Mike Pietrzak on Slow Business, Money Mindset & Letting the Universe Co-Create With You

What If Feeling Good Was the Whole Strategy?

On this week's episode of An Intuitive Life, I sat down with Mike, conscious entrepreneur and founder of seven companies, for an honest conversation about building a business (and life) from flow instead of force.

We talked about:

→ Why you cannot hustle a manifestation (and what to do instead) 

→ The limiting money beliefs quietly running most entrepreneurs' businesses 

→ How his wife's nervous system transformed as their financial reality did 

→ Why your body is the most accurate decision-making tool you will ever own 

→ The marriage of AI and human wisdom, and the line he refuses to cross with technology

Connect with Mike

• Take his Zone of Genius Assessment (60 seconds)
• Find Mike on Instagram

Resources & Links Mentioned

• Super Attractor by Gabrielle Bernstein
• The E-Myth Revisited
• Jen Sincero — You Are a Badass at Making Money

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome back to an intuitive life. This is Elena Lipson, your intuitive coach and mentor. And we have another interview for you today. Another gentleman is joining us. I would love to introduce you to Mike. He's a business mentor to conscious entrepreneurs. He helps business owners make more time, more sorry, more money with less time. More time is good too. Well, and more time, too. And more time, right? In the last 20 years, he's founded seven companies, which I I went through all your website. I'm like, okay, there's so much here. So besides this conversation, I will link your website because I do think you have a very unique background. We'll we'll totally get into that too.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Um, and he helps others create their dream life. So welcome, Mike. And I I didn't pronounce your last name because I don't worry about second, I'm like, I'm gonna get it wrong. Can you say it's a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 0:48

It's complicated. It's Piaczuk, not at all like it's spelled. But in Poland, I'm like a Smith, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Awesome. Okay, so Piaczuk. It's easy to say once you know the different combinations of letters. Um, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

And I'm exactly I'm excited to be here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Yeah, yeah. So I was just sharing before we started recording that I was trying to think back to where where I first found you and what sort of resonated most. And I think um I've mostly worked with women in the industry. I've had some male entrepreneurs, some male clients. My very first coaching client, I will go way back. I was 24, just turning 25, and I was referred to this male client CEO, and I was sweating on the first call because I'm like, what do I have to offer to this person? But it was a really refreshing year of coaching, and it was very much on mindset and energy way back then, and it was all about presence. And he was dealing with some just some stress, stress around his, you know, the the company he was working for. And at the end of that year, we met in person. I was like, oh my gosh, he's gonna freak out when he sees how old I am. But no, it was great. I think he was in his 50s, and um yeah, it was just a really great reminder that so much of what we bring to the table is not about the credentials. Well, credentials are great because you have to have the expertise and experience. And by 25, I was I was already in the corporate world, had already been a manager for a beauty salon, had already had quite a bit of work experience. So I did bring quite a bit to the table, but I'm I'm mentioning that because I think a lot of what drew me to you was this energy of how you show up in your business and what is possible when you slow down enough to really manage your own presence. Like you share videos of going to the water in the morning, of you know, really impacting your family. And a recent video, which I do want to talk about too, was your wife's nervous system as your business grew, which was fascinating to me. So I definitely want to talk about that too. But I would love to just hear you share your background and how you got to what you're doing now.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

Well, I love this this the way we're going so far. Um, you're you're absolutely right. Um, there I think slow is the new hustle. I think hustle has been dead for a long time, if it ever was a thing that we should be pursuing. Um I guess I'll start here. So I a few years ago, it was over Christmas time, I hit a wall and I was just done. I was running, I think, three businesses and part-time teaching in a college, and had my coaching clients, and had a like a two-year-old at home. So I said, I can't do this anymore. And I said, It's time to slow down. And and I knew in my gut, like, I can't keep doing this anymore. We have we have to change something. I can't keep pushing. So I I just slowed right down and and serendipity led me to a book. It was one of those books in the little library at the side of the road. I don't know why we stopped, but I think it was my wife grabbed me. She's like, Oh, this looks great. And I was like immediately drawn to it. It was Gabrielle Bernstein's Super Attractor. I don't know if you've read that one. I've read most of her books. She's fantastic. And there was a line in there that blew my freaking mind off. It was um, people who prioritize feeling good and having fun are the most successful. And I was like, that resonates so much because what it had been doing up until this point, which is push, push, push, it was creating a little bit of wealth, but it was not sustainable and I wasn't happy. And so as soon as I heard that line, it kind of opened the door and empowered me to try something different. I leaned into it. I made it like my I wrote it on my wall. It was my top priority. It still is feel good and have fun. Because when you do that, you're able to sort of be more magnetic to your clients. You're able to enjoy life more, which brings more opportunities to you, which makes people want to be with you. It just and and also it creates this vibration in you that magnetizes good opportunities to you. So I was very fortunate that I listened to the intuition to change things and just went for it. And I still struggle with this, actually. I still struggle with going back to hustle mode and wanting to do it the old way. I guess maybe you could call it like the the masculine competitive uh push, hard charging way. But that's only useful in certain instances, and you gotta have much more balance in your life about creating things from flow and ease and joy and peace.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

Yeah, it is so counter-culture. Even in a culture where we're all sort of like, we get it. We get we get what manifestation is. We get that when we're feeling good, we get we have a different perspective. But I do think there's that deeply buried, or maybe not so buried, idea that the harder you work, the more you make, the more opportunities come. It really is because it's been so pervasive over the last, you know, 50, 100 years. I mean, forever. We are a working country, right? Like we work, we're like my family's an immigrant family. Like there was no space and time for like having the conversation or reflecting on your spirituality, just wasn't there. So when I hear you say that, and and part of me knows it, and and you and I chatted recently because I was looking into coaching with you, and I still very much am. I and I realized very quickly, even though I've been doing this for a long, long time, I've had this really deeply under sort of lying belief that I am responsible for creating everything, which there's a dark side to that and a light side to that. The light side is I am a co-creator and I get to just be, have fun, be as much of myself as possible, show up, do the work that I want to do. But on the dark side of that, it's like if I don't do anything, nothing gets done. I have to be the one to do it. And I even had this deep-seated belief that like all ideas have to come from me. And I'm just trying to untie that one so much. So, so tell me, how did that realization become action and what did that look like in your life and business?

