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New York Subway Problem | Episode 1 | 60PlusThePodcast
We spar over sneakers, New York style rules, and global fashion before diving into a charged question: is Jim Jones more relevant today than Nas. The talk widens into tone, singles, and authenticity, then gets human—childhood trauma, chemo, heartbreak, discipline, AI, and immigrant grit.
• sneaker trends across generations and the “dad shoe” label
• New York fashion codes vs global style in Japan and Korea
• relevance vs greatness in hip-hop and the Hit-Boy run
• why drill can clash with age and lived truth
• rappers who “rap about rapping” and the need for haymakers
• a Queens childhood memory that rewired fear and trust
• unlearning the hard work myth in favor of smart leverage
• trade school, finance, cybersecurity, and healthcare paths
• AI as a genie and prompt engineering for creators
• social media algorithms, virality tactics, and boundaries
• isolation, mental health on NYC trains, attention fasting
• chemo, heartbreak, and conquering impulse with discipline
• Mansaa Musa, economics of power, and cultural curiosity
• immigrant work ethic, family, and planting seeds
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Okay guys, so I'm pretty new to this journey. Maybe because I've always been a scene type of person. Um I don't speak, I don't engage. Uh I'm pretty reserved. But I'm just endeavor I'm choosing to be something that I fear I'll regret later on. So, welcome to the 60 plus podcast, where we have human conversations with people for 60 plus minutes. Laugh with us, feel with us, maybe even cry with us. But at the end of the day, I hope we do something that makes your day brighter or even makes you feel a little bit better before we get this episode started. I'd like to dedicate this entire project. Whatever else that I come from there is I'd like to dedicate all of this for the memory. We miss you guys. Welcome to the podcast.
SPEAKER_03:But before you couldn't get those, and I got them. I got my hands on them. And before there was no way. There was no way.
SPEAKER_04:Or if you did, you was paying six, seven hundred. Yeah, I think I paid$350. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It's a completely different game. All these kids love A6 now and all that other stuff.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, yeah. It's completely crazy how they say like the dad shoe is the dad's shoe, but was the what they're wearing is what we call the dad shoe. Uptown's dad shoes, man. Uptown's dad's show. That would never show you never. I'm not with none of that. That's not even happening in the show.
SPEAKER_04:Up's are never dad's shoes. Get out of here. Uptown shoes? Yeah. Yeah, they call them Gen Z calling it dad shoes. Those are their dad shoes while they're wearing the A6 and ugly new balances that we were like. And now they a buck fifty?
SPEAKER_03:It was three for 45 in the foot locker, like nobody wanted those.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody. Uptown's a what? Nike is? Yeah, Air Force One.
SPEAKER_03:The Air Force One. That's what they call Uptown's? Yeah, those are Uptown.
SPEAKER_02:I'm not a shoey. So I've no idea.
SPEAKER_03:They let you know. Yo, I'm not a shoey. Yeah, no, that's what they're calling them, bro. They call it, they call it Uptown's dad shoes. That's crazy, though. I remember in the like in like 2015, 2014, the dad shoe thing started happening. With the monarchs.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, with the monarchs. Because what the Roshis died. They had died off by that point. The monarchs got a little popular. And people was going crazy for those.
SPEAKER_03:It was like, yo, that was like you was a square if you wore those, bro. You had the rolling book bag in school. You was getting a swirling upside down in the in the torch. What the heck would y'all talk about? Everybody was wearing them. You're like, hold on, so wait a minute. Monarchs? That's what we're wearing right now. And then they started evolving, and then yeah, now they flip the script talking about Uptown's dad shit.
SPEAKER_04:Once they said you could wear Adidas pants with Nike shoes. Nah, nah. That's when I knew I'm like, yeah, the game is done. No, no, we're not doing that. There's no standards now. Nah, we're not doing that. There's no standards. Nah. That's how the kids feel. The kids do that though. Adidas pants, Nike shoes, A6 hoodie. You're getting laughed off the block, bro.
SPEAKER_03:And yo, and there was times that there was people coming outside thinking they were super pikey. You nah, yo, hold on, son. You can't be doing this. Nah, go back to the city. They don't mix. Like, what you talking about? You know what I'm saying? Like, nah, nah. I don't know about all that. That's big facts. Yeah, New York, New York. I mean, we the fashion capital of the world.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because everyone follows Japan is. Yeah, well, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, Japan, Japan is is for but yeah, but they really go, they go, they go crazy out there. The Korean? Yeah, but I mean that whole Koreans, the Japanese, they whole they go, they go hard like in everything. Like, there's a whole like Cholo Japanese movement. Uh-huh. Where they do the tags and they face everything, yes. And they're like they're put on tags, like, nah, they're real. Yes. They put barrio trece in there. They're like, you don't know what that means. You know what it means. You don't know about it. Like, you don't know what a barrio trece is. You're a wild right now, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Like, no, don't go to LA. You can't be doing that.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I'm saying? So it's yeah, nah, they go, they go hard. So you're not, but and and like the fashion, the fashion, they go crazy. They they and they put on like they love hip hop. Like they they super hip hop.
SPEAKER_04:And they respect it, though.
SPEAKER_03:They really respect it. They respect it.
SPEAKER_04:They really like it's no respect for hip hop, man.
SPEAKER_03:You know what it is, bro? Is that I don't know if it's no respect. I think it's I think you know what I think it is, really, is that we're almost like that spoiled kid.
SPEAKER_02:Uh America or in New York, especially. Especially.
SPEAKER_03:Because this is a Mecca. We're the Mecca. So we we saw we saw everything. We saw from the beginning from when they were going ha-huh. You know what I'm saying? To like, you know, to the Nazis, to the Rakins, 50 Cent, Hove.
SPEAKER_02:So we saw everything. So talking music, right? I saw the stuff you posted on Instagram. It was like Jim Jones. Did you see it as well?
SPEAKER_03:Mm-hmm. I thought I'm catching a live. I saw the MM. I saw the MM one. Oh, I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, what do you want me?
SPEAKER_02:You want me to expound on that? Because I'm I'm literally trying to remember what you said.
SPEAKER_03:Because I know you're comparing, because I think you were saying it was like Jim or Nas, or what was the comparison is is Jim Jones more relevant than Nas? That's what started the whole conversation. Okay, yes, because that's been a running topic for a couple months now. Yeah, and I mean, come on. Like, let I mean, one I get first out of the way, Nas is a legend. Yeah, right. Nas is one of the goats of this whole entire thing that we call hip hop music and hip-hop culture. Yes, sir. So let's not get that fucked up.
SPEAKER_02:But motionless is one of my favorite songs. And it was written as one of my favorite albums of all time.
SPEAKER_03:Like it's it's uh was it P O M E? No, no, I'm talking about Nas. Talk about Nas. Oh, Nash. It's my favorite album is it goes like Life After Death Big, and then it was written. So you know what I'm saying? But the the conversation is about right now in today's world's 2025. Right, because it's talking about like like someone's chasing their head at someone. It's it's more about relevance, right? The way that I word it and the way that I look at it is what Jim is doing right now. He put it, he puts in pain for his career. He's outside, he's he's on Kai Snatch stream, he's he's he's doing podcasts.
SPEAKER_02:You know Zoe, right? Uh a conversation with Zoe. Do you know Zoe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, shout out to Zoe. Good man. I think I'm gonna try to get him on next week. Jim did his part, I think, twice. Okay, that's that's dope. Yeah, so so Jim's like really He's outside. That's what I'm saying. Like I've been to his his place in the broader.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the International House of Content or something like that.
SPEAKER_02:It's like a giant warehouse and they make it look like a book. He's tapped in the ball. Uh it was for his, it was like two years ago, it was for his one of his albums. I was up there with Zoe on someone else.
SPEAKER_03:He's tapped in and he puts him pain for his career, and he's really he's really making music that sounds contemporary and is not trying to sound nostalgic, right? So he he and he raps well. Like, I don't care what nobody says, he raps well. Now, say all of that to say that in 2025, Jim Jones is more relevant than Nas. Nas Music. Absolutely, absolutely.
SPEAKER_04:What I'm saying is it. I mean, I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let him finish. That's what I want him to finish first, and then I'll just go. So what what I mean by that are you thinking of his last three albums? Yeah, I've I'm I listen to Jim Jones, I listen to Nas, I follow both. That's why I that's why I disagree personally.
SPEAKER_03:So here's why, here, and I know what you're gonna come up with. Oh, I gotta hear this.
SPEAKER_04:The Hit Boy shit, right?
SPEAKER_03:No. Okay, well, a lot of people call investor. Hitboy, Nas did six albums with Hitboy. Yeah, right?
unknown:Fire albums.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. I'm a music guy, right? Yes, you are, and I am going to always stand on the soapbox of good music over everything. I don't care how good you rap, I don't care how prolific and how much of a prophet you can be when you're writing your little poems. If you're not making good music, it means nothing. Now, Nas, he's gonna rap. He's Nas. He's gonna rap well, he's gonna say elite shit when it comes to the rapping. But I'm not listening to these albums and being like, he has some haymakers on there. He didn't. Gotcha. He didn't, he had some great rhymes. He has some incredible, you know, rewind. Oh, what did he say? Oh shit, he said that. Oh, okay, yeah. But he ain't had no if I rule the world. Haymaker. That's why I disagree with you. Hitboy gave Nas access to his entire catalog. They made six good rap albums. Hitboy also gave Hove some production. He made N words in Paris. Hitboy also gave Drake some production. They made Sicko Mode. He and has had access to his entire catalog. They made six good rap albums.
SPEAKER_02:That's a fair comparison.
SPEAKER_04:No, no, to me, no, it's not. Yeah, no, it's not. Sicko mode? I wanted to make sure he landed. He landed. Because one, when you talk about sicko mode, you talk about 2011. That's a completely different beat selection. Okay. And you also have Kanye involved in that too, tweaking those beats, helping that too with Hitboy. Okay. Sicko Mode, I think.
SPEAKER_03:Are you saying that Hitboy can't carry it himself? No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not saying that because when you look at sickle, when you look at sicko mode, amazing beat switch fire, Nas did have that. What stopped Nas was the pandemic. Spicy was a big hit record. Spicy was like that. Spicy? Spicy was bubbling up until the pandemic hit. Okay. And once the pandemic hit. Okay, by watch it. Yeah, the one with the third. Literally, I was having this conversation with my brother.
SPEAKER_03:No, that was the very first king's disease. Was it cabin disease? Yeah, the first king's disease. I was having this very conversation with my brother. And I looked, Rob, you're gonna see this and see what you see what I said. I said, the only song that stands out to me out of those whole six projects is that record. Spicy. That record I could play in the in the whip.
SPEAKER_04:Spicy was the outside song. And it was working.
SPEAKER_02:Car 85.
SPEAKER_04:Car 85 is great. See, Car 85 is a dope album cut. That's not meant to be a single. Understood. Understood. Understood.
SPEAKER_03:Car 85, if you understand New York City from that certain time you're amazing.
SPEAKER_04:It's a great record. But after Spicy, he also has Brunch on Sundays. And just because Brunch on Sundays wasn't the upbeat, upbeat, that one dominated Instagram reels, TikTok. All the girls had that. That's another one. If we were allowed outside, I think Brunch on Sunday with Blast also has a different impact. I'm gonna go back to it.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna go listen to it again. And again, spicy, I'm with you. Mm-hmm. I'm with you because like I said, I had this conversation with my brother about it. And I said, that's that record right there. Could play in the in the outside in the clubs, in the whips. Anywhere. That's a record record.
SPEAKER_04:I'm a Jones fan. So I loved what he did with Harry Fraud when they were stuck in the house together.
SPEAKER_03:Harry, listen. Can we give Harry Fraud his fly?
SPEAKER_04:He don't get his respect that he deserves.
SPEAKER_03:Harry Fraud is incredible.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, he he does a lot of really good work with a lot of different artists from Action Bronx and the French Ronald. He's very versatile. But that album was good. Lobby Boys was eh. It was so so. They tried to make a few remakes of records like Slide and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03:You think you know, you know what I think it is? And there's another thing that I that I that I sand on my showbox about is we we are men of a certain age, don't try to do drill. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:Like don't do drill music, bro. And that's where I have the the disconnect with Jim a little bit. You can make big records without having to go to drill music. Without sacrificing who you are.
