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Trust, Love, And The Rules We Live By | Episode 4 | 60plusthepodcast

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We trade small talk for real talk: trust as a policy, love as a decision, and success as peace. From Harlem roots to Fashion Week runs, we unpack how early belief, sharp boundaries, and smart flips turn a vision into a stable life.

• starting at one hundred percent trust then deducting as needed
• choosing a child’s privacy over fame in a noisy world
• preventing future disasters over rewriting past tragedies
• marriage-as-commitment container and dating with intent
• manifestation from project hallways to Fashion Week
• success defined as peace, ownership, and autonomy
• flipping $250 into thousands with reinvestment
• raising daughters for independence and partnership adds
• expressing care through writing, music, and safe energy
• “listen twice, speak once” as daily practice

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SPEAKER_04:

What's a childhood memory that shapes how you see the world today?

SPEAKER_01:

The treatment from my father, I learned anyone could turn on you. I put a lot of trust. I learned at a young age of like never to do that.

SPEAKER_03:

Alright, guys, welcome to the 60 Plus Podcast. This is episode four. So I'm thinking we should start doing names because I realize we don't really do names. We can't just get into it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we can't just get into it. It's it's it's just do it then. It's horrible. So my name is Amir, and we have a mic. And then we have Sig the Tree.

SPEAKER_04:

Sig the trade.

SPEAKER_03:

Are we allowed to do first names or are we just not gonna do that because life?

SPEAKER_01:

Let's just do Stiggy.

SPEAKER_03:

Stiggy, Stiggy it is. Siggy is. You know what's funny? When it first mentioned to you that to me that Stiggy was coming in, this was if uh we'll do a little shout out to Mary Almonte and Des. Um, so she was at a pod last week that I was engineering in Soho. And they were like, Stiggy's coming, but my brain's like uh Shiggy.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm like That's my boy Shiggy, but no.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm like, they keep saying Stiggy, I'm like, what's happening? I'm like, I know I'm not deaf. Like, I get looked at every year medically.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So they kept saying uh Stiggy. I'm like Shiggy.

SPEAKER_01:

How about when so you don't want to know what's crazy? I started doing music before Iggy Azzillia came out, and I remember when she first came out, they was like, Iggy.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so it was like that's not a comparison.

SPEAKER_01:

I know. Don't do that. It was the name, I guess.

SPEAKER_04:

That's all it was.

SPEAKER_03:

That's all people gotta stop doing this stuff. So we're gonna start off with Mike talking about a fun fact.

SPEAKER_04:

So today's random fact. There is no number before 1000 that contains the letter A.

SPEAKER_01:

What? I don't even think about things like that.

SPEAKER_04:

And that's why we do it. That's why we do it.

SPEAKER_03:

That's exactly why we do it. Exactly why.

SPEAKER_04:

No number before the number 1000 has a letter A in it. Think about it. One, two, three, four, five, six, uh, one thousand and one.

SPEAKER_03:

Wait, can you count and doesn't?

SPEAKER_01:

Can I be honest? Like, probably in my entire life, I probably count it to a thousand one time.

SPEAKER_03:

I've never counting it. I've never counted down as well.

SPEAKER_02:

Probably just for like the show people are not accounts for.

SPEAKER_04:

I've just never done it. Yeah. I'll be right back. Turn on the issue. That's a fact. Like, yeah, you don't never just be randomly one, two, three.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, there's people out there who do it.

SPEAKER_04:

But you count money, and then that's a little different.

SPEAKER_01:

No, you get the money counter.

SPEAKER_04:

That is true.

SPEAKER_01:

But if you broke, you ain't got the money. You ain't got it.

SPEAKER_02:

You gotta have a person with you that's happy to see you got that money, so they're gonna count if you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_04:

They got the thumblet.

SPEAKER_03:

The paper cut. Okay, so that's a fun fact. Uh 100 years ago today, uh-huh. Now, Bill Gates' father was born. So a hundred years ago today, William H. Gates Sr.

SPEAKER_00:

Because he's rich. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

Half of this internet stuff that we have is computer. Microsoft is built.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah. The people he hired. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, no, we get into another conversation right there. It's like um Benjamin Franklin, or was it the people that, you know, the people who are not allowed to have was it Ben Franklin Electricity?

SPEAKER_04:

Nah, you're talking about Thomas Edison. I mean Thomas Edison. Because he took Nikola Tesla all his stuff. He did. Yeah, he took all his stuff from him. So I'm designating.

SPEAKER_03:

Nicola Tesla is probably the only recorded super genius of recorded history. So people think Einstein. You've heard the name.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm sure it's the African American, but it's always Lewis Latterman definitely probably won't. It's always an African American. I'm sure it's not, but of course, you know, it gets a race, so it is an absolute rape stuff.

SPEAKER_04:

You know it. You know it.

SPEAKER_03:

All right, guys. So we don't have a soundboard, so I'm the soundboard. Okay. So doot doot doot. Anyways. Time to start. I'm gonna start. So you pick.

SPEAKER_01:

That sounded like a truck back then.

SPEAKER_03:

Or like that, bro. Come on. A little higher pitch? I can do a little higher pitch. So you have the numbers, right? So she picked 10 numbers between one and 47, but she did not pick 47. We want someone to pick 47 eventually. Why? One day. One day. Someone will pick it up.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, you told them now, so now someone's gonna know to do that. They watched this episode.

SPEAKER_03:

Then we gotta change it to another number. Yeah, you gotta flip it to another number.

SPEAKER_02:

That you guys want to look at that. That'll just tell it.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so um so Mike, start with the first one.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay. And uh so first question in a randomizer. It's a two-part question. How many people or percentage of people who hang around you are smart?

SPEAKER_01:

How many percentage? I don't hang with a lot of people, so I would say 95.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay, all right, I like that. Now, of those smart people, how many of them would you consider smarter than you?

SPEAKER_01:

Um probably like 92%.

SPEAKER_04:

Ooh, okay, so that's high then. That's good. You want people around you that's smarter.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04:

You can't. That's that's a really low sequence.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what makes me dumb. I do that.

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly. I like that. I like that.

SPEAKER_03:

That's a good okay, okay. So another, so number two, because you pick one to eight in order. So we're gonna go with number two. Would you rather have your child grow up famous or or grow up average but free from public judgment?

SPEAKER_01:

Average but free from public judgment.

SPEAKER_03:

Because the the the tech world and social media world today is absolutely No, just because they opinion don't matter.

SPEAKER_01:

It's cute, but next.

SPEAKER_03:

I respect it.

SPEAKER_04:

I like that, actually. I respect it. I respect that. Tell the child to stay in the child's place. Yeah. Yeah. I like that actually. That's that's deep. I like that. That's dope. Let me keep that in mind for later. All right, number three. If you had to pick a war to fight in, which one would it be? A very broad case.

SPEAKER_02:

Any of the wars, but I don't want to get hurt.

SPEAKER_04:

So like, I ain't trying to fight nobody.

SPEAKER_02:

None of them. So when I when I say war. The people not.

