She Got Laid Off. 4 Months Later, She Had Her Own Practice Dr. Meghan Tierney

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Profitable Private Practice Podcast, the show that proves that private practice isn't dead. It's just getting started. I'm Chaka Anachuku, and every week I sit down with thriving private practice doctors who are rewriting the rules and redefining what success looks like in healthcare. From smart business moves to mindset shifts and everything in between, we're here to show you how to build a practice that is not only profitable but purpose-driven. If you're ready to thrive like these doctors, join the movement at entremd.com forward slash thrive. Now let's dive in. Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Profitable Private Practice Podcast. And today with me I have Dr. Megan Tierney. Hi, Dr. Megan. Hi, nice to be here. Thanks for inviting me. I'm so glad you're able to be here. This is gonna be a fun episode. So just so we can get started, could you please give us a 60-second introduction of yourself just so people can get to know you a little bit?

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Yeah. Uh I am Dr. Megan Tierney. I am the founder and CEO of Soral Health and Wellness here in Seattle, Washington, um, where I help women in midlife navigate uh menopause, perimenopause, and metabolic health challenges um with a very uh weight neutral um self-compassion approach.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

All right, that's amazing. And I do just want to throw this question out there a little bit. It's been something that I've been interested about while kind of going through your social media page. So if there is one um myth, you know, like in the medical part that you could debunk, what would it be? Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Um, I mean, I think it would just be that um that there's a right way and a wrong way to be healthy, um, in the sense that I really think that health is about what you value and what your goals are. And while one person they may value um having six-pack abs and being able to run an ultramarathon, another person may value um, you know, being able to go on a hike with their family and um, you know, maybe eat a chocolate chip cookie every once in a while. And so I feel like it's really important to me that people feel like health is not this impossible thing to achieve and that it's really based on, you know, what you care about. What you care about.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

All righty. Yeah. So let's go ahead and, you know, dive right in. One of the questions that I like to ask is um, where did your you like what was your first, you know, thought of becoming an entrepreneur? And as I was going over, you know, some of the questions that you filled out, one of the wins that you mentioned was that um you went from being laid off to opening a practice within four months, which is absolutely amazing. That is, I I saw that and I was like, whoa, like wow. So could you just walk us through, you know, that whole process? Like, how did you feel in the beginning with getting laid off? What um what made you, you know, keep going and start a practice rather than you, you know, completely giving up on medicine and you know, healthy living?

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Yeah, you know, um, I uh sometimes when I think back on that, I am also surprised. Um, I uh was really shocked. Um, I had been with a company I was with for um actually through residency and all of my attendant career, so um about a decade, and um I was given less than 30 days notice um from when I was told I was being laid off to my last day. Um, and in those 30 days, um was also my birthday. Um, and I had already planned this trip to sort of go away and um, you know, sort of like reconnect with myself. And uh during that time, I was just like, well, what am I gonna do? Like, what's gonna happen? And um, I had already sort of like been playing with this idea of starting my own practice, but um, that felt like years down the road, like I didn't feel quite ready. Um, and then I just was like, I think it's now or never. And um and it, I I really honestly I think about being laid off as being a blessing because it's a it was a pretty cush job in the sense that I was being paid and I didn't have to think about all the things that go into being paid. Um, and I think it would be very easy to feel never ready to start my own practice because I think you are never quite ready to take the leap. And so I feel very blessed that I sort of got pushed out um and sort of made me make this big leap. And um yeah, I just realized like here's my opportunity to practice medicine the way I want to, and realize like how unhappy I actually was in this very cush job. Um and uh yeah, and then I just made it happen. I just made the, I made the steps. I made like a checklist of like, of like, what are all the things I need to do to be able to like see my first patient? Because I think sometimes when we think about like how do we do this, we start going from like, oh, I'm just gonna see a patient to like all of the complex systems that you feel like a practice needs to have. And in reality, you just really need as much as you need to see your first patient. And it turns out that's actually not that complex. And so when I made it more simple and made that checklist for myself, it felt doable. Um, and then magic, I don't know, following following my checklist, I made it in four months. And so um, yeah, it's pretty I surprised myself um in doing that.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

That is amazing. So essentially you were given the push to kind of live your dream business and your dream life. Yeah. Wow. Okay. And so in between that time of you know, you getting laid off and where you had started your practice, um, what were some of the key turning points um that led you to, you know, starting your practice, some mindset shifts that you know you had to make?

