The Third Episode

In this episode, we cover a mix of pop culture, personal stories, and a more serious conversation. We start by talking about Hillary Clinton and what it means to show confidence in a tough situation, then move into TV, JFK Jr., and some New England memories.

We also get into lighter topics like tattoos, travel, and money (including a full private jet debate), plus a quick check-in on awards season and Michael B. Jordan.

The main part of the episode focuses on prison reform. One of us shares an experience visiting a correctional facility and meeting men working to change their lives, which leads to a broader conversation about accountability, growth, and perspective.

Transcript

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Opening/Hillary Clinton

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Random. Yeah, some random.

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Welcome back. Welcome back. Here we are. Here we are. Episode three. Episode three.

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Abiding by the same rules. I I will take that down. Yeah. Well, I would like to take a break at this moment. I'd like to have done for now. Go off the record. Go off the record.

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She in that moment, as if it needs to be in that moment, is the definition of a badass. Hillary? Hillary. 100% a badass. So definition. 100% a badass. Do not come for me because I will come for me. Don't come for me. And quite frankly, I mean she is not only a badass, but it doesn't matter what your politics are. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, or if in the middle, it doesn't matter. Let's just think of her as a from a human perspective. As just, you know, human being. And there is nobody that I appreciate more in that moment where she basically told everybody, like, go shove it up your behind. A hundred percent. Like, stop messing with me. I don't even know why I'm here right now. Right. Because I got nothing to do with this. That's right. Go talk to Miss My Husband. Go talk to these. Why are the men not the ones being talked to? That's basically her vibe. She's like, why am I sitting here? But also, why are you disrespecting me? Why are you asking me these stupid questions? Why are you putting things out during this testimony that don't need to? It's just the whole thing was ridiculous, and she was not having it. Not having it. And I think was it days that she did that for? Or she's still doing it? I mean, I don't really know. But I did that that clip alone is just, it makes my my entire year. Meantime, she's having this next to her husband who's talking about his, you know, time in the hot tub and how many people were in the hot tub. Like I just I was like Bill, can you just stop? The dip in the two with perjury though. He actually has to say it, doesn't he? Yeah, I think so. But still. I'm like, Bill, just stop. I can't. That's why I'm not a lawyer, right? If you like, Bill, you just can you just stop talking? We don't deserve her. She's slamming fists down. She's looking at people like I'm a lawyer, like I don't have time for this. And he's talking about, well, when I was in the hot tub, but when I met when when Trump when done, you know, don't Don and I we just met and we just we didn't know, and I don't I don't even know what he was saying. No. But I agree with you. But I but I did want to start our our episode out with that because and so you know, I know you were like, we gotta do that. We gotta start with that because that is a badass just all day long. Forget about the reason why she's sitting there. Yeah, but just how she said it, she is like, get out. Mm-hmm. I love it. Beat it. Beat it. Not afraid, not sinking back in her chair, not speaking softly. No. Owning that whole situation. No. But even if you speak softly, you can still be a badass. No, totally. But she in that moment. Sorry. You gotta watch episode one to know what the voice is. And by the way, I realized, you know what I realized the other day? What? I was uh thinking about episode two, which I that I we didn't really love episode two. We didn't love it. I don't know. You know, it was just a lot of stuff. But people liked it, I guess. I don't know. But I thought to myself, I referenced the the woman in the hood and you waving outside of your the woman in the hood. This the woman in the hood and this and you waving outside the car. And and I realized if nobody listened to episode one, and they really don't have the context for you waving outside of a car. So that means people, if you haven't listened to episode one, you actually have to take time and go one, two, three, and do all the things. It's true. Because it is a story that it builds. It's a story that builds and it's some good stuff. And uh but uh so I do