SPEAKER_03:You can make trap music, because that's still us, but drill is really for the music.
SPEAKER_04:That's for the kids. That's and you that's really for the kids. Because also, too, you're not doing that anymore. Yeah, you're not spinning blocks. Come on, man. You know you're not, and that's okay. You're not catching hats, you're not spinning blocks. What did Jedekiss say? You live in Miami. Right. Like, come on. Like, come on, we know what it is, but even when you talk this year musically, Jones just dropped this week, and ain't nobody. I know I like that. I like that album. The intro is fine. I'm not saying that the EP was whack. It's not whack. I'm just talking about in terms of movement. Ain't nobody really talk about that. Nobody's moving, though. But see, that's the thing. I think Nas, what Nas has done this year with the mass appeal records that he's dropped, every album, whether it's setting me up for failure right now. Because when you go to the Mob Deep albums, albums is ass cheeks. No, not all of them.
SPEAKER_03:I I just SC2 is fire. Other than Supreme Clientele 2, keep all them albums. Nah, I think that this That Big L shit was a disappointment. That shit was a disappointment. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04:Like, yo, don't touch the shit. That's that was already great. I think with the big L thing, I think that's one for his estate more than anything. Yeah, but don't play, don't, don't, don't, don't play in our face and call it like a new big L album. It works. It's just a money play. Don't be like, oh, we have a new Big L album, guys. Yes and no, because what he was saying to Jones on there, he gave Jones a little pow. Who? Nas. He gave him a little pow powder.
SPEAKER_03:Yo, bro, that all right, that mob, the mob deep album, right? Um, what's this? The the the song that they had with that girl Georgia from UK. Yes. Yeah, Georgia. And Nas Versus so ass.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I'm not a fan of that one either.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not a fan of that one either. One of my main things, I'm a musical kind of guy, which means that I listen to tonality. I want the tonality to set to match the production, the whole mood and vibe. I feel like Nas is tone-deaf. I feel like Nas, he'll jump on somewhere where he's supposed to be nasty, Nas and go like he'll he'll talk like this on a on a smooth ass beat. Give me an example. That that song.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that that was one I didn't, I just don't think that was. But on the other mob beat record, he was fired. I didn't hear that one. I'm gonna be honest. He's on another one, killed that joint. When you look at what he did with clips this year, that song is fire with him and clips. I like the clips album. Yeah, like I like Nas' verse. That song, when you the problem I had with the clips album was the ordering sequencing. When you sequence it differently, that verse. Because it started very heavy too. That first yeah, that's a very heavy song. Very heavy. So when you change the sequencing on that album, that verse and that song hits a little bit differently.
SPEAKER_03:I spoke on that, I spoke on the clips album, and and I and like I'm a Drake fan. Like I make no quarrels about that six guys. Shout out to Drizzy, Champagne, Poppy, Geyser. But you know that that clips album is amazing. Incredible. It's amazing. But caveat to that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Do you think it's for real? Do you think it's taste? Because for me, I I'd rather Joyner's album than the clips album.
SPEAKER_03:Or see, could it be like Joyner, Joyner makes co-worker music, bro? That's funny. Yeah, like gossip. White of a water fountain? Because he makes the music that like Tom McDonald makes. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:Like every everybody got personal like taste and stuff. Joyner not really my company.
SPEAKER_03:He had some records in the beginning where like they were cool.
SPEAKER_04:And he's not whacked.
SPEAKER_03:It's like he he I hate to use this phrase, but if it's he imposes upon himself too much. Look, I am so great. Right, right. Like, shut the fuck up and just rap. Right. Just rap, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Just make some good music and stuff and just rap. I gotcha.
SPEAKER_03:That's like that's how I look at it, man. Like, like, like if you make good music, make good music, Mo. If you really, really love this shit, that you say you love it, and like I I know I love it. It's like really put effort into making music good chef's kiss sonically great music.
SPEAKER_02:So you don't you don't think he makes good music, right? Joyner? Or is it just is it's just not your speed. So to your side.
SPEAKER_03:Joyner has had music that I like, like the song he did with Ashanti. I love that song. I just think like it's like they something about these people that get around M and start trying to think that they're rap gods like him, and they start going to shut the fuck up. But only Royce can do it. And Royce does it in a way that's still fly. Right. Royce does it in a way that it's still I I still fuck with that. He can flip the syllable thing. Yeah, Roy's been doing the bad round. And I think he'll he'll he he he can make some crazy shit. Cause it's not M has incredible catalog, and he but after that, the recovery album, he just became an animaniac.
SPEAKER_04:He just wanna rap. He just wanna put words together.
SPEAKER_03:It just what can what can I get to rhyme with orange? Yeah, like I made a video that's I mean, I mean, I have I have a video that's going viral right now where I'm talking about rappers that rap about rapping. Yes. So you're like, bro, why are you rapping about rapping?
SPEAKER_04:Say something, bro. Who who do you include in that list of rappers just rapping about rapping?
SPEAKER_03:Uh Eminem now. After the recovery album Eminem. Joiners in that, in that, in that yeah, joiner, joiner could be in that list. Um I'm gonna get killed for this. MF Doom is on that, is on that list. I don't disagree with you.
SPEAKER_04:Um Doom is one of those either you love Doom or you hate Doom. There's no it was not for me. I'm not sure. There's no middle ground for Doom. God rest the dead and God bless him. Production is amazing. Yes, 100%. And that's what a lot of people go about. The production, not what he's saying a lot of that. He's never he was never on beat, but whatever. You're not alone. You're not alone with that. I'm here with you. Um man, this is a- I got a I got a name that might be a little. I think J. Cole is like that now. I can see that. J. Cole about nothing no more.
SPEAKER_03:I can see and we don't never want to hear J. Cole rapping about how he could beat somebody in a battle ever again. Again, that's that's not hang that one up. That can never be something in his arsenal. But see ever again.
SPEAKER_04:But see, we we should have known that before when he apologized when he was talking about McLamore. And when he apologized when he was dissing Lil Pump. We should have known he was gonna backtrack him.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know if he apologized to Pump. I think he he more so saw pump as like a little stupid kid.
SPEAKER_04:But but either way, why you going at Lil Pump for you?
SPEAKER_03:You because Pump was going at him. So we're humans, bro. But again, so you know I'm first of all, I'm being a little biased because Pump is Colombian and I'm Colombian, so I'm gonna shoot Lil Pump bail.
SPEAKER_04:Respect. You know what I'm saying? But but yeah, no, no, but I get I get what you're saying. That's one of those is like if you can stand 10 toes for Lil Pump, why you can't stand 10? You punch Kendrick first. Kendrick ain't punched you. You went to some of the little lines in that song that I like that record. We've had the subliminals, but you went to Kendrick Block, you punched him, and it ain't hurt him. And then when it came time for Kendrick to come off the porch to really put Belt to ass, you apologize and you back.
SPEAKER_03:He definitely backed down. That's why we don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear that. I don't want to hear my gun exploded, and I don't want to shoot any rapper that comes up before. Nah, I don't want to hear none of that. Shoot at the little pumps and stuff.
SPEAKER_02:So I guess on that note, we should probably start the podcast. Oh no, we have a studio. That was BTS. Yo! Nah, we was vibing. We had an hour and two minutes in of the podcast. Okay, but we should now introduce it. Man, we've never done this before. So I guess I'll start off. I have to say my name and everything. Is that what we're doing?
SPEAKER_04:You do. You gotta find an introduction that worked for you, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Is it your first time on camera? It's my first time doing this shit, though.
SPEAKER_04:You gotta find an intro that worked for you.
SPEAKER_02:That's like we have the 60 plus. 60 plus the pod. So my goal was to like try to figure out like a 60 minutes type of format. Okay. Mix of like what Theo Vaughn does and like what shits and gigs does. Um, and kind of just put that together. But from the we spoke about it, was it last night or night before? It's gonna go over as you can see on the screen. We're at an hour or two. Yeah, damn. My bad, my bad. I just I know I'm very passionate about music. We here until it's conversation. We're here until whenever. Um so we call it 60 plus, so 60 minutes plus. Okay. We kind of just take it where we take it. So my name is Amir. This is the 60 plus podcast, and we have I go by the name of Mike, aka Soulful Mike. And this is that is our co-host, and now we have the man of the hour and while the artists.
SPEAKER_03:Let's go. Clap it up, clap it up, clap it up, clap it up, clap it up. Yeah, and while the artists feel very, very, very privileged and thankful that you guys have me as the first first guest on your podcast. This is technically a pilot.
SPEAKER_02:Because I wanted to shoot this to kind of just see how we could. And then I thought of Mike, and I was like, it's just gonna be a thing. Okay. Um, just based on the uh conversation so far. And honestly, it's it's open to you as well if you want to come in on third micard. Shit, I'm with that. Um third micard. See, I I don't mind sitting here with the stats and getting the topics and doing that stuff, and you guys chop it up and have conversations. Um so we did the intros. We are gonna do the icebreaker. Well, you're fact. Fun fact. Fun fact of the day. So I was looking at different things, right? So I was trying to like do should we do fun fact of the day, or should we do what happened a hundred years to this day?
SPEAKER_03:Oh interesting. So for this one 1925, right? That would be 1925, my grandmother.
SPEAKER_02:November 9th. So I'm gonna do both. So one of the fun facts that I picked up for today is uh the inventor of the Pringles can, Fred Bauer, was a pro was so proud of his creation when he died in 2008. His family buried his his ashes inside of a Pringle can. So the creator of Pringles passed in 08, and his ashes are inside of a Pringle can.
SPEAKER_03:Did you know that he was trying to he was trying to uh create Pringles for for a very long time, and then he got called into becoming like the Secretary of State or something for the United States, and he had to stop production on the Pringles. And then as he was doing that for two years, the company that he ran completely killed that whole project because they didn't believe in it. And Pringles. Yeah, they didn't believe in it until he finished his term with the president and then came back and then reinstated the project and created Pringles.
SPEAKER_02:That's kind of to show you how life is funny like that. How long was he in? Well, how long was he two years? A lot could happen back then. A lot happened in two years. Yeah. It couldn't have been no Pringles. I mean, the best part is life with no Pringles?
SPEAKER_04:I mean, Pringles aren't chips. They're not chips. Technically, they're not chips. Why are we doing it? If you look on the can, it says it. They got sued. They got sued.
SPEAKER_03:They got sued for calling it a potato chip because they're not chips. Because they because they're not formulated from a potato, it's bits and pieces of a potato made into that shape. So that they can stack up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And now you know. Yeah. Now I know as well. That's that's interesting. Food that built the miracle. So built the miracle. That's right. Hell yeah. Okay, so that was that was that was a little fun fact that we had some elaboration on. And then I found a notable event that happened 100 years ago. So a hundred years ago to the to this day in Nazi Germany. I don't know if now is a good time to bring this kind of year. I look Jewish, so it's right. I don't really care. Um, we gotta stand, we gotta stand with you. So Hitler's private security army was formed a hundred years ago today. His private SS.
SPEAKER_03:The they're called the The SS is the the the Lightning Bolts, right?
SPEAKER_02:Shut the the Schutz Schutzelstaff. Schutzstaffel? Yeah, that's what the Lightning Bolts are. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was officially established in Germany. It began as a small elite security unit whose original job was to protect Adolf Hitler and other top Nazi officials during public events and rallies.
SPEAKER_03:Sounds a lot like the Secret Service service, yeah. The German versions. Secret Service! There you go.
SPEAKER_02:There you go. So it's so it's the same. So so it's funny because they were created to protect Hitler. This was before all the crazy shit happened. Yeah. They were formed to protect the president, the well, we'll call him the the Fuhrer and his officials. But by the end of the war, the SS was directly responsible for some of the most horrific crimes in human history, including the genocide of millions of Jews, Romani people, and other minority groups. Uh after World War II, the Nuremberg trials declared the SS a criminal organization due to his involvement involvement in war crimes and crimes against humanity. So what started as a wild boy as a private security for the for the fewer ended being one of the biggest crime groups in the history of the history of I mean in in in recorded history. Because we we don't know what happened in Gang. Within Genghis Khan though? Genghis Khan happened in Mongolia.
