Trauma Toolboxes, Faith & Signs From the Other Side: A Conversation with Darcie Burtch

What does it actually look like to keep moving forward through grief without skipping the parts that need to be felt?

In this episode, Heather Zimmerman sits down with Darcie Burtch, host of The School of Hard Knocks podcast, NLP practitioner, and clinical hypnosis practitioner, for a conversation about trauma, grief, faith, and the signs she believes her father has sent since he passed.

Darcie shares:

Her father's survival of a workplace shooting and the traumatic brain injury that followed, and how years of caregiving delayed her own grieving process

Becoming a certified NLP and hypnosis practitioner after her father's passing gave her the time and the calling to finally do it

Her “reboot time” practice: giving herself permission to fully feel a hard moment, then choosing to keep moving instead of letting it take over the day

What actually helps a grieving friend, and what turns you into an exhausted sounding board instead

Recurring signs she believes are her father reaching out: the number three and 333 appearing everywhere, a green orb with a heart inside it, a blue jay at her door the day she collected his ashes, and a movie that rewound itself to his favorite song

Her two collaborative bestselling books, Empower Her and Empower Her: The Powerhouse Edition

Her Trauma Toolbox Workshop, available in person and over Zoom

Darcie Burtch is the host of The School of Hard Knocks podcast, NLP Practitioner, Clinical Hypnosis Practitioner, and transformational coach dedicated to helping people get unstuck from trauma and grounded in their healing. 

Find Darcie Burtch:

Website: darcieburtch.com

Podcast: The School of Hard Knocks

Books: Empower Her, Empower Her: The Powerhouse Edition 

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SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome to Everything You Need to Know About the Ascension of Humanity, the podcast where ancient wisdom meets modern science and spiritual evolution gets real. I'm Heather, an energy healer, channel, and spiritual coach with Divine Ascension Company. Each week, we're diving deep into the mysteries of human consciousness, spiritual awakening, and the profound transformation happening within us and around us. But here's the thing: we're not doing this with our heads in the clouds. We're bringing neuroscience, psychology, quantum physics, and cutting-edge research to the table, alongside meditation, energy work, and timeless spiritual teachings. Because the truth is, the ascension of humanity isn't some far-off cosmic event. It's happening right now in the choices we make, the awareness we cultivate, and the healing we do within ourselves. Whether you're curious about how mindfulness literally rewires your brain, why shadow work is backed by depth of psychology, or what coherence between your heart and mind actually means scientifically, you're in the right place. We'll explore practices like breath work, meditation, and devotional alchemy. Not as abstract concepts, but as tangible tools grounded in both spiritual wisdom and scientific understanding. And here's where it gets even better. In our bonus episodes, you'll hear from real people sharing real stories. These are the warriors, the healers, the everyday seekers who've walked through their own darkness and found their light. They'll share their breakthroughs, their struggles, and the resources that actually help them along the way. Because personal growth isn't a solo journey, and you deserve to know you're not alone. So whether you're just beginning to question the nature of reality, or you're deep in your spiritual practice, this podcast is your companion on the path. It's time to expand, to awaken, and to rise together. Let's begin. Today's guest lost her father twice in a way. First to a workplace shooting that left him with a traumatic brain injury, and then years later, for good, after she spent that entire stretch as his full-time caregiver. She didn't get to properly grieve the first loss until the second one forced her to do so. Darcy is the host of the School of Hard Knocks podcast, an NLP practitioner, a clinical hypnosis practitioner, and a two-time best-selling collaborative author. She built her trauma toolbox work out of necessity, not theory, and this conversation is full of the kind of practical, no-nonsense grief wisdom you only get from someone who has actually lived it. We talk about the difference between staying stuck and moving forward without skipping the crying, her own reboot practice for processing hard moments without letting them take over the whole day, and how to actually support a friend who's grieving without becoming just another exhausted sounding board. Then we get into something I wanted her to share for a while. The signs she believes her father has been sending since he passed. The number three showing up everywhere. A blue jay at her door the day she picked up his ashes. A movie that rewound itself to his favorite song. Well, I'll just let her tell it.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Alright, guys, welcome back to another episode. Today I have a very special guest. Her name is Darcy. I was just recently on her podcast, and she's such an amazing woman. We had so much amazing things to talk about. I'm really excited for you guys to meet her. How are you doing today, Darcy?

