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EP45: The Wall Around Your Heart
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Emanuel Zevallos hit rock bottom in 2015 and found out the floor was solid.
In this episode of the Irene Cares, Hope sits down with Emanuel Zevallos, energy healer, regression hypnotherapist, and founder of Compass Healing Center in St. George, Utah. Raised by two physicians including a mother who ran early immunotherapy trials while fighting cancer herself Emanuel came out of childhood abuse, two divorces, and a season where everything was upside down, and turned it into a practice serving over 120 clients a week.
He talks about the Emotion Code and Body Code, the "heart wall" he says he's cleared more than 4,000 times, the pro bono work he did with Vietnam veterans that convinced him this mattered, and why he believes nobody is a victim of the life they chose. Hope shares her own story too a daughter born 16 weeks premature, three and a half months in the NICU, and 26 years of learning how to come back together with her husband.
This is a conversation about faith and healing refusing to be enemies.
00:00 Healing Faster
00:17 Meet Emmanuel
01:01 Childhood and Parents
02:13 Early Healing Lessons
05:26 Love as Medicine
08:36 Rock Bottom to Purpose
10:56 Discovering Emotion Code
12:40 Healing Spreads Outward
15:20 Parents and Identity
20:17 Trust Intuition
22:45 Proof Through Results
26:11 Men Healing Together
27:53 Trauma and Unprogramming
30:37 Gift of No Judgment
31:36 Judgment and Compassion
33:16 Emotion Code Basics
33:53 Trapped Emotions Explained
36:34 Muscle Testing Methods
37:50 Remote Healing and Quantum
40:17 Faith Meets Action
43:04 Attunement for Trauma
47:47 Patterns and Broadcast Messages
54:05 Empaths and Listening
57:53 Past Life Regression Intro
01:00:38 Reincarnation Stories
01:03:02 Past Life Phobias
01:05:07 Healing Beyond Dogma
01:06:59 Womb Mission Recall
01:08:55 Choosing Parents for Growth
01:14:05 Guides and Spirit Signs
01:16:40 Community Against Isolation
01:19:14 Hardship as Growth
01:22:05 Despair Anchors Explained
01:26:28 Gratitude and Divine Messages
01:32:47 Faith Meets Astrology
01:35:23 Tools Not Idols
01:36:39 Brad Story and Heart Wall
01:39:38 Healing Sparks Faith
01:40:10 Miracles Beyond Methods
01:42:19 Origin of Heart Wall
01:45:50 Heart Wall Symptoms
01:48:51 Trauma and PTSD Work
01:53:05 Connection Beats Anxiety
01:56:23 Map of Consciousness
02:02:12 God Loves Everyone
02:08:46 Gnosis and Divine Love
02:12:28 Forgiveness and Soulmates
02:13:48 Love Binds Souls
02:14:47 Multiple Soulmates Map
02:15:27 Soulmate Trigger Signs
02:18:39 Marriage Takes Work
02:22:52 Trauma and Spiritual Warfare
02:24:44 Healing to Attract Love
02:28:25 Polarity and Compassion
02:29:28 Past Lives and Tolerance
02:35:11 Politics and Unhealed Society
02:38:29 Peace Amid Chaos
02:41:17 Wife’s Frequency Healing
02:44:26 Where to Find Them
02:44:58 Final Blessing and Wrap
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What if healing didn't have to take years? What if the things you've been carrying, the trauma, the heartbreak, the blocks you can't seem to move past could shift faster than you ever thought possible?
SPEAKER_02This one saying where it says, we're we're um we're created for success, but programmed for failure.
SPEAKER_01Emmanuel is an energy healer, regression hypnotherapist, and the founder of Compass Healing Center right here in St. George, Utah. Faith and fear both require you to believe in something that hasn't happened yet. He came out of a painful childhood in a difficult relationship. And he turned that journey into a mission to help others heal in ways they never expected.
SPEAKER_02Just remember this service equals happiness.
SPEAKER_01Okay, welcome today, Emmanuel. It's so great to have you on. Um I want to start first um before we get into the work. Tell me who you are and where did you grow up and what was life like as a kid?
SPEAKER_02Um, well, I think foundationally, like I really truly feel that I'm a child of God. It's kind of where I would start out. I think identity is really important, you know, like our true essence of what we are. Um, I grew up in Rancho Palos Verdes, so it's a very like pleasantville place. It's like I think 7-Eleven closes at 9 a.m. And um, and but I grew up with two oncologists and hematologists. I thought that was totally normal, but it's really not. Uh but uh little by little my friends finally told me the secret that it's not normal what my parents both do. And uh, but my mother was a different hybrid. She uh hybrid, she was like uh uh holistic, and she was also a regular physician as well. So um she was kind of a rebel in Kaiser Permanente, I would say. So there were people coming in our home, and uh she was testing their urine samples and uh testing their environment that that created the cancer, and for some reason, quote unquote, her patients got better and everything more than my father. So uh yeah, so my mother um uh she tutored my father in UCLA medical school. So I'll I'll take the tutor over my uh the tutored uh now. Tut the 2D, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so that's great. So in your house growing up, um gosh, it sounds like your mom really kind of showed you some things early on to help you see, like, oh, there's not just one modality for healing, or there's not just one way. So I think a lot of people kind of get stuck in that, like one way. Yeah, you know, like, oh well, this is like proven, or there's science backing it, or there's FDA approval for it, like that kind of thing. But it but in my experience too, healing is so broad. So um let's see. So out of your own healing journey, because you talked a little bit about that in your in your pre-interview, you find some tools. What were those tools that you found? Or do you want to talk a little bit about your healing journey?
SPEAKER_02I can talk a little bit about my healing journey. I think it's it's really important, I think, to share that when you're a kid, you're you're this sponge, you're just absorbing a lot of things. Um, and I'll talk about the emotion code later on, like how the body really works, what we produce, you know. But um, yeah, you're like you're absorbing stuff from your parents. You're absorbing energies from your mom in the womb. Like, you know, and that's why in in some Chinese cultures, uh, some mothers, there's a certain type of culture in China that they are very wary about um the mother being close to the husband. Like it's almost like they take a sabbatical from the husband and they eat start eating better, doing meditation, because they know the baby's being programmed uh in the womb. And so it's um and it's true. Sometimes then they come out all calm, like you know, calm like you know, Hindu cows. The reason why they're so calm is because the mom programmed it that way. But most, you know, as most American women, you know how it goes. It's like you may get your time off, you may not. Uh, you know, the employer doesn't care about the emotional status of the child inside the womb. So we have a very we we have a we have a uh a world that's not really uh checking on our emotional stability a lot. They care more about you showing up and clocking in, you know. So it's up to us to be like, did I get programmed when I was a child? And is this why I am the way I am now? And the answer I want to tell you as a practitioner is for sure. But um, but yeah, and I think, I think too, like um, as I mentioned earlier, the more you learn about your temple um and the more how it works, then the more you can kind of not solve your own issues, but in a way, kind of like resolve, have resolve in your life more, you know?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so um, but I think having my mom, like like I had one day I woke up with you know no clothes on and I had a ton of needles on me. I look like you know Hellraiser, and I was like, what's going on here? She's like, I'm taking away your nausea, you know, go back to sleep, you know. So that was kind of like my first introduction to acupuncture. She didn't tell me she was gonna do it. Um, she also told me that in your ear, there's almost like a fetus version of yourself in the ear, and she would put certain points, like like kind of like uh pinch certain points in the ear with this machine, and she was telling me that she was trying to take away the pain from my left leg. So I think we're she always believed that eastern western medicine should be combined. And we unfortunately we kind of we we we separate each other, and this is why we're suffering now.
SPEAKER_01So like pick aside.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, pick aside. Um, and I think one of the major things I remember my mother said a uh thing, she passed away, unfortunately, with pancreatic cancer, but um something that always stuck with me is she says that the difference between me and my other oncologist colleagues is that I treat my patients like they're living, not like they're dying. And I remember like that really stuck with me. It's like it's the love that someone has for you while they're doing something is really the the the magic sauce. Like if someone, if if you sit down with any therapist, practitioner, anybody, if they don't have love for you and say, I love you for who you are, who you're becoming, it's kind of like things kind of work, but not really, you know.
SPEAKER_01So there's a disconnect.
SPEAKER_02There's a disconnect, exactly. Yeah, it's like it's like love is really the healing balm. And then the the tool is just there to like manifest something else, but the it's the healing balm, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and love is one of those things that connects all of us to each other.
SPEAKER_02Totally.
SPEAKER_01Like when you love someone, there's a connection there, like as a friend or as a a partner or as a soulmate or whatever you want to call it, like when you love somebody, there's a just a different feeling about the whole relationship. So that totally makes sense to me that that that missing piece, because a lot of people get very robotic, you know, and it's just like this is my job and this is what I do all day, and I see you know 20 patients in a day sometimes, or whatever it is. And and it it like I've even felt it with my own practitioners. I go in and it's like they're trying to hurry me through because they got other people waiting.
SPEAKER_02You can feel it, yeah. And then it's interesting because my uh I think they sort of create technology where um, you know, let's say somebody had cancer, and then you there would be like sort of this data bank of like information that the person would listen to, like a recording from the doctor of what they needed to take and everything. And my mother refused to do that. She says, I'm gonna personally call them, like, because this is a human, this is not a number. Yeah. See, so my mom was just a different breed. Yeah. And um, she became very at the end disheartened with the young college. I think she she got into immunotherapy, which now is big. Like immunotherapy, she was running, she was one of the first ones that ran clinical trials in Peru and was helping people with stage three breast cancer and would pick them off the streets and work on them for clinical trials. And she opened up Peru, like she was a pioneer in that. And she and she was doing that while she had cancer herself. So she was she was a real big inspiration to my work.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's beautiful. It's it it as a mother, like that's the gift you want to give your children is hope and and all the options that they can have in their own toolbox to be able to try to manage a lot of things because the world does throw so much at us. And as we're growing, we're trying to figure out what do I take, what do I leave, like what's for me, what's not for me. And like, you know, sometimes we take a bunch of stuff and then we have to start shedding that because oh that none of that's for me. I because as I learn and grow about myself, I actually like this better than all of this. So let's but then that's a process too. And like you said, as a child, you don't know what you've got until it comes up in some way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, right? Exactly. And then no, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01Did that happen for you when you started to do some healing?
SPEAKER_02Is that how that took off? Or what did that look like? I'm not sure if we're gonna date ourselves again. So P. Floyd, um, you know, I love P Floyd, and they did a song called Dark Side of the Moon. And uh, so I was on the Dark Side of the Moon back in 2015, and uh everything was upside down for me. My uh relationship I was very unhappy with. Um I wasn't paying attention too much to my children, which I should have. Um, my faith was kind of struggling a little bit, just everything was just upside down, and and and I was kind of like, What's my purpose in life? Like, you know, I was kind of like what am I doing, you know? And um, it wasn't until um, and so when you get to that point, sometimes you have to hit rock bottom. But the good news for your listeners, if you ever hit rock bottom, is that it's solid, you can't go further down. And so that the reason why and the beautiful thing about what it's solid is when you figure out what's going on, you can bend your knees and propel yourself upwards. I love that. So there's no there's no more, but that's the good news, there's no more going down. You hit it. But but like I said, I think you have to think outside the box because something that it's really hard for me to take in this quote from um T. Harvecker. So T. Harvecker, who wrote Um Secrets of the Millionaire Mind, he said something like, You can either be rich or right, but you can't be both. And I thought about that, I'm like, that's so true. How many of us are friends and family? They care more about being right, and they're not even rich in the area they're talking about. They're like, oh, this is what you should do in this relationship, blah, blah, blah. It's like they have like four divorces, you know. It's like, it's like, you know you should do this with your health, and then they have diabetes. It's like, wait a minute, are you like, are you, do you care to only be right? So I made a purpose in my life to always find more ways to be wrong. Because if I'm wrong more, then I expand.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so, so, so when you hit rock bottom, find more ways to be wrong. Because that's where there's open doors opening, and and the next five years will look different from the last five years because the last five years you've always thought you're right. This is a hard pill to swallow. Yeah. But once you do that, it's very liberating when you're just like, okay, what else can I find that like I used to make fun of something, maybe I should look into it, you know? And when you go in there, it's like that was that was the thing I needed, you know. So now I even look for things that I used to make fun of. Like I used to make fun of this specific religion, and I got baptized in it. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. You know, it's like um make fun of these type of doctors. Wait, they actually served me the other day. Dang it. Like, you know, so it's kind of like literally like, what are you making fun of right now that's probably your exit door that you're supposed to go through? So um, around that time, so I called my friend and I said, Hey, uh, I was trying to recruit him for a skincare company. And he says, Oh, I have to go see a uh body code client or an emotion code client. Emotion code client. So I was stuck. So I said, Well, every level's a new devil, so I need to read a new book. And what should I read? So I read the emotion code, and I've and because I'm Christian, this was my first energy healing book. So I was I was nervous. So I like open it, close it, open it, close it. I must have opened it, closed it 21 and a half times. Like I was just really nervous. Like, I'm like, this is against Christ. Hey, we ain't playing this game. And um, he actually mentioned Christ in the book multiple times. So I was like, I feel safe actually reading this book. And then when I finished the book, I said, if this is real, I'm gonna change so many people's lives. Because it says you can work long distance. I'm like, come on, you can't remove things long distance, you know. So I started helping people with pain and removing people's pain. And and uh when people's pain went down due to certain trauma in their life, I started getting really excited. But then I had him work on me. See, it's kind of weird because it's hard to work on your own heart. You know, it's like it's like being a heart surgeon, you're like not a heart surgeon, you're like, I'm gonna go work on my heart. But like, you know, it's kind of weird. So I had my friend work on me, and um time started kind of evolving for me where I started falling in love with what I do, you know. My whole life I've felt very numb, desensitized. All of a sudden I started feeling alive again, you know. So um, so yeah, so I had to work on myself, you know. They they they have a saying where it says, you know, healers need healing too, you know, and so I definitely needed and and in order to help other people, I have to add to my cup a little bit. So yeah, that's that's 2015 is where I said enough is enough. I'm like, what I'm doing is not working.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and it sounds like once you started doing that work on yourself, you're like, I want other people to feel like I feel.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01And I say that all the time on this podcast because I have been in a bad relationship. I have been in an abusive relationship, and psychological abuse is heavy.
SPEAKER_03It's real, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And I would say it's even harder to heal from than physical abuse because physical abuse heals then it's gone, right? Yeah, but that psychological stuff that comes for who knows how long before the physical even shows up, that stuff gets locked in somewhere because you start to believe it after you hear it so much. But that pain and that hurt and that sorrow and that sadness is just there to give you information. Right. And when you get sick of feeling like that, and you're like, okay, information overload, I get it. I'm in a yucky dark place. You want to feel better, yeah. And you seek out like what can help me. And sometimes you don't even know what it is, or sometimes you're like, I've been to a therapist, but it wasn't right. Well, it wasn't the right therapist, probably, number one, but also like there's so many ways to heal. Like you're about to show us, like, there's so many ways that you can do things on your own at home to get further down that path. And when you said it's like you can bend your knees and propel yourself, wholeheartedly believe that. Because I believe that where I am in my life, which is a life that I've chosen to create by being vulnerable and showing those things. I want everyone to feel like that. I want everyone to know, like, it's kind of messy on that road. That's okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That path is so worth every heartache, every revisit to a to something that was really traumatic or sad or hard. Like all of those things that feel really like heavy in the moment, they become like like balloons and just float away from you.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01And you feel yourself just rise and rise. Like, you know, they say at Phoenix from the ashes, it's totally true.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And I think we were you made some really great points. Like, like they say that misery loves company, but also joy loves company too.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02You know, happiness loves company too. And I think we forget about that second part of the quote that no one adds, but it's it's really true. It's like you can't, if it's real happiness, you can't contain it. And there's it's very infectious, you know. And um, yeah, and so I always tell people, like, uh, when I work with clients, I say, Do you want to ride in a car to New York by yourself healed, or do you want to ride in a bus with your family healed to New York? You know, they're like oh, I love my family in a bus. You know, it's like then you gotta let them know that this is this exists. And it's like, oh, I already talked to my, it's like, I don't even have to say that. They're already on it because they just they already start looking at their family, like, who else can I help out? And I I um I love um you know, the mothers that they have sort of a self-sacrificial, martyrish feeling sometimes, where it's kind of like, I want to help out all my kids. And I even have to stop the moms and be like, hey, mom, take a deep breath. You actually need healing too, and you're the lid of the family, you know. So when they see mom happiest joys, you are giving them permission to have happiness and joy. And look at all the all the growing and teaching that you've done in grooming for all these children. You don't think you're a little bent out of shape a little bit? But again, it's it's the innate DNA of the mom, take care of my kids first, take care of my kids first. And uh, I said, you need the gift of receiving because you've been giving your whole life, and it's not fair. And they know it. They like deep down, they know that they're like, like, you're right, I'm always giver, like a and almost a form of codependency to their children, to people outside of them. And I'm like, we have to like you can't be the moon and your kids are the earth, and you just keep revolving around this earth because you forget who you are while you're revolving. That's what happens to codependent people. You forget who you are in the midst of it. And I say you don't know who you are without them. Them. Yeah, so then so then when they when they all leave the nest, now you have an identity crisis. You're like, I have no idea who I am anymore. And so I try to prevent that by saying if you heal yourself, you can enjoy and find out what you really love to do.
SPEAKER_01Excuse me. I love that because that's that was true for me. My my baby is 19. And when all your kids I homeschooled my kids, I raised my kids, they were my world.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But when they start leaving, it does feel like this huge loss. Obviously, it still affects me. But it's like I had to go, okay, what am I gonna do now? Because the kids are raised, they don't need me to raise them. They're adults now, they all have jobs, they work for you know, they're they're busy, they have their own lives. And like kind of in our house, my husband and I are like when they're 18, they don't have to leave. But we kind of like back off on the the parenting because we're like let's help them navigate challenges, but they get to make the choices.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01Which is hard.