SPEAKER_01:

Not a zombie board. I don't want to be a zombie. The day that the zombies come back, I am playing like a zombie. You would see me. You're gonna be walking back until I go to my hiding spot.

SPEAKER_04:

So wait. Robot apocalypse or zombie apocalypse?

SPEAKER_01:

None of them.

SPEAKER_04:

Nah, if you had you gotta fight for your life.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm still even more scared of God apocalypse. Y'all still don't beat that. Like, I don't want none of them.

SPEAKER_04:

She wants none of the above, guys. None of them. Okay, that's fair. No war. No wars in this place. Nothing.

SPEAKER_03:

All love on this side.

SPEAKER_01:

No wars. We can make that war every day. Spiritual war, everything.

SPEAKER_03:

So that's why I said we should just make it a broad topic. Like, if you have to fight in the war.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't.

SPEAKER_03:

So it'd be like, oh conflict. That's too much of that. No bad energy. Alright, no bad energy. Because we already had the fours. We had the fours aligned, so we don't need anything else. Fantastic four. I would fight with the Fantastic Four. Nah. No, we're not doing that. You're right.

SPEAKER_00:

Why you want to fight? I don't know. World War III. That ain't happen yet.

SPEAKER_03:

Tom, Tom, don't manifest that, please. Yeah, not yet. No, please don't.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't manifest that.

SPEAKER_03:

Jesus.

SPEAKER_04:

Help me. Help me, please. Or let the robots fight World War III. We don't need that.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't want to, I don't even want to be like in between that.

SPEAKER_04:

Facts. Big facts.

SPEAKER_03:

There's too much energy to deal with. I agree. Too much energy to deal with. So we're on number four. Because you did the uh the yeah, the war. So it's not a war, but would you rather erase one historical tragedy or prevent one future disaster? But you cannot pick both. It's one or the other.

SPEAKER_01:

I want to prevent a future disaster. I'm not going back to what already happened.

SPEAKER_04:

It happened, it happened already.

SPEAKER_01:

So the future disaster is them controlling controlling the weather and the robots and all that. So you're gonna prevent that from happening.

SPEAKER_03:

I like that. So in order to prevent a future disaster, you prevent wars.

unknown:

What?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, you are preventing war.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so if you prevent a future disaster, you're preventing a war. Keeping the positive energy from moving forward, you know. All right, you know, throughout the ages.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I'm the new mother nature or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

We'll take it.

SPEAKER_04:

We'll take it. Like it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Number five. What would you do if a dude threw money at your kid?

SPEAKER_00:

Pick it up.

SPEAKER_04:

But I'm talking about like a stack. I'm talking about a stack and was like, bow.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, wait, what?

SPEAKER_04:

I'm talking about like a stack of money. I'm talking about like, yo, just pow. And just take that. And you think of it. No, I'm not talking about like here he goes. No, I'm talking about throw actual like honey to actually kid.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04:

Like, we're not we're not talking about it. We're not talking about the rain. No, we're talking about actually throwing the bow.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, um, so I'm probably gonna hit them, but I'm still gonna get them. I'm gonna take the money.

SPEAKER_03:

You still keep it the money, right? I think majority of people just keep it.

SPEAKER_01:

Because you threw it. So with disrespect, I'm taking it. I might tap your pockets.

SPEAKER_03:

What else do you have? What else do you have? Run that. Run that. Let me get that bubblegum. Okay. If someone recommends an ugly guy to you, are they trying to say something about you?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Maybe I need to stop looking at just looks.

SPEAKER_03:

Now talk to us. Talk to us.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe I need to maybe I need to pay more attention to personality, quality, um, manners.

SPEAKER_04:

Intangible.

SPEAKER_01:

Sometimes the most toxic, good-looking guy is broke.

SPEAKER_04:

I've heard that story before. So I've heard people talk about this before. So it's better be not better, but it's sometimes you gotta look at different options.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, sometimes you have to look at different options.

SPEAKER_03:

You got it. So be open to like Yeah, be open. Just be open. That's what I used to tell people. I used to tell like some of my female friends this like just talk to people. Like you don't have to flirt or go out with them. Like, just talk to people. Ask them, ask them certain questions and just kind of figure out what their head is. Or behave in a way, because anytime you're like new to a person, you bring out like that, um, what do you call it? You bring out to your representative. It's never your true authentic self. It's always like a representative that's that's there for like the first couple meets, and then you get comfortable. So I'm like, beforehand, just kind of see what if they if they give you that energy back, you could be like, oh, like if you're being goofy and if you're being that type of stuff, and it's they reciprocate that energy to you, you could be like, oh, hold on.

SPEAKER_04:

There's somebody you vibe.

SPEAKER_03:

That that's that's a vibe right there. And most people miss it because the looks aren't there, or I mean, we can go into a whole other conversation about like red flags, and you know, should you let one red flag hinder a con a continuous or continued conversation?

SPEAKER_01:

I could I could tell you something that I started thinking about like last week.

SPEAKER_03:

Ooh, we like thoughts.

SPEAKER_01:

I think I'm like open to like getting married on a first day now.

SPEAKER_03:

Getting married on a first day? Explain.

SPEAKER_01:

So I think it would be more fun to learn a person every day, and you do this like serious commitment, and you just try, and trying because you're used to being judged because a person knows you and they feel like they're gonna know the outcome compared to a person that don't know you, so you want to show a new version of you. The relationships last longer, and most people that get married right away have the 40 to 50 year marriage compared to the people that wait 10 years and get engaged on the 11th year and get divorced on the 14th year. So I feel like the bo boyfriend thing is like mid because um if I sit there and get to know you more and more to get to the point to see if I'm good enough for you to propose to me, right? And most of the time they say give it a yeah at least a year, year and a half to know if you want to be with this person for the rest of your life, which you should know the first sight. I still believe in love at first sight. Because you can know from a feeling because when you in love, it's not about you um not messing up being perfect, it's about messing up and getting up and going hard to make sure y'all figure it out together. It's not like leaving the situation, it's about like going through it together. Most people that leave they ain't really love each other.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Because they don't want to fight for it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So if you're brand new to something, I mean, unless they are crazy or something like that, you can know when somebody's next level. Um it's a feeling you get. Listen, there's some people that's probably out there, sucks to be you that never know what love felt like, right? But at the same time, anybody, even if you don't know what love feels like, it's a feeling that you can't explain, right? So once you get that feeling, it could be someone you just met at the bar. It could be someone, like just out of nowhere, you'd be like, wait, why am I feeling like this? Hold on, am I crazy? That might be a soul tie. And if you sit there and try to like not tell yourself that, oh, I'm crazy if I jump into something or I need to wait it out or whatever, sometimes just kind of go with the flow. And things like that, I feel last longer because you're working harder of like showing a new you compared to being the person someone's used to, and you like, all right, I know they know that I'm gonna handle it like this. So I just feel like kind of jumping a broom is a thing. It's like a thing that people should try, maybe.

