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Real OGs, False Idols, And The Kids | Episode 2 | 60plusthepodcast
A candid ride from street codes to school halls, where we separate real mentorship from manipulation and trace how faith, boundaries, and service can rebuild a village. Zoe shares the playbook: reward effort, protect kids, finish what you start, and let God bat lead-off.
• the difference between real OGs and big homies
• why incentives work for youth engagement
• slice of excellence partnerships and impact
• parenting with love, limits and context
• finishing what you start and choosing longevity
• prayer, scripture and processing grief
• whole child needs before academics
• rebuilding the village through presence
• smarter circles, better rooms, stronger outcomes
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Poison is mindset, bro. It's a mindset that's not gonna get you nowhere. Never. And we all know it. So, like, how I look at big homies, bro, it's all like a bunch of manipulators, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? You getting over on people you know you can get over on. Feel me? So for me, a OG is the person that really put me on game and helped me stand in the right direction. Because the OG is gonna say, he's gonna see whether you really like that or not. You feel me? And if he knows you're not like that, he'd be like, yo, bro, sit this one out, bro. This one's not for you. And that's all right, bro. So I'm here to I'm here to keep it.
SPEAKER_04:We come from that era though. Yeah. The OGs, like, the OGs was outside, and they was like, yo, if you're not like that, if you like a basketball player, like, yo, play basketball. If I see you outside, I'm smacking the shit out of you.
SPEAKER_02:Right. They had to do that.
SPEAKER_04:That's the real OG. Like you said, these quote unquote big homies, is like they prey on the young kids because either they too p to put in work they self, or they like, they like what's his um, uh, what uh uh from inner society, a eight ball played. Right, right, right. Like he just wanna see other people do dirt. It becomes evil. You know, I just want to see these young kids do dirt. I did so much dirt in my life, I want to see these young kids do dirt. Now it becomes demonic.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_04:You know?
SPEAKER_03:Very true.
SPEAKER_04:And it's yeah, that that's a cycle that needs to break, and I hope I hopefully it starts breaking now, man. I'm with you. I gotta get like a we gotta get a soundboard down there.
SPEAKER_01:Word. Okay, so I got uh I got a fun fact. Chainsaws were first invented for childbirth. Wait, what? Yeah, I you see it right. Chainsaws were first invented for childbirth. To cut the umbilical, bro, see what we were talking about last episode, bro!
SPEAKER_04:We was we was savages, bro.
SPEAKER_01:A chainsaw? Yeah, so they were developed in Scotland in the late 18th century to help aid the speed up to help aid and speed up the process of symphocyton cytonomy, widening the pubic cartilage a woman's remember what we said last and the removal of disease laden bone during childbirth. So they would that's crazy, bro. Cut to pull. So that's that's yo, yeah, yo.
SPEAKER_04:Yo, who uh this is what the f what what see that so last episode we were talking about how humans were way more savage back in the days. Right, yes, and this like this is another fact. Like, yo, what the fuck are you talking about? We use chainsaws for childbirth.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's crazy. It was more barbaric back then.
SPEAKER_02:Barbaric, very barbaric. Like that's different. We're I wasn't expecting that. That's crazy, bro. You got one mic? Sure. Mine's is not as interesting as yours, but um, there are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on Earth. That's a fact. I believe it.
SPEAKER_01:Because it's infinite. Yeah, and the world is just rocking the sky in space. Alright, so this is where we do the transition. I'm still pretty bad at this, so I just kind of deal with it, deal with me for a thing. Yeah, so oh man, we appreciate you, bro. Yeah, no, we definitely appreciate Zoe, but I'd like a little intro that I want to work on.
SPEAKER_00:Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages.
SPEAKER_04:This is the 60 Plus Podcast. It's humans doing human shit. That's right. And talking about human topics.
SPEAKER_01:That's that. There it is. We gotta we gotta timestamp that just so I can memorize it. So I actually had, because we're gonna have you on again, but I wrote something. So I said today we have an entrepreneur, a podcaster, a father, a former baseball player, and an all-around decent human being. And a Bronx legend. I I have Bronx all the way. What are you doing? My bad. Mike. Hey, Mike. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.
SPEAKER_04:That's the Queens in the world. I just yeah, man, because you know what I'm saying? We gotta we gotta big up our legends, man.
SPEAKER_03:Right, thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Welcome to the welcome to episode two, Zoe.
SPEAKER_03:Right, thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Clap it up, clap it up, clap it up. Yeah, big Zoe. Big Zoe. So, yeah, so we get into the um the quick fire. So we do like a quick fire. That's why I asked you to pick like 10 numbers between one and 46. Oh, wow. So I don't know what I think.
SPEAKER_03:I was picking like the Yankee like retired.
SPEAKER_04:I was in that C last week, bro. Yeah, that's when we're just sprung shit on me.
SPEAKER_01:We did, we did. And you said it was very cuckery, so I put it in the middle of the couple. It was cuckery. It's okay. Well, let's make it. Oh, get ready. You're gonna get some cook questions for it. Mike made a lot of adjustments. All right, all right, all right.
SPEAKER_04:So you made you made me uncomfortable. Oh, purpose.
SPEAKER_01:You know how I go. The first one is always the test subject. Gotcha. It's like with kids and everything. Don't watch Mike. Watch the questions. Why is he watching the questions? Don't watch the questions. We're still here.
SPEAKER_03:What was it like one through 27 and 1 through 46? Yep. Gotcha. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_04:I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it a buck. When they did that to me, I just put Jat GPT. I was like, put pick these numbers and just I just sent them. And it's funny. I was like, f all that.
SPEAKER_01:We're actually pretty like it was like almost like one after the other type of thing. So it it flowed like a story. Right. So it was pretty cool. But for you to the Yankees, man, this is gonna be interesting. Shout out to the Yankees. Shout out to Yankees. Let's go match. So welcome to the quick fire randomizer question segment. I'll start with the first one. So we'll do one, we'll just before we'll leave Frog. So question one How many people or percentage of people who hang around you are smart?
SPEAKER_03:I would say I would say 80, I would say 90%. Okay. You know, I think uh my life has evolved a lot. Um I I'm in different spaces, different facets. So my life, I've opened up my life to for people to fit in that I can help, and they can help me, and we could grow and do things. And I'm a social entrepreneur, so my life is about giving. So my network is is full of those people that I I can help and build with. And even now I'm doing fundraising for slice of excellence. Yes. And we're doing super, super, duper well. Love that. We have 82% of our goal in a week and a half. So that's awesome. So I was on, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Let's not let us just go. No, we don't want to go over there. No, nothing. You live you half of your goal in a week and a half.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, facts. Bro, what? Yeah, what's your goal? 5,000.
SPEAKER_02:Nice, man.
SPEAKER_04:Come on, bro. Nice. Round of applause for that.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you. Yeah, so I think uh this is for the haircuts or the pizza? For both. So the um the the pizzas, these are for a pizza party in 2026. Nice. So definitely shout out to Seven Sheepurger. We got a great one coming. Pick a teacher, pick a sneak in a few weeks. So I'm excited about that. But definitely um 80, 90% of the people I'm around with are smart and we add value to each other.
SPEAKER_01:So Zoe's kind of modest. So what he does, he trades uh pizza or haircuts for report cards. Or like if there's like a prom happening, or if there's like an event going on at like certain uh high schools or his high school, he'll have people come in and like either perform or have people come in and like cut the cut the kids' hair or get the kids ready. We'll get ready for like prom or graduation, all those things. Right.
SPEAKER_04:So that's what's I don't know if you know, Amir, that comes from the era that we come from. Yeah. Because like the same thing. Like when I was growing up, I'm sure when you were growing up, the barbershop asked you for your report card. And if you you had good grades, like I know where I come from, that's what happened. Right. Like they would ask you for your report card, and if you had good grades, you get a free cut. Damn, they never asked me though. Like that was that I mean that's that's that's that's what he was saying earlier. Oh gee shit.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Of those smart people, how many of them would you consider smarter than you?
SPEAKER_03:I would say the majority. So you are the company you keep? I am the company I keep, yeah. You know, my smartest man in the room, you're in the wrong room. Yeah. So I think for me, sometimes you're trying to go to the top with people that that aren't meant to go with you. You know what I'm saying? So I I don't blame artists and athletes for trying to like take everybody that they were already with with them, right? But if those people don't want to go, they don't have to. And some of them aren't meant to go, right? So I understand how people sever ties, but for me, I've learned that I've had to not only remove people because God did that, but I've also had to put people in in the spaces to be successful in my life, right? Yeah. So I can't call certain people for certain things, right? Because they mind don't work that way. They still think about other things that doesn't pertain to me. Yeah. So I think for me, I've learned to leave space for new relationships, right? And not that they're not my friends, but they're like my business associates or my partners or things of that nature, right? They be like that. But they know me for for doing the youth things, right? So that's what I say my biggest flex is is helping the youth.