SPEAKER_03Really hard, really hard.
SPEAKER_01Because like in my belief system, uh I know I was supposed to teach them and and show them right from wrong and good from bad, and and guide them to be amazing adults and amazing people. Well, I I mean I had my own stuff going on, so like some of that's in there too. So my kids have to deal with some of my stuff because I didn't know any better at the time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But the beautiful thing is that like you said, like I get to show them what it looks like to be healthy and happy and create an environment that you want to be in because it feels good. Because we all go by our feelings a lot, and you want to be in a place that feels really good.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01And um and you want to feel safe. Yeah, and I love that you're talking about that because um I'm gonna let you continue. I love that you're talking about that because it's a personal experience for me, and I know I'm not alone in that. So Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I think it's it's um that there's um there's a really great movie that kind of uh kind of describes a little bit like this. It's called Um The Case for Christ, you know, and um I love what that professor said to the main character, um, the guy who was uh writing for the Chicago Tribune, who was an atheist. I love when he's when she said something like, Um, what did Stalin and Lenin have in common? You know, uh you know, what like what do they all have in common, these these communists, you know? And he's like, I don't know. He's like, they didn't have a father figure. Like they were completely absent or they were abusive. So this their fell their father was their portrait of God. So they rebuke the Bible, they they rebuke God, and that's their filter is their parents. So if and and we all know that when all doors are closed, we hope that our children ha can look up and be like, I trust God. We we that's what we hope. But guess who's the first mirror of God? It's the parents. You see, so so how exalted can the parents be to be examples to to say this is what actually if you think we're good, there's somebody way better, you know? And um, but it's hard, you know. I'm saying so it's a matter of like um parents looking introspectively inside of each other, but we're not taught that in school. You know, I wish they I wish in fifth grade there was like emotion 101. It's like your body produces this. It was like I would have loved that class because I don't remember what the heck I learned in fifth grade, you know. But and and it's not serving me right now in my life, you know. So so I wish I could go back in time and be like, fifth grade, someone teach me emotion 101, tell me that my organs and glands are producing emotions. Anybody please?
SPEAKER_01And uh we would just hear Bueller, you know, just nobody Yeah, I see I love this because like when you when you look into that kind of stuff, you hear, oh, there's no research, there's nothing to back it up, there's no proof that it works, there's none of this stuff. But I'm the kind of person that like it feels right for me though, so I don't really need all of that. If it because we talked about this before, right? Right before the podcast is like I'm very intuitive. And if it feels right for me, it's mine. I'm taking it. I don't need outside approval, outside anything. Right. If it feels like it's what I need to do, I'm doing it.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01And like like you told me before, like that was such a gift my mother gave me. Yes, I know that. And I didn't know it at the time when I was growing up. I didn't realize that gift she was giving me by showing me this is what I do, and then telling me this is what I do and this is why I do it. And I like you should trust yours too. Even if it looks different, because that's the thing is like you might make a decision for your kids that I wouldn't make for my kids because it's right for you and your kids, but it might not be right for me and my kids.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01Whatever it is.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. And and I think too, like, what when has like it's so funny, like we're we're learning so quickly now because of the internet that like that like our the boomers would only care about the FDA approval. And now we're learning, like, look back at like the F FDA, the things that they said yes you could use, and they had to push it back and be like, just kidding, that's very poisonous for you. You know, so I'm just saying, like, these systems aren't built for health. The these systems are feeding into big pharma, you know what I'm saying? And so there's a big machine that's churning in your grocery stores, like 90% of the food is made for you to get sick. It's like they they they have these webs out. And if you don't wake up, you'll be like, well, why is there a health food system? Section, why is it only one aisle? That's weird. You know, so shouldn't this be the whole store?
SPEAKER_01Why is there a health food section? Yeah, why is there a section?
SPEAKER_02It's only like and that's only like you know, well, again, one aisle.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But that there's something wrong with that picture. But we go in there and we just grab our stuff and we pretend like it's not poisoning our kids, but it really is. So the more you the more you realize that the system's not fighting for us, but it's against us, the sooner you get to that point, you have to look outside the box, you know? Yes. And so, um, and similar to religion, I'm I'm just gonna throw this out there, but like similar to religion, um, we we can't buy on what people say to us. You have to get like actual what I call like gnosis, you know, like direct information, you know, and and direct revelation, whatever you want to call it. Because um that's the same thing with energy healing, though, is that like I can talk about energy healing all day, but until your knee pain goes away within five minutes when I work on it, it's just great information. Yeah, so it's like I tell people like I invite skepticism, but I'm looking for healthy skepticism. Yeah, you know, and so if I see the I sometimes I there's this one I'm not sure, but I hope it works.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that that's the faith of a mustard seed. Yes. And so I I remember this one guy that I used to do Zoom calls um back in the day, but um, I started getting more handsome, so I stopped doing it because it would distract my clients. I'm totally joking. Um, but but anyway, so like I would I would look in the Zoom call, and then there's this um there's this guy who uh had a beard, he looked like he came out of like a Viking movie, and he had you know cross legs, cross arms, cross eyes, cross you know, hair, and I and I and I knew how to talk to him. I just I went and say, hey man, how's it going? He's like, good. I'm like, you don't want to be here, do you? He's like, no. I'm like, your your wife forced you to do this, huh? He's like, yeah. And I'm like, you have no idea what I do. He's like, no. I'm like, do you know why this is gonna work for you? He's like, why? I'm like, because you showed up. And like, that's all I need. If you didn't believe in this, like completely no, we wouldn't be meeting on Zoom right now. And I actually helped out his Achilles pain that he had for 20 years, and then him and I became best friends, you know. So it's kind of like, so I I'm looking for that person who just shows up and barely believes. And I'm like, okay, that you're exactly where you're supposed to be, because there's no proof yet. So you have to experience it. And so when I work with people, that's why I still give free complimentary sessions for the most part. There's some times where I charge, but for the most part, 90% are free sessions. So I'm like, you got nothing to lose. So let's let's do a session and let's see what happens, see how you feel.
SPEAKER_01You know, I love that because it it's true. It's something that you're like, I don't have to prove anything to you because just go through this with me and then tell me what you think. And and I didn't prove anything to you, your body proved to you that I was right in this moment that I was able to help you.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01So like I love that because I it's something that's undeniable. Like if your heel feels better, your heel feels better. They're like you've hurt for 20 years, now you don't, right?
SPEAKER_03And it's not because of me.
SPEAKER_01Okay, fine, don't come back then. Exactly. They'll be back though.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01The next time something comes up that they don't know what to do with, they're gonna be like, oh, I remember that guy.
SPEAKER_02And with the work that I do, um, I work with animals too. So animals have these emotions too, and I work with babies, you know, they have like food aversions, night terrors, you know. There is no placebo effect with babies and animals. I don't speak dog, I don't speak baby, you know. So they're not even there on the phone call and I'm working on them. That's another kind of a loophole for the male figure to support what I do because usually it's the woman. I mean, I'm I have to give it to women. Women are are the awake ones, and they're like, they're like, help us and help our family. You know, the husband's just kind of like the gatekeeper, you know. But um, the way I get to the gatekeeper is I work on their children, and their children change, and then the husband opens up their eyes and like, hey, how is why is he why is he behaving differently? Like, why is he like happier? Why is he getting good grades now? Oh, it's that thing you made fun of like three weeks ago, you know? And so that's how I get to the father. It's like he has to see non-biased improvement in the household that's not their wife. All of a sudden, they're for some reason they're now open in the work that I do. So, but I I I gotta give it to men. Like, um, there's more in the last two years, there's more men retreats happening. Um, there's more men coming together as tribes, as warriors. Um, I join I have a Monday through Friday um Bible study group uh called Superhuman Fathers. You know, so I go in there and I study with people, and it's like the men are coming together, crying together, and it's uh different. I love that. Times are changing now. Yeah, it's not it's uh 10 years ago it wasn't like that. No, no, I know it's finally.
SPEAKER_01And you're you're so right when you were talking earlier about like boobers believe in everything FTA improved. Yeah, like because they grew up, that was the standard, like everything was good if it was here. I think that that's gone like it. Maybe it wasn't as bad as it is now. I I would assume. I mean, if we look at everything across the board, I think that that's correct. I think it's just it maybe we've started out with a good intent, yeah, but it's gone real fast for me personally. Yeah, everybody has their own opinion, but I think that this next generation is more focused on healing. Totally. And so it is trickling up to us and our generation because our kids are telling us I'm getting better. And they're we're seeing that in our kids because they're seeking out mental health help. And so the parents are starting to go, oh, let me look at that. I mean, like we talked about before, I've always been very open to to all different kinds of things. If it resonates with me, it's for me.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01And so I love that you're you have these groups of men that are getting together because we have another project that we're working on, and I think that we need to talk later about that a little bit because maybe maybe there's something there for us to to collaborate with.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love I love working with men. Um I'll I'll say two things. Uh, one is um I remember one time where I shared that my grandfather um sexually abused me uh when I was younger uh to them. And then the host of the the uh Christian reading thing um asked, hey, uh how many people have you know raised your hand on the Zoom? You know, you put your little yellow hands up. It was like 32, 32 out of 45 have been essayed in that group. That's a lot. That's a lot. And so so then you realize you're not alone, you know, and that that that's the the number one key to start off with. If you have nothing at all, no tools, no nothing, is that get around people that have had similar situations that you realize you're not alone. That's kind of one thing that increases the degrees of depression is thinking that you're doing this all by yourself and that no one knows what I feel like, and that is a lie. That is a lie that Satan wants you to believe, is that you're all alone, you no one else understands you, and so you go into a deeper well, and that's not true. There's so many people suffering just like you, and they're just as quiet as you, and they don't want to share it just like you. But I remember sharing that um another thing that I um I did this really long meditation once. It was like this super long five-hour meditation that I did. It was beautiful. I at some point I had this vision of men coming to me. And um I was trying to talk to them to say, like, hey, I don't uh I'm not judging you, you know, I don't I don't judge you. I uh don't care if you know I care that your father wasn't there for you. I know it it's hard for you to explain, you know. And then look one by one, men were coming to me and they had these scales on their eyes, like reptilian scales on their eyes, you know. And uh during this meditation, I was kind of like taking their scales off their eyes. And then I asked myself, my inner self, like, what are these scales, but why are they, you know? And it came very strong. It says false programming. I was like, oh, false programming. Yeah, that makes sense. It's it's all the things that the institutions have taught them, qualified love. You have to qualify for love at a home, you know. It's not quite it's not like unconditional love. Most men are raised in conditional love, you know, so all this different stuff. So removing the scales is like you've been programmed wrong, and you have to more of let go than even learn things that are new. Unprogramming is actually the first place, right? And then also when I finished doing that, these little kids came out. I'm like, whoa, who are these little kids? And then all of a sudden, it was like these are their inner children, like they feel safe around you now, you know. So it was just a beautiful thing. So I knew in that meditation that like they need a man like me who like basically respects the divine feminine and masculine. Like I remember, I remember, I'll I'll share this. Yeah, I'm gonna share this. But there's this, there's this, uh, there's this church leader that I met with. I remember I I I said, um, I was just talking to him and he was sharing stuff with me that was very kind of private, you know, and I'd like my face was just kind of just taking it all in, you know. And he says, you know what, I just realized you have something. And I'm like, what is it? He's like, he's like in the book of um of of uh some book that Paul wrote, he said that they many have uh divers gifts, you know, the gift of discernment, uh, the gift of of tongues, and the gift of of receiving um miracles, all sorts of stuff. He's like, but there's also divers gifts and uh stuff that's not talked about. And he says, you have a gift that you don't judge people when they talk to you. And I remember looking at him straight in the eyes, I'm like, I work at Verizon Wireless as a greeter. Like, how the heck is that supposed to help me out? But then later on, years later, I became a practitioner and I'm like, okay, I see you. I know what you did there. But it's so funny at the time though, it meant nothing to me. I was just like, cool, no judgment.
SPEAKER_01It's like But you never forgot it.
SPEAKER_02I never forgot. No, it stayed with me because I kind of put it on the shelf. But it's interesting, it's kind of like I have this thing where this my gift is. I just like I look at people and and people feel around me, they're like, for some reason I can just tell you anything, it's because I'm like, I'm here to help, man. I don't I can't judge you because if I judge you, it's like there's so much stuff about myself that's like I'm still working on it. So where where's how can I cast the first stone, man? I can't I just can't.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and we're also told that like if we judge, we'll be judged based on how we judge others. So that's one thing that that I that I like to remind myself because like I I have moments of weakness where I do sometimes make a judgment in my mind, but for the most part, I I I kind of resonate with that because I love people and I really want to understand people, and I can't do that if I already have this thought or feeling about them before I hear about that person, you know, before they tell me about themselves.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I I tend to to go towards like, let me just hear this person out. Like it it feels good, it it sounds good, but let me let me feel them out so because I really want to understand where they're coming from.
SPEAKER_02And I put in my um image in my mind, like I can't throw a stone and pick someone up at the same time.
SPEAKER_01I like it.
SPEAKER_02You just can't. It's like you you have to have a hand free to lift someone up. But if you're too busy throwing stones, you're you're literally wasting both of our times.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it's just it's a waste of time for me.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, because you you're not open, it's like what we talked about before too, the love factor. Like you're not open to loving somebody if you're judging them because you can't do both. Um, so you told us that you work with over 120 clients a week using the emotion code and the body code. For someone who's never heard of either of those, um break it down real simple and tell us what they are and why you use them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, let's go to like ABCs, right? So um, so there's a lot of energy healing modalities out there, you know, like there's like theta healing, Reiki healing, there's all these different healings, right? It's just a tool. So I just want to tell people it's just a tool, you know, the same way a doctor uses a scalpel, like an energy practitioner has their own version of a scalpel, you know. Now I feel like it's more pure and more refined, you know. But long story short is our organs and glands are producing emotional energies. So uh our liver, for example, produces anger, bitterness, guilt, hatred, resentment. So that's what the liver produces. So you know people who maybe drink too much caffeine, drink too much alcohol, um, their liver's working extra hard, kind of fatty. Maybe it's easy for them to feel anger, bitterness, guilt, hatred, resentment. And so um, so we're producing these emotional energies that are the size of a tennis ball to like a cantaloupe. And so I always thought my emotions came from the brain, you know, but uh your organs are producing these emotions. And so um, so when you're going through an emotion, you're processing picture like a ball of energy leaving your skin, and then it finally takes off, and then you're quote unquote over it. Or um you have done a full cycle with your emotion, okay? And so these these energies throughout the day, let's say I'm like mad at somebody, right? I'll have anger and it'll show up and then it'll like leave my body and then I'm over it. So we're just these producing these emotional energies the size of a tennis ball, and they're going through our skin, right? To keep it that simple. But the problem is sometimes they're they're so heavy uh that they don't process properly and they get stuck in the tissues of our body, and those are called trapped emotions. And we have dozens of these. You know, we can we can inherit them from our great, great, great, great, great-grandfather that lost their farm, it goes all the way down to you. It's almost like a dormant energy. And then whenever you go through a hard time in business, boom, you wake up your inherited one. Very similar to cancer cells. They're kind of technically cancerous cells in our body dormant, but then certain type of lifestyle that you live, then you kind of all of a sudden it wakes up, you know. Very similar. Um uh you can um and they've tested this in with with uh with rats, you know, they uh they'd zap a rat in like a this maze, you know, and and then they would take the mama out, the mama would have a baby, and then the the baby would go in the maze and stop at the same exact place where that rat got zapped. And then they would take another one and it would go sometimes 10 levels deep in that. So that's that's called epigenetics. It's trauma that goes through uh your conception and things through genetics. And so um, so we can um absorb them, we can absorb them. So you um a lot of cats and dogs, you know, you'll see them start getting sick, means too much fighting in the home. Humans are processing their emotions, leaves their skin of the body, and that cat just sponges it, and then all of a sudden the the cat doesn't want to eat anymore, the cat has stomach issues, is because it's absorbing the emotions of the human, you know, and so we can we can absorb them, we can create them, we can inherit them, we can share them with someone. Let's say you're frustrated at me and I'm frustrated with you, we can actually share a frustration together, and uh so there's that. And um and the way that you get rid of them is through muscle testing. And I'll actually show you how much have you done a muscle test before? Okay, yeah. Which one's your favorite one? Which one do you use?
SPEAKER_01Uh I use rocking, but I can either one.
SPEAKER_02Have you used the uh the Chinese uh finger pad one? Um sticky, yeah. Okay, see. So that's my favorite one. That this is the one that I use. This is the ring and ring method. Okay. So uh you can go on uh YouTube uh for your for your listeners, you they can go on YouTube and find out different ways of self-muscle testing. Okay. So you can do it for yourself. And uh I use a magnet to uh you can use a Hello Kitty magnet, you can use your hand if you want uh to release the emotion. So for example, if I find a trapped emotion in you, I'll just use my fingertips, I'll just use it along your spine and release it, and then I'll check to say, did you did we release it? Okay, we'd push down your arm. Your arm would be strong, means yes. And then if it's inherited, we have to we have to stroke 10 times, and then we check to see if we released it. So it's this consistent muscle testing slash using magnets and and reviewing that you removed it. And I use a chart, I use this thing called a body code chart, has over 250 hyperlinks, has everything in there, like circuits, nervous system, um uh tissues, immune system has every single system in there, and then it just you just direct where to go. Now, I obviously um I do it long distance, so all my clients, I don't meet with them. I do it all long distance, and people might say, Whoa, whoa, how do you how do you do this long distance, right? But um what's really strange is that if you talk to a quantum physicist, you know, about this, they'll be like, Oh, I know what you're doing, you're doing non-locality. This thing called, you know, you're you're using um uh Einstein would call it spooky effect at a distance, or they would call it also quantum entanglement. So it's funny how quantum physics actually proves that energy healing is real long distance. It's just the the regular common person who's just like, how do you connect with someone long distance? You know, but also if you've you've kind of asked them too, how does your cell phone work? Yeah, I don't know. You know, like how do you get a text message from your friend from India? You know, how do you what is electricity? But so it's so funny, we benefit from things that are unknown all the time. But for some reason you want to question an energy healer who knows how to remove something from you, funny, right? Ironic, right?