SPEAKER_04:

So you like spontaneity? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, because at the same time, you might have more two-family homes like that. I feel like something with people that know what they want. Like, imagine me being a person that wants to get married, right? But you a person that don't, but we're still attracted to each other. Doesn't mean we're not attracted to each other just because we don't want the same future. But let's say if I meet you and we're attracted, or maybe we not that attracted to each other, but we both have the same future, right? I want to get married and we don't mind getting married right away. Yeah, you still have an hard time to propose to me. Right? So at the same time, why wouldn't I go over here and most likely get the life that I want? Because we're both gonna work at the same thing. Even if we mess up, we're gonna have to start all over and work at the same thing. When as if we mess up, you never wanted it anyway. So you could be like, see?

SPEAKER_04:

It wasn't gonna work in the first place.

SPEAKER_01:

Now you now I'm leaving because you made me do something and I didn't want to do it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I feel like we should start thinking a different way because why how come we could think like that with having sex but not getting serious? I can have sex with somebody the first night that's given my body I could possibly get pregnant, possibly catch an STD that could kill me and die.

SPEAKER_05:

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01:

Or live with forever. But go through possibly an abortion, depression, whatever, because you don't feel once it, whatever. But then I feel like, oh my god, having sex was not that serious. But getting married and probably splitting everything and being a partnership, that's too much. People are stupid.

SPEAKER_04:

So then what would you say then to the to the person that says, oh, what if that person that you had that connection with, what if the connection wasn't real? But like it felt real, but it really wasn't.

SPEAKER_01:

Like that person would try again, that's yourself off and try again. Honestly, I feel like if people start doing stuff to be more serious, like I can understand a boyfriend, girlfriend thing like 18 and under, maybe 21 and under, right? But as you start getting older, you know what you want when you're dating, right? You know there's a possibility if you have sex the first time you can get pregnant or something can happen, right? So why not start going there with people that if this was to happen, we can have some type of future. If it was to happen, I know we can't have a future, so it's no reason for this to happen. And then you get what I'm saying, cut ties. All this playing game and then and then making people, because I've I always say girls is not crazy to someone make them crazy. I mean, unless they was really, really born. Like really bald, right? That's different. But most girls that you'll be like, yo, they was never like that, or guys that he was never like that. Someone brought that out of them.

SPEAKER_03:

Someone triggered a thing in their own.

SPEAKER_01:

They played with their emotions because they knew they didn't want to do something and they still made it seem that, and now the person's going crazy. So instead of getting to that state, try to match with people that's on the same thing. Like, like you said before, people don't talk. People will come around like if you ever first of all, right now, like I always say this I don't have nothing in common with a lot of people if I was to stop smoking weed. Like if I was to stop smoking weed, I don't got a lot in common with a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05:

Really?

SPEAKER_01:

They won't be able to come next to me. They sh I they won't, they won't be able to do a lot of stuff when it comes to me. Because at the end of the day, like with weed, it makes people feel like a little comfortable or whatever the case may be. Some people is like that with liquor, right? So I feel like if people was to get to the state of mind of knowing what um, how can I say this? What are they compatible with? When it comes, yeah, when it comes with people and like you could it you just won't have to waste so much time. Like, I just feel like it's too much grown people that's out here and it's like you're playing games. Why are you still playing? Why are you still adding bodies? Why are you still doing certain things?

SPEAKER_03:

So it's like we should we we should use more of our logical brain than our emotional brain in that sense. Yeah, because the logical brain tells you exactly what to do. Yeah, right. Logical brain tells you what to do.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, listen, if I'm gonna be doing this, there might be somebody else that's like this just like me.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's And they're looking for you.

SPEAKER_01:

And they're looking for you too. I'm not just saying go out there and go get married and all that stuff, but I'm just saying if you're on in that state of like dating a lot or doing all that stuff, like, why not?

SPEAKER_03:

You just window shopping. That's at that point. You just window shopping. Right. It's if you think, if you really like this person and you see a future there, just go for it.

SPEAKER_01:

Just do it. And if it don't work, then get div like it is what it is. Cause at the end of the day, most people is not gonna want to get divorced because some people I'd rather your ego be like bruised with something like that that you can fight for. I mean, unless you really know you can't fight for it and it's bad or whatever. But if you can fight for something that some people is good partners, you get what I'm saying? They just it's just certain stuff that they can't get with because sometimes of society, society will tell you, no, you need to look like this, you need to have this, this, social media has ruined me behind closed doors, they love what they have with each other.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, and they good, right?

SPEAKER_01:

They're good at what they do with each other. So those are the type of people that should get married. So that's why I'm like, and most of the time they don't or they do different things because society.

SPEAKER_03:

Society has definitely ruined us.

SPEAKER_01:

Social media is also ruined things, but it also made things very beautiful. So we can't always say that it ruined it like ruined everything because it just goes with your mind state. And some people they just they just stuck at where they at.

SPEAKER_03:

They are.

SPEAKER_04:

Some people really are stuck at where they're at. Would you rather spend a day with your younger self or your older future self?

SPEAKER_03:

We'll we'll we'll say ten-year difference. So 10 years in the past, 10 years in the future. Which one would you rather be with?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I gotta pick one.

SPEAKER_04:

I pick one.

SPEAKER_01:

My younger self. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Why why you pick the younger one?

SPEAKER_01:

Because I have mad fun. I still be having fun.

SPEAKER_04:

I have mad fun.

SPEAKER_01:

I did mad stuff that I was just like, wow, I did this at this age. And it's like, I'm watching people that's like older than me or just my same age, and they just get into that. And I'm like, Really?

SPEAKER_04:

Been there done.

SPEAKER_01:

I remember being 16, 17 years old, going into going to draft parties and mixing cranberry and orange juice together, acting like it's liquor, drinking it. Because I was able to get into these parties because I knew all the right people.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

So Dan is like to fast forward and see people like, oh my god, I gotta get into these, and da-da-da-da. And it's like, that's such old news.

SPEAKER_04:

You're like, I've been there, die. I've done that in a decade. Exactly. I'm off that. Yeah, we on the other stuff already. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like I'm that now. I became that. I became the draft. I bought the draft.

SPEAKER_03:

You owned it.

SPEAKER_01:

It's my party.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Just remind me of the question one more time that you asked her?

SPEAKER_04:

That was 18.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, just remind me what the question was. Oh, hold up.

SPEAKER_04:

But I wanna Would you wanna spend a day with your younger self or your older future self?

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so I I I I just wanted to make sure the question that I had in mind was correct to what that question was. So I was gonna ask, um, is there any prevalent like when you think about your younger self, is there like a memory that just pops up that it like it makes you smile uncontrollably?

SPEAKER_01:

It's so many.

SPEAKER_03:

But you just thought about it.