Fact Check + New England Memories

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have to do some fact checking. We'd like to fact check, or I do. Kristen does not. You really care about the fact check. I care about a fact check. I do, and it's usually because I'm fact-checking myself, and then I I I somebody texts me and says, That's not right. Like, what are you doing? Right, right. And then they but it's always laughing emojis, like it's not like they're mad at me. But I last time we were talking about how cold it is and we have nor'easters all the time. And I said, you know, it's like the the blizzard of 71. It's like, no, I uh you didn't check on that. You didn't help me out. I mean, I don't really know. Yeah, I mean, we were like, I mean, I was born. Yeah. So I was actually doing, I was in the thinking, but so I do have to fact check on that one. I just wanted that's I think that's all I got this week for fact check. But it was clear this, you know, I actually it was my mother who was like, hey, you were you were seven. You were an elementary school kid. You were in elementary school, you were not that's your you're I remember it. Don't you remember it? I was uh no, why would I remember that? I mean, I was here, I was actually in Boston. I was in Brookline, Massachusetts with my mom. Maybe I'm a little bit like JFK Jr. Like I don't remember that I remember your JFK Jr. You know how he says about the funeral that people always ask, do you remember giving that that salute picture? Amazing picture. Same. I think it's the same words, me and my sister in this like snow bank, and I think maybe I've just seen that picture so many times that I'm That's fair, that's fair. That's fair, yeah. JFK speaking of JFK Jr., have you seen the uh Love Story? You saw it? Oh my god, it's so good. Did you watch The Real House was a brother and sure didn't okay? Oh, we have so much to talk about this time. There's so many things that just in my mind, but I do want to stop you because part of this Yeah, I'm not gonna

JRK Jr. & What We're (Not) Watching

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say it. Well, listen, the there was a suggestion that maybe I watch the episode so we could talk about it. Guess what? I don't have enough hours in my life to watch that show. I told you to watch an episode, it's 30 minutes. I I don't have that. Well you're gonna have to do it because we've been told that you have been told that you gotta watch an episode. Just like you tell people to do shit all day long at your jobs, do stuff because they have to do it. That's what I do. Yeah, I mean you do it in a nice way. Yeah. But you you have to watch at least one. At least watch one, and so we can talk about it. And Love is blind. Just watch the last couple, not the weddings, but you you gotta do that. I just all right, let's just get back to Love Story. She's not doing it. Anyway, I don't know. Okay. Love story is it it's so good. He was so hot. Who's playing him? That's a big that's a talk about a big build of girl. I mean I'm and people are saying that the guy who's playing him is actually more physically attractive than JFK Jr. himself was. I don't know if I agree with that. But he's pretty good. Okay. Here's the thing, which is a maybe a a controversial take. Okay. She seems like a snot. What do you mean? The one that played her? No. Oh, the way that they portrayed her? The way they're portraying her. She seems like That's not cool. I heard that she just didn't like the limeline. I don't know. She have you watched any of them? No, I don't hey. Maybe I won't watch that. I do want to watch it, but maybe you know what? I'm not sure. I'm not telling you, we have to. I'm revolting, I'm not watching it. Because if you watch one of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, just one with Rachel Zoe. I love Rachel Zoe, 1990s. My favorite person. I did like just watch a couple. Okay. All right, I'll watch. It's not a transaction. Life is a transaction. But okay, all right. Do you remember do you remember when they died? Do you remember 100%? Yeah. I remember where I was. I was actually here. I was in mass already. And yes, I do. Remember where I was, and I remember sitting in front of the TV, like it was a big deal. And um, I was with some friends, and I was actually at my friend's parents' house. And all of a sudden it was like I just remember someone saying, Well my god, oh my god, and like you know, they were in the watching the TV, and then we all came in, we're like, What? And then they kept showing what's going on, and it was a beginning of this is what's happened, and we think they've their plane has crashed and all the things.

