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Jake Paul Slept & Knicks Still Pickpocket You | Episode 7
Three worlds collide: fantasy football lessons, the real cost of being a fan, and why AEW’s ring work beats empty spectacle. We unpack Joshua vs Jake Paul, the soul leak in New York sports, and close with a Then And Now on Nas from Light Years to Illmatic.
• first‑time fantasy stories and keeper‑league strategy
• injury swings and why daily formats burn people out
• World Cup and Knicks pricing freezing out local fans
• corporate crowds vs real atmosphere in New York stadiums
• Joshua’s KO of Jake Paul and why you can’t play boxing
• women’s boxing bright spots and quality control on cards
• AEW as “live anime” and the craft behind the bumps
• blades, chops, sells, and how refs protect matches
• AEW vs WWE: storytelling, bloodline fatigue, and new stars
• territories, open‑door collaborations, and hip‑hop’s bridge
• NXT history, contracts, non‑competes, and call‑ups
• Cody’s move, building babyfaces, and crowd honesty
• Then And Now: Nas and Premier on Light Years vs Illmatic
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My name's Amir. I'm Mike. Fredo. This is 60 Plus Podcasts. Today's gonna be a little different. The format's gonna be a little different. We're gonna talk about we're gonna talk about wrestling. Yes. We're gonna talk about uh the the Jake Ball Fi Jake Ball. Fiasco. Fiasco. So we we got AWE that we we saw. We got the um Jake Paul.
SPEAKER_02:A E W. A E Dumb A-E-W. A-E-D. But the zickles come out here.
SPEAKER_03:We got the A-E Dumb. We have the Jake Paul fiasco. Yes. And then Mike's gonna do We got to do a little fantasy football.
SPEAKER_02:Fantasy football, that's right. Fantasy football talk for the people out there. You know, championship weekend.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So if you made it, congratulations to you. If you like me and you a loser and you went home in the consolation bracket. Yeah. What's up? What's up to all the losers out there? Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We here chilling. And then uh Mike is gonna end it off with a there and uh here and now. Um, no then and now what is happening to me? Who's hearing now?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. Luther Vandros song. Hearing now Mr.
SPEAKER_04:Lee If you have a whole single, you know the song. You know that.
SPEAKER_02:Come on then. But yes, then and now Mr. Nausea Jones, we did Light Years to Ilmatic. Ilmatic. Light Years to Ilmatic, comparing the two albums, talking about them, Nas's growth. Hope y'all enjoy it. Hey people. I'm Mike. This is not a mere. Like you used to say. Chilling, just making it happen.
SPEAKER_00:Definitely making it happen, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Gonna get y'all a little bit of sports talk right now, a little bit of fantasy talk. You sure? If your season is still alive, because mine has been in the dirt. Season over. It ain't happening, unfortunately. What about your team?
SPEAKER_01:You know what's crazy? Like, full disclosure, too. This is my first time like actually on full, like going fantasy football. Like, really trying. You feel me? And what's crazy is what got me going was because like my friends, my friend group, they were like, oh, let's uh let's do it. All right, fine. And the um motive was like whoever came in like dead last or whatever, uh huh, the loser is gonna either wear like a Boston or whatever. I'm a heavy Yankees fan. We're not wearing no Boston. Not wearing no Mets gear, no nothing. So I'm like, at least I could come up is at least top five or top ten. Right. I have a positive season. Right. But yeah, so and what's crazy is my my whole my fantasy ended up going undefeated the whole start of the season, and then to now I'm in the championship like thing.
SPEAKER_02:How many teams in your league? Um, I think we got like You got 10 or 12. I think like 10, I want to say. Nice, nice. So you got a standard 10 team. Who you got on your roster?
SPEAKER_01:So I was my start, uh, my starting. I got Hurts. Okay. Jacobs, cooked the third, gave me 26 today, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he's been killing this yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Got uh Robinson from uh from the Giants.
SPEAKER_02:Mondell, okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Flowers, Henry, um, Taylor. Then I also have the Raiders defense, so I guess like that that kind of helps with like um whenever like if they just like touching the ball or like you know, kick off. As long as you don't lose no points. That's all I care about. Just don't lose no point. I got the um and then I got uh Meeves for the uh kicker. For the kicker. Yep. And then on my bench, which is like I kind of have as like more like a hit and miss, like, you know, just in case. I have uh Swift, Goff, who really went in. Who went off today against the Steelers? Pitts Sr.'s been going like doing a lot.
SPEAKER_02:Lately he's been better.
SPEAKER_01:Mims the junior uh Mims Jr. Jr. uh right uh White from all the Bucks. Okay. Videl, I just picked him up only. Comani Videl, running back. And then I have uh Tracy Jr. and Pacheco. Okay. Pacheco kind of went good tonight, too.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you gotta think him up IR now. He's ready. He's ready now. He's ready. All right, so you got a nice squad then. You had a nice week this year.
SPEAKER_01:And what's crazy is like with this, it kind of got me going into football. Right. Like you feel me?
SPEAKER_02:It got you watching more panics.
SPEAKER_01:And I've always wanted to understand football. Right. Again, like I'm a baseball player. You feel me? Straight, only baseball. I can understand baseball, basketball, obviously. Right, that's what you mean. Football shoes. Exactly. I feel like football, soccer is more like the two, like kind of like the difficulty.
SPEAKER_02:Like that.
SPEAKER_01:To understand the analytics and the statistics behind it, I can't that I I wouldn't be able to stomach that.
SPEAKER_02:It's a lot, especially with football. People just see football and think it's easy. It's like so much goes into one play. Who does what, who's blocking who, all of that?
SPEAKER_01:Can actually change the whole game. Exactly. Which is crazy.
SPEAKER_02:But nah, you got a nice little squad. My team was good to start. We won the first 3-0, most points in the league. And then everyone on my team got hurt. Because I had Lamar, Lamar Jackson got hurt. Yeah. I had James Connor, he broke his leg. But I think that he would get hurt. So I drafted his backup, okay, who also broke his leg. And was out the rest of the year.
SPEAKER_01:He was going crazy. And then he broke his ankle. And then y'all that happened. I was like, ah. I had CD.
SPEAKER_02:CD done had all the injuries and stuff. So the best players on my team all got hurt. So the middle part of the season, I was like, I couldn't get no wins. Or the wins I did get, I'm winning 85 to 72. So I'm not putting up no points. I'm just getting the wins. And it got to me after a while. Lamar came back and wasn't himself.
SPEAKER_01:It became point two, like when I was like also understanding that I was I wasn't even watching, and I was still coming up with wins and everything. And I'm like, yo, I'm going in for projected 126, 226 for the day. And then also coming up with like uh like undefeated, bro. I went the first eight weeks undefeated. Right. Literally eight or no. And then I lost two because then uh Skittlebo got injured. And then after that, oh, I forgot who it was. It was questionable. Um, Robinson for me. And I basically picked up somebody real quick and they got me going, bro. Like they they they they picked up, and I didn't even have to trade anyone or whatever. Right now I'm in the championship run, so I had to do the opposite.
SPEAKER_02:Because my league is a keeper league, it's a 12-team keeper league. Okay. So you have to keep one person, you don't have to, but if you do keep a person on your roster, it'll cost you wherever you took them in the draft or wherever they got drafted, two rounds above. So say, say you took Scatterbull, yeah, and you drafted him in the 10th round. If you decide to keep him for next year, it will cost you an eighth round pick. So in the next draft, you don't have an eighth round pick.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that makes sense. Right. So that's that definitely would come in handy then.
SPEAKER_02:So that's how my league is a little bit different. So, like, even with just dropping people, sometimes you'll drop a rookie or drop somebody who's not doing nothing. And then they get picked up by somebody else. If they keep them on as a keeper, that's a 16th round draft pick because they from a free agent. And then with that, you're basically. That's beautiful. That's what I'm saying. So it's a little more strategy and stuff with the league. I and I like it. I like it that way. You gotta do trades, stuff like that, just to stay active. Just to stay active. It's a cool way.
SPEAKER_01:Fantasy baseball, like really get in and probably start getting money. I know baseball. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Baseball and fantasy baseball and fantasy hockey. If you play those two, you have no life. Because you do nothing else. If you play fantasy baseball, you have to be on every day clicking this person, that.
SPEAKER_01:With baseball, it's like you it's more too in-depth.
SPEAKER_02:It's all about numbers. It's all about numbers. I tried one time playing fantasy baseball. I said this ain't for me. I have a life. Like, I got like with me, I'm not gonna pay attention to it. Yeah, and at all. And you you have to do it every day. It's like that and hockey. I don't even know how you play fantasy hockey. I don't even know how you do it. How do anybody still has that? Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't I don't know. But look, somebody playing it because ESPN be offering it. So for real. Now they're about to start with rugby. Rugby and stuff, you know? Like someone is someone is playing it, someone is watching it. So it's like, hey, for all means.
SPEAKER_01:Hey man, I feel like anything that's combat now. You do you do fantasy basketball? Uh nah. I want to, but I feel like I have to really understand basketball to like as far as like the statistics go. I only know like the gist of it, right? Right. But like when it comes to, you know, like really get in depth with that, I wouldn't be able to like, you know, to um because fantasy basketball is fun.
SPEAKER_02:It depends on how your league is.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. I feel like that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02:Because with my league, we do a set number of starts per week. So you can't just keep the same people in your lineup. So you get 32 starts for your whole team.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02:So nobody don't normally play more than two, three times a week. So you have to use other players, put them together to make your roster. So it makes it interesting. You could do your roster beginning of the week, check back on Thursday or something.
SPEAKER_00:Type shit.
SPEAKER_02:Right. You don't gotta check. It's like football. You don't have to check every single day.
SPEAKER_01:Baseball and hockey, you every day You gotta be every day with it. You gotta really be invested.
SPEAKER_02:Like, give me a job then, if that's the case.
SPEAKER_01:That's how it has to like at least slightly come up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's like get me paid or something. If I do all of this, I better work for the analytics department.
SPEAKER_01:At least make this be some type of statistic on some money bullshit.
SPEAKER_02:Something, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I could be Jonah Hill. Saying, why not? I'll be Jonah Hill. Nah, you feel me like for real? And joining us now. Amir. The lights aren't that bright. You should be used to them by now. You used to the bright lights.
SPEAKER_03:How you feeling, Amir? Pretty good. Tired, but pretty good. Yeah, I had a really weird cabbage plant earlier. A what? Cabbage. You ate it? No. It was water vapors. I think you get it. No? Slightly. Okay. Look. I'm just hot. It's above me work. Hey, I missed it, bro. I missed the plate. I missed it.
SPEAKER_02:I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03:What was it? Chocolate and herbal tea? Oh. Ah. Yes, yes. Chocolate and herbal tea.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. That's the best combination, man. It's a great combination.
