you know, and you know, as as I just moved and grew into who I was, you know, magic, the moon, tarot, all of those things were were just a part of it. There was no, there was no separating it at that point. So that's kind of the gist of it, I suppose.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Awesome. So why don't you tell us a little bit about your book?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

So my book, Manifesting by the Moon, a guide to lunar magic, is just came out. Um, and it's it's really about learning how to use the moon phases to manifest, learning about lunar magic in general. You can pick up this book if you've never done anything with lunar magic, manifesting, tarot, spell work, rituals. I have all of it kind of jam-packed right in there for you. And it's all really easy, accessible. You know, it's it's I try to not make it complicated. I am somebody, you know, I didn't come from money, you know. I was not, I did not have a money for a very long time. So being practical is very important to me. And I really wanted to bring that out in this book by the different spells that I suggest, different correspondences, crystals, all of those things. They're easy to get. They're not, you know, you're not gonna have to hunt for this rare herb on Etsy to do one spell, you know. It's all about being able to bring it into your life, make it a part of your life, learn how to manifest in the best way possible for you, and using the moon and the lunar phases as your guide to do so. So, you know, this is something that I started doing myself. And then I started, as I was doing targetings for others, I started kind of implementing some of the things with the lunar cycles and, you know, with the different phases and the energy of the phases, just to kind of see how it would work for other people. And a lot of people really liked it because it's really a good way to focus your magic and focus your practice, focus, focus your manifesting and how you want to bring in things into your life instead of just kind of willy-nilly wishing that it'll happen. And, you know, I can be quite, you know, spicy brain sometimes. So I like to side quest. So finding something that focuses me that I know is always gonna be there every month. That, you know, like the moon, she's just gonna go through her phases regardless. So no matter what, she's gonna go through every single phase, and that energy is gonna be there. And I know that I could just tap into whichever phase it is and know, okay, well, it's the first quarter moon. It's probably a good time for a big action. What big action can I do? And if that's all I do during that cycle, that's fine. At least I did something, you know, to kind of move that dial. So by bringing all of these exercises, there's over 120 exercises, spells, oh my gosh, meditations, activities, all those things in here to kind of just give you, you know, give you the whole basket full and and kind of have you choose your own adventure.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Awesome. That's amazing. So I want to jump backwards a little bit. And you're so you saw spirits and fei and things like that when you were a kid. How did that kind of you said you were alone a lot, but how did that affect your childhood? And did you really stop doing that? Did you just stop telling people? Like what was that experience like?

