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Do you remember your first job? 

Take a walk down memory lane as Sarah and Marie discuss their first jobs, their life work history, and gain some insights into how they both ended up as entrepreneurs. 

Learn more about Sarah here: www.knotanotherhat.com

Learn more about Marie here: www.oliveknits.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Welcome to We Tried to Tell You, a podcast full of unsolicited opinions about life, fiber, everything in between. I am Marie Green and I am Sarah Keller. And as promised, today we're gonna talk about our first jobs slash work history. And I know this may not seem like a super exciting topic, but here in my house, it's been top of mind because I've got a young adult entering the workforce after college, and I've got a um college freshman returning home for the summer, both looking for jobs or some sort of work, some sort of way to make money. Like Campbell's looking for a job job, like a real, really, trulyo grown-up job. Um, Mal's looking more for a summer gig, but it's hard out there. And it's given me a lot of time to think back about my own experiences as a young adult, or even before I became an adult in the workforce. So I thought, why not? Why not take a little walk down memory lane? We can talk about first jobs that we had or early jobs and maybe what we learned or what we learned we didn't want out of our working lives. So um I'll just jump in and say one of the very first jobs I can remember, a lot of my jobs revolved around growing up on a cherry orchard farming. Um, but one of my first jobs I can remember is probably somewhere in middle school-ish. My dad hired me to clean the bathrooms in the labor camps when uh during cherry season. So during the day when everyone would be out and picking in the orchards, it was my job to hit the camps, clean all the bathrooms. Um best job ever. Uh yeah, right. I mean, it is not a sexy job, but it was really nice making some money. I gotta say. I I I don't really have any negative memories. I mean, it was it was not awesome, but I mean, you can imagine, but I made that some money and I was like 13 or 12, and so that was that was great. But how about you?

SPEAKER_00 2:23

What are some of your earliest jobs? I know babysitting. I did a lot of babysitting, but you know, I was entrepreneurial from the time I was very small. My friend Susie Reif and I, when we were about 11, talked all of the parents in the neighborhood that had small kids. And we in the summer, we said for we made little signs and we took them around and they said, for one dollar, we will watch your kids for one hour. I don't think it mattered how many kids there were. I think it was just like one dollar per hour per family. And then we we got everybody to sign up for this. Susie and I went and took our dollars to the 7 Eleven because we could walk there, spent the entire amount on treats for the kids. Obviously, not the best price either. Was this just one given day on the calendar that you were like, this is the day? We did it a few times. Okay. I don't remember, but it was just like a summer gig. We bought a bunch of candy, great. Uh took it back to Susie's mom's house. My mom would have never ever stood for this. She was like a children and should not be seen or heard kind of parent. So we spent a lot of time at the neighbors. And Susie's mom, bless her heart, would just let us bring in all these little neighborhood kids and sit them in the living room. And for one hour, we would entertain them and give them a bunch of candy and eat them home. Wait, how old did you were you? Did you already see that? I was 11. 11. But I was also babysitting at 11. Yeah. Yeah. And I babysat a lot until I was about 14. And then I started working at our local pharmacy.

unknown 4:07

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

And I worked there through the end of high school. I did still do some babysitting on the side, a little bit of waitressing on the side, but the pharmacy was my main job and it was pretty cushion. And it was the best paying job at the time. Like I think I got $5.25 an hour, $5.50 an hour. And that was like big money. Oh God, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Oh God, yeah. I can remember one of my first jobs for my parents, the the minimum wage was like four something. And then I was like, four dollars.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Um exactly. That does sound like a pretty cushion job.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

It was great. The thing, so as an introvert, um, the thing I did not like about my job was I would have to hustle directly after school and get to work as fast as possible because I think like all of my school curricula extracurricular things were usually in the mornings, but on days I had to work, I would just have to hustle right over there directly to the pharmacy. And I would one of the things I would have to do is change the marquee that was like the letters on the marquee that was out by the main road. So everybody else driving back from school would see me out there moving the letters around on this giant marquee, and I hated it. Now I look back and think they probably were envious and thought, what a fun job. But I was mortified. I was like, this is so embarrassing that people from school see me moving the letters around on the marquee. That is so funny. The things that we fixate on, right? Oh, it was just agony. I just hated doing the marquee. I felt safe and happy inside the pharmacy, ringing up customers, stocking shelves, rotating stock. I loved that part, but I did not did not like the marquee.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Changing marquee out in front of everybody.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Out in front of everybody.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