SPEAKER_03:That's what they keep telling me.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like I gotta really get back into my tea shit. Nah. They really do help. It really does help a lot. Some good tea, man. Yo, I've been drinking green tea. Like in my old spot. Like I used to literally like double back on the fucking tea. I get the real tea. Just go to the fucking business center and just take mad of the fucking green tea. Yeah, let me get these. That and honey and then peppermint. Those are my go-to.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Those are like most of my two go-shots. Peppermint? Mm-hmm. No, real honey. Some real honey. Hell yeah, real raw.
SPEAKER_03:Real honey, real raw honey. Yeah. Alright, so you guys did the uh college. It was college, not college. No, fantasy football. Just fantasy football. Fantasy football. I don't know why the fuck I was thinking of NCW.
SPEAKER_02:If you watch the other football, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The real one. Yeah. Anyways, soccer. Yeah, soccer. Soccer.
SPEAKER_00:Um can you what are you my football? Like, what are your guys' thoughts on the FIFA? FIFA Cup gonna be over here and I think in City of the United States.
SPEAKER_02:This is good business for the U.S. I just wish it was affordable so people like us could go. That's the problem. Is that regular people don't have a chance to go to this? Everybody who's going, at least here in New York, yeah, is gonna be the elite of the elite. And that's the problem. Yeah, that's yeah. That part is trash. So, like even if you do want to go see your favorite team play or see a group of games, you're not paying$600,$700 to sit up top at MetLife and not see. Because MetLife is awful. MetLife is awful. It's an awful new stadium. Oh, I thought they were playing at City Field. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's too small, bro. No, no, no, no, no. That's what it is that's what a New York City team for MLS plays. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. They were they doing a World Cup at um at Giant State at um MetLife Field. Which makes sense, yeah. If you live like in Seattle or Atlanta, you got a better shot at maybe going to a game because the tickets are a lot cheaper. Yeah. Going to one of those places, or maybe even going to Canada or something like that.
SPEAKER_00:Because remember, there's games in Canada and there's games in Mexico. No, yeah, that's true. I feel like over here, I don't know. I guess like you said, it's like a business. Too much of a when the businesses get into it, get involved. Ticket sales, you gotta understand like your buying area.
SPEAKER_01:Understand the dynamic before you can go out and make prices. It's like, for example, like, you know, it makes going to the event now it's more corporal. It's more corporate than before.
SPEAKER_02:Nobody's cheering. You don't have real fans there. When you take away the real fans, it takes away from the experience, from you watching. Like, that's one of the best things about soccer is the crowd. Yeah, the crowd in soccer is so great because you never you never not hear anything. You always hear chatter in the background. If you're watching a Premier League team, they singing songs the whole game. Oh, you don't know what the hell they're singing, but they sing. They're getting involved.
SPEAKER_01:And it's like that's that's what brings the fun aspect. But it's like, for instance, like with me, like I love baseball. But like when you think playoff baseball, when your team is in, not being able to afford to go in it, it's like, yo, that it sucks. Look, and then you have your team, then you have like the fans that are there that just basically I feel like they're just not as involved. So it just wants exactly.
SPEAKER_02:It's like now you're now you're just flaunting. It's the problem with New York sports in particular, especially the Knicks. The Knicks have that problem. You no one can afford to go to a Knick game. A regular regular season Knick game at minimum is gonna run you almost$300 for one person to sit somewhere where you actually can see the game, not touching the roof at the rafters, so you can actually see the game. It's cheaper to go out of state to watch the Knicks than it is to be here to watch the Knicks. So imagine playoff time. You you see how rowdy it is outside the garden. Of course. If the tickets was affordable, them people that's outside would be inside. And can you imagine that atmosphere inside?
SPEAKER_01:Your actual heartbeat, like the heart of the fans, like actually people that care. The Knicks would never lose at Madison Square. They would never lose there. You have these corporate little sasquatches that are there and everything, and then it's just like you can, and then what's crazy is like when you watch it too from like from like the outside in, when you're at home watching, they're literally like just in their uniforms, like they just left work and whatever. It's like, yo, bro, like what?
SPEAKER_03:So wait, so I got a question. So like spur of the moment type of thing. Um, if you had to, I guess, fix the Knicks organization, what are some things that you guys would do?
SPEAKER_02:Nothing to fix right now. The Knicks are good.
SPEAKER_03:No, not like everything. I said the organization, everything. So you just spoke about ticket prices. They're marketing. So like, yeah, so like for the ticket prices like what are some things that you guys would see?
SPEAKER_02:That's the thing. Because with the Knicks, the Knicks and Lakers are two special cases because they can't afford to charge that much. The Knicks are here in New York. There's another team in New York too, Brooklyn. But we don't talk about it. No one cares. No one cares because this is a Knicks town. You can go to a Brooklyn game for$15 and go sit there, but no one wants to go to Barclays and watch a game. I don't want to see the Nets. All the way to Brooklyn, all the way to Brooklyn. And it's not even just that, it's just the fact the Knicks are New York's team. Yeah. So the Knicks and the Lakers are always Lakers for LA, Knicks for New York. They always will be at the top when it comes to ticket prices. When it comes to Yankees to the Mets. That's what I'm saying. The same, it's the same. But Met tickets will always be cheaper, more family friendly, stuff like that. So it's what you're paying for. Because even when the Knicks sucked, Knicks tickets were expensive and they would sell out the garden.
SPEAKER_00:They would still sell out the garden.
SPEAKER_02:So why would I lower my tickets as an organization? Because you know the demand will always be there, no matter what. I don't have to lower my tickets because if I'm selling out right now, where my tickets are higher than everybody's and everyone knows it, and you still are coming for my product, I'm never gonna lower my tickets. Why would I?
SPEAKER_03:No, I got I got a follow-up question for that. If if New York wasn't the staple that it was, especially when it comes to like foreigners and tourists and stuff like that, do you think the tickets will still be that high? No. Nah. Because it's because it's in 34th Street or this Penn Station, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:And you got tourists coming just for that, just to go to the garden and say, I've been to the garden. So they'll pay whatever. They'll definitely do it. Compared to a resident of New York who lives here has to deal with the bills of New York, the traveling in New York, the expenses of New York, that that that that person from out of out of state or out of the country doesn't have to deal with on a day-to-day basis.
SPEAKER_01:You know, like sometimes I could play devil's advocate with it. You know, I I get it. Like you said, living here, this is nothing that we're not used to. You know, so like when we're seeing it and everything, of course, we is there nah we're good, we're good watching it from the house for aspect. We're good watching it at home. But the fact that we're able to get an opportunity to go to a to like a to a Yankee game or to a Mets game, excuse me, to a uh a Knicks game, fuck the Mets. Um, but um to be able to go that opportunity, just knowing that that's there, it's like I bet. But then when it's like, you know, when you when you think of going to a game, but then you see all that's there, what they're catering to, and it's just like it defeats the whole thing. Going to Yankee games.
SPEAKER_02:Like I took my nephew this year for his first Yankee game. And before they used to give you certificates for the little kids and stuff when they would go for their first game, like get them a hat and stuff. Nice. Now, no, they don't do none of that now. You go there, they're like, Here, um, here's a thing, a QR code you can scan, and then we'll send you an email with the thing. I said, yo, that's whack. I said, he don't forget by that point. Exactly. They don't have nothing there. Everything in Yankee feels so corporate. No.
SPEAKER_01:Everything. There's no soul. Like we've even talked about it before. Like, you know, that's when you go to Yankee Stadium, that's more like history, like understanding the history background. You know, it's not a ballpark. Right. And don't get me wrong, I'm a diehard Yankee. And that's why it's like, you know what, all they needed was just to put a dome off the other one, and that was it. That was it. Like the other stadium was an actual ballpark. That old stadium had character. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Old stadium had character. You know, like this new one, yeah, you got the one chip there. That was cool. You got the one chip, but it's still this the New York Yankee steak and you know all these different places inside. It don't feel like an actual stadium that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_01:It feels like you're catering to a corporate scheme. It feels like you're at work on a Monday, you're you're you're basically pitching a uh a whole deal aspect and whatever, go into the boardroom and whatnot. Just look at the bleacher creature. There's nothing authentic about New York.
SPEAKER_03:What do you really go when you it's like the bleacher?
SPEAKER_02:So the bleacher creature is who does the roll call. And so there's the bleachers in right field. And basically the same people sit there, they get season tickets and they make sure that they're there. So when the Yankees go to start the game, they start as the on the on defense. You got your pictures. So what the what the bleacher creature does is for every player, they call their name out until they acknowledge them. So if it's Aaron Judge and right field, they're Aaron Judge got uh. Keep saying it until the player either tips the cap or does whatever their thing is. So Aaron Judge does the muscles, and that's how they do that for every player. Until there's an acknowledgement. Okay. So whoever's on the case. It's like a quick little get going. Like, no, come on, like let them know that we're here. Right, we're here for y'all. Let's go. Let's get to it. That's what the bleacher creature does. Yep. Outside of that, there's nothing authentic about Yankee Stadium no more. For real. Nothing. Nothing at all. Nothing authentic about it no more. And it sucks, it really does suck. It does. Like, I wish that the aesthetic of City Field was at Yankee Stadium.
SPEAKER_01:As much as I hate the Mets, I gotta say there that's a stadium. That is a ballpark. That when you go there. It's recently built, right? Like the rhythm last year.
SPEAKER_02:But so was Yankee Stadium too, though. So it's been about the same time as Yankee Stadium. When was Yankee Stadium built? Yankee Stadium opened in 09. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:City Field was 2010? I think either two years after or a year after.
SPEAKER_02:After, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Because I think when I when I moved up here, it was almost done. Okay. It was pretty much. Because before it was Shade Stadium. I moved here in 2010. So it was still in the process of being done or 2011 and 100.
SPEAKER_01:So then I would probably say like 2011, but mostly probably like when they opened up or something like that. Because I lived in Jackson Heights.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, so like you you knew when it was open. Not yet.
SPEAKER_02:Like even for the Mets though, they kept the aura of Shade Stadium in City Field. And you can feel that. You feel the energy there. Like City Field is much better to go to to watch a game than it is at Yankee Stadium.
SPEAKER_01:At Yankee Stadium, I feel like you're going in there just for an aesthetic for like a quick little uh people go there for like three N's and then they leave.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like before.
SPEAKER_03:It's not as comfortable though. No, it's not. Because remember when we went to go see uh NYC FC? Yes. And we were down bottom and it still wasn't comfortable.
SPEAKER_02:It's a tightly packed. Yeah. So that's the that's the only issue in New York sports. The best teams have no heart and soul no more, including football. The Giants, too. It's awful. It's awful being a Giants fan. It sucks so much. So much.
SPEAKER_01:We find ways to lose games. Yo, it's crazy how the Giants are turning down to inadvertently be the freaking uh, what was it, the Bears? Yeah. With their record all with 12 and everything going.