Olympics Wrap-Up

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And then it was like, as you know, hours all day long. Oh my god, we just sat there all the time. We just sat there and watched TV. And he, I, you know, I didn't know him, or I think back then we were young enough to know enough. He didn't? What do you think? He's kind of dead. I mean, I don't want to say anything. You know, I want to get anybody mad. You know what I mean? But no, I did not know him. True everybody, I did not know him. I did not meet him, but I wish I had. But the point is, I think he would have probably made a really great president. I know I'm probably a cliche and everybody said that. And I don't think he wanted to do it. I don't think he wanted to do it. I don't think he did either. I think he wanted to have a creative that George, his magazine, all the things. He wanted a creative That was a cool magazine. That was a cool magazine. I remember it. It was, yeah. I remember it. As you know, where I grew up is right down the street from there. I wasn't home. Where's that? It's again, people aren't listening. In West Hyannisport, Massachusetts, is where I grew up, but they are in Hyannesport. Can we just actually say that again? So Right. It's down the street. I live near Craigville Seven Pizza. They live. This is what Kristen likes to do. She's like, so there we go, waving out the side of the car, all the things. So that West Hyannisport. West Hyannesport. Hyannesport is like a big deal, though, isn't it? Hyannisport is the village where they we're all from. But my point on this is that my mom is down there. I was in Charlestown at the time. I didn't wasn't in Charlestown. Charlestown. And on another topic, put a pin in. I just watched a documentary about the 1980 men's hockey team. But you will not watch the real households are so good. And by the way, oh, that's one I just one interruption. I've been told so many triggers are waving. So many fingers waving. I I have to actually go back to it's not a fact check, but it's definitely I was super pumped to remember about the men's hockey team, and I said, Oh, Canada, and I sing it right before we didn't revisit it. Sorry, I can't tell you how upset I've been for so many days. Like my son's friends are like, How's your mom? They're all different schools, I think, and whatever. I am destroyed. I'm sorry. I'm still I'm not I'm still not over it. And it was a no, it wasn't. 17. I love the kid, but he had so many shots on goal. But it's again, it's in the moment, like we said, so those moments during the Olympics and all the things, but I'm still destroyed, so that's quick. And then put that's done. That's that's full stop. And I got one more and then I'll full stop that too. Is the women's hockey team, which I did not speak enough about, which I talked again, I will talk about that in a time, but I focused too much on the men. It was just because the game was about to come on, and I was already cheering for the women and whatever. And Canadian USA, I didn't really care because I think they're all amazing, and I was just all the power and all the things for us as women. Cheers to them. Oh my gosh. Cheers to the USA and that hockey team and those women killing it, selling people just like Hillary Clinton. Everybody needs to sit down. Yep. Stop telling us what we need to do, where we need to do it, how we need to do it, because we just won gold. Yep. So do not pretend like you want to shake our hand, talk to us, all the things. Because I didn't see them when it was, what is it, you state of the union, whatever that was. Oh my god, I'm not getting into it. Jesus, that was land. I feel like the price is right, by the way. Oh my god. Honestly. But it was amazing. There were some amazing things, and those people should have received it. I'm not saying that, but I mean, come on, can we get some content? Seriously. I mean, he could have done our podcast for God's sakes. Okay. But anyways, I'm done. Full stop. Women's USA, Canadian Amazing 2. Congrats for silver and congrats for for competing. But those women on the USA, uh, women's hockey team, incredible. You killed it. Right. Love your voice. Keep that voice going and don't ever put up with any bullshit. I'm done. Go back.

Motorcades & Presidents