SPEAKER_03:Yo, Genghis Khan killed so many people, it lowered like the immediate crazy.
SPEAKER_04:Because can't you say that like technically the Secret Service and the CIA and the FBI done killed way more people? I don't know about way more people, but they've done some crimes against humanity. I guarantee you that. Against their own people, though. That's the other thing. Against their own. Like there's a lot of different you go to Belgium and what they did to Congo and all them people when they talk about genocide and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, Africa has seen some some of them. Come on. I got the numbers. I got the numbers. Unfortunately.
SPEAKER_02:So Khan's conquests are estimated to have caused the deaths of between 30 to 40 million people. Come on. Although Bro, what? Right? Historians believe the real number could be as high as 60 million people.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. So if the world was 100 million people, Ted Bunny was like a material killer.
SPEAKER_04:He was pulling in pigs and knocking them off. What? Man rolled up on the board. He was looking, bro. We had to get a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a time when he put fried rice and chicken wings like it's nothing.
SPEAKER_02:That's stunning Philadelphia meme.
SPEAKER_00:Like, yo.
SPEAKER_02:The sunny Philadelphia meme, so it just started blasting.
SPEAKER_03:Gangs Khan was crazy, bro. He was he was boy. But look, you think about it like humanity back then was like so savage, bro. Like humanity was like, and it was like, I remember like I heard something about like when uh the Christians would come and like say, like, try to take over, you would smell them before they got there because they were like just so like unbathed, and uh it was just savagery, bro. Uh huh. And like the way that the you know stories tell it, they try to make it seem like a fairy tale. No, no, no, no, no. And it's like, nah, Papito, they was out here like smelling like ball sack.
SPEAKER_04:This is what it is. Yeah, think about it. There's nowhere to take a shower. If you do doing, you doodling in a hole somewhere that's like flowers and shit in like a that's what kept you clean.
SPEAKER_03:Come on, so like yo, imagine imagine you don't shower for like six months, and you say, nah, but I got the flower though.
SPEAKER_04:Like, you know, I got the flower. If I'm not mistaken, that's why in like when the women carry bouquets, back then they used to carry bouquets to hide the smell. Right. So they carry bouquets of bouquet. You know it wasn't like a forest. That shit had pigeons in it. You hold the bouquet to hide the smell because it's an arranged marriage. So, okay, he don't smell bad. And then that's when you get rid of the bouquet. All right, you mine now, nigga. It's all yours. Yeah, all this woof. It's just a plane. Oh, this is woof, it's just a plane. All this woof. All this woof, take it, the dub's flying. Flying and dying.
SPEAKER_03:Oh shit. Now that's scary. That's a fact, though. Oh man.
SPEAKER_02:I like that one. Nah. Alright. So the wolf. The wolf. Nah, that's the wolf, bro. Or talk. About a woof. Let's woof these rapid fire questions. Ooh, okay. I'm trying to be I'm trying to think of segues. I don't know. I don't know if I can know, right? It'll happen, it'll happen. It'll happen naturally. Just just keep going. Go ahead. I'm just here for the shirts of it. I'll be honest with you. Nah, we can get it. We're just free, so might as well just do it. We got you.
SPEAKER_04:We got you. We're gonna get it. We're gonna get it, baby.
SPEAKER_02:Rapid fire. You picked, I think I told you 12 questions? 12 numbers? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you have it as well? Yeah, I'm about to look right now. You're about to look it up. So I'm gonna do like the first couple. Would you rather universal health care or private healthcare freedom?
SPEAKER_03:Explain private healthcare freedom.
SPEAKER_02:Private healthcare is what the US currently has. Well we have now. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:All right, so you pay for your healthcare versus universal healthcare.
SPEAKER_02:And the more money you have. That's like the only right answer, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's the only right answer.
SPEAKER_02:It depends on who you ask for.
SPEAKER_03:Every other developed country in the world has universal healthcare.
SPEAKER_02:That is true. NHS and the UK. And it works. Yeah. I know Canada might push back on that, but Canada.
SPEAKER_03:They also call Toronto the hood. Let's keep fucking. Have you been to gone up there? Shout out to Drake, by the way. Have you gone up there? Yeah. I used to go, I used to be, I used to go to um, I used to go to the Job Corps in in uh this place called Iroquois, which is like literally like Buffalo and shit like that. So we used to go every weekend, we used to cross over and go to Toronto and all that. Yeah. And I was at 21 at the time, and the drinking age in Canada is like 19. Oh, so you live there. You live there, yeah. You live there.
SPEAKER_02:Do you have the numbers as well? Yeah. Okay, so you just you'll do the next one.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we'll we'll just all right. Number 12, you picked. You say, would you rather never vote again or be forced to vote for the majority choice?
SPEAKER_03:I never voted in my life, so no, I'm lying. I voted for Obama twice, but other than that. There you go. Hey. All right.
SPEAKER_04:We'll take it. So which one would you pick? Never vote. Never vote again. Never vote again. All right, that's an easy one.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so the third one you chose. Would you rather live to be a hundred in poverty or die at 40 in wealth? Die at 40 with wealth.
SPEAKER_03:Because it's not just about me. If I got wealth, my my kids are gonna eat, my kids' kids is gonna eat. If I die a hundred in poverty, who's eating? They're gonna have to come and then scrape for for my my my This is a hundred years wasted. Yeah, like you was a hundred year bum. Nobody, if you was a hundred year old bum, you need to go to hell. I don't give a fuck how religious you was. Like, what happened? Yo, bro, what you do? Really?
SPEAKER_04:I gave you a hundred years. You can do shit.
SPEAKER_02:You know what's funny about that? I've I've heard people talk about like you you see poor white people today. It's like, how do you blow a 400-year head start? No, seriously.
SPEAKER_03:That's a fact, though. Seriously, that's a fact. The biggest advantage out of everybody.
SPEAKER_02:Not it.
SPEAKER_03:They had a 400-year head start.
SPEAKER_02:And I heard it. I was like, how do you blow a 400-year head start?
SPEAKER_04:It's true. That's a fact. It's a fact. Alright, next one. Emotional cheating or physical cheating, which one is worse? Emotional or physical cheating?
SPEAKER_03:Bro, you can't emotionally put your dick in my girl's mouth, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like with the how do you emotionally put your you know what I'm saying? You can't emotionally shoot the club up. You can't. What the fuck is that? Yo, if you're emotionally cheating and I just put dick in her, come back, bro.
SPEAKER_00:Yo, bro, tell them all the niggas and the fuck is you talking about? Hey.
SPEAKER_04:All right, so look, in that vein, a partner who works all the time or a partner who earns less but always around. As a man earns less and always around. You gotta cook. You know what? For family.
SPEAKER_02:I'm thinking of family taking food seriously, bro. I'm gonna do the next one. Would you rather find out your partner cheated years ago or never know, but live happily ever after?
SPEAKER_03:Would you do I wanna find out if my partner cheated years ago or never know?
SPEAKER_04:Or do you want to be like Marian Wanins and I don't want to know? I don't wanna know.
SPEAKER_03:I wanna know. Why the fuck I wanna know for? Keep that shit to yourself.
SPEAKER_04:It happened already, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like what the fuck I wanna know for? Like, we're gonna fuck up. Oh, by the way, honey, 35 years ago when we was we little lads, I I I don't care. Why the fuck are you even giving me this information?
SPEAKER_04:I think the only way that changes is if she had a kid. Okay, if the kid ain't mine, then we don't have a conversation. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02:That's a different story. We throw in context in there. That's a big different story. I feel some kind of way in the middle of the day.
SPEAKER_03:If the kid ain't mine, I need to know that because I'm probably paying for this kid that ain't even mine. But he said, uh, I just wanted to go to that man in Martin. You know, you ain't my kid, man.
SPEAKER_02:You fucked the mailman one day and I was like uh with Captain Williams and the white the white kid. Right.
SPEAKER_03:That means one line after the other bitch.
SPEAKER_00:Oh listen, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Oh man. So then would you rather be the one who cheats or the one who gets cheated on?
SPEAKER_03:Who what kind of cuck questions is these, bro? It gets better, it's getting better. Every single time I'm gonna be cheating every time. That's just the way of life, though. Come on. I'm sorry, I don't want to get canceled before even my career starts. But let me do the next one.
SPEAKER_02:It's 42, right? Yep. Would you rather be truly understood by one person or liked by everyone? Truly understood by one person. And that means the most. 100%.
SPEAKER_03:That means everything. I don't give a fuck if everybody likes me. If one person really knows me and truly understands me and fucks with me for who I am, that's everything. That's that's the world in the palm of my hand right there, yo.
SPEAKER_02:You know who that reminded me of? Uh Kanye and his mom. That that's what that question reminded me of. After watching the was it Yeezys? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The doctor did on Netflix.
SPEAKER_02:When I when I saw that question, I was like, That's it. He started losing his mind after that. He completely went to, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Because she was there. Like you could tell that she she knew that her son was eccentric. The tadpication.
SPEAKER_02:She knew how to bring him back and give him just enough.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she knew she knew how to keep that balance.
SPEAKER_04:She knew how to reel him in.
SPEAKER_02:So you gotta do an example.
SPEAKER_04:It says, Would you rather change one decision from your past or see one event in your future? See one event in my future. My past made who me who I am.
SPEAKER_02:What if that one event is your death? Okay, cool, cool. Because once you spoke about that, I was like, that's that's an interesting question to ask people. Because it could be anything in the future. That's fine.
SPEAKER_04:Uh would you rather have all the answers or ask all the right questions?
SPEAKER_03:I don't want the answers. I want to ask the right questions. I want to learn, I want to, I want to be on a journey. Because if you have all the answers, the shit could get boring. Uh huh.
SPEAKER_04:Discovery is always boring. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The journey is everything. And the the the the with the destination is the destination. The journey is what's fun, bro.
SPEAKER_04:I'm with you.
SPEAKER_02:Actually, I wanna I want to switch around the last one. Okay. Would you rather spend a day with your younger self or your older self? So let's let's let's let's take that and let's do like a 10-year gap.
SPEAKER_03:So we go back 10 or we go up 10. In the trajectory that I am today, I want to take, I want to spend time with my my future self. Because my younger self made a lot of stupid ass mistakes, but it also made me who I am. So I don't want to be like, yo, come here, son, you know, you gotta do this, that, and that. What's happening? But the person that I I feel like I'm becoming, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna see that. I wanna and then I want to get gems from that too. Right. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:Right. To see what stuff you can get from your future self that you're not even thinking about at this moment.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. I'm with you. When I when I when in life, how I maneuver is like how would the future me deal with the situation? Right. Because I feel like the future me is like a best of the best version of who I am. Right. So I try to do that.
SPEAKER_02:A lot. I mean, we we would we would hope that the future us is the best version.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I think we have a good grasp whether or not, because if you're just a derelict doing derelict shit, you kind of know where you get and where you're going. If you're actively trying to be somebody, yeah, but if you're actively really trying to be somebody and doing doing the right things, you know you're making the right decision and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_02:No, I agree. Damn. That's true. All right. Oh man. That was some that was uh that was pretty much it. So that that's we're still trying to tweak the the um the the questions.
SPEAKER_03:No, but those were great questions, just yeah, it was very cuckery in the beginning, but but it's fine.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, you know, cooks gotta have a voice too. They gotta have a voice too. Everybody got a voice. It's it's a tweak, it you know, it's it's still a work in progress. So we did all that okay. So we go into the main part of conversation now.
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04:So this this is where you where you have like if you got a sponsorship part, you'd be like, this pr this uh section of the show is presented by BetterHelp. He already manifested in BetterHelp. Yeah, and then you hit up Sharlam and he got the connect. Then go into this is where we go into the questions that he selected. So we go into the the questions that he picked right now.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, we do have to figure out a transition for that because Well not, you know, call it something, just uh you know what it doesn't matter, it's a podcast. We really should.