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Yeah, I think I, for me, I am truly an introvert, like not just shy, but also um, you know, while I love people, I kind of need to have a little break and I feel nervous around uh showing like being in in front of people. Um, and I think it's also sort of this idea that I want, I what if it were a magical world and I could have it the way that I wanted, I would make whatever I wanted to make over here and then I would show it to the world perfect. And I really had to get over the idea that there was perfect and that I could make something perfect. Um, and that I had to sort of iterate in the public, you know, make mistakes publicly, um, make mys, you know, uh make a decision and see what happens, and then change my mind and do something else or or learn from something that I um chose to do, but do it in a way that everybody could see what I was doing. Um and I really kind of had to get over myself, um, sort of get out of my own way, um, and realize like it actually wasn't that serious. Like people make choices and decisions and and make mistakes and move on all the time, every day, every second. And my mistakes aren't that important. Um, even in the I mean, in the moment, they feel very serious. Yeah. Um, but um in the grand scheme of the universe, um uh I can make a mistake and just keep going. Um, and that has been really helpful in this these beginning um months because it's a lot of learning and a lot of doing things a little wonky and weird and learning, oh, there's a better way to do this, um, and feeling okay with that.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Wow. Okay. And then so in getting, you know, to where you are, you know, you're in the early months, could you talk about some of the challenges that you've had to face and overcome?

SPEAKER_01 7:36

Yeah, I think my biggest, my first big challenge was actually pricing myself. Um, I think there's a lot of mindset that goes into that. It's um very weird um to put a price on your time and your skill level, even though um, you know, through the years someone has been paying me for my time and money uh in time and skill. Um, but for me to choose like what that was, that would be yeah, and then be confident about it and be able to sell myself um is just like a whole other level. Um, and so I really struggled with that in the beginning. And then I think really finding like what my voice was in this space and what my like who was I serving and how was I going to speak to them, especially because I am talking about topics especially around weight management, where I don't like to use the words that a lot of other people use. Like I try not, I try not to use the word obesity, I try not to talk about weight loss, um, I try to have a very weight neutral approach to weight management, which sounds crazy. Um, but um it makes it very hard to communicate uh my way of practice. And so really challenged in in how do I use the English language to um to really portray the way that I care for patients. And that has really been um evolving as I talk with patients and as I make marketing material and and all that stuff. Um, and then finally, it's just the it is really um, it's really hard when you grow slowly. Um, in the beginning, you have to, it's a lot of like hard work and trusting the process. And so in the beginning, you tend to not see as much movement necessarily. Like, um, I think there are lots of people who like right out of the block, they are like, it's on fire. Um, but I would say the majority of people, it's a really it's like a slow process, and you have to sort of do all the work and um and do it even though you're not seeing the return immediately, because work I did just a couple months ago, I'm now seeing the effects of. Um, and so uh that trust the process part is really hard. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

You know, and something I hear um Dr. Una say a lot, especially in like um AES classes, is that like the work is working. Yes, you don't see it now, but you know, it's definitely working. You'll see it in the future. You may not see it now, but which is why you don't want to give up on it now because you will see it, you know, soon enough.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

So yeah, that faith is really hard. That faith in that, like, because it's really it's like faith in yourself and faith in your in what you're doing. Um yeah, yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

So then um with the entrepreneurship that you know you've recently stepped into, what has been a surprising opportunity per se that entrepreneurship has opened up for you?

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Yeah, I never thought I would be into speaking. Um, so I I have a theater background, which you would think like I would immediately think speaking would be uh something that would be a part of my uh work, but I did not anticipate that. Um uh and it turns out that one, I'm pretty good at it. Uh two, um, people seem to like when I talk to them. Um, and uh it turns out they'll pay me for it. Um and so I think um that was really surprising to me. And that um, yeah, I just I I didn't I think it's very hard to have the confidence that you are an expert sometimes. Um when you have, especially when you've been in a big um practice where you're sort of like a cog in the machine, you don't realize like you have something special to bring and that someone will want to listen to you um talk about something you're passionate about, but it turns out that's that's definitely not the case.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Wow. And so could you um one of your wins was that you you know you secured um paid speaking engagements within 10 months of opening. And so obviously there's a portion of visibility that comes within that. So could you talk a little bit about how you made yourself visible to the point where you know you're getting paid speaking engagements and you're getting clientele for your practice?