SPEAKER_02 6:33

You you hit on a really amazing term there, which is co-creation. I think a lot of people, when they start to learn about manifestation, they get into a um a dead end where it's like, if I can create my own universe, create my own reality with my thoughts and my emotions, then I need to force it. And basically, what those people are doing is taking the old model of hustle and push and pull yourself up by your bootstraps and hyperindependence and just pasting that on top of the manifestation stuff, which is exactly what I did in the beginning. I thought, I listened to, I don't know, probably 300 Abraham Hicks podcast episodes. I wanted to know every little last detail of how to do it, what I can control. But what I wasn't hearing properly was that this stuff actually happens at step three, I guess, when you just let go and you relax, because you're not creating all of this. There is source, which is infinitely more powerful than you are as one little soul in this world. So I think the key is now you've got to surrender. Surrender has been a word for me for decades, and I'm still learning this. But when you're able to surrender and let go of the control or let let go of needing a certain outcome to happen and realize that, hey, the universe actually knows what you want. Don't worry about that. And it's gonna help you get it if you can allow it. So all this work for me is more about allowing rather than forcing anything. Of course, you want to take action, but it needs to be aligned action. It needs to be action from where you're going downstream instead of swimming upstream. So that's that's kind of where I stand with that.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Yeah, I love that. Because you can really hustle manifestation, you can hustle spirituality.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

I try. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

I remember being at a retreat years ago and um with a really great mentor, and she was, it was like a very spiritually based retreat. We were learning all these really cool skills. We were working on our business as well. And there was this one woman there, she's like, Okay, give me the 10 steps to this. And I'm like, wow, I could I could just feel the tension of like just give me the exact meditation, the breath work exercise, and then yeah. Yeah, and I can I could feel that you know, that tinge of truth to what she was doing because she was trying to really get it right. And I think that's what we all want to do, is get it right. So, how do you navigate like in your work if feeling good and having fun is it? Like, how do you decide? How do you make decisions in moving forward? Because I'm obsessed with decision making. I think it's a really fascinating brain, body, energy like task. How do you make decisions now from this new perspective?

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Um, it's a great question. Um, I guess to articulate this, so you you mentioned body. I think for me, that's one of the now the most important signals that I can ever get is the the uh messages coming from your body. I was really bad at this for my entire life. I I sort of I had this first-year psychology professor introduced me to the scientific method, Dr. Ennis, Richard Ennis. And it was fascinating. It was like, we can't know something unless there's been, you know, tests and studies and peer-reviewed. And I became a basically um a materialist fully. I let go of all any kind of spiritual beliefs I had for a long time. It was years later that I was sitting with my wife in a brunch place, and she was arguing something from the spiritualist perspective. I was arguing from the materialist, thinking she's kind of being silly. But then all of a sudden I had this like hit of intuition that I don't believe what I'm saying. I don't believe it. I actually am at my heart, I'm a very um intuitive, spiritual, non-simply physical-based uh being. And I and I know that there's serendipity, there's um the law of attraction, there's there's meaning behind what we can see, whether it's with our eyes or with our instruments. So I had to kind of re-um relearn, I suppose, how to listen to my intuition. And lately, I'm getting the message that a lot of it's coming through the body. I went to an event the other night, I shouldn't have gone. It was something that I'd been to before. I don't enjoy it, I don't, I don't really feel comfortable. There was a bunch of anxiety in my body. I shouldn't have gone. So I went anyway, I felt awful the whole time. I came home just drained. The next day I was like in a in a spiritual hole. So that was one other lesson for me that listen to your body because it's never wrong. If you're if you're getting this hit that like, I shouldn't do that, or I really am uh this is appealing, I desire this, listen. We don't use that as the only um guide, I would say. There, you know, we we've been blessed with intellect and and intuition. But I would say that for me, that's what most people are lacking. It's they they're very strong in the mind, but not so strong on the uh the the non-logical arts.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Yeah, or they place more more weight on what your mind says versus the body. And I think there's such a nuance there because there's nothing wrong with making an intellectual decision. Yeah, but I do think we're we're in a time where we have to be embodied. We really have to have that like tuning fork so attuned so that we know is this AI, is this a person? Is this for me? Is this not for me? Like there's so much and there's so much potential. Like, you can, you know, I I really do miss the day sometimes where like the news just came on at 5 p.m. and 9 p.m. Then you went to bed, right? Like I tell my son, I'm like, do you know he's 20 now, he'll be 21. I'm like, let me just frame this for you, what life could be like. Because he's also like, he's sort of in a love-hate relationship with scrolling, you know, he's like, he just he can't stop doing it. Yeah, you can't stop doing it, but you also understand there's something beside it. So, because of that, I do think it's so important to like attune to what our body knows and also to understand that sometimes that anxiety could be fear. So, like having a practice with your body, like I love how you're you share, and as a as a business coach, I love that you share going to the water no matter what, or going into nature no matter what, first thing. Cause really that is such a huge place to attune to real, real, real.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

You're absolutely right. Let me let me go deeper on that. So, some of the practices that I've started using in this new phase of feeling good and having fun is yes, go to the water. I know for me that that always feels good. I need to be by the water, especially early in the morning. Getting up at five and going somewhere, that that starts my day right. Taking a break, you know, uh knowing that, hey, uh, I'm not feeling the work right now. It's perfectly okay for me to take a break. Even if you're employed at a nine to five, usually you can at least get up for 10 minutes and go for a walk. And you'll come back and the email that you write will be that much better. Taking breaks, doing what you love in life. I mean, I'm lucky uh in as a business owner, I get to only choose the things that I want to do. And it's such it's such a privilege. But I I encourage everyone to move in that direction because if your life is just a series of things that you've chosen, then that's that's the best life ever. That's that's beauty. That's you know, sky's the limit. And then if you can get paid for that, that's that's the cherry on the on on top. So I think that's that's how I make decisions these days is put myself in a good place first and then decide.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Um, I'd love to change direction a little bit and really talk about like your work specifically. So, two questions. One is what lights you up most about the work you're doing with clients, and then who are the clients? I know I was drawn to you for specific reasons, but um, I know you've got you know, community that you work with, you do really high-level one-on-one work. Who's coming to you? What do you see as their current sort of edge where they need some support?