SPEAKER_01:

So many, yeah. I can go back to a memory of being three. Like I can remember looking at Whitney Houston Bodyguard movie and singing I Will Always Love You in front of my family. They still have the picture of me. And then fast forward, I remember wanting to be a model and watching America's Next Top Model. And I went to my mom. I went to my mom at 15 and I said, For Christmas, can you please buy me a pair of hills? That's all I want. And she bought me a pair of hills. I never forget she took me downtown to um 15, yeah. She took me downtown, bought me a pair. It was these like um hill boots from Aldo. It had like rhinestones around it. It was like a cowboy type. It's crazy because they came back out now, but it was that was so crazy when I was 16. So I remember walking in a straight line. I put tape in a straight line, and I I kept practicing down my project hallway. And I walk up and down. I was like, I'm gonna be a top model. And now I walk New York Fashion Week every year. I remember just thank you. I remember like just always saying, This is what I'm gonna do. This is I'm listening to the radio. I'm gonna be on the radio, I'm gonna have them talking about me. I'm gonna do this movie, I'm gonna do that. And I did it, and I made it happen. And even when it just was impossible, or people laughed, or people made it seem like it couldn't happen from where I came from or who I'm around or what kind of money I have or whatever, I made it happen.

SPEAKER_03:

So I would say the minute people start laughing at your dreams, yeah, that's when it's more than likely gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

You you need you need that balance, you need that negative energy to really fuel you to be like, okay. Yeah, I'll get it.

SPEAKER_04:

So even when you was younger, you was big on like manifesting. Like if I say I'ma do something, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01:

Let me tell you, I can I'm I'm coming out with a documentary, and um my I still have contact to my elementary school teachers. And they'll tell you in fifth grade, and um, I remember in kindergarten and they I was sitting in a circle and they asked me, what do I want to be when I grow up? And I said, a superstar. I remember saying that, like, I want to be a superstar, and to this day, like everything I've done was towards that. I never changed. I've I've always wanted to be a superstar. Whether it was in being a doctor, I would be the superstar doctor, whether it was being in entertainment. So it's crazy because when I think about my younger self, I'm exactly who I said I was going to be.

SPEAKER_03:

A manifestation.

SPEAKER_01:

It's not like it's certain things that I like I never thought I would rap. Like that was crazy. Like I always thought I would be a singer, but I've always knew that I would do music. I've always knew I would perform. In some fashion, some way, say, or form. Right. I've always knew that. So I was just like, everything that, like, even to now, I manifest that I'm gonna be one of the most powerful women in the music industry.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

And I'm gonna be someone that's gonna like, you know, innovate, like how innovate, motivate, motivate everything. Like to all the youth that's out there that came from where I came from, or even if you didn't come from where I came from, but you're just scared or you feel you don't know where to start, I'm that motivation. So I already know who I'm becoming, I already know where I came from. And that's why at times the hardest part is to sit down and be like, yo, I'm proud of you. Like I'm happy, I I did this. Like, that's like the hardest thing to do because you you always on to the next thing. It's like once you accomplish something, it's like what's it's like, okay, I got my associates, now I need my bachelor's. All right, after you don't sit down and say, damn, it was hard to get this associate.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Like it was hard to get this bachelor's. Like it, it was hard even to get up for school. It was days I didn't want to go. It was days I couldn't remember to take this test or hand in this. And it's like you never pat yourself on the back. So it's like that's what I'm starting to do right now. I already knew I was gonna be this because I've I planted. I this is what I said I wanted to be. But now it's like, all right, now that you did it, learn from your mistakes if you have any, but be happy too.

SPEAKER_04:

And try to live in the moment, like appreciate the moment while you're in it, not just reflecting on it, but being in the moment and actually appreciating it.

SPEAKER_03:

Sometimes I like how like things line up because you said something that was very, very interesting. So we're gonna go to the main part of the podcast right now, um, which is the human nature questions.

SPEAKER_01:

That's one of my favorite songs by Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_03:

By Michael Jackson?

SPEAKER_01:

I got him tatted on me. Michael Jackson's tatted on me doing the moon walk, so it's my That's fire.

SPEAKER_04:

Understood. That's cool. That's cool. Understood. That is fire. That's fine. That's creative.

SPEAKER_03:

So, based on what you just said, um, the question is what emotion do you find hardest to express?

SPEAKER_01:

Um caring. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard for me to show I care. Um, it's so easy for me to show I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_03:

But are you one of those where you you show you can't show it, but deep down you still kind of do it.

SPEAKER_01:

I really don't express it. I'm one of those that like if I really, really want to express myself to you and I feel like you're not understanding, or or you feel that I'm not getting you, I gotta write. I gotta write you a letter or I gotta text it to you. I'm uh I can't talk. I can't write that's why I started doing music. To get out. So I can't, that's the only way that I could do it because I just I might look at your face and then sometimes I get nervous or I laugh or I smile. Like, you know what I'm saying? So then I I don't want you to think that I'm taking as a joke.

SPEAKER_04:

Joke, right? Right, and it's a serious job.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's like I can't talk to you. Like I gotta like, I gotta text you or whatever.

SPEAKER_03:

But it just helps to like focus your thoughts onto paper, and then you just deliver your thing.

SPEAKER_01:

No, but it just helps that you're not in front of my face.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. It's my swing.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, no. No, it's not. It's not that. It's just I can't do it because it's just is like sometimes I don't, I don't know. I just I guess it's like the masculine side of me.

SPEAKER_04:

Is that something you're trying to fix?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I'm trying to be more feminine.

SPEAKER_03:

The masculine side usually is a trait of people who had to become protect yourself and become a provider at a very young age. Is that something?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Every time you see a lady, I'll say a lady or a woman that's like really tough, uh, you have to give them grace. Because more than likely, yeah, I gotta click on that. What they came from. That's true as well. What they came from is that lowers the guard when we click on you. We leave it. Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_02:

It does, because it makes you feel like I don't have to do it myself. Someone cares. Someone is provided with a trick.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, you gotta check on themselves again. Yeah, you gotta check on them.

SPEAKER_04:

Drop it off in the mailbox. First of the month. You know what to do.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I need every day of the month. It's every day.

SPEAKER_04:

She's at 8 a.m. So did you wake up?

SPEAKER_01:

I think I'm the best person to trick on though, because I flip money. I don't know how to just spend money on myself. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, look at what she's wearing, guys. This is hers.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's like you give me money, I mess around before going to Birdolf or Saks. I might go to a manufacturer or distributor and flip the money and turn it into something else. Like, so I don't, you know what I'm saying? I I'm gifted different.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. So you're your your your trait in that sense is kind of like uh, what's her name? Uh Keisha Noir, Gucci's wife?

SPEAKER_01:

Keisha KR. K. We started our business the same year.

unknown:

Really?

SPEAKER_01:

She started with 2 million, I started with$250.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, yeah, that's not even playing for you.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I mean, in the in the sense of like, in the sense of when Gucci was locked up, she took, I think, three and made it like nine or something like that. So in that sense.

SPEAKER_01:

I took 250 and made it a few thousand.

unknown:

Right?

SPEAKER_03:

It's still a flip, though. It's still a flip. It's still a multiplier. Uh-huh. You know?

SPEAKER_01:

It might be close to a million.

SPEAKER_03:

Hey, it's better than nothing.