SPEAKER_01Because it's not FDA approved.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's not FDA approved, so it's good, we gotta take it off the list. So um, but anyway, so you would I would do it long distance and um people would see amazing results doing long distance. And I've gotten to the point where 90% of my clients are only email sessions, so I don't even meet with people at very I only on Thursdays do I meet with about 10, 11 people, but the other 80 to 90 people are all email and they receive all the testimonials, the 950 of them. People just experiencing the email session that comes in. I send them an audio and they listen to what I find, and then their their left shoulder is like, what the heck is going on? My left shoulder feels better, or my reproductive system is better, or my relationship is better with my husband, or I'm attracting more clients now. Where's this money coming from? It's because I've I was working on them, you know. And so it's it's uh it's pretty incredible that you can do something long distance because I feel like that's the way God wanted it. Because um, there's no there's no uh bound to God's love. Like, why can't we reach the child who has depression at age four from Nigeria? Why can't we reach that person? Like, that's to me, like proxy healing is like another another clue that God lives, you know. It's like he can reach down there and help that person. But if you have tools that can help someone out, he'll let the human do what he can do, you know. He can't do everything. So he can, but he'd rather us strengthen ourselves.
SPEAKER_01But we have to take action, like he doesn't just do everything for us, do everything for us. Like even faith is an action word. You don't just sit there and just believe in something and wait for something good to happen.
SPEAKER_02Totally. Otherwise, we'll be waiting a long time.
SPEAKER_01You you you have that faith, but then you have to take action and do everything you can to pursue whatever it is that you have faith in. Like, yeah, like yeah. I know that I'm partnered with God in my business. And I have faith that He will provide for my business. And some days it's scary. Some days it feels like hey, and he'd say no. And then some days it's like I'm in a groove, I'm doing what I need to do, I'm talking to amazing people, I'm sharing amazing stories. I know I'm helping people out there. I know I am now my now. I get to decide or learn or figure out with his guidance and also with some own my own like digging and and learning. How do I reach more people? How do I get more people to see and hear and listen to these stories that show the resilience of humans and how amazing we are as human beings and and that our potential is unlimited. Like there's no ceiling to like, it's not like you get someone, you're like, that's as far as you can go. Sorry, you can't grow anymore. God didn't create us like that either. God created us to be have a limited growth potential.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01And it's the same thing with if somebody else started a business exactly like mine, we're not in competition in my mind. We're working together to help more people.
SPEAKER_02Right. That's that's the abundance mindset you have.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And but that that's also something that I've taught myself to like lean into that. Because I remember just recently I heard a quote that said, faith and fear both require you to believe in something that hasn't happened yet. So what are you gonna choose?
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Because when you're when you're afraid of the future or something, you're believing in something that's not even happened yet. But faith is the same thing. It's like which energy do you want to push towards? Like the negative one where like you worry the whole time, or the positive one where you just just get to have faith and pray and believe that this these things are gonna happen. Yeah, and then they do. But this is gonna happen too, if that's where your energy goes as well.
SPEAKER_02Totally. Yeah, because what you what you um what you focus on does expand. Yes. You know, so yeah, it's very, very uh and and I think the the statistic is um I might be wrong, but I think it's like by the fourth grade, we've already heard the word no like 20,000 times at least, you know. So we're already like programmed negative. I love this this one saying where it says, we're we're um we're created for success, but programmed for failure. And so there's just a lot of unprogramming we have to do. Yeah, and so um, but yeah, so that's um so speaking of the emotion code, and I got essayed when I was young, young, you know. I did actually uh I sometimes like to go vulnerable on Facebook and put something up there that I'm just like, okay, this is like really embarrassing, but I was gonna do this. And so um, I'm gonna do an attunement session on my essay history. So what I did was an attunement is really is really a great word. It's like how much does your body believe in something? This is something for your viewers. This is this is by far the coolest teaching I've received in in energy work, is that your body can actually give you a number of how much it believes in something to the percentage, the decimal point. And so, for example, I have complete peace that I was essayed by my grandfather, and I can muscle test, and I'm like, oh, 19.73, and I can go to the 100th decimal point on that. Your subconscious knows knows numbers. So then I go, okay, great. So, what energies do I need to use in my body to remove so that it goes to 100%? All of a sudden, I've neutralized that path. Instead of me being in the movie, I'm now watching the movie and going like, oh, that's what happened to me. It's a big difference when it comes to trauma. So, like if if someone said, Oh, I've done like many, many years of therapy, which I'm not ragging on therapy at all, but sometimes it's not enough extraction of the emotion. So it still can make you reactive, you know. Um, and so talking doesn't always remove it, you know. I'm saying sometimes it does. Um, but you know, you go if you were to go into a van with a bunch of TVs of the same trauma, you wouldn't want to be in that van longer than a minute. You know what I'm saying? But if I were to neutralize it and do an attunement on you, and I go, go ahead, go into the van, and you're just like just looking at it, going like, yeah, that happened to me. It's because these energies are going pop up pop up like kernels in your body, and that's where you get the anxiety and PTSD symptoms. You see? So I did one for myself. I said, I have complete peace with my mom passing away with cancer. I have complete peace with my um my grandfather who essayed me, you know. I have complete peace. There's just certain traumas that I did that, and so there's a great quote by Dr. Brad. He said that everything that's wrong with your life is just an energetic misalignment. Everything. So just think about it. He didn't say some things, he didn't say one thing, everything is just an energetic misalignment. So what so whatever area in your life that you need help with, it's just 90% is just trapped body emotions, you know, and so um that there's so like I have I work with clients that literally I'm working on every aspect of their life to the point where now every area of the life is like, I am just flowing, you know, into whatever. So now they just connect with the higher self and they say, now they email me, they say whatever my higher self wants to work on. That's wisdom right there. Because higher self, I call it the uh the video game player in the matrix. He's the guy playing the game, and we're like the dreamers in here, just trying to like, you know, put the avatars down here. The higher self is up there going, like, yeah, I actually know what you don't know, you don't know, need work on. And so it's so beautiful the message when I do this healing. I go, like, if I were your higher self and to sit down next to you, your higher self wants you to have more peace with your grandma that passed away. You wants to work on your pancreas, that's why you have back pain, and I want you to have more vision for your life. And like they didn't even want me to work on anything, it's kind of just let the higher self choose. But it's kind of like the higher self by healing certain things, you can tell there's a message that your higher self is trying to tell that person. And that person at that point is just trying to just fight the dull what they don't know, they don't know. Because that now right now they think that everything is just okay, you know, and so it's um it's so beautiful that you can work on every aspect of their life and just remove that trauma, you know. So yeah.
SPEAKER_01I I I think that it's amazing because I I think that therapy can do a lot for a lot of people too. Yeah, but I also believe that some stuff needs just a little extra attention. Some stuff sometimes is so stuck that you can talk your till you're blue in the face, but until you even some body movements help release some of that. Yeah. So like until you do something, that's why I believe in in just movement in general. Like everybody should be exercising to some extent every single day, something. Because just think about any like stagnant is one of those words that we know is just like stuck, like not moving. And then like in my mind, when I hear stagnant, I also think of like starting to rot too, because when something just sits there for so long, it almost like starts to rot. So if something's just stagnant in your body, you want it out. Yeah, that's like that's what's making you feel crappy every single time something that one thing that happens, yeah, like you said, that wakes it up.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01That's why it's woken up every single time is because it's still there. And like, yes, you did all this therapy, but there's just a couple couple little layers that you need to go deeper into it to really get it to just be free from you, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and there's and something that a lot of clients don't like to hear, but I'll share with your listeners to be like, because I want to get to that one listener who's just like, why does this thing keep happening to me? You've you've heard people say that, or you've you've sat down with people where you know they're either confessing to you or you're confessing to them, like there's like themes in my life, you know what I'm saying? And um, what's really interesting about like if you were to go to a therapist, you know, again, I love therapists, not gonna say anything, but I'm just saying go to a therapist, they will tell you like how to cope with your theme, you know. But with body code practitioners, I can actually find an energy that attracts the theme that's different. So let's say, for example, you there's a there's one in the in the body code chart called um broadcast message. And um let's say you're a kid, and um you start growing up to be a teen, um, but your parents think you're not much of a uh a good kid, so they still kind of treat you like a child, right? So all of a sudden you create this message that you're carrying around that says, treat me like a child. So now you go into a relationship, and all of a sudden this person is literally abusing you mentally and treating you like you're just a kid, you don't know what you're doing, blah blah blah. It's like you're so immature, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, why are you like always talking about like the youthfulness or the ignorance of my age, you know? Um, that's because you're wearing a shirt that's broadcasting. And it literally says in the body code says, you will attract people, things, and events that you probably do not want to attract with this broadcast message. Once you remove that, all of a sudden different people start coming into your life that don't treat you like a child, that respect you, that honor you. I had one that was um that I removed back in, who I'm trying to remember when it was. 2000, hmm, where was this? 2000, jeesh. Anyway, it was like around my first year learning this stuff. Uh, she removed a betray me. And she asked me, she's like, hey, um, have you had like any like you know, betrayal in your life, you know? And I was like, Dude, I can write a book on betrayal. And she's like, Well, you have one here, let's let's change this. And so let's put um uh I ri I attract people who honor and respect me. And we changed that, and then like I started getting different kinds of clients, and then I found my soulmate, and then I found all these different things that because I changed the thing that was broadcasting, um, then those things happened. Another thing that's kind of interesting for your for your for your listeners, see, but people don't want to hear that though. It's like, like, oh, like, you know, I had this terrible ex-husband. I'm just like, yeah, you attracted it. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like no, I didn't, like, I didn't want that at all, you know what I'm saying? But it's like there were energies inside of you from childhood trauma that might have attracted that guy. Once you remove it, though, there's new men waiting, higher, elevated men that are waiting. Um, but you have to kind of unlock something to change, change the combination a little bit. Um, but there's something else called offensive energies, okay? Offensive energy. So when I stand with someone 10 to uh 12 feet from you, um my subconscious starts reading your files. So you've you've had this before, trust me, you've you experienced this before, especially since you're an empath. Um, someone goes into the room and you go, Whoa, there's something wrong with that guy. Like I just can't be here for too long. Uh my mom's calling me. Like, so what is that? Could it be, you know, the spirits telling you something? Sure. But what it really is, is your subconscious is reading the files of everyone in the room. Everyone's seeing what they have. Now, let's say you have beautiful, amazing admiration, love, and respect for your mom, and this person has a picture of his mom, but it's like hatred or disgust in there. And you're like, I can't be with someone who totally disrespects their mom. That's not my type of person, you know. That tells me a lot about his character. For some reason, you don't like that person.
SPEAKER_01See, so yeah, so consciously you don't think, oh, he doesn't like his mom, and I love mine. Subconsciously, there's something there. Yeah, you have experienced this.
SPEAKER_02Yes, it's a real thing.
SPEAKER_01And I'm like, I don't know what it is, but it doesn't feel right for me. So I'm not even gonna go there because I don't I don't need to figure it out. I just need to trust my intuition and that feeling.
SPEAKER_02And also you can prove it too. Uh, if you want to have fun with this, uh, go to go to a place where everyone's facing a concert or a movie or whatever, and just stare at the at the back of someone's head, and you all of a sudden you'll see and go, you know, happens every time, right? You know, you'll be like, Why are they looking at me? Because the spirit sees everything. It's if the spirit doesn't it has its own eyes, it's looking everywhere and dissecting everyone's files. So when you're looking at that person, that spirit's going, like, why are you looking at me? Like, you know, and so it's so it's so the conscious brain says, Oh, don't even look to the left. So you get a feeling, it's it's yeah, you get a feeling that someone's looking at you. What is that? It's because the spirit sees that person saying, What are you doing? Why are you reading my files? You know, so it's it's um Tony Robbins is known for saying that like I think it's like 80% is body language, you know, and then like the other percent is uh communication, what you say. But I want to like add more to Tony Robbins. It's that the energy you put out uh from your heart and the files that you have will attract the thing that you're looking for. So it's like you can read every good book on I'm a social person, how to win friends and influence people and everything. But if you're walking into a bar and you have or a club or something and you have the wrong file set up, this is why people are ignoring you, this is why people don't want to talk to you, this is why people will like you for a little bit, then all of a sudden not talk to you anymore. So I hope that helps someone because you can kind of fall into the victim mode where it's like I don't I don't get it why this keeps happening, but there's just do more research on what happened to you in your past, ask your body code practitioner, for some reason this keeps happening to me, we'll we'll find it, get rid of it. I even had this one girl in France where this teacher would pick on her all the time, literally removed it and changed it to a new one, and the teacher might like 24 hours was like, Hey, like, did you do your homework? Awesome, blah, blah, blah. She's like, uh, why are you talking to that way? Um, same thing happens, other girl who um she never got recognized in her corporate uh job. All of a sudden they had a surprise meeting at 11 o'clock, and then the CEO out of nowhere just was going, like, I want to congratulate this person, and everyone was applauding her. She's like, What is I haven't had this for like 10 years? It's because uh, and I think I even wrote a point where it says, like, I am the life of the party, so everyone just started celebrating her. So it's again, it's like if you're going through stuff, just know there's just some bad programming. So we we kind of have a saying in our house where if something bad is going on, I kind of make a joke about my wife, probably hates it in the NSA, but it's like, you know, there's an app for that, you know, that that's my hardest saying, and then she would kind of look at me because really what she wants is my my sympathy and my compassion, you know, hear her out. I know how women work. You know, it's like you have to especially empaths.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because your wife is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like the first thing they want is just for me to have a huge ear and just a duct tape mouth. So I get that, but I really go like, yeah, let's let's like let's look into this. Like there's probably something that's causing that. And there I go, I find it, you know. So um But first you have to let her yeah, let it let her vomit and let the vomit, yeah, go ahead and I learn that the hard way.
SPEAKER_01I can't I can't get to that until I because I process verbally. So I process by saying it out loud and sometimes multiple times. I'm sure my husband gets annoyed. He's like, Yeah, I know. But then once I have it out and I kind of start to understand maybe what it it might be, where it might be from or what it is, yeah, then I'm ready to go, okay, I can I can do something with this now because I've identified like where it's coming from or or I think I have. I think but like just from talking to you, there's some things that have come up for me that that we're gonna talk about later because I truly believe that there's a couple areas that I'm a little stuck, yeah, and it is it's totally my energy, and it probably is something from a long time ago. Not blaming anything on it, yeah, because that's life. We all get stuff from life, right? But being aware that there's a way that I can that I can get it away from me, yeah, totally. Or change the story or change the t-shirt or whatever, you know. If there's a way I can do that, yeah, sign me up because you know, you like get to a certain point and then you're like, there's more, I know there's more for me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But I'm so stuck and I don't know how to get to that next level.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's what you do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah. I I I usually meet with people who have tried different modalities, you know, and like they've just been through the ringer with it, and they literally look at me, they're like, You're kind of my you're like my uh my Hail Mary at this point. I've done it all and now and I and I go, dude, I've been looking for you, you know what I'm saying? Um there's so much hope. And I kind of make a joke about it, like I'm a hope dealer, I'm not a dope dealer, you know. It's like there's so much hope in this. I don't know. Hope, yeah. Um not that I'm anything special, but it's like I found something that's an amazing tool. And with God and the tool, all things are possible, man.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and you're but you're gifted in that as well, I think. I think that that that from doing the own your own work with it, that it's unlocked a gift that's always been there, yeah, but now you're free to bless other people with that gift.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because I think that that's how we all are. I think we all have our own gifts, and like like being an empath sometimes doesn't feel like a gift. Or you're or before you really truly understand what it is, it doesn't feel like a gift. It feels like it feels isolating sometimes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_01Like when I was younger, I used to feel like I'm the only one that cries at the drop of a hat. Yeah, but I'm okay with my emotions because I'm very aware of all of them. Yeah, they're just very ready to come out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like cards are just falling.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I get it. And like I I don't want to sh I don't like shoving it down because that feels really gross to me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so for me, it just like will come out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But the beauty of that is I'm okay being vulnerable because my whole life I've felt like I was vulnerable.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I I'll share this other thing too, if if you don't mind. Um besides energy medicine that do with emotion code, body code, um, I also do regression hypnotherapy too. So um, and this is gonna probably either turn off your listeners or turn turn on. I'm gonna get a mixed bag in about five minutes.
SPEAKER_01But just listen, hear him out because you just never know what's what's gonna resonate for you.