SPEAKER_02 13:38

Okay. I'll start, I'll start there and I'll backtrack to to the work that I do. So the people that tend to find me are the ones that have they're small business owners, they have usually fewer than 10 employees. Oftentimes it's just a solopreneur, and which I love working with people who are kind of at the beginning phases, um, people who are doing some good in the world. If you have uh a motivation greater than money, come on over. I I love that. I love working with people who are doing something great in the world. And that might be just, I want to provide a better life for my child. That's that's doing great work in the world. It doesn't have to be curing cancer, it doesn't have to be solving uh poverty, but if you have a good intention, I think that we're gonna be fit. Um, you mentioned working mostly with with women. I I actually work mostly with women too. So for some reason, I think I just vibe more often with women. So there's a lot of women coming into my world. People usually in their their mid to to yeah, midlife, I would say. Um people who have maybe already had some success in a career or in their business, but they want to do the next thing. They want to grow, and they want to grow in a way that's it's not just about the money. Like we love money, don't get me wrong. But if your primary motivation is money, you will always keep the money away from you. So, what's the solution? Well, you gotta prioritize your passion. And I know a lot of people say, don't follow your passion, that's a terrible advice. No, follow your passion. You're gonna die one day. You might as well do what you love to do. So follow your passion absolutely. And you will run circles around the business owners that are that said, Oh, I just, you know, I did the analysis and this is the business I should be in. Sorry, but you're you're gonna run circles around those people. Follow your passion, do what you love. Um, and and how do how do we do this? So I work with people one-on-one mostly. It's it's one-on-one. We usually start with a very deep dive into okay, what is going on in your business? What's going on in your life? Because there's no division between business and life, it's all just life. And so we get a clear picture of where you're at. Then these people tell me, okay, where are we, where do I want to go? What do I want to create? And we go for the vision, the big picture vision, a year out, five years out. What do we actually want to do with my life? Not just how many more customers do I want to do I want to get, but like why? What's the purpose? You know, we want to build a business that supports your ideal lifestyle. Not that your lifestyle has to serve your business. That's that's insane. So I tend to attract people that have this real, it's not even clear sometimes, but just it's a knowing. It's a knowing that I want something in life, and and I have an inkling about what it what it is, but I need clarity on what where how to form that into something real and how to go get it. And then we get into the nuts and bolts. We'll get into systems and strategies and how to use AI. I love AI. Um, I think AI can be a spiritual tool. That's a whole other conversation. But um, helping people then go the quickest route from here's what I want to now I've got it. That's what I love to do. It's very rewarding work.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Yeah, I love that. And then so that is that what lights you up the most is having someone like create the vision, be the vision, live the vision. Like, what is it about that work that really makes you satisfied?

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Well, I mean, this this might trigger some people, but I would say what lights me up most is helping people get the money. A lot of people still have a whole whack and ton of not great money beliefs. But and and I've had to learn this too, because I came from a family that was we can't afford it, um, rich people are kind of jerks. You know, I had to unlearn all this stuff. And what I know now is that money helps you become your best self. Money can be a spiritual tool. Money can let you do all the spiritual work without having to worry about your survival. Because if you're in survival mode, how are you gonna achieve your best self? You know, you could go live in a cave in Tibet, but it's not for everybody. So I would say having wealth, abundance, resources allows you to become a greater person and to pursue a bigger mission because a lot of people that that's what they're all about, is they want to pursue the mission. And so having resources opens up a ton of doors. And so I do a lot of money mindset work. Um, people don't even realize sometimes the the things that they believe that are blocking the money from from themselves. So that's that's for me, that's very rewarding to see someone have that life bulb moment. I'm sure you've seen this in your coaching too. It's like you know, when someone just has something click for them, and then they go do something different, and everything in their life changes.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

For sure. And I do think that the the really cool thing about that is it usually is the small habits that make the biggest difference. Yeah, right. Those little like access points, that that little portal into wait a minute, I feel different now. And now I could bring that feeling with me into other areas of my life and the decisions that I'm making. So, what are like what would be like one or two of your favorite mindset money practices that actually work for people?

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Ooh, yeah, I'm I'm glad you got into this because I actually let's let's talk about it from the other way. Uh, I'll tell I'll tell you about my greatest hits of limiting money beliefs, and then we can talk about the opposite. So the the things I hear a lot is I can't afford it, right? And as soon as you say I can't afford it, you're sending instructions to the universe. Okay, well, you can't afford it, so we're just gonna keep that money away from you. Second thing is, you know, if I'm rich, then uh someone else has to be poor. There's this really insidious belief that um wealthy people are keeping poor people down. There's some political arguments we can make about that, but in general, like that's not how the universe works. The universe works in the way that oh, sorry, my phone's ringing. I thought I'd turn that off. Um what what I believe, sorry, getting you back here.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

No, I couldn't even hear it at all.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

That's great. What I believe is that if I become more wealthy, that is actually an example for other people to follow. So it's almost like a sacred duty for you to become wealthy to show other people what's possible. It would be like saying, you know, I can't get too healthy because then I'm gonna take health away from someone else. It's nonsense. We live in an infinite, eternal universe. So there's no, there's no shortage, right? Um, other greatest hits, rich people are assholes. If you believe that, you're not gonna be rich because you don't want to be an asshole. Who does, right? I'm not good with money, or I don't trust myself with money. Um, that's not a helpful belief. So we gotta um help you prove to yourself through action that, oh, actually, you know what, there are many examples of where I've been good at money with money and where I am good at with money. Ooh, another one. Having money isn't spiritual. Hear this a lot from people in the sort of running businesses in yoga, breath work, all the wellness spiritual space. Having money isn't spiritual. I would argue that actually everything is spiritual. Spirituality is not going to retreat and doing some kind of esoteric uh practices. Um, dropping your kid off at school is spiritual. Um having a fight with your spouse is spiritual. Everything is spiritual because we're we're a spirit in this material world. And so um if money isn't spiritual, I I don't know what is because money to me seems like a great um it's it's great proof that you're in alignment with the universe. If you're not getting the money, there's some mismatch between where you are and and the universe, because the universe is by nature is abundant and infinite and unlimited. So so money is very spiritual. And I could go on, but I think those are the probably the ones I hear most.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Yeah, for sure. I mean, even if you think of like Mother Teresa, she was funded in the millionth, right? In order to do her work, in order to do her soul God ordained work, she had to have funding to travel and to be able to do the work. So I I remember having that conversation years ago with a yoga teacher who was like a psychiatrist, and we're just having this sort of ethical discussion around money and creation. And and yeah, when I heard that for the first time years ago, I was like, oh, right. Like Gandhi was funded, Mother Teresa was funded, like as spiritual as you can get, right? Like they had to have the resources to be able to live this life and to do the work that they were here and the call to do. Um, so I do think there's if it's one of these things that like everyone deals with some version of it. So it has to be some like some kind of spiritual school that we're here to learn. Because if everyone, whatever end of the spectrum you're on, whether you have nothing or you have a shit ton of money, like there's there's lessons in each one. And there's sometimes a full disconnect with happiness and spirituality, and sometimes you could be the happiest with less or the worst with more, and everything in between.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, money can't make you feel fulfilled. It can't, you know, when people say money can't buy happiness, I can think of a million examples of where it does. I mean, you know, I we went to my family and we we spent a month in Costa Rica last year. And that money brought us a lot of happiness. It was a lot of fun. It was so much fun. Did it did it buy me fulfillment? No. But those are two separate things. And so I think a lot of people they they confuse those two things. And I will just say this that we never want money to be our primary goal. I mean, first of all, it's going to keep it away, but it really will become an obsession. It will become a way to maybe block your happiness. So money is like a vehicle, it's a tool. And if you treat it like that, then you don't attach any kind of emotional meaning to it. Money can be your best friend.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Yeah. What do you think made the most difference for you in terms of like your own mindset in allowing it to flow that much more in your business?