I also did a lot of babysitting in my um, I would say young teens. I hated it. I loathed babysitting, and I didn't I didn't understand or couldn't, you know, understand it this at that time that I'm just not really a kids person. And um I mean to this day, I would just about do anything except watch someone else's kids. Right. And that is nothing against anybody's kids. I just not for me. Um, but yeah, then I just was in the orchard a lot, like for that same time period, like high school jobs. Um, I loved it. I loved being in the orchard. I the misogyny was so embedded. Uh like I wasn't even fully aware, except that I would get pissed a lot, you know. Like um, I was supposed to have some some amount of authority because what part of what I did was a bit of quality control. So if we encountered a problem when we were collecting cherries, I'd have to address that with the person who picked them, you know, and no one would take me seriously. And then I'd get really frustrated because sometimes my dad would have to get called in to the discussion. And he would kind of hem and ha and you know, look at the other people and be like, Well, you know, she's blah, blah, blah. And I would uh it would just want to like, I would just want to light on fire in um in rage. And I was like, you know, you're so you want me to to enforce these rules, but then you've got to back me up. So it's funny in hindsight, I can see a lot of that. And then I all I worked with all guys, like either high school boys or men. There was a lot of like hand on the knee, you know, just like talking about your looks, talking about whatever that oh my god, it just A, it wouldn't fly today, and then B, it wasn't awesome, you know. No. Um, but I did still love working in the orchard. Um, how about after high school? What kind of stuff did you kind of transition into?

SPEAKER_00 8:05

I first before I talk about that, I just want to sort of acknowledge what you said about not being a children person. I think I'm the same way. Oh, yeah. I I did babysit because it was sort of a natural thing and that's all you could do to make money at that time. And I'm an oldest child, so I watched my younger siblings all the time. But when my kids got older, it was just I hated when other families would be like, Can I drop my kids off at your house for nine hours today? I just did not like it at all. It and also I think I'm kind of sound sensitive. So if it's super noisy and rowdy in my house, what? The same. Same. Really? Yes. So I just wanted to like let you know I see you. And that's not as weird as you might think. I mean, our listeners are probably like, what is wrong with these two movies and later?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Two horrendous women.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

They're the worst.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

We're kids. We love our kids. I love my own kids. Um, the sound thing for sure, like when there was certain friends that would be over that just their households were loud, screamy households, I would just about lose it. But when I was a young mom in the Tri-Cities, I didn't have um, I was off after I had Campbell. And so I joined this mom's club. And then there was this like babysitting co-op. So it's like you could get babysitting, but you also had to give babysitting. And I was like, okay, well, great. This is the easy way to find babysitters in a place that I, you know, didn't know super well. And then I was like, nope, uh-uh.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

I I do not like watching anybody else's kids. No, exactly. I know. I did some of those same co-ops and I learned so quickly that this is not for me.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

It's just I thank you for thank you for sharing that you also felt that way because I do sometimes feel like I'm a bit of a monster that I should love being around kids.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

I know. I've always sort of felt bad about that. So I appreciate you saying it. And I just wanted to like be in your corner there. So for other jobs, I I I got married pretty young. Um, I got married after my first semester of college, and so I went right into being married, being a young mom. And so I, but I always wanted and felt like I needed to make money too. So I'd do all these random things on the side. And unfortunately, I would say none of them were very successful for a long time. I tried, you know, Tupperware and Mary Kay and Tampered Chef and Longa Burger baskets. I mean, I was such a super burger mouse. Oh my God, you just brought up a whole memory of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Let's hear it. Let's hear it. No, it's just I think my mom must have gone to some parties and like there's just baskets everywhere. I'm just remembering all of that era.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