SPEAKER_04:It is. And we need to. It is. And we need to. Sure. Yeah. We need that hands down, that's like the most one of the most important things, especially in New York City and probably the across the country, is the youth. We gotta make sure that the youth is good because we fuck this youth up. Yeah. So we gotta do damage control at this point. And what Zoe be doing, and everything that I see that you do online and where you talk about and everything like that, is exactly that. It's it's like damage control in a way. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people misguided a whole generation of youth, and we need to figure this shit the f out because we're gonna lose them. And that's gonna trickle down to the next generation and the next generation, and we can't have that.
SPEAKER_02:You see it in a lot of states and a lot of cities. You see it in Baltimore with the black mayors and stuff like that. You give these kids stuff to do, they stay out of trouble. The crime rate goes down. So just giving them options and giving them stuff to do is so important. Don't matter who's doing it, it's super, super important. But um, next question for you would you rather have your child grow up famous or grow up average and free from public judgment?
SPEAKER_03:I would say average. All right, let's talk about my sons, right? Them having me as their father, they're gonna be ready for whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And I'm I'm in their lives, I'm active. I was just with them before this. So at the end of the day, that's a flex. It's all about how what I prepare them for. Exactly. So it's either or, it's whatever God wants, and whatever we're gonna do together. I think my sons are gonna be professional athletes. I'll bring it to a high level. And I think if we train and we do things the right way, get the skill work, then they'll be there too. But I also have a second plan. I also feel like if we make it to the college level, then bro, I'll pay for college, but if you play that sport and have them pay, whatever I save, I'll give it to you. Right.
SPEAKER_04:If your mommy has to be. Oh, I like that. I like that. Um whatever I save, I'll give it to you after college? Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:I can build your crib, your first car, you go travel for a year, yeah, right. Whatever that is. Hell yeah. Um, I think they're both gonna play baseball for sure, but I think my second one's probably gonna be more of a basketball player. Uh-huh. But baseball for sure. Baseball for sure. Nice. And that's following your footsteps, because you played baseball? Yeah, I did. Austria, Austria, right? Yeah, I made it to the pros in Europe.
SPEAKER_01:Oh shit. That's what's up. That's what's up. So it was a busy man.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that was that was my life, 2018, 2019.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, so question three is gonna be a bit of a change. Um, if you had to pick a war to fight in, which one would it be? Whatever you can think of in history, you have to pick a war.
SPEAKER_03:I would have fought in the Civil War. Black people had more when we were segregated than when we were integrated. Right? So I think, you know, I'm a second coming. I have it's funny, on my leg, I have Martin Luther King and Malcolm X tally. So I think I'm a blend of both. I understand peace and I understand smoke. So I think we you gotta, I think all of us as men understand that. Like there's times where is I've done enough talking, right? Every man gets to that point.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_03:And if I can talk to you and we can move on, great. But if not, then there's another alternative and it's gonna have to go the way it's gonna have to go.
SPEAKER_02:Would you rather erase one historical tragedy or prevent one future disaster?
SPEAKER_03:I'm a very, I'm a very proactive person. So I would go with the preventative route. Uh-huh. Okay. Because I think with the proper steps, you know, a lot of things could be avoided. You know what I'm saying? And with the proper leadership and communication. You know, future thinking. Right, future thinking. I think COVID was a big deal, and now it's Trump's fault. Feel me? I think he was very lax about it, so we was all lax about it. But if you look at other parts of the country, they already had masks on. They was already preparing for it, right? They were moving out of it while we were still moving into it. So I think his, I think he dropped the ball on that one, and I think that affected the rest of the country for how long it did.
SPEAKER_02:That's a good answer. Every state made it completely different. They did different countries. And then Florida was a wild west. Dumb quick. Yeah, Florida. I don't know in Florida.
SPEAKER_04:All the southern states was like, yeah, Florida never closed down. I mean, I mean, yeah, the southern states didn't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they didn't close down. So, so number five, what would you do if someone threw money at your kid? If someone threw money at your kid. Literally? I'm talking about like a figurative. No, I'm talking about like a stack of money. Like a fastball. Bam. Like a fastball. Maybe like overhand.
SPEAKER_03:I think I think it depends the setting. So I think the context of that question, it matters. It matters. So we had an NBA game and he's in the stands and he gets slapped with money, then we should we split in that after a day. But I'm like that. If like we're in the street or something, if I don't, if we're not in the setting where I would expect something like that to happen, then then we have a problem. But if we're like at a at a game or a magic show or something of that nature, then I expect something to happen. Or maybe I'm at a parent teacher conference, or maybe I'm at, no, not parent teacher conference, maybe I'm at school, right? And parents were allowed to come participate or whatever, engage in the activity, right? Uh-huh. And I don't know, EYLs, they're throwing money, like, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00:Go catch that shit.
SPEAKER_03:I'm saying pay my car note. You know what I mean? So it depends the setting. You know what I'm saying? If I know you're progressive, and I'm not shooting somebody. But I'm not sure. If I if we're in a setting where I expect something like that to happen, then cool. But if not, we got a problem.
SPEAKER_02:That's fair. That's fair. All right. All right. That is pretty fair. All right. What song don't you want to hear when an Uber or a car picks you up?
SPEAKER_01:Don't you want to hear? I'm a baby girl.
SPEAKER_03:I'm cool with that. I want to hear no sexy red. Sexy drill shit. No pussy pink doodle brown.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. Nah, I want to hear no drill shit. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I'd be a little nervous if they played some drill to pick me up. Nah. That's alright. I'm gonna give you a car. Yeah, nah. That's alright.
SPEAKER_04:I'm good. Sexy red, though. I feel you, yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, like where we at, though. Like, what we doing?
SPEAKER_03:Like, sexy red is for the club though. It does sound good in the club, though. Right. But I'm saying though, if you ever go to the club.
SPEAKER_04:You saw the shit with the with the sexy red. Um, I just saw it right now. Where they they put all the SD, like the main states that got the SCDs. And then they put sexy red's picture, and then she retweeted, and she's like, what the fuck I got to do with this?
SPEAKER_03:Right, yeah. Yeah, that's that's I mean, they associate. I mean, what do you want to be remembered for? Yeah, like that's what I'm saying. Like, that's kind of what she's associated with. Exactly. So it kind of sucks.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, like Jada Kiss will say, yo, yo, yo. A dude pulling up playing sexy red. That's crazy. A dude?
SPEAKER_03:It would have to be a girl off the rip. Yeah, right. You know?
SPEAKER_01:Oh lord, son. I'm not getting in this car, son. Right. Oh, that's funny. Alright, so we're gonna follow up with the music. What's a song you hated at first, but now you really like?
SPEAKER_03:I would say like that acorn song. Locked up. Nobody wanna see us. But it kind of catches on you, you know. I got you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's funny, he just got locked up too. Well, he just got a rest up. He just got a rest up. But for some like shots. Yeah. Yeah. If you could have entrance music in real life, what would it be and why?
SPEAKER_03:Ooh, entrance music.
SPEAKER_02:But as soon as you walk in the door. That's fire. I wish it had to be a shit.
SPEAKER_03:It would have to be meat, meal, heaven, or hell. Okay. Niggas go to college. Come to college guy. Right. Go to hell. Yeah. So make it in the heaven. You know what I'm saying? That would have to be my intro for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Nah, you know, for the hell of it, um, go ahead. Me? Yeah, go ahead. For the hell of it. Uh-huh. Because it's it is a pretty good question, though. Actually, all of us will answer that question.
SPEAKER_04:Nah, say if I rule the world. I like that. I think that's like like the the the because to me, like everything in my life has been back to that record. Like, that was like my my introduction to everything in my life. Like when that record was popping, that's when I really started realizing the street shit and going outside and really realizing shit certain shit. And just and then like just throughout the years, going back to that record in in times of like my life, I think like that record just just everything to me. That's one of my favorite songs of all time. Mike? Honestly. And they said that I hate nines.
SPEAKER_02:Honestly, I probably would pick the Stone Cold theme song. Ah! Like it's so iconic. You hear the glass snack, it's like, yeah, it makes you excited to walk in the room. Like, yeah, I'm here. What's up?
SPEAKER_01:I like that. Nice. So I was torn on this one. I had to like look it up because I forgot the name. So it's either gonna be DMX, Lord Give Me a Sign, or Big L put it.
SPEAKER_03:I don't love that. That's that's too good.
SPEAKER_01:So either either put King God rest his soul. Yeah. X and Big L. But Big L's put it on as one of my all-time favorite. Come on, Big L, put it on. Yo, shout out to King Capri.
SPEAKER_04:Me and King Capri be talking in the DMs. He be giving me a lot of jewels, man. Kiko's that guy.
SPEAKER_01:That's fine.
SPEAKER_04:Shout out to Kick Capri.
SPEAKER_02:Mike, go ahead. Would you rather be a one-hit wonder with a massive hit or have a sustained underground following?