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Okay, so back to that is my mom was saying that all the news uh cameras and all the people showed up in Hyannisport and all set up shop, Katie Kirk and Brian Williams and all the people of the time. Yeah. And then I came down on the weekend, and the presidential motorcade drove right by our neighborhood because they're going out when he came. Who was president then? Oh my god. Jesus. Who was it? It was the first Bush, maybe. I think it was G Dub. Yeah, I think so. Whatever. He drove by in his in his black car, and and everybody's out on the street waving and cheering, and when he left, we all were like so thrilled. Is that an interesting phenomenon? The presidential motorcade drove by. Okay. And we didn't stop. Oh, I didn't stop. It was just the black car. And we were all so thrilled. It's an interesting phenomenon that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like the whole neighborhood was like, oh my God, the presidential car just drove by us. Like, is this during the is this because he came down for the the Yeah, he came down for the funeral and the ML. So your point is like there's also, but there's also, like, think about that in a really interesting way. There's a funeral for a human, JFK Jr., who obviously Kennedy lags see all the things, right? So there's all that. But then the motorcade comes in, like, so you're saying people are cheering, like, so excited to see the presents going by. What happened to that family? Well, no, just thinking that there I wouldn't I don't know about the cheering because somebody just passed. Well, yeah, but I I think it was a little bit linear. It's a really interesting card. You're right. Yeah, it's two things. It's two things. You're right. Which is super interesting. But it was just almost like we didn't even see his face. Like we just saw the car go by. I know. You want to be in that car down? I do. Oh my god. Maybe not at that time, but yeah. Obviously. People waving goes back to her. It's always going to be here, people. It goes back to her waving her gut out of the door. All right, listen. But it is a thing. I and I remember that at the when we went away, I don't know, we were away in uh Obama, same thing. Yeah. Like there was a big black escalate. No, it was an escalade. It was a uh big back black suburban. On a vineyard? Yeah. So you just see them and you're like, oh my god, there they go. You're right. It's kind of a thrill. Yeah, I was thrilled. I was excited. I was excited that my son saw it. He was more excited, and I think that's cool. Right. I was kind of like, can you just roll down the window and top out for a minute? I know. Get some pizza. Or just like stick your hand out and wave. Which they actually were pretty good at, I will say. Being public. Yeah. Like out in the world. I mean, I feel like I saw that. Yeah, but for all of them, they really can't. I think they want to, but then you've got all the secret service, and it's like you know, anyways. One thing I didn't expect to talk about today, but on Obama. How cool is it to see both he and Michelle like living their fucking lives right now? They're out saying whatever they want to say. We talked about their maids. I know, but like we talked a little bit about her. That's true, that's true. Because I said I wanted to meet her. Right. Yeah. But I just love the idea that they're they're so free from the shackles now and they are just doing what they need to do, which is so good. Can I love the shackles? Oh, that was bad. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. That's all right. That wasn't great. No, I'm just messing with her. Yeah, no, no, it's not good, though. No, I and Michelle would look at me and be like, that's not a big deal. Nobody says it. Kind of is, though. Anyway, so but I do agree. I do agree that they're living their life, man. Yeah, they're just afraid. He looks fantastic. You see he looked really tan the other day. He look he looks great. Everything's both of them. They do she and her hair, her hair, her fingernails. She's now got like You're looking at her fingernails, Kristen. I'm looking at everything now where Kristen looks at everything. Everything. Because back, it's a little bit like we talked about the Royals. Like back when she was the first lady, she couldn't be rocking. She couldn't be rocking the thigh-high sparkly boots that she wore. I mean, Mary J. Gladge up in there. She looks fantastic. They are uh living their best lives. Jesse Jackson, that's another one. Did you see the funeral the other day? Yeah, it was great. Um and that's why I thought about Obama because he spoke and he, of course, he was incredible. Well, it's nice in his work. I saw his remarks. Yeah, I saw Obama's remarks. They were so good. Yeah. But that's kind of what I mean. He looked fantastic. He was free. Not that he wouldn't have been a president doing that, and and that was um um yeah, Jesse Jackson's was uh thing for me. That was hard. Yeah, but um but but to watch all of them speak, but yeah, I just thought about him because he did a great job as usual. But um is just a force and a force to be reckoned with. Okay, listen, we're gonna take a quick turn for a second because