SPEAKER_04:No, it's not that no shit. If you if you call it something, this is the human segment. This is the human segment of the show. Humans being humans. Yeah, this is the part where we're getting to know him personally right now with these questions. So we can just call this the human segment presented by BetterHelp. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.
SPEAKER_02:Then you go to your questions. Everything Mike just said. Shout out to BetterHelp. So we asked him, I'll just I'll just preface it like that. So we asked him to pick 10 questions, and um, we're gonna ask those, and then we're gonna have conversations about topics that remind us that we're human beings. Yeah. So, like one of my favorite sayings that I don't know if people say it, but I think I made it up, but I'm not sure because we always think we made something up until you hear it.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, Athan Wells.
SPEAKER_02:Well, they say nothing's new under the sun.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, no ideas original.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no idea is original. So one of the things I've been saying for a long time is that emotions remind us that we are human beings. So maybe that's just me that that's maybe that's just my thing, and I probably hit like a really weird luck on that. So, from the questions you pick, we'll go with the first one. Um What's a childhood memory that still shapes how you see the world today?
SPEAKER_03:I thought about this very long and hard because there's so many different things that I went through in my early childhood. But one of the main things is a story. So I was like six years old, right? And I was living in Jackson Heights, Queens. And at that time, Jackson Heights, Queens was like What high school did you go to? That's a whole nother story. I got kicked out of every high school in Queens I ended up. Oh shit! Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that'll be the zone school to anybody that lives in Jackson Heights. Like Corona. Yeah, yeah, Corona, Jackson Heights, Woodside. Well, so Woodside would be Bryant. But so I grew up in Jackson Heights in the time where the Columbia Mafia ran everything. Right? And especially where I was raised, which is 90th Street and 37th Avenue, they called it the jungle, where that's where Griselda had like the most activity stronghold in that one in that just everything. It was just you narcos type shit.
SPEAKER_02:My question for I guess just for me on this one, how far off of Roosevelt Avenue area?
SPEAKER_03:That's literally 37th Avenue next block is Roosey.
SPEAKER_02:You said 90th?
SPEAKER_03:90th and 37th.
SPEAKER_02:Because I lived on 30, on 74.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, you were over there with the with the Bengali's and all that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, with the NE.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Nah, I was over there with the Colombians.
SPEAKER_02:Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER_03:Um, but yeah, 37th Avenue, and then the next block over is Roosevelt Avenue. So it's right there. So at that time, that activity was happening. And it was very, very serious, and it was just a very serious time. Anyway, at that time I was a kid though, six years old. I think everything is rainbows and cotton candy and shit. I just want to wake up, watch my my cartoons, and that's it. That's it. So one day, it was like a Sunday night or some shit like that. And my my bedroom window faced the main avenue, the 37th Avenue, and right across the street was a bar called J.I. Counters. I talk about this in I have an album called Motion City. The last song is called J.I. Counters, where I kind of tell the story. And there was there was a big party happening in the in that bar. Right? Mind you, I'm six years old. I'm up way later than I'm supposed to be up. I've always been like a night owl all my life, so I've always had trouble sleeping. So you can hear everything that's happening across the street, the party, the music, all that. And it's like two, three in the morning, and out of nowhere you just start hearing machine gun fire, glass breaking, people screaming, true terror in people's in voices, and my mom coming in from the next room, grabbing me, throwing me on the floor, like like draping herself over me. I don't know what's happening. I'm six years old. Again, everything was cotton candy and rainbows to that point. You know what I'm saying? And then the next day, this because this happened like three, four in the morning. I go to school at like eight in the morning, so not too much time has passed. I used to get picked up by the by the yellow bus, right? To go to school. Because my mom used to used to work in the morning and all that, so like I had a uh a bus picking me up. So I got in the bus. The bus used to turn on to the main avenue. And on that, when the bus turned that the next morning, there was four bodies with they still had the white sheets. They used to put the white sheets over the bodies. And I got I saw that, and that changed everything for my life. Because I didn't know that people were even capable of evil or harming other people. You know what I'm saying? And that just totally like skewed my entire reality. Like, wow, that could happen to me. I can I can be under that sheet. I could have been under that sheet if a bullet would have fly the wrong direction.
SPEAKER_02:At six years old, to have a realization like that, the wrong, the wrong ricochet, the wrong rich. Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I mean? And it wasn't just like a 38, it was machine gun fire because it was two cartels. There was two cartels going going at each other. Right. Right. So it was like real like cartel shit happening. So like that day, everything changed. Like my whole my whole skew on reality changed. So do you see that day as like your loss of innocence?
SPEAKER_04:Whereas like this is what the real world is.
SPEAKER_03:Loss of innocence in the sense of that I felt fear from other people. Before I would be scared of the dark. Right, right. Or you know what I mean? So yeah, little kids. Little kid things. I never was scared of other people doing harm to me. Right. I just thought people were people, and everybody was like my mom, and everybody was nice, and my family, because I come from a huge family. So my family was just like everything was love. You know, and everybody lived in the building that I was in, so we all was like love.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_03:You know? That changed everything. Like, oh nah, oh, so people could do harm to me. And that should just change like my whole perception of life. And then I became paranoid, super paranoid kid, thinking that thing, you know, shit could happen to me. You never know. Come on, a six-year-old, that's not supposed to be that. Six-year-old, I got a niece right now that's like five, six years old. I could never imagine her being scared of something like that. I would never want that for her.
SPEAKER_02:You know what's you know what's funny about this? Is that people have this notion that PTSD is only war inflicted? But we we tend to forget that life is war, bro. That that human that living life gives can give you PTSD that is not like war-related. So your experience is an example. An example of. Have you ever like talked to someone about it? Or have you ever tried to oh it's just one of those things where like you at this point in life you have an understanding of that was.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I went through so much, like, like, I that could could been a catalyst of all the things that I've been through in my life. Because I've been through bro, like I said, like you said, Newtown. I was I was I got kicked out of every school in Queens and I got ended up I ended up getting sent to too fat Joe.
SPEAKER_01:Did you hold up the whole thing?
SPEAKER_03:Nah, nah, nah, like I was a wild kid though. I was I was gangbanging and all that all that kind of stuff, and like I ended up getting sent up to a school up upstate. Right. And like like living there. Living there, yeah. It was called the Summit School, and I had to live there, and I lived there for like three years. Yeah. Because I was just wilding out. But that was that my my entire adolescence, who I am today is definitely not the same human being that I was then. Right. Because my entire adolescence, I was just a bull in a china shop. I didn't care about anything structure. I was a special ed when I was in school. Not not the not the slow special ed. No, no, I know what you mean. It's called Miz 2. I know. I know. It's called Ms. Two. Ms. Two is the the behavioral um special ed. And I was the baddest kid in that class. Right. I was the I was the wildest one in that class. And then they were like, well, if you don't shape up, we're gonna send you the size seven. I'm like, what the fuck is size seven? And that's like a whole nother level of badness. And I got I got it's just yeah, so I was wild, I was a wild kid. But maybe that could have been the catalyst.
SPEAKER_02:Could have been the catalyst. So it's so it's it's funny how you pick the the questions that you did. Um, because the second one kind of flows into the moment we just asked you. Okay. The second one is what's something you've unlearned as an adult once you believed that you once believed was true. So I'll ask the question again. What's something you've unlearned as an adult that you once believed was true?
SPEAKER_03:Uh we're taught that hard work is going to make us successful. It doesn't. And that's the biggest crock of shit. It's connections. Because that's just they're just trying to uh make you into another cog in the machine.
SPEAKER_02:Was it Rockefeller that implemented the the whole thing?
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy. If that was if Rockefeller said that, that's fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Hold on, hold on. Let me ask. One of those guys actually impl implemented the the work week, and that's why shit is how it is. Henry Ford? Was it Henry Ford?
SPEAKER_04:Henry Ford is the five-day work week. I know that for a fact. But I I know the case. But that don't make sense.
SPEAKER_03:Whoever whoever implemented just the the thought process of hard work makes you successful because we nah bro we see it all the time with our parents.
SPEAKER_04:Our parents work hard. I come from immigrant parents, so trust me. They work hard.
SPEAKER_02:It was Henry Ford who implemented the 40-hour work week uh work week in 1926. Yeah, a year after the SS was created. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Are they related? I don't really know. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But no, I feel like that thought is like I said, it's like it makes you it's tricking you into becoming the cog in a machine. You know, just if you work really hard for 25 years, you'll get a Rolex. Get the fuck out of here. It's really, I think it's moving in purpose and and and having smarts about you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And and and really just understanding what you want to do, and then learning about how you do it, and then moving, I hate to say in this way because this shit is meant corny, but working smarter, not harder.
SPEAKER_04:That's not corny. You know, but you know, it's cliche to say it may be cliche, but that's not corny. That's very important.
SPEAKER_02:Entertainment world kind of it's who you know as well. 100%. Yeah, so the world during the period. Yeah, it's who you know. It's who you know.
SPEAKER_03:If I knew Henry Ford, I wasn't working a 40-hour world. Exactly. It wasn't happening. It wasn't happening, it was not gonna happen. I was gonna work three hours every day, and I was gonna make you know make a month's pay. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's I think that's very important. That that's yeah, nah, you gotta work smarter.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, work smarter, not harder, bro.
SPEAKER_02:A good example of this. I was talking to uh some people in Soho studio today, and um a good example of that is going to trade school instead of going to college.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, you work hard at trade school, though.
SPEAKER_02:You work hard, but learning it's smarter.
SPEAKER_04:Those are the new those are new millions. You can take it with you for life, no matter where you go, no matter where you can spend that to your children, you can pass it on, and you can always find work. That's why plumbers always work, HVAC, electricians. Yeah, no matter what happens, they always find it.
SPEAKER_03:Especially nowadays, where those those trades are actually becoming even more important, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Electrician, electrician especially. And then what do you do work-wise right now? I work in finance. Finance is another one. That's another one. Yeah, finance is another one. But to it's funny now to throw it into an example of all of us here. Mike is in a course right now for cybersecurity. Nice. You're gonna need that, I'm saying even more than that. He's in cybersecurity. I'm in med school right now. Nice, so that's demanding. So medical assistance, which is medicine and administration work that you learn. So I'm in January, like I go to internship, so they place us at nice or wherever, and then we start billing. So, like, working smarter.
SPEAKER_03:The way I got into finance is even the same, like, smarter. Because kid in the streets, right? I was outside. Right. I had my boy that that worked somewhere in Long Island, he was like, Yo, though, you got the gift to Gab. Come to my job, I'm telling you. Right. I'm like, what is what do you mean your job? He was doing mortgages. And mortgages, this is before the the housing crisis. How it was happening. And this is like when they was doing that, they was making like stupid money doing that shit. And I got to the I got to the spot, and this this guy, he's a Persian Jewish man. His name is Bobby Talas. Never forget him in my life. He he took, he's like, he's like, I I already hear you on the phone. You're you're you're you're a smart guy. Come here. He sat me down. He's like, I'm gonna ask you two questions. And if you ask answer these two questions right, you can stay. If you don't, go fuck your mother. So he goes, question one, do you like money? I said, absolutely I like money. He's like, question two, you like pussy? I said, absolutely. He's like, you get on that phone, you'll get both. Come on, get out of my office. So I started doing mortgages, uh-huh, which is a part of finance, right? And I started learning about the mortgage market and learning about adjustable rate mortgages and the fixed rate mortgages and the FHA and this, that, and the third. And then that transitioned into me doing what I do today for nine to five, which is uh doing unsecured uh business loans. And I work in that field. I've been doing that for since like 2014. Do you think AI is gonna replace that? I hope not. I need to make money, right? I don't think so. Because AI is a salesman. I mean, salesmen, we we we especially in in finance sales, there's a lot of emotion that goes into it. So until AI can really tap into emotion in a way that humans can, it's not I don't think it could be. I don't think AI is gonna replace everything. No, not everything, but a lot of it. Yeah, but Gary V says something brilliant. Do you know that when electricity first came, became available to homes, people thought that there were demons inside of those bulbs? Yep.
SPEAKER_02:Get out of here.
SPEAKER_03:People thought it was demons running inside of those bulbs.