SPEAKER_02And it and it goes back to this. It goes back to, you know, you can either be rich or right, but you can't be both. You know what I'm saying? So like I hate to say this, but it's like I hated being right and being broke all the time. Like, I just you know, and so if if you have if you're a listener here and you're either at the rock bottom, that's solid, or things are kind of working for you, but you haven't had a huge breakthrough yet, it's time to get new information. That's all. Nothing personal, it's just time to get new information. Yeah, because the definition of insanity, according to Albert Einstein, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. And to tell you the truth, I've been insane most of my whole life. Like, I'm gonna just be very blunt and vulnerable. It's like I thought, like, I'm like, if I just do this harder, if I just work harder, you know, if I love harder, it's like then things will change. You know, it's like, no, dude, I'm doing the same exact thing, but maybe like in faster motion, you know. But so what I want to say is um, so I do I do um past life work as well. And this is a very sensitive subject to a lot of people because we're like, whoa, like that actually exists, you know? But why is that important though? Like generational healing or beyond that. No, like so, like uh explain that first. So, yeah, so um so one of the things that I found out is uh there's a really great. Should I open up with a Jesus quote then go into past life? Let's just be like crazy right now. Let's just do it. Sounds good to me. But but there but um there's a great quote, this is one of my favorite quotes. It says, Um, Jesus never had an identity crisis. Okay, he knew who he was before he came here, he know who he was when he came, and he knew where he was going. And when you're that liberated, then you can serve. Okay, so this is the thing is that there is our our souls are way more complex than we think we are. We kind of, and some of us even make a joke about it where we'll tell a kid like, like, oh, he's an old soul. There is there's a whole nother seminar lack like brought into that, but something inside them says, like, why is he so mature as a kid? There's there's a reason for that. There's a reason why Mozart was Mozart. He wasn't playing piano in heaven, like there was a reason why he's been musical multiple times in different lives before, and we've just saw him ignite it at five years old. So genius actually changes now. It's not genius, it's like so many graduations of music that now they finally manifest themselves as a as a genius in that life. So um, so there's a uh there's a story of um I'll this is probably the best story I can share. There's a a friend of mine who was in a party, he's kind of a young guy, and he was just like, he's like, you know what, I'm gonna do some hypnotherapy on these people, you know? And he's like, and people were like, hey, can you take us back to like before we were born? Like, you know, it's like, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Why don't I do that? You know, so then, but then this this girl came in and she said, Um, she says, Can you please do me? Like, I I I want to try this out. This is my first time, you know. He's like, All right, cool, let's do it. So then he takes her back, and then she's like, I'm like, who are you? You know, and she's she names her name there, but she's like in the Roman times. She's like he's like, and she and he's like, uh, who's your husband? She's like he's like Marcus Aurelius. And then he's like, Marcus Aurelius the Emperor, or you know, he's like, no, Marcus Aurelius is that that's his name, but he's not the emperor. He's the chief of this army and this Roman thing and everything like that. He's like, Oh, that's interesting. And he's like, and he's like, What happens to him? It's like, oh, he goes to war and he he passed away, like already, blah blah blah. So she's talking about how she's grieving him. So okay. So then she's like, all right, let's take you even more back, and then went back even more, and then there was she was there, and it's like, where are you now? She's like, it's very prehistoric time right now. It's like, what do you do all day? And just ask questions about it, you know, what do you do agriculture-wise? What are you doing? You know, and then uh brought her back, and she was confused because this wasn't her doctrine that she believed in church. She was kind of just like, oh, hey, like, didn't know I was gonna go there, you know? And then the boyfriend came back from the store, and he brought back chips and drinks, and then everyone's just like, do him, you know. And he's like, Yeah, I just I just work with your girlfriend. Um, do you mind if I take you back? And he takes him back and says, like, where what time is it right now? He's like, it's around Roman time. I mean, what's your name? It's like Marcus Aurelius. Marcus Aurelius, what do you do? I'm the chief captain of the second, second platoon, and blah blah blah. Everything in the same wording as the girlfriend. He says, Okay, let's take you even more back. And then it says, Yeah, I'm in prehistoric times now, and like who, you know, what so it literally matched the girlfriend's thing, and what it's saying is that this couple have been sort of ice skating through life together, through many different lifetimes together, right? And so um this shocked them. They're kind of like, you know, but the reality is is I mean, again, I don't want to go too deep into this, but in the Bible, there are definitely a lot of verses that talk about like this is not this is not your first life, there's other lives before. So the reason why I say it is because sometimes I'll work on people and we don't know why they have a phobia. And the phobia doesn't make any sense with their inherited stuff, doesn't make any sense with their childhood. Where did this phobia come from? You know? Um, and so we would um, and for example, let's say you're very sensitive, right? So could it be possible? See, there's a there's a dichotomy between yin and yang that, like, usually the person who's the slave owner in one life becomes the slave in another life. The person who's the narcissist in one life becomes the empath in another life. So we're we're constantly switching roles to evolve and become more and see what it feels like. And so sometimes you have to go back to recognize like, wait a minute, how was I doing? Wait, what was I doing to people? Wait, I was a slave trader. Wait, so you realize you're like, this is why I'm this way in this life. And by doing that, it heals another part of you that you couldn't find through regular therapy, and you couldn't find through just releasing emotions. So this is another thing that I do. And the only reason why I did it, again, I wasn't even open to that concept until I started finding some clients I couldn't heal. So I was like, hey, what is going on here? It's like I keep working on you, working on you, working on you. What's going on? So then I had to, a book came into my thing. I read it in one airplane sitting, and I was just like, this makes sense. Like this actually, so I would take people back and I'd find their phobias. I'm like, ah, that's where you got it from. I worked with, like, for example, a multimillionaire who um who um never felt like money was enough, you know? And I took them back to some life where it's like um they just had poverty mindset the whole time. It's like they barely were scraping by through life. And so I'd I'd take them to different ages in that life. Like, what were you doing there? I was in the military. What'd you do? I was just working as a waiter in this hotel. What were you doing there? And you could see they were just scraping through life. So if you imagine living another life of 60 years where you're scraping through life, then in this life, you're a multimillionaire. Something deep down in your subconscious is like, I never have enough. So until you come to grips with that other person, you can't feel the joy that he should be feeling as a very well-off person. So again, I'm willing to like make a joke about myself. I'm willing to wear a porcupine suit if it heals somebody from cancer. Like that makes me different as a healer. It's like I'm willing to break out of my dogma, like what people usually believe in, because I care about my fellow man. And I'm like, how do I heal this person? I'm stuck now. So I have to look at things outside my realm, what my church taught me and certain things, just because I'm like, this person's worth it. How do I? They came to me, but I can't help them. What is this? So that's another facet of what we do is like I usually I do a lot of body code, and I would say like 80% of it. We can, you know, if you have a lot of symptoms you have right now, 80% of it could be healed with a motion code body code, but there's still that little 20% that maybe life is amazing, but there's just this one, yeah. Maybe you have to go back and visit this life where you're like, oh, this makes perfect. Perfect sense why I'm there. And I'm not, I don't put thoughts in your head, I just let you talk. And I'm like, what do you see? What do you notice? Another thing that I want to share too is okay, like go ahead. Um, this is great. So another thing that's really interesting, too, and by the way, too, uh, again, like uh if if anybody ever wants to reach out to me and goes like, Well, I'm I'm a Christian, you know, and this is very hard for me to take, I have an hour and 25-minute video that says Christianity and reincarnation, and I will send that to you and let logic and the spirit come over you, and you'll be like, Oh my gosh, so Jesus taught taught it. So if that's the case, then why am I ashamed of thinking this way? You see what I'm saying? Even though the outside sources may think differently, um, a lot, a lot of um, a lot of leaders like to cause fear in you to be like, you know, that that's how they they indoctrinate you into your to your to what to their church and institution, is because they're saying, like, you only have this one life, it's you know, but really you've come back and come back and come back, you know. So, but um another thing that I do before we go into that life is we go into womb regression. And this is where it gets very fascinating. If you ask me what's the major pain point of any man or woman, it's to find their mission in life. It's it's their pain point. They're just like, Am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing right now, please? Like, you know, and I and I love to give this relief. What if I told you that you knew your mission in the womb of your mom? So then basically, what I do is I take someone back to 40, to 30, to 20, to 10, and then they're in the womb. And at that point, I ask that question. I say, I say, I ask a couple questions. I say something like, Do you feel the love of your mom? Do you feel the love of your father? How excited is your mom for you coming? How excited is your father coming? And then I'm asking a few questions and they're feeling it. They're they're like in a deep, deep state. And I go, Do you feel your mom's heartbeat? You know, in their mind, they hear it. Like, yeah, I feel it. You know, so then I go, Why are you here? And then it's usually just one sentence. This is the cool part. People think it's like, I need to be a teacher, I need to be a podcast, or whatever. There's so much relief when the client says, like, this is the life where I learn how to forgive myself. Like, that's it. One sentence. Then this other person might be like, this is the life where I learn how to receive. Or this is the life where I forgive my enemies. So every some sometimes there's sometimes this is the 13th life you try to learn that lesson. But once you get to the womb you and you and you hear it come out of you, and you have a recording that you set it, there's something liberating that happens where you're just like, I'm not gonna mess up on this time, you know? And maybe you graduate, maybe you don't come back. This is you know, you stay up in the in the heaven in the heaven yonders, and because you that was the final test, you know. But uh, and then I tell another one, this is this is a really liberating one, because then there's no such thing as victimhood. Is why did you choose your parents? This is powerful. Why did you choose your mom? See, everything in your conscious brain is like, I didn't choose a narcissist mom, I didn't choose this this dad who's so abusive, he was never there for me. I'm just like, I hate to say this, bud. But when I take you back there and you realize that you chose your dad, that from that day on, you are not a victim. You actually created your own bed, and so that's very liberating for people to hear, you know, because then they're like, oh my gosh, like I'm not a victim at all. So the what it so finalization, what's the biggest dichotomy? Your conscious brain wants peace, joy, happiness, calculation, right? Your subconscious wants growth. This this is the battle. Conscious brain just wants, I just want a peaceful life, just happy, just subconscious like, give me the narcissist husband, give me that hard teacher that picks on me in the fifth grade. Um, give me that bully, you know, it's like, and you before you came on earth, you realize you've mapped it out for yourself. There's major milestones that you literally, with you and your soul group, you have a soul group of people that you guys like keep coming back in different clothing. You're like, I'm gonna plan this out, and you'll have like 10 milestones. Like this marriage for sure has to happen, this religion I joined has to happen. This there's certain like my like irrevocable, uh irrevocable milestones that like it, like God and your counsels they they have to be there. But in between, though, is agency, and you get to choose. But there's certain things that you chose specifically for growth. So, what does that mean? It's like anything that goes across your path that's negative, you are not a you are not in capital letters, you are not a victim. Yeah, you actually had it on your roadmap for you to grow. So I just so sometimes we have to do that type of work to get you to the womb and go to another life because then you realize like I'm a lot deeper being than I thought. Again, this life is to learn about your identity more, and um people can get empowered by that.
SPEAKER_01I've always believed that what I've been through in my life is to serve the purpose that I'm fulfilling right now. Like my experiences with being abused and and um like the the heavy psychological abuse was so because I truly believe it's because God knew that I would use it to help other people. I believe that to my soul. Yeah, and so that makes it so that I don't I'm never like I don't regret anything that's happened in my past because maybe at the time I was like, oh yeah, I want to do this, but now looking back, I don't regret anything because every decision that I made or every obstacle or hard like hardship or difficulty, number one, I was able to learn a lesson from. Yeah, that's one thing I've always been like I feel like I've always been good at is like finding the lesson.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I see, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then also seeing how I could use my experience to help somebody else who's going through a similar thing.
SPEAKER_02Um there's a cool saying to that, it was like your test becomes your testimony. Yeah. But but even further, I'm I'm adding even a little layer to your to your knowledge, and you not only grew from it, but now it's like you chose it. It's like see I believe that that that to me, yeah, see something in your core, see, no matter what you believe in, whatever dogma you believe in, something in our core going, like, somehow I chose this, you know? And um, and it's so funny, like even the uh the little tube that we go through that people when they go have near-death experiences, you know, they see this this tunnel, you know, and um it seems so familiar to you. And I'm just like, like, why is this like it's like I and it's when I'm redoing my hypnotherapy, there's a really great line. I'm trying not to get emotional with this line, but it's just I I just every time I take people through this part, it just gets to me, you know. But it's something like it's like, okay, now we're gonna leave your body. This is during the death period. I I take them to their death period of that life. Like, okay, now we're gonna like pass away and go towards the light. It's like and go back to go back to your home like you've done many times before. See, so it's a beautiful line to me because it's like we go to a place where we do our life review and we go, did I learn my lesson that life? Or I even ask the person what was the reason for that life? I was supposed to learn this. Do you feel like you did it? No. Okay. Well then do you feel like there's a pattern in your life happening now? Yeah. Okay. All right, and then um, do you need to forgive anybody in that life? Yeah, my wife in that life. Okay, let's do that right now. So we just take a little time to just do this little review and go into a healing room. Really interesting. Here's another fascinating part that uh you your your few your reviewer should know. So I work with this guy named uh Andrew. Shout out to Andrew, he's called the psychic firefighter. Anyway, I work I work with him. He's he's a really interesting character, he's like uh UAP, UFO contactee, but he's also uh a remote viewer, he's just an interesting cat. And um, anyway, he started teaching me how to like kind of connect with people's um spirit angels, you know, and so I'll I'll get this inkling when I'm working with someone. I used to not do this before, but I'll be like, whoa, it's like your dad is really close to you, whatever, right? He's like, Oh, my dad did die when I was 14, you know, and then I'll start getting images. I'll be like, I'll like these weird ones, like I'll be like this boat with like the tip like almost towards the sun. And I'm like, I know it sounds crazy, but like, did your dad like love boating? Like, did he have his own boat or whatever? He's like, Yeah, he did. And I'm like, and for some reason, why is the tip like up like that? It's like he went way too fast on his speed boat. I'm like, did he have black, like, did he have these typical black shades, or did he have a journal that he wrote? I'm like, I would just start getting these downloads, and it's it's his dad trying to say, I'm here, dude. Like, and I'm sorry, but like people need to hear that they're not alone, like, and that there's literally people cheering you on on the other side. And um, luckily, my friend taught me how to like kind of like it'll happen. Like, I'll be working on someone, I'll just smear smell a perfume, and I'll just be like, I'm like, that smells like some type of incense. Like, did your mom wear like incense? And like, yeah, she did. And she's like, she's like, the one that like it smells really like bitter. She's like, Yeah, I hated her. This incense that she wore, or this like the oil she used to wear, this oil she used to wear. And she's like, Yeah, I'm like, just though you know, your mom's a lot closer than you think. She needed to hear that because she didn't think her mom was close to her. So people need to hear that. So going back to the regression, when I take them to their their their death name, I'll say, Who's there waiting for you? And I just sit back and just wait. And then they'll be like, There's a female coming towards me, who is she? And it's their guide. It's like it's why it's my grandpa. It's like, so it's kind of cool. Like they get to see their guide and they'll be like, This is actually someone who's helping you out in your current life. I mean, what if everyone in the world knew that there were at least one or two guides that are helping you out and like constantly like caring for you, looking out for you? And so many times that you could have fallen down a pit and they just said, no, no, no, don't go down that road. No, no, no, don't do that. And it's like they're helping you, that helps them with their emotional state too. It's good to know that there's people trying to help you out.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Again, because you're not alone. And I think that's one of the biggest problems. And like you said earlier, it's like a tool that Satan uses is to tell you that nobody, nobody's gonna care, nobody's gonna understand, you're all alone. Like, don't burden people with what's going on, or whatever the words are that he gives you at that time. I truly believe that that's Satan's tool. I I believe in community. I think that kind of COVID kind of messed up community for a little while, but I think we're getting back to it. I think we're realizing no, we need to be around each other. And I think that what you do with men to be able to like be vulnerable and speak in a room about things that are like like for whatever reason, we feel shameful when we're a victim of things like that. Like we could have done anything about it, you know, kind of thing. And um I think it's great that you're doing that because I think that that community helps people to know no matter what, now I've been in this room with these men, I'm not I'm not alone. I have 10 guys I can call tomorrow if I'm struggling and they get it. And when you've been through something like that, I think that your heart is so open to help other people. If you've gotten to the place where you're like accepting what happened and what happened to you, and then working through trying to work through that so that you can be be like free from it, like you said. I think if you're if you're open to that kind of stuff and you find out there's other people that have experienced the same thing, it makes it so easy for you to be able to like, let's talk about this because this is how we can all work through it and help each other work through it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I think you know, a lot of people have what they call the father wound, or they have the mother wound, you know. But again, there's something different that happens when you're under hypnosis and you're being recorded, and you say that I chose my father. It's a whole nother like when you your body actually says it, like, whoa, I chose my father, knew he was gonna be like that. There's something very liberating that a man or a woman they need to hear. And um, yeah, it's kind of like it, it's uh it's beautiful. Your spirit just wants growth, it's just looking for any opportunity. And the way we unfortunately, the way we grow is there's some forms of suffering. No, for real though.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's not it's not all like like roses, it's just you wouldn't be where you are and who you are today if you didn't suffer with the things like questioning who am I who am I, why am I doing this? Why aren't I spending time with my kids? Why aren't I doing whatever it is, whatever it was at that time? But you have to have because the greatest growth I've ever achieved in my life was from the hardest things I've been through.
SPEAKER_03Totally, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And when I go through really hard things now, my perspective's different. I have a daughter that was born 16 weeks premature, and that was really, really hard. Three and a half months in the hospital, don't know if she's gonna be okay, don't know how her life is gonna look. Fortunately, she's a beautiful 22-year-old woman now, and she's she's great, she she's amazing, she's she's wonderful, and she's like world. But at that time it was really scary. But I just remember like this is the first time I had the thought like this is for your growth. Yeah, figure out what that growth is. Right because you can actually kind of move through challenges a little bit more quickly or with ease, maybe, if you look at it like what am I learning from this, instead of oh my gosh, this is awful and why is this happening to me? And in those thoughts, I try to shift my thoughts to what lesson am I supposed to learn right now? I have that moment of sadness and poor me and like that kind of moment. I allow that because I think that's part of that processing the emotion part, but really getting to the part where I can look inside and go, what do I need to learn right now from this? Like, what is the lesson that this awful moment is teaching me? And then in hindsight, it felt awful in the moment, but like I'm so grateful that I got to learn that lesson.
SPEAKER_02And you probably not probably, I know for a fact that you spiritually probably were as bright as you can be in regards to like help, I need help down here, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's weird how like whenever times go really hard, our knees bleed the most because we're asking God for help, you know. But what's interesting is that now if you meet a body coat practitioner, whether it's me or someone else, we can say, you know what? How much peace do I have with my child being born early and be like, oh look, you're 17%. And then it's like maybe I've been carrying this for some time still, you know? Let's get it to 100%. And I'm even kind of like, I'm not gonna say a masochist in some way, but like wait two days so you're done, not done, um, so you're done healing, right? Because you're processing for two days, and then um, and then I want you to meditate for five minutes about those three, was it three weeks early? Sixteen. Oh, sixteen. So, so so so so.