Tattoos, Money, Travel & Private Jets

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we're turning. Um I want to talk for a minute about tattoos. Oh, for God's sakes. What what do we mean? Do you have it? No, of course not. Are you gonna get one? I really want one. You know, and anyone who knows me knows. I don't want to act surprised. No, I am surprised. I didn't know you wanted one. Okay. Oh. And I sometimes put like a Sharpie on my why oh, okay. I sometimes he put like a use a sharpie to draw the design that I would do or whatever. And I saw something that might be interesting to you. Oh, that's so nice. On March 13th, why are you she's rolling her hand down her leg like I'm gonna get a s they're not sleeves, but I'm gonna get a whole thigh tattoo. If you go into Chipotle on March 13th and you have a tattoo, you get a BOGO. You gotta buy one, get one free. I'm just saying. I I had no idea that this is where it was going. I thought you were gonna say that you've got 20 tattoos. No. No, that you you wanna get no that I thought you were getting ready to say something like, I wanted a tattoo for 20 years, and you were gonna say, Let's go get a tattoo together. Instead, it's about Chipotle. I met Obama. What's the other one? Yeah, I don't know. Oh, I got one later. I got a big one for you guys before we leave, but go ahead. The single best thing that would happen would be being able to fly and travel any way you want. That's what money means to me. I want you to get a big house, a lot of clothes, whatever. Being able to travel. Oh my god. You and I could right now be like, you know, we're going to Fiji. Fucking tonight. Fiji. We don't want our P well, it'd be yours, obviously, because it sounds like you're gonna do that first. You're gonna figure it out next week. So you're gonna get we'll be on the PJ just talking. Just talking. We'd be there right now. Can you actually they our listeners don't even know if we are on our private jet or not right now? Yeah. You don't even hear that. It's so quiet. It's so like just nothing. All you hear is the can I get you something? That's my white noise machine. Oh what's the thing for sleep is with it? Oh, uh my CPAP? This is my CPAP. This is my CPAP while we're on our P on Chris's private jet. I'm telling you, wouldn't that be the best? It's gonna be the best because you're gonna get that. No, I'll be next time we come to our next episode be like, so we were on Kristen's private jet because she did only take a week to get one. All right, listen, if you had a private jet, how would you figure out your staff? Like, how would you figure out the people that work on your private jet? I would have them be so chill. I would be like, no uniforms, like wear whatever the fuck you want, sweatpants. We're all in this together, we're going on a long flight. Let's figure it out. You don't want the red carpet pulled out with your name embroidered on it with your monogram and shit. So I would agree with you. So I think that's why we like each other. No, my my staff is gonna be my best friend. Totally. Like, and I'm not gonna call in a mill. Hold up, I'm not serving you on that plan. What are you talking about? I don't think you like my staff. It's one of my best friends. I'm not doing it. Yeah, she she caught me. She caught me because I actually she knows I mean. No, like maybe you, Kristen. You're gonna be like serving up some like cheese and crackers like you do for the podcast. I know, it's not true. No, no, no, no. I you know what I mean. I mean like you. Like, so there they'll be people that like I really like and I want to spend time with, and they, hey, by the way, you happen to be a pilot, and hey, by the way, you just somebody that's on there who's keeping her shit together, like I need a drink, but I quite frankly, like, I don't know, like maybe I'm wrong because I don't have a private jet, I don't know how it works, but I don't need people serving me. I just need a fully stocked fridge. I'm not pr listen, I'm not taking a bunch of people on my private jet. I'm only really taking my closest friends. Right. And as my mother used to say to me, your closest friends or you can count them on one hand. Yeah, that's for sure. So, hey, I might have a private jet with 30 seats just for the hell of it, but I'm only filling five at a time. Yeah, that's a really good point. Right? So it's the people we all know. Like, you're not gonna be like, hey, Sven, can I get a can I don't know who Sven came from. Can I get I don't know, he's good looking though. I don't know. He has a Nordic. He's Nordic. I don't know. He's like he's the guy that was doing the Olympic thing. He's a guy that was hitting the deck. He's a guy that Kristen was talking about shooting and hitting the deck and we couldn't figure out. I still didn't look that upstairing. I nodded it in. Anyways, my point is we we don't need all that. No, but I'll tell you what, where where you and I differ, somebody better be bringing me that drink on with a napkin and place it in front of me. That is so gross. 100%. Why? Why can't you get up when the plane takes off and go to the fridge and get your own thing? Maybe I can after a little bit. Like you, you know, put your feet up. I like I said, I won't. How about this? If I get a private jet before you, which you will probably will. Let's let's be real. I don't think that's true. No, I don't think it's true. All right. Uh I will get your first glass of champagne. Okay. I'll pour it in and get you a little nappy. Okay. A little napkin. Yeah. Because I'm not hiring a whole bunch of staff. I'm not spending my money on that. But at the same time, you kind of need it. Like you need people who are gonna give you a napkin in the five. People who are trained, and that's a line of work that like do that thing. We're in the race for private jets now. Kristen said she's getting hers by next week. All we all all you guys all know as listeners is that there's probably five or six people on a private jet at a time. Right. I think the first place it sounds like we're going is Fiji. Uh yeah, I just that just came to mind because there's far, far, it was far, far. And it feels like that would be a shitty. We would like to feel far, far away from here. If you have a private jet, what are you doing with the short lights? And I know I'm not on Instagram. Back to social media. I'm not I'm not even telling people where I am. Really? You are. I don't know. That's a good question. I think it's just a lot of people. I always use a word and everybody's like, oh, you're so old to my sense of friends, like dial out. Like nobody dials out. Like it's not a rotary phone anymore. Log off. Log off. Log off? That's old too, though. No. I think that's real. Put the mic down. Oh. Drop the mic? No, that's different. We should do it. This is an episode I do of like all the phrases. I don't know. I'm not going to know any of them. I know I'm going to do like flashback. That's going to be like family feud. We should have, we should have Harvey. We should have Harvey on to do it for us. Like in like Sakina and like you know, the two people that stand at the end, like the cum of the family with the hands behind their back. So it's me and you, and like who's going to get the most points is we win it. And you'd probably like I'd go up second. So it has to, you have to go over 200. And I think you would probably get to like 195. And then I come up after you. And then and then and then I just lose it. Like five questions, zero, zero, zero, zero. And you're like, we didn't win twenty thousand dollars because you can't get five points on this thing for two. I think that so here's a hot take. We haven't done a video of this yet. I don't know if anybody's ready for it. I know, but that might be the first one. Maybe it is a video. Oh, the family feud thing? Yeah. Yeah. Are we calling Harvey up? I don't maybe. Maybe after maybe after this weekend, you'll be able to call him.