SPEAKER_03:A sustained underground following, for sure. You know? I think uh at 33 years old, it's about longevity. You know what I'm saying? It's about how things play out. And this has been this a that's a great segment right there because that's been weighing heavy on my spirit lately. You know what I'm saying? I feel like people ride waves and people go with trends, but trends come and go. It's all fads, right? 100%. But if you live long enough, right, as men, right, you at 30 and 25 is two different people. 100%, right? Right? So a lot of kids aren't living long enough, and a lot of men aren't speaking on those five-year gaps, those five-year differences on how different of a person that you are. If you look at 20 to 25, 25 to 30, 30 to 35, you're you're a different person. 100%. You're gonna be into different things, you're gonna value different things. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:I think our parents never taught us that.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_04:I think our parents just like they just they just wanted us to be like, I'm your fucking dad, I'm your mom, and that's who I am, and that's it. There was never the conversations like, yo, I did this as a child, I did this as a child, this is how I grew, and this is what I did, and this is what I learned. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Embarrassment is a real thing though. And sometimes they done things that they don't want their kids to know.
SPEAKER_04:We've done things that are we don't want our kids to know.
SPEAKER_01:But it's it's just one of those cycles.
SPEAKER_03:Right. I think when it comes to that, it's all about grace though. Because if you look at the position that we in now, like they were in survival mode. For me? A lot of them were, yeah. Majority of them in survival mode. Yeah. So immigrant parents, you know, first-time homeowners, first-time credit, first-time, all of these things, right? They they didn't they weren't looking on experience for their credit score or all of these things. So they mine was a on a totally like they probably emotionally the the they're stunted emotionally. Yeah, like come on, you got a you got a roof over your head, you got clothes, you got you something. You gotta fuck up and be grateful. You good, you better than I was. I had a tin roof. You know what I'm saying? And you got tiles on your floor. You know what I'm saying? But do you is that an excuse? You think so? I don't think that's an excuse. It's not an excuse, but I think um they just had different shit going on. You know what I'm saying? They just they they had to go get it. You feel me? We have we're more hybrids where we can get to work jobs that we like, we don't have to play it so safe. They they were like bus driver, city job. Like city jobs were glorified like the greatest thing in the world. It is, but that's still to this day. Oh, yes, it is. That depends on the person. You feel me? And I I I'm not that kind of person, you feel me? My that's what my mom wanted for me, but that's not what I wanted for myself.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Do you think they were in fight or flight mode? Of course. 100% fight or flight mode for me. 100%. Of course.
SPEAKER_03:My dad told me um if he had no, he didn't know he was gonna make money like that. So they took a 30-year mortgage. He's like, damn, if I had known, I would have taken a shorter one. But at the end of the day, you did what you you did what you thought was best at that term.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, a 30-year mortgage, your mortgage is gonna be less.
SPEAKER_03:So they they they're budgeting for the moment that they're in. Exactly. You feel me? So everybody's doing their best, bro. We gotta give everybody grace.
SPEAKER_04:I love I love that you say you keep you keep bringing that thing back. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Bring it giving people grace. Right, because what would you what you don't know. You don't know what you don't know. They they didn't have uh Google, AI, all in the city. Yeah, we we we're definitely spoiling your right. And then men didn't speak like that, so we weren't really sharing information, yeah, putting people on like that. So it's like you didn't. They spoke, but we just spoke about bullshit. We didn't speak about growing, we just spoke about bullshit. Bro, how many fuck niggas do we have in our family, bro? At the end of the day, it's like I did I'm the head of my family, and I'm gonna make the best decision for my family. Yeah, and that's what happened. If it works on your side, you know, it may work on my side. Maybe you still live in an apartment, maybe I'm a homeowner. So we have different, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:Nah, but and I I feel you like like we were talking about the first episode, like I come from a huge family, and and I'm a first-generation Colombian, right? My my whole my entire family's immigrants, right? So I come from that. Like they they straight survival mode, but they came here on the entrepreneurial tip, right? Like they came here and made businesses and was like, I'm gonna make a car service, I'm gonna make a party goods store, I'm not gonna work for the for somebody else type shit. Right. So I understand what you're saying. I just think I just think that more cle uh clarity on what they were going through. Right. Because I think if if they gave us more clarity on what they were going through, we had we could have had more ammunition in life as we grew. Right. I'm speaking as a child of immigrants, we wouldn't be having a lot of people. That had to figure shit out.
SPEAKER_01:Huh? Because we wouldn't all be moving in the unknown.
SPEAKER_04:Exactly. Yeah. Do you agree or no? You think so? Zo, do you agree or no? See what Zose first? No, see what Zoe say first.
SPEAKER_03:Uh man, I don't think I think for them it was no time for that shit, bro. Like, I just agree with that. Yeah, like you said, survival mode. Yeah. I know when they get like my grandmother, she's more soft spoken now. You could talk to her, she puts you on game, but until she retired, there was no real talking to her about that. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's just understanding and learning how to read the room. I think kids nowadays don't know sacrifice, right? You understand what they're saying. Nah, they don't, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? But they they just see what they want and not understand what it takes.
SPEAKER_04:Is that us, us parents? Is that us as millennial parents that because I don't have children, but I have family, like my little brother has kids, right? And he's like a soft parent. Yeah, and I'll be like, nah, f that. Raise them like race, raise, raise my my niece like mommy raised us. Right. He's like, nah, nah, nah, nah. So you think it's us, like softening our children.
SPEAKER_03:I have sons, so I'm a hybrid. I'm a hybrid between gentle parenting and belt to ass. So it's a little bit of both. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm only gonna talk to you but so much. But I also know that I don't have to, I don't have to hit you after the first time I say something. Right? It's okay for me to repeat myself a few times, but not too many times. Yeah, our parents are repeating. And then it's and then it's certain things like you know, when I come into the room and he got his little brother by the legs, and his brother's face is going to ground him like this. So that's a yo, what you doing? Like, you know what I'm saying? I got him rock though. Like you let him let him wrestle. Yeah, so you know tussle for a little bit. It depends on certain things. Certain things gotta be checked with certain energy, and I'm okay with that. You feel me? Because you know, there's consequences in life. That's a fact. I pulled up to my student's crib the other day on Friday. You know what I'm saying? His father works off the books and he leaves before them. And they twins. So you know, like, where your brother at? Uh-yeah. Uh huh. Yo, Mr. B, what you doing here? I said, He looks shot. Uh-huh. But he thought I was playing. I ain't write a check I can't cash. Right. I pulled up. If I say something, I mean it. Yeah, I pulled up on him. Uh-huh. I said, I see you more than.
SPEAKER_04:Oh no, you say you're students. And I'm sorry if I if I miss something. Oh, that's what I missed in the intro. He's a dean. Yeah, I'm a dean at a high student. You a dean? Oh, hold on, son. That states the whole dynamic. I'll be right back. I'm a motherfucker. I was I the deans in my school were either my worst enemy or my best friend. Yeah. I love deans. Right. I love deans. So you're the dean of a high school.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, indictment.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you the one that really connects with the kids. Yo, I live, this is my life. Yeah, you Dean, like, for those that don't know, deans in any school in New York City, I don't know about anywhere else in the country, but in New York City specifically, deans are the ones that are the ones that are the disciplinarians, but they're also the ones that that connect with the children and the kids that are in the school. Like, they're the ones that are like really out there, really putting, like you said, belt the ass or give an ear because shit be fed up in these in these streets in New York City. So for that, my brother as a dean, I know that shit is crazy.
SPEAKER_03:I know I put my deans through hell. So I know. Yeah, this year three for me. Year three? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Before we continue on this, Mike also has uh experience in working in high schools, right?
SPEAKER_02:No, I'm the little kids. Oh, you're the little pre-K to fifth. Okay. So I try to get them before they get to you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's my next step. That's my next step. So working with the little kids. I'm gonna be here as long as God needs me, but I want to go to middle school.
SPEAKER_02:Middle school is by far the hardest out of all the grades because of puberty.
SPEAKER_04:They're like in that middle ground.
SPEAKER_02:Like they're about to either go all the way bad or and it's literally puberty. There's something that they can't help. That's the first time their hormones are hitting. Middle school is by far the hardest to deal with.
SPEAKER_03:It's from a loving place. You feel me? It's like the a balance of tough love.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think people forget that discipline means love. Yes. If you don't love someone, then you're not going to discipline that kid. If you don't care for them, if you don't have that, take that time out, then you're not going to discipline them because you don't care. The fact that you do care and the fact that you're taking the time out to be like, no, this is the wrong way. You need to go down this path. I'm trying to tell you something. That means you care and you you are showing and you being active.
SPEAKER_04:And a dean like you that that you could tell you've been through shit and you you come from a certain cloth. I'm sure your students are receptive to that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, my students don't play about me. I love them just as much as they love me. You know what I'm saying? Because I get it. I'm from the South Bronx. So I get it. Every little scenario, I've seen it, I've been from it. I totally understand. And that's why I understand the sidewalks is the best place to be, bro. Because a lot of y'all ain't built like that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's why they made sidewalks because the streets ain't for everybody. Streets ain't for everybody.
SPEAKER_02:The funny thing you be though, when you find one that is built like that and trying to make them go the opposite way. But that's the thing. You make your bad.