SPEAKER_01She fits the palm of my hand, shears a pound and a half. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02So, but like meditate about all the things that were happening there, and there's this wave of peace and calm that comes when you do it. If you were to meditate about that right now, just for five minutes, some things would pop up that you're like, oh, yeah, I don't like thinking about that, whatever. And that's because there's still energies that that were created at that moment. Make sense? That's like your body's like, we can let that go if you want, you don't need to keep it. So you're really good at the hindsight. You look back and you're like, I know what I learned, I know what I grew, but that doesn't mean there's nothing, you're not pulling something behind you. You know what I'm saying? And you never know. For example, it's kind of I'll do this interesting crossover there. For example, you'd be like, um, you could have created something at the time where it says life isn't fair, like this despair anchor. Despair anchor means you're looking for something to be true, it's in the body code. Um, life isn't fair. So now you're like a heat-seeking missile. You're like, how else can I prove that life isn't fair? Oh, there's another one, and there's another one. That that's called a despair anchor. And you could have created it during the time of little baby on hand, right? But now, watch that that event's over. But guess what is still in your body? The life isn't fair. I'm still looking for ways to prove that life isn't fair. But it came from a baby incident. You see, you remove that, all of a sudden you stop looking for that because it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy now.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02You know, like uh that's what a despair anchor does. So um, similar to a broadcast message, it's like a self-fulfilled prophecy to attract the wrong people, the wrong events, wrong situation. It's like careful what you wish for in your subconscious, not careful what you wish for in your conscious, careful what you wish for in your subconscious, and then it'll happen to you. So um, yeah, you're you're a tough mama to handle that. That's that's if I saw my baby in my hand, I would just be like, oh boy, like my stress level would be it was right. Yeah, I bet. Like I, whenever someone says I've been in the Nikki or whatever, I'm like, dude, more power to you. Guarantee there were angels flooding that place, hell trying to help you out. So um, so yeah, so more power to you. I'm glad you you you got you grew through it. You know what I'm saying? It's not yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, when you have multiple times when your child can die right in front of you, they're here, they're you like they made it here, but they're so fragile, it's all like there's multiple times they can pass away. It feels different.
SPEAKER_03Different, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It feels different. It feels very different. I don't know how to describe it. It just it feels it feels like a lot. Like a very big roller coaster ride of emotions through those three and a half months. I think I felt more emotions than I felt my whole life, probably.
SPEAKER_02I can only imagine. I mean, I can't, I will never say I can fully relate to that. I'm just saying that it's it was probably um really, really hard. I know um, again, this is like nowhere in comparison at all, but like uh uh my son got into an accident where uh a 17-year-old or 16-year-old went down a slide and hit his skull. The heel hit his skull, and it created a golf ball uh fracture in his skull. And uh I to see my son and seeing that like a golf ball indentation in there was like I wanted to just, you know, I'm like, dude, this isn't good. And I and at first he was just crying and like he wanted to throw up and crying. And my wife was like, You're gonna be fine, you know, just consoling him. But then she went somewhere else and I looked around and said, I'm like, oh no, he's not fine. Like this is uh this is bad, and um, how God works, right? Because I believe in God, I believe in miracles, I believe in angels. And I'm like holding this baby, and out of nowhere, this guy comes up. He's like, Hey, I saw your uh saw your accident happen. Is your son okay? I'm like, no, I'm like, I think I should try to keep him awake, you know? And uh he's like, Yeah, he's like, I saw it, it was a really bad hit. He's like, hey, I want to let you know that he's gonna be fine. I was like, Oh, who are you? He's like, he's like, um, he's like, I have the same exact place where he got hit on my head, and he literally had a scar in his head of the same location of where he got his head. And I was like, Oh, he's like, Yeah, I had a surgery, they connected all the bone pieces together. He'll be fine, don't worry about it. He's like, Do you mind if I give your son a blessing right now? I'm like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, give him that, you know? And he's like, Yeah, so we went downstairs and he like gave him a blessing, and then as soon as he was done with the blessing, my wife bolts in and says, Let's go to the hospital, you know. And then I took him on a helicopter ride from St. George all the way to Vegas, and and luckily no parts hit his brain and everything. But it's just just to say, like, there's a saying where it says, Many of us have entertained angels unaware, you know, and it's just what what is the likelihood of someone coming to say he's gonna be fine? And he says, I have the same thing on my head. Like, I don't even know if that guy even was real, like you know what I'm saying? But but that's what I'm saying. Like, um, the the more you're for clients that are listening, if you look back in your life, there's certain people that have come in there and they've said certain things to you that if they didn't say this to you, you would have gone left. But you went, you know, you went right because of the counsel. Guarantee you've you've entertained angels unaware. So so so um keep a journal. Like uh here's another thing I want to tip for you guys. It's already proven. Scientifically, it's proven if you have a gratitude journal, make sure you write in it every single day. Just write three things right when you wake up, it's like what are three things you're grateful for? It is literally proven that if you do that for a month, 60 days, 90 days, your brain starts changing the way it sees things. Like it's just true. So if you have no tools at all, um start with a gratitude journal. That's a good place to start. And then a second little tip is what if you had two angels that you can't see that follow you around? Why don't we just start imagining that they're there because they're there, and if I took you back into regression, you'll even know their name. So I know they're there because I've seen too much at this point. You know, I have to deny the son at this point.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, so but but imagine there's two of them there that you're always looked after, so you're not alone, right? And um, and then get some healing done, get some uh get some unprogramming done. You're not broken, you're definitely not broken. And if you there's a reason why you hear people's podcasts of information that expands your brain, like like that podcast was sent to you. You attracted that podcast to your life.
SPEAKER_01Even if it shows up in your Instagram algorithm, yeah, it's still it's something that caught your attention and you went into it.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01Because it can pop up and you can swipe right past, no problem.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01But if it pops up and you hear some words, and then all of a sudden you're like, I want to hear more. And you go to the episode, I believe the same thing. I think that because I've listened to podcasts. I've never listened to anything else but this one podcast from this one, you know, this one episode of this person's podcast. Never listened to it before or since or again, but this one episode was for me. And and I know that because of the things that I learned and the way that I was able to make changes in my own life because of the information that I received from that podcast. And so I just look at it like, oh, thank you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you're you're you're literally um how do I say this? Like, if we want to be on the on the dogmatic side, they've said I've heard that people sometimes say that the Bible is like love letters from God. But I also want to say in that there's love letters being sent other ways. It's either through people, it's through books, it's through magazines, it's through TV, through TV shows. He's always like, you know, if you see the movie, what's the most blastless movie I can I can think of, um, the Jim Carrey movie, where like, you know, Morgan Freeman's God, you know what I'm saying? But but in there, there's a beautiful part in there. It's just like you can do all these types of miracles, but you can't make her love you. I was like, whoa, like that's deep doctrine right there. You know, like like there's some deep stuff in that movie, but there was a part where he's like showing signs in the sky, and it says, like, I love you, or there's like all these like markings on the tree, and she's just walking by like as if it's not there. It's like that's real. That like God will find ways to get to you, usually at uh depending on the openness of the venue, you're willing to receive it. Yeah, so so my push for your people that are listening is like just open up everything, just say, God, if you're out there, man, open like make it through a magazine, a podcast, a friend, a fortune cookie. I don't care. Like, you know, just come to me. Like I'm willing, you'll see things start popping up. Oh, for sure.
SPEAKER_01I experienced this a year ago when we started this business, and we're like I three different times a a quote or a scripture or something popped up in like whether it was in in an email, in a message, in like one of them I know was on Instagram. Yeah, and like after that third time, I'm like, okay, I'm listening. Yeah, no, yeah, because it was the same message, yeah, just in three different ways, but same message.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And it it's like one of those things, and I'm like, I can't deny what that is.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And it stands for unity too, so like a united message, you know.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because it was to to just trust in the Lord. Because and to be patient. Patience is one of those things that I get a lot.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Sometimes I'm not. But it it was to be patient and trust in the Lord. And like I I held on to that with like white knuckles because I'm like, I like this one and I'm gonna, I'm gonna save this. And yes, I will. I will be patient, but I will work hard and I will trust in the Lord that He'll make it all work out for me. Because I I believe that. I believe that He wants us to be successful. Imagine what how much more I can do if I don't have to worry about paying my bills, if I don't have to worry about how I'm gonna, you know, how am I gonna do this, how am I gonna do that. If if I have this abundance of wealth, my message can reach further because now I can put more money into spreading my message further and and having it show up for more people. Because I think that that's how it works. I think that if we're respectful of what his wishes are for us, then we receive more blessings. If he gives us something and we go, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna do this with it because I'm honoring you by doing this, but it's also serving the purpose that thou would have me do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then I think that I just feel like almost like like carried through certain certain things that are a little challenging because my trust is so heavily and my faith is so heavily in the Lord that He's like, We're partners, let's do this together. Don't be alone, you don't have to be alone. And and maybe it is my angels helping me too. Whatever it is, it's all from God.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so being able to focus on trusting in him and being patient and letting him work out all the details. I feel like every direction that that we've taken in our business is like him just being like, okay, now you're ready for this. Okay, now you're ready for this kind of thing. Like, because you have to grow into the person that you have to be to in order to do a certain thing. Totally. Yeah, it's all growing. And and it's just a matter of like how much do I want to like really push myself to be able to grow that much? Because you it takes energy to expand as well and to allow those things in.
SPEAKER_02Can I use that word growy from now on? I like that word growy. Yeah, I'm like, oh, what this is this is a growy kind of situation. Growy. Yeah, feel growy. I'm gonna start using that term now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Makes sense for sure. Now let's talk about your faith and your healing a little bit more.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Just because I love that connection because I think people think, oh, if somebody's like spiritual or they talk about energies or this kind of thing, then they usually don't believe in correct in God. Yeah. And like they don't understand how they truly do work together.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna just say a little snippet of something that I learned that I think is connected as well. Is my husband who built our AI, built another AI that um works with astrology.
SPEAKER_03Oh, cool.
SPEAKER_01Would I we did a little like let's do our relationship kind of thing. We put that in.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01The things that came up were like these, like this doesn't know me at all, but it knew everything about my life and about my relationship and where we struggle and where we have to give each other a little grace. Yeah. And it was like it was kind of beautiful because it helped us understand each other a little bit better. Great. And it helped me see that astrology isn't woo-woo. Astrology is showing is God showing us how truly connected everything is in the world in the universe. Like just seeing how the place you were born, the time you were born, what was happening in the universe affected who you how you showed up on this earth and who you became on this earth. And I think that's beautiful. And I think that's just it goes along with what you said earlier about how we chose things for ourselves.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And even down to the second that we were born.
SPEAKER_02It's it's true. And I I think um, yeah, so and something to look into too. There's a there's an app that I recently was created just maybe two or three months ago, and it's called the the Oracle Code, something to look into. Um, but um it's uh it uses numerology and scriptures combined.
SPEAKER_05I love that.
SPEAKER_02And and yeah, and it I uh I love it because I I I put um I've even put my dreams in there, and like AI through scriptures tells you like how spiritual your dream is and what it really means or what it could mean. So then it kind of opens up your eyes even more, going like, oh, I never thought about that, you know. So um, but it with numerology you can also say, I'm I'm gonna go business partner with someone. Let's put in his birth date and then check the code to see if we're compatible for business partners. You know, it's like, oh, like here's my son. Why can't I relate to him better? Okay, let me put his code in now. Let me see how it matches. And numerology tells you his strengths, his weaknesses, his spiritual strengths. It's like it's it's it's really interesting. So um, and um, yeah, so it's not something to it's cracle code. It just came out two months ago. I'm a big fan of it. Um, but anyway, um, so the uh I really feel there's a there's a saying that I have that's um probably like they'll throw me out as a heretic, and and it is what it is, you know. But um, I always say that like when energy healers accept Christianity and Christianity accept energy healers, I think this world will change, you know? And so um, because I feel like what we tend to do is we lean too hard. It's I I call it leaning, you know. You learn something new, and it's just like, oh, crystals, crystals are amazing, you know. Well, crystals were made by God, right? But if you start like worshiping crystals, we got some props here, you know what I'm saying? And so, and so, but you can use crystals as a tool to get closer to God if you want, you know what I'm saying? Um, or you can use the body code to get closer to God. I I have practitioner or clients that say, Um, are there any blocks from holding me back to having a better relationship with God? I'm like, dude, this is my favorite session, you know, because this is what I want for you. I'm like, these are moments of light, dude. Let's let's lead you to the real light, you know what I'm saying? And so um, there's people that do that, and it and it's it works amazing how uh and I'll have to talk to you about I didn't bring up the heart wall. This is like the greatest discovery in energy medicine. Well, really. So I'll I'll bring it up. But what I was gonna say was that um, and actually, let me let me segue that. Um, so um, if you how do I say this? If you look at Dr. Brad's story, first of all, he's a chiropractor who's Christian, right? And he prays before he meets with clients. That's a good beta test of the founder of something. You know, it's like that was that was without all the modalities. That's what he was doing. That was his modus operandi. And so he would pay pray in private, and then he'd be like, all right, here I'm here to work with you now, you know, whatever. And he said that sometimes he would get this download of information from about someone, and he'd be like, Okay, you need this, this, this, this, this. How do you know? You know, it's like um those, and he says that doesn't happen, it happens once in a while, but then he kind of concluded with himself, he's like, I gotta keep connecting to source to God before I meet with anybody. Because it's like God cares more about this person than I do. I'm just the V, I'm just the vessel. And so because of that, it's like he became the vessel to bring in this modality to get here, right? And um, you know, I had sushi with him one day, we became very good friends because I created a program to help practitioners go full-time, not because I have cool hair. I was just like, I was like, hey, look, like we have 5,000 practitioners, but we need like 500,000 practitioners. So I'm like, I created a training program. As soon as I told him that, he said, let me fly you out to my house, and then we became really good friends. Two things I found out about him that were very interesting. One is he flew me out, he he, you know, and Jesus says, by their fruits ye shall know them, you know. And you know, he flies me out to an Indian reservation. I thought someone was gonna fly us, right? I was like, this dude flies a plane himself. Well, I was like, just nervous, just like, you know, and he's flying me out there, and we're going to a landing pad. There's a white van there. I'm like, this looks like a drug deal. Like, this is not, this is like a terrorist deal or something. We go down there, it's just Native Americans waiting for us there. They take us to the reservation, poverty, just all out poverty and just drugs involved. It was just a very rundown place, and he's up there teaching people on stage how to heal their body, and he's just like, Yeah, I've I've received information that it's like it's time for these people to blossom, to blossom with this work, and they will blossom like a rose. And I was like, let's do a man. So I was like videotaping him, and he was just healing this huge in a Native American Indian guy working on his heart wall, and you could see his physiology change and his face brighten up for the first time. And like I'm watching him going, like, dude, that guy just changed in like eight minutes, like you know, and so um, and he told me too, he said, for some reason, like with these type of people, I remove two or three things and like spinal issues change. Like, I don't have to go like a whole session. It's like their body is just ready to receive. He's like, just different culture, you know. I was like, Yeah, that is interesting. So, um, so there's one thing. The second thing he said is he said, um, I said, hey man, just between you and me, like, where do you see the emotion code going? Right, and this is how a Christian answers, and he answered like a Christian. He's just like, um, because I told him, I said, you know, I've I've uh I've led a lot of people to God uh with this work because I go, I told I said the founder prays. And so they go, like, you know, if you talk to an atheist or agnostic and then you fix their body pain, they're gonna ask, what does the founder believe in? Like, because I'm healing, like, where does this healing come from? You know, and um I said, I've I've done a lot of like missionary work with this stuff, you know? And he's like, it is missionary work, you know, just very blunt to me, it is missionary work.
SPEAKER_01I was like, Well, he that's not his thought, that's his not knowledge. He knows like he knows when you say something so matter-of-fact, it's because that's your belief, like you know that's to be true.
SPEAKER_02And then on top of it, on top of that, he was like, Um, on top of that, he said, um, I said, okay, so does it expand to like other, does it get bigger, bigger, more codes come in, whatever? And here's this is the shocker. If you were some egotistical, um, you know, kind of like megalomaniac person, you know, you'd be like, we're gonna do 30 codes out there and just this expansive and go all over on the galaxy, you know. He didn't say that. He actually said there will come a point where people will start believing in miracles again, and there'll be no use for the emotion code anymore. I was like, Whoa wait, what? Like, wait, repeat that again? What like no use for it? It's like we just need a few people in the world to believe in miracles again. And um, emotion code was just to prepare people to believe more.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_02I mean, that is the most Christian thing I've ever heard my entire life.