SPEAKER_01 12:10

So I really just that that continues to this day. That has not gone away. But I think when, you know, when I was younger, you know, you don't you don't really think about what you're saying, if if it's going to be kind of a weird thing or not, you know, and as kids, you know, and if you have kids, you know that they just come up and they say the craziest things and you're like, oh, you're so cute. But for me, in the environment that I was in, it wasn't super positive. So when I would say stuff like this, I would kind of get a little backlash. And that taught me really quickly that, okay, this is something I don't I shouldn't be sharing. This is going to be my little secret because I was also afraid that it would make it stop and make it go away because these were kind of my friends, you know. That's that's kind of what I had. And, you know, it did it did teach me kind of real world stuff early on, which was unfortunate, but probably necessary. And, you know, I I definitely it didn't go away. It just it I just stopped talking about it. And then that was just kind of my own little thing.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Yeah, that's interesting because I when I was younger, I would have dreams about past lives, and I wouldn't see spirits, but I would sense them around me. I knew that the those energies were there. And I'm gonna share a secret about myself here because I was one of the weird kids too. But like one of the things that I teach people is about consciousness and how it literally is in everything. And even as a kid, I had stuffed animals. That was my thing, that was my jam. They were my friends. And I was always afraid to get rid of them because they had souls to me. They had feelings. I was afraid I was gonna hurt their feelings. And this is like all the flowers, all the trees, like everything is alive to an extent. Everything has a consciousness, everything has energy. And so it's really interesting as a kid to have that perception that other people just don't really understand. And they're they're just like, oh, you're just being silly, you're just a kid, whatever. But it really does have an effect on on you when you're like, Oh, well, am I crazy? Am I weird? Like, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Right, right. And you and you don't even think about it until that happens. And you know, I I feel that unfortunately, just we all I think across the board with everybody, you know, we're so magical as children because we don't have that, you know, that perception of this is weird and that's weird, but it is conditioned out of us as we get to adults. Some of us are able to hang on to it, but haven't there's been so many people that I've even done readings or energy work for, and and I'm like, oh my gosh, like you just you have this energy, you have this, you have a gift, like, and they're just like, what are you talking about? And then the more you dive into it, you're like, When you were little, did you happen to do X, Y, and Z, or did you happen to, you know, sense these things happening before? And they're like, Yeah, but you know, I, you know, I would tell my Nana, I would tell my aunt, and they would tell me to cut it out that it was ridiculous. So I just didn't bother anymore. And it's like, oh my gosh, you know, like I I do wish, you know, that people would just give that more attention instead of just squashing it in children because they they just have that, they just have that light and they have that, they just are so open to all of these things. And I think it's it's too bad. And it's just like, you know, even going into teaching children how to meditate and how to again see the aliveness of everything, that like animate, you know, animism of all the things around them, because they already believe that, but like letting them know that it's okay to believe those things. And so I do think, you know, it it is too bad because then it when these adults in your life as a child start telling you that, it makes you feel a certain way too. And it's putting that limiting belief, you know, it's like setting that right up in your brain. And, you know, that happens with money, that happens with things like this. There's there's so many things, and even just even manifesting and bringing stuff in and and have in using your energy to kind of change the way things are for yourself. Like we are so conditioned to like not believe that. So it's it that's why it makes it so much harder, but it also makes it why there it's so easy for people to fall prey to kind of these, you know, these scams, so to speak, or these these coaches that are like, oh, I can help you manifest everything you want in a week for 10k, you know? And there are people out there who help and who are fantastic and great, but you know, we do see that happen a lot. So when they come to, you know, the space of trying to learn how to manifest, trying to work with the moon, they are a little scared because they might have been burned before. So it's it's just giving them again that discernment to kind of tell the difference between what's real and what's not. And a lot of that is trusting their intuition.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Yeah, absolutely. And it is a shame because there are so many people out there like that who are like, oh yeah, for $12,000, I'll get rid of this energy that suck that's preventing you from doing X, Y, or Z. And it's like, okay, well, that might be okay on the surface level, but it's not going to fix all of your problems. And people are so used to looking for that overnight fix that they're like, okay, I'll pay the money because you're gonna fix all my problems, but that's not how it works. And so I try to teach people about manifesting as well, and there's so many layers that go into it. I have a whole program, 14-step program, and the last one is manifesting, but you have to go through all these other steps before you can really open yourself up to attract these things in. And and I mean, the opposite opportunities are there, but you have to really be in the right mindset, clear your energy, be at a high vibration, and and really know what it is you want and do it in a certain way that gives the universe the opportunity to meet you halfway, right? So it's really interesting. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. It's interesting to see all of the different things out there, and I I really hope that people start being more open-minded to this stuff because you're right. As a kid, we are kind of shut down by a lot. And like, I I run into people all the time and they're like, Oh, you know, I don't have any psychic abilities, I don't have any gifts. I'm like, no, you do. We all do. It's just that you they're like, it's gone, it's gone. I had it when I was a kid, it's gone. I'm like, it's not gone. You just kind of turn the light switch off. We just have to figure out a way to turn it back on. That's all.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Right, right. No, it's so true. And you know, it even in my book and and just talking to people, it's you have to do the work. And you know, just like you said, it's so important because, you know, as you're creating your intention at the new moon, and a part of that, and each chapter, each moon phase has its own chapter in my book. And you have to go through the work. You're gonna do some exercises. Is that really what you want? Why do you want it? What do you expect the outcome to be? Because sometimes when you start diving into that, you realize it's actually not what you want. Right. And and realizing that is important, or as you're working through it, these little shadowy things are popping up. We can't just ignore that because that is taking up that energetic, you know, space. And you need to clear that so that you can open that up to receive. And by, you know, by doing the work, by doing the actions. So each moon phase, you're creating different actions based on whatever that lunar energy is to help bring in what it is that you want to manifest. And a lot of people, you know, it's really funny. So Llewellyn is my publisher, and they had posted the book right before it came out, you know, and doing all their marketing things. And somebody wrote in the comment, oh yeah, here I go. Just make a wish at the moon and have everything I want. And you know, and it's like a troll comment. I get it. But I really had to think about the title of my book and having the word manifesting right smack in front of the book because it can give people the ick. Because there's this new agey kind of whatever going on, and they're like, you know, like we're excuse me, we're talking about manifest in three days, do this, do that, you know, and and I really had to sit with that a little bit. But I want to, you know, I want people to read the book and I want them to reframe it in their own minds, and even when they talk to other people, and like, yeah, that it's not that quick rich scheme. It's it's not gonna happen that way for you because without, you know, manifesting without action is just making a wish. And we can make a wish, and you know, sometimes wishes come true, wishes are great, but if you're not doing anything to kind of move that dial, then nothing, it's gonna, it's going to fall flat and it's nobody's fault but yours. And you can blame everybody you want. And I think a lot of times too, when people are, like you say, paying all this money for all these different things, like, oh yeah, solve this problem for me, solve this problem for me. That's a very shadowy aspect. Like they don't want to deal, do the work, they don't want to deal with those shadow aspects. So they're gonna pay someone else to do it. And then when it doesn't work, because subconsciously they know that it's not, right? Then they have someone to blame.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

You know?