Awards Season

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Well, I've been talking about a lot, the whole Oscars, because I'm really on for Michael B. Jordan. My voice is going wild. Oh my god, we haven't talked since he won the SAG award. He won the actor. I died. That's like the first time. Did you see that? That's the first time. Did you see it? Of course I saw it. It was so good. That's the first time. Like I was like, thank you, Jesus. It's coming. Because I sat there when that award came up, and I think I've told you, or maybe I think I mentioned this before when they're talking about the other ones. And I was like, how did he not win? And what? But with the SAG awards is a big one, which they've changed the name by the way. The actors. I mean, what? I don't know. Can we just sit sit with SAG? Yeah. I don't know. What is like all this rebranding? I don't know. Unless you're a member of the Union. No, it was weird. But let's just get back to it. Michael B. Jordan, when they announced that in Viola Davis was the one who did it. She wasn't even know what to do with herself. That I I laughed. I at first I was like kind of screened. Yep. Internally. Yep. Of because you know me. Yeah. And then I was like, oh my God. Like a small child's voice. And then I watched Viola. I looked up, she lost it. And then he came up and he's it was it was brilliant. It was all brilliant. I'm so happy for him. And again, there's not, I mean, he played two people at one time, but it's not even about that. It's just that's the acting. And it's it's again, there's a lot of a lot of great actors that are out there that are up for this award, but it's to me it's still him. And then the other one, and I'll put a pin on it so you can start talking, but um, because I know I'm talking to you. No, you're not. I am kind of I always do. Okay, it's fine. Which is Sean Frickin' Penn. He won. So uh one battle after another, is that what's one battle after another? One battle. Which I can never get it right because I want to always want to say once upon a time. People are like, that's not it. They're like, Did you see the movie? I'm like, No, I did, but I keep saying it wrong. Did you see it? I did see it. Oh, I didn't see it. No, you though just like Real Housewives appear. I cannot. Those two things are not together, but I'm just saying, like, come on. So great movie. You know, Tiana Taylor's in it. She's in Leonardo was great. But like I told you the last one, I love oh what? We already talked about this. I can't get out of here. As you say to me, get out of here. Now beat it. Okay. Beat it. But uh the one person that I who I felt like they didn't talk enough about was Sean Penn, I think I said this in one of the episodes. Yeah. He killed it. So I was really happy to see he would he did won an award. Okay. Um I'm gonna try to watch that. So lastly, I think the one thing that I wanted to say, and I know you got one to wrap up with. No. So today I come up here and she's like, well, you know, we're talking, she got her cheese. Maybe she gets a cheese. She wasn't throwing it around today, though. No throwing around, you know, cheese. She looked good today. She felt really good. And we come up and they were talking and whatever, and then she goes, Yeah, so uh I said something about the Oscars, and she goes, Oh, yeah, so I, you know, I'm going. I got tickets and like whatever. I'm like, oh, so we're going to go. Let's be clear. I don't have tickets. I was gifted just at an event. I'm not going to the Oscars. Okay. So she got gifted seats to the event. It's weird talking about this. Yeah. It's weird. No, it's not weird at the event. And and I'm really happy about it. But anyway, she's going to be there. I'm super psyched about it. Okay. And um, you know, I mean, whatever. But she's going back with some good stories. And you're going to come back with some really good stories. I hope so. And you're going for all the right reasons. I mean, I mean, the work you do is amazing, so whatever. Okay.