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Yeah, so it sort of um it sort of went two ways. So one was I, you know, I maintain an Instagram account and I did start a YouTube channel, although I have not been very good about it recently. Um that's why I'm on my first hire. I'm I'm hiring a team here. Um so uh it's you know, there's a lot of work to be done. But uh so I had started this YouTube channel, and um my uh my husband actually works for this really large company and he was just talking about like what I do. And one of the people who heard about me looked up my YouTube channel and just really liked the way that I was explaining things. And she happened to be the person who worked with one of the ERG groups. Um, and she was like, I would love for you to come and talk to women about um perimenopause and menopause. And she just like really loved the way that you talked about this. And there's no, you know, if I didn't have that out there for someone to watch me talk and watch me explain things in a way that felt good and comfortable to them, I don't think that that would have happened. Um yeah, and then the other one was I literally posted about this walk I do on the weekends. Um, to I walk around a park near me. Um, and women are it's free to come and just like walk with me and ask questions. And someone saw that and was um on a Facebook group and reached out to me. Um, and she was doing this, she wanted to do this event that included someone who had a women's health background. And so then this has created not only was it a speaking engagement, but is now maybe creating like a second business um with these two other coaches. Um, and so that's an unbelievable opportunity that just came from me putting my name out there and my way of being. Um, she was just like, oh, this is a cool thing this this woman is doing. I want to get to know her better. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

So now if you could tell someone about, you know, the importance of being visible, you know, seeing from you know how it's benefited you, what would you tell that person?

SPEAKER_01 13:43

I mean, I would say that one, it feels terrible to start. Um, there's like no way to feel again, no way to be ready. Um, you're probably gonna suck and you you're gonna suck until you keep doing it. Um, and uh and uh that it is again one of those things where I didn't see, I mean, I started that Instagram account last summer. Um, I and that YouTube channel was like December or October maybe. And um, and then I was just, you know, just in the last couple months has this started happening. So this is one of those things where you may not see initially, you feel like you're posting these reels or these YouTube videos and nobody's commenting, nobody's saying anything, you're not getting more followers or likes. Um, but that doesn't mean that people aren't seeing you and making a decision that you're someone that they want to know more about or potentially work with in the future. So again, it's one of those like it's gonna feel really uncomfortable. You still should do it because it's gonna pay off.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Because it won't pay off in the future. Yeah, right. So let's talk a little bit about um the business school. You can kind of start from the beginning. So, how you found out about the business school, what pushed you to join? Let's do all of the details. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

So I um I had actually been following Dr. Uruna's podcast for a while, like probably about two years. Um, and a friend of mine was already in the business school, Dr. Megan Mello. And um, and I was when when I got laid off, I was like, I gotta figure out how I'm doing this. Um and at the time, what I, you know, there's sort of different ways of going about making this happen. You can do it on your own. You can find someone that's gonna tell you all of the like, you know, the nuts and bolts of starting a business, like how do you make an LLC and how do you do this and that, the the very um cookie cutter um checklist sort of thing, um, which is helpful. But what I found what I really needed because I was making this jump from um, you know, a cap a capitated employed system to starting my own practice was I really needed a lot of mindset work. I needed someone to help me believe in myself and help me see how I could take my idea and not just make it exist, but make it thrive and make it something that I love, which is I think is a very different way of looking at starting a business, at looking at entrepreneurship. It's not just about um making a business, um, but it's also about what it's like to be in that business, um, what it's like to create a team or create an environment in which you want to practice medicine, which is I think um has been so much more valuable to me as I've struggled through the beginning and felt frustration and sadness and uh confusion and um and just uh enjoy. Um, but having a group of people um and um Dr. Una sort of guide that has been invaluable, really.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

So then with the opening of your practice. So did you join um EBS before you started your practice? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Um so I uh I I think I was laid off on March 4th, and then uh my last day was April 2nd, and I think I started April 14th, maybe 15th, somewhere around there. I was like, let's let's make it happen.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Okay, so you were quick with it. Okay, so with the opening of your practice, could you talk about um in what ways did the entree and deep business school, whether it be something Dr. Una said or the community, how are they able to help you in, you know, opening your practice and start achieving things like that?