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Yeah. So let's talk about the moon phases real quick. Because I I tell people all the time, I'm like, okay, guys, tomorrow's a full moon. Like, make sure you go out and make your moon water and blah, blah, blah. So I I'm just gonna assume that most of the people who are listening. Might not know about the moon energies and stuff like that. So I don't want to overwhelm them. So let's start with just like the full moon and the new moon. What are those energies? What can you do during those periods of time? Can you explain moon water a little bit more for people so they don't think that I'm just crazy here by myself?

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Of course, of course. So the the new moon is the first phase of the moon cycle. And that's actually the moon is not visible in the sky at that point. But that is the beginning of the phase. So that is when we're creating our intention. That's when we're going to kind of start that moon manifesting cycle. Start creating that manifesting map by what is it that you want, right? What is it that you want to bring in in the next month? What do you, you know, what do you want to change in your life? And it doesn't always have to be of a material thing. It can be a new habit. It could be just clearing up your credit. It could be, you know what, this month I'm going to work on moving, I'm going to work on cleaning that closet out down the hall that I just usually just open it up, throw something in and shut the door real quick. So it's, you know, abundance, wealth, all of that are it's many different things. And also deciding what that means to you is really important. But with the new moon, we are just we're what are you bringing in? So then we go, we skip a couple of moon phases and we get to that full moon. So the full moon traditionally is about release, about you know, kind of letting go what you don't need. And in my book, I really like to focus it more on balance. And each moon phase in the book has tarot cards associated with it, but the full moon has two. It's got the sun and the moon because I want that balance. I want to really focus on that balance when you're working through your manifestations. And that is, you know, it the that's when it's big, bright in the sky when we see it, you know, you can't miss it at that point. And a lot of times the moon shines on different parts of yourself that you try to keep hidden. And so that is really what I like to focus on. So, what what part of yourself that you don't really like to show people during that moon full moon phase, maybe kind of peeking out a little bit? What can, you know, can we dive into it a little bit? Can we see? Can we shift some energy? So that's really what I like to focus on just really, really quickly. And as far as making moon water, you can actually make moon water at any phase. But a good, a great starting point is the full moon because again, you see it bright in the sky, and you can use it for so many different things. So you're harnessing when you create moon water, you're harnessing the energy of that particular phase. So when we are doing the full moon, you can you you kind of determine beforehand. So for me, you know, this new this full moon, I'm gonna create this moon water for balance, right? Or you can say, all right, I'm using it to help release or help to, you know, maybe if I'm I have a day where I just am feeling kind of sludgy and there's like a lot of like yuck energy around me to kind of clear that. You can you just fill up water and you turn you also determine whether or not it's gonna be something you can drink, because you can if you want to do that and you want to make sure you use good, clean drinking water, or if you're gonna use it for something else. A lot of people will put it in a spray bottle with some essential oils and kind of use it as a room spray or on themselves and that sort of thing. So it's really figuring out what you want to use it for, and then it kind of makes it easier to create it that way. And then you just stick it out on a windowsill overnight. The moon does not have to be directly hitting it, as long as it's there and it's it'll absorb the energy it needs the absorb to absorb in the morning. Make sure you label it, your purpose for it, and then you have your moon water, and then you can use it any way you want. So some people that use it for drinking, they'll maybe, you know, drink it in the morning if they want to make sure if you're using it for balance, you have a sip in the morning to make sure your day is balanced, or you put it some in your tea or your coffee, or you know, if you want to use it to make sure to, you know, kind of release things that, you know, kind of like just go move through your day with a nice flow and not let anything bother you too much. You can use it um as a spray, like around you before you go into a situation, before you go into work, as you get out of work to kind of get rid of the yuck. There's just so many ways that you can utilize using moon water.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Yeah, I usually write down affirmations or things I want to manifest on a piece of paper and put it underneath so that it's there. Because water holds memory. So I put it underneath the container as it's out in the moon and then I drink it afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

I also use it for other stuff, but that's usually what I use it for. But that's one of the questions that I see people ask the most is okay, well, does the moon light have to be touching it? Because some places, you know, the moon doesn't shine bright like right on or it's cloudy or whatever. And I also like, does it have to be in a clear container? And you know, do you have to set the affirmations ahead of time? So what's your kind of take on all of that?