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Well, it wasn't one of these like, you know, aha libel moments. It was, it was a whole lot of uh reading books. I read, I've read, I don't know how many dozens of books about money. And every time I do, you learn something more about how to treat it well, how to make it, how to attract it. Um, I mean, that that's a whole other many hours-long discussion about what was the content of those books, but you know, um, I can send you some recommendations after if you're interested.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yeah, for sure. I just I'm gonna reread another one just recently. I had this sort of little intuitive hit to reread uh Jen Sinchero's You Are Badass with Money. I'm like, oh in a couple years. I think there was some cool nuggets in there because I do think at every level that you get to, right, there's like everything. You get a brand new shiny car, it's normalized within a few months, right? You you start making this amount of money. It and it's it seems really weird to say this, and maybe a little bit of that, like, oh yeah, prove it. But like you do start making more money, it's like it does get normalized, and then you just want the next thing and the next thing. And that really is how we're wired, right? Where we sort of normalize to the level we're at, and then we just are not super satisfied anymore, and we want to get to the next thing.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

I do think that's a really normal that is something that causes a lot of um unhappiness for people when when you you don't stay in this um attitude of gratitude, you know, or or I'd prefer appreciation as a word. Um, I I and I think the the best way I've heard this said to to be happy is we are extremely grateful for everything we have and needing nothing, but ready to receive so much more. And that's that's an attitude I try to cultivate. I'm not always successful because you know I want things and things don't go my way all the time, but but just to to be perfectly happy with what you have and not not only happy, but like extremely thankful to the universe for all this abundance. And you can you can feel that at any level of of wealth. You can have a dollar in the bank, you can be a million dollars in debt, you can still choose to feel extremely happy and grateful where you are. And and that attitude seems to actually bring more good stuff to you. So I really like that as a practice gravity.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Like not needing it to be happy, but just like, oh, you have values, you have goals, you have family, you know, goals that you want to create. I'd love to talk about that reel you did weeks ago. Oh, sure. I'm curious about the reaction. You shared that as you made more in your business, that your wife's nervous system relaxed and you can see a difference in her. And I think that's a cool, like you can do it in a couple situation, but I also think you can do it for an individual, right? Like your own nervous system is affected by having or not having, or perceiving that you have or not having. So I'd love to hear a little bit about that and what the story is behind that.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Oh, absolutely. Happy to have you share. So, full disclosure, my wife and I, we've we've been in uh tough financial times um years ago, um, where you know, we were we were not sure we were gonna make our mortgage a certain month. Um, everything turned around after that, thankfully. But for a long time it was it was a financial challenge. And you know what that does to relationship? I mean, money is statistically the number one thing that couples fight about. I forget what the second thing is, it's probably jealousy, but the number one thing is money. And so my wife and I were trying to be responsible financial managers, so we'd have a financial meeting every month, first Monday of the month or something like that. We still do it. And I dreaded it. I was literally like my nervous system was just all red alert because we'd always without fail get into a fight. Because when the money's not there, it's very easy to feel fear, um, uh panic. Uh, what are we gonna do? Right. And it's very hard to have a productive conversation in those. So we'd we would, you know, for a period of like six months, we'd every month we'd fight about this, fight, fight, fight. And and in between those, those meetings too. Fast forward today, money is really not an issue. Very, very thankful, very grateful, very privileged to be in the position we are. Um, and and we don't fight about money. Now we've we've changed a lot of the way we talk to each other. We've been in counseling, I've done my therapy, she's done her therapy. But I would attribute a lot of this this lack of fighting about money to we just have money. And it's so, and more money keeps coming. It's so it's so such a blessing because now my wife, I can see you can see it literally, that now that we're not worrying about money, my wife can relax. She doesn't have to work if she doesn't want to. Um she can take the day off, do whatever she wants, she can buy the things she wants. Um, and she she knows that we're taken care of. So that's been one of the best unexpected um outcomes of creating some abundance is that my wife's not happy. She told me yesterday, I'm happy. She can't out of the blue, I'm happy. You know, and it wasn't like that before. Um, to have a spouse who is is happy is such an incredible blessing.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

For sure. What would you say to someone who's like on that on that edge of like, I could see it, I can feel it, I'd love to get there. Like, what is what is the bridge? What can I start doing today to start adopting that that at least direction to feeling more at peace with okay?

SPEAKER_02 27:38

I'll I'll give I'll give people sort of uh the steps to hear. So I would say number one step is really deeply truly understand that you are the creator of your life. Not just in words, but to really understand that everything you say and do leads to an outcome in your external world, your your physical world. Um that's the law of attraction, right? What you think and feel attracts your reality. So if I if I feel like I'm abundant, I will attract abundance. If I feel like I'm um unsafe, I will uh attract some kind of unsafe experience, right? It just that's how it works. Whether you know it or not, it's it's operating. So that's that's step one is to know that you you are a creator. I would say the the next thing is become very clear on what you want. If you are not clear about your vision for your life, you you're not sending the right signals to the universe. Or you you if you don't believe in that, you're not sending the right signals to your subconscious. Doesn't matter how it works, it just works. Clarity. So, how do you get clarity? You can journal, you can speak it out loud, you can um vision board. I mean, I got a vision board, and we have another family vision board in the in the living room. That's a huge tool for for reminding yourself what is the vision I'm creating in great detail. That's the key that people miss. Sometimes, oftentimes, I hear people say, you know, ask them, what are you working on? I'm working on growing my business. Okay, well, like how much? What does that mean? What does that look like? What are the steps you're gonna take to get there? Or they say, you know, I'm I want to create more money. Well, okay, how much more? What what is that? Like details. Details are super important. The more clear you can be, like in your mind's eye about what you're creating, the the clearer the signal you're sending to the universe. And then I would say third third step, third step is gratitude. Honestly, this I can't I can't overstate this. So when you're in the place of oh, I don't know if it's gonna work, the hand wringing, I don't know if it's gonna work, um, I'm really worried about this thing, you're literally attracting that to you. And I know it's super hard to get out of that when you're in it, but you just you can take 10 minutes every morning to practice. Look at Joda Spenz's work, he's really great for this. His meditations will get you into a space where you're not thinking about the the worries, you're just visualizing what you're creating. If you can do that for 10 minutes a day, or even forget about visualization, just meditate. Meditating brings you out of this worry place and back to your normal, which is alignment with source. So that's a helpful process. And then I would say the last thing is to really believe it, believe that it can be done. So I'll give you a little um help people understand how this feels. So I'll say to you, um, how does it feel to hope that the sun's gonna rise in the morning? When you feel, oh, I hope, I hope the sun rises. That's like panicky, right? Like, what if the sun doesn't rise in the morning? I'm I might be screwed. We all might be screwed. So that the energy of hope is very different from the energy of knowing. We all know the sun is gonna rise tomorrow, barring some crazy cataclysm, like the sun is rising tomorrow. I know the sun is rising tomorrow. You just know, you don't question it, you don't hope for it, you don't pray for it, you don't wish for it. I know the sun is gonna rise in the morning. That kind of knowing and and that kind of certainty and faith, that's the kind of faith that you need to manifest what you want. That and it's a feeling, right? So if you can feel, and and I I've only just recently been able to do this because it's a long process. But if you can, if you can feel exactly what it feels like to have the thing you want, that is manifesting.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Yeah, I love that. I works, we don't give enough credit to the imagination. Like you remember when we were little, we're like, we're so in it, like, and now I'm an astronaut, and now I'm whizzing through space, and now I'm a mermaid under the ocean. Like, you're really in it. And I think we've been given that gift as children because we're like we're in the most creative physical time in our life, pretty much. Like, we're I have a six-year-old. I totally're like you're growing yourself so much, and you're like figuring out the world, and and then at some point we get very practical, serious, logical. We get, you know, our our cute little dreams become these little, you know, childish things, and we have to get serious and think about the practical, logical pathway. I know I fell into that in a lot of ways as well. And so I love I love that you sort of you know brought back the fun piece because I do think it's such an undervalued, magical, logical thing to do. Because how else do you get to know yourself? I mean, there might be some people who are like, I don't know what my passion is, or they're just afraid to even admit what their passion is. Like I always say, like, if I could just make money dancing all day, wait, wait a minute, what if I could make money? Like, you know, there, there's, there's you start with the playfulness. Like, it's almost like people won't even let themselves admit what they enjoy, what's so much fun, what they're passionate about because they think it's irrelevant, or like, why well, okay, oh, I'm passionate about, you know, making desserts, but that's not a business. Like, well, like, yeah, let's let's let's go there. Let's like at least explain.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