SPEAKER_02:I always say the Knicks gave whatever bad mojo they had. They gave it to the Giants, and the Giants gave their little good mojo to the Knicks. They never are good at the same time. Never. They are never good at the same time.
SPEAKER_01:And it's crazy because the Knicks are amazing now. I don't even watch hockey, but the Rangers are also like within their ice, they're the heart and soul too. Like within their lane. Yeah, because the island. You can hear like about it.
SPEAKER_02:The Rangers are the cops team. Oh, yeah. All the cops in the city that like hockey, they're Rangers, man. That's why you never want to go to a Rangers game. None but cops.
SPEAKER_01:None but cops at a range. I used to work at the garden too. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's a good and a bad thing. It's it's super safe, but at the same time. Do be careful. Safe for who? Do be careful. Exactly. Do be careful. All right. So I just want to give a quick update uh callback to the uh so you said the next tickets are roughly like 300 bucks. So I was doing some conversion stuff, and um, so in pounds, that's 224 pounds. It's 258 euros, and then it's like 212 Jordanian dinar. So like to them, it's they come in and it's like, yeah, they can they can afford it. But if it takes a 500, you know, it's a big difference. Jordan's like three something pounds is like three something. Right. So yeah, it's a difference.
SPEAKER_02:You see what I'm saying? So it's it's one of the imagine, you're not just going by yourself, you're normally going with a few people, yeah, two, three people.
SPEAKER_01:And then sometimes like their package deals that they'll do is so acid packing.
SPEAKER_02:The package deal is all the way up top for$550, and all you get is a hot dog and a cup of soda.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like what the fuck is that? That's not even enough to do.
SPEAKER_02:You can't even wipe your ass with that. I legit go to DC. Yeah, I get on the bus, I go to DC, I watch the game, I spend the night at my brother's house, and I get back on the bus and come up here. And that and doing that is cheaper. And I sit at the bottom of the bus. No, it at the stadium at the bus. No, I go to the back. I know where I'm supposed to go. They call it uh muscle memory. They call it muscle memory. Exactly. So I always go, I go right to the back. But nah, you go down there, you go to DC, the tickets will be$75,$100, and you sitting behind the Nick Bench. Nice. I'm gonna have to go with you whenever you go, bro. Get on the bus, I get right on the bus, a round trip$40. All right, and I'm paying that instead of going to the garden where I can just take the train, but my tickets is gonna be$400.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Just to sit at the same spots.
SPEAKER_01:No. I feel like Dolan does not realize who the fuck is his fan base.
SPEAKER_03:As long as the money is coming in, they just don't care.
SPEAKER_02:As long as the money is coming in and he's getting paid. It is a premium ticket. It is, it's a premium ticket.
SPEAKER_03:For a premium location at a premium building at a premium city. Like you can't beat it.
SPEAKER_01:Premium price can't beat it. I'll be at courtside in my bed. Exactly. Nothing. Ain't nobody bothered. I'll give you my own experience. Excuse me. Excuse me. I got somebody calling me, telling me the whole game.
SPEAKER_02:That's right. I need to hear Claphrasia.
SPEAKER_03:Shit. All right, so talking about courtside at your bed. Let's talk about what happened on Netflix. Ah, shit. That was super courtside by the bed. That was definitely courtside.
SPEAKER_01:That was it's crazy too. Because you expected, you would expect for that knockout to happen. But I feel like now that it happened, did he even lose? Because think about it. No, like I get it, like in essence, yeah, he did lose. But if you really think about it, what did Joshua gain?
SPEAKER_02:Oh no, he had everything to lose. Yeah, he was gonna lose. He gained nothing. He gained nothing.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. He gained nothing. But to me, you had to knock him. You had to, you had to. Especially for him bringing out 6ix9ine. You better fucking shit.
SPEAKER_03:What? Jake, regardless of what happened. What?
SPEAKER_02:No, it's not. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, his promotional, his promotion company.
SPEAKER_02:It's a short-term win with him. He's never getting a real fight again. If he actually wants to be a boxer, he will never get a real fight again.
SPEAKER_03:But but I mean, I mean, I don't I don't I don't look at it like that for him because he started off as a YouTube star. He was in Disney. Like I everything for me, for him, seems like he's playing the system or he's playing a game, like he's not really in it.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I would say too. Like he's not taking it for the long haul.
SPEAKER_03:Like what was a payout? Was it like 92 million?
SPEAKER_02:He got uh supposedly 92 million. And then and then uh Joshua 30 or 40 something million, probably something like that. So for Joshua, it was a payday. Yeah, that's why Tank was gonna do it. But the thing with Tank was Tank wasn't gonna follow the script. Tank was like, I'm gonna knock you out in the first round. If you watch that fight, Anthony Joshua was throwing punches like this at one point.
SPEAKER_01:At one point, yeah, but he's just he started getting pissed when he kept going for like the leg takedowns and everything. When you see that, it's like ah, yeah, it was about that, it was bound to happen.
SPEAKER_02:But he didn't, he didn't. You can see Jake Paul ain't really trained for this fight. He was out of shape, he was gassed by the second, third round. It's like you I'm surprised that it went to like the six. You don't play boxing, yeah. Yeah, you don't play boxing. I know boxing is a sport, you don't play around with boxing. You play around with boxing, you get your jaw broke. Yeah, well, we saw what just we saw what happened. You get your jaw broke. We saw what happened. So when they rank him, because he's actually ranked as a top 10 fighter for one of them belts, Jake Paul. You see what I'm saying? No, he fights at cruiserweight, and they named him in the top 10. I think it was WBC as a top 10 cruiserweight before this fight. You see what I'm saying? So he had a real ranking and stuff like that. That's why to me this fight was important.
SPEAKER_01:It's like to go and to piggyback on what you said, it's like he doesn't take it serious. Yeah, because it's like that right there, bro. How are you ranked when you were starting off with Nate Robinson? You've st you you watch who's the US.
SPEAKER_02:You beat Mike Tyson, you beat Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson is 55. I mean, did he really beat Tyson? But no, but that's that's the point though. In the essence of that, he shouldn't be. But the fact that boxing is taking him seriously. Oh, yeah, which to that point, which is like a slap in the face. But that's why you had to take this fight seriously and the outcomes. That's why you have to take it seriously, and that's why you hurt real boxers for years being like, yes, please come in the ring. I want to make some money. Canelo was like, please, let's make it happen. Come on, please, Jake Paul. I want to fight you. And he went for and come on, he because he can't he can't beat a real boxer. A real boxer, he lost to Tommy Fury, and Tommy Fury ain't no real boxer. He lost to Tommy Fury.
SPEAKER_03:Was it Junior or was uh no his brother, Ice and Fury's brother and Tommy Fury? Ice's Fury's little brother.
SPEAKER_02:He thinking of black. Yeah, he black. Oh nah, that's why I think this was important that Joshua got him out of there, knocked him out. No, it didn't matter when it happened. The fact that he knocked him out, and that was the fashion, like, yeah, this fight is not happening no more. Nah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like like you said, this was a win, like boxing needed this. And Joshua in representation of, because my thing is, you're an Olympic gold medalist for this. This is serious. This is boxing. You gotta show that boy don't play this one. He would, yo, I'm telling you, New Yorkers would not have let, or at least like you know how New York, the energy, and people who are on the social media and whatever, I'm definitely sure you would not have let Joshua go clean. Exactly. He would not have heard the end of it had he would have lost. Cold medalist and you let a YouTuber.
SPEAKER_03:Because I think when when when Joshua got his first uh title at 19, Jake was just starting on YouTube or something like that.
SPEAKER_02:Nah, he wasn't 19, Anthony Joshua was that first title. No, he's way later on.
SPEAKER_03:No, because he started at 23.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's way later on. Because that's that was Olympics and stuff like that. Anthony Joshua's not until he beats Klitschko for he not when he knocks out uh Vladimir uh Klitschko. What was that? Oh no, no, no. 2013, 14, something like that.
SPEAKER_03:So he started boxing at 18.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he when did he fight Klitschko? Well, Vladimir Klitschko. Uh I think it was 23. That's when he that's when he wins the title when he when he fights Klitschko.
SPEAKER_03:There we go.
SPEAKER_02:17. That's when he beat Klitschko, right? Yeah. That's when he gets his first. He's built like granite, he has amazing power, he got the chin of loose leaf paper. Really? And that's what if you watch boxing, that's what made this fight a little, a tiny bit intriguing. Because if Jay if anyone could have landed a lucky punch and you hit Joshua with it, you have a chance to put him down because he has no chin. Oh wow. That's what I mean.
SPEAKER_01:When you started seeing, like, when you started seeing like Paul check him on that, it was like when you see at the end of the fight, he had marks on his face, Anthony Joshua.
SPEAKER_02:To me, this fight, and it was a 15-month layoff. But for someone who I I enjoy boxing, I like watching boxing. So knowing Anthony Joshua's career, he probably is gonna fight Tyson Fury next, because that's where the money is for both of them in England. They'll they'll sell out Wembley easy, those two. They'll sell out Wembley. But other than that, he doesn't really have no other real prospect that he actually could beat, that's actually good still. Didn't he just come off of beating Francis uh Nangano? Yeah, but that he's not a boxer. He's not a boxer. Like the stuff that Anthony Joshua was doing to him, it was just basic. He was painting to the body and just came right up top. It was basic stuff that he was doing. Like Tyson Fury, the reason why he got that fight was because Tyson Fury didn't take uh Francis seriously. He was all out of shape and stuff, and he got put on his ass. He got put on his ass. Definitely showed. So it it depends. With boxing is all about matchups, and he's at cruiserweight, Jake Paul. There's currently a guy in cruiserweight. His name is Jai Apatar. His last five opponents have been in the hospital. Far. Currently, the last person he fought has a brain bleed, a contusion on their spine. That's illegal. He should not be playing. So, this is who they was gonna put Jake Paul in the ring against. Again, someone that does not play boxing. You can't play boxing. Oh no. I can't make this any more clearer. You can't play boxing. So imagine if he would have gotten a ring with that dude. That dude is a killer. His last five opponents have been in the hospital. Get me away from that guy. I don't want to fight you. At that point, I'm going into Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't care. None of them. A brain bleed and my spine is messed up from fighting. No, no, no, no, no, no. Mr. Apatar, you got it, sir. You scary. You scary. Keep me away from him. But that's the division he was supposed to fight in. So can you imagine if he gets in the ring with that man and that man kills him? You can he will get killed in boxing. So imagine that man really hits him with all of his power.
SPEAKER_01:Just look at this dude. I think who's the uh the Spanish boxer that basically has like cerebral palsy, I think now.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. After the fight that he got into it.
SPEAKER_01:He kept getting hit in the head too, like clear headshots and everything. And then it ended up now. He's in a whole wheelchair, like a whole chair, it can't move, nothing. Can't even talk. You don't play boxing.
SPEAKER_02:I can't say it enough. You don't play boxing. Don't play boxing.