SPEAKER_01:

No, seriously. I'm not even joking. I'll take a look at the five. I'll take a 50. I did a bunch of trade shows. You know, it's certain my my biggest day of selling one time. I would say in one day I made like$28,000. So, and that was good with no promotion. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep. Yep. No, you gotta get flowers. You gotta get flowers. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you. So it's like I started this with$250. So it's like, imagine if I had two million dollars.

SPEAKER_03:

It's clean.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you. And this is just the outcome. I started with a cosmetic line. I it's it's really a cosmetic line.

SPEAKER_03:

You said your daughter also has yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So my daughter, she started her own lip gloss line. That's cool. Hey man, yeah, started um a well the LLC was the start for her donut line. She wanted to start an old donut line that makes nothing but donuts made out of fruit. So she wanted it to be healthy because you know sugar is bad for you.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

My daughter also is vapor A, so she's always been like very tall and everything. So she thought maybe it came from the food. So she wanted to get into helping you. And she was thinking like that at six. She's now 12, um, running another business. She's about to do her first pop-up with her friends. And um, yeah, she learned from her boss mom.

SPEAKER_04:

I get right to say, did you instill that in her, like that go get her attitude?

SPEAKER_01:

Of course, of course, of course. You know why? Because you you have to teach females, especially beautiful females, that being a beautiful girl is a gift and a curse. If you're known for just being beautiful, people is gonna try to trick you. So if you're known for being smart, they're gonna, you know, watch how they come at you. So I teach her to be smart. Being smart is knowing what you're doing, bringing in your own money, and making sure any man that comes around you will add to it. They don't take care of you, they add to it. You're already taking care of yourself.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_01:

It's uh I did the mistake of letting a man take care of me, and oh my god, it was a m big mistake. It's fun. It's fun for a while. Once you stop giving them what they want, and if you gave your all to them and you ain't have a backup plan, they take everything from you.

SPEAKER_04:

Financial abuse.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's just financial abuse, and it's it's so bad, God. It's so bad.

SPEAKER_04:

That's financial abuse.

SPEAKER_01:

But you know, I'm like Aliyah, I get back up, I dust it off, I get back up. From Harlem, we shake it off.

SPEAKER_04:

That's right. Oh, what about Harlem?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

What part of Harlem?

SPEAKER_01:

East Harlem. 109 Flex.

SPEAKER_04:

Nice. Nice. I was on 102nd and 2nd last night. I was chilling in the projects over there. In Washington. Yeah. Uh-huh. Chilling out over there last night. Yeah, that's what's up.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Harlem.

SPEAKER_04:

All right. Next question we got for you. What's a childhood memory that shapes how you see the world today?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, I would say the treatment from my father.

SPEAKER_04:

You said your treatment from your father.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

So how was that like?

SPEAKER_03:

Is it is that something you're comfortable? Yeah, talking about first. We need to preface us.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I brought it up. Oh, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just making sure. Because sometimes you bring it up, but then when you start asking more questions, you're like, people don't want to go. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

I would tell you, I would tell you.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, I would just say that um it wasn't all bad, it wasn't all good. He wasn't really in my life much, but the times that he was, I did learn a lot. I learned um how anyone could turn on you. Doesn't matter who it is. The person the most that you think would never do it would do it. And he's the first person to teach me that. Um he also taught me how to organize business, how to do business right, how to like get ownership, um, also to watch out for snakes because again, you never know. You've seen it firsthand who will betray you. You know what I'm saying? So um, yeah, I would say that would be the first memory because at a young age I put a lot of trust and I learned at a young age of like never to do that. That and and and also I I also learned young to I don't give people like I don't let people build trust with me. You get a hundred percent trust, as you lose it, you never get it back. Because I never could look at you again like that. You did nothing to me, I give you a hundred percent. If you keep that hundred percent forever, then we go to dope life with me and you. If you start losing it, you meet the other me.

SPEAKER_04:

And I and there is no going back to that hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03:

So you don't have like a three strikes out, you have like a one chance.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. But you want to know what's crazy because my treatment can confuse a dumb person. You have to be sharp to know with me. So I'm I I forgive, but I don't forget. I leave that up to God. So it's like with me, you would think because of me being kind, nice, probably sometimes it's still how I would rock with you that we're the same.

SPEAKER_03:

Gotcha. That we're cool, but deep down.

SPEAKER_01:

No, but you know, you're gonna know.

SPEAKER_03:

You're gonna know?

SPEAKER_01:

It's not gonna be me that's gonna you're gonna know because it's gonna come to a certain time that you're gonna realize it's not the same of how it used to be. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03:

Is it like eyeing up the competition?

SPEAKER_01:

No, it's sort of like how Jesus would treat the rest of y'all, knowing that y'all gonna cross him. I learned from Jesus.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, we could we could throw an amen on top of that right there.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

He still did God's work. He still moved in a way that everybody was like, Why are you doing this? And they did this to you.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Because let God handle it. And most of the time, God handling is you feeling crazy about yourself.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Yo, Jesus said, let go and let God. Yep. Yo, I got it from here. I got it from here, yeah. You was like, oh, you guys wanna bet.

SPEAKER_02:

It's okay, but I bet, right.

SPEAKER_03:

But so we're gonna go to the third question that you you chose. How do you define success?

SPEAKER_01:

I define success with being able to watch your kids grow up, being able to be healthy, have a peaceful home and life, and being able to pay your lifestyle. Whatever your lifestyle is, whether it's in an apartment, whether it's in a moving trailer, whether it's in a mansion. Um, I feel like peace is wherever you at. It's is is not what you create, is not what you could buy. Some people it's peaceful living under the train. I met so many. Let me tell you, I um I give back a lot and I talk to a lot of homeless people. Anybody that knows me, they they can tell you I'm random. I talked to a lot of homeless people. And I met a lot of homeless people by choice, they became homeless. And I met some homeless people that was very I I could not believe it. Googled them and everything and chose to be in the streets. And most people would say that's mental. Right. Oh, they have a mental couldn't no. They ra their peace was away from all of that. So I feel like success is peace. Success is what you make of it. Success is not, oh, I'm a rapper, so you have to be number one. No, I can be a rapper and have our ownership. I can do a show that only hosts 200 people, but I got to keep all that money and have to split it with nobody. So that's my success.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. And your success is you, I think.

SPEAKER_01:

My success could be on this podcast, and only two people join, yet two people paid attention to me, which could tell 200 more people. Right. So that's success to me.

SPEAKER_03:

That that that is not just success. That is that is mindset. That is a that is a we're just gonna label it as mindset. If people had this mindset more, I would be in such a better place. Thanks. That's a good way of putting things.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, or not, no, that's a really good way of putting things.

SPEAKER_03:

Shouldn't determine your happiness. And that's why we have this podcast. Because I don't care what it is you do for work, I don't care what I don't who are you as a human being. And that that's why, like the the randomizer questions, eventually we're gonna we're gonna keep adding, adjusting, and stuff like that to it based on how people react to it. But like the um what is what is this section again? Human nature. The human nature questions, I think we might just leave it as it is. Because that allows you to express in the way you just did. And that is the most important thing, mindset. So, next question.