It's funny again, looking back, thinking, I didn't know I was an introvert. So I don't know if it occurred to me why I did not love hosting these parties with a bunch of strangers. Also, I don't like hawking crap. Like not that it was crappy stuff. I mean, it was all high quality oh, but you gotta be a salesperson. But you gotta be a little shmarmy, I think. To I don't know, maybe that was ridiculous. Yeah, you gotta have a little bit of that. And I just didn't have that in me. So I never really sold anything ever. But I bought all the kids. So technically, my idea of getting a job was to spend money on things that did not go anywhere. But I did when my youngest was he's about 18 months old. I started a soap making business, all kinds of soaps and bath things. And I did that for a few years, and that actually was profitable. And it was something I could do while I was home with my kids. And then yeah, I mean, of course, things evolved as my kids got older. But did you what did you do job-wise uh or did you have other like paying gigs when your kids were small?

SPEAKER_01 11:55

Not till the shop. So before I had kids, like in between college and grad school, and then after grad school, I worked in um first I worked in a defense office um for a criminal defense firm, and then I worked in a prosecutor's office. And um, both times as kind of like a trial assistant, they called them, or I wasn't like a legal uh secretary because I didn't, you know, write briefs and things like that. But right basically we, you know, we would have an attorney that we would be assigned to or two attorneys, and then we were like the person who took all the phone calls and did all of the administrative stuff, maintained the files. And the first job I had was specifically I was hired because they needed Spanish speaking trial assistance. All of the case the clients were Spanish speakers. Um, they had a contract with the state for all of the indigent cases where there was a Spanish speaker, so um it was translating essentially, it was like a glorified translator. So that I loved that job for a lot of reasons. Um, it felt like important work. It was also really heavy because we were a defense firm. We were dealing with a lot of undocumented people, and a lot of them ended up just getting deported at the end of their whatever proceedings they were involved in. And so um I also worked for some really screwed-up people, um, like a couple of men that were um they left a really lasting impact negatively on me that I it took a long time to unpack because I was in my early 20s, and they were um one of them was flat out mentally abusive, and he was like a Jekyll and Hyde kind of character. And it turned out I found out a few years after I left, um, he had a pretty serious coke problem. So a lot of times he would just like when he was horrible, he'd be coked up. And I never never knew that. In hindsight, it made so much sense. So those were the kind of things that I um did, you know, before I had kids. Um and I think those are the reasons that when I had the had Campbell, and then I was kind of envisioning how how my re-entry into the workforce, I knew I did not want to work for someone else, and I especially did not want to work for some middle-aged white guy.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

No kidding, right? I as my kids got a little bit older and I had a little more flexibility, I started writing and you know, I started to have things that felt more like an official job. But when they were in high school, I I had gone back to school and then I got a job at our local hospital as a project manager. I really enjoyed the work. I had my own office and I enjoyed it, it was a lot of spreadsheets and you know, I loved that. And I did that for a couple of years, and that's the job I brought with me when I moved to Oregon. I mean, there were lots of things in between. Like there was a period where I worked at a fabric store, quilt store, and I got paid in yards of fabric.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

I did not know this.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Oh my gosh. I didn't do it for super long. That was uh, I think my kids were still, you know, elementary age. And I just did it on Saturdays, and I think it was like under the table, honestly, because I don't even think I had to like file anything. We just would go in and we would write down our hours, and then we would get one yard of fabric for every one hour that we worked. I think it was one yard or something like that. And so I just at the end of the day, I would just go through, pick the fabric I wanted, cut my yards, and go home. And I just it was great at the time. I did a lot more sewing back then. But you know, so I had like lots of kind of random things, but the the project management job was the one I really kind of threw myself into and I did that for quite a while. And I did that up until I became a network designer and then eventually could leave that. But that job is the one that made me realize I don't want to really be in the corporate structure. And even though hospitals you don't think of them that way, they really it's really still kind of the same thing. And it was so frustrating to see the back end and to see the way insurance works and the way you know people don't get procedures they need because of the way our healthcare system is structured. And so I left that thinking similar to you. I don't want to ever be in this kind of career field again. It was it was a good lesson.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Right. Well, I mean, that is part of figuring this kind of stuff out, right? Real quick, I want to pop back because it just I just remembered that that uh criminal defense firm I worked for. That was my first like big girl job out after college. Nothing to do with my degree because, of course, like any smart young thing, I majored in theater arts. So um, but I was so stoked because I was getting $500 every two weeks. Woo! $1,000 a month. I was living large.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