SPEAKER_03:So quick side note. Did you guys see the uh Anderson Silver Tyrell Woodley fight as well?
SPEAKER_02:I didn't watch it, I saw the highlights. And the fact that he got Tyrone Woodley with a with a with a foot chip. A fake, but he reacted because he's an MMA fighter first. And that's why he did it like that. But neither one of them. That's something like when you look at them cards. But they're both, aren't they both? They both are MMA. They mad old. They don't need to be fighting. They just need the money, I guess. Outside of the woman card, where it was Alicia Bumgarner versus the other, I forgot uh Laredo. Yeah. That was a solid match. Bumgarner's a real good uh boxer. The fact that it was three-minute rounds, two was really dope. 12 uh 12 rounds. I like that. She's dope. And I like that Jake Paul does put the women on the cards. Yeah. But outside of that, the rest of his cards suck. They be awful. A lot of the time, I'll watch for the women and be like, all right, that's enough. I don't want to be.
SPEAKER_01:You're gonna start seeing Jake Paul like boxing shits and for like the near future. You're gonna start seeing like celebrity like boxing verses and then until like the main event.
SPEAKER_02:They already started doing it with who that who that white boy, uh that Jewish one that'd be that that's mad hateful. Uh that got yeah, him, him. He be doing the YouTube people fights. I hate that nigga. He could go. He could go. I hate him. Honestly, he can go. Don't even get me started. Yeah, he he he can go. It's certain people, it's like, yeah, y'all little niggas, yeah. Get out of here. Like, why are you here? You don't belong here. Get in here anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, for real. Anyway, anyway. It's like certain people that you could just tell that they're just culture for trends, exactly. And then it's just like the blatant ones that just don't take it seriously, and then you have the ones that just like allow the shit to happen.
SPEAKER_02:And so he he's the worst.
SPEAKER_01:He's a horror. It's trending, yeah. Yeah, it's trending. I know.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway, it's trending. Amir, okay. You went to your first wrestling event. You got to see AEW Christmas Collision that will be airing on Thursday, Christmas Day at 9 o'clock.
SPEAKER_03:9 p.m. That's she said, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, 9 p.m. No spoilers for the people because this is coming out before collision will come out. Yeah. So no spoilers for the people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We will actually, because it's not part of the episode. Right. So no spoilers, but how did you enjoy the show? Your first wrestling show.
SPEAKER_03:So honestly, because I know it's scripted. Okay. And I know it's like it's not really real, and I can see the the throwing the punch, but you pulling the punch. I saw all the pulls, and um, it's it's tough because this is why I don't like I cannot like let's say for the podcast, I cannot practice like a pre-podcast before we podcast. Right. Because my brain knows it's not real.
SPEAKER_01:Gotcha.
SPEAKER_03:Like it's hard for me to like. So I did I did 14 months of acting classes. That was tough because the preparation is not real, like it's not in the moment type of stuff. So like watching it, it was very neutral. Oh, okay. Because I was like, okay, he's pulling, that's fake, that's not real. Why is he doing that? So I guess I use the logical part of my brain trying to watch wrestling when you probably shouldn't do it. Right. It's more entertainment and fun and just atmosphere, and you fucking screaming everything. Like this guy. But not just him, other people too, though. It's the atmosphere. But he caused a lot of people to start screaming as well. They're not gonna ignore that. Right. Um, we're supposed to do. But atmosphere-wise, I'll definitely do it again. Yeah, I mean, I just I might have to do it more often. Okay, just like you said, there's a story that comes with uh this moving parts.
SPEAKER_02:You gotta watch the TV to understand what's going on. Because in the ring, they do tell a story with their wrestling, they do, but if you know what's going on outside, like if you knew why the dude got kicked down the stairs, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yo, that shit was funny. Right, right.
SPEAKER_02:Because he's known for pretty much putting his body on the line. Yes, like literally in real life on 42nd Street, he got hit by a bus and wrestled the next day. Yeah, for real. And got hit by a city bus and wrestled the next day. Like it was nothing. Yes. And just got back in and was just like there. We're talking about Darby Allen people. Yeah. We're talking about Darby Allen. They know who Darby is. If you watch AEW, you know AEW, if you know Ball, you know who Darby Allen, the guy who would do it. And all he does is just sacrifice his body for everything. Like literally, he came on stage and he lit someone on fire with a blowtorch. Yeah, Darby Allen's crazy. He's climbed Mount Everest in real life. Yo, for real. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:Didn't he use, didn't they call in the city?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he called and he planted the flag, the AEW flag at the top of Mount Everest. And he called, like, yeah, he did a promo at the top of Mount Everest.
SPEAKER_03:He's one of those people. Oh, Red Bull would love him. Red Bull would love him.
SPEAKER_02:But that's why they were talking about are you cleared or not? Because he wasn't medically. That's why he kept it. What did he break the sign? Is he actually clear? Like, is he really clear? Like, come on.
SPEAKER_01:You're clearing this duck? Really? It's just a dude that can fall in. Right. Always, always. Like, what's that meme that it goes around? I think it's from Family Guy. Always followed. Peter, always followed. Always.
SPEAKER_02:And that's Darby. That gets back up. Darby in one of the matches against the uh Young Bucks. He's in the ring on top of a ladder. The dude is laying on the chair. He has a bunch of chairs, like five, six chairs. And he gets panes of glass. Panes of glass along the chairs, puts the dude on top of it. He does a flip off the top of the ladder that's in the ring. Does a flip off the top of the ladder. The dude moves. He goes straight through the glass. Immediately on his back, you see the blood just start coming on his back. Mind you, he has a p he has a tattoo of a spine on his spine. On his spine.
SPEAKER_03:Darby don't feel pain. He's different, bro. He's different. That was those authentic white people. Yes. He's beyond. He's beyond. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's why it's like yo. He's different. Yo. And it's like when you look at wrestling too, like you know, like to go back to like this was your first show. With me, I'm the same way. But I feel like what it gets what gets me more involved of it, that tells my brain, is because I'm able to understand. There's certain distinguishing factors when it comes to wrestling to understand, all right, you're taking a bump. That's real.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You're taking, not only are you taking a bump, chops hurt like hell. You hurt the champ. At least I at least know that when you're smacking the shit out of people. Smacking like, yeah, owe you money type shit. You feel me? So that's how I know, like, that's real.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, you gotta train for that. Yeah. Did you know that there's in wrestling, in the wrestling business, that's a basic, this is a basic intro class. Yes. Chop 101. 15 chops. Oh, for real.
SPEAKER_02:Seriously. That's chop class. You gotta, because if not, you gotta know how to be able to take them first. So like in Japan, 30 shots. You better not fall. You fall, we start over. Oh, yeah. You gotta take every single shot. You and you better take it.
SPEAKER_01:So let's say they tell you to go like a whole, they like they have people line up or whatever, right? You gotta take 15 each person. You fall down, we're doing it again.
SPEAKER_02:What? And that's this thing with like with the punches. Yeah. With Ric Flair, Rick Flair tell you, I got so good at throwing punches that he would put a string on the door. And you know, if anybody walked by a piece of string, it's gonna move. He would throw punches and the string wouldn't move. So that's the point. You gotta work on making it look like, oh man, he actually hit this person, but I'm not hurting my opponent.
SPEAKER_03:It's so fast you're pulling it.
SPEAKER_02:It's like the but that's why when you've seen uh some of the chops, and like you may not hear it, they'll be hitting their leg. Yeah. So they won't hit them that hard and they'll do it at the same time. It'll go bow and they're hitting their leg, but they're not actually hitting them hard.
SPEAKER_01:Like you'll mostly hear the leg, like they'll they'll smack their legs mostly for like when they're doing like a mid-kick, uh-huh, a sub, like a kick or a super kick. Like you ever notice it, that's not really how they sound like kicking their head. Exactly. But like they'll just, oh, or like when they go for like a knee, uh-huh, they'll hit it coming in.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, leg, and you wouldn't even know because it it mimics the impact at that one.
SPEAKER_01:Sometimes they'll go with the motion. So let's say, like, you know how like to catch um to catch the Kenny Omega, they're both known for going with their knees, with their flying knees. So when they're going in, the minute that they go up off the come up, uh-huh, that's how the knee, because the hand when they're running, just catches it off the come up. So you're hitting it, you're basically in motion. So us as the spectator, you're not gonna be able to see that he hit his leg. You're gonna hear that thud. You're like, what the hell? But then you could know, oh, he probably hit his leg because you feel me thing. Because obviously, if you put a knee to the face, that's gonna break.
SPEAKER_04:That's gonna mess somebody up.
SPEAKER_02:But even a clothesline, people don't realize like a clothesline can give you a heavy whiplash. That's heavy.
SPEAKER_03:That can give you a concussion so quick. That's happened in the matchable. Because your body's going this way and then your head goes this way. Yeah, automatic. And these dudes are strong. Yeah, and that's why they're noticed.
SPEAKER_02:Half of them look like superheroes. Yes, yes. You see Kevin Knight, she flies like one too.
SPEAKER_03:Fly like one too. These guys move like superheroes. And the luchador guy? Mascara Dorada. Yes, sir, mascaros. And like I realized, I realized 24. She's 24. You know, you know the referees watching the entire thing. I just I realized AEW is just live anime. Yo, live anything. I like that anime. Yeah, I like the perfect analogy. Because if if all the blows were actually like the the contact was actually hidden, I mean, the announcers, the the animation of everyone, the um, the movement, the antics, like everything that encompasses, like the referee when he's throwing the uh the one. It's it's so anime-like. Yeah. It's so very just it's anime.
SPEAKER_01:You see, that's why I feel like if you want to watch wrestling, watch AEW. Right. If you want to watch entertainment as far as like acting or like, you know, people, you know, learning their like getting their essence of their gimmick, you can watch WWE. Right. If you want to see real physical, physical. Like if you want to watch real man, yes, and you want to see physical. And if you also just want to see, if you just some dirt back, some just fucking wants to see blood and guts, then you have GCW. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:So like there's a there's a there's a there's a sub-genre of wrestling called hardcore wrestling. Yeah, okay. So on the indie circuit, a lot of the times you have hardcore wrestling. So one of the dudes that's most popular for it is Nick Gage. Yes. Nick Gage comes to the ring. You see these lights at the top? Yeah. He comes to the ring with those lights. I beg your pardon. With the tube or you can't do that. You know how you have lights? He comes to the ring with light tubes and he will hit you over the head with a light tube. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. One time he was on AEW fighting Chris Jericho. Oh my God. The sponsor for the commercial was Domino's. Unbeknownst to the wrestlers, Chris Jericho takes out a pizza cutter and rolls it on top of his head during the domino sponsorship. That was the last domino sponsor. Ever. But he legitimately used a pizza cutter and to throw some color. Just because. Just because he couldn't. Like John Moxley, who you seen. Yeah. He's always throwing fucking color. He has a fork. Yeah. And he will stab you with a fork until you bleed. Now that don't sound like much, but imagine continuously getting stabbed with a fork in the same spot.