SPEAKER_04:

If you could pick any actress to play you in a movie, who would it be and why?

SPEAKER_01:

It would be Tiana Taylor, because we grew up in the same hood and um we know each other lifestyle growing up at that time, like not of course now.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Um and she's really, really good at what she does. She's amazing. I got to witness it from a young age. Um, who should became who she became. So yeah, I would I would love for Tiana Taylor to play me for my biopic.

SPEAKER_03:

That'd be dope. That'd be dope. And then the abs, bro. And then the abs.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, the abs.

SPEAKER_03:

The abs? Oh. Jesus, I'll take my one pack. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01:

It's crazy because all my childhood friends are megastars, like ASAP Rocky, Tiana. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like um Ferg.

SPEAKER_04:

Ferg. Ferg, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I remember Ferg was a designer. Yep. He wasn't even doing music. He was doing the belts. Yeah, belts, hoodies, Jay West. Uh-huh. So it's um, it was just a dope time. I was one of the dope. I was the model. You know what I'm saying? I was signing a Willamina's. So everyone was doing, you know, everyone was doing something.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's crazy because now we are in the future and everyone's doing their own thing. And, you know, everyone's in different levels, but everyone's successful because everyone is able to still be creative, make money doing it, be happy, have their family.

SPEAKER_03:

And their success, like you said, is not defined by their wealth as well. It's defined by the family. Like, have you seen how Rihanna looks at ASAP Rocket? That's a success. The way Rihanna looks at ASAP, that is success.

SPEAKER_04:

It ties into your other thing, though, when you said that you would want to go back in your past just to see. I think that would be cool too. When you went back, you see the different people when they that young again, too, to see AC.

SPEAKER_01:

But you want to know what's crazy? I've always known that all those people that came up, including myself, was gonna be who who we're all becoming. Because we're still becoming. Right. Still going up. That's what I'm saying, right? It seems like everyone that I grew up with, once they hit late 20s, early 30s, is when everything we worked so hard for as a kid is starting to flourish.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Even to the people that's like maybe not in entertainment anymore, but they're doing other things in life. They live in different cities, they they differ having different lifestyles, um, and just going towards financial freedom, maybe families, whatever. So it's crazy because everybody, that's how we carried ourselves. We knew we was gonna be there.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_01:

So that's why we was different kids. I could never say, oh my God, like I want to, like, I loved high school. I loved my childhood. I love, I loved everything about it: the good, the bad, the worse, the ugly, everything.

SPEAKER_04:

Like it made you you.

SPEAKER_01:

It made me me. And you know, that's something that I admire because, you know, no matter how everything turned out in the future, that was just the most dopest experience ever. To come up with people and almost everybody you hung out with, it's like you made a a great choice in life as a kid to hang around people that became very successful in life. I don't have those stories that say, yeah, my boy, he's on crack now. My boy is married to a billionaire that just be one of the top fashion people. You know what I'm saying? Actress as well. Right. Like, I'm just I'm like, I can show y'all pictures of when we was just going to my super suite. Like, I was one of the people she gave an invitation to on my super suite 16. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I could remember buying a belt from Ferg. I remember getting, I used to work Rip the Runway, so getting Ace at Ferg and Jay Weston Rip the Runway or doing so. It's like to see that we was working hard to get people to get our attention. I remember one of Tiana's first shows at the Marquee with Rick Ross, his first show, and they performed together, and me just looking like, yo, we just came from one four fifth in Lennox, right? Chilling in the hood, and now we downtown performing near Rick Ross, like, and now everybody is doing very well right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's that's that's something to just sit back and be like, you know what? Like, you can't give up.

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

Your life has to be destined for something else or bigger. Because why did God give you that lifestyle starting that early? That is true. And look who they became. That is true. Look who and how they could look at people, how come like they could be becoming bigger than what they are now? You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's just it's just pretty dope. Like, that's why I could I wouldn't change anything about my childhood and want to go back and meet more people.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, right. And and that the way it the way you're speaking about it and smiling, that's also how you define success.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

It's those memories, it's those experiences that guide you in the future. And like you have all that good energy around you. So the last question, I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna change it so it actually follows the energy of everything that we just spoke about. So the question's gonna be what kind of energy do you hope people feel when you're around?

SPEAKER_01:

I want people to feel safe. I'm good at making people laugh. I like people to just feel like safe and you know, have like a little funny moment. Because everything ain't funny, but just like have a little funny moment. Because I ain't about to make everybody happy. I'm not trying to make everybody happy.

SPEAKER_04:

You can't give all your energy away. You can't give all of it out.

SPEAKER_01:

But it's like, right, I just want you to feel safe around me that like whatever. If you even pissed off and you came around me, it's safe to be pissed off around me.

SPEAKER_04:

Right, it's cool. Be over there with you.

SPEAKER_02:

Six feet, six feet, six feet is fine. Just safe.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, covert restrictions. Safe and comfortable. Yeah, not too comfy, not too comfy, not too comfy, but comfy enough. Comfy enough. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03:

So this is a reflection round. This is a closeout round. Um, we have a standard look good.

SPEAKER_01:

Your skin look good? Signature kids, skincare.

SPEAKER_03:

Is it?

SPEAKER_01:

You better. That's yours? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03:

Glowing. You better promo.

SPEAKER_01:

Glowing.

SPEAKER_03:

Mm-hmm. Was it glamorous? That that Fergie's line, right? Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. How can I come around? So you got your own skincare and you have your own line.

SPEAKER_01:

I have lip glass. I sell everything in my cosmetic line except for foundation and concealer. And I have clothes, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

That that's called a one-stop shop. Mm-hmm. That's what they call that. You don't need to wait where you don't need to go anywhere.

SPEAKER_04:

Where is the one-stop shop? Where can people go?

SPEAKER_01:

www.thesignaturekiss.squarespace.com. Spell correctly. And then just follow me in Signature S-I-G-D-A-T-R-I-G no space on Instagram. And I'll keep you updated because the site might change a little bit.

SPEAKER_03:

It is. It is. It could change. So follow and you know what uh keep the uh turn the alarm bell on. Notifications. Turn them on.

SPEAKER_04:

Turn them on. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

All right. So this is four questions. We do have to find a fifth question.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh to replace this one. This would have been cool, but I don't really know. It's too hard to do. Yeah, I don't really much care about that. Are you ready?

unknown:

Do more.

SPEAKER_03:

What is it? Yeah, the song, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Who wants to be a millionaire?

SPEAKER_03:

Lower the lights.

SPEAKER_01:

I kind of want to drink. You want a drink? Like a water. Like water.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I got your water.

SPEAKER_01:

Mixed with vodka.

SPEAKER_03:

We don't have vodka.

SPEAKER_01:

Wine?

SPEAKER_04:

A little bit of wine?

SPEAKER_01:

That.

SPEAKER_04:

Nah, ain't no, ain't nothing in there. Yeah, it does is for sure. Is it juice?