I bet that's did that cover the therapy you needed to deal with the trauma of that trauma.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Yeah. Um what did you say about oh speaking on your um you learned that that is not what you wanted to do, the corporate thing. There was a day that I was driving kind of, so in Hood River, we've got the heights, and uh that's where I live, and then you kind of drive down the hill to the downtown area where my shop is, and I was driving in early to work. Um, it was like 7:50. And I was as I was going down the hill, the overhead lights all popped on in some medical office that I was passing. Um, and you know, it's just like those banks of kind of fluorescent tea, whatever. And just seeing the lights come on just gave me basically like a mini panic attack. Like I got tight in my chest, I got all anxious about feeling thinking through the life of somebody who just got to the work office, is turning on the lights, and they're gonna fire up their computer, and just remembering being in kind of the office scenario. And I was like, oh my god, okay, okay, you don't do this anymore, you don't have to do this again. So it definitely, definitely left an impact.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Yeah, it really does. It sticks with you. And I think for some people though, I mean, I just want to acknowledge a lot of people that is their job, that's what they do for until they retire. And I'm so grateful because somebody needs to do those jobs. And it's so interesting to what a privileged place to be where we use. You know what? I don't want to do that, I want to do something else. And I mean, it could have gone so far the other way for me. I didn't know that starting a network design business and would lead to writing books and starting a community and all the things that have been made possible for me through that. Had no idea that was gonna happen. So, but I do see from my very, very earliest days that I always had this entrepreneurial vibe. And like I was always drawn to it. I was always starting little businesses, always doing my own little things. And I think some of that I might have gotten from my mom because I think she often had like little business things that she was doing. And so I'm sure that inspired me. But I think I was just cut from that cloth from the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah, I do think a little bit the same. Um, just we talked about that in our one of our episodes, like growing up around a lot of people who didn't have normal like eight to five jobs, farmers, you know, grandparents that were farmers, things like that. So um I maybe that's what helped uh get me to think about being something besides just um, you know, an eight to five job person. So yeah, so pretty much it was from um there to trying to figure out how to have a business that I could do while I'm raising small kids, and that's the story of how the store came to be. So um we've talked before about what you wish you could do. Do you see? I'm like, you're in the transition, so you kind of have this. You're you've got your writing transition happening right now. I was about to ask you if you see yourself transitioning. Um, obviously you do, but I don't know that I do.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

I I will say that my thoughts about that have changed a little bit. I think because, well, we talked last week about burnout, right? And was it last week? I don't know. At some point we talked about burnout. Recently, yeah, in a in a recent episode, and I think when you reach a certain point in burnout, it's really easy to want to burn everything down because it just feels like I can't take any of this anymore. And I had gotten myself to that point where I was like, I don't want to do this at all. And slowly, as I have started to I think allow myself a little bit more room to just be a human being and not work every second of my waking hours, spend a little time in my garden, uh, spend more time writing, spend more time with the people in my writing community, um, fellow book coaches, other authors. That has really filled my cup a lot and it's made it so that I now am remembering the love I have for the work I already do. And it's really helped me.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Yeah, it's really helped. It's kind of revived my inspiration. It's helped me find the balance I needed, I think. So if you had asked me a year ago, I would have been like, this is my final run, like I'm out of here. But I would say now I just I see the future for me being one with a little more balance where I can do both. I can have the knitting side of things where I'm designing and I'm taking knitters on trips to Europe. And then Can also have the writing side where I'm working with authors and I'm writing my own things and it feels really satisfying to have both. So I don't think I'm gonna ever not be doing one or the other, but I love having that space for more for other things too. So it's not just exclusively one thing. I think that's always been what's hard for me because I felt like I'd pigeonholed myself and then I'm not allowed to do anything else. That's what it's felt like. Right, right. I it's my life. I can do whatever I want, right? What about you? Do you you said you don't feel like you would transition, but is there ever part of you that wants to add to it? You know, maybe add a little something or change it in some way, maybe not, you know, leave the format that you've created, but do you ever want to edit?