SPEAKER_01:He'll put it in your freaking nail bed. It's not a plastic fork. No, metal fork. Metal fork.
SPEAKER_02:See, in AEW, they allow more color, more bleeding and stuff like that. And WWE is a big thing. Isn't white kid yelling his elbow is bleeding? Right. That's why I'm like, no.
SPEAKER_01:Because Mike bleeds all the time. Any little thing. Yes. Any little thing. You can tap him in the jaw, he's bleeding. He's gonna blade himself bleeding.
SPEAKER_02:So he's bleeding. Yeah. So there's anime. Yeah. This is my point. It's anime. Because then that's the other thing. How do you start bleeding? How? When did you manage to get the blade? Right. So some dudes get cut the hard way. You get actually busted open. A lot of the times, a lot of dudes blade.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So you see how they have their wrists and stuff tapped uh taped up. Yeah. They'll keep a blade inside. So say when they get thrown out the ring or they fall on the floor, they can get said blade, give yourself a little cut, and oh no, the punch, oh, I hit the thing. I'm bleeding now. Yep. So it's different ways to do it. Sometimes it goes bad, like with Eddie Guerrero. He hit a vein by his hairline. Oh, yeah. Remember against JBL.
SPEAKER_01:Just pouring blood. Pouring blood. Pouring blood. So like him, who else is another one that was like was horrible with getting colored? Oh, Chris Ben Wise. Oh, look. Hey. That told us something. Yo, bro. To some degree, I ain't gonna lie. CTE did it, man. Some degree. Yes. Because what's crazy is I was watching a match that he was doing. Like, all right, listen, I understand. Like everybody, however you feel about him, or whatever. All right. Yes, like Heyman said, yes, he's an asshole as a person. But if we're talking wrestling aspect, you know what? In ring, I you gotta give it to him. He's a technician, he's a man of many holes and everything.
SPEAKER_02:Undersized the stuff that he's gonna do.
SPEAKER_01:You feel me? Exactly. But when you see starting off, when he faced Chris Jericho, Lion Hart, and when he had blue, yes, bro. When you see the the lineup of when CTE was getting lined up onto him, everything was straight headshot. Remember, his finisher was a flying headbutt.
SPEAKER_02:His finisher was a flying headbutt. There's no way. He would hit the finisher and start seizing up. Remember, he would start shaking. Actually shaking. Remember when he did the suicide dive outside? He was just like. And he hits the ground and actually starts seizing up from his concussion. Bro, his eyes literally roll back. Yo.
SPEAKER_01:Because he's having a concussion in front of us. Yo, for real. But for our amusement, we're sick of enough to watch that. That's wrestling. Back then, them chair shots was real.
SPEAKER_02:Like the oldest UF?
SPEAKER_01:Straight to the head. Straight to the head. Dude, remember? I can't remember. Yo, I think it was Money in the Bank. He was bleeding, yo, he had stitches. Yes. And he reopened them up. Mm-hmm. Because he did a flying headbutt to Kane.
SPEAKER_02:It's like, why is a flying headbutt?
SPEAKER_01:Why is that the why is that the move? No more flying headbutts, please. You have CTE. A lot of his yo, bro, but when you see a lot of matches too, if you would just, I felt like a lot of times people was forcefully going for his head. But that's what he wanted. Like Mick Foley.
SPEAKER_02:Mick Foley. Oh my goodness. Is like mankind is like the hardcore outside after Terry. Yes. Okay. You've heard of the Jack.
SPEAKER_03:I thought of is it Jack? Cactic Jack. Cactic Jack. Yes. Wait, is it WWE? Yeah, WWE. He's done everything. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because for some reason you said that and I was thinking of what's his name? Oh, Jump Jack. Jack Jake. That's right. Jumping the Jack originally. I was like, what?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no. He's another sick off.
SPEAKER_02:When it comes to He the one that got lit on fire. Yeah. He got lit on fire.
SPEAKER_01:I don't understand. He went through that. Really set him on fire.
SPEAKER_02:They bug. It's so much stuff that goes into wrestling. Yo, for real, man. And you can you will enjoy it. If you watch it, just keep following it. Just follow for a pay-per-view cycle. And I would I guess send me the links. Yes, I got you. I got you. Yeah, send me the links. I can show you old matches. Like you ain't see Will Ospreay yet. You haven't seen Swerve. There's so many people. Like you ain't see the uh Manny Omega match? Oh my God. You would lose your mind if you see a Kenny Omega or Brian Danielson match.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And there's so many different kinds of wrestling. There's technical wrestling, there's lucha wrestling, it's strong style, it's so many different colours, straight like you know, bare knuckle, you know, like using that type of wrestling.
SPEAKER_01:And I feel like that's where indie wrestling, when you learn to love indie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then when you go back to it, the heart of it. Right. PCW days. Right. Just getting the call-up. WCW. And just wrestling and having a good time. Exactly. Like really having a good time. Traveling, understanding that, like the ravens of the crowd, the Stings. You know, you have your Eddie Guerreros, you have your, you know, your NWOs, your DX. You could have anything of it. But once you understand your story and everything, you know, wrestling, yes, we get it. It's scripted, but it is real, putting your body on the line.
SPEAKER_02:You know, and them bumps them guys take. Like even just learning how to take a bump. Yeah. That in and of itself is hard as hell. Remembering to always tuck your chin and stuff like that. Or you will break your neck if you don't tuck your chin on certain moves. You will break your neck. Oh, brother, you got me there, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Or else, if you don't tuck your chin, for those that don't know, you're gonna end up, oh brother, you got me. Fucking Hogan, man. Always. Oh my goodness. Serious. Working with Undertaker. He literally just took a driver and boom. That's just like you had to be. Oh, you got me, brother. It was a clean shot.
SPEAKER_02:So a lot of the stuff you see, because it's scripted, these dudes are taking care of their opponent. So when you see them slams and stuff, those people's necks are cradled. Yeah. So that they're not hurting them. So a lot of the people.
SPEAKER_03:I noticed that from the pile driver, just watching it live. Uh huh.
SPEAKER_02:Oh no, he's actually his hands is what hitting the. Right. Right. So it's also protecting the person in the ring. And the referee is important too. So the referee is getting instructions from the back, the people that's watching the show. And they get instructions. They also have to see if people get hurt.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:They the ones that, no, no, no, stop it. Hold up, hold up. Get the doctor over here. Pause the match. They have to be aware of all that stuff too, while also staying in Kfabe. Make sure one, two, three, all that kind of stuff. If they get pushed by a uh person, they gotta play along with it and stuff too. Yep. So there's a lot of moving parts that go into it. It's really dope.
SPEAKER_01:There's a lot of pieces that tell this story correctly. And when done correctly, you have art. Yes. But when done lazedly, you're gonna have slopping what WWE is now. Oh my goodness. I would never think in a thousand years that WWE would show their like, I would say like their tempo.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:In a sense. And I feel like you can see over the course of it, after Vince, it's just gone down.
SPEAKER_02:It's just like that. They had their little bloodline run. You took Cody from AEW. It was nice. Yep. But now, now that you don't have that no more, and Roman Reigns done left and going to Hollywood and stuff, you gotta come up with, you gotta make superstars now. Oh, of course. And they haven't done it. The stories suck. Every match ends in interference or DQ finish. It's like, come on, man. We don't want to talk about it.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, it's gone bad. It's gone really bad. Unfortunately.
SPEAKER_02:And they the thing is though, they have talent. There's so much talent there.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of young talent. A lot of talent. But they're focusing on old talent. A lot of old wrestlers that you can do.
SPEAKER_03:Because I guess they're trying to hold on to the things that work. It is a gray area. It's like murky water is trying to get the young talent to because you know this worked for so long. And like we don't know if these people are gonna work.
SPEAKER_02:Because the thing in wrestling is the old dudes eventually are supposed to pass it on to the young guys.
SPEAKER_01:So you some of them want to hang on to it. And it's just like, yo, come on, no.
SPEAKER_02:You gotta pass the twist. You gotta pass the twist.
SPEAKER_01:We get it, thank you. And that's why I respect when John Cena said, like, you know what? I already know that I'm missing a step, and I don't want to ruin the art by continuing going. And now it's that's disgraceful. Just being a part-time worker. Exactly. And you know what? So I respect it. Because at the end of the day, yes, we already know him for the five moves of doom.
SPEAKER_02:Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:But it's working for him. That's why when he used it in his heel run, when he was a bad guy, he slowed it down. Right. Okay. Because when you're fast pacing it, when we're getting, you know, face John Cena, he's doing that whole, you know, that fast pacing it. Right. That's when we see it.
SPEAKER_02:That's what we like as the crowd, as babyface. That's what we want to see as a baby.
SPEAKER_01:So that's why I feel like where you know the aspect of like how to utilize your gimmick, it plays into part with where the art can be made. Because if you honestly are gonna just sit there and really take it in and heed into your character, for instance, his five moves of Doom, I love them now. Understanding that within the slow space.
SPEAKER_02:You know what it's supposed to, you know what is leading up to. Oh, give me that.
SPEAKER_01:I'll take that any type of day. I could watch it. Psychology. Exactly. Oh, it's a lot of psychology.
SPEAKER_02:It's a lot of psychology. It's a lot of it. So, like the person you've seen uh Pac. Yeah. Oh, when Pac is a face, he does more high-flying moves. He's more off the ropes. Like he can jump off the top, hit that Falcon Arrow like it's nothing. But as a heel, oh, I know the crowd wants to see that. I'm not doing it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So I know how to work it by being on the ground. And I can still put in five-star matches and give you a great match. You feel me? Like nothing off of just being on the ground. And my move is a high flying move. That's the only high flying that you'll see.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we definitely need to work this into the podcast. As like a standalone. It could go out on like a Saturday or something. This is actually fascinating.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't know it was so technical and like for instance, recently I went to a fourth rope event. Shout out West Side Gun. West Gun literally doing his thing. And not for nothing. Leaving that show. Yeah, it was in Six Flags. Yeah, it was like a small thing. They still showed, they mind you, the original card was changed. Right. Because Six Flags themselves, they closed the park. Ah, I guess like the night before. Exactly. Not only that they ended earlier, but I think it was like for uh for weather reasons.
SPEAKER_02:Gotcha. Yeah, they gotta be safe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:On late notice, Westside Westside and Smoke Dizzy, they literally changed the card. Had last minute wrestlers come in. Right. Yo, still put on a show. Still a great show. The Hardy's were supposed to be there. The Good Brothers were supposed to be there, but they couldn't do it for the makeup show. Right, right. So, okay, cool. Last minute wrestlers came in and put in a high caliber show that you would think it was part of that that was part of it. Right. And so literally, and like I said, they showed that they're a contender, that they can contend. And if you've seen that show, if the show, the video when it goes out and everything, shout out your boy was over there, you know, for fourth rope, you know. Not gonna lie, it was fire, but you can actually see the aspect of it. Right. Fourth rope, I'm telling you, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up coming up into a contender shit. Got a chance to exactly. Yeah. They'll definitely compete.