SPEAKER_01 27:26

I know you touched on it briefly, but yeah, no, the moon, you know, if you're lucky to kind of have that happen where it's if you have a window and the moon happens to be filtering through, yeah, throw it over there. Absolutely. But it might be a cloudy night. The moon might be full on like the other side of your house. So you're not technically, you can't really see it unless you go outside. You can put it outside if you want, depending on the time of year, or you know, if you won't forget it. For me, putting it on a windowsill or on, you know, even the kitchen counter near a window, it that I remember it's there. And you don't have to, it doesn't need to be under the direct light. It it can be, but it doesn't have to be. I would definitely recommend setting an intention, affirmations, like you said, beforehand. I like to make sure tools that I'm using, they know what their job is. And because it also helps you too, to kind of make sure you're in you're kind of integrating that energy as well. Because if you just set it out and then you know you have it there, you you're probably not gonna use it. You know, it's just gonna sit on your desk for a month because you didn't really set give it a reason. Like, why am I using this? And I think it's important to kind of set an intention for it. Some people will put crystals around it as well. I, you know, sometimes I'll take a bowl of crystals and just set it in on top just to kind of give it an extra little boost. You can do that as well. But I do think that it you should definitely give it its job before before putting it out.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

One of the other things that I see a lot is like some people will be like, oh, I miss the full moon. And I've seen some people talk about like the energy being still being there like the day before or the day after. What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 29:16

The the energy of the moons, especially the bigger moons, the new moon, the full moon, that sort of thing. You have three days. You have three days to do it. So just go ahead and do that, you know, and put it out. And it and if you're feeling really called to do that, absolutely set your intention and stick it out the next night. And it's fine, it's gonna be just as strong because, you know, you're again, you're giving it that job, you're setting that intention for it, and the moon is recognizing that. So it's going to help you out, you know, the she's there to help out. So she'll definitely help you out with that. But don't worry so much. Uh, you know, if it's like a week after, yeah, probably not. And we're gonna be getting into kind of more of the waning phases. So then that energy is gonna pick up in that moon water. But you have a couple days, so definitely if you remember if you didn't, you weren't able to that one night, the the first night, second night, throw it out. Totally fine.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Okay, awesome. And what about what about eclipses? What's going on with those?

SPEAKER_01 30:17

So I actually just made a whole post about eclipses because we have we're kind of in an eclipse, you know, season right now, and we have one coming up in a couple days. You know, this is a hot topic, and it's always very interesting to see everyone's take on it. For me, I like the to use the analogy of like an old radio. So this season you kind of have, you know, the eclipse seasons going on, we have eclipses going on. Imagine the eclipse like an old radio. So, what it does is it's turning the energy up of whatever that full moon, new moon is. And so that's all it's doing. It's turning that energy up. And you absolutely can make the choice to work with it or not. I always say try it at least once, see how it feels. And I kind of go along with everything with that, you know, because sometimes you don't think you're gonna like it, but then you do. So it's always like try it out and see. You know, the energy is gonna be a little bit louder. You can look at the zodiac sign, what zodiac that is. Okay, so those traits of that zodiac sign, all that's gonna be a little bit more amplified. What can I do with that energy? Is that an energy I even wanna work, want to work with? You know, if it's like a Pisces eclipse and energy, okay, Pisces Eclipse energy. I'm thinking faster than I'm talking right now. They then, you know, you know that's gonna be heightened emotions. You know that there might be some shadowy things that pop up. Do you do you want to work with that? You have that choice to work with it or not. And if you're like, you know what, I'm gonna bow out of this one, that's totally fine. You can just do the go ahead and work with the next eclipse energy. But don't be afraid of it. People say, oh, it's very chaotic and it's gonna mess everything up and everything's gonna be crazy. No, it's not. Eclipses, we know when the eclipses are gonna happen, just like we know when all the moon phases are gonna happen. You can prepare for it. And so it's not like you're gonna wake up and oh my god, it's an eclipse and everything's dooming and and the you know, world's smoking and all of that. You know what it's doing that anyway. So you might as well take the energy and work with it, right? Like you might as well see what you can do with it. So don't be afraid to work with eclipse energy. Like I said, try it out. If it's for you, it's not. If it's for you, great. If not, great, that's fine. But I I also think that scaring people is not, it's not nice, it's not a good thing, you know. And if it doesn't work for you, fine, but don't scare other people, don't make them think that their their world's gonna crash and burn if they try it out. So I think it's always good to be encouraging and to, you know, give support and give, you know, again, reading and resources and all of those things. I have a whole chapter on eclipses in my book and working with, you know, different moons. So it's it's definitely, you know, I think it's it's worth it, it's worth the shock. Why not?