There's a million different business ideas. Like, it's you could branch off from making desserts. Yeah, yeah. You can make UA content about it, you could actually do a catering company, et cetera. Sarah, like there's no limit. It does, it doesn't have to be done in a certain way.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

You know, there I I heard this story about this guy, he really wanted to be in the NBA, he wanted to play basketball. That's all he wanted to do. Just just be a basketball star. And and unfortunately, he didn't have the physical attributes to do that. He didn't get in. But then he became, you know, some kind of um lawyer or or advisor to NBA players, and he was basically all hanging out with basic basketball players all day. So he wasn't quite exactly in that that vision he had, but it it evolved to even to something better for him.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Right. And sometimes when you think about the vision, it's almost like, okay, well, that's the vision. But what is that, what is it about that vision? Like what how do you feel in that vision? Because sometimes really it is just about feeling like I want to be in this space all day. I want to talk about basketball all day. I want to, you know, what if in that example, like so if it is for the baker, it's like, well, is it really like the actual act of baking, or do you just want to talk about bread all day? Like, do you want to be, you know, it there's an aspect to the vision that I think we get so lost in and think it has to be a certain way because that's how it's always done. Like it's the emyth book, right? Like, I love baking, I'm gonna become a baker, but I really hate a business. So why become a baker? Like, I you have to know how to run a business to own a bakery to bake, and you hate baking three months later because you're like, all I'm doing is running the business. I don't even bake anymore. I had to hire the crowd because I don't have time, right? So there's like that missing.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

You hit on it. I think a lot of people they're they're they're not maybe being honest with themselves about what is it they actually want. Because that that's really the most important question, isn't it? I mean, our emotion, how we want to feel, drives everything we do. Oh, you want to make a million dollars? Okay, but there's an emotional reason why you want that. You want to feel like you're, you know, you've you've made it or you want to feel like you have freedom. There's always an emotional route to everything that we say we want. And so for business owners to go and look at, okay, well, um, if I'm if I'm really loving desserts, what is it about that? How does it make me feel? Is it like I drop into the zen space? Well, if that's the case, then there's probably a dozen other things you could do business-wise to achieve that same experience. So, and then the other piece of this is our expectations. Of course, we're hearing a million times a day from media, um, parents, society that, well, you should be doing this. You know, if you if you really want to make money, you gotta go for these certain careers. It's obviously it's crazy. It leads to so many people being miserable. But if we actually then instead take a pause and say, All right, I'm just gonna put what everyone thinks and wants over here and just shut up and listen to my own heart, that's when magic happens. That's when you find your purpose, your passion. If you don't have your passion yet, I'm nine times out of ten, it's probably that you haven't allowed yourself to even dream about it. Yeah, you're shutting it down somehow. So I would say to those people like, just give yourself maybe a half-hour period where you say, Okay, no inner critic, no outside uh influences, just what do I want? And then just sit and listen.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Yeah, and I do think, you know, all these practices we can do and the books we can read, I think there's there's a missing key, which I think you probably do really well. Because I do find, at least for myself and the people I've worked with with for many years, in community, it's so much more likely that it's gonna happen, or with a mentor, or with even peers who are on the same path. Because what I do find is like if someone's isolated or they're left to their own devices or they're literally their own devices, like their phones, you know, there's those the limiting beliefs and that the parts of us that are scared can very quickly hear your dream, see your dream. And I used to call it like it's that sneaky, like as soon as you have an idea, almost within a fraction of a second, you're gonna hear that part of you that says why you can't, shouldn't, won't. And that's a very normal thing that happens. You just have to understand what it is, who, whose voice it is, and then put it in its proper place. It's not the driver, it goes in the backseat, maybe even the trunk, maybe not even the car. Like you really have to put it, put that fearful part of you in that proper place, which is why I love that sort of like inner work where you're sort of starting to discern, wait a minute, not all the voices in my head are me. Like some of them are my five-year-old self that learned she can't, you know, do the thing she wants to do because it's interrupting people's time, or I don't want to sing because someone told me I had a bad voice, for example, right? So I think how do you so how do you how do you well, I know you have a community called Thrive. So maybe talk a little bit about that and then how you help people in that community sort of do some of these like fun things and imagine just pieces.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Yeah, I'll talk about Thrive, but I I want to just build on something you just said, which is a lot of entrepreneurs, especially they get uh into this solo mode where they try to do everything themselves, they're alone. Hey, I I've this was you basically described my experience, you know, being in my head, trying to do it all by myself. That was for me probably the biggest mistake I ever made in my business. Not that you know there's really mistakes, we learned something, but trying to do everything myself was keeping me stuck for years. You know, I I um ran a business uh called Lightseat Energy one time. We're gonna be able to do that. We started moving each other, we started getting so much done, and within like I think six months we were gonna have to deliver having just one other person. Well, two other people at that time. Um and and I see this all the time. When people are, and especially entrepreneurs are bad for this because we think we're, you know, super capable people and we are we think we can do it ourselves, we're you know, we have these special gifts and we do, but you also need to recognize that strong people ask for help, strong people go associate with other people. There's a Jim Rohn quote that you are the average of the five people you hang out with most. It's so true. And so I would say that yes, to hanging out with other people and being in a community with a caveat, find the right people. Because we all know the situation where the family member, you tell them your business idea, they kill it. Your your your partner sometimes uh can do this, your your closest friends because they don't think they can do it. Right? So I I'm trying to build a world where I'm associated with people that are supporting my mission um on this on a similar path that are cheerleaders, you know. You you if you if you're a detractor, you don't get to stay on the island. I'm sorry. So so it's only good vibes for for me. Um of course you want um critical feedback, but you want it done with love from people that actually care about your success, not from the naysayers. So so that's that's a little word on that. As far as Thrive, so I came to the point once where I realized um two things. I I can't serve a whole lot more one-on-one clients. And a lot of people they they don't want to um put up the resources to to do one-on-one. So let's try a group coaching program. As soon as I opened that, I had like, well, we didn't quite fill it, but like we have filled it with people who were on the same path, which is building a business. And looking for um the accountability from a coach and your peers, looking for these, this network of people to just bounce ideas off of. It was essentially I've created a mastermind. And I don't I don't call it that, but that's what it is. You know, people coming together on a similar mission, helping each other with their own goals. And I was in a mastermind before this for two years with a bunch of amazing people that I found in a Tony Robbins business mastery event. That skyrocketed me. So I thought, okay, let's build this out for my clients. And that's why now we have a group coaching uh option.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Yeah, I love that. I think that's such a huge, very underrated place to be because again, I do think a lot of people are waiting for some like external thing or um again, trying to do it alone, figuring it alone. Once I get to this place, maybe I will. But I think in community, there's not only like just the magic that happens of ideas that are really generative and also you get the reflection, and you also have people who are dealing with very similar issues who then you you realize, oh, wait a minute, I'm not the only one who's trying to figure out how to do my accounting. I'm not the only one who's trying to figure out, you know, who my client is. I'm not struggling with these. I think shared struggles start to lessen, right? Like the shame of the failures and all those things start to go away because you realize, well, we're all going through it. And we can all we could all spend, you know, a whole day writing out all the times we didn't get it right, and vice versa, the times we did get it right, which is also an important process to go through. So I think in that community is a really powerful, like you said, it's skyrocketed for you, probably because you were getting some great feedback, probably because you were around the energy of creators and you're not having to battle yourself as hard because you're almost like, you know, arm in arm with other people who are like, Yeah, we're gonna, yeah, I see you. Yep, that's a great excuse. And what are you gonna do about it?