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah, I think what has there are sort of two things. One, it's sort of the the showing me what it's like in the beginning. So I have found it incredibly helpful to see some of these amazing doctors who are doing like incredible things, really vision, like really out there, really, you know, making money, being very successful, doing lots of just really amazing things, but hearing their humble beginnings, their their um small beginnings is really helpful when you're feeling like, oh my God, this is never gonna work. It's so helpful to see that process. And then two, it's it's having people who have had that experience tell you it's going to be okay. I think it's it's it's really sometimes it's hard to hear that from someone who just seems like incredibly successful and has never had to struggle a day in their life. Um, you just don't believe it. It's hard to believe. Um, and so uh that has just been incredibly helpful. At the um the business makeover mastermind a couple of weeks ago, I got a lot of that. A lot I tracked people down and was like, tell me about the beginnings. And I heard, I heard about like one room offices and like upstairs and an old house clinics, and it really sort of like it was like, okay, I'm on the right path, I'm doing the right thing, um, I'm in the right place. Um, and then also people lift you up, right? So um people in the group have um recommended me to people, have um had me on their podcast, um, have just really, you know, uh, it feels like it's not just, I think this is a hard thing to find in on one, in groups with entrepreneurs and two in groups of doctors, which is everybody can be ambitious, everybody can be um competitive even, but not competitive with each other. Like I feel like it's it's a group where everybody wants everybody to succeed in any way they can. And the amount of help and um time that people have given me has been incredible.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Incredible, yes. And so you mentioned um the business makeover mastermind, and you know, it was great seeing you there. I was like, um, I've seen Dr. Megan Tierney, but I've never seen her in person. So that was my first time seeing you in person. So that was awesome. So could you talk a little bit about your experience at the Business Makeover Mastermind? You know, if you want to share some wins that you got from there, you can do that as well.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Yeah, I um it was really great timing because I was just starting the process of um looking for a virtual assistant. Um, like I said, I've sort of uh I've run out of hours in the day. Um, and so I really need some help. Um, and I was feeling really nervous about what that looks like to bring someone on, especially when I was feeling like I sort of need some need someone to figure out what their job is with me. I mean, I have an idea, but also I need someone who's going to be iterative in their job. And it was so helpful to have like really hands-on conversations about what it looks like to manage team, like how to, you know, talk about KRAs and KPIs, which is first of all, those are acronyms I never heard of prior to last year. So um I may sound smart, but I literally just learned these things um in the last few months. Um, but really, like, you know, breaking it down to here's my like uh spreadsheet that I use to um talk to my team. Um here is I was talking to um one of the other physicians about how um they had been looking for someone similar to do the kind of kind of similar work that I was looking for, and they were telling me some red flags that they had or some problems that they had getting someone to do those particular um jobs and what to ask for and what to try, um, essentially giving them sort of like a little test job to see if they can do the job. And I was like, Oh, I didn't even think of that. Um, and so yeah, it was really it was not only the hands-on stuff, which was all great and really actionable stuff I could do, but I left feeling, I don't know, invigorated, um, really ready to go. Like I was making plans on the airplane. Um, and so it just felt like I was like, I am going to hit the ground running as soon as I get home. And I did. Um, and I I I find I found those times when we get together um to be, yeah, like So energizing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

That's amazing. Now, since you've started your practice and you know, also with as long with the um the speaking jobs that you've gotten, can we talk about, you know, your top three, let's say your top three tangible and intangible wins that you've experienced? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

So um I uh I mean, yes, the starting my business um is definitely a big win. Um and not feeling so, not getting beaten down by the experience of being laid off. Um I uh I also um from this is a new win, which I, you know, we've been working on newsletters uh this month uh in the business school. And I actually grew my newsletter by almost 20% from one talk. Um and so uh I feel like uh that feels pretty successful. That's a big win. Yeah, that's a big win. Um and uh I I have let's see, I think I have increased my like patient numbers um from Q essentially from um Q three four of last year, if you combine that to just Q1 of this year was like a hundred and twenty five percent increase.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Um, so uh while it felt really slow um last year, it's really been picking up.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