SPEAKER_00 33:13

I agree. I completely agree. And the whole spreading fear thing, I mean, like the people in this community, we're supposed to be lifting each other up. We're supposed to be spreading correct information, not misinformation. And that includes spreading fear because we already have such a stigma and such a hurdle that we have to get over with all of the non-believers and the people who are just you know closed-minded and still asleep. We don't want to, you know, interfere with each other doing things that, yeah, it might not work for you, but it might work for somebody else. Like give them a chance, like let them just try it out.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Right, right. And you know, it's just it just goes back to if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And you know what? Your thumb works very good, keep scrolling. You know, it's and that itself is magical, you know, to be able to to to kind of control that. And I think, you know, I think it's so hard right now because we have so much information on social media, and this one says this and this one says that, where, you know, and I'm always gonna direct people back to books, back to people and resources and those sort of just don't, you know, don't you don't listen to every reel that you see. And if something is making you question it, you know what? That's awesome. Investigate it, look into it. Because, you know, even in my book, the back of the book, there's seven pages of citations. That means there's seven pages worth of books of different academic websites, science books that I researched to make sure that my information was accurate. And then my publisher went and fact-checked every single one of those, you know. So it and I I don't think people realize that. And, you know, I'm gonna say citations are the bane of my existence. Like they are that is not the fun part of writing books, let me tell you. But they're there for a reason and they're there to let you know, yes, this was fact-checked. This is accurate information so that you know that you can source this, you can use this. It's not just some willy-nilly TikTok of somebody, you know, with a floating background telling you that this is true or this is gonna happen or that's gonna happen. So definitely, you know, take the time to do your research, to look into it, to learn, to understand how it feels in your body and and and go go from there.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Absolutely. I always tell people cite your sources when they tell me something and I'm like, cite your sources, tell me where you got. And Wikipedia is not a credible source. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

No, it is not. No, no, no, no, it is not. And you know, some people will they will fight that, they will stand on that hill, and I'm like, friends, look at that and then look at it in a week and see how that all that information just changed.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

And you know, it it's definitely, and if you don't want to take the time to learn about yourself, learn about your energy, learn about the moon phases, about manifesting, about taking aligned action and all of those things, then you're you're not ready. You're not ready. And don't blame the universe, don't blame all of these other things for not for it not working, you know. And I think that's a big part of it is you have to take accountability, you have to know, you know, and and you know, as you're working through these things, even you know, you start an intention at the beginning of that new moon cycle, and you get halfway through and you're getting to that full moon, and you're you're seeing where your balance is, and it's feeling a little wonky because you're realizing, you know what, I don't really want this anymore. I need to reframe this, I need to redo this. There's nothing wrong with that. Do that and keep moving on, but also realize that that means that you're evolving, you're growing, you're be you're you're shedding an old identity to move into something bigger and better. And that's the whole point, right? We always want to move into something bigger and better.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Yeah, absolutely. And and that's the thing. I always tell people, you know, healthy skepticism is amazing. Like, I'll question everything, literally, question everything and use your discernment and trust your intuition. Like you said, if something seems wonky, if something doesn't sit right with you, find out why and go look it up because one person's truth might not be yours, and that's okay. You need to figure out what works for you because that's going to look different for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Yes, no, absolutely. I mean, everybody's perspective is different, everybody's life experience is different. And, you know, it's great to talk to people and get and hear those experiences and see how they maybe dealt with the situation and all of that. And it might not even be something that you'd ever do in a million years, but you may be talking to somebody a year from now, and they bring up a certain thing, and you're like, oh my gosh, you know what? Somebody I know, they were talking about how they did XYZ and it worked right for them. So by being open and receptive doesn't mean that you have to take everything and do it.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

It's just again that receiving, and you know, your subconscious may store something away for a reason because it might not even be for you. It might be for something, for somebody else down the road.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Absolutely. Awesome. So if somebody wants to find your book or, you know, get a tarot reading from you or whatever other services you provide, how would they how would they find you?

SPEAKER_01 38:41

So the easiest thing to do is just Google Jen Senke. I'm on all the things. Stardust Wanderer Tarot as well. My play a lot on Instagram. I'm I'm really kind of a little bit of everywhere. My website is Stardustwanderer Tarot.com. So, yes, I am very, very easy to find.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on the show today. It was an absolute pleasure to speak with you. This was a great conversation.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

It was. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00 39:15

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