SPEAKER_02 41:42

Like it's very motivating, you know, to have a community around you supporting you, lifting you up, um, someone, someone that that that's like waiting for you to to report back and say, How did it go with that video you said you were gonna make? Because if it's just me, I'm not always gonna make the video. I'm gonna just, you know, forget about it and pretend that I didn't make that community. But you can't do that in a group. I was part of a mastermind um this last year, and I was amazed by just how many people obviously had the same problem as you. So when the the coach is coaching the other person, you're getting, you're taking notes furiously, right? And learning something. Just the sort of aha moments that you get about your pricing. You know, oh, I didn't even think of doing it that way, but that's perfect for me. It's so aligned. Or, or, you know, the the tools that I didn't know about this this software editing AI thing, or or like, oh, you you use this instead of Calendly, like, okay, great, let's do it. I uh you you just learn at such a rapid rate when you're in community. Whereas if you try to learn it yourself, you you can, but it's way slower.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

Yeah, I love that. I think that goes for any aspect of your life that you want to grow, whether it's developing a new skill set or you know, a new hobby, really anything done in community is such a huge rise effect, right? Like that could just be a whole book, like the rise effect of groups, because you should write that book, right? The rise effect. Yeah, okay, I'll make sure my AI. That's an idea, make sure I do it. Create it. I do think there's this real, and I actually have a whole like framework around community and collaborations because I think so many people think that you have to go right into like huge collaborations and creating things together, where really you start with curiosity, like, okay, who do I want to be around first? Like, what am I interested in? Because I think for every kind of person and every kind of business, there's probably a great either free community or paid community. I like paid communities because I do think there's some like the skin in the game piece, and you're showing up and you're I found the same thing. And there, there's um you're like you're investing in yourself, you're watching yourself invest in yourself, your identity shifts, even a fraction when you do that. And then you can make those decisions from that new identity of like I am now someone who invested myself. What would she do? Like, or he does like that. That's a real a real shift, you know.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

Yes, I've seen that for myself, and and it sounds like you've experienced that too.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

Yeah, for sure. So, speaking of like what you're creating and what you've created, and and what you're obviously enjoying the success of, which is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Um, what is the impact you want to make in the next one, two, five, whatever, ten, hundred years? Like, what is it?

SPEAKER_02 44:09

I really have this message coming through that that it's time for me to scale. And I think a lot of people face this at some point, uh, at many points in their career. What you're doing, it starts to feel small. And so while I love coaching, especially one-on-one, and I don't think I'm ever gonna stop doing that in some shape or form, I'm I'm now working to scale myself. So I'm in the middle, I've half built a course about um selling, but in an ethical way that's not pushy or flashy or sexy. It's learning the fundamentals. So that course is half done. I'm working on that. Um, I got, I won't say roped in, but I was convinced to start a new business. I think I'm crazy, I have a problem with starting businesses. Um, but that that has been in operation since October. We're building an app that will help coaches actually do better work with their clients. So the idea is that we've created an AI tool that speaks to you via WhatsApp or text messages, and it's it's your coach in your pocket. And all of that data is summarized and sent up to your coach, your human coach, who then comes into the meeting, you know, prepared, knowing what you've been going through this week, knowing where to focus, what questions to ask. Our belief is that when the coach has that information, they're gonna be able to give the client better results. The client's gonna come back more often, uh, repeat business, they're gonna write better reviews, and they're gonna refer their friends. And so this is this is like a dollars and cents um uh argument for coaches, but also people are gonna get better results because I don't know about you. Um, seeing my clients every two weeks, I think it's the optimal uh amount, but still there's that interim space where people lose sight of the goals, they don't do the homework. Having this AI assistant in in my pocket would really help my clients. So that's what we're building now, and we're probably gonna be launching sometime in the next month.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

That's really cool. And I bet it will give you a lot of data for like questions and client trends and struggles and be able to create for that because you're you're like in real time with, you know, I mean, there's one thing about being on Voxer all the time and like sort of hearing and feeling that, but because of the capabilities of AI and gathering data, you can probably create like some really cool sort of like state of the state of the client to point out.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

We're really excited about what's possible.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