SPEAKER_03:You know when he built like that. Exactly. Most of these kids be folding. I can show y'all text messages. Yo, Mr. B, chill. I got other info for you. You gotta get to the fucking. I'm like, yo, I'm telling them, listen. I got info. Most of y'all won't hold water. That's a fact. And I'm just the dean. Mm-hmm. What about the federality? Yo, Sunset, though. Yo, I got info. You gotta relax, bro. That's crazy. I had a little situation. A former student came and snuffed one of my current students. And former student, like he graduated already? And he transferred. Oh, okay. Right? So I did him a courtesy and I called his father. For me? I could have let the family call the cops. I'm not responsible for them all. But now I haven't seen him since. I told him, don't come to Dike me, bro. Right. Like, just don't come over here, bro. Especially if you're gonna cause, like, this is your one-time courtesy. Yeah. I mean, I call his pops, we got that squared away, but I could have let the family do whatever they wanted to do. Yeah. I don't owe you nothing. Right? But he went above and beyond for your. Right, yeah. But he put me onto a situation I didn't even know what happened. Right? All because he folded.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Right? So I found out about a fight that happened in the staircase I didn't even know about. Right. Sent me a video and everything. Oh nah. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, that's the crazy thing that today they got videos. I got QCRs in my school for Sessive Five. Yeah? Yeah, chop cheese and$10 take you a long way. I know that. I know that's a fact. Think about it. I'm gonna put you on. Think about it. You don't got it. You're trying to hang out after school. Yeah. I can use a little$10 to go hang out with your friends. You have to hang out. You don't got it. But you got the info. Right. That's bordering school.
SPEAKER_04:That's how I know I grew up in a different era because there was no CIs in my school.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_03:And the CI save a sweet 16. Yeah, man. They was gonna go jump the girl. That's crazy. I see how they could. I had to give them sexy bread. Sexy bread. Yeah, they were gonna jump the girl. No Cardi. Cardi, this is your fault. I had to call mom Duke, so you had to uninvite some people. And I went to the Sweet 16. Oh, you was just putting up the phone. And then I went. And I went again. Okay. Feel me? Make sure she was good. You know how that father's side of the family. They would have got people.
SPEAKER_02:You don't know. You don't know people whose parents and whose family be bugged out here.
SPEAKER_03:That that little girl father family? Oh it was gonna they was never.
SPEAKER_02:Oh no, burning Vernon. No.
SPEAKER_04:That was they get it confused. Like up like nah, Mount Vernon get it popping. Oh, you from upstate now. That's not a big thing. Diddy's from Mount Vernon. Don't play Diddy. That's enough baby ball for one night.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, so uh last question. What TV show would you have liked to have been on or would like to currently be on? It's a crazy left turn that we just. That's a good one, man.
SPEAKER_03:I would have liked to have been in Static Shock. I love that show.
SPEAKER_02:Shit.
SPEAKER_03:Black superhero. That's the right thing. The original Virginia. Rest in peace, Virgil. That's my first Virgin. That's fire. Hell yeah, me and Static Shock. They was on channel 11.
SPEAKER_04:Afternoon cartoon type shit. Hell yeah. Shock was classic. That was my shit. Classic.
SPEAKER_03:That's the original Virgil.
SPEAKER_01:That'd be dope. We'll run it around. What's yours? What's yours? Fresh Prince of Belair. That'd be fire.
SPEAKER_02:That'd be fire. Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
SPEAKER_04:Hell yeah. Like what? From the hood. Coming from where I come from, where we come from, type shit. You know, they're going to get a chance. And just be in a mansion. Right. You know what I mean? Like you got everything. Like, yo, I come from where I come from here and gunshots and shit. I'm in a mansion now.
SPEAKER_02:Eating grapeful pump.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like I got a butler named Jeffrey. Jeffrey making me sandwiches? I'm a fat guy. Like, listen. Yo, come on, son. Like, I'm gonna say. Yeah, Uncle Phil, like, he would have probably beat my ass, but it's not like though. It's love. It's love. It's love. Love. It's discipline. Discipline. It's like like Zoe said. Discipline.
SPEAKER_03:But you see, we gotta highlight Uncle Phil, though. Because our era, men stepped up. Men don't step up in this era. And that's part of it. Because they think they're females. Your father, your mother's brother, your uncle, your grandfather. Your father wasn't there, is tough. But there was a male role model, and a man did step up. Right. Right? Whether it was your mother's friend or father or uncle or brother or somebody. You know, men took that. Alright, cool. I'ma take that responsibility. And you were responsible for your nephew. I feel responsible for my nieces and nephews. That's why I have the relationship that I have with them, bro. Because your father not here, I'm an extension of your father. Exactly. I mean, I tell my nieces, yo, don't call no nigga for$40, please. Call me. Call me, bro. Because I don't need no little nigga talking to you crazy. But he gave you a couple dollars. Call your godfather. I'm right here.
SPEAKER_01:I think, Mike, you're the same with your niece, right? Because I see his on Instagram.
SPEAKER_02:He's always whenever you need some sneakers. I got you. Nikes, all that, whatever. You want a bag? I think I want no Burger than anything. I ain't gonna get no Burkins. But we get a Nike bag. We're gonna get some. That go with your thing. And look, in the inside, I'll throw a little Sephora gift card in the back.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but beyond the monetary, beyond the monetary, just being there, being present, being an extension of if they if like I got I got nieces, right? Um my sister's side and my brother's side. So like let's just say my brother's side. If he's not there, I'm an extension of my brother. So she knows that already. Like when she's with me, she knows I'm an extension of a father. Right. And I treat her as such, like yo, P double. I got you. I'm anything that you need, I am here for you in any capacity that you need me. And the same thing with my sister's uh kids and her daughter. I'm here for you in any capacity that you need me. Whether financially, morally, if you need me to beat somebody up, I got you. I'm here. Like that, but that's what you said is what's missing. Right. Because no men from this generation, for some reason, they just didn't step up.
SPEAKER_01:So was what do you think that was the last of the village? Was that the like the last era of like uh somewhat of a village? The village don't exist no more. No, you can't like a remnant of the village?
SPEAKER_02:No, none of that exists no more.
SPEAKER_03:It's not a shit.
SPEAKER_02:Just like even back in the day, you could be doing something outside. Say you dropped something or something broke on the floor. The the lady in your building that your mom knew that been there for 20 years, hey, what you doing? Why you broke the vase? Nowadays, with that happen, the parent gets upset at the person for saying something to their children in the first place. Don't talk to my children. Well, parents get mad at the the teachers. Hold on, but could you consider that the village? No, that's why that's why I say there is no village. There's a village. Okay, you can't even have the communication anymore. I'm from Netlands.
SPEAKER_01:There was still a village. Like 15, 20 years ago, there was we still had a village, but that's why I'm asking for New York. Yeah, I don't I don't think some type of For me there was.
SPEAKER_03:In my era there was, for sure. 100%.
SPEAKER_01:So it was like the last, like the I mean, like I said, our errors anybody 25 and under.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like probably not. You don't have that.
SPEAKER_02:Like Chance the Rapper said, there's no more old men. And like that's a big problem. All men just want to be high-ends. Mm-hmm. But just real, like just having that old dude that be at the barbershop that then retired already, that's played checkers all day, but he has like a multi-barbershop shop. Right. But you could talk to that dude and get mad wisdom from this old man who've been living life already. And we don't have that anymore. Damn it, between that and people, their health is not the same either. People don't take care of themselves. People are dying at 40 and 50, way too early. So we're missing a generation of people to even get to the old man park. That generation is gone. We don't have it. I don't know what the next 25 is gonna look like.
SPEAKER_01:It's gonna be very interesting. It's gonna be like Fallout. It's just gonna be dystopia. Mm-hmm. Oh, wait. You said your TV show? Oh no. Uh the Cosby Show.
SPEAKER_02:I definitely so static, uh Fresh Prince, Cosby. I would have loved to have just been in Brooklyn at that time, living a completely different lifestyle.
SPEAKER_04:But hold on, son. I gotta beef with the Cosby show, bro. This is like Brooklyn in the 80s. Where the f was that? Stick is. If I know from Brooklyn in the 80s, it was a different place, bro.
SPEAKER_02:There was no Cosby show in the brook in Brooklyn. But not every part was bad. At the same with the Bronx, Manhattan, no matter where you're in the next one. So they don't find a neighborhood or two. Where though? But like, look, those are all what? What's them kind of houses called?
SPEAKER_03:Blackstones. Brownstones.
SPEAKER_02:Brownstones. Those are brownstones. Brownstones usually. There's brownstones and bed stock. Yeah, no, they are. That's what I'm saying. But this area where they was, it was cool. They had a nice house. Okay, everything.
SPEAKER_04:Where in the 80s in Brooklyn did that take place? Where were they in their house? Where were they?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, exactly. They would be living somewhere else, not in Brooklyn. But they kept it in the 80s. They had five kids that all went to college and stuff. They ain't had that mother's game.
SPEAKER_04:Another thing. How? In the 80s in Brooklyn, where five children are all going to be college kids.