SPEAKER_04:Um I mean, think about it. It's 1870. Yeah, someone flipped the switch and their whole house flip.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. He said the word medicine, they would burn you at the stairs.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so he's saying that basically it's the same thing with AI. It's like, oh my god, they're gonna come the evil AI. It's like, nah, bro, you're just gonna have to adapt. You have to adapt. Right. You're gonna have to adapt to it. But it's gonna come, right? It's here. Whether you want to or not, it's here. You're calling it the title wave of AI. It's gonna be a good thing. I use AI every day. Uh-huh. I use AI in my in in how I make music, and I use AI and how I how I create content, and I and I use AI in my everyday uh work, whether it's to write emails or whatever. Yeah, saying I use AI for for med school.
SPEAKER_04:But think about it, every student does. That's why teaching eventually, you're not gonna need people to teach.
SPEAKER_03:If you could prompt AI the right way, that's an what right now, right now, if you become a really proficient prompt engineer, it's like learning code in the 80s. Yep. Yep. And you are ahead of the curve of everybody else. I've taken prompt engineering courses, which is why I'm really good at certain things when it comes to AI. It's bro, if you really, if you're a good communicator, the communicators are gonna be the ones that are gonna really go crazy when it comes to AI. Because that's what prompt engineering is. Yep. Prompt engineering is learning, is knowing how to communicate in a very clear and concise and concise way.
SPEAKER_04:Clear and concise, yes, sir. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_03:That's what prompt engineering is. Yeah, yeah, bro. Very good. That's all fucking uh prompt engineering is, bro. It's like a genie. It is not how the genie says, well, you you you you you my wit your wishes might come out, but you gotta make sure that your wish is very clear.
SPEAKER_04:Uh huh. You can't say I want to go to a basketball game because it would take any basketball game.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you gotta be like 125th Street Election to the game.
SPEAKER_04:You're indictment somewhere watching a game. Yeah, you know what I mean. But you should have said, I want to go to the Nick game on this.
SPEAKER_03:What if what if genies, the the the the tale of the genie was kind of like a foreshadowing of AI?
SPEAKER_04:Hmm. Explain. Because, like he was saying, when you talk to a genie, you have to be specific in what you to get the most out of the witch.
SPEAKER_02:Like Shenron from Dragon Ball Z. Right. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Because with AI, you have to be very, very, very specific and clear on what you wanted to do in order to get the right result. Yeah, the desired result. So what if that, wow, what if what if that that's so that it's a part, no, no, it's that remember, Hollywood tells us everything beforehand.
SPEAKER_04:Exactly. Hollywood tells us what it's gonna be beforehand. So you 100% right on that one. I don't disagree with you. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Uh-huh. Because I I had this thought and I said it to my my my to uh I just I talked to Jad JBT like he's my best friend. And he was like, You're spot on, Papa. It's like exactly what I'm know what you talk about. You know what you talk about. That's exactly what I am. Uh-huh. He's like, I am a genie. He's like, I'm a genie. Just gotta make sure that you tell me the right things in the right way and to get the right results.
SPEAKER_04:Like, think about when you talk to Siri. If you're not specific with Siri, you're gonna end up in one place. And you're like, no, Siri, that's not what I wanted. I'm not trying to call mom.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, but you know what's funny about that? That could actually teach you, if you're in law, to teach you to be a good lawyer. Because in law, you have to be very precise with everything you do. Everything has to be exactly literal, everything has to be. Because there's there's there's precedents for everything. Because I'm in medical law right now of the course. There's no assumptions. Yep. You cannot assume anything.
SPEAKER_04:Either it's this or it's not. Yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's it. And yeah. What's something small that brings you joy?
SPEAKER_03:Family time. Nice. Just knowing that my mom's there and I could just call her and just, you know, I mean, it's not small, but it is small in a way that's small. No, no, it's small. You know what I mean? I know it's small things. Like, I could just call my mom. Like, and now that I'm getting older and she's getting older, you appreciate it. It's like, what? I appreciate that so much. Like, yeah, you know, I could just call my mom. Hey, what's up, mom? What you doing? My mom sends me a video every morning. Yeah, my mom, bro. My mom gets my mom gets upset if I don't answer every single meme that she sends me. Uh-huh. I send you memes all day and you don't even respond to one of them. I'm trying to make better. I get it, bro. You find shit hilarious. But I'm working.
SPEAKER_04:I promise I'll later.
SPEAKER_03:But nah, just having that, you know, being able to call my brother, my sister, and like, you know, my pops, and like just knowing that everybody's still there. And because, you know, shit, life is fickle, you know. Things can change.
SPEAKER_02:Very fickle.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, things could change.
SPEAKER_04:Because, like you said, when you started off, you said your whole building almost was like your family. Yeah. But you had a lot of your family members just right around you all the time.
SPEAKER_03:My whole family, like, I but like my I lived in the third floor of the building, and and and in the prime of of us, every apartment was occupied by somebody in my family on the third floor. You see what I'm saying? So, like during Thanksgiving's and all that, every apartment door was open. And we go, every kitchen was kitchen, every kitchen was cooking, and we in the hallway just chilling. My grandmother on my mother's side had 19 children. Who had the bay blades? Jesus. Yo, everybody had the black black. We was playing playing with the Beyblades. We was playing spades. We was doing all that. We were playing soccer. Think about it. 19 children. Each one of those children had like three kids. So it was like a whole bunch of cousins.
SPEAKER_04:Everybody intermingling with each other.
SPEAKER_03:Just like 40 people, just yo, bro. Just like, yo, it was crazy. It was a unit. And then my uncle was the super of the building. You see what I'm saying? It's like everybody is in conjunction with everybody. It was time, bro. It was a time, bro. It was a rich. Even though like shit like that happened in that story, my childhood was like, it was rich, man, because I really had that. I really had that, like, you got values. Core values from the from the junk. My family not playing with none of that. Like you act stupid, or nah. I had just as much permission to smack the shit out of me as my mom's did, bro. And she tell your mom.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, because you was doing the da-da-da. You wouldn't do the same. 100%. And then guess what? Your mom is gonna smack. And then she smacked shit out of you right after.
SPEAKER_03:100%. That's you know, but it was beautiful because it's like you got that family, like it was the village. Yes. Yeah, it was the village. It was the village.
SPEAKER_04:It takes a village to raise a child, that's what it was. What's something that you were afraid of or fear that you had that you overcame? Isolation. So, what do you mean by isolation?
SPEAKER_03:Growing up, since I had such a big family, so I was always around somebody. There was always people around me, people that loved me, people that cared for me. I took that into, you know, being in, you know, situations with friends and having a big friend group and just, you know, being in the mix and you know, and and always around. Always around, just yeah, just being constantly stimulated, and you know, oh man, I gotta be in the mix. Oh, what's going on today? Yo, what's the word? What's the word? What's the move? What da da da? It took for me to, you know, expect certain things in life to happen to really appreciate isolation and just being by myself with my thoughts.
SPEAKER_02:And really important. Yeah. Someone said, I don't know if it's Gary V. Gary V is always saying that he's the man.
SPEAKER_03:He is. Shout out to Gary Vee. But it's okay to be bored. Fucking hell yeah, bro. We should teach our women that. It's okay to be bored. I say nothing.
SPEAKER_02:I might agree with him, but I say nothing.
SPEAKER_03:It's okay to be bored, bro. It's okay to be bored, bro. It's okay to be bored, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I think it's an Instagram post. This lady, she she has the timer in front of her, 30 minutes, and she sits with her back to the wall.
SPEAKER_03:I've been seeing that on TikTok.
SPEAKER_02:And she has a camera up and she just sits there. And maybe she might lay upside down. It raw dog life like that. I think I think that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's raw dog in the life.
SPEAKER_04:He was like raw dog in the flight.
SPEAKER_03:Like, yo, I'm gonna sit in this five-hour flight with no. I'm just looking at the back of somebody else's chair.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's funny because I it it's weird because I kind of do that now on the train. I don't listen to anything. My phone stays in my pocket. I kind of try to stay present on the train. Damn. Yeah. Respect, my brother partner left. Wow. Yeah. It's all good. Like I try I did it on the way up here. It's something I'm trying to do more of. It's it's funny, I it just came back to me. Headphones are out, phone is in my pocket. I just I just try to just be so much stimulation on the train.
SPEAKER_03:I get overstimulated.
SPEAKER_02:I get overstimulated easily. So like I almost had it like crazy guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The panicky thing is we almost was like kind of there. But like you just gotta we're so stimulated all the time by electronics and and music and the phone and this. I'm thinking about training more. Can I say something, bro?
SPEAKER_03:Is that your flavor of autism? Nah, yeah, I think so. New York City. I don't give a fuck what nobody says. New York City doesn't have a crime problem. New York City has a major mental health issue that nobody wants to address. Because if you really look at the people that are committing these crimes on the train, you're crazy people, bro. I'm trying to target this on most of the time. So we I always say this, like, yo, I could be on the train, and if ten thugs, ten bloods get on the train, I'm fine, chilling.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't care.
SPEAKER_03:But if one crazy person, I'm on, I'm I'm on, I'm on edge.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I'm grabbing my knife, yeah, I'm ready.
SPEAKER_04:Like, see, I don't sit on the edge.
SPEAKER_02:It's funny you say that. I saw a video where women are talking about moving through New York City at night. The trains, they're like, you have to act crazy. Yeah. So people feel like you want to know what people leave you alone. Some people leave you alone.
SPEAKER_03:That's funny. It's what it is. And I always said that, like, bro, the 10 gang members, 10 thugs get on the train. I'm shit, I'm good, bro. I know I'm one of them, bro. I know, I know, but let one crazy one or two of them, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, bro. I'm not that I'm I don't fuck around, get off that train, bro. I'm not doing it.
SPEAKER_02:That's what we're also afraid of is the unknown.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because they are they are the abyss.
SPEAKER_04:We know what they can do. That's the point. When the unknown becomes known, oh no, wait a minute. We weren't supposed to know what you can do. If Mike Tyson couldn't knock out a crackhead, Mike Tyson and his brain video, bro. I can stab him in his eye. And nothing's gonna be like, thank you. Can I have another one? Nothing's gonna happen. I did it. Have you seen the crackhead just not touch the floor? Just that alone, the dope feet lean. That is literally with dope things.
SPEAKER_03:Dope fiends are fine, they're docile, bro. They you know they they just they just want to chill and just be like two of the degree, two of the degree, but a K2. Oh, that you didn't think two feet and a meph feed. No, that's different. That's different, bro. The old school crackheads are cool because those fix your car for five dollars and a cheese bag.
SPEAKER_04:They'll fix the TV for you. The TV will work perfectly for$5 and read those don't do nothing but dance.
SPEAKER_03:No, no, no, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:That's all they do is take another East Out Crackhead. He had four pieces ready to go.
SPEAKER_01:East Pickett, East Out Crackhead. Come on, didn't Joe Budden send a rest of peace to this guy? Yeah, that's what you're talking about. Yeah, East Side Crackhead.
SPEAKER_03:He used to be outside the strip club. Yeah, rapping. The same verse. Same verse. He got a deal. He had a deal at one point. I gotta give him a deal. It was a crackhead. He's gonna do what crackhead does.
SPEAKER_04:But now with life, though. When you were talking about isolation too, I think another point is people don't like themselves. So when you're in isolation, it's just you. Yep. And sometimes a lot of people don't like what they see in the mirror and they don't like the person that they are.
SPEAKER_02:And social media has made it 10 times. Mm-hmm. It magnifies it. Social media is I I've I I've it's it's hit me like some time ago, but social media is one of the biggest downfalls of, I want to say magnifies.
SPEAKER_03:It is, though. It is, it is.
SPEAKER_02:But we know we know we are cognizant of it, but social media is one of the biggest downfalls.
SPEAKER_03:In 50 to 100 years, there's going to be think pieces about social media, documentaries about social media, and how detrimental it was to humanity, bro. I'm telling you, like, it's gonna it's gonna happen. Right now, we're in the in the thick of it, so we need it. Yeah, we need it, bro. Unfortunately, it's just what it is. We need it. If we're we're in the entertainment space and we're in this space, we have no choice. We need it.