SPEAKER_02:I think if Westside is smart, you align yourself with AEW, CMLL, New Japan. Yep. Use they'll use those wrestlers, because that's who you use. Those are the wrestlers you're using anyway. Pretty much. Use those wrestlers under those, but under the under that umbrella, especially after what WWE did to him, taking him on the far world, kicking him out the stadium, stuff like that. You need to go where where people are gonna accept you. AEW has accepted him from the beginning. From the whenever they have a show in Buffalo, they make sure him and his people's got the front row. Yo, for real. Like, so if they showing you love like that, that's who you need to align yourself with. Work with those people. For real. But that's that's the main thing about AEW that's so dope. Because open door.
SPEAKER_01:Like they have an open door, open arms, welcoming kind of thing. And I love that because you know what? Again, fast-paced wrestling, whether it's fast placed, more uh stand, like walk alone or whatever, it's still wrestling, and it's all about the art of it. You know, showing respect, paying homage to it. And if you're being honest, hip-hop, if it wasn't for hip hop, we would not continuously have wrestling on that spectrum.
SPEAKER_02:Wrestling wouldn't be viewed as cool if it wasn't people like Wale, West Side, Smoke Digital. Thank you. All those people that make wrestling cool.
SPEAKER_01:You know, commodity.
SPEAKER_02:That's the only reason why like hip-hop has a like welcomed it with open arms and in just culture in general, because you have people that's talking about it. Wale does a thing called Wale Mania. The same week of WrestleMania, whatever city they in, he has a concert.
SPEAKER_01:And all the wrestlers will go there. The wrestlers will pull up, they'll have like their they'll showcase like their theme songs and everything. And you know, they'll be good. It's a good time.
SPEAKER_02:So there's just a lot of stuff with wrestling and with the territories, yeah. Like WWE for so long, Vince McMahon wiped out everybody. He got rid of everybody, which is popular. AW did the opposite. Yeah, when they came in, and that's where you get their pay per view called Forbidden Door. Yep. You open the Forbidden Door because before, a WWE wouldn't work with New Japan. WWE wouldn't work with the Mexican companies like CMLL. CMLL has been the longest promotion ever. Before trip, they've been in business, what is a hundred plus years? Yeah. A wrestling promotion. A hundred plus years of wrestling. This goes back to the 19s, whatever. Luchadors. Yes. For real. And WWE wouldn't work with them. So when AEW came in, hey, New Japan. Yeah, I know we took some of y'all people, but guess what? We're gonna have this show. You bring your people over here. We're gonna showcase your people, vice versa. Everybody get love. Oh, triple A, you want to come over? Cool. Are you acting stupid now? CMLL. Yup. Come on. Oh, there's plenty of wrestlers here. So now we can so now we can go to Mexico and have a chance. It's an ecosystem. It's an ecosystem. And that's how wrestling used to work. Wrestling was a bunch of territories all over America. So New York and the upper East Coast was WWF. But then when you go down south, it was mid-South Atlantic. And then you had Smoky Mountain wrestling. And you had all these different territories and WA. Which was where Ric Flair was at. And you had where Devon Ericks was. You had so many different promotions. Dusty Rhodes and all of them. It's so many different things. And wrestling completely flipped from that. But now it's starting to get back to promotions again, everybody working together.
SPEAKER_01:And it's kind of lit. And I would say if it wasn't for AEW lighting that spark, at least doing that spark. WWE needed AEW for that. Yep. They did. Because they offered it.
SPEAKER_02:They legitimately offered an alternative. Yep. Because WWE was phoning it in. Yeah. And AEW came along and said, okay, y'all tired of watching that? Come watch wrestling. Come watch edgy.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Back to edgy wrestling. Back to what you know.
SPEAKER_03:So essentially what you fell in love with. Exactly. They brought it back.
SPEAKER_02:Come watch wrestling. Where their tagline is where the best wrestle. When you watch WWE, you can go a whole episode of WWE of Raw, which is your, like, what is best. You'll have three hours and there'll be three matches. Which is like a slap.
SPEAKER_01:All the semantics and just a lot.
SPEAKER_02:And it's just a slap in the face. And you seen what you've seen today. You sat there for three hours and saw what, nine, ten matches in three hours? That was crazy. And the thing is, they still going right now. They're still going. So after the collision card ended, they had another hour of Ring of Honor to film.
SPEAKER_01:And then they also do a dark match too. Mm-hmm. So like after everything. So like another one. And there's just a regular. Anybody could just go to Jim. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03:So I guess for both of you guys, how long before AEW surpasses WWE?
SPEAKER_01:That's a lesson. Or do you think that's a good idea? I would say, because I like having this conversation, at least hearing that question. If AEW really wants to actually take over the entertainment, they would need a place like Daily's place to have them covered. Because remember, when they were upcoming and everything, they were really, it was just ample time before you would hear like a WWE was probably closing their doors. I would at least say that it could probably be my opinion or whatever. But that's where the storyline comes in. That's where you really have to understand to be able to put rivalries together and actually get to that feud, get to the, you know, to the art and nitty-gritty and everything. But if you're all you're known is just straightforward wrestling and you got guys that are just, you know, have no mic skills, but they can tell a freaking heavy story in the ring, uh that's where it kind of has your thing. Whereas WWE, their prime, their main focus, everybody's doing a freaking promo and a half. Everybody's on camera doing some cra some crazy bullshit. Semantic. Exactly just straight semantical before you're gonna ever see an act before we get to the ring. And that's where I like, you know, right now, if AEW wants to contend, get storyline behind there. Tony Conway had to lay off the fucking Coke and finally.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Oh Coke. He's socially awkward. Something, man. He I know he definitely might be on the spectrum. I definitely think he's on the spectrum a little bit, but he he's very socially awkward. Yeah. You could tell he just wanted those. Remember back then, wrestling was for nerds. Yeah. For the most part.
SPEAKER_03:I saw a couple of them.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I saw a couple of them. You don't leave your house and you ain't wash in a few days. Yeah. You smell musty, my dog. Don't clean, don't clean yourself, my boy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. You see a few of them there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And those be the guys that actually, it's crazy that they have an opinion on what wrestling should be.
SPEAKER_02:The ones that comment on everything online. We call them the online sicko, the IWC. So let's hope they find us then. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because they are annoying. They don't do nothing. Like they don't work. They just live in the basement for their mom's time.
SPEAKER_01:For instance, they'll probably give us shit for having our opinions. We'll get shit for probably me mentioning fucking Chris Benoit. I don't give a fuck. I will name names or whatever.
SPEAKER_03:Do you know what YouTube calls that? Engagement. Pretty much. You just say thank you for your opinion. And you keep it pushing. That's what I started doing. I don't, you see some of the comments. I tell people thank you for being here. As negative as a comment is, I was like, you took time to hate on this. Please bring friends next time. Exactly. Don't forget to subscribe. Thank you for being here and helping the algorithm. There's a lot of people who just don't respond again after. Yeah. Yeah. They want to argue. They don't again.
SPEAKER_02:They don't have lives. That's what they live for. They live for an argument. So I should argue with them. That's what they live.
SPEAKER_01:But that's why you're not booking the shows.
SPEAKER_03:It's so hilarious, too. I'm gonna at least live for it. I don't know what you're gonna go. You know what? Thank you for the conversation.
SPEAKER_02:And then they're gonna make themselves too. They feel like everybody wins. Everybody wins.
SPEAKER_01:For instance, I had I had done a I had I had a take, and I basically said, Hangman Adam Page, his promos is just straight fucking boring.
SPEAKER_02:No, his babyface promos.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, those two. The heel promos are me. He gets into his heel mode. Yeah, all right. I can take him because I can understand what a cowboy is. But when you start going into this whole, we could have done this together, bullshit. It ain't wrestling. You're on your own.
SPEAKER_02:He's Yamaha. I'm gonna give you some pushback on that one. I feel you again. And I and so hangman as a character, he is the heart of AEW. Don't get me wrong. Yes, I get the thing. There's no AEW without Hangman. Hangman is the story of AEW. He is the story. So how things fluctuate with him, the thing of Hangman is Hangman is supposed to be, he's a millennial cowboy for the most part.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:That's the tagline of them. He's a millennial cowboy. So as a millennial cowboy, he's in touch with his feelings. He understands things, but he's also an alcoholic. Pretty much. He's also an alcoholic. Cowboy shit. That's what cowboys are. Cowboy shit. So when you seen the face turn, that was actually him as a person. When you hear him talking with Swerve and them two going back and forth, and he burned his house down. He burned his opponent's house down. Yo, for real. He really burned his head. Like he went beyond just the ring. Yeah. He really went and burned his house. He actually burned down his. Yeah. I think it was his childhood house. Yeah, they really were. It really was his childhood house. His childhood house, his actual childhood house. Hangman as a character is so it's so interesting. Because his promos when he is a heel or a tweener, when he's passionate, my God, it comes through the screen. He could be an amazing actor. Yeah. Because it does come through naturally. I think what you're talking about now is. I was just talking about reasoning with Manchester. But no, but that's even then, but it was still like the promo, it made sense because what he was trying to tell, he told Samoa Joe, yo, bro, I gave you the match. You helped me beat Jon Moxley. I'm not denying that. And that's what he was saying. We beat John Moxley. He said, I was gonna give each and every one of y'all a shot at the title. Pretty much. He said, Swerve, you was gonna be whenever you came back, whenever you wanted that title shot, I was gonna give it to you because we beat John Moxley. Yes, I got the pin, but we did it together. Exactly. So I was gonna give you a title match. But instead, you got mad that I beat you and you did this stupidness, Samoa Joe. Now we got a fucking four-way match. He's like all because of you. And that's why he's starting to get angry again. And I'm curious where he's gonna take it. I feel you.
SPEAKER_01:I can see that. He's now starting to watch more as far as hangman. Now he's sitting on me. Don't get me wrong. Pause. You know? No, no, no, no. He's he's sitting on me. You know, he's definitely to the point where he's creeping, where it's like, yo, you know what? You now you can understand him. And it's part of his algorithm, as you will. But like when I I guess like when you watch when you start it off and never.
SPEAKER_02:It was about three, four weeks in a row of the same promo. Yeah. And when it's the same promo, it's like, all right, bro, you done said this already. Yeah. If you don't got nothing to talk about, then let's just get in the damn ring and let's let's fight like we're supposed to. Nah, that's a fact. If you're not gonna fight, then we can just go about our business.
SPEAKER_01:However, and I would also say, I would also state this as well. Without MJF, AEW will not be able to be in that with the to be in that competing aspect.
SPEAKER_02:He's the best on the mic in any company. I don't care what.