SPEAKER_01 22:53

I don't, I I have thought about this at various times in the last 21 years. And every time I question myself about it, the answer usually is I'm I am so glad I'm still doing this and I want to keep doing this. So the only time and the first time that I ever had a thought of not doing this, being this being shop owner, um, it was last year when the tariffs were being implemented and everything was uncertain. I had the final, I just had this realization come over me that um if I needed to, I could end the store. Right. And that I could see my life afterwards. I don't know if I would what I would do, but I could see the store coming to an end. And that I think is fairly drastic to think that that's the mental place that small business owners were in. And then thank you to the current atmosphere of uncertainty. So um, but I don't currently feel like that. It was more just a realization that if that is what's gotta happen, then I I can live, I will survive that. Um, but as for I still see myself doing this until I decide to retire. Um, but it's funny because there is a component related to this that I am exploring right this minute. And I can't really say more about it, but it's just going a little deeper into what I'm currently doing. So um it is a shift though, because there's a lot of parts of it that are different. So, anyways, that was nice and vague.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

I know I love it. Well, I know what that is, but we'll we'll hold off and we'll tell everybody when the time is right what you're up to. But I think what I'm realizing in what you just said about having reached that moment where you could see possibly the end of the store. And for me, thinking at one point, maybe I don't want to do this anymore, I kind of wonder if it's just reaching a space where you give yourself permission that that is an option. And prior to me reaching that point, and prior to you reaching that point, neither of us had really ever considered that it was even a possibility. Yes. And there is something kind of freeing about giving yourself permission to say, it doesn't have to look like this forever. I don't have to keep doing this. I'm in charge of my life. I can decide. And if this feels too hard or this is not where I want to be anymore, I have I'm giving myself permission to consider something else.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

That that's very true because that was exactly the feeling I had once I came to that realization and had that thought. I mean, it is seems really crazy and exaggerated for me to say that in 20 and a half years I had never thought that, but I really truly hadn't. And once I had that thought and then realized this can end and it will all be okay, it was such a freeing feeling.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Right? It was just like, oh, all right. And then it's like you get to choose it again, which is how I felt. I felt like giving myself permission to say, maybe I'm gonna be done with this, maybe I'm gonna walk away and do something else. And anyone hearing this is like, oh no, don't. But I've been pretty transparent with my community and talked about burnout and talked about, you know, those feelings. And it was really good for me to be able to just allow myself to consider it so that I could choose to keep going instead of like I have to keep going.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

And I think that's where important sentiment, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Right. Because over the years of having a business, there does kind of get to be a moment where you don't feel like you're choosing it anymore. Like you've just you're in too deep. This is what you have to do. And I have to pay the bills. I can't afford to not work or just, you know, I really couldn't afford to just stop doing what I do. But I needed to give myself permission to feel that way and to just say, okay, you'll figure it out. If you do need to close this down, you'll figure out what you can do next. And then doing that allowed me just enough room to realize, oh, wait, I do want to do this. Yes. I just need to do it with a little more balance and I need to make sure that I'm setting good boundaries so that my business isn't my entire so that you're running your business and not your business is running you. A hundred percent. And there'd be so many times when I would say to my husband, like, oh, I'm so overwhelmed, I'm exhausted, I'm so stressed out. And he's like, You need to talk to your boss. I was like, I was like, my boss is a jerk. So right. All right, right, running your own business. There's a lot to it.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

I feel like I want to be able to give advice to uh kids that are my kids' age, young adults that are my kids' age. And I feel like I can't because I think we had it so much easier entering the workforce. I mean, as a grad as a college grad, I just, you know, started looking in the papers and got a job. And I know that that has not been the case for my daughter.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Um Do you want to hear something interesting about the job market right now?