SPEAKER_04:You have no choice. Because it does make the world smaller. Social media does make the world smaller. That's the only thing.
SPEAKER_03:It makes your your your self-worth smaller too.
SPEAKER_04:Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:You post sign and you won't get like the engagement that you think you deserve on it. That should be a good idea.
SPEAKER_02:TikTok actually, TikTok actually actually did that to us. Because TikTok's algorithm is unlike anything else we have. So TikTok is you use the right hashtags, and let's say it's a good day for the algorithm, and you have 10 followers, that one video could have 500 views and four comments. The next day you'll see 600 views and let's say five comments. Now you go from 10 followers to 25 followers. You're like, that stimulation is the dopamine. And then the day after, it's like better. And then the next day, you're gonna have 40 views. Yep. Then you're gonna have 10 views, then you're gonna have 40 views, then you're gonna have a hundred views. And you keep trying to get the biggest thing. And then you're gonna go crazy trying to get back to that.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, there's a way to manipulate that nowadays. If you really understand the algorithms and you in in and you know, if you really know what you're doing when it comes to like understanding what the algorithm wants, because although algorithm wants is again back to AI, clarity. If the if you give the algorithm clarity on who you're speaking to, what the what audience you want to tap into, and you use the right key SEO keywording within your captions and all that shit, the algorithm will serve you to the right people. And if the piece of content is engaging enough, it'll it'll always I've been going viral. This year, every month I've gone viral at least, at least once on on Instagram.
SPEAKER_02:I've seen your yeah, I've seen your viewers.
SPEAKER_03:And on TikTok too, I've gone viral smad times too, but I focus more on Instagram because now I understand what it takes. But who I'm talking to, what I'm what I'm saying, right, what uh how how I have what I gotta work.
SPEAKER_04:This is what my audience is, this is what they're looking for. Yeah, and this is how I can get it to get out of my audience to fulfill them, but also fulfill the needs of other people.
SPEAKER_03:Now, recently, my last few posts have gone outside the US. I've never seen that before. Right. Now I'm I'm getting people from India hip hop in my shit.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's dope.
SPEAKER_03:Like from Portugal hip-hop, Brazil hip hop. Oh shit. And I'm getting like the big, like, I'm getting people from India that have like two million followers that are huge hip-hop artists in India, right? Reposting my shit. Right. And I'm like, and I look at his page, I'm like, this guy has two million followers. And he's like, wait a minute, Indian hip-hop artists. Right. Yeah, new way.
SPEAKER_02:What just happened to the other 50% of the globe, which is India-China? Yeah, I'm like, oh shit, this is crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it's all because of isolation. But going back to that, the isolation part, I wouldn't be able to learn what I know now if it wasn't for isolation.
SPEAKER_04:Being able to sit down and really learn and really diving in and be within learning, yes.
SPEAKER_02:So that's actually a double question. Like the first and the the third one we did. So this one, I'm guessing this is what you're currently healing and working on.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Is that is that so isolation? Is that what you're currently? No. Would you would you come would you say that? So or is that something?
SPEAKER_03:What I'm currently healing has been a big process. I went through I went through chemotherapy and intense heartbreak. I remember I remember I remember you spoke about it. Yeah, yeah. I remember you spoke about it. At the same time on the same day, basically. You know, like I'll tell you a story. So I got diagnosed with metatastic cancer in like 2022. And I was in a relationship with someone that I loved with every fiber of my existence. I thought this person was my person. This was the person that I was gonna die with, right? But the relationship itself was toxic, you know? And we went through a lot of it, it was a very toxic. So the day before I was gonna start my aggressive chemotherapy. I had to sit back and I was like, I'm about to go do something that can potentially kill me. And if I stay in here, it's gonna kill you. Yeah, it's gonna kill me. So I had to make the decision the day before I started chemotherapy to leave. So whereas I had somebody on my corner that was gonna be with me throughout the whole chemotherapy, supposedly, holding my hand, taking care of me. And now I have that. I went to my mom's crib, but I'm such a type of person that I don't want my mom is old, so I don't want her to see. You don't want that burden on her. Yeah, like yeah, I'll like yeah, have me there, but don't come to the chemotherapy sessions or none of that.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I'll you don't need to see me like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you don't need to see me going through that. Like I'll call home and you know, you can take care of me that way. Right. So as I'm going through the chemotherapy, I'm going through like this heartbreak. Like, imagine leaving, breaking up with loneliness with the person that you thought you were gonna spend your entire life with. And then at the same time going through something that can kill you because you're because you have something in you that's killing you, right? And then finding out midway through the chemotherapy, she's already with somebody else. That was another email. That's another part that hurts. That's another chemical that you go through.
SPEAKER_04:Like, damn, you couldn't even wait till I was done with chemo, dog. She moved on and you wasn't even able to, because you fight with the closet.
SPEAKER_03:You fighting with your hair. Yeah, like damn, son, you couldn't wait.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_03:You was already on to the next guy. So I'm still healing through that. Like, that's still something that I like. I'm just I I because I've I've been celebrating. Literally a day by day. Well, I've never even remembered. I haven't I haven't slept with nobody. That's crazy. I'm but it's the truth, bro. I haven't I haven't touched nobody, slept with nobody, nothing. Like, I haven't even entertained another female. No, but you're not thinking about that right now. Yeah, like I I've just been on some like trying to figure what I'm doing with this music and this and creating, you know, being a creator. Life, life, yeah. Trying to figure that out and just trying to get myself in like a good financial pocket and trying to just get my life together before I even think about getting back into a relationship.
SPEAKER_04:Be with someone else if you're not together yourself. So you're working on yourself first and just trying to get yourself right before you even put yourself out there to something else.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but then you be seeing the biggest bums, be having the most ride and died chick. But I was the biggest bum with the rotted dad chick, so I know.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I'm saying? Yo, that's another goal, bro. Yo, bro, I was the old broke.
SPEAKER_03:I used to be the guy, like um, there was a time in my life where I was the brokest of the broke, and I had the greatest of the greatest women. I had the greatest women when I was the brokest and the bummiest. Uh-huh. But now you got a little something. Yeah, but now you know, uh-huh.
SPEAKER_04:It could be it could be a saviors complex. Yeah.
unknown:Savior's complex.
SPEAKER_04:Especially with the women. They take they say broke dick is better. That's what the girls say.
SPEAKER_03:I I mean, I wouldn't know because the girls say I could see with that where that that may be because you got a little time.
SPEAKER_04:If you don't lay it down right, she's kicking you out of the crib. So you better put it in that movie. You better put it in the work. Now that you're not going to be able to do that work in.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you ain't even. You got nothing else to offer. You ain't put some different in your breath. Oh, you know, yo, what we gotta get to it. Let's go, bro. You eating pussy. You eating pussy like you haven't eaten a meal in 10 days.
SPEAKER_04:I spice munch out here.
unknown:Facts.
SPEAKER_03:Facts. But it'd be like that. It'd be like that. But that's why, like, where I'm at today, it's just that. It's just like I just uh I'm trying to figure how I'm, you know, I'm just gonna level up in life before I could even think about entertaining anyone else. You know what I'm saying? You have to have you right first. Yeah, you can't proceed. That's like the healthy way of doing shit.
SPEAKER_04:But it is though, it is though. When you have someone that approaches you and you can see it's like, oh, you ain't together. You just want to be with somebody to be with some, nah. Yeah, nah, I'm good.
SPEAKER_03:Those are the top uh from as I'm as I'm growing as a person, I truly believe that it's like you are like like the people that you attract are a reflection of where you weren't like yep, that is yep, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:That is fair. Agreed a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_03:So like like I'm really I'm really realizing that, you know what I mean? Because before I would just attract hood rats or whatever, even though some of them women were good women. They hold you down, but you know, they weren't like you know what I'm saying, like they cool with being hood rats, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And I was cool with them being hoodrats. Exactly. If all I gotta give you is a sandwich and a soda, like you know what I'm saying, a chicken.
SPEAKER_00:What are we talking about?
SPEAKER_03:You know? Yeah, so but now as I'm as as I'm you know trying to like purposely put myself together in the right way, I'm seeing like the different type of people that I'm attracting, whether it's people in my life professionally or people that are interested in me, you know, right in the other ways. I see it. I'm like, oh, Shorty wouldn't even sneeze at me if I would be. But now she likes in my DMs type shit.
SPEAKER_04:But that's a maturation on your level too. Because it's not easy to keep your dick in your pants.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, trust me.
SPEAKER_04:Like, especially when you know I could go over here and I can fuck with if I want to. Trust me.
SPEAKER_03:It it takes more discipline. Conquering lust is one of the greatest things a man can do. Discipline, maintaining lust. If a man can conquer lust, he can conquer anything.
SPEAKER_04:Yep. Because that's the easiest thing that could get you when you think with the other head and not with the one on your shoulders.
SPEAKER_03:And I'm telling you right now, when once a woman knows that you've conquered lust, she wants you even more, bro. Yep. If she knows that you're not easy to get in, get in your pants, but not hold on.
SPEAKER_04:So wait. Because when he goes out in the streets, she he's not yet.
SPEAKER_03:I know next time, next relationship I get into, like, that's gonna be that, you know, like, bro, if I waited this long and I haven't and the opportunities be rained down on me. Like you know what I mean? That's a pin song, dude. That's a pin song, dude. You know what I mean? But it's just it's not interesting to me. Like, I'm I'm good off all that. Like, I'm uh, you know, I'm I'm working on me, I'm doing what I gotta do. Right. So I know that when I'm take that next step, I'm gonna be the most loyal motherfucker that ever existed on the face of the earth. You're gonna be ready. You ready for it? You ready for it? Because I already know that I'm I could say no. Right.
SPEAKER_04:Because I've been saying no for like three years or right, right.
SPEAKER_03:I got I got this one shorty, I ain't gonna blow you up, man. Don't worry about it. She travels the world, right? She's a she's a teacher. She travels the world uh uh on like summers, right? And she goes like a beezer and all that, right? And she'll be like, every summer for like the next three years, she'll be like in a beezer. She'll be like, yo, just come. I'll pay for everything. Just just just fly. Just come travel with me. Yo, what? And she's a body. Uh-huh. And now I'm good. I'm chilling. I'm trying to figure this shit out. Yep. She'll be like, yo, it's it's enough. Like, she'll be like, yo, it's been three years, bro. Like, you done figuring it out. You shouldn't have been out. Let's go.
SPEAKER_04:You made it already, bro. It's like you figured it out. Let's go.
SPEAKER_03:We wait for it.
SPEAKER_02:Shit's crazy, bro. That's a fact. That's a fact. Damn. So I guess this section is like a five question.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Because I think that's like a like a sweet spot. I know we did 10, but like this is like a sweet spot five.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah, five is good. Yeah. Yeah. Because you could go into rants and tangents and all that. No, this was good. That's what I was talking about.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it was like just based on what the person says. You gotta wait till what the answers are. Go with the punches. Right. Exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Alright, so maybe it'd be like uh like elevator music right now. And then uh we go to like the closeout round. So I guess it's called a reflection round. Um this is at the end. Okay. So it's like a signature five question wrap-up. Let's do it. Okay, so I think this one is I'm gonna just ask it. And you let me know. What is one thing life has currently taught you?
SPEAKER_03:That's a very broad question.
SPEAKER_02:It's kind of supposed to just let your brain life. What is one thing it has currently taught you?
SPEAKER_03:Ain't shit what it seems.
SPEAKER_02:Nothing is what it seems.
SPEAKER_03:Everyone's trying to say, everything is like one of those abstract paintings that from afar it's one thing, and as you get closer to it, it turns into something else. Or like you walk to the side and it's a whole different different painting. That's fucking life is real. We live in 3D, but life is 4D. Yeah. Yeah. I don't disagree. I'm with you on that one. For real, bro.
SPEAKER_02:Alright, so the second question, um, you cannot say Jay-Z.
SPEAKER_04:Why not? No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_02:Someone else.
SPEAKER_04:Why you can't say that. Someone else.