SPEAKER_01But that feels very powerful to me, too. When you said that, like, I'm like, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and and it kind of shocked me because I didn't expect that answer. But um, but it makes sense. He's like, our our our ancient spiritual fathers would just say, you know, in the name of Jesus Christ or the name of God, like stand up. It's like the world has been so fallen now. It's like we don't even it's hard to fathom that anymore. So the emotion codes kind of it's almost like when I work on someone and some huge thing goes away, they're starting to believe like, was that a miracle or was that my immune system? Like, what was it? But at least it opens up their mind to like maybe miracles are real, you know? And then boom, now that message gets spread. And he's gonna say it that some point, if it spreads far enough, people will just start saying, in the name of the creator, be healed. And so we're not there yet. But so I thought that was the most Christian answer I've ever received. In fact, in the book of Ezekiel, it talks about how the Lord will make your stony heart into flesh. So I'm here to tell you in this podcast before the ears of everyone, that that time has come right now, where God is trying to help us to make our stony heart into flesh so that we can become one heart, one mind right now. And so Born was the emotion code. What's really beautiful is that uh the the the foundation of it was um Jean, the wife of Dr. Brad, had a dream. And uh there were there was like you know those diners where they have those little um receipts on it. There's like this little spinning thing. So it's like old school diner stuff. So so so there was there were two papers there, those there's actually three of them. And when she looked into it, those two were like things she needed to work on and like symbolize that, like that she needs to work on herself. But then there was this third mysterious one that like she couldn't figure out what it was, right? And so she told Brad about it, and Brad's like, let's pray about it. Let's pray about it, let's muscle test it, you know? So then one day he goes into his his office. I don't know if you read this in the emotion code yet, but goes into his office and he starts having a waking vision, and his floor starts changing to this beautiful, pristine floor, and he's just like, What is happening? And a voice came to his head and says, Your wife's heart is underneath that floor. He's like, huh? So then he like started asking questions, or hey honey, I need a muscle test so you push on your arm and ask you certain questions. And it wasn't called a heart floor, it was called a heart wall. And we build this every time we've had this before, um hope, where like your heart feels heavy, feels like it's gonna break, you know, it's like usually during confrontation, grief, um, stressful times. Guarantee your heart almost broke multiple times during you know, holding your little baby like that. So you're you you can die of this thing called broken heart syndrome, and uh and it's a real thing that through emotional stress, the tendons inside your heart stretching, and then it rips, and your heart collapses, and you die of broken heart syndrome, and then you're the you're the the pale uh body in the morgue with with a little tag on it that says BHS, which stands for broken heart syndrome, you know. So I don't even know why I put my toe up there, like as if like you know, imagining there. So um, but um, but people die of that all the time, especially like let's say your your husband dies, the wife dies with some heart complication, probably broken heart syndrome. Um, and so what happens our body is so smart, it takes a trapped emotion and places it over the heart to protect it from breaking. And so the good news is you live another day. The bad news is now you have a heart wall. So you know, hope how it was like if you had a pretty healthy childhood, for some reason, like time was a lot slower, the the sun was a little bit brighter, clouds look different. You know what I'm saying? It's like this weird thing. I get it when I watch um nostalgic TikTok videos of the 90s, and they have that music in the background just like take me back, take me back, you know, and but but I always tell people, I ask, especially men, um, why was time slow? Why was the rainbow brighter? Why was the sun brighter? You know, well, because you're an ignorant little kid, you know, you don't know what's gonna come to you, man. You're gonna get hit with those bills, you're gonna get hit with the with the cell phone bill taking care of kids, your wife's gonna be yelling at you. It's like they start talking about their reality. And I go, there's something that that could be it, but there's something deeper. Back then you didn't have as many walls around your heart, so you felt more, you experienced life differently, but now you're an adult and you're like in a bomb shelter trying to hug your wife through her bomb shelter, and you can barely touch her fingers, so you feel numb. That's why the divorce rate's so high, 50%. You divorce at 72%, you divorce again 90%. It's actually it's like almost like a 20% increase of potential divorce rate. Why is that? It's because you keep building more walls through your divorces, and then all of a sudden you're even more numb. And so here are the eight symptoms. Tell me if you can relate to any of these. Um, I bet your listeners will. Number one is you could just have low energy, low energy, low immune system, you know, because they found out that your heart's sending mess. This is now science now. Your heart is sending messages to different parts of your organs and glands, and your brain is also, right? If you have lots of walls around your heart, guess what your heart's doing? Sending mixed messages to your organs and glands. So now they're not working at its highest capability. Number two, lack of clarity of your mission in life. So you and you might be like, well, I already know what my mission is, you know. I would have to refute that and say consciously your brain does, but your heart hasn't fully accepted it yet. So that's why there's moments of drudgery, that's where there's moments of fear, that's why there's lack of flow sometimes. It's like hard to get into the pocket. It's because the heart's not singing with you while the brain is singing at the same time. That's the second one. The third one is um when your husband um gives you love and affection sometimes, maybe you're just like, eh, I see it, I just don't feel it like I used to. Like, what is that? You know, but I love him. I don't know, I just feel kind of numb, you know. Same thing happens with your husband. You may be giving love and affection. He's kind of just like, eh, you know. So what is that? It's not that he doesn't like you, it's just that he he used to feel it more when he was younger, you know. Then the fourth one is how many times does this happen? You tell something to your husband, and he gets mad at you and snaps at you, and you're just like, dude, I was just trying to just say this. You know, it's like, no, you're being rude. I'm not being rude. So what is that? It's because you your heart sends out these beautiful, clear messages, but it has to go through all these walls fear, depression, resentment, anger, whatever. By the time this message, and and Brad has the best example of this, he'll say a beautiful butterfly from the heart, but then it's like a weird-looking bat when it comes out. And so the the bat is what your partner receives, and so they're like fighting words, you know. So it's it's tainted.
SPEAKER_01It's almost like adding filters to the message, so the message comes out different than it was sent.
SPEAKER_02Yes. So imagine two people sending mixed messages and two people feeling desensitized, aka recipe for disaster. So people wonder like, why are relationships so hard? It's because you have two people who love each other who have a similar luggage. This is this is Dr. Brad Verbiage. Two people say, Hey, you have a lot of baggage, and it's like, yeah, you have a lot of baggage too. So we have the same luggage size. We have a similar size. Like, dude, we should get married. So you get married, but then you're like in a bomb shelter, and then you're like shooting love blanks at each other. You're wondering why it doesn't work, it's just hard. So um the last one is abundance, financial abundance. So, why would an abundance show up? Well, it is because when your mind is clear on your mission and your heart is clear in your mission, and you can receive your clients' love, and you're giving clear love to others, doors start opening where you could, because people just want to support you and be like, How can I help you? Like, how can I lift you up? Because the way you make me feel, I want to like make you rise, right? Then sixth, seventh, eighth is depression, can cause depression, anxiety, and triggers. So that's an eightfold thing. And um, so he said it's the greatest discovery. So when I sat down in his house and I was just like, we were sitting down next to each other, I'm like, you know what, Brad? I'm gonna discover something I'm gonna call the greatest discovery in energy medicine, you know? And he was just kind of joking around laughing. He's just like, have you done it on people? I'm like, I have. He's who you who have you worked on? I'm like, I've been doing pro bono work for PTSD military uh victims, you know? Because I came out of military school for three years, and my military mentors were falling apart. The people that chose to go back to Vietnam and have purple hearts, and they still went back because they still wanted to fight, yeah, they were not right in their head when they came back. They started having health issues, they fought with their wives all the time, they couldn't hold a job. So I went deep to the trenches to see. I'm gonna do six pro bono sessions for you, I'm gonna do 12 pro bono sessions, and they started changing and changing and changing. So in my mind, I'm like, wait a minute, if I can help out an 11 year war veteran or a four year three year war veteran, how can I help out a civilian? You know, because they have their own trauma, which could be their narcissist mother, it could be the narcissist's father, it could be their narcissist two exes, you know what I'm saying? They've gone through some stuff, it's like a war. You know, the body doesn't know what's the difference between you with fight or flight, whether you're fighting a bear or you're fighting your husband. It thinks it's the same thing, you know, so that's why your cortisol goes up and you start you know gaining weight or whatever. It's because you're a fight or flight. And so um I've cleared over 4,000 heart walls at this point, and I have seen some stuff. I mean, I've met even women who have said, I have a completely different husband. Just what'd you do to him? And I'm like, just had walls, just just numb, you know, and he just he wants to feel you again, but he just can't, you know. But luckily those walls preserved him. But it's time to like get out of your bomb shelter. Imagine like going to a forest and not being able and and looking at through a bomb shelter. How much are you gonna enjoy it? You know, and you know, Johnny Depp is buying what his seventh house, right? But it's like it's because he doesn't feel anything. Johnny Depp, see, like Johnny Depp deserves it. Johnny Depp is watching this. Um Johnny Depp, you're watching this, bro. It's like, I know why you're buying the eighth house, and you know, and I know why you attracted someone like Amber Heard. It's because he's got a wall, he's numb, he doesn't feel anything. That's why he maybe resorts to alcohol, it's because he just wants to feel again. And so it's sad because he's served so many people, and in the movies he's done, like, doesn't he deserve peace? Yeah, doesn't he deserve love? But it's the walls, you know. So that's I wanted to share with you like like in the Bible, in Ezekiel, I'm trying to remember if it's you know, chapter 20 or chapter 30, I don't remember, but it does say in there, I will make your heart, your your um stony hearted to flesh. That work has already begun. And the way that we create um peace in the world is imagine if 10 million people clear their heart walls and all those say eight symptoms are gone. That's how you change the world. Yeah, you know, and so so it's a movement. See, it's like when I look when I do this work, I'm not looking at it like I'm clearing just one heart wall and they're gonna change your life. I'm looking at like I'm part of a movement. I'm actually on a mission to clear as many walls as I can because you're not living at your fullest heart potential. And um, so anyway, so that's kind of uh that's the greatest discovery. So whenever I work with people, I always kind of like nudge them. I'm just like, we may want to throw the heart wall on your list there, you know, like we got a lot of stuff to work on, but you never know. The heart wall could be bleeding into these different areas because they go, Oh, I want to make more money. I'm like, that's a hardwall issue, too. Yeah, my relationships aren't going that great. That's a hardwall issue, you see. So a lot of it can come back to that subject.
SPEAKER_01I like that. And then I would add that by removing those heart walls, you're opening those people up to love bigger and and be better to the people around them and inspire the people around them to go and and do the work to have their heart walls removed. Because when you feel that it's like any sort of healing that you experience, you want everybody to feel that way because you feel so freed from whatever had burdened you before, whatever had made you feel off or out of alignment or whatever. So I think that that that work isn't just affecting one person at a time. I think it's affecting their community around them as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I and what you were saying is is is really true. I I uh I was gonna say that um you being an empath, you know, you're probably feeling a lot of mixed messages being sent to you. So people all around you are having heart walls and they're trying the best to communicate to you and talk to you. You're like, whoa, like what is that? Just picture this like butterfly, then changes to a bat and you're getting it, and you feel it too much. You're like, okay, I need like a timeout, you know. But if you have people around you that had no heart walls, you can stay there in my in power around people because you're feeling their love. That's why I feel like people who tell me, um, I have social anxiety, you know, um, usually a lot of it has to do with like very perfectionist parents that were very critical, usually with them. That's kind of what I found out in my in my work that I do. But it's also the fact that they have a heart wall, so they don't feel people's in uh intentions of love. So if you imagine going up to a crowd of people and people are still smiling at you, but you feel numb, bad news bears, you start getting anxiety because we were our bodies were meant to feel interconnected with others. Yeah, we were meant to feel like one consciousness. What is the heart, the heart wall is the antithesis of one consciousness, you can't produce that effect. So when you remove the heart wall, you finally go, whoa, we are all connected. And people that I thought didn't love me, actually, I feel love from them so that your anxiety goes down because you can't feel connection and anxiety at the same time. You just can't. And you can't feel depression and connection at the same time. So if we get your connection level high and you feel people's love more, depression and anxiety don't exist. So, um, and triggers don't exist. How do you get mad at someone if you're feeling their love? Just try it. It's really hard. It's like you're actually I'm not saying you're you're seeing their love. This is a key. You're not seeing the love, you're feeling their love. You can't get angry at them because it's just like, whoa, I feel so loved from them. Okay, drop down the guns. Yeah. So um the armholes are very big deal in the in the body body coat work.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I like that. This has all been so like fascinating to me because I again I I know that there's something out there for everybody to try to help themselves feel more whole or more themselves or more healed, or whatever words you want to use. I truly believe that like we just have to find it. And I want to just give all the information and let people feel like what is right for them and go for that. Because it might start somewhere, and then as they go, they remember this, and they're like, Oh, but that guy, he can he can go deeper into this, and maybe I can get some relief from whatever because it does, it feels like something that's just holding you back sometimes. And that that freedom from it, just like just from my own healing that I've done myself, just that freedom from certain things when I when I'm able to break through whatever it was, is just so invigorating and so like it just makes you feel so light, yeah, and so like filled with joy and happiness.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01And so when you feel that, you're like chasing that high instead of the pain high. Because it's like it's also one of those things where people sometimes keep doing the same thing over and over because it's familiar. I know what this is. Yeah, that over there is unfamiliar and scary. So I'd rather be miserable in my familiarity than go over there and try something that I don't even know what it is, and it just feels like too much.
SPEAKER_02Totally. That's a really that's an interesting thing that you said. I I also another great book that really affected me a lot. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's called uh Underst uh The Map of Consciousness Explained by uh Dr. David Hawkins. Okay, and it talks about how all of us are on different levels from like zero to a thousand. Now, guilt and shame are the lowest levels, right? But um 500 to a thousand is like upper echelon, very spiritual people, like Buddha and Jesus were like up in the 700 to a thousand. Now, but it's really interesting though, like if you hear birds chirp, or if you hear a cat purr, or mama makes cookies, it's interesting. Our bodies actually elevate to like 500 for a moment. Like we feel this love come in. Then we kind of drop down to like where we're usually maybe like 200, 300. But if you ever want to learn a book on like how to forgive other people, is you have to understand that people are doing the best they can at the state of consciousness that they're at. So it's so cool. If you go to the map, if you Google the map of consciousness, you'll see like 100, and they'll say, This is how you see God in the 100 level. This is your predominant emotions, this is how you receive information from above. This is how you, I mean, it's really cool how it'll just go right across, and you're like, whoa, this totally describes me, you know? And so I can muscle test anybody, I can walk into any room and be like, he's at 250, he's at 114, he's at whatever. What does that do for you? Is like when they're talking to you and hurting you, and you're like, whoa, why is this person so toxic? It's because he's doing the best he can at the frequency he typically resides in. So the more energy you work, guess what it does? You'll be at 200. By the end of the session, you're at 400. You're like your body's go, and that's why you feel lighter, right? And then it goes back down again. Then uh do more healing sessions, then you go higher again, you go down. But then what happens is your body starts getting used to the higher levels. Now your predominant state's around 300 now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and so you don't always drop back down.
SPEAKER_02What's killing us to go lower is our reactivity facts. Your reactivity is what lowers your frequency down, your triggers. You're getting angry quickly, you're getting sad too easily. It's like it kind of lowers your frequency down, right? But um, when we go to cathedrals and we see beautiful art like Michelangelo's art, you know, boom, 500 again. And that was meant, that's why it's so important to maintain holy, holy buildings because they're meant to elevate our map of consciousness. We don't stay there. When we leave, it just slowly starts going down again. But um, or if you listen to very spiritual music, it goes up again to 500 again. So, but there, but again, the more you do healing, the more you remove baggage, your your body gets used to higher levels, and then you can stay in certain states, you know. And so uh it's a great book to check out. It's called Map of Consciousness Explained. And um, and it's kind of crazy too. Like there'll be um words like you know, Jesus, for example, like the word Jesus. Even if someone talks bad about Jesus, it's kind of like a cool catch 22 for those haters, um, it actually changes the dynamic of the room just by saying the word Jesus. So even if he's saying bad things like Jesus, that guy, whatever, blah, blah, blah, just his name alone actually trumps the negativity of that what that person just said. So it's kind of cool that there's certain words, like like uh Mother Teresa or Hitler can change the dynamic of the room and it can it kind of moves everyone to a lower frequency. So it also be very careful with the words you say because they can change the frequency of the room and what you say to yourself also too can affect that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, I think we all know that one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because we all have that inner voice that's our harshest critic sometimes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I think and I think with the emotion code work, when you create these emotions, I always tell people, I'm like, if you got if you got uh how to say this, if you got beat up at school, I always tell people, I'm like, that's not the worst beating up that you do. It's when you beat yourself up behind closed doors. And that's what these energies do. You know, like there's something you you'll you'll make a belief like there's something wrong with me. That's you giving a slug to your cheek, and that's worse than the bully hitting you. You see what I'm saying? And that also will affect you long term because then you'll keep thinking people are gonna slug you. Number one, and number two, it can create physical problems. All of a sudden, your your right knee always hurts all the time. You have no idea what it is, it's probably from some energy that you you got when you were bull bullied, you know, and and and it's almost like they didn't they didn't even hit your knee. Like if they kicked your knee, it makes sense. Yeah, but what if I told you that there's trapped emotions from that bullying that are now lodged in your knee and make your knee worse, then um and you clear it, all of a sudden your knee feels better. So your body's whenever I work with someone brand new, I'm always looking for pain. Like that's like the first time I meet someone, I'm like, I know you have pain somewhere. Where is it? Like, oh, it's my left shoulder. It's like, okay, that means you needed healing yesterday. So let's attack the shoulder first and let's see what's going on. Oh wow, I feel relief, boom, their belief goes up, and they're like, oh, this is real. Oh yeah, watch, and like in like five days from now, you'll still won't have that pain because you're gonna think it's gonna come back. Well, let's see what happens. And also, like, my left shoulder has never felt that good. So um, that's my first kind of place to go to. It's usually pain. It's it's it's it's it's gonna stay there until you heal from some certain trauma that's been bothering you.
SPEAKER_01It just made me think of like when you listen to a testimony of somebody about Jesus Christ, your testimony also increases, yeah. Yeah, so it's like the same concept, of course, because it's all connected to God, but right, I like everything that you're saying, like it's really resonating with me that connection. And I love that you're able to deliver in a way that helps people know that like it doesn't have to be one or the other. We can connect the two, and it's almost like synergistic energy that's just amplified. Like it's not just this or just this. Together, it's almost like a superpower, like a super healer, like a super whatever. Like it's just amplified when you multiply the energy healing with God.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And and I also don't want to also negate people that maybe are listening. Let's say you're like an agnostic, but you don't even believe any of the stuff that I'm saying Christian-wise. I'm like, I always tell people like, God loves you just like he loves me. Like, there's no like he loves me more because I'm Christian. Like, I think that's false. Number one. But number two, it's like just become the most loving person you can be and learn how to love yourself and love others, which was his greatest commandment, you know. And and you might even be better off than the person who's actually going to church. Like, I'm just gonna be very honest. Like, so like if I if I see an agnostic person and I'm like, dude, you might be you might be closer to God than me, man. Like, I'm willing to admit that just because I wear like a Christian badge does not make me better than anybody. But like if you're Indian or you're Hindu or you're whatever, and your religion is making you a good person where you love yourself and love others, then freaking hold on to that religion as hard as you can because it's actually helping you out. Now, if it's not, and it's making you judgmental and overly dogmatic, run for the hills. But if it's making you loving, so that's what I'm saying. Like, energy healing is to is supposed to help you learn to love yourself and love others. And when you when you do that, you can serve people more. And if I and if we were to get to like, I don't believe in anything this dude says, just remember this service equals happiness. But you can't, it's hard to serve people when you don't love yourself and you don't know how to love others. So that's a good, that's the good glue. But I'm just telling you, like, even just a basic person who's like, I don't believe 99% of this person who's talking right now, I'll I'll still give you number one, God still loves you just the same way as much as not even a little bit more, uh, literally as much as he loves me, number one, and number two, just become a loving person, and number three, find ways to serve. That's it. Just you'll be the happiest person, you'll figure it out, you know. Like God will come to you in mysterious ways, you know. I really believe that.