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Because I also have a son who he's gonna graduate next year from OSU, and right now he's try trying to figure out his summer job. And the one he thought he was gonna get fell through. So he's like, uh, all right, I don't know what I'm doing. So apparently, with this new AI world that we're in, resumes that are handwritten, that not handwritten, but written by a person are less likely to be uh reviewed positively than resumes written by AI because so many companies are using AI to screen resume applications and AI will always prefer itself. It prefers itself. I know it's mind-blowing. So I don't know if that helps, but it could be interesting to do some A-B testing and see if that gets them through. Because can you imagine that the way you get in the door is you have to wait until a machine decides if your resume is the one that it's gonna give a chance to? I used to be able to get a job based on my presence and personality, and I could go in with my resume and be dynamic and just get the job. Now it's like just it's if it's on paper and the computer spits it out, okay. But if not, you're out of luck.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Isn't that interesting? Yeah, that's it's crazy, it's interesting, it's frightening, all of the above.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

You know, keep at it, talk to people. Networking is something that AI cannot take from us, it can't network for us, you know, it can't do the face-to-face human interactions, and the more things we're involved in, I say this as an introvert, um, the more places we are meeting other people in person, the more opportunities we're gonna have access to for jobs. And so I think there is still something of value there.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm we are as we speak, I'm crossing my fingers that uh Miss Campbell has about to is about to get an offer today on it for a job, and it's a job that is absolutely like hey, I can't do this job. Um, I'm not gonna say what it is, but it's which is right up her alley because she is the ultimate people person. Um so crossing my fingers.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

I know, I know. Well, and when your adult kids who are in school don't get a job, all of a sudden that's a lot of pressure on the family too to step in and help them survive, you know. And so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

And I know she's not the only one. I mean, I'm talking to the parents of her classmates that have all graduated from college and they're just like, yeah, they're looking. They're looking. I know they're applying for everything.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

It is tough, but all the more reason why I think being an entrepreneur is great because you can be in charge of your own destiny to some degree. It is still challenging because look around, you know, it's rough, but I'm so fun.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

I love learning little tidbits.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

I know. Well, you know, I wish I could say I have I did a lot of random things for jobs when I had small kids and we had one car and you know, things were limited, but you know, it's all part of the story of who we are. So exactly it's a lot of fun. Well, next week, I'm giving you a heads up now, Sarah, because this is gonna require a little homework. And don't be scared. It's gonna be good homework. So next week we're gonna talk about being lifelong learners, and I want to talk about what we learned the previous week. So go into this week with a plan to kind of keep tabs on the things that you're learning, and we're gonna talk about that. And I think it's so important. I just read an article about how important it is for our brains and our neural pathways and our mental health as we age to continue learning and actively seeking out opportunities to learn. And so we're gonna talk about that. And your assignment and my assignment is to pay attention this week and we're gonna talk about what did we learn? What did we learn this week?

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Wow, okay, that is a good challenge. You know what else it's gonna, it's gonna make me very much more mindful, or at least I hope it will.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

As I go through my day. Same.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

I mean, it'll do the same for me. And I I thought that's that's really good to just notice when we're when we're doing that. So excellent.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

All right, I'm looking forward to that. Um, well, this has been super fun. Um, if you're out there and you're entering the workforce, or maybe you're just looking to switch things up. Um, mostly what I want to tell you is that I wish you the very best and to not give up.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

To give up any other kidding advice, just oh gosh, don't give up. Maybe start your own business and get out among people. Yes, get out among people because being face to face with other people is something AI cannot replace. So networking, which as much as I hate that word, networking, going to places where the people are that are in the like the work, working for the companies, whatever that you are interested in, that's that's probably one of the best ways right now. I agree. I reluctantly agree. Reluctantly agree. All right. So if you are wondering what to do about your job or helping a young person in your life with their next job, just remember.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

We tried to tell you.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

We did, we did. See you next week.