SPEAKER_02:Someone else. Alright, go ahead. Go ahead. If you could have dinner with one person from history, who would it be and why?
SPEAKER_03:I would not sit with Jay-Z for five. I'm taking the 500k, bro. You wow. I'm doing it. Jay said, Jay, Jay-Z even said, he's like, bro, he said, because I put I give I put all the gems in my music anyway.
SPEAKER_02:Actually, let's make it broad. After you say Mike, you say it, I'll say it.
SPEAKER_03:Alright. If I if I can sit with anybody in the world and have dinner. Mm-hmm. Shit. Ooh, I love that. I love that question. It would probably have to be a very young version of my pops. That's interesting. Why would you pick that one? Just to figure the fuck out what's going on in the head. And then maybe how I can help. Like what was your thought? Like what was like what was going on, bro? Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? And and and because like my like from as as long as I can remember, like, you know, the the the the running story has been that like my father, you know went through a lot in life and that's why he is the way he is today, or whatever. Right. I would want to like sit down with him and like be like, ah, how we can help. So I'm like, how can we fix this? You know, so that you can maybe in the future have a better thing. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02:I like that. I don't want to say my personality. I like that. Why? That that's actually pretty fucking fantastic. Yeah, that was an awesome answer. Yeah, but that is fantastic. I was gonna say Christopher Columbus. But why? Wait, why? Columbus. I'm curious. Because I I would like to know his thought process of navigation. Why he why he lied? Like, like why he lied, why why he capped? Like, why he did what he did, and then also to figure out in that era, like what was really going on with the Americas and India and what type of trait they were trying to spice and like because there's a lot of stuff from America, is it? There's a lot of stuff from history, like King Tut is another one I would like to sit down with. King Tut died at 18. Yeah, yeah, but he was like 10 when he became king. I don't want to sit with him. Yeah, but 10! Yeah, but like it's it's it's someone from history where we have no actual documentary recording of this person. We we have we we have images.
SPEAKER_03:Is King Tudd was King Tudd the real king, or was there somebody behind King Tud that was really making the moves?
SPEAKER_02:Or or so young or sort of like I I know we said one, or sort of like or Cleopatra. Right. Cleopatra or Gangus Carnegie. The first woman Gangus Carnegie was.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, sort of one of them.
SPEAKER_04:She was probably a bitch. They said she was fine. See, that d that's what I see. If I want to talk to one of them, I want to see if you actually was fine. Like, what's the one?
SPEAKER_03:Yo, bro, bro, listen, let's be honest. Like, women in power are usually bitches, bro. They have to be. They have to be. Let's be clear. They have to be because the world is dominated by men. Yeah, yeah. So they have to be bitches, right? And that's what I'm saying. So imagine back then how much of a bitch you had to be to fucking.
SPEAKER_04:But see, but back then, no, it was still like, I don't see, I don't know. Because it's like, think about it. If you Cleopatra, right? The only reason why you become queen is because you're gonna marry this person so that we could get this powerful. But to maintain the power that she has. Right. To maintain it after the fact. She had to be like on some shit. I think there's like an ebb and flow there. Because it's still at the time, we will put poison in your damn wine and you out of here. So I think there's a balance there. But didn't we have people that tasted their wine for them and shit? They did, but they can that person could lie, they could act like they swallowed it, or they could be the one putting the wand up poison there. Right. So it's one of those, I think, too, because if you get too full of yourself and too much in power, the people gonna revolt and you go, you up out of here. You up out of here.
SPEAKER_02:Talking about poison before you give your person. Have you heard have you guys heard about the uh so someone mentioned this? They said, I wonder how many um servants kings killed thinking that they were being poisoned, but they were actually allergic to whatever it is that they were eating. That's a very good point.
SPEAKER_04:That's a very good point. That's a very fair point.
SPEAKER_03:Holy shit, that never thought of that shit. That's so crazy. Yeah, because they were probably just they could give him a scratchy throat or something. Yeah, you thought it was poison and then just chop his head off. Could have been just an allergy. You had a peanut allergy and you ain't know it.
SPEAKER_04:Shit. Nah, that's crazy. You was allergic to grapes. Yeah, you was allergic to grapes.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you was allergic to grapes and you just got somebody murked, but that's crazy. And like your whole family getting murked type shit, because that's how it was back then.
SPEAKER_02:Everyone gets it. Nah, that's yeah, you're right. So that's how I was back then. So that either a couple months ago or last year. I was like, that is a fair point. Like, that's interesting.
SPEAKER_03:That's interesting. Again, so back to like how humanity was so barbaric, right?
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_03:It's like you made my thread. There was no yeah, there was no like reasonable thought. There was no like, hold on, sir.
SPEAKER_04:Let me just let me. Well, this is an allergy. Every time you touch this, this happens. Like the witches in sailing used to get killed even like for nothing. Like she walked. She blew a nose with the dick bookers. Yeah, like she's a witch killed her.
SPEAKER_03:What the fuck? Nah, that's a fact. I'll wit you on that. We we really were some ignorant motherfuckers, bro. Some ignorant words. That's not easy. Why would the aliens want to come see us, bro? They really they really shouldn't. Like, as we look, look how we look at us just like a hundred years ago, right? Imagine a uh a civilization that's thousands of years ahead of us, how they must look at us. Like, look at these monkeys with nuclear weapons. And that's the thing. Look at each country.
SPEAKER_02:They look at us uh like how we look at the people on the subway.
SPEAKER_03:No, they look at us, they look at us like how we look at ants, right? Like, look at look at these little ants. Idiots, it's crush them.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I could just crush, but they just observe, like, oh, look at look at these uh these little monkeys. Think about if you go from country to country, you look at Japan and how advanced Japan is compared to us. But then you look at us to come to a place like the Congo. And we way more advanced than the Congo. So it's looking like it depends where you look at. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's always a bigger fish.
SPEAKER_03:Aliens, they really just they just they they they have their invisibility cloaks and shit, and they just be just imperial. We're like a reality show too. Look at these idiots. They just like look at America, the new season. 400 in the slavery, we've seen it all. Big Tacon offense. Season 400. It's aliens right now, like how they figure us out. That's crazy. Zap them.
SPEAKER_04:For real. It's Mike. Uh who's your person? Um, probably Mansamusa. Because he was the richest person ever, but gave away most of his wealth and fortune.
SPEAKER_02:Didn't he used to like which probably ended up in a museum in the UK?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he used to like destroy economies just by passing through.
SPEAKER_04:Literally, he would just walk by and give out gold bars because he just had so many. Do you know what that means? Entire country's economies. Like, just think about it. If you were the poorest person in a village and Manson came by, here you go, man. And he give you 10 gold.
SPEAKER_03:Why do they say that Elon Musk is the most is the richest man in history? No, that's not true. That's what they've been saying. I've been seeing that everywhere. That's what I'm saying. It's Mansomusa for sure. Why do they say like 30 trillion? Easily. I think it's more than that. He's he's on that that Elon Musk projected. That they're saying that he that he's gonna he's gonna be the first trillionaire in history.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, no, I don't believe that.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, what? I don't believe that.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying. Like, how is that if Mansa Musa does a thing? But it's it's one of those two where I would like to meet him to tell him to stop. Bro, chill, bro. Stop. Imagine what your country could be if you held some of this money and gained a little more power. Africa looks completely different than what it had what it is today.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, okay, I get what you mean. Like we I get hold on to the hold on to the riches so you could you can you can kind of just build up Africa. Because it would be the first world country.
SPEAKER_04:Well, could have really built a world continent. Yeah, like it really wakanda, yeah, yeah. It really could have been. We we see it now happening with them going after Nigeria and stuff because of the minerals that they have now. You saw Trump the other day, was like, hey, y'all don't get it right. We coming to Nigeria, we're pulling up. It looks like Nigeria can use some freedom.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, come on. And I think it's happening. He's like, come on. What are you talking about? That's the US. As soon as they find some fire shit in your in your natural resources. Democracy sounds like a good idea for you guys.
SPEAKER_04:You know who that's that's the real fight against China. The fight is Africa. China's Already there.
SPEAKER_02:We're trying to catch up. Africa has a lot of debt. The Caribbean as well. The debt to us China is crazy.
SPEAKER_04:The debt is not real. No, it's not. But the other thing is, too, they have all the cobalt. The cobalt is what makes this work. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yep, exactly.
SPEAKER_04:So when you have cobalt and we don't have any, and we are in this list.
SPEAKER_03:Let's not demonize debt because debt is actually a very powerful tool correctly. Until they take over your airports.
SPEAKER_02:And it's no more flights. You can't fly nowhere. So I use can't leave. I have some uh feedbacks for Mansumusa. Uh-huh. So his estimated value uh adjusted to today's inflation, I guess you could say is about 500 billion USD.
SPEAKER_03:Um so he would be a 500, he would 500 billion. Yeah, they say adjusted today. But if he was a trillionaire then, wouldn't that be more? That's what I'm saying. In today's economy, that's what you gotta go after. Because back in the day, money was worth more.
SPEAKER_04:Literally a gold bar back then.
SPEAKER_03:So you would be the because a hundred dollars back then would be like five hundred today. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:So we we go we go into that part right there. So during his pilgrimage to Mecca, right, he took 60,000 people and then he had 12,000 slaves, each carrying four pounds of gold. And a dozen camels loaded with gold dust. Come on, so go back going back to what you said again, he gave away so much gold in Cairo, Medina, and Mecca that the value of gold collapsed for over a decade, causing massive inflation in North Africa and the Middle East.
SPEAKER_04:He literally changed the economy with how much money he had. Hey, you want some gold? Let's drop the price of that gold a little bit. But you can change that. Could you do that much? That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:You want some gold nuts?
SPEAKER_02:Some gold nuts for you.
SPEAKER_03:It was so abundant. It was so abundant.
SPEAKER_04:So imagine if he keeps it. Just imagine if we keep just half it.
SPEAKER_03:And strategically, you know, like works around and builds with it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Woof. Would have been crazy. Yeah, that would have been crazy. That's why I say Manson Music. That would have been fire. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that would have been fire. Alright, so we're gonna we're gonna close out. Um I I removed one of the I removed question five. The younger self thingy. I don't know if you have that's four.
SPEAKER_04:That's four piece of advice you would give your younger self. Yeah, just six.
SPEAKER_02:I do like three though. I do like three a lot. The what song? Yeah. So I wanna I want to change it to artists. What artists do you listen to when no one's around? Ooh, artists. So for me, for me is Olivia Rodrigo. Okay. That's what I listen to when no one's around. What's your favorite Olivia Rodrigo vampire? Okay. And uh driver's license. How does it make you feel? It's I listen to a night. So it's it's like Ethereal. It's like um you know that song uh I Took a Pill in a visa? Yeah, the EDM version? Yeah, it's kind of like that. It's just it's just dope music. Yeah, I'm not mad at that. Nobody's around.
SPEAKER_04:I got one. I like Genevieve.
unknown:Who?
SPEAKER_04:Genevieve. No, no, no, no, no. She's like a pop artist. I normally don't listen to too much pop music, but like she makes really good music. She got a song called Chrysalis. I knew her album was pretty, pretty solid. I like I like Genevieve, and she's like, all right, too. That's another added music. But the music. She can catch it. I don't know what she is. She's she's racially ambiguous, I'm gonna say. Like Bruno Mars. Yeah, like we don't know what you want. You could be Samoan, you could be you could be Hawaiian, British.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. It's a potato potato, man. But I'll take it. You know what I mean? You bad, you bad. And you make good music. And you make good music. I like it. You alright in my book.
SPEAKER_04:I like seeing Chicago. See, she's American.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah. She's from Chicago. Okay.
SPEAKER_04:She's dope. Like she she makes really solid music. Real solid, solid music. But I I usually wouldn't tell nobody I listening to Genevieve. Yeah, that builds.
SPEAKER_03:I like RB a lot, but RB head, bro. I love I love RB music, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I like it.
SPEAKER_03:I got the barbershop. Oh, you know the movie Barbershop where where like they have like the sign that says no rap music before 11. I had that rule in life. I'm on Sunday.