SPEAKER_00 3:56

I'm doing awesome.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

How are you? I'm doing wonderful in this gorgeous, rainy Washington day.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Oh no, we're actually getting blue skies and sun in Wisconsin, so I'm not gonna complain.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Awesome. So why don't you go ahead and get us started and tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do?

SPEAKER_00 4:16

Great. So my name is Darcy. I do live in Wisconsin. I am kind of a jack of all trades. So I am the podcast host of the School of Hard Docs. I'm also an NLP practitioner, success coach, clinical hypnosis practitioner. I work with time management, eliminating, things like that. But my my main goal is to help show people how they can use trauma toolboxes, as I call them, to be able to get over through the hard things that life throws at us.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Yeah, that's amazing. I think that's something that is very much needed right now in this world with everything that we're going through. What's your what's your favorite toolkit tool thing in your toolbox?

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Oh my gosh. I mean, there's just so many of them that I've created, but my favorite one is probably reading the Bible.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Really?

SPEAKER_00 5:14

I mean, yeah, my connection with God has been so strong in the last decade, but in the last six years in particular. So I've gone through something actually fairly traumatic a little over six years ago. And yeah, he was the only one that stayed true and and walked by my side the entire time. So that's my favorite tool.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Awesome. Awesome. So what got you from being an NLP into doing what you're doing now?

SPEAKER_00 5:43

So NLP is something that a really good friend of mine has done for a long period of time already. And she's one of the most amazing women that I've ever met in my life. And she said, Man, you really have the compassion for helping people. There's actual tools that you know you can serve and help people with. And I said, Well, I'll think about it. Cause at that time I was a full-time caregiver for my dad. And I'm like, man, I cannot be taking on all of this stuff. And it wouldn't be right to do it. I don't even have like the manpower to comprehend it at this juncture in my life. Last summer, my husband and I went to a lake house retreat that she had offered. So the NLP and a couple of other things have been done direct to myself, to my husband. But then we got to sit in and watch other people if they were comfortable with it. And it was so emotional to watch people release, you know, pain, hurt, grief, sadness, repress things that they have held on to. I mean, I went there with the with the desire to find peace myself. And I at that time was writing. So I was writing in my very first book. I'm also a two-time best-selling author in a collaborative book that I had done with some other women. So I went to write, but I was so in awe of what was happening, I couldn't even do it. And I thought, oh boy, maybe this is something that I would really enjoy. Well, my dad unfortunately passed away in October of last year. And I have time. So I was like, you know what? Maybe I should fill this void now and this time that I have with something that can continue to benefit the people around me. So I spent the week getting my certificate as a practitioner and working with clients now is almost like healing a little piece of my heart, watching other people be able to reclaim their life back. It's been really special.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Absolutely. That's one of the best parts of the job. I agree. So, how exactly do you help people? What's your process? What tools do you have?

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Well, I mean, if we're talking NLP, NLP is me working with people. I mean, I'm simply a guide. You know, I'm I'm helping you with the things that you already want to do, and I'm just bringing it out of your subconscious to the conscious. When it comes to the podcast, I mean, I don't know if you've listened in, but I mean, we are helping people that are stuck in trauma, that are looking to get grounded in healing. There are so many powerful stories over there from I cannot believe the things that people have gone through in this life. And it has turned into me finally feeling comfortable sharing some of the really hard stuff that I went through before what it happened to my dad even happened, to everybody opening up about their journeys through life and what they've been through and how they've successfully gained ground again. Because that's the that's the hope, right? Like hard things are going to happen. It's whether you choose to stay stuck there or if you're going to get grounded in healing that truly matters.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Yeah, absolutely. 100%. And it's amazing because people, I I think there's this level of expectation when it comes to healing that people are like, oh, it has to be really difficult, or oh, you know, I need medication or oh, whatever. But even just take your podcast, for example, just being able to tell the story and to release it, release that energy. And, you know, and and I know some people don't want to relive their stories, which is fine, but but even just something as simple as talking about it a little bit, it's like taking a huge weight off your shoulders.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