SPEAKER_01:He's a generational wrestler, he is a generational talent with that, and he has proven it. In and out the ring. In and out the ring.
SPEAKER_02:Because I think his in the ring work doesn't get the credit that it deserves because his out the ring work is so damn good. That's why I don't get the credit it deserves. When you can go 60 minutes and have Iron Man matches, when you wrestle for 60 minutes, I don't care who you are. To wrestle for 60 minutes, but do it against top competition, to be the world champion for over 400 plus days. He told you to your face that he was gonna do it, though. Yeah, the triple B, baby. The triple B. Triple B.
SPEAKER_04:The Triple Brick Mouth, it's one of those.
SPEAKER_02:It depends. Amir, to answer your question, like AEW does have a chance to go forward, but they're so young in their promotion. It's only six years in. Yeah. You're dealing with a conglomerate that's been around for 50 plus years. So they have you dealing with a company that has a chance to build up brand equity with fans. Yeah. You go through the ups and downs. A lot of the times when you build up a fan base, no matter what the sport is soccer, wrestling, whatever, unless you get the kids and you grow up with it, you don't really have that connection with it. So that's why no one messes with the Nets. Because the Knicks have been here forever. It's gonna take kids of this generation to be born in Brooklyn to be a Brooklyn Nets fan. Exactly. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess for sure. So with AEW, they're still in their infancy. We haven't gotten to a decade yet. We're only five years, six years in. And they're already competing with the so the fact that they're competing, we've had company try this before, and they've all fallen flat on their face. So the fact that they're even still around is a good thing. WWE is backed by TKO. TKO owns UFC and WWE. Oh shit. That's why ESPN is watching is showing WWE now. Yeah. So literally, you can watch Sports Center and they will show you highlights from stuff that happened on wrestling. Yeah. The problem is WWE ain't got no damn highlights, so they don't show nothing.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Because if they had real highlights, they would show something.
SPEAKER_01:Yo, for real. And they're getting pissed. ESPN is getting pissed. Because they put a lot of money behind it. Wrestle Balooza came down. It was stupid. Fucking Survivor Series is tainted.
SPEAKER_02:So they need to end Survivor Series. End it. Take a break. I'm done with war games. I'm done with war games. We don't need no more war games. We don't need no more money in the bank. It's over. Take a break. Let people miss it and then come back to it. Let people miss it for a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:I miss when money in the bank was only a strictly WrestleMania exclusive. Like, you know, you can give the spectator, the consumer, an actual break of it. But having to go year in, year out, seeing the same people compete for it. The Royal Rumble is the only event that's like a themed should be every year.
SPEAKER_02:Because that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01:You win the Rumble, you choose your champion, who you want to face. There you go. That's your opportunity.
SPEAKER_02:And this year, I hope they don't do it so early. My God. We're gonna be in the middle of the year. Finding out the winner in January, but mania not happening until April.
SPEAKER_01:God knows how long. We're gonna get a WrestleMania in Saudi.
SPEAKER_02:No, yeah, 2027.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:2027. WrestleMania is gonna be in Saudi Arabia.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. And my thing about it is it's like, again, I had nothing to, I'm nothing against it, or you know, about its own. But it's just like, dude, like go show actual states that, you know, really rep you. Dude, you shortened your stadiums just so that way you could be able to compete with sellouts. But even then, dude, I bought a I had gone to SmackDown, and it's crazy. Sold out Arena Barclays, but they had tarps on chairs.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, always. Always. Always. There's not actually a sellout.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Not actually a sellout.
SPEAKER_01:So it's just there's a market that you are sold out. But it's like, yo, bro, but it's okay. Because technically, literally okay.
SPEAKER_02:Technically, you can have a sellout if you take away certain sections. Because a lot of the times that happens anyway. You'll get two or three sections taken out because you can't visually see from those sections. So because you can't see nothing, I wouldn't sell you tickets or something you can't see.
SPEAKER_01:Which is true.
SPEAKER_02:And I definitely understand. Understood. But like you were saying, it's like a hidden map. For them is because we're not selling tickets. Yeah. That's all I'm seeing. We're gonna get rid of this section because we didn't sell enough tickets. But when we come on TV, because we got rid of this section, we can still call it a sellout. Yep. Because technically, the sections we offered have sold out. Out. Yeah. So it's a semantics game. Very much. So, like technically, today was a sellout. What we went to, we went to a real sellout.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was there was no seats.
SPEAKER_02:No seats there. Everybody wall to wall. People were standing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's people in the back. Exactly. That's a real sellout. There's nothing tarped off, nothing like that. You can't tarp the hammerstein. Not possible.
SPEAKER_01:Let WWE go to the Hammerstein. I wonder how that would be.
SPEAKER_02:Not enough money.
SPEAKER_01:Not enough money there. You can't pay.
SPEAKER_02:They would have to charge thousands of dollars for them to make their nut. Oh, very much. For them. For them to make their nut.
SPEAKER_01:I could only see NXT, if anything. That would be like a WWE thing to do.
SPEAKER_02:And they wouldn't make enough money.
SPEAKER_03:When did NXT start?
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So wait, wait.
SPEAKER_02:Wait, wait. So NXT first was Florida Gulf Rustling, FGW. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's OVW. Thank you. Because that's where John Cena, Roman Reigns, Brock Lesnar, that's where all of them, Brandy Orin, all came from that promotion. And that was the WWE feeder system. Eventually, that becomes NXT in like 2010. Yeah. It becomes NXT. And that's when Triple H takes over NXT. And NXT became an actual rival because there were better matches and better storylines on NXT TV than was on the main show that Vince was doing. Yeah. So everybody fell in love with NXT TV because also those were your independent wrestlers finally getting a chance on TV. Your Roger Strong's, your Adam Coles, your Kyle O'Reilly's. Yep. Undisputed Era. That is black and gold NXT is the Undisputed Era. You get people like Drew McIntyre, Samoa Joe. All of those people that was on the indies, they make their mark in NXT before they got called up. So NXT was an amazing show for a good while. It's not until Triple H has to leave and go to the main show. And AEW is invented that NXT no longer serves its purpose. Because it was supposed to be a developmental brand from the beginning.
SPEAKER_01:Like a farm system, if you will, where you go so that way you could be able to go up to the main roster. So and you're already under contract. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:You're already under contract. Because all wrestlers are independent contractors. So it depends on the deal you sign. You can be here for a year. Okay, I'm out. I'm gonna go over here. It depends. But excuse me, a lot of the people now, if you're good enough, you're gonna sign a five-year deal. Five year deal, you're gonna stay at this one promotion. And then after the five years is up, it's like a 90-day or a year non-compete clause. So you can't do nothing unless you unless you resign with us. If you go to somewhere else, these next 90 to 180 days, you can't do shit. Oh wow. And if you are up there, you will be in violation of your contract and you will owe us money.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. If we see you on TV. Unless you're Undrade and you don't give a shit. Right.
SPEAKER_02:Well, he had a loophole in his.
SPEAKER_01:Yo, which is crazy.
SPEAKER_02:He had a loophole in his contract where they never like specified how much time was supposed to be on it. But because of that, he signed with AEW. He didn't want to be in WWE no more. They gave him his release. Yep. But when he appeared on TV, WWE said, uh-uh, wait a minute, time out. We're gonna put this in court. And now the whole thing is in court, and that's just slowing things down on purpose. Yeah. So by the time they dismiss the case, he can be on TV.
SPEAKER_01:So now he's on House of Glory. I feel like it's just a matter of time before he goes back into AEW.
SPEAKER_02:As long as it's not televised, I think he can do it. Yeah. Because he he technically did not wrestle. That's true. When he appeared on House of Glory, he literally made an appearance. I didn't beat nobody up. I didn't have a match. Well, technically he heard it. Yeah, he gave you the little one-two. Little one-two, but I didn't have a match.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly. That's true. I did not have a match. There was no one-through three. There was nothing, you feel me? It was after the affair. That was it. The show was over, and this is exactly what I did. I made, I made I marked my, you know, where I'm coming from.
SPEAKER_02:Because like the biggest star now in WWE is Cody Rhodes. Oh, yeah. Cody Rhodes made his like mark on the indies and in AEW. He's one of the inventors of AEW, one of the beginning people to found AEW. The problem with him was he it was his fault. Yeah. He booked himself as he couldn't win the championship no more. So when you give yourself a cap, you only can go but so high now. And he lost the match. MJF made him lose the match that he couldn't win the title no more. So now you give yourself a cap. Then he always wants to be a good guy. Cody never wants to be a bad guy. And because of that, you heard the crowd today. If they're not feeling it, they gonna tell you. So Cody literally he wears a little weight belt. He throws it into the crowd, you know, yeah, the kids get it, it's nice. And AEW, it got to the point where the belt was coming back to him because they were so tired. Oh wow. So he went to WWE. But him going to WWE was such a huge deal because it's like, yo, your best wrestler came over to WWE and he became a superstar over there. Rightfully so. But AEW was like, all right, we cool. We got plenty of other people that we can build with. And that's what you see now. I wish you could have seen Kenny Omega.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I feel like if you would have seen Kenny Omega, you definitely would have seen it.
SPEAKER_03:Kenny Omega is so I'll make a group chat and we'll just you guys just send me stuff. I'll take a look.
SPEAKER_02:Because that's one of those. If you ever get to see Kenny Omega perform.
SPEAKER_01:You gotta see Okada versus Kenny to catch the versus Kenny Omega. Three. I mean with Ricochet. We're Ricochet and Dynasty.
SPEAKER_02:And the thing is, people forget those matches he was having, he had a disease called diverticulitis. So diverticulitis eats at your intestines. So he has three feet of intestine missing now, and he still wrestles. But he was wrestling that whole time with that disease and hernia. Had six belts at one point. And he was doing that kind of wrestling, elite level wrestling with diverticulitis.
SPEAKER_03:Literally coughing up blood and stuff like that. That's crazy. Okay, so to close us up, um I guess what is something you guys would tell someone who's never seen AEW before? Like what's a piece of advice you give them, or what's like a like a note you would say based on your experience so far? Maybe they've seen wrestling, WWE, maybe they they're being hesitant, or maybe they stopped watching a long time ago when all the the good ones left.
SPEAKER_01:For me, I would say watch the product fully first and then give your actual input. If you don't understand ball, if you don't understand wrestling or anything, watch the story, like watch the semantics behind the actual wrestling. Watch how they're moving their bodies. Each of it, you can tell no matter what, who's the bad guy and who's the good guy. And before you do that, yes, we always want the good guy to win, the one that you're going for. But sometimes the assholes gotta get it. The assholes gotta get it.
SPEAKER_03:That's for the story. That's for the story.