SPEAKER_01I I do too. I I believe that so much that that's one of the things with my children. Like, you know, you raise your children and you hope that they follow in your path as far as like your beliefs and God and and whatever it is, whatever your belief system is. You hope that your children have something similar because for you it's so deep and personal, you want your children to feel that too.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But I think it's really beautiful when you can teach your children those three things and then let them choose for themselves because that's empowering for them. That's how they gain their own testimony of what is good and right and true for them. And they'll get to the place I think that we all want our children to be. And when I think about God, I think about I don't love any of my kids more than the other.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, totally. Great point.
SPEAKER_01So why would he love me different than he loves you?
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01Or the guy who doesn't who's homeless that lives on the street that doesn't believe in God. Like we're all the same.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like I think us as humans on this earth have created these like hierarchy, division, tears, whatever you want to call it.
SPEAKER_03Yep.
SPEAKER_01But in the end, God looks us at us all the same. I can make zero dollars and you can be a millionaire, and God like my connection to God might be greater than your connection to God.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And my love for you is greater than your love for me. And God's gonna look at me like, yes, keep going. And he's gonna look at you like, yes, keep going. Because we can only be where we are because of our perspective on life. And what we've chosen to accept as truth for ourselves or not, and what we've chosen to accept as like miracles from God or something that man made happen, you know, like and and also to give comfort for those people that maybe are in some religious faith, and then your your um that one sibling who, you know, leaves the flock, you know, there's actually a lot of comfort in that because you see, if you believe in the the doctrine of of moral probation, which I do because of my past life experience as a hypnotherapist, right?
SPEAKER_02How do you know that your child wasn't a staunch Christian in another life? So then so then what does that mean? Then maybe he chose a life where he's like, you know what, be the black sheep, and I'm gonna kind of go the dark way, but I'm gonna learn how to come back. And my comeback is what I need to learn this life, you know? And so then it should give you hope. It's not like, oh, this is your one life where you have to be exactly what I am. It's like it's a let go of that because you know what? God loves that person more than you'll ever love them completely, and that person has their own mission they have to fulfill. That's it right there. So then you your job is just to like instruct them with love, just with with your safe and you're loved. And even if you go this way or this way or this way, I love you no matter what. And trust me, that dude made his own milestones that that maybe you saw you actually saw his milestones, but you forgot his milestones when you came here as a conscious person. You have that veil over you that you don't remember the roadmap you guys both made. He was supposed to leave, he was supposed to go his own way, and then he becomes a different person. That was the growth that he needed in this life because he already experienced being a pope in the other life. He's already, you know, he's like he already elevated himself in some way. He's just like, I want to know what it feels like to be black sheep this time. And maybe I want to know what it feels like to receive um love and harmony from others that still care about me when I leave.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Or sometimes it's like, I want to know what it feels like to try this thing out. Even though my mom always told me this is where happiness and joy is, I want to see if I can find it over here. Totally, yeah. I mean, I I had to touch the pan to see that it was hot a lot when I was younger.
SPEAKER_03We all did.
SPEAKER_01Like, like I really resisted a lot of things that I was raised with because I was like, I'm gonna just figure this out myself.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01And I did. And the beautiful thing is that like as I've gotten older, I've learned more and more about my relationship with God and the beauty of the relationship that I have with him and how personal it is for me and how much he loves me. I mean, all of us, but like to find that out for yourself, it changes your perspective on so many things. Yeah, it has made me feel so much more open to welcoming people in and loving people, and it's it's opened me up to a different perspective on my relationship with God and a deeper, more meaningful and beautiful relationship with Him that I used to always feel like was so hard, and now it just like flows so easily just because of some changes that I've made and some perspective shifts that I've had. Like I just feel so much more connected to God now than I ever have in my life.
SPEAKER_02That's great. I I you remind me of a story of a guy who was a doctor, surgeon, some kind of guy, very professional guy in the medical field. And I remember um I was working on his heart wall. This is what it's all about, right here. But what I'm about to share is like this is what it's all about. Is like I'm trying to let people know that like they are a divine being, and that there is a uh divine being that created them, and there's a reason why you're here and you chose it, you know, and that takes layers of time, it's not like right away because you can't, it's almost something that can't be taught, it needs to be experienced, you know. And what you're talking about, I love what you're saying, is that like you've experienced God. Like you've actually been there's a term for it, it's called gnosis. It's like, and sometimes when you get, you know, that's a whole nother seminar, but but uh but I want what I want to say is that sometimes administration could be, it's all about administration and and administers and and rank and whatever, that sometimes they forget the beautiful dues of heaven of gnosis, you know, and gnosis is like they keep coming back to receiving information that no man or woman is there, you know, and that's where you really build um your relationship with your creator. It's not here. Serving the administration is great, but there's something about you by yourself in your closet, and God just going like, I see you. And then he just keeps doing that from time to time, and you're just like, no one, absolutely no one can take that away from you. And it's like people lose themselves in the sauce of the procedures of religion or whatever, that they forget that that's like that's not I wanted an actual connection with you. And so um, this guy that I worked with, I started removing his heart wall, and he didn't really believe in God, kind of an agnostic kind of guy. I started working on him, and he says, Hey, I think he wrote an email, and I was just I don't know if I was bawling, I was just so emotional, but he said something like, I felt love for the first time, and it was love from above, it wasn't man-made, it was something from above was like, I'm here, you know? And he said he was doing while he was driving when he was hearing music, and all of a sudden, just like it just hit him. And I tell him I'm like, We're the ones that set up the stakes for love. It's the heart wall. That's one of the things. So not only will you feel people's love more, but imagine if you felt God's love more. You know, what if it's some of the walls that kind of you know it's hard to go through, but we set it up ourselves for protection, you know? And so all of a sudden he's driving and he feels this love, and he said that it was so powerful that he turned off his music because he was afraid it was gonna go away. And so he was just kind of like, how long is this gonna stay here? So forever, yeah. But I I told him, I said, um, that's the love that your creator has for you. And like he wanted to give it an accentuated form so you don't forget this moment that you've always been loved ever since you were born and before you were born. And you know, he needed to hear that. So again, the heart wall is um it's a it's a movement, and and uh so the the the creator is trying to find people that are one heart, one mind, and the only way it's gonna be done is we gotta remove the bomb shelters and say we are not. And war anymore, maybe with your ex-husband, you know, maybe you had to like almost 30 years ago. But you had to have your bomb shelter, it was necessary because otherwise your heart would break, you know. But she he's saying, 'Daughter, there's no more need for those walls anymore.' You know, it's like, why don't you love love freely now? You know, it's just hard, you know, it's just not easy.
SPEAKER_01It is, but at the same time, like when you don't bring all of that into the next one, yeah, you're able to experience that for what it is.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01Because that's the thing that somewhere like my mom, my mom's an amazing woman, and she told me when I left him, she said, You have to forgive him. And I said, No, I don't. She didn't, yeah, but you're not doing it for him, you're doing it for you. So you have to forgive him. And then I took it a step further because I dated a couple more people, and I was like, Why am I doing this? And I needed to fall in love with me. So I stopped dating and I took time to fall in love with myself. And that was when I met my husband. I said, Look, dude, uh, you're cool and everything. We can hang out, but I'm not dating because I'm I'm just I'm on a me journey right now. So I like you, and you're you're a nice guy, but yeah. And so we went on a date, and on our first date, I was like, Oh dang, I'm supposed to marry him. Like, I knew like, no doubt in my mind, yeah, 100% surety, this is the man I'm supposed to be with the rest of my life.
SPEAKER_02Can I tell you something about that real quick? If it's okay with you, yeah. Um, like permission to share. So so he for sure is your soulmate. Okay. But but what's kind of cool is you can um it'd be really interesting to one day in the future do a regression and find out that he's been also with you multiple times before, right?
SPEAKER_01When you were saying that, I was like, feels right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and what's really interesting, there's there's a term for it uh in the in the Brian, Brian Wise work and Dolores Cannon work who are hypnotherapists, they've been doing it for 20 years plus years. So they've done thousands of accounts. At this point, it's not like it's almost a science to it at this point. Um, is that um, yeah, the binding force between two people is love, you know, and there's you know, there's lots of um churches that believe, like, you know, if you do this thing, that this is how you'll be together forever, the real binding source is love. If you love someone to their core, this is what in the next life, boom, you meet up again, meet up again. It's like again, figure figure skaters. Yeah, and so it's interesting is um in uh in a blessing that I have um from church, it said something like, You knew your wife before you were born. I was like, huh? I was like, wait a minute, like not people will talk about a lot of people talk about this, right? But there's a whole paragraph on it now. So I was like, dude, this is a serious thing, you know? And so um, I had this dream where um, and so I want to let your listeners know why am I sharing this story? Is that that you are with your soulmate now, dating or married, or you have people that are soulmate that they're adding to your soul. So you have multiple soulmates, is kind of what it was. So, and you've mapped them out. Like before you came here, you're like, that soulmate, that soulmate, that soulmate, but this is the eternal soulmate, that's the one, you know, and then um, and so all those other people kind of carved you to finally find your actual soulmate, right? Absolutely, and so um, so you can say you can say to your soulmate, I've taken a lot of time to heal myself to hang out with you. And he's like, I've took taken some time to work myself, and then boom, you become this joy thing. What's really interesting is um there's a thing called the soulmate trigger. This is actually you might have even with your soulmate said, I'm gonna do something that will trigger your soul, that I'm the one. It might be a moment in time, it might be something he says to you, it might be like, I've heard your voice before. It's like something that like you you kind of like, he's the one. I don't know how I know, right? So I this is an exaggerated one, but I remember I used to have this dream where uh I put my wife on blast sometimes, but um, she's like, Why are you talking about us again? But um, I I was driving a car in my dream, and I was going from freeway to freeway, jumping on separated pieces of freeway on the sky. Normal dream, you know, yeah, and um just like going like just like really revening. But then there's at one point I get to this this this land, and then there's this road that uh goes into the water, into the abyss, and then um I'll look at the road and then look at the water, and then I would just stare into the abyss, you know, and then boom, the dream would stop, right? And I had that dream probably seven to eight times, you know, just like this. It always ends with me looking to the abyss one night, and then it just ends. I date my wife for two weeks, and then I um I'm talking to her and she says, Let me send you a photo where I'm at. And she takes a photo of her, and then there's there's our her two children behind her, like like either going down towards the lake, and there's a road that goes right into the water, and I kind of freak out, and she thought I got mad, but I was kind of just like, Hey, why'd you why'd you send me that? You know, and she's like, Oh, I'm at Bear Lake. I'm like, why is that road going into the water? She's like, Oh, you've never been to the lake before. It's like that's where they they they dragged the boats, you know, and I never had that dream ever again. So that was that was her soulmate trigger to to confirm with me that you know, and then there's always that hesitancy, like, like, oh, is he really the one? Like, you know, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, God, and she was just this prayer, she's like, God, show me some numbers, like, show me that a number that let me know that he's really the one. Within seven minutes later, I never do this. I go online, it's like, I feel like posting some numbers. 1111 sent and shows up on my wall, and it just seven minutes later showed 11-11 to her. She's like, All right, well, that was just too obvious there. He never he never makes posts like that. So there's certain things that like you know, you're just kind of letting them know that I'm the one. And um, but yeah, you can some people are curious and they're like, Did I know him before? So, what I'll do is I'll take them to a past life, you're with someone, and they'll there's this moment where I say, look into your partner's eyes. And I say, Okay, look right through them. It's like, do you know someone in your current life that reminds you of this person? And usually they'll mention their soulmate. I'm like, Yeah, it's my husband right now. I knew it. But I don't tell them I knew it, I'm just like in my mind, like, I knew it. And I'm like, okay, cool. So you guys have had some experience before. And if I were to take them even further back, maybe they've been multiple times, 20, 30, 40 times. So that's why you have this immediate like connection of like, we're just continuing conversation. There's a reason for that. You guys have conversed before multiple times. But how beautiful is that? What does that do for you to know that you've come back together over and over and over again? It's this feeling of more love and more peace for your partner. It's like, I'm gonna just talk to him differently. It's like if we keep coming back together, it's like there's obviously something special.
SPEAKER_01It's even like that here on this earth, right? Because no marriage is like you're locked in and like golden forever with kids and life and all kinds of stuff. Sometimes you start to feel yourselves drift apart, and you have to do that work to kind of re-engage that re-engage, yeah, re-engage that, reignite that, re-engage, whatever it is, because it's like we're so busy, we have so much work, we have kids we're raising, like there's just so much going on. My husband coached all my kids through rugby for many, many years. That was, you know, like there was just a lot there. Our daughter being born really premature and me being at the hospital all the time, and him being you know, working or taking care of our son. It was just a lot there's a lot of things that have come up throughout the 26 years that like we've had to like really work to bring us back together. Yeah, but every time we do, it's like a closer connection. Every single time I feel a deeper, closer connection to him.
SPEAKER_03That's beautiful.
SPEAKER_01And this most recent time we experienced something together that was that felt really heavy. And he was so there for me, and I was so there for him, and we were able to like work through this, still working through this together, and just feel like so much deeper love for each other because we had this thing in common that we were working through. And the way he talks to me and the way that he can wrap his arms around me and everything washes away tells me that he's my person. Like I've never felt what I feel with him. And I don't need to feel it with anybody else because he's my person and I know that to my core. And there were times where I wasn't sure, but it's just so beautiful to like be able to come back together and just go, oh yeah, oh yeah, it's still there. We're like, we're still good for each other. We're because we both put it in, you know, we both put in the work.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that's what's important, I think, is like you both have to try. It can't just be somebody trying and the other person, maybe with really big, thick, heavy heart walls up, and then like you can't get through to each other, you know. Not to say that because I think that you can still make some sort of connections with heart walls.
SPEAKER_02Oh, absolutely. No, it doesn't mean you can't make any connections, it just like I said, it just enhances even more. Like if you're already at 10.0 in your relationship, why not go 20.0? You know what I'm saying? For real. And so, and so um, especially men, like men in general, it's like they they love, um, and I was gonna tell you to compliment you and your your husband, is that um your tenaciousness to come back together is definitely a past life thing for sure. Like you guys have come together thousands of times before, like regrouping, regrouping, regrouping, that now it's like you guys just it just automatically comes out, you know. And so I think it's beautiful to see that it's a very mature relationship where um you know you guys have really are one soul, you know, and and um and yeah, no one can no one can really break that. Yeah, so that's it's it's really I mean 26 years is a really long time. I don't have those those years under my belt yet, you know, we're like seven years in, you know. So, but it's interesting. I had um I had two divorces before, and um, but I know I'm like I attracted my luggage, you know. And uh it's like so I I I had this luggage and we saw her big purse, and I was like, all right, I guess we're supposed to get married. And then um, but then you know sometimes you have to taste the bitter to appreciate the sweet. So yeah, and what you what you do is um, you know, something beautiful sometimes comes out of darkness. You know, my my wife will never regret, or the two kids that came from whatever. And um in in my in my in my church blessing, it said something like, uh, uh, you will be raising children happily with your wife, you know. It's like, and I've had children be alienated from me, you know, like because you know, my my ex is, you know, um just you know that type of ex, you know. And um, and so but that blessing came true. It's like it's like, how is it possible that her children are the same ages as my children? Like that's crazy. So God's like, I'm gonna work it out, bud. Like, you plan this. There's gonna be some alienation, but you're still gonna be blessed with her kids that are kind of like same ages, like you know, and you'll still be that happy dad still, you know. So God, like if you think in the negative of things that happen in life, God's gonna move his queen too. You know what I'm saying? So I always it's always good to keep a level head. It's like you know, when something amazing happens, the devil's gonna move, you know. But it but but if you know that it you don't get rocked by it, you're just like this is life, kind of just move with the wave, you know. Well, what helps is to be less reactive. So that's remove the trauma, remove the trauma, remove the trauma. You don't get so much, you don't get so seasick and on the boat. A lot of people they don't remove the trauma, and the boat ride is a lot heavier on them, you know. They feel everything and they expect life to be good, good, good, good their whole entire life. And I'm like, dude, that's just not why you came here. Like you actually chose to come here to to like fight through things, you know.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's where the growth happens. That's where the growth happens, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it's like your your spirit wanted growth, man. Like, here it is, man. It's like so here's another thing I want to add to that.
SPEAKER_01Sorry to interrupt you, okay. Is when you are on that right path and you are headed towards something that God wants you headed towards and you're you're doing the work that He wants you to do, that's when Satan's gonna work the hardest.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01Because he goes, Oh, I see what you're doing. No, I'm gonna do everything I can to knock you off that path. But if you've done the work to fortify yourself and know, no, this is the path I'm taking, right? Then those obstacles that show up are very easy for you to combat. And sometimes they're not, and sometimes they are big and heavy, and you have to like learn something about yourself or change something about yourself, that's okay too. But I'm not stopping because I know what my purpose and my my plan is for myself, and I know where I'm supposed to go, and I have the Lord on my side helping me.