How's that explain? Yeah, I mean, I've had people actually tell me, geez, this conversation felt kind of like therapy. I mean, when you're when you're, you know, in grief, we really burn. And I don't get mad if I say this. Like I always say this on my podcast. Some of this is gonna sting. And if it stings, it means that you need it. That's all. That's like if you cut yourself and you put peroxide on it, you're like, oh shit, that really hurt. You need it to clean the wound, though. Okay. So let's just say that there's no time limit on healing. There's no time limit on grief or pain, but there is a time limit on our life. And if we're gonna choose to stay stuck in a situation, we can't be upset when five, 10 years goes by and you see all of this time that was focused on something I can't fix. It doesn't matter how much I cry, how much I plead, God is never going to say ever, I did not realize that this was going to impact our state like this. I'm gonna put Bill back on earth. Right. That's not gonna happen. Right. So what we tend to do is we tend to stay so stuck in that pain, and then we start burning our people out because our people are like, oh gosh, I feel so bad for her, but I can't fix it either. And it's like every time I see her, she's sad and she's moping and she's crying and she's depressed, and then she'll go through a moment of, I'm fine when we know she's not. You know, like take care of yourself, show yourself grace, be kind to yourself. If you need to cry, cry. If you need to smash something, smash something, write something down and then light it on fire, scream, go out in the woods and like let the deers and everything hear you or wherever you're from, right? Like, don't just sit at home and call your top three people. Do that still, do that, but at least be taking steps forward. It's not gonna make your people around you feel so helpless and hopeless. I mean, think of how you feel when somebody you care about is going through something and they keep calling and they're just broken and you want to help them, but you cannot. It's it's one thing to support somebody when you can see that they're trying to get through it versus trying to support somebody who's just stuck in the mud and spinning their wheels and now we're all frustrated.

SPEAKER_01 11:49

Right. So, speaking of that, like you you put out some some good pointers for someone who's going through the grief. But if let's say that you're you're the friend, you're the support system, and you know someone who's going through a traumatic experience or a bout of grief or you know, frustration in that aspect, what do you suggest that they can do to help actually support their friend who's going through that?

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Always listen. I mean, you you should be if somebody is reaching out to you in their most vulnerable moments, you have to be patient, you have to be kind, right? Because they're they're you're you're their safe person, you're who they're reaching out to, so you don't want to damage that. But I would definitely encourage and promote motivation, you know. Like I think so many of us get stuck in this. Listen, Heather, we've talked about this like 10 times already. And I really gave you everything I have, and I don't know what else to tell you. So let's just stop talking about it. That is like not something you want to be doing, right? Like your approach to somebody like, oh man, Heather, I am so sorry that you know you're still going through what you're going through. You know, have you recently been outside or did you catch the the Grammys the other night? Sometimes just changing the conversation, sometimes just changing the vibe. And some people will yo-yo and come back and be like, Yeah, I saw what was on TV the other night and I still cannot believe that my dad died. I mean, he would have loved how they talked about Ozzy on there. That was like his favorite thing. He loved that kind of music. Yeah, I know. Like, what kind what was his favorite song? Cool. Yeah, have you ever gone to a concert before? Like, keep trying to shift because they need help. If somebody was stuck, like I don't know, like if you live in where there's winter or if you live where there's mud or whatever it is, but wherever a vehicle could get stuck, would you just sit there and watch somebody spin their wheels until there was no rubber left on the wheels to spin? Or would you figure out do we have to push? Do we need to rock? Do we need to put cat litter down? Do we need to call a tow truck? What do we need to do? As somebody's friend and somebody's support person, you still need to arm yourself with the appropriate ways to help your friend. Being the sounding board all of the time isn't helpful, especially when we're like a year in. Once we hit that year mark, if they're still so stuck in it, it's your job as their person. If you want to be their person, which you must because you keep answering the phone, to figure out how you can truly help your person.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Absolutely. So what helped you? You touched briefly on your dad passing away. And I know we talked about this before. What helped you get through that grief period?