Um, and and trying to keep my my vision on just like helping that one person, right? I I think about myself as my ideal client and what would I really love to have? And I think this is a really good um piece of advice, if I may offer advice to to other business owners. Build what you want to see. You know, I I've made the mistake of thinking, okay, what's everyone else doing? How can I just kind of put a new can of paint on it to make it mine? Um, but I am still doing something, somebody else's thing. What would I find valuable? What program, what group coaching program, what one-on-one, you know, um offer, what course? Like think about what you want that doesn't exist and create that. Because when you do that, it's like, okay, now you care about it, you're passionate about it, and people are like, oh, this is actually pretty amazing, rather than just seeing the same recycled, you know, another XYZ program.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

Yeah, I love that. And it's cool that it connects back to the coach because you know, I do have some sort of I and I love technology. I'm like that kid who had a Commodore 364, like 12 years old, like way back. Um, I love technology, but I'm also very um a big believer in human connection and the things you cannot do with technology and just like that. The energy, the resonance that is irreplaceable. And there's also some really cool, time-saving um like value added to technology, especially AI, the way it's created. So I love that it connects back to the person, like as a coach, because that's the key, right? Like someone's listening, someone's watching, someone can hear and see and like really understand the person's nuances versus just the words that they're saying into an app, right? So I love that there's a human connection.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Oh, you're you're making such a good point about the this need in my mind is for the the the marriage of two things, right? I think masculine and feminine, that's that's a great marriage, right? And I don't mean men and women, I mean masculine and feminine, you know, the qualities of the energies of that. Um, you know, the the yin-yang of this. Technology has now, I in my observation, far outpaced our our human development, our spiritual development. And so we need to beef up the spiritual side of things, the the the emotional awareness, the um the you know, the the wisdom. Um and and so I'm not trying to build a tool that's just a tech tool to replace human coaches. That would be crazy. We we don't want that. We want the human. The human has something invaluable, irreplaceable. That AI scale those people and let them have a greater impact in the world. So I think this this marriage of uh of the two sides, tech and and human, it's I think that's gonna be the way of the future.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

Yeah, I think you're what I call I I I've had this vision for a while now since since AI has sort of become really in our faces and in our in our homes, in our lives, in our phones, um, is that there's gonna be a potential. In my highest vision, there's a bridge walker. And you're the bridge walker, like you're being a bridge walker because what I see is like I am super committed to helping people tap into their intuition, their body, so that they can make really discerning decisions about their life. And and if AI is part of that question mark, great. And then the other side, there's like AI and what AI can do and like the the heights of innovation and all of that, but it's oh, it's just not, it's it's cold, right? It's still that thing, it's still a cold computer to me. And if you're if you can be a bridge walker, which I see you doing, and I I can do in some aspects as well, like I'm because I do love some parts of AI, and I think it's really important to understand it, is you can create a bridge for people to be able to bring all of them into it, not just saying, like, oh, I guess I don't need to be a human anymore, I can just clone myself and let it do all these things, right? I I think that's a really slippery, unhealthy road to go down. I think there has to be that human connection to the ground, the earth, the trees, because we need it. But if you can be that bridge walker that can say, look, there's some really great like things over here that we need to understand. And over here, we can't leave ourselves behind. We can have fun and be imaginative and iterate on what that human potential is and be able to go back and forth in a healthy way. That's what I see you doing.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

I I appreciate that. That's a great vision. And and I would just add that there's there's some areas where we don't want AI in it. I I've drawn the line at letting AI speak for me. I don't want AI to replace my voice. I don't want AI to replace any human's voice because what do we get eventually? We get AI talking to AI. No, I I had this this really tough decision the other day. I was building my this course I was talking about, and I'm halfway through, and it's like taking forever to write these lessons, right? Because I'm doing the script by hand. So I'm like, I just wonder what what would happen if I took the existing script, plugged it into ChatGPT, and said, write the next lesson. And honestly, it was freaking amazing. It was a mean, it was better than what I could have written. But I scrapped it. I was like, I cannot just produce a course that is AI speaking to people. Why? Why why would another human want to just consume AI stuff? AI is very powerful for and applicable in certain situations. Like, you know, me figuring out how to do this technical thing on this platform, like I don't want to have to go find someone to tell me. I just just chat GPT, tell me how to do this. Which button should I click? You know? Um, editing my work, no problem, great. Find this, find the typos, find where it's weak in the style or whatever. But to to create creation cannot be outsourced to AI. That is a bad idea. We're going to end up with with a with a really terrible outcome if we do that.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

Oh my gosh, so true. I just had a um, I do these intuitive messaging like standalone sessions where I help people create their frameworks and their, you know, just really, really feel the content that they want to share. It's so much fun to do. It's like two hours. And I could easily have this client go into ChatGPD and say, I want to find out who my dream client is. Here's what I think she struggles with, here's what I think all the pain points are, here's the benefits, and blah, blah, blah, blah. And have it spit out this like, and I've seen these programs and I've seen these GPTs, and they are very generative in the amount of content they will give you. And you're like, oh my God, this is my whole business. This is great. No, here's what I have my clients do. And it's so old school. And it's what I do if I'm creating something, and if I if I don't do this, bad, my bad. Like, I know it doesn't work. Like, what I do is have her actually get on the phone or Zoom with at least five, ideally seven to ten people who are within who she thinks is her ideal client. And I give her the questions to ask so she doesn't have to think about it. And she's like, oh my God. First of all, everyone said yes. And everyone, honestly, I've I've yet to have the only person that says no is a schedule thing. She's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so late. Literally, everyone says yes because human connection, it's kind of cool, it's fun. You're probably a pretty cool person if you're creating something. They want to talk to you and they want to be heard. Like, I've had people in these marketing research calls that I've done myself, they're like, Wow, like you asked questions that I never even thought about. I just got so much clarity. I'm like, you're so refreshing. I've gotten clients from those calls. I've had so much fun on those calls, I've learned. And what you get then is marketing gold. Like you're just getting like the words that they're actually saying instead of.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

You're pointing to the the new frontier of uh competitive advantage. You know, in an age where everyone has access to ChatGPT, anyone can create that program or that uh digital download or that lead magnet or whatever it is. So now what do you do? You have to be unique, you have to go and talk to people and get something different because ChatGPT doesn't have that in there. Uh I mean, I did something similar with the program. I ran a company called Um So You Wanna Write, and we trained writers how to improve their work and get published. And uh we built this new program. And the way that I did that was I set up 10 interviews with our best clients and I asked the same questions of them. I think six questions. What do you want to see? What would you pay? What's your biggest struggle, et cetera, et cetera? And what I got out of that built the program. And that was widely our most successful program ever. You know, high-ticket thing, people loved it, they kept coming back year after year. I would not have got, even if ChatGPT existed in that time, I would not have got that without having the conversations with the humans. So totally.