It's been picking up, wow.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

It's been picking up, yeah. Um yeah, the I mean the intangible wins are that one that I feel comfortable uh jumping on this podcast with you. It feels like, you know, like I don't think this is if you were to ask me this time last year if I was going to be doing something like this, I I would have unequivocally said you are crazy. Um there is absolutely no way, absolutely no way. Um and I think actually the joy I have in talking about these things um and putting myself out there um and seeing that um, you know, it's fun to talk to people, it's fun to talk about these things. Um and I didn't realize how much I enjoyed it um until I actually let myself come out of my shell. Uh yeah. Um and then I think it's really I feel so empowered to make the life I want to live. Um and feeling not like the victim of other people's decisions. Like I may be the victim of my own decisions, but that feels that feels so much more um okay with me. Um and uh and I feel it gives me sort of hope for uh for my life because I feel like I have I'm like the architect of my own life in a way I wasn't before. Um, and so that's been pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Wow, that is awesome. I love that. Um, and then so if you could say something um about the Andre MD business school, about the community itself, that you know you would want someone who is a little bit on the fence, you know, about joining the business school. So it is like one thing that you would say kind of to, you know, convince them or to push them back to the other side of the fence.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yeah. Um you know, I I think I just I honestly go back to this idea that this group of people, this kind of caliber of person, this physician that's ambitious um and competitive and smart, but kind and supportive um and collaborative, that is an incredibly rare environment. Um, I keep trying to find something in person where, you know, like some, you know, other groups that are like that, and it just like doesn't really exist. It's just very hard hard to find that combination. And when you do find that combination, it just forces you to be better, right? Like both in um in being ambitious to think bigger than you ever thought possible. Um, but also um it also shows you how great it is to um help other people and support other people and um how much that really fills your cup too. Um and so yeah, I I think it's just it's such a rare environment. Um, and I absolutely would not be where I am right now if I didn't have these group of amazing people who I can text and and ask really potentially dumb questions to. Um and who can tell me that I should um do this or that or um give me advice about decisions that I'm trying to make that I've never tried to make before. Um and so that just feels um incredible.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Yeah, that's good. And then, you know, one thing that I've heard a lot um with in the business school, and you know, Dr. Una says it a lot is that she wants, you know, all of the doctors um to not only have their dream business, but to also have their dream life. And so, like we know like you're in the you know starting stages of your practice, but in what ways have you been able to experience that?

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Yeah, I mean, I get to be in charge of my schedule. Um, I get to say when I'm no longer answering questions uh, you know, from patients uh during the day, and that's just part of my practice. Um, I uh that is absolutely not something that I felt um in my previous job. I felt overwhelmed um with patient communication, to be honest. But now I have so much ownership over that. Um, and it feels more enjoyable to see patients because I get to say that I have hour-long appointments and not feel rushed. And I get to have a relationship with patients, which is why I went into family medicine in the first place was to like know people's stories, but it's hard to know a person's story in 15 minutes. Um, yeah, and so uh it's really brought back sort of the joy in medicine for me. Um besides that, I'm still going on spring break with my kids, right? Like I, I, you know, it's not like I'm not doing that. I'm I'm still keeping the space for for going, taking my daughter to her doctor's appointment and um going to uh a dance class and and um making space for that because again, I'm in charge of my um my schedule and I get to choose. Um and yeah, exactly. Exactly. I don't want to build, I think Dr. Una talks about this a lot, like don't build a business you hate, right? So I'm not gonna start out from a place of stretching myself to the point that I don't like the business I'm creating.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

So I have never heard that phrase before, and I love that phrase to not build a business um that you hate. That is that is a very powerful statement right there. And then now, if you could say something to a private practice owner who is, you know, they're feeling challenged, or maybe they're in the starting phases, so they don't know about this, you know, don't build a business that you hate. And so they're kind of in that space where, you know, they don't technically understand what it is that they're doing. Um, and so you know they're feeling challenged, they're feeling okay, well, maybe I don't want to do this anymore. So if you could say something to that person, what would you tell them?