SPEAKER_01:

I lied.

SPEAKER_04:

I don't want a water. She said, switch it up. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02:

I lied. I was being paid.

SPEAKER_04:

No, I'm good, bro. I'm okay. I'm okay. Yeah, yeah. She said she wanted juice.

unknown:

Oh, you want a juice?

SPEAKER_04:

She wants some juice.

SPEAKER_02:

What if we got no juice? Okay.

SPEAKER_04:

I think we gotta do that for next time.

SPEAKER_03:

We do have the I mean you can if you if you guys if you guys want to bring refreshments.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I gotta do that for next time.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, just gotta be super careful. Yeah. Because it's all white.

SPEAKER_04:

That is true.

SPEAKER_03:

Um all right, so we're back for the second time.

SPEAKER_04:

Back, back again. We're back.

SPEAKER_03:

We're back, back again.

unknown:

All right.

SPEAKER_03:

For the reflection round. I gotta I gotta get those T-Pain. Have you ever seen T-Pain's podcast? No. We'll talk about it after. It is. I'm sad he stopped doing it like two years ago. Okay, reflection round before we keep getting sidetracked. What is one thing life has taught you recently?

SPEAKER_02:

Life be life in. Life be life.

SPEAKER_04:

Life be life in. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_03:

That's it. I think it's in the Oxford dictionary. Life be life in. It might be. It should be. Especially in New York.

SPEAKER_04:

Life be life in. That's a fact. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_03:

Yo, did you guys get the uh this check from Kathy Hokel?

SPEAKER_04:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03:

At$200?

SPEAKER_04:

Yep.

SPEAKER_03:

What do you do with that? You got it?

SPEAKER_04:

It goes based on when you filed your taxes. Oh, why?

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, how much you got?

SPEAKER_04:

$200. Yeah, but do you cash it or what do you do with it? When did you get it?

SPEAKER_00:

When did you file your taxes?

SPEAKER_04:

I filed mine back in like January, February.

SPEAKER_00:

It's January now. It's about to be January again.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, so when it comes up again, I'm gonna be the first one right in line to follow them.

SPEAKER_00:

So you're gonna get another$200.

SPEAKER_04:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Once you get your two, that's it. If they if they run it back next year, then yeah, probably. So that$200 is added to your nah nah nah. They're gonna send it to you in a check. It's gonna be a$200 check you're gonna get in the mail. So whatever you put your address down for your taxes. I hope not. Well, nah, you can't. They they already said it was postponed because of like the government shutdown and all that stuff, so they pushed it back. So it was been supposed to happen.

SPEAKER_00:

I can't even check.

SPEAKER_04:

Nah.

SPEAKER_00:

That's crazy. That's a$200.

SPEAKER_04:

So you just gotta keep just keep keep checking your mailbox. Keep checking your mailbox.

SPEAKER_01:

So that means I can take other people's checks and they ain't gonna check.

SPEAKER_04:

I got the name on it, so I don't know. Technically, no, but I mean you deposit it in your bank, please. You go to TD bank, they don't care about nothing of it. They don't care about nothing to TD. You'd be all right. Well Fargo used to not give a shit. Yeah, that once Chase got involved. Anyway, yeah, Chase don't do that no more. Yeah, not number two. They found a coke boat. Anyway.

SPEAKER_03:

You remember that? Uh-huh. You remember, do you remember that article? The article came out for one day, then disappeared.

SPEAKER_04:

There was a boat with over like 700 million dollars worth of drugs on this boat, and the boat was owned by Chase Bank.

SPEAKER_01:

I know, just like the J it wasn't JP Morgan supposed to be in a Tys Hannet.

SPEAKER_04:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

Or they switch and then those people die. Yep. I don't know nothing. I ain't saying what's the next one? What's that guy?

SPEAKER_04:

I'm three quarters blind in my third eye.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't see anything, sir.

SPEAKER_04:

Next question. Look, you say you wanted some juice, so we're gonna keep this question in line with the juice. If you could have dinner with one person from history, who would it be and why?

SPEAKER_01:

Maya Angelou.

SPEAKER_04:

Why Miss Angelou?

SPEAKER_01:

She's my favorite. That's my favorite rapper, aka poet.

SPEAKER_04:

Mm-hmm. No, we we stick around. We started rapping because of because I'm because of still I rise. Still I rise. Still I rise.

SPEAKER_00:

I be knowing. Damn. I'm going to I'm going to eat. And I want her to cook. I'm bringing the cook. Oh, you want her to cook? Y'all ain't going to a restaurant?

SPEAKER_02:

Hell no. I need her to cook for me. I need that soulful hand.

SPEAKER_00:

You think she could cook? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

She put her foot in her face. Oh no. Just because they're old and black don't mean they could cook.

SPEAKER_01:

I think my Angelo could cook. So I'm I'm I'm I'm bringing the groceries.

SPEAKER_04:

Where was she from? Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_01:

And she probably gonna get and she probably gonna give me vegetables from the from the farm.

SPEAKER_03:

She could. She might be from the channel. She might be from the south.

SPEAKER_04:

She might be from the south. I'm gonna say Carolina's. She's from St. Louis, Missouri. So she's not from the South.

SPEAKER_01:

She definitely can make collard greens. She wore.

SPEAKER_04:

Of course. The neck bones. You gotta put neck bones in there. Or some turkey necks going to the other.

SPEAKER_00:

I ain't even gonna eat it. I just want it in there. I'm moving that joint to the side. I just need to.

SPEAKER_03:

It's just the aesthetic. You just need the aesthetic of her.

SPEAKER_01:

I need all of that.

SPEAKER_03:

That'd be cool. That'll be cool.

SPEAKER_01:

And I'ma just I'ma just write with her. We're gonna have a writing session. Ooh. That's what I want to do. Some of the best poetry ever read.

SPEAKER_04:

That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be fun. A writing session with my Angelo. The look book.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh I like that.

SPEAKER_04:

I like that.

SPEAKER_03:

All right. This follows up. What song do you listen to when no one is around?

SPEAKER_01:

I listen to R. Kelly Trapped in the Closet whole album. With all the chapters?

SPEAKER_04:

All the chapters. Oh, she got time. Once the midget popped up, I was done.

SPEAKER_02:

The first five chapter, the first five chapters. Be having me crying, bro, from when he was driving. The video pulled down and was like.

SPEAKER_01:

Yo, no, no, no. No lie. I'm letting y'all know right now. I'm re- Okay, so I've been listening to Trapped in the Closet for seven years once a week, right? And I'm gonna tell y'all why. The whole thing? Wait, hello, hello, hello. Once a week? All 50 chapters? I'm gonna tell y'all why. Look, so I'm memorizing certain things because I'ma redo it. I'ma redo Trapped in the Closet, my version, right? But I need my joint to hit and feel like how R. Kelly did it. Like meaning like that feeling. Like he the only guy that makes his song remix and remix itself. Like 50 times, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And remix and remix himself. Like we R. Kelly. We all cows, man. We need cows back. You're about to be in Capricorn season. My father a Capricorn.