SPEAKER_00 54:43

Yeah, because really what ChatGPT is doing, and this isn't like a whole dig on ChatGPT, but or AI in general, um, it's just giving you what's already created, right? But we're so we're so creative as people that if you just sit down and ask a question like you do with your, you know, in your community and your coaching clients, that's where you're like you get that pause and someone has to think about it and feel into it, and then you can react to their facial expression, like, oh, you you seemed a little stressed about that. Like, tell me what was that about? Like, there's so much beauty in the coaching. And I know you know the coaching industry gets a lot of bad, get a gets a bad rap in general sometimes because really it's a wild, wild west. Anyone can call themselves a coach. There's no real like oversight, or maybe there's ICF who's like this old school, like really rigid sort of certification process, which I don't even know if it's super relevant anymore. But like, where do you see the coaching industry now? Where do you see it going and thriving? You know, we talked about the human piece, but like what do you see happening?

SPEAKER_02 55:36

Good question. I I try not to look at it too closely because I don't really believe that. Oh my god, that's so good. I try to know I don't really care what other people are doing, but you can't help but see it. So I would just I would I have a slightly different perspective about the wild, wild west. It's I think it's actually a good thing. I compare coaches to therapists, and I'm having many therapists and I've had many coaches, and and I frankly always like the coaches better. Just maybe that's just me, but what I've noticed, okay, so and I hope I don't offend any therapists in this, but therapists they need to get certain uh credits in school, take certain training, and then you're there. You you've reached it, you got your credentials. Okay. So, but there can be really bad people in that and really, really great people in that as far as quality goes. Whereas in a coach, it's like you either deliver results or you don't. You know, and that's how people know you're good or not. Some people, yeah, some coaches have credentials. I've never pursued that. I thought about it, but I'm like, look, I'm Tony Robbins doesn't have it, so why should I? Most top coaches never have got any credentials. Training, yes, credentials, I don't care. So in the coaching world now, I think the wonderful thing is it's it's results only. Either you are producing the results for your clients or you're not. I don't care if you have the best certification, whatever that means, if you're not producing the results. So, and and it does sometimes lead to people making maybe bad choices about their coaches. I'm sure it's it happens. I've never had a bad coach, I would say. No. Um, but um, I don't know. I think it's kind of a blessing to let people just do their own thing because I don't want to force a coach into a certain protocol, certain paradigm or philosophy. Let everyone do their own thing. Let them do their own thing.

SPEAKER_00 57:15

Yeah, and it just gets sorted. You get sorted right pretty quickly. If someone really isn't a great coach, that's gonna get sorted pretty quickly as well. Or even if it's gonna be an experience, yeah, they're not gonna stay there very long. They're either gonna learn and grow or they're gonna decide something else is plus, I know like I know personally, I know three therapists who've become coaches because for many reasons, besides the the requirements and the limitations of what you can do as a as a therapist and a lot of both, which I love. Yeah, exactly. You can still really have value in both. So great conversation. Okay, it is. I know we keep talking because we have we just have so much, you know, like sort of Venn diagram overlap and kind of things we think about and talk about. Um, but as we wrap up here, I'd love for you to or invite you to share about your assessment that we are gonna share with notes called a zone of genius assessment.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

Zone of genius assessment, yeah. So this is a tool, it's a it's a quiz that I created maybe a couple of years ago now. And it only takes about 60 seconds to to click these multiple choice questions. But basically the idea is to give you a score, which is gonna tell you are you doing mostly grunt work or great work? I thought that rolled off the tongue nicely.

SPEAKER_00 58:21

That's great.

SPEAKER_02 58:22

And and and the reason this is important is because I would say every entrepreneur I've met isn't is not lazy. You know, I don't know anybody that's lazy, truly. But especially entrepreneurs, they're they're they want to move mountains, they're about getting shit done, they do a lot of things. But I would say very few entrepreneurs are doing what I would call the the right things. So I don't think people have uh an issue of uh of time. I don't think time is the the limiting factor. I think it's priorities. So this tool, this assessment, is is designed to help people look at their priorities and say, well, what am I doing that's actually working? And what maybe what should I let go of, right? And the questions I ask are designed to sort of gently nudge you into seeing, oh, maybe I should be delegating more, or maybe I shouldn't be doing email every day, you know. So I I encourage people to go check that out. Um, it's gonna lead you to my email address or email list. You don't have to stay if you don't want to, but hopefully I'm providing you some amazing content. Um, go assess yourself. It'll it'll take you a minute or two to do.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

So amazing. And we'll make sure that we have your Instagram link and your website, which is I was perusing this so much in there. It's great.

SPEAKER_01 59:33

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

And I did see the super attractor book on in one of your images there. I love it. That's great.

SPEAKER_01 59:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Um and that way they can stay in touch or we can stay, we can stay up to date on when your app is ready. I do think that sounds really cool and it just has so much potential to create more results and more connection and more um insight for the coach to have in the calls. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

Well, we are recruiting beta testers now. So if you're someone who's an early adopter that either wants to, as a client, go get the tool and use it. I'm using it every day myself and it's it's fantastic. Um, send me an email. You can get that from my website or reach out to me on Instagram. Um, and if you're a coach, we'd actually love to have more coaches uh beta testing this because that's the real um the target audience. So um this can really help you scale yourself in your business. So please reach out. We're testing now. It's free for now.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

Awesome. I love that. Well, we'll make sure to put all those links in the show notes. Is it any final note of wisdom that you'd like to share before we say bye bye?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:33

No, just uh just an encouragement. Keep going. It's a beautiful thing to build a business, to be an entrepreneur, to to impact the world this way. And I know it's hard sometimes, but please know that it gets easier. And once you cross a certain line of income or systems or knowledge, it it really does become now a matter of just what more can I do and not how do I stop struggling, but but what's the next exciting things I can do? So please keep going, don't give up.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

Yeah, and don't, don't, you don't have to do it alone. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Find community, find a few, you know, similar souls who are on the path and keep listening. Follow Mike. I think you'll really enjoy his nuggets and his reels and all the things he's sharing. I think it's really powerful and much needed voice. So thank you so much for sharing your voice here. Thank you, Elena. It was really fun. I appreciate your energy and sharing about your family and sharing just the success that your clients have. I think it's super inspiring. We need to hear more about people who are doing it so that we can turn to those success like visions in those moments of doubt, which we all have. So thank you so much, Mike and everyone. Um, so great to have you here again for another interview. Please do share notes. There's a little heart in the show notes where you can share your feedback, any insights, anything that stood out for you. And if there's any comment you want to leave from Mike, you can leave that here too. I'll pass it on, or just head over to his Instagram account in the show notes and let him know that you listened and what you took away. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Thank you so much. Abundance and joy.