SPEAKER_02:It's not. I think it was the age gas. Right. Because Cassandra drops out of Princeton. Then Denise goes to Hillman and drops out. Dio is the only one that technically graduates. He went to NYU. He was like the troublemaker. And he was dyslexic. He was the messed up with Recipes of Malcolm Jamal.
SPEAKER_04:I always had that beef with like Cosby because I knew that Cosby's show was in was in Brooklyn and it's in the 80s, like early 90s. And I remember. Isn't Fort Green nice? Fort Green? That's where the original 50 Cent was from. He was robbing everything moving.
SPEAKER_03:I'm a stick to my Bronx now.
SPEAKER_04:Fort Green is nice today. You know what I'm saying? But back then, hell no.
SPEAKER_02:I'm trying to see where this real because it's a real place. It gotta be like Brooklyn Heights or some shit. Hold on.
SPEAKER_04:It gotta be like Brooklyn Heights. That was 16 questions. Technical house was in Manhattan. Alright, Manhattan. It was in Brooklyn. Okay, okay. Oh, the real house, but it was still took place in Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_02:It was placed in Brooklyn, but the real house is in Manhattan and Greenwich Village. That's what I see what you're saying. That makes sense. But in the show, they're in Brooklyn, in the show. Yeah, but quotation. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:Greenwich Village makes sense.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, so we'll just end us off. I'll just say Wayne Brothers for myself. I love New York in the 90s look cool as shit. Growing up in the Caribbean, New York in the 90s looked like it was the place.
SPEAKER_04:When I was a young kid watching the WB and watching the Wayne's Brothers, I always wanted to dress like Marlin.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Marlin had the flyest shit on. He had the flyest shit. Sean dressed like business casual. It was business casual. He just dressed like he like he went to Diddy parties. Right. But you know what I'm saying? Marlin, like, I don't know. He was always that's the little brother, though. Yeah, he was a great one out of the cocoo. The cuckoo shit. Nah, but the cuckoo shit, that's the real 90s New York Street. Is it the father pass too? Yeah, pop up. Shit, rest in peace, pop. That cuckoo shit. That's New York City 90 shit. That cuckoo shit. Like, I remember growing up in my neighborhood.
unknown:Cuckoo!
SPEAKER_04:Like, that was just skin. Skew! That was before cell phones type shit.
SPEAKER_03:That's either a positive thing or a negative thing. But either way, look. Either way, don't do nothing more.
SPEAKER_04:It could be meant for you and it could not. Uh-huh. But look. You can either be being called by a friend or being robbed by an enemy. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Head on a swivel.
SPEAKER_04:That's terrifying.
SPEAKER_01:Head on a swivel. Head on a swivel. That's terrifying. Alright, guys. So that was the randomizer. Um, and now we get to the main questions, which we call the human nature questions. These are gonna be a little bit deeper, not darker, but it's just meant to kind of show who you are as a person. Right. Is uh so Mike, you want to start with the first one or you want me to start? Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Uh, what's a childhood memory that still shapes how you see the world today?
SPEAKER_03:Childhood memories that still shapes how I see the world today. I would say the way my father invested in our education. So I went to public school to third grade. And then fourth grade, I went to Catholic school. But he put all my siblings in Catholic school. So my father used to be a building porter. So he used to work on these buildings in Tremont, and a porter is a person that throws out the trash and all that stuff. Like it usually like three buildings. Right. So he worked all of that, and I seen him learn how to do tiles, get in a tile union, and the first thing he did was to pull us all out of public school and put us in Catholic school. Shout out to that to me. Was um it was a changing moment because uh public school in the South Bronx was a wild place. Like, you know, that was I think that was the end of the metal trade era. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They was you know what what you call them things, the the instruments they go bum, you know what I'm saying? The symbols. Yo, bro, dudes was dudes was knocking dudes' heads off. And that's when you had the plastic trays and a different material trade because you was getting smoked with a metal trade and that that could probably pack you up. No, pack you the fuck up. Yeah, so just the difference of environment, destruction, and discipline. Um Catholic school was great, bro, is where I really started to flourish. So um that was a pivotal childhood memory for sure.
SPEAKER_01:That's cool. That's crazy. I because when I moved up here, I came from all private school, moved up here, went to Newton High School. Overpopulated. The opposite.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. And Newtown High School was we're from like kind of like the same neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like Newtown was like the zone school for like Jackson Heights, Corona, Woodside, and like Queens. You know where the Queen Center is?
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah, it's by there. And Newtown, Newtown is like, yes, it goes, it goes down.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's crazy. I did the the switch. Alright, so next question. How do you recharge when life feels heavy?
SPEAKER_03:I pray.
unknown:You know.
SPEAKER_03:This year. I need to learn that. We could talk about it. You know what I'm saying? For sure. This year has been a challenging year. You know, um, it this year feels like mad years in one. You know what I'm saying? I lost my mother in January. Condolences. You know. Sorry, my brother. Yeah, I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying? Um me and my girl split up in May. So it's been a lot of different family dynamics, but the best thing that I've found is my relationship with God. Feel me? So prayer in the beginning of the day and at night is the way I start and end my day. You know, I I get up about 15 minutes earlier and I have that moment with him. Um, journaling has helped a lot, reading has helped a lot, and it's crazy. Um, I've learned the difference between an open mind and an open heart. Right? Oh, if you want to learn business, you probably need an open mind. If you want a relationship with God, you need an open heart. Feel me? So if you don't do it with an open heart, it won't move you. I used to read the I read the Bible mad times, but it never moved me. I didn't have an open heart. Feel me? So having an open heart now has really changed my life. Um accepting the word and reading the words. And it's crazy because um shout out to my girl too. She's she's really helped me with that too. So having a woman that's in Christ helps a lot too, because she keeps you on the path. Yeah, you could talk about you look happy. Yo, thank you. You look happy. Yeah, you know, no, no shade to nobody though. No shade to nobody. Uh-huh. But he knows he he he he been through a lot with me, you know what I'm saying? Um, but um August 21st is my father's birthday, right? My father passed away 10 years ago, so I lost my dad in 2015. And um, it's usually a sad day, bro. Like, it usually just is just a just a day where I go to the cemetery, I drink, I I just go through it, right? And she was like, yo, read the book of Ephesians and call me afterwards. Right? And I read the book of Ephesians. And I when I say it don't hit me the same no more, it's like I let it all go. Like, and pretty much in a nutshell, it's like living a meaningless, meaningful life. You know what I mean? So if we say rest in peace, then that should give me the peace that my mother's better off. My mother is and my father are better off now than they were. So you should be here. There's nothing to be sad about. They're in the glory. They in the glory. That's that's that's what it that's what we want. They ain't heaven. So they're doing better than everybody in this room. So why be sad? And you don't hear me no more like it did, bro. I used to be sad as fuck, bro. Like super sad.
SPEAKER_04:And you do you think that that was like more of a of a of a of a more selfish feeling? Because they're not here, they're here for your emotional needs.
SPEAKER_03:It's a blend of everything, bro. You want them here. Um, you also miss your parents, the memories. My family's not that close. We're working on that. Okay. But it's just a habit, bro. But when you learn it biblically, you learn it like you you just make peace with it, bro. Yeah. And it really has helped me a lot.
SPEAKER_02:Love that.
SPEAKER_01:I love that.
SPEAKER_02:Love that. Before I ask the next one, do you have a favorite Bible verse?
SPEAKER_03:Ooh, I got one right now. That's actually good. I got one right now. It's my screensaver. Um, it's Philippians, what's that, 413? Yep, I know that. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. A man who draws his strength from God can never be broken. He prays, he's overwhelmed, he prays again, he worships, he's burning with anger. He worships again, he trusts he's a mess inside. He trusts again, he hopes, he's crushed by despair, he hopes again. Um, how do I take this? Oh, don't allow right here. Uh he trusts again, he hopes, he's crushed by despair, he hopes again. It's not perfect. Some mornings getting out of bed feels impossible. But he knows through faith all things are possible. That man is you reading this right now. If you're not ashamed of Jesus Christ, send it to a brother in faith. Lord, I choose this, just I choose to share this prayer. Use my weakness for your strength. Put amen and put shame to shame.
SPEAKER_04:Amen. That's dope. No matter what, give don't give up. Don't give up, bro. That's it. God is above you down.
SPEAKER_03:And it's crazy, bro, because I'm sorry if if I'm taking too much time, but this thing, this thing that uh I tatted on me that I I put it before I actually knew the meaning. Right? So right now on this arm and this arm it says the Lord is my strength. What does that prayer say? So it's like you you you're gonna I've always been like close to it. You declare it, no manifest. You declare it. You declare it up. Right? But I've always been like tattling, like straddling the fence. Right. Right? I and if you look at my Instagram, even when I made my Instagram, I put God as the plug, right? I've always called him the plug, right? Before I even really believed it, I knew God is the plug, right?
SPEAKER_04:That means that means the higher self and the higher you already was talking to you before you before you even was talking to yourself. Right. God is always gonna give you a nudge, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, God put a mir in my life. That's a fact. Amir came at a time where I just needed that somebody believe me and push. And that's Amir, bro. Right. And I know God sent him in my life, bro. That's why I always think him. Every single time. He says show up, I showed up.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. No questions.