SPEAKER_01:

I always say that Lil Kim and R. Kelly made me at the filling on your booty video. Because my mother can't send my father Capricorn.

SPEAKER_00:

And if I was this music baby, that was that was the tongue. That was the tongue.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what I was told. That's the parents. And that's where they met. And that's where we came right in. They met right there in the middle of the dance floor. Carlson Kim. Oh my god. Carlson Kim.

SPEAKER_03:

KK. Just don't find another kid.

SPEAKER_02:

KK we messed with. Yeah, just two kids.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. Just need two of them. That's it. Just two.

SPEAKER_02:

And it's KK, so they made an S signature. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03:

Made an S. There we go. Which is sick.

SPEAKER_02:

Because remember, it was the same beat. The whole time. That's why it's that big. Because we gotta stay with that beat.

SPEAKER_01:

And he made 50 songs on one beat. No one understands. 50 songs. I don't think people understand. He was the. Listen, we talk about sticky fingers, Buster Roms, doing the musicals, right? But R. Kelly was doing the musicals. Yes. And he was writing mad Broadway plays and all. Yo, he hit every jump. Y'all remember, right? I remember when the first before he got locked up, right? I remember everybody talking about it, and we putting on the gospel. I put 1190. In New York is 1190 for the gospel station. And R. Kelly was on the ID the whole.

SPEAKER_02:

You go to the country station. Yes. You go to the gospel station, RB station, hip hop station.

SPEAKER_01:

He's on every station. He's yo.

SPEAKER_04:

No one wants to see Kells in the verses.

SPEAKER_01:

Who's gonna who alright? No, no, no, no. Who would see Kells in the verses?

SPEAKER_04:

It's only Chris.

SPEAKER_01:

The only person I've who you think?

SPEAKER_04:

Is Mike Jack and Chris Brown?

SPEAKER_03:

That's a those are the only two.

SPEAKER_01:

Nah.

SPEAKER_03:

Who you who you think? Nah. Because Chris. No.

SPEAKER_01:

What? Remember, versus only 20 songs. No. So look, I'm gonna tell you why. What's that? What's that guy from Black Street?

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, uh Teddy uh Teddy Riley.

SPEAKER_01:

I think Teddy Riley or the Isley brothers or something. Oh Isley. Because if you say Michael Jackson, that don't count. I don't even see no on Michael Jackson. But Kelly's wrong for Michael Jackson. Right. He wrote he wrote You Are Not Alone. He wrote that. He wrote You Are Not Alone.

SPEAKER_04:

He wrote a few songs actually. But it got a different meaning.

SPEAKER_01:

And he was Michael Jackson's favorite artist.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

He was Michael Jackson's favorite artist. Chris Brown. He he just a he just a goat. I don't even know if it's a good thing. And Beyonce we gotta add to this. Yeah, and Beyonce.

SPEAKER_05:

We gotta add her to this.

SPEAKER_01:

I ain't gonna lie though, but Beyonce, that's no. Cause like Beyonce with R. Kelly. Yeah, in the versus. Nah. I will put Mary J. Blige before Beyonce. Mary is R Kelly.

SPEAKER_04:

For 20 songs, yeah, Mary is a good one.

SPEAKER_01:

You know who I put with R. Kelly? Missy Ellie.

SPEAKER_04:

Nah, he's gonna watch Missy. That's not gonna be Missy. He's gonna watch Missy. After work it's over.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, Mark versus the Pie Python. He gotta verse his stuff. He gotta go get the P2. TP2 for the jump in the back three.

SPEAKER_04:

That's for the him calling himself the Pie Piper. Yeah, that should have been the red flag. That should have been red flag.

SPEAKER_00:

Forced advertisement. A lot of people be doing that.

SPEAKER_02:

Remember when guys just be like, I got the endocondo? No, you don't. You got the worm. You got the gummy worm? You got the gummy worm. The trolls. The trolling giant troll the trolley.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, my head hurts. Willis.

SPEAKER_04:

Hurting egos out here. Just hurting egos. Well, look, here's your last question. What's a piece of advice you would give your future self?

SPEAKER_01:

The same advice I'm trying to give my right now stuff. Stop talking much and listen.

SPEAKER_04:

Ooh, you got two ears and one mouth for a reason, right? You're supposed to listen twice as much as you speak. You said listen twice as much as you speak. Because you just you got two ears and one mouth. You're supposed to listen twice as much as you speak.

SPEAKER_03:

We got the stains tonight. I've never heard that before. For real? Never heard that before.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm about to fucking blew your mouth. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02:

That's why it's like you, y'all need to bring back, y'all need to do blue bits on that look at like this. That was a moment. He said, wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_04:

Wait a minute. Let me process this. You said some shit.

SPEAKER_02:

That was like a robot moment, an AI moment. When it hold on. They were trying to get the problem.

SPEAKER_03:

It's just recalculation, recalculation, recalculation. Recalculation. What you tell?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I heard that a lot.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. That's just a life thing. That's like old man wisdom right there.

SPEAKER_04:

Mm-hmm. It's true though. It really is true. You should listen. When you listen, sometimes you let people talk, let them bullshit their way into something sometimes. Sometimes you gotta just let people talk. Let it happen.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, this was fun. I hope you enjoyed this. And then I hope you enjoyed this. Yeah, thank you for coming. But thank you for saying that you would do it and still doing it because we only met last week and I just asked. Like, I just asked. And that's something I'm learning to do more is don't be brash or abrupt or just talk to people and be like, hey, I'm doing this. Would you be okay with it? Sometimes people like, yeah. Sometimes people like, show me what you have. Sometimes I'm like, let's wait a little bit, or you know, depending on circumstance. So, all in all, just thank you for showing up and we appreciate your time and we appreciate your energy.

SPEAKER_04:

For real, for real.

SPEAKER_03:

And uh I think that's how we close. I gotta I gotta get like a really, really good intro. Because then like I do the cool stuff. I do the cool stuff like that. We find her. Which where they gonna find us? You gotta tell them. That's on you, bro. Do you care about the whole where do we find us? Yes, because I just especially for the guests. Well, the guests for sure.

SPEAKER_04:

Us too, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

You never know who watching her stuff that ain't seen us. So let them know where they can find you. Everybody guaranteed, yo.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm in new, yo.

SPEAKER_04:

That's right, hey. Get that remix. You gotta fuse it together. You gotta fuse it together.

SPEAKER_01:

Nah. Um, you can find me on Instagram or social media is Signatrig S-I-G-D-A-T-R-I-G. My website is www.thesignaturekiss.squarespace.com. Spell correctly. Signature K merch at I mean on Instagram, Facebook is Sig White, and YouTube is Signetrig.

SPEAKER_03:

And for us, you could find us at 60 Plus the Podcast on all platforms, GSPs, and everything else. But before we do close out, no, I will just close out right here. Uh Alright, thank you guys for being here with us. Have a great rest of your day. Have a great rest of your weekend. Bye.

SPEAKER_02:

Ciao.