Prison Reform & Real Change

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Um, but we did want to talk about, in all seriousness, was which kind of leads into it because all the great work you do and those are the reasons you can do all these amazing things. And I'm being super serious. She's getting now, she's getting mad at me because she doesn't think I'm serious. I am. I'm not being sarcastic anymore. Okay. Talk about your trip when you were doing some work and or uh thinking about prison reform, right? Which is a big deal. And you know how I feel about prison reform and all the things. I know you don't want to spend a lot of time on it, but I know you wanted to talk about just what it meant to you and like sort of give the ins and outs of what it felt like to be to be there. Yeah, that's a long one. Yeah, you're right. And I hyped it up last time. So I don't know you didn't hype it up. You just say it was important. It's important to you, and I th it's important to me too. So it might sound weird to say this. I feel like this was I was so fortunate to be able to see and meet the gentleman that we did. I feel so fortunate to have met these guys. It for all the reasons, not the least of which was they are doing the hard work to as adults atone for things that happened to them as teenagers. And I didn't you'll note I did not say things they did. Correct. Things that happened to them when they were teenagers, based on the circumstances of their lives, based on what was going on, what the situations that they had no way to not be in. I don't know a better way to say it. I get it. Anyway, I could talk about it for a jillion hours, and everyone all of my family and all of my close friends have already talked about it for a Jillian hours, but I met five men that truly changed my perspective of how I think about how fortunate I am in the life I lead. I'm sued. It was we all need to have those moments, is what I'm saying. It's true. Yeah, it was transformative. And I met five guys, there are 2,500 of them in that facility. I'm sure some of them should be there. I'm sure some of them have debts to pay to society. The gentlemen that I met were incredible. I mean, it was a life-changing experience to meet them and to hear their stories and to have them share their stories and for them to talk about what happened to them was unbelievable. And I'll say this, which I won't go on and on because now it gets like really serious. But I asked the one guy, you wake up, it's the same today as it was yesterday, it'll be the same tomorrow, it'll be the same the next day, it'll be the same the next day. And he was like, No, it's not. I that's interesting. Got my college education, I am doing this thing about training service dogs, I work for the newspaper, I'm doing this, that, and the other thing. He was making such a full life out of what we would all say he had nothing. Right. And he was making a full fucking life doing the best he could do to make himself better, to contribute to what was going on around him. To he mentored the young guys that are coming in the age he was when he was in there. He was in there for 19 years already when I met him. Wow. Unbelievable. Did they did he I mean I knew I talked to quite a few, but did they was there an atonement around what had happened or what why they were in there? What they were in there for, I'm assuming. They all talked about it. Every single one of them had taken a life. Every single one of them had taken a life. And for all different under all different circumstances. Yeah. Um, and you know, things that are that are almost like um can't think of the right word. I was gonna say stereotypical, but that's not it. Like things you would imagine, like here's the after school special about what happens to a kid in a gang. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. Yeah. But it was real. The stereotype of like what stereotype, yeah, like what it's supposed to look like, yeah. But it was real. And it and they part of their journey is talking about it and saying it out loud and healing it and trying to do the best they can anyway, whatever. It was amazing. It was something that I feel I really feel fortunate to have experienced. Yeah. And I think it's also you're fortunate to experience, like you said, but it's also changed the way you thought. Totally. Right. And that's some of the things we always say about this when we talked about starting to do this podcast, which is, you know, we're gonna talk about all the things that are pop culture and all the fun, you know, things that can be funny and stuff. And this is just and we're also gonna talk about things that are real, which is, you know, you can have an uh assumption about the way things work or the way things are supposed to look or how they look right from the outside. But you actually went in and actually saw how it was working from the inside, and that you know, I've always been a a firm believer that if people want to change, they're gonna change, and if they get the resources that are needed to help them change, they will do that. Yeah, but you've got to want to do it yourself. Yeah, if you do not want to do that yourself, then nothing's gonna change. And and so I believe that in prison reform, and I think that's what you're saying. You we can see it in many different faces facets of everyday life. But when you're I mean, that's when you said, like you asked them that question, that's a question I always have. What's it like to wake up and go to bed when somebody tells you to? Yeah. What's it like to like, you know, every single day is the same, and that's what I would think. And like you said, they're like no, and they're saying no, it sounds like because they're like, because I want to change the way who I, you know, be a better person, but also there's an atonement, but there's also, like you said, before anything probably even happened, there was something that was happening to them.