SPEAKER_01:You feel me? The good the good guys is always, we always want the good guys to win, but the bad guys always has to come up on top. Yep. You feel me? Always.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, Mike? If you haven't seen AW before, I would say just keep an open mind. During the course of your two-hour weekly television show that you watch, or if you do watch a pay-per-view, you're going to see a bunch of different styles of wrestling that you probably won't see when you watch WWE. So see if you find a style that actually works for you, that fits you. And if you aren't aware, there's places you can go. Fight for wrestling on YouTube. Uh Sean Ross Sap is really, really good with that. Um, Alice Pulowski, Miss Kate Fabe, Eboo, uh Lyric Wrestling. She's another one. Super dope. There's a really uh Righteous Reg of Grapsity. Like, there's a really dope wrestling community where there's actual positive people that will actually help you learn and stuff like that. There's a person on Twitter, her name is the Wrestling Auntie, and she's a black woman from Milwaukee, and she was like, I don't really know much about AEW, da da da. Can y'all tell me? And now every week she's live tweeting every show because people was nice to her, and now she's following and she's learning about wrestling and stuff. And that's cool. There is an actual dope wrestling community that's out there with really dope people in it that, like you said, you get away from the sickles who don't live who don't get out of their mom's basement, but to come to a show and complain on their mom work on their mom Wi-Fi. Yeah. Outside of them, people ignore them. Yeah, there's so many great people that you can talk to and learn about wrestling, and that's what I think the beauty of AEW is. You just get to learn.
SPEAKER_01:I would also add, like, a little small thing is don't let these sickles overcloud your opinion. If you feel like, yo, bro, stand 10 toes on what you feel. If you feel like you feel me, this person is how you how you view them and everything, that's your opinion. It's the subject to you yourself because you believe it. You don't have to cave into what these people think. Oh, this is what I would do. Well, if you did that, we can show that that would actually fall off. Whatever your opinion is, stick to it and don't try to, you know, go to somebody else's thing. At the end of the day, like what you like. Like what you like, and if you understand your ball, that's your bald knowledge. That's you. Don't try to listen to these sickos, man. Don't.
SPEAKER_02:You don't gotta go all the way back to 1970 and watch Harley Race. My goodness, like Dean Malenko or somebody, I don't know who. You're never gonna win with this. I don't want to see that. I know I don't want to see that.
SPEAKER_01:Because then it becomes you gotta now you're talking apples and oranges.
SPEAKER_02:This is like, yo, I don't got time for that, dog. Whatever happened in 1965 happened, dog. It ain't got nothing to do with that. I'm not that embedded. Go talk to Dave Melton. I like Hogan. You know what he did.
SPEAKER_01:We're talking about the wrestling.
SPEAKER_02:We're talking about the imagination wrestling's career. Damn. Yeah, man. But no, this has been fun. So we'll I'll cut it on your damn peace. Peace out. It's your boy Mike here.
SPEAKER_01:What's up, man? It's your boy Will. Call me Fredo.
SPEAKER_02:Here we go. This is the then and now segment. Uh, this is the second installation of said segment. Today, we are talking about my personal GOAT, my favorite ever, Mr. Nasir Jones. We will be comparing his most recent release, Light Years, to his most famous debut, Il-Matic. The hip hop Bible. Basically. The hip hop Bible. Very hard to compete with. But we will get into light years. Um, this was him and DJ Premier finally getting up after 30 years for a full-length project that people have been clamoring for Nas and DJ Premier for such a long time. And we finally got the album. Uh, the album is called Light Years. Uh, let me tell you how many tracks is on there. I want to say 15. 15 on the money. Go ahead, Mike. 15 songs, 48 minutes. Um, some of the reaction online, a lot of the production wasn't the favorite of a lot of people. Okay. And I think that uh played into a lot of people's reviews of the album. Sickles within themselves. All right. Well, the thing is, these people wanted to hear Nas and Preem a certain way.
SPEAKER_01:That makes sense.
SPEAKER_02:Based off of their old uh what they're used to.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Off their old collaborations and stuff like that. And I think the biggest problem with this album was the sequencing of the album. It starts off a little slow with My Life is Real and Get Ready. And in New York State of Mind three, I would have probably pushed it a little bit different. Okay. But the sequencing, I think, was the biggest problem with this album. I redid it. And I redid the sequencing. And when I did it, I started it with Welcome to the Underground and Madman. Because Madman, I feel is like when the album, when you listen to it in its entirety, that's when they kind of feel like it starts.
SPEAKER_00:I gotta definitely give that a listen.
SPEAKER_02:And that's not a that's not a good thing waiting three, four songs until it feels like it's starting. Yeah. So that was a little bit of a problem in terms of production. But Nas he cap he capped off an amazing year, starting with the features first from everybody on Mass Appeal, from the Big L album to the two mob deep verses, to what he did. He's had an amazing year. Of course. The Day La album. He's had an amazing year what Nas has done. Of course. And ending it with this album. His rapping. I feel like it just hasn't changed.
SPEAKER_00:It hasn't changed, but it's just like precise.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, like it's it's God level bars and raps. He's the beer of this. Like there's nothing about like when it comes to just bars and Nas rapping and the stuff that Nas is talking about on said album. When you hear a song like Get Ready and you read that title, the I and the T is italicized because he's talking about IT, he's talking about tech.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, y'all need to invest in the video. You need to invest in this kind of stuff. Look what I'm doing. I I got stuff in Resorts World. I got casinos about to open in Queens. And he's talking that kind of talk on this album. And it's it's refreshing to see people grow up in hip hop. And the subject matter changes, but they still are dope rappers. Nah, yeah, that's true. And as time has gone on, Nas is still dope. He has a song on here called Sons, Young Kings. Remember a few years ago, he had a song called Daughters on Life is Good. Yeah. So he has a song called Sons. And that second verse on that song where he's talking about him and his mom. And he's like, when I was growing up, I thought the street sign, the cross, the when it tells you to walk, I thought that was a picture of me and my moms. And that's my mom holding my hand. And I thought that sign was just for us to tell us to walk. And he's just reflecting and reminiscing about the times with his mom and stuff like that. And how he grew up and whatnot. It's super dope.
SPEAKER_01:I feel like with me when it comes to not my phone to cut you off, but Nas definitely storyteller, man.
SPEAKER_02:It's amazing. He made a song called Bouquet. And on the song, he's giving props to every lady in hip-hop history. Wow. Roxanne, Shantae, Ladybug, Mecca. And he's shouting out people now, the Lottos, the nitty skies, the rhapsodies. It's so dope to hear from a top MC like him. It's so dope. He got A Z on this record. Him and A Z back together again. They don't miss him and A Z don't never miss a song like Third Childhood off of Second Childhood. It's a really, really good album. It may not be what people wanted, but after 30 years, you build up such unreasonable expectations that those expectations are never gonna be reached. Never gonna be reached. It's not possible, unfortunately. No, that's a fact. But for me, on a one to ten, I would give uh I'll give light years a strong seven. Strong seven in tot in its totality. Okay I I really hope people get to watch the interview that Joe Budden did with Nas and DJ Premier because it also helps break down the album and explain some of these concepts a little more for people who aren't as familiar with Nas and some of these older songs that go all the way back to them getting together on Ilmatic. So we're gonna compare this album, unfortunately. We gotta compare it to Ilmatic, because Ilmatic is the first one. So for people who aren't familiar with Ilmatic, Ilmatic is referred to as the Bible of hip hop. What Ilmatic did was take multiple producers and put them on different songs and make your album with different producers from Q Tip, the DJ for me. Ilmatic is an amazing project. Ilmatic? Ilmatic? Like New York State of Mind. When you hear that, when you hear New York State of Mind, it takes you back to 94 and you envision everything Nas is talking about. And the storytelling ability of Nas hasn't wavered from day one up until now to light years. But when you go back to Ilmatic and you hear the story he's telling on New York State of Mind, or when you hear a song like Life's a Bitch with A Z, when you got songs like Represent that represent New York, represent, represent where you from, or he's talking to the jail people on One Love with Q Tip. Nah, that's a fact. Like there's so many records and there's so many different directions that Ilmatic went to. It's it showed why Nas was such an amazing rapper. Because Nas came in with LeBron type expectations. His very first verse ever on Live at the Barbecue. When I was 12, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus. If a rapper was to say that today, that would be fire. Exactly. But it was like that. In 91, these dudes was pissed. What? He would have been God. You say something like that. What? When I was 12, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus. Nancy Nas causing murder. What? Police murder. I'm causing hysteria. Like Nas the way he raps, and to see him just continue to evolve. It's so great. Just listening to a rapper like Nas. So no, this album, Light and Years, is not better than Ilmatic. But that's not fair.
SPEAKER_01:It really is.
SPEAKER_02:That's not fair. But in the Nas catalog of music, this is this will probably be a top seven. I'll say seven for now. It probably might be lower. But I'll say a top seven to ten album for Nas.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, gotcha. For his whole catalog.
SPEAKER_02:For his whole catalog, his whole discography.
SPEAKER_01:What about have you? I'm sure you probably heard uh King Nasir. What would you compare if you was to compare uh light years to King's Nazi? Oh, yeah, there you go. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_02:So if I had to put light years in with the three different King's Diseases, I would go, it's KD2. Oh yeah. KD2, I feel, is a legitimate Nas classic. Yeah. That was robbed from him because of COVID. Because of COVID and not being able to be outside and be with the masses and enjoy the music. We missed some of what KD2's real impact could have been.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But I put KD2 first, then KD3, because KD3 is just the way he's rapping on there, that might be some of Nas's best rapping in his career. But then I will put light years ahead of KD1.
SPEAKER_01:I feel you.
SPEAKER_02:I will put it, I will put it slightly above it. And King's Disease was good, but you could feel Nas was getting his tempo with Hit Boy. Gotcha. And it finally shows on KD. The KD2 magic, KD3 run that woof. Woof.
SPEAKER_01:Nas is just showing you that he still had it. 50.
SPEAKER_02:50 years old. And it's not just the raps. We're getting into other aspects of life. And I'm telling you about it through these raps. Very much. Because y'all don't want to read. So cool. I'm going to tell you. Listen to the songs, and I'm going to tell you how to get on. Exactly. I love it. I love seeing him continue to grow. I love seeing him make a lane for older MCs and older artists to put out their work and get their art celebrated by their fan base. What he did for the Raekwons and Ghostface and the Mob Deeps and De La Souls, Big L, like all that whole mass appeal run. What his 2026, what his 2025 has been, is nothing short of amazing. And when you hear him talk, it sounds like he's about to drop another one next year. I wouldn't be surprised. He don't stop. I don't know where he gets the time to do it.
SPEAKER_00:It's like he's inadvertently trying to show us the like give us the keys. Showing us the keys by telling us what it is.
SPEAKER_02:He's just cementing his legacy more and more.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, very much.
SPEAKER_02:So I just hope Nas, you keep doing what you're doing. Premiere, it was cool, man. It was cool, man. I get what you was doing with this album. It was cool, man. I liked I like the samples. I like the scratches. But keep doing your thing. But this was then and now. Nasier Jones from Light Years to Ilmatic.
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