SPEAKER_03:No questions.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, ask me enough. I'm there. That's it.
SPEAKER_02:And that's one of those, like you said, God put that in you. But faith without works is dead.
SPEAKER_03:It's dead.
SPEAKER_02:So you gotta put that faith out there and you gotta actually put the work in after God then planted the seed. You gotta put the water on it, you gotta make it grow. And it's on you. You gotta actually go do it. So that's what's up. Um when was the last time you surprised yourself?
SPEAKER_03:You know, man. Amir said it earlier, you know. I don't like to boast. I mean I'm super humble about things. And I know God has has put me in position for me. So I would say, like, as long as you're as long as you do right by what he gives you, everything, he'll multiply it, right? So slice of excellence has been around five years. We started doing COVID, you know. Um, so I've surprised myself by having a 7th Street Burger Partnership, Up NYC, Fat Joe, all these things that we've been able to do. Shout out to Pratt. And I don't got the money to do all these things, right? But Latier Construction funds the haircuts every year. So we do back to school haircuts. We did 80 kids last year in the Bronx. Um, pick a teacher, pick a sneaker is the third time coming this year where students nominate their favorite teacher and they go sneaker shopping together. This is a NYC, right? That's a Fabric. Hold on, ball up.
SPEAKER_04:So Fabers are part of what a student picks the teacher and they both go shopping together, and then who funds it? Um Seven Street Burger. Fire.
SPEAKER_03:So I've been able to cultivate all these relationships, bro. And Seven Street Burger reached out to me on the gram. And we've been friends ever since, bro. Fire. You know what I'm saying? I ran and then I had a pick a teacher, pick a sneaker was a dream that I had. That I woke up in the middle of the night, I wrote it down. I bump into Fat Joe in the street and we talk about it, and it happens every year now. Shout out to Crack, man. You know what I'm saying? So definitely shout out to Ruby, his whole team, shout out to Chris. Yeah, Fat Joe calls you slice. He calls me Slice, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you know, even even when I get, you know, I sometimes I get blessed with it with sneakers and all that, they put the pizza guy on it. And I'm proud of it. And I'm proud to be the pizza guy, bro, because it's it's with good reasons.
SPEAKER_04:But this is the type of shit because I'm I'm a big advocate about, you know, just good, like putting the spotlight on good people. Right. And like you are a great person. And I feel like bad fat Joe gets a bad rap a lot. And this story, like, just just this, like, because I'm known to always like big up fat Joe. And I and people hate on me for that shit. But see, this is what I'm talking about. Like, crack does things for the community, like, that people don't even know about. Nobody knew that he did this until you spoke about it right now. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03:Shout out to Rich the Player, too.
SPEAKER_04:Rich the player, yeah. That whole the whole team, man, like they do great things for the community, and you're part of that, and you do great things for the community, and like it's a it's incredible.
SPEAKER_03:I think to bridge the gap between the two worlds, because I think I'm a bridge between a lot of different worlds, uh a lot of different communities. Um people know people for different reasons, right? So if you was in the streets doing shit with Fat Joe, then that's a whole different crack. Right? You know what I'm saying? Like, y'all know each other through a whole different dynamic, right? I'm a dean at a high school, I have a nonprofit in a podcast. So my dealings were up in my scene crack is totally different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not gonna know, yeah. Yeah, you talking about block stuff. That's not true. But that's what I'm saying. Like with me, like I try to emphasize that part. Yeah, but the majority of the people know him from a different life, a different time in his life. But we all had that. Right. That's what I'm saying. We all have been through that. Grace, right? Grace and evolve, grow up. You feel me?
SPEAKER_04:Like we all give people grace, man. Give people grace and grow up, bro. And we shouldn't judge people for who they were 10, 15 years ago. And give some motion. Especially if they grown.
SPEAKER_01:That's a fact. Alright, so to follow up with when was the last time you surprised yourself? Number eight kind of falls really well into it. What emotion do you find hardest to express?
SPEAKER_03:Emotion that I find hardest to express. That's a really good question. I would say gratitude. And I think with gratitude is is something that we sometimes pick and choose when we wanna, you know, um show appreciation and gratitude towards certain things. So, like I said, God has been so so good to me in many different facets of my life that I need to be consistent in showing that gratitude, right? And and gratitude, sometimes people feel like, well, I have nothing to be grateful for because I ain't winning mega millions. But all my senses work. I woke up today, feel me, I got a roof on my head, a pretty decent car, my kids are healthy, their mother's healthy, my girlfriend's healthy, so there's a lot to be grateful for. Right. Yeah, so I think overall, like just being consistent and being and grateful for everything, whether I feel like it's good for me or not. Because in the long run, everything benefits you whether you like it or not. You just gotta see the positive of it, and it's all perspective.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it is. So it's funny you say grateful, but that's one of the questions. So we're just gonna delete that question. Yeah, we're just gonna get rid of it. Um, Mike, you wanna go with full?
SPEAKER_02:Sure. If you could pick any actor to play you in a movie, who would you pick and why?
SPEAKER_03:Hmm. I think it would have to be Morgan Freeman.
unknown:Nice.
SPEAKER_03:Because I'm I'm I'll be on my Joe Clark at school. Like they need they need Joe Clark. Yeah, they need Joe Clark, bro. Like, yeah, yeah. My kids know like when I don't play, yeah. Jump.
unknown:Yeah, jump. Jump.
SPEAKER_03:Feel me? Like, uh-uh. Because some certain things, bro, like you had you like you sometimes you have to meet extreme with extreme. Yeah. Like what he I think the movie's based out of Newark. Yep. In New Jersey. What he was facing, bro, he had to be crack era, bro. Yeah, he had to be in the 80s, right? Different aggressive aggressive. He had to be consistent. These YNs was those YNs was different from these Yans. You know what I'm saying? And they more, they parents is they on crack. That's a different thing. Burnt down buildings, break down buildings, you know what I'm saying? So I think he had to be extreme because what he was dealing with was extreme. And Morgan Freeman would have been the perfect because I I understand both. Like, I I got, I don't want, I got, I mean, I make kids do push-ups when they late. I love that. Like, there's certain I love that. I love that. Because as a man, there's gonna be consequences, like, life is gonna be so much harder on.
SPEAKER_04:That's black shit, though. That's black shit. That's black shit. Like you get the big homies used to make you, the OGs, yo, you do you do fucked up shit, do push-ups. Do push-ups.
SPEAKER_03:You feel me? You know, so it's about that accountability, man. Knowing that there's consequences for your action, bro. Knowing that your situation could be worse, bro. There's people, there's this, let's say people, there's people that have been taken in by family members, right? You don't know what it's like to be awarded to the state. You don't know what it's like to be in a shelter, temporary housing, none of that, bro. Like your grandmother took you in, your sit your mother's sister took you. I got you know, kids that they live with their mother's sister. Feel me? Damn. So you don't know, so bro, you you you could have been awarded to the state and been playing group homes. Group homes. You know what I'm saying? You don't know what you could have been through, right? So you gotta do it. Group homes ain't waiting, bro.
SPEAKER_02:But that's not someone in a worse situation than you. Yep, listen. So be grateful for what you have.
SPEAKER_03:Social workers hope a family member steps up. But guess what?
SPEAKER_02:A little bit of other things to an actual person who cares, right? Because you do have people who will just step up and he could only do so much.
SPEAKER_04:Of course. That's the thing. Right. He could only get involved by so much.
SPEAKER_02:But at the same time with pre-K through fifth grade, it's the same thing with these little kids. You got little pre-K kids that tell the teacher, I will stab you.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Pre-K, little four-year-olds with a scissor talking about I won't cut you. And they mean it. And it is a little four-year-old. So imagine what they've been through already before we even get to school. You got kids that be hungry when they get to school. So you can't eat you can't even worry about teaching. Smell bad.
SPEAKER_03:They don't need to have a showered in 10 days. The whole child. You gotta focus on the whole child. Alright.
SPEAKER_02:It's not just the teaching aspect. There's a lot that goes into it before we even get to teaching. There's a lot of stuff that you have to check socially and emotionally just from the rip before we even get to all right, now let's teach you your ABCs. Let's teach you your one, two, threes. Let's just teach you to be a good person first. Say please.
SPEAKER_04:What you were just saying about yeah, like just yeah, going through the system, that movie Prison Song.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Oh, yeah, Q Tit.
SPEAKER_04:Powerful movie, man. So that's the first movie in my life, in my life, that ever made me cry.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, bro. Super. I used to be a couple of years. Probably the only movie that ever made me cry. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Because of how the ending, just everything, how just everything just happens and then how it ends. It's like, bro, what the great cast too.
SPEAKER_03:Mary J. Gladge in that movie. Yep. You know what I'm saying? But he went through a lot, bro. You know what I'm saying? He went through everything. He went through it. To still be successful in the way it ended up.
SPEAKER_04:And then when they end it, shit, bro. So while go watch Prison Song. Prison Song. Prison Song.