SPEAKER_02That's true. Yeah, and like I think when when you're very either lukewarm or you're cold on your mission, it's like I don't need to do much with this person, you know what I'm saying? It's the person who's aggressively fighting for the kingdom. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we gotta take this guy down here, and it's like we see him, you know. Uh, you want to wake up in the morning and scare his kingdom, you know, like that's the type of person you want to be. I I do want to share one last thing uh in regards to what our practice also provides. I want to give a shout out to my wife. I I um I did a I attracted my wife in 48 days or less when I when I um did my work on myself. And for people who are listening, they're like, I haven't found love of my life yet. There's so much hope. Number one, I said I did a session on myself because I'm like, dude, I'm hitting a lot of people, but I'm starting to get unhealed again. You know, like there's something I need more work on, you know. So I did do I feel safe with a loving relationship. This is key. If I were to muscle test 90% of a room and ask them, everyone say, I feel safe in a loving relationship, put out your arm, I would see a bunch of weak arms everywhere. Because love is love trauma comes from inherited stuff. The great-great-great-grandma who divorced comes from how you saw your parents, how you had your first boyfriends, you know. So you're technically walking around with your energetic arms closed, and you're walking around and you're wondering why guys are not hitting you or hitting up, hitting you up, is because they feel like you're closed. You see, so I did that to myself. I'm like, hmm, two divorces under my belt. Do I feel safe for a loving relationship? Dang it. You know, so so then I was like, that's the first thing I gotta work on. Second thing, do I have a heart wall? Oh no. I'm a you know, I'm a victim of the heart wall again. Like, so get me out of this thing, right? And the third one was very powerful, and hopefully your listeners will listen to this. Is this a this is a powerful session? Uh, I easily attract someone who's attracted to my higher self. So the woman that I attract will see who I really am above, and kind of like, I'm the guy in progress. And I did those three sessions, and then um my first official date on a dating app was my wife. And she and it was like as soon as she walked into the restaurant, I shouldn't have done Peruvian food because she only likes American food, but somehow I like was like selfish, you know, and I did Peruvian food, but she passed the test, she loved it. But it was the first time I saw someone walking slow motion. I'm like, I thought this was only in movies, bro, you know, but she was walking in slow motion, and I was like, I'm like, and then as soon as she started talking, she's like, I've heard your voice before. Your voice sounds so familiar, you know? And it was because, you know, we didn't at that time we didn't believe so much in that until later on, but but I remember that comment very well. She's like, I've heard your voice before, it just sounds so familiar to me, you know? And uh I didn't know what that meant at the time. But the point is, is um, so there is hope with someone that I I did this before with a 60-year-old lady come to my I'll keep her private. 60-year-old lady here in St. George, she's got six kids, totally jaded, only dated narcissistic men, whatever. I did a do you feel safe with love. I worked a little bit on her heart wall. I don't know if I did the do you feel safe with love or I said uh how to attract a higher self person. I think I did those two only. Got a message from somebody on Facebook, very successful CEO guy. Four months later, they were married.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_02And she was like, Whoa, true love is real. And this guy is like like top-notch guy, very big heart, like very successful. She's like, I thought I would never get married ever again. So it's quicker than you think, but we just have to remove a couple of things that are just not serving you, and uh, you can move on. So I just wanted to share that story for somebody who's out there. If you're the jaded one, if you're the one that's like, there's no hope for me, I've only meet the wrong guys, could be a past life thing too. You know, maybe you were the wrong person in another life, and now you're receiving the karma of meeting the wrong guy, or it could just be that you don't feel safe with love and all these different things. But there is a lot of hope for those people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, thank you. I think that's a big one for a lot of people, yeah. Especially nowadays, I think we kind of talked, we hinted at this a little bit, but I I feel like society right now is like in a battle. Like it's it's like we we have people that are really like turning to God, and we have people that are really turning away from God. Totally. And it's like this very like distinct line down the middle.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's like people are on one side or the other, a lot of polarity, and I feel like there's so much that we have actually in common that we can come together on and try try to understand each other's side. And once we open our heart and try to understand the other side, that's where we can start to make progress with each other.
SPEAKER_03Totally.
SPEAKER_01That's where we can start to love each other more and see each other for the things that are like I just look at somebody and I go, like, oh, why are they like this? Like, what happened to this person that they feel like treating somebody like that is the best option right now. You know, like when people are just mean, just to be mean, sometimes it's because whatever is going on in their own space, you know, their own people. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and and again, like I said, it's like when you when you understand the multiple times we've graduated from life, there's reasons why they are the way they are. So it kind of makes you look at people with forgiveness, like kind of just like, hey, they're on some sort of weird mission, and I just have to respect that. I mean, I'll even speak to um uh people who are who are trans, you know. I'm not sure if you have any trans listeners or or or um, you know, people who are are um, you know, maybe they turn gay or whatever, but it's a very sensitive subject, you know, to talk about this, you know. But it's interesting, there is some regression hypnotherapy that they realize that maybe um for some reason in another life they died a little too early uh of a certain sex, you know, and then they go to another life, and then they didn't really live out that life of that that uh either feminine or masculine. So now they're more, even though they're in a uh woman uh body, they're way masculine because they they didn't get to live out that certain life, and they chose it. And there's other benefits to that person living that type of life. Maybe they learn what is the lack of tolerance, and then they learn to forgive people easily. So there's there's um benefits to them being in that life. So again, but we're so quick to judge. Like, oh, you know, it's like we're overly dogmatic and we're like they have to be doing sin or whatever, and that's the wrong way to move through it. It's like if there's an overarching plan that we are not looking at because we're too skewed with the dogma. So if we just remove the lens and we look at it from a God level and we look that He they planned something out, they're probably straight in some other life, or whatever. You go, like, whoa, they're just on their own mission. All I need to do is be loving to them. That's it. That's it. That's it. Oh, I love that you just said that. So it's really not that hard. So it's like it's like it again, if you're a Christian and you're you're being like hatred towards them, it's because you don't believe in moral probation. But but Jesus taught it. Jesus moments in here, he taught it there, uh, here and there. And he was trying to say, like, we need to love everyone. He didn't say love one another, love yourself, but only if you're straight. He never said that.
SPEAKER_01Well, it goes back to the judgment thing. We're not supposed to judge anybody. We are told, we are commanded not to judge other people. I think there's a certain amount of like judge correctly, yeah, judgment where you like don't put yourself in positions unsafe just because you're trying not to judge.
SPEAKER_03Great point.
SPEAKER_01But I think for the most part, that's not what people are struggling with. People are struggling with letting somebody live their life, even if it looks different, yeah, even if they don't believe in it, even if it's opposite of their belief system or their morals or their values or whatever.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01But what they're actually doing when when they have those thoughts and feelings about that person is they're taking away from themselves.
SPEAKER_03Totally. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because if you open your heart and just love that person where they are, I don't have to agree with 100% of what you do to love you.
SPEAKER_03Sure, sure.
SPEAKER_01But I can open my heart and love you where you are and and show you love so that you feel love. Because I think sometimes people that are really struggling, like because I think that that's also a struggle for them, too. Even though they've chosen that, I think it can still be a struggle. Sure, of course. Because it it it's in a world of polarity, yeah, it's really hard. Especially where there's like not a lot of people on your team, yeah, so to speak, right? But I think that if we can show people love, anybody, I'm not just talking about somebody who's trans or bisexual or a different preference than we are. If we just show everybody the same level of love and understanding, and just try to see where they are, like try to see it from their perspective, try to see like why, you know, why maybe maybe I can try to understand why they made this choice or why they are the way that they are, or why like sometimes it's a past like this life experience that kind of pushed them into stuff like that. Like we just don't know. Yeah, yeah. But that's the thing is like we can make a judgment because of the choice, but we need to take it back and go, well, but how did that choice come about?
SPEAKER_02And and that's what I'm saying. When you go back into regression, you start looking at people with respecting people's souls plan, yeah, and that they made a choice. It's like they came if they're here in front of you, you can physically see them. That means they chose a soul plan. Why don't you love them unconditionally? Because they came here to grow. Yeah, this is it's mind boggling to me. It's like, you why do you why would you want to hate on someone who chose to grow, get become more of a person? And just because it's against what everything you believe in, it's like they still came here. Like you know, so it that so the more you go back, the more you go back and you keep going to visit other lives, you realize like, dude, everyone's on their own soul plan. My job is just to love unconditional. And if it takes me 80 lives to figure out just to love myself and love other people, I gotta figure it out. You know? And and and so I think um again, it's it's I whenever I see anyone that's a trans or or or or whatever they believe, whatever their sexuality is, it's like my first thing is like, dude, you you came here to grow, and I love you for that. You know, and and and yeah, we may not agree on certain things, but it's just like, but you're like trying to get closer to your creator in one way or another. And so they deserve to feel peace of mind. They deserve to um, you know, and a lot of them, you know, some of them have trauma, some of them don't, but it's like if they want to feel more peace, there's ways to do it. But it's just like again, um, what's killing our society right now is massive amounts of of duality, and you know, it's like this way or this way, or this way or this way, or disagreement equals hate, which is further from the truth than anything, because disagreement just means we believe differently, but it doesn't mean I hate you because you believe differently than I do, right?
SPEAKER_01Like that's the one thing I think that that has changed so much in our lifetime, too. It's like I remember when I was younger, you didn't know who was a Democrat, you didn't know who was a Republican, you didn't know who was whatever. None of that mattered, yeah. And or if you did know, okay, my uncle's a uh Democrat and my parents are a Republican, it wasn't an issue. We still sat down and broke bread together, we still got together as a family, we still loved each other, right? But there's been this divide where if you don't believe the same way I do, you're a bad person. Totally. And I think that that's where we've gotten way off track.
SPEAKER_02And so But again, like look if you look at it through a certain level, I can see where we're coming from, where the divide comes from. Think about it. What if you were you you look into a you regress to a life where you were a slave under the Democrat system, whatever there was, you know, Lincoln was there, or whatever, and you hated being a slave, whatever, right? You come over to this life, you're just like, I gotta vote for this party because this is anti-slave part, whatever, you know, whatever. Yeah. Um, so there's that history. You have your own personal history where you lived under a different government and you brought it here to have biasness towards that, right? Then you have inherited stuff from your great-great-great-great-grandfather, who was also, who knows, a slave owner or a slave. That's also inside you, too. So we have these energies inside of us that make us reactive in the parties. And right now, what you're seeing is it's a society of unhealed people from their past life or from their generational family, and that's why we're so reactive. So if you've gone asked why is this, it's like I'm built up. It's all built up, but we're like holding on to it, and there's some enlightened people that said that the buck stops with me. Yeah, why am I leaning so hard to this? Why am I leaning to why am I so reactive towards this party? Whatever, whatever heal yourself, dude. It's your it's yourself. There's there's either some you gotta go back to life, or you have to remove some inherited stuff, and then move on.
SPEAKER_03Like, actually, you know what?
SPEAKER_02I'm not so intense anymore. And if we remove the intensity, unity shows up. Yeah, but but it's it it's an unhealed society. It's and and we're and now we're seeing the worst of it. Now we got internet, um we got internet, and we have parties fighting over each other, like it's it's well you can you can argue with somebody with like anonymously almost.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you can say or do whatever you would never say or do in real life, yeah. Because you're behind this little keyboard on this little screen, and you can not put your picture and you can not put your name, and it can be totally anonymous, yeah. And you can say or do things that maybe like somewhere inside of you feel like it's necessary. Yeah, but it's really like hurtful and and and it's something that in real life you wouldn't do because it would make you feel really uncomfortable to do it in real life, but for whatever reason, some people feel safe doing it online.
SPEAKER_02And and it's now we're not getting bullied in our playgrounds, we're getting bullied online. Yeah, you know, that's a real thing. So I I just I just got a I received a bad message a few days ago from someone judging me about energy healing and being a Christian, and I'm like, and all I said was this, man, like, and I said, Thank you for your awareness and you know, wishing you the best. I've seen some things that like I can't really disclose to you right now, and I kind of just believe what I believe, you know, and I just let him go. And but it's so interesting. I'm like, this dude doesn't even know me, you know. But it's interesting. So I'm just saying, we live in a society where it's like you're gonna get hit. But the goal is like the reason why Jesus is core, in my opinion, again, Jesus is core and and healing yourself is core, is because you're supposed to have peace amidst the chaos. It doesn't take away the chaos. That that's people think like, if I'm a Christian, no, no, no chaos is gonna happen to me. You know, that's not true. What happens is now you find a peace amidst the chaos, um, and you can find um, you know, if you're going through a very hard time, for example, I did I did when I did energy um or because of the beliefs that I had in my faith, right? I remember when I was my what my my mother was passing away pancreatic cancer, and they all believed differently, you know, and everyone was kind of crying and suffering, whatever. And I just got this big, huge download of like, I need to talk to them and give them peace, you know. And I said, guys, my mom can't enjoy a sunset with pancreatic cancer. And I'm like, she wouldn't enjoy my wedding with all the pain that she has, you know. They just looked at me with just their eyes just glazing, like, is this guy talking right after she passed away? Like, is this guy serious? You know, but it came to me to comfort the women to be like, now she can be there when I get married. She'll be there in spirit and have peace in her body. So the joy of the jail, enjoy the occasion without having, I mean, I anybody who's had a serious disease, try to enjoy a sunset. It's it's impossible. So it's like it's like, doesn't she deserve to see me happily married and having no pain in her body? And they just looked at me just like they really didn't even know what to say because they never even thought about that, but it came to me very strong. Like, this is what you've been fighting for for all the beliefs, all the times you went into the Bible, everything. It comes to this moment where there are three weeping women near your mother, and you need to speak and speak peace into their soul. I spoke it, and they all looked at me, they're just like, You're right, you're right. I'm just like, everyone, just let's let her go, you know? And it was beautiful. So um you can't do that unless you're seeking truth, you know. I'm saying so. That's why when you seek healing, you seek truth, you have more capability of helping others to help seek truth and healing too. You know, so that's that's and then it goes back to service again, you know, to the agnostic person who's hearing me. Service equals happiness. Just keep it that simple.
SPEAKER_01Because when you serve someone, you love someone. Totally. Like when you're serving someone, it's hard for you to have any sort of like anger or angst in your heart if you're truly showing up to serve them, just to serve them. Yeah, not with any expectation of something in return. If you just show up to serve one somebody, you start to love that person a little bit more.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Oh, I forgot to mention, can I mention one last thing?
SPEAKER_01Well, I'm gonna actually have you tell everybody. Well, yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02Okay, go ahead. Just real quick. Um, the last thing. So my wife, um, I removed her her heart wall, and she was able to get off anxiety medication and for the first time, and she cut cold turkey. That was a big deal for her. I removed a pain from her chest, no chiropractor or doctor could figure out. And um, I was doing long distance. This was the first time she's like, How did you remove that pain? And we were just over the phone. I'm like, Oh, I'll have to tell you later, whatever. And the way that I proved that I loved her, I remember when I when I because I knew she was my soulmate the first time I met her, is and the way that she looked at me, I remember this like yesterday, it really impacted me. It was like, as soon as I heard that she had kids, and she says, I can't show you my kids yet, because um, because I don't want to hurt them again if for some reason this doesn't work, you know? And I totally respected that. I said, Hey, do you mind if I work on your kids' heart walls? You know, and I remember that just her trust level went all higher. It's like, can you imagine someone working on the trauma of your children and you haven't even met them yet? It's it's again, this is what a soulmate would do, you know. So I that might have been a trigger for her where I was just like, Let me work on your kids. I bet they have some trauma. Dad's not there, a bunch of boyfriends pass by, you know, pass by. Yeah, I think she was like five years, five years uh in the dating game, whatever. And if you saw my wife, you'd be like, I don't know how she was five years in the dating game. God was definitely well, it's not all about looks. I don't hate. Oh no, of course, but I'm just saying, like, like I'm glad that God put roadblocks to all those men, you know, but um to to wait for me. But um she now works with frequencies, and so uh what she does. So I'm the energy person, regression, hypnotherapy, group healing, that's my department. Her department is um biofeedback frequencies. So what she does is she would scan your voice using a machine called the AO scan, and uh AO actually stands for Alpha and Omega, which is kind of cool. And so she scans your voice, and out of your voice comes 10,000 frequencies, and she can scan to see which emotions you overuse, which ones you suppress, and how it's affecting your body. And she gives you like a like a 10 to 12 page readout on a paper sent to you via email. And if you go on YouTube, you'll find these things called binaural beats, things that balance your brain, you know. But hers are custom made from your voice scan. So she sends you these binaural beats, and there's four different keys, and she'll tell you you might be more self-critical than self-love, you might be more angry instead of peace of mind, and it she it'll show on on your document kind of what you lean toward more, but you should be leaning the other way. So you put these headphones on and it balances your brain while it's telling you to lean to the other side. So you do that in the morning time, and you your day is very different. Your filters are very different, your reactions are very different. Then at nighttime is typically when we ruminate, we stress out about the next day. Boom, put on your headphones, calm as a Hindu cow, go to bed, have the deepest sleep you've ever had because you've regulated your emotions by yourself, and you wake up and do the same thing again. But so my wife, I do that every single morning when I wake up. I always put on my inner voice, I speak into it, and so she's in charge of that. She scans people's bodies. If you have a serious disease or ailment, it's almost like getting $30,000 blood work done with just your voice. So that's my wife's department. So we work in tandem together, husband and wife, and so that's that's our wellness center there.
SPEAKER_01So, what is that called? Where can people find you and your wife?
SPEAKER_02So we have a we have a website called have empathyandlove.com. So it stands for heal, have empathyandlove.com. And um that that's our social media platform. And so you can just go in there, make a free account, and just reach out to me or reach out to my wife. Um, or um, they can go to um if they look up Compass Healing Center in St. George, you'll see Google, like it'll just populate everywhere, but Compass Healing Center is where you'll find us, and you can reach out to us.
SPEAKER_01Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for sharing everything with us today. It's been I've learned a lot, and I and I know that what you've said will really help a lot of people that hear this because everybody, I think if you're if you're listening to a podcast like this, you're seeking for something. And what you said, I love how you just tied God into it because I think that a lot of people that believe in God need to know that there's more than just prayer and reading your scripture and whatever it is that you know that you do every day that can help you get closer to God. And I think that's really beautiful, and I think that that's gonna open a lot of hearts for love. So thank you for the work that you do, and thank you for being here today and sharing so much with us. Yeah. Like I really appreciate your time, and I really appreciate everything you've shared. So if something that Emmanuel has said has resonated with you, please leave us a comment. Reach out to him if you're seeking some healing and some help. And know that God loves you and we love you. God bless.