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Well, for me, it was a lot of having to just submit and pray. I mean, I there was our background with what happened with my dad was just so tragic and so traumatic from six years ago that I had a I had been grieving this whole entire time, but I was so intimately involved in my dad's care that I wasn't even able to actually grieve what even happened in the first place. So I started to shift how I was treating myself because I used to pride myself that I used to wear a superwoman cape, and I think a lot of us do, right? Like, oh my gosh, I've got the kids, I've got the dishes, I've got dinner, the husband's happy, the you know, the plants outside have been watered in my school people, and I mean just so many different things that we think that we should hold on to. That's ridiculous. Like I in my trauma toolbox workshop that I coach, I actually have a visual that we go through and we take that thing off and we put it away. We don't throw it away because it's still a part of us, but put it away because we are not super women, and there's nothing wrong with that. We're human, right? We were built to be human. So I thought I'm doing this differently. The way that I process through things, I'm gonna do it differently this time because I want to heal appropriately. So three days in, I couldn't sit in my living room for the first few days because my dad's recliner and I would just, you know, it was activator, activator, activator the whole entire time. So I took myself out of the situation, and my bedroom is my safe place. My three dogs enjoy that too. They all lay out on the bed right next to me. Right. And I'm in my safe place for three days. And then I thought, okay, this is this is ridiculous. It's three days. You're not just gonna stay upstairs all the time. So I came walking down the stairs, and my husband was playing in Led Zeppelin. My dad loved Led Zeppelin, and I have where my stairwell is. I could have looked to the right, and my dad should have been sitting there. And I remember saying, Don't even look because you know he's not gonna be sitting there, just keep walking. And I walked into the dining room, the kitchen, and went out in the garage and started deep breathing and going, You're fine, you're fine, like everything's fine. And then I thought, what the actual F are you saying to yourself? You're not fine. Your dad just died three days ago. You found your dad three days ago, Darcy. Treat yourself gently, like it's okay to cry. It's okay to be in this moment. And I did like it was like this little girl cry, just scream, crying. And my husband came running out, panicked, like, what's happening? And I said it was the it was the music, it was the music, and he's like, Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I didn't even think. And I said, No, babe, you're doing what you have to do to process through losing your father-in-law that he was also taking care of, you know. So you do that. That's not you. I just needed to have a moment, and I allowed myself to have a moment, and then that's it. I've really practiced that. I'm not allowing this to go on all day, all week, all month, all year on my life. I am making the physical choice to say, Whew, okay, we got that out. What are we doing? We have to make lunch or something now, and let's keep going.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

So instead of allowing it to take up the whole entire afternoon, give yourself that moment, shake it off, take a deep breath and keep moving because we can do it. We can do it. It's just easier to say, I was just activated. Now I have to grab my blanket and go and sit on the sofa and watch like Hallmark movies all day long. No, you don't. You don't. You can take a deep breath and go, oof, gosh, that was rough, but what's next?

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Yeah. That sounds a little bit more. I want to say productive, but I don't think that's the right word because that has an insinuation that you have to be actually producing something, but it seems more conducive for healing than you know, letting it get stuck. And I think that's that's one of the most difficult parts about you know, grief and loss and addiction and you know, these these states of mind that we get into. Even I was just talking about this yesterday, even you know, receiving a medical diagnosis, we we have a tendency to allow that to become our identity, and then we get stuck in that loop. And it's like, but are you happy there? Like you have the power to change that. And yes, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna take work, and you know, there's gonna be tears, there's gonna be anger and frustration, but you can get through it, so that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Yeah, it's forward movement, it's not really like having to be productive, it's forward movement, it's progress. Yes, every single day when you when you realize you know, I call it my reboot time, actually. My we reboot time when this first happened in our life was days sometimes where I wouldn't shower, I would eat horribly, I would cry until I was like, how is there even liquid left in there? Right. What is even happening? You know, like I don't know if you ever cried so hard. You're like actually dehydrated. You're like, why am I drinking all of this water? And then it's all just pouring out because I'm crying so much. My reboot time now. I mean, if I clock it, I used to say it's 20 minutes or less. I'm probably right around 15 minutes. Nice, you know, and I don't clock it. I'm not like looking at the time, like, all right, cry for 15 minutes, but I'm not doing that. I just realized once I'm able to do this. Oh, okay, that was good job. And then I celebrate me. Like, good job, way to go, loving yourself and taking care of yourself and having that moment, Darcy. Like, good job. I it sounds so like weird to do. Like, people are like, oh, this woman be talking to herself. Hell yeah, talking to myself. Who else is telling me they're proud of me for what I'm doing? Nobody, right? Nobody is gonna say, wow, you've processed through this loss with your dad so well. We're so proud of you. Actually, what I'm hearing is what's going on? This is weird. Like you, your dad just died six months ago. Why are you like your makeup's on? You're still podcasting, you're still writing, you're still how? How is that possible? You know, and that can be offensive. Like, what are you implying that I don't care?