SPEAKER_01:Keep that in mind. I haven't seen that song. I'm gonna keep that in mind. So uh is that is that you or me? No, it's you. Is it you? It's me right now. Okay, um, what motivates you to go after your goals?
SPEAKER_03:So um I wanna st I'm gonna start here, right? So right now I'm on a journey of restarting and finishing things that I started and didn't finish. Right? So I just finished uh a 40-day alcohol fast. Oh I did that. Nice. Um I did draw July, but I only did 28 days. And why I say it's 40, because it's a book that comes with it. And you're supposed to read a chapter a day. So I made it to 28 days, but I only read about 17 or 18 pages uh chapters. Got it. So I f I finished the 40 day fast with the book, right? As a person that's very enthusiastic and passionate and obsessive, um, I could start 10 things at once and be in it, but then it's gonna be 10 things that I didn't finish. Right. So I've been learning to think things one by one and just finish them. Right. Right. So is that do you think you have ADHD? No, I'm just overly ambitious and um I'm kind of a person that I don't want to wait nine months to start. I'ma start and figure it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? So now we are a mover. Yeah, I'm a move. So now I'm gonna just take that one by one.
SPEAKER_04:Even if I don't finish it, I just wanna yeah, it started.
SPEAKER_03:But I'm gonna finish. Yeah. Now I'm in the process of finishing.
SPEAKER_04:100%.
SPEAKER_03:So uh what motivates me now is is my children and my legacy. You know how many. How many kids do you have, I have two sons, yeah, Hendrix and Lennox, Henny and Lenny. Those are my bullshit. Henny and Levin.
SPEAKER_02:I like that. I like that.
SPEAKER_01:Nice mic.
SPEAKER_02:All right, last question we got in the human nature segment. What's the best way to support you when you're going through a hard time?
SPEAKER_03:Pray for me. Pray with me. Pray for me and pray with me.
SPEAKER_01:Let's get an amen on that. Amen. Let's get an amen on that. The easiest thing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. The easiest thing. Keep you in your thoughts and press. T's and peas. That's what they mean by T's and P's. That's what T's and P's is. Thoughts and press.
SPEAKER_01:T's and T's and P's. That's okay. That's toilet paper. That's weird.
SPEAKER_02:No, not toilet paper.
SPEAKER_04:Yo, me, are you good? You good? That's what I'm doing. That's your flavor of autism. That was your flavor of autism.
SPEAKER_00:That's your flavor of autism.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, so that was the uh that was the the reflection, reflection round, reflection round. And now we're gonna go into the closeout. No. No, this is the reflection. This is a reflection. Yes. I apologize for that. We we're still pretty new at this. Well, I'm still pretty new at this. So we're going to close out or the reflection round right now. Um, and we have just a few questions. You didn't have to pick anything. These are just questions that we asked to close out the uh the podcast. Right. Um, I'll start off. Um, what's one thing life has taught you recently? Let's say within the last five years.
SPEAKER_03:I think um we could just stick to this yeah. Yeah, man, you know, God has to come first. You know, and you can't pick and choose when that happens. So there's no being selective about God at all. He comes first. So I always say, you know, he's he's batting lead-off in my life. You know what I'm saying? Derry G the bad lead off for the Yankees, and God bats lead off in my life. So there's no being selective about that.
SPEAKER_04:When you say you don't choose when that happens, right? But is it is it because you don't choose when you really start accepting God in your life? Or when you have that realization, or is it just Well, once you know, so here's the thing, right?
SPEAKER_03:God protects women and fools. Right? God protects women and fools. Okay. Right? So once you know who God is, you're responsible for it now. Right? So premarital sex is a sin, yes or no? Yes it is. So you can't pick and choose, right? You can't say God is the plug, and then now you're having sex before marriage. Okay. Right? So people wanna what works for them and tailor it for what works for them. But the rules are the rules, and that's how it goes. So I'm learning to accept everything that comes with God, and I'm on that journey now.
SPEAKER_01:Love that.
SPEAKER_02:Damn. If you could have dinner with one person from history, who would you pick and what?
SPEAKER_04:And don't say Jay-Z.
SPEAKER_02:They told me that last week.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, don't say Jay-Z.
SPEAKER_03:One person from history.
SPEAKER_01:So for example, last last week you said uh early version of my father.
SPEAKER_04:No younger version of my father.
SPEAKER_01:And then Mike, you said.
SPEAKER_00:What did I say?
SPEAKER_01:Massamus. Massamusa. Massamuson, I think I said Christopher Columbus. Yeah. Because I'd want to know what was going through his entire thought process of everything that he did. Right. From when I think it was the Portuguese sent him out on their on his uh exploration to when he ended up in the Americas and you know, quote unquote discovered this place.
SPEAKER_03:Can I give two? Yeah. Sure. I would say Jeff Ford and I would say Dr. Sevy.
SPEAKER_02:Jeff Ford?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Why Jeff Ford?
SPEAKER_03:Because he was a revolutionary, bro. Like what he did at his age, because when you hear, when you hear it, when you learn about him and you hear about everything he did, he sounded like he was in his 40s and 50s. And for a guy that that was under the age of 25 to be such an activist and shape shape up the city of Chicago and have his breakfast programs and how he ran the Black Panther Party. Is that Chicago?
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, just so he was the originator of the Black Panther Party? Okay, okay. He was one of the most prolific leaders of the Black Panther Party. Okay. And he wasn't even 25 years old.
SPEAKER_04:So almost like not at the same magnitude, but almost like Pac in a way. Yeah. Because a lot of people say Pac was under 25, and the way that he thought and the things that he was trying to do. Didn't say he was a revolutionary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So if you watch Judas and the Black Messiah, that's based off Jeff Ford. Right. All those, all those different groups. Yeah, Fred Hampton, all of that, you know what I'm saying? Everything they had going on. Yes. Feel me? So Fred Hampton's another one. Rest in peace outside of Shakur.
SPEAKER_02:18 got killed. Yeah. Fred Hampton was 18 when he got killed. Shit. And like think about what he did.
SPEAKER_04:That's what I'm saying. Back in those days, like people got really involved with the things that were happening in the community very early. Right. Because he was so prevalent, too.
SPEAKER_02:But like that's the reason why we have free breakfast in schools. Because of the Black Panthers. Yeah. The government felt so embarrassed that organization was doing this on their own. That, all right, we have to give these kids something to eat.
SPEAKER_03:And that goes back to what I said. We have more success in segregation than we did in integration.
SPEAKER_04:That's something that very, very, very like I like I like that because I've heard that a lot. I've heard that when because I'm Latino. Well, you're Latino too, but you're you're I'm more white passing, you're more black passing. But I've heard that in in the era of segregation, the the the black community had a lot more. They they they they ran what could because they ran everything for themselves, they looked out for themselves and they made sure that everything was as great as they could be for themselves. And I and I see a lot of people speaking on that today, where it's like maybe segregation wasn't such a bad thing. No, it wasn't. That's a conversation that's happening a lot today. That's an interesting conversation.
SPEAKER_01:You know, interesting conversation.
SPEAKER_02:That's a long conversation. It's one of those where it's like back in the day we did have our own, and that forced you to keep the black dollar in the community. In the community, yeah, exactly. It's because we we stepped out and went to other stuff we thought white was better, and it wasn't. They didn't like us, they never wanted us. And that's one of those, we can get that mindset back, but it takes time.
SPEAKER_04:No, but I say that because I grew up in a and I said this last week about I grew up in a very Colombian neighborhood, right? Everybody in the neighborhood was Colombian, all the businesses, mostly all the people. So I I kind of grew up in in a segregation kind of thing, and seeing how like everybody kind of like looked out for each other in that sense. You know, like everybody, like every business, you protect every business, you made sure everybody was good. I don't give a fuck. Everybody was, yo, you good, you're good. What we need, no, oh, every it was like that. So I could imagine that it was kind of like almost the same thing.
SPEAKER_03:Right. And then uh Dr. Sevy, man, you know, his dietary, you know, um his booklet, his nutrition, um, the all the patients that he cured. Um he it was Dr. Sevy, I believe, against the United States of America, you know, him against the government, him bringing 80 to 90 people of different things that he cured, right? And he's enduring too. So he's a man that um, you know, all of this stuff that that we see now, um, whether seamoss and plant-based diets and fruit diets, and that's all him. You know, that's all him, bro. Like, and he was world pronounced, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:So didn't he win the case of like he he was claiming that he cured AIDS? Yeah, and then they they took him to court for that, and then he won, he beat that case.
SPEAKER_03:That's where he brought the 80 people that he cured. Yeah, yeah. He he bought 10 patients with multiple different uh test results, you know, saying that they were negative. You know what I'm saying? So um, you know, definitely a device.
SPEAKER_04:And that's something that really needs to be spoken about more.