SPEAKER_04:No rap on Sundays with me. Okay. Sunday is my palate cleanser day. It's always RB.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, nah, I'm RB from like the moment I wake up to like maybe lunchtime-ish, then I'll throw on some some whole forest. Right. Right. Um artists that I listen to, I used to do so as I was, I used to do this when I was growing up. It's funny that you mentioned this because I used to do this shit all the time. My brother always brings it up because he used to witness it, obviously. We live in the same crib. You know, I grew up, you know, late 90s, early 2000s, super gangster rap, 50 Cent, Mild D type shit. So, you know, when you're outside, you're like, yeah, you know, yeah, what up, blood? What? What up, cuz? You know, I used to go home and turn on that N Sync.
SPEAKER_00:Bye, bye, yo.
SPEAKER_03:Cause you know, we're doing the players, yo, son, yo, that shit used to be because I like musically, it was so fire to me, like the melodies, the song structure. We couldn't front. We watched MTV. You watch TR. It's not enough for you. But I wouldn't, I mean, yeah, I would never be on that outside. No, I'm not gonna beat up.
SPEAKER_02:Like, you never listened to Hannah Montana before. Like, what are we doing?
SPEAKER_03:I mean, yeah, nah, nah, never. But I'm just saying, you gotta do instinct backstreet boys and all that. My little brother used to fucking flame me. He used to be like, yo, no, I'm gonna tell everybody. Yo, I'm gonna tell everybody.
SPEAKER_04:You gotta hang it upside down in the back vanilla isolate. You ain't telling nobody. You ain't seen nobody knowing that.
SPEAKER_03:Yo, nah, for real though. Like it was that it was like that type of shit. Like, because they used to um damn, I'm gonna age myself, but there used to be this thing called the box back in the day. Yeah, where you drop people. Nah, nah, nah. That's video music. Shout out to Ross McDaniel. But there was a whole channel called The Box where you would be able to like request music videos. Uh huh. So like they would have codes. Yeah. And then like you would call in and you would press the code, and then that then it was like five dollars a request, right? And they would add it to like either your credit card or your phone bill. Yep. And you would be able to request. And I remember I ran up my mom's phone bill to like almost a stack of just requesting Britney Spears.
SPEAKER_00:Like, oh my shit. Yo, yo, like, no, yo, yo, my mom's was tight.
SPEAKER_03:Yo, she was you like, yo, what is this, yo? Wait a minute. Yo, son, yo, it's crazy, bro. I remember that shit, yo. And I used to like have that, yo, yeah, that time, bro. Simple as time back then.
SPEAKER_04:Easy time, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yo, simpler time. You just request your music videos. That's when life was nice, bro. It was yo, bro. I I really feel like like even like since the pandemic, I think we like went into a whole different timeline shit.
SPEAKER_02:I have been telling people this. The world is not the same as it was pre-pandemic. It's a different, like, I feel like this is a whole different reality that we live in. You know what I mean? It doesn't make sense. Like down to the kids. Yeah, I was like, nothing. Literally.
SPEAKER_03:The Gen Alpha kids are weird. Nothing makes sense. It's like nothing made. Like just going outside, it's just a different feeling. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird, bro. It's a it's a it's a it's a it feels dystopian. Especially in New York.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I feel like once blockheads closed, everything went bad. Damn, RIP blockheads. Everything went bad once blockheads closed. Like a city chick. What?
SPEAKER_03:Blockheads was everything if you're gonna be. I was the after the afterwork spot. Come on.
SPEAKER_02:Wait, what what what exactly was blockheads? It was a bar. It's a bar?
SPEAKER_04:It was a bar, restaurant, vibe, vibe spot. You bring you a shorty there, y'all sit, you get you a good drink, some food real quick. Blockheads was that spot. You could meet some, you could even meet somebody there. They'd be at one table, you'd be at another table. It was fine. We pushing the tables together, now we all buy.
SPEAKER_03:I saw something like that really, really fucked me up. That like the New York accent is starting to like. There's no New York accent. Shh, it's like, what?
SPEAKER_04:So I I think that is going back to what we said before about social media making the world so small. Like everybody just sounds like they're from LA. There's no regions anymore. Like, no, unless you one of them like like country. Like Brooklyn. Okay. How you doing? Cush, we doing over, you're fucking playing with your sausage gush. Come on, Cush. You sound like big body best. Get the fuck out of here, Cush. Right. You don't hear that that much anymore. Yeah, yeah. You really don't hear that. And that's like the main New York accent that people go to. You don't really hear that that way.
SPEAKER_02:The old school Italian.
SPEAKER_03:It's really, it it starts with that, but it's it's New York. Like we ah, man, this sucks, man.
SPEAKER_04:I just uh that really that really I think that also goes with the melting pot changing, too. New York is such a melting pot that now the immigrants that come over, you have more Africans that come here, you have more Jamaicans and stuff. The Africans are never gonna sound the way we sound like.
SPEAKER_02:So we gotta sound like Toronto soon. Oh, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_04:Right, like it's it's it's just a different thing.
SPEAKER_03:I am working over here and then until their kids grow up in it. Well, yeah, but well, we've always been an immigrant since we've always been around. I'm a first generation immigrant, you know what I'm saying? My my mom's and my pops. My mom's is she's a gangster. Like my mom's a G. So she came in and she was like, I'm gonna learn English. Right. She speaks that shit choppy as fuck. But she speaks that shit. My pops never learned, but yeah, I can my mom they came to this country not knowing shit. And I always say this this is something that I think immigrant children need to need to appreciate more. Imagine you coming from a country that was basically a completely different fucking world. Yes, and then coming to a to a country that you don't know the language, you don't know the culture, you don't know how things work, you don't know how things move, and just say, fuck it, I'm gonna build a life. Yep. You know how gangster you need to be to do some shit like that, bro? And we complain because the Wi-Fi can be cutting off. Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:Not dead ass those. Nah, it's just dead ass. Just to even take that risk. You don't know what's on the other side. You don't know. Just move to another state, that shit just be heavy on somebody. Then to go to another country. When you don't speak the language, the language, you don't know the government, you don't know the the the culture, you don't know nothing. Because I know with me, when I talk to a Spanish person and they don't understand English, all I do is get louder. Like that's gonna help them understand.
SPEAKER_00:Do you hear me? Who was that helping? Jose Jose is like, it's just a loco.
SPEAKER_03:It's just a loco.
SPEAKER_04:And we just frustrated with each other. Seriously. So that needs medication. That's not easy.
SPEAKER_03:And my family was like entrepreneurial. Like, yo, like, yo, my mom came and she started a party goods store. And she put that up. Then my uncles came and they started uh that's why the the the the car 32 shit. Yeah, I resonate with because my uncles came and they started a whole cab company called Paisa Car Service. Right. Where like each other I know what that is because they're talking about a uh a car service called Clasico in Queens, right? My family had a competing car service to Clasico called uh Paisa Car Service, and they started with two cars and they ended up fleeting to like 150 cars. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Spanish Colombian guys that didn't know the fucking language.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And think about that being a cab driver, not knowing the city. Not knowing the city. Someone gives you an address before. This is before GPS. Yeah. So someone gives you an address, hey, take me to 534th Street. What? Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Hopefully, I'm gonna get you to the I'm gonna figure it out. Hopefully.
SPEAKER_00:Big ass paper max. I'm gonna figure this shit out.
SPEAKER_03:But that's what I'm saying. They start with two cars and go, they go to 150 cars, bro. And you know, and it's like that that this is it's just that thing. It's like it's like it's like these people that come from these countries, and not only do they come to these these countries and just work, they start businesses, yeah, you know, and they flourish and they make money, right? You know what I mean, and they're able to support their families, and now we just we cry over Wi-Fi, cry over everything. No, you're right, you're right. The iPads not charged, yeah, right. You know what I mean? Door dashing and coming time. I'm hungry. Nigga, go outside. Go in like what the fuck are you talking about? Door dashing as a fact though. Now, I'm saying we really take shit for granted, b, because I really think about it like with my family, how like how my mother and my uncles and everybody came to this country and really just did something with it. You know what I mean? You know, my uncle, now you know he's with he's retired. Like after the the the the the cab service stuff, he became an MTA bus driver and did that for like 30 years and retired.
SPEAKER_04:And right, you know, but that work ethic never disappeared. Never disappeared. And nowadays the work ethic just isn't there anymore at all, bro. There's no work ethic, no one puts their head down and be like, hey, we just gonna work.
SPEAKER_03:And it's not like like we're going back to like the work smarter, not harder. Like, yeah, but people work hard, but they also work smart because they know they but they put both together and that works.
SPEAKER_04:When you put both of them together, you're gonna flourish when you put both together. Yeah, man. That's a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_03:Shout out to the immigrants, man. Shout out, shout out to the immigrants that come to this country, really do something with themselves, and really, you know, put plant seeds for the for their families and for the you know, for the future generations because I'm part of that. I'm a I'm a first generation Colombian, and I I I appreciate every single thing that my family did to plant seeds for me. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Want to just thank NY the artists.
SPEAKER_03:It used to be E N Y the artist, and I changed it. E N Y? Yeah, because people started thinking I was from East New York and I'm not.
SPEAKER_04:Uh I'm not gonna hold you. That was my assumption. I said, okay, he gotta be from East New York. That's why he put E N Y.
SPEAKER_03:So when I first got the name, I'm from I'm from an era where you don't you don't make your own name, you get a name given to you, and I'm not sure. Yeah, so like one of my OGs gave me the name E N Y and it stood for everything New York. It was like, yo, you you New York to the bone. Like everything you do is New York, the way you talk, the way you walk, the way you rap, everything is about you is New York. Right. So he that's why he gave me E and Y, the art. E and Y, and then I added the artist next to it. And then as I was like doing things, like I kept just getting that confusion, like, yo, you from East New York? Oh, you from East New York? You from East New York? Right. I just keep I'm like, nah. So I put the E N, put it together, and why? Why got it? New York. Do we just say Gil? Well, yeah, that's my name. You just go Gil. All right, guys, you heard it here first order. All right, guys, you're gonna hear it. Gentlemen, yo, thank you guys, man. I appreciate you guys, man. Yeah, man. Thank you for pulling up. Let me know. I'm here whenever you guys need me.
SPEAKER_04:Um either. You gotta officially rap it. You gotta officially rap it. This is the 60 Plus Podcast.
SPEAKER_02:I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Uh Mike says we gotta rap. I was about to just leave. This is the humanity podcast. I was about to just walk out of this thing. All right, guys, thank you for listening to the 60 Plus Podcast. If you made it this far, then please like, subscribe, follow, comment, let us know what is going on in your life.
SPEAKER_03:And if you don't, we're gonna come to your house. Right, and we're gonna pull your feet. And tell us your socials. Tell us your socials.
SPEAKER_02:We're not gonna pull your feet. We're gonna take uh one side of each of your shoes. You got one shoe, one left shoe. One left shoe, that's it.
SPEAKER_04:The next pair of shoes is on your right shoe. Right, we gotta do the whole just social.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna mess you up all the time. Now you can you follow me on Instagram at ENY the artist on TikTok at ENY the artist underscore TNV. And um, I create content, I make music. I don't like to be called a musician or a rapper or anything like that. I'm a fucking creator. So I just do everything under the sun when it comes to this creation shit. And we can find the music at the same time. Yeah, yeah. You can I I mean I try to gatekeep my music. It's funny. Hey, okay. Yeah, yeah. Like, like, I like I like I I have my music on DSPs and I have I have a distribution deal to rock nation and shit like that. But I I like I got to a point in my in my creation and like just my artistry where my music is not for everybody, so you have to kind of join the community and be a part of my community to really get access to my music like that. Like I wanna make I want to give my music that value. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_04:I like that. Yeah, I like that. You know, cultivate real community. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know why the artist join the mo the motion mob, baby.
SPEAKER_04:Hey, there we go.
SPEAKER_03:Love y'all. Y'all appreciate y'all, man. For real, man. Thank you. We do pull it out.
SPEAKER_02:This is this is an end, or do we what you need? Anything you need this is you need me to do a split. What you need me to do?
SPEAKER_03:I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_02:All right, guys. Thank you. Have a great rest of your day.