SPEAKER_01 21:19

Right. Is that what you're implying? Everybody goes through their own process. And and that's the thing. Like, you you did it's not like you didn't have that period, right? They just weren't there to witness it. So, and you didn't let it take over. And so, yeah, that's that's amazing. So, I wanted to talk about after your dad passed away. We were we we touched on this briefly when I was on your show, but but the paranormal experiences that you've had since then. I I kind of want to hear more about that if you're willing to share.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

I mean, oh my gosh, I have quite a few of them. So when my dad, my dad was a survivor of a workplace shooting October 3rd, 2009. 19, the day that he was shot, he has $301 in his pocket, which is so weird. Like, why $301? That is so weird. So that happened. And then as I started like going through processing through things, the number three kept popping up, kept popping up. And when I went down to Chicago with my dad, uh, so he could get some brain rehab, he ended up with a traumatic brain injury from the shooting that happened from the way he fell. The bus route that was coming around was number three, and it was like 333 on a lot of my receipts. And I'm just like, what is this? And one of my fathers told me it's the Trinity, it's the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I'm like, oh my gosh, like I should really start looking out for that more, you know. Well, after I told my dad this about the three things, so he knew my dad's disability with his TBI was more physical than mental. So I told him about it. So uh not five days after my dad passed away, I said, let's go and do the chairlift at Red Mountain, which is a mountain here in my area. And I've done this before, but I never noticed as we were going that they had like numbers on all of like the bigger platforms as you're going up. So I'm coming down and I'm like, you know, dad, if you're here with us in my mind, you know, stop us outside of the one that's three. And I'm like getting excited about it. Like, ooh, I know my dad, and he's like super strong willed and stop. And I'm like waiting for it, and we soar right past it. And I'm like, oh, well, that was disappointing. Well, then we get to the bottom, and the guy's like, Do you guys want to go around again? And we've done this several times and I've never been asked, Do you want to go back up the mountain and come down again? So I said, Yeah, I mean, why not? Great, thanks so much for that. So we go up and we're going up and we stop and we stop right outside of the number three. Of course. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like, oh my god, my husband. I'm like, do you see where we just stopped? And I like grabbed my camera to take a photo. What was so cool when we got home because the biggest greenish orb that was uh next to this three, that as people started looking at, they're like, Did you notice that there's a heart inside of that green orb? I said, What? Well, then we left there and we went to Cole's so that I could return something. Of course, number three was the only register that was open. So then it was like, okay, he's showing me things like three, cool. Well, then, like three, four weeks into it, he kept knocking the basket off of the back of the toilet in the bathroom that was his. I couldn't figure it out. Like it was this really cute basket, and it was just flipped over all of the time. All and we could hear it. So I said one day, I'm like, Dad, you like just not like not like the basket there? Because I put feminine products in it now. Like, are you offended? Like, this used to be my bathroom. I'm like, what's going on? So then I'm like telling people about it, and then you get people who are like, Oh, you, you know, maybe you're reaching, you know, I know you're really missing your dad. I'm like, okay. Well, then he must have got irritated about that because instead of just forward, he slid it all the way across so it landed in the wastebasket. I said, Oh my gosh, okay. So, you know, the day I picked his ashes up, we came home with his ashes, and my alarm went off that somebody was at the door when we were gone. So I pulled the video and there is this bluebird. It's a blue jay that's standing there, like looking right in the camera, moving his head around almost like beat you home. And I knew it was my dad because his password, his bank account was bluebird. So I'm like, oh, okay. I wonder if my dad came back like as a bluebird or a blue jay, and this is how he's doing it. Well, most recently, my husband and I are watching Days to Confuse because why would you not? That's like such a great movie. And one of my dad's favorite songs is Strangle Hold by Ten Nugent. Okay. And it's so we're all the way through the movie. If you've seen Days to Confuse, you already know they're up at the water tower and they're partying up there. So this is way into it. So all of a sudden, Stranglehold starts and it plays, and then the movie stops and rewinds itself right to the beginning of the song again. I said, Oh my gosh. So it's just been even when you were on my podcast, you and I were just having like this chat, and I was talking about my dad. We were having a nice dorm, but we have been having a nice dorm for the whole entire time we were chatting. And then all of a sudden, I'm talking about my dad, and all of the lights just like shut off, and Heather's like, hello. And then I was back, but my pink sign was still off. So I mean, just the amount of times that he has showed up just everywhere, all of the time it's been amazing. Awesome. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