SPEAKER_02:Like, what the hell? It never I think I think Nipsey was. I mean, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:We I mean we do live in the United States of America. Wasn't Nipsey trying to do something with it? Yeah, yeah. That's one of the reasons that that's a conspiracy theory that's that's one of the reasons. Oh, yeah, yeah. They say left eye died because of the iconic. So left eye died in Honduras. Yeah, she died in Honduras, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:She was there with uh with uh Dr. Saviour. We need to protect Styles in them at all costs, right? People be getting their black seed oil and stuff like that. So no, we need to protect Styles. Yeah, we need that. How do we get them as a sponsor? Life as a sponsor? If you talk to Styles, because Styles is actually in the stores. Like I've gone to the street. You go to Castle Hill, he's there. Even the one up by in Yonka's, I've gone to that store, and him and his wife are just sitting there and they stop and they talk to the customers, all that.
SPEAKER_01:Let's get like 15 episodes in, get some numbers going. See if we can.
SPEAKER_02:That black seat oil is amazing. That that IRC month with the bladder whack, all that. So what's up?
SPEAKER_01:The the the dreams, the dreams.
SPEAKER_02:I mean that you help you go to sleep. Yeah, all that. Not no belly. Mike Tyson. It's like Mike Tyson.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so I guess this this is such a roller coaster of questions. This is such a roller coaster. So this question is what song do you listen to when no one's around? So last week, for example, you said InSync. In sync. I said uh Olive Olivia Rodrigo. And then you I said Genevieve. Genevieve. I still don't know who Genevieve is.
SPEAKER_04:So he's basically saying artist.
SPEAKER_01:Artist, yeah. Or song.
SPEAKER_02:Artist. Yeah, that like no one would expect you to listen to it. Yeah, like a black. Like you want to guilty pleasure. You got your headphones on and you listening to something, nobody would expect.
SPEAKER_03:So right now, I'm man, I love RB so much, you know. Yeah. But it's lust music.
SPEAKER_00:It definitely is that.
SPEAKER_03:So it definitely is that. You know, it's as I'm I'm I'm slowly but surely, you know, moving away. Moving away from it. Um it's it's tough. It's tough, you know, but you know, um, definitely worship music has been more in the rotation, you know, um, finding different artists. Um shout out to God JB Girl, man. We she she went super duper viral on my podcast recently. Uh uh real name, I don't know her name. But I know her name was a little bit more.
SPEAKER_01:What's her uh her name on the pod? What name is she what's her like artist's name?
SPEAKER_03:She's not an artist. Oh she she here's the thing, right? So waking up. So she was on the pod? So yeah, waking up early, getting in the word. My algorithm has changed a lot. And she popped up, right? And she was saying some profound stuff um based on you know redemption, her faith, and all of those things. And literally, she was she was on the podcast like two days later.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's God's baby girl.
SPEAKER_03:You know what I'm saying? And God's baby girl is the name that you put. But I'm uh I have my oh right here, boom. So pretty much based off what we spoke about, it was um she said, You think uh she said the first thing people say to me is you think you're better than us because you gave your life to Christ. And she says, No, you think I'm better. You think I'm better. Now I told y'all I was a whole prostitute. How I don't know how y'all think I'm better than anybody. I'm not here to judge or condemn. I'm here to tell you the truth, baby. Your real friends will tell you to repent. I don't care about your emotions. Your real friends pay for you. That's your real friends. You don't even know, you don't even know you have those. So you might want to hold on to me a little tighter than you was. I I know you think I'm an actress. I know you think that my testimony is fake.
unknown:Boy.
SPEAKER_03:You gotta come. We was in a podcast. That's real hours later, bro. That's real.
SPEAKER_04:48 hours later, that type, that type of that, see, that type of gospel, I could rock with. Yeah, it's not holier than thou, it's very human. And she's from Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_03:And she's from Brooklyn, bro. Oh my god, it was like she the Foxy Brown of God did. Oh man, it was it was profound, bro. It was profound, and it just moved me, bro. Like it moved me because you could see what, like, you could see what God has done to her. You know what I'm saying? And we had such a a real, real conversation. But that to me, we broke that down line by line by line. And we had to get to that.
SPEAKER_04:I know she appreciated that because as an artist, like somebody that cares about your music that much, to break things down line by line. I know she appreciated that.
SPEAKER_03:She's not an artist, though. She she she's a uh not even an influencer. She's just a regular person. She's just motivating, she's just using her testimony. So she's a like a motorcycle. She makes music, right? No, no, she just motivated.
SPEAKER_01:I thought she made music because you were talking about music.
SPEAKER_03:I think I misunderstood when he said she it's your holy homegirl, right? Bible study every Tuesday, full-time servant.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so she she she she's like a uh influencer in the sense of like giving testimony. Yeah, she had 12,000 followers before our interview.
SPEAKER_03:How many children?
SPEAKER_01:27 right now. Oof. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Bro, gracious. That's crazy. The Zoe effect, bro. Ah, the Zoe. I got Zoe. Like, bro, literally, you got Zoe. 23,000 followers more, bro, right. After our interview. Right, right. Crazy. That's that's heavy. But that's God's work, though.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, heavy. Yeah. All right, Mike, we'll do four. I won't do five. Sure. We'll just wrap up at four, and then that'll be it.
SPEAKER_02:What's the piece of advice you give your future self?
SPEAKER_03:A future self. Keep playing the seeds. You know, keep playing the seeds, watering the seeds, and watering the relationships around you. You know what I'm saying? Keep showing up to those dinners, keep making them phone calls. Because there's a lot of people that I'm the bridge of the glue. So I'm gonna call you. Like sometimes I shoot little texts, little motivational things, a little word and all that stuff, but I'm gonna call her. So if I if you if you pop up in my head, I'm gonna call you. So keep calling them people, keep praying for them, keep planning them seeds, keep watering them seeds, and keep watering those relationships.
SPEAKER_04:What advice do you have for someone who wants to be as good at because that's networking, right? But thrives in isolation.
SPEAKER_03:I think you gotta put yourself in the in the situation like either way, right? Depending on what it is, I'm a I'm a social entrepreneur, I love the youth, so I gotta be outside, right? So you have to do what's necessary for what you want to do, right? So if your isolation can require Zoom and small group settings, then that's what works for you, right? But you have to do what's good for the greater good. And I know what's for the greater good is being in the trenches with the babies. So that's what we're doing. But you have to find out what works, and if if you being in small groups now leads you from five to ten to fifteen, then keep growing on that, right? But you gotta fight figure that out. And when you find that niche, run with it.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, nice so before we close up, I just thought of something. Um, I know you said it's it's when is when is the 10th anniversary of your dad passing?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, 10 years. My uh my father makes 10 years in uh February. February, what I guess. And then no, 11 years. Because he died in 2025, and my mom makes a year this January.
SPEAKER_01:What is something you would I guess I just thought of this, I don't know how to frame it properly. But what is something you would hope that wherever he is, he knows. Oh, he understands that you know he's been ten years. So what is something that you would hope that he knows? Or maybe he's from wherever he is, he's seen, or I think I mean he yeah, he he told me he was proud of me before he passed.
SPEAKER_03:You know, because we had a big we had a really long conversation. That's very important to me. I'm gonna tell this story real fast. Um because I didn't get what I wanted, I got to spend my father's last day with him. And looking back at it, what I wanted was to be in South Carolina on a baseball trip. This is, you know, most teams in the Northeast, we start baseball down south, right? So that's like the first trip. So all teams in Connecticut, Massage, all the Northeast schools, they in Florida, um, down south, all them down south states, right? So if I would have had it my way, I would have made the roster and I would have been down there with the team. I didn't make the roster, and I went home. And that was my father's last weekend.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_03:So God knows what he does. So we watched Friday, we ate chicken wings, um, we watched rush hour. Did you know it was No, he died in his sleep. I know he was sick, but right, I know like he died in his sleep.
SPEAKER_04:That was like not chronic.
SPEAKER_03:Nah. You know, he was sick, but he died in his sleep for me. So I spent my father's last day with him. I was the only one in the house. And we spoke all day. I told him everything too. It was weird because I couldn't hold water. Um, I told him uh about applying to grad school. He told me he knew. Um, I told him I thanked him for everything. I told him I'm not sure I loved him. I told him I plan, I told him I'll take care of the family, I'll make sure everybody's good. Um, yeah, I just I don't know what happened, but I just told him everything.
SPEAKER_04:That's God, man.
SPEAKER_03:Every little, every little thing I could tell him, I told him. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:I was like almost like God like handing the baton to you. Facts. You know what I'm saying? Like you now with your dad it was to you. Right. You now that for your fam. Right. You know?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so I know Pops is proud. I know Pops knows I love him. He 100% is proud. I know he knows I'm putting on for sure. 100%.
SPEAKER_04:Everything that you're doing, my brother, you're 100%. I I can I know that he's proud. And I don't know your dad, and I don't know you that, but I know that he's proud. 100%.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_04:God bless you, my brother.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:For real. You want to say anything before we close?
SPEAKER_04:You gotta end on that. Big Zoe end on that, yeah. Big Zo, Bronx Legend.
SPEAKER_01:You heard? Conversation with Zoe. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_04:Round of applause for Big Zoe. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:I appreciate it. We we uh we appreciate you for coming in. We appreciate your time, Zoe. We love you for sure. And uh thank you guys for tuning in and coming back for episode two.