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah, I think I would say two things. One is that I again I think Dr. Una says this too, which is like there will be valleys and there will be mountains, right? And you can't have a valley with or you can't have a mountain without a valley. Yeah. Um, and uh I uh when you're in the valley, it's hard to remember that there's going to be a mountain. Um and that's where that sort of faith comes in. But also what's so cool about entrepreneurship um is that you get to make decisions that change the trajectory, right? Like if something isn't working, if something is not the way you want it to be, you get to be the boss. You get to say, like, actually, that does not work for me. I'm going to change it. Um, you are not stuck with anything. You can make choice different choices. It may feel scary. I think like I've made some adjustments, like I've changed the way my like my pricing structure and my practice structure in just the short time I've been open, trying to find what works for me. And I think like that can be scary because you're making those changes, those decisions, and they're very out there. And it feels like people are going to look at it and be like, what are you doing? Or did you make a mistake or whatever? But nobody cares. Nobody's looking, and everybody wants you to succeed, right? And so just make those changes so you're happy and you don't feel like you're suffering. Um, and uh yeah, and also ask for help. I think uh sometimes we get into this place where we think people don't want to hear from us um that we're struggling. And I think that's like far from the truth.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Wow. Yeah, I love especially the ask for help one. I know. Um, something Dr. Una had uh the people in the ABS business school doing was that she would do, okay, so you have to do a big ask like for this week. What is your big ask? What is the thing that she'll be asking somebody? So in this case, I'm gonna be asking you a question where can people find you? So they want to get to know more about you, or they want to get to know more about what you do, or maybe they want to get in contact, you know, with you for the speaking things. Where can they find you?

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah, so um uh my home base is Instagram um at MeganTierney MD. Um, and then uh, you know, my website, sorrelhealth and wellness.com. Um, and you can always email me at hello at sorrelwellness um.com, especially about speaking engagements. Um, and uh yeah, I would love I love to hear from everybody. I love to answer questions too from uh business owners, um, people starting out, people are scared because I think like I was definitely scared and I'm definitely happy that I made this choice.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

That's amazing. And I'll make sure that all of her information is in the description. And so now for our final question, um, if there's anything that you want someone who listened to this episode, if there's anything that you want them to take home from it, what would it be? Give us a quotable quote.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

A quotable quote.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Wow, pressure.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Um, I mean, I would say that the most important part of becoming an entrepreneur, the foundation of entrepreneurship is actually building community. Um, and whether that's community where your business is or the community of entrepreneurs and other um people that you surround yourself, um, I think that that is absolutely the foundation for success.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

And speaking about community, if you are interested in joining the business school or if you're on the fence about it and you have questions about it, I want to invite you today to book a call. So you can go to ongd.com forward slash success. Something that Dr. Una says often is that EBS is here to serve you. So you have any questions, you know, you don't know whether or not the business school is the next best step, or whether it might be PPPM, you can book a call, and what will happen is that you'll have the opportunity to speak with someone on the team. And so they'll just walk you through what your next step will end up being. Just so you know, you taught you hear a lot about this community today and you want to get to know more about it. Then I want to invite you to book a call. So ongmd.com forward slash success to book your call today. And to Dr. Megan, I just want to say a very big thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. This has been a very amazing episode, and I've loved hearing your story and everything.

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Well, thank you for having me. It was uh awesome to talk with you today. Thank you.

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Okay, and then to everyone who is listening, remember that we don't want you to keep this podcast as your best kept secret. So if there's something that you learned here today, whether it be from um how Dr. Megan, you know, got laid off, and then within that, she started her own practice, and that's something that spoke to you, and you believe that it was something that can speak to another person. I want to invite you to share this podcast episode with someone else. Do not allow this podcast to be your best kept secret. And we will see you next time. Bye, everybody. Thank you for listening to the Profitable Private Practice Podcast. If this episode inspired you, share it with the private practice doc in your life and subscribe so that you never miss an episode. Don't let this podcast be the best kept secret. I'm Shafta Nachigo, and I'll see you next week.