And so did you believe because you have such a strong religious belief, did you believe in the afterlife before this and and spirits?

SPEAKER_00 27:10

I mean, I believe that people are still able to visit. Yeah, I believe that, you know, in my mind, I've always believed that God allows you to still feel comforted. You know, like I think that that's the whole thing is God's a good God and He wants you to feel comforted. I don't, I've never seen like an actual spirit type of thing, but I know what I feel. And I know that when you are going through things, that your mind is more open to receiving these things. You know, I think that some people close down because they don't want to feel it, but I was definitely opening it and I almost expected it. You know, I think that that's the other thing. Like before my dad passed away, we didn't know he was gonna die. But I mean, we had talked about this. If God ever calls you home, just go home, dad. Like I'm always gonna be okay. But make sure that you check in with me periodically so that you know I know you're okay and you made it, you know, up there. So I think I was kind of anticipating it too. And it's just been so many times there's no other reason that it could have happened.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

Yeah, that's amazing. That's awesome that he's come back to check on you. And and in ways that you totally picked up on too, because I think the the signs that we do have loved ones around us, our spirit guides, ancestors, deceased loved ones that do come and check on us, I think it happens way more often than we we realize because we don't always pick up on the signal. So that's that's amazing that he was able to use signs that you you were able to pick up on right away. Yeah. Awesome. So why don't you tell us a little bit more about your workshop and your books and and tell us, you know, how we can find you.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

So there's two different books, Empower Her, Volume One, and then Empower Her, the Powerhouse Edition. These are collaborative books that I've done with 24 other women, where we're all talking basically from like a grit to grays type of story, the hard things that we've gone through in our life and all of that stuff. And then the podcast is the school of hard knocks. So I'm everywhere that you stream. You can find me every single place there. The trauma toolbox workshop. So I can do it in person, but Zoom is, you know, equally cool opportunity for me to gather a group of women together to be able to do these workshops. Same thing with NLP. I mean, I was even I was a little bit skeptical when my coach friend was like, you know what? You can actually do NLP on Zoom because again, you're not doing it. You're working with them, they're actually doing it. So that's a really cool opportunity, too, to be able to work with people over a Zoom call to help them with whatever it is they're looking to release. It's not just, you know, people who are dealing with grief, pain, anger, pain, all of this kind of stuff. I've helped people that wanted to stop eating chocolate. I've helped people who wanted to, you know, stop drinking soda, quit smoking cigarettes. So it's basically whatever it is, be more determined, motivated. You know, that's another really big one for people. So it's it's a pretty open field of what it is I'm able to help with.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, that that level of accountability, I think, really helps, you know, even for me, because you know, I'm I'm a coach and a healer. But when it comes to myself, having that other person to kind of hold you accountable really helps with that determination and motivation a hundred percent. Definitely. Awesome. So do you have a website where people can find you?

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Darcybarch.com. That'll take you to where you can find me in all the places, but I'm literally everywhere. I mean, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, I'm even on TikTok. That thing is so addicting sometimes, but I'm there.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on the show today. It was an amazing pleasure to talk with you again. And yeah, I hope that you continue to hear from your father and that that you know continues to be a beautiful relationship, even though you can't see him anymore. You know he's there. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Yeah. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

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