unknown 28:11

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

And I think that gets lost in translation sometimes. Yeah, totally. We don't we're not born. I was we talked about this, I think, in one of our other podcasts, which is we are not, I do not believe, and maybe I said I'm not a Nobel Peace Prize winner. I do not believe as humans, we are born to harm people, I agree, to hate people, to just be disrespectful, disobey all those things. I think you're that's learned, and I think it's also experiences that you're put in that sometimes are very unfortunate, yep, that create chaos mentally. And so, yeah, I know I I I'm glad we touched on that because I know something was super important to you. And I think it also, like you said, it's we are constantly, you and I are changing as we get older and we're learning new things. And that's when I remember when you came back, you're like, yo, I didn't even like I might the way I think about all of this is so different. Like you always knew, like and had that core of like, yeah, everybody can change, and like you're all in, and how you can help, but like it changed you. No, I can tell that. Totally. Here's the last thing I'll say about it. I walked in there and these five guys stood in front of us, and I'll admit I was scared. I was like, this is weird. And each of them said they had taken someone else's life, and I was like, I am standing in a room with five murders. I'm just gonna say that was my right by the time we left, when we left after four hours, they lined up in front of us, and each of them said, if you want to shake hands or if you want to do whatever when you leave, but you please don't feel obligated. And I literally, although the the woman, the lieutenant who was with us the whole time told us not to shake hands is all we could do, but I wanted to hug every single one of those guys. And one of the guys, as I said to you, was up for his um his hearing about his release like three days later, which I didn't know. And I took that guy's two hands in my hands and I was like, his name is George. I feel like I will think about him for the rest of my life. And I was like, George, I'm gonna be thinking about you on Monday. Like, I'm gonna be putting all the energy in the world for you. And he took my two hands, he was like, Thank you so much. Thank you for being it was a human. He's a human anyway, whatever. Hey, is that is a lot of things. No, but that's real podcast, but it was amazing. It was amazing. I'm gonna think about that guy for the rest of my life. All it hasn't meant. No, I remember, and I'll leave it there, we'll put a pin on it, like you always say, but I remember no, I remember when you said that about George. You were like, I think it was like Sunday night and it was a Monday that was coming up, and you're like, I just really want to know what happens and what happens. And I said, Can you figure it out? Can you call somebody, whatever? And you were like, No, and like I guess the point is he changed your life forever. Yeah. And they did, that experience did, but also um I think you'll meet George again. I hope so. I really do. I think that moment that you had with him is not just beneficial for you to learn and all the things. I think that also I think moments that we have with people, even so I think he probably thinks the same way you do. I don't know, maybe that would be nice to think. No.

Reflection, News & Wrap-Up

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Some good people in the world. Yeah, for sure. But I appreciate you and I appreciate all the good stuff you do. Thanks, you do now. Anything else you want to talk about? Well, listen, changing pace altogether. Yeah, changing pace. I just saw right before we were crying. Right before I know, honestly. She was crying, I was her crying too. Um right before we recorded is some late breaking news that the government just said there are 32 countries in Europe that we shouldn't travel to right now for some mysterious disease. What? Yeah. Is this like the monkey carrying the thing? Listen, that fucking we cut the first of all, we cut that. We cut that. And I was way ahead of the curve because of wait, because of social media. I saw this monkey and I was like, I saw this crazy thing, and you were like, that's stupid. Nobody likes that's done it out. We cut it out. You know who it is? Hey everybody, it's Punch the Monkey. And if you're you're listening to the live two, he is everywhere. And who do a I don't like to pat myself on the back too often. I claim that I don't know if it's a good one. Because I knew about Punch the Monkey before everybody else. So we did. We she she went all in and we cut that out. So it's Punch the Monkey's still walking around with that that uh Punch the Monkey has friends now. It's all listening. Okay, listen, the CDC issues a travel advisory for 32 countries, including several in Europe, over the spread of a paralyzing disease. This is 32 minutes ago. So let's just leave it with that. Does it say anything else other than that? I probably did if I dug into it, but as always, I don't know more than that. Like it's not a good thing. Listen, I'm not gonna get into it. I we started with Hillary, but there's just so much going on in the world. I'm not gonna talk about the other things. I just can't because I'm so angry. I know. I'm just really I try not to swear a lot anymore. I know, but I strive I mean I haven't tried. Yeah, have you noticed I didn't drop an F bomb, a full F bomb today? I did. Sorry, yeah, I did twice. Oh, you don't really swear. I do think all you I think the listeners probably hear me go friggin'. So not me. Episode four will be different. I'll start swearing again. Yeah, no, I I gotta try. I don't know. It's like a therapy thing, just stop toy. Listen, I feel like this is way too long. I'm the I'm usually the the time. She's a Gestapo on the time. I don't know about Gestapo. Which one's Gestapo? No, exelection eckles? Yeah. Oh, sorry. I don't think well I was told that our 30 minutes was too short. I know we have fans now. We have fans. I don't know. Yeah, it's not gonna take it. So is there anything else you want to talk about before we wrap it up? No. Oh, well, that was I don't know, you got something else? I don't know. It's boiling around in there. Nothing. Like I said, the other stuff is not I want to talk about. We keep this light, we keep it light. Well, I'm looking forward to the Oscars. Okay. You should see her look down again. I'm looking forward to you going and you're coming back with all kinds of stories for us. I've been going for Michael B. Jordan if you guys are wanting somebody else, that's great, but Michael B. Jordan's gonna win. And I hope that you all have a wonderful, wonderful week. And Kristen, as we always sign off, there's nobody I'd want to do this with but you. Your knuckles are right in my throat, too. Sorry, no, I love you. Love you to pieces. Take care. Bye.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

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