What Do Anti-Aging, Slang, and Technology Have in Common?

In this week's episode we're talking about the benefits of lifelong learning. Join the conversation!

Here's the Psychology Today article (mentioned in this episode)

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Welcome to We Tried to Tell You, a podcast full of unsolicited opinions about life, fiber, and everything in between. I am Sarah Keller. And I am Marie Green. And today we're gonna talk about what we learned this week. And I need to give us a little caveat that we already did this episode once, and it was a hot mess for a variety of reasons. So um we're doing it again, but better we've learned because we learned a couple things. Like maybe a really broad topic is a little too broad, a lot of rambling. Um, and you know, not to mention that I had an audio issue. So fingers crossed that everything is smooth. We learned we can do better. We learned we could do better. That's a good yeah. So the idea behind this episode is to be a lifelong learner, to be someone who is open to new information, to being willing to try new things, learn new things, because it's so good for our brains.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

And I consider myself a lifelong learner. Sarah, do you consider yourself one?

SPEAKER_01 1:22

I sure do. I love learning things. In fact, um, it's one of my favorite ways to sidetrack myself when I have something else I should be doing, is I decide this is the perfect time to learn XYZ.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Oh no, I feel called out. I never, I just learned a new thing because I didn't realize that I do that, but I totally do that. Oops, excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Oh boy. Uh yeah. Well, um, you're welcome. And uh yeah, let's like if I have a really big deadline, this is probably the time I'm gonna pick up a new language on Duolingo.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Yeah. For me, it's like, oh, you know what I should do is I should get a degree in horticulture right now. Not even joking. I literally sent away for information from OS. Maybe I should, maybe I should study horticulture. That seems like such a great idea right now.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

And I know you would never joke about something like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

I take my horticulture very seriously, as you know. Yes. Um, yeah. Well, one thing I learned this week is that we've had 5,000 downloads for this podcast, which is kind of fun.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

That's insane.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

It is because it means someone out there is actually listening to it.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Who's listening to this drivel? My mom or my sister can't account for 5,000 downloads.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

So I don't I I don't even have that. I don't even think my sisters are listening. Uh so I have no idea when that's happened, but thank you, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Yeah. If you are listening and you want to just, you know, say hello, we do have our Facebook page. Um, we tried to tell you podcasts, and we'd love to hear from you. That would be fun.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Sarah would love to hear from you.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

He's never gonna look at it unless I screenshot it and send it to her. She'll screenshot and send it to me, maybe. Uh, yeah, no, I mean it really is fun, but I I think because I am in in the throes of the four-day lung right now, I oh gosh, yes, most definitely am not feeling like I want to read any extra emails.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

Extra time on on this the socials, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Exactly. But you know, go us 5,000 downloads. That's pretty great.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

That's a wonderful thing to learn.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

It really is. And we have, I think this is like episode 23, 24, right around there. So we're crazy. Look at us doing the thing, doing the thing, and this all started uh years ago when I think it was pre-COVID time. Yes, it was when we would do our little annual trip somewhere and stay. This is how you know we're not fun to travel with, you guys. Be indoors, we would just go somewhere really beautiful and stay inside in our comfies and just knit and talk and eat food and and come up with harebrained ideas like starting a podcast. Yeah, it took us a long time to get it going, but here we are. And we did, I think we've mentioned before, gosh, we're running out of time to get one scheduled for this year, and we did it. We've got our getaway scheduled, so we're doing it.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

We did it, we're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

We're doing it. Maybe we'll do an episode. Oh, that would be fun.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

We should do that.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yeah, we'll bring all of our stuff. Um okay, so what is something you learned this week, Miss Sarah Keller?

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Well, um, really quick, I think I what this seems so obvious, but I learned that um if you think about if you reframe the struggles that you're going through just day to day as learning moments and learning opportunities, um that's really what they boil down to. And it can just change your whole perspective. So it can turn um what seems like a negative thing into a positive thing. And that's not to say negative things don't happen. Of course they're gonna happen, but every time we have to struggle through something, we that's that's the the um learning curve, basically, in effect. And so that's because we're learning something new. So I've never thought about it that way. I've never stopped to think about that. Right. I'd like to hold on to that um that memory and that realization more as I go through daily life, you know, reframing struggles um or roadblocks or anything as learning opportunities.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

I love that. And you're so right. And I don't love the learning curve part of learning, but I love once I get right past it and I've conquered it, that feels so good. You know, I heard somebody say, Did you have a bad day or was it just a bad hour? You know, was it just a bad minute? Because sometimes I'll think, oh gosh, it's been such a rough day. But really, it was like one or two rough things happened, but the whole day wasn't bad, you know. Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

And you're just so fixated on those things.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Right. So it's kind of back to that reframing things as you know, learning opportunities, as just moments in the bigger picture, not the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

I like that.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

That's great. I really like that a lot.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

So that was just like a small thing I learned. How about you?

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Well, one thing I I kind of relearned this week. So you know I we launched the four-day nadlong, that's out and running. This is the 10-day novel, the final.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Kudos, round of applause here. Big deal. It's such a big deal.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

And it's so nice to get it going. Um, but it's so funny because I have relearned something and it's so interesting when it's something you know, but when you actually experience it in real life, it really cements the idea. But have you ever heard of a desire path?

SPEAKER_01 7:01

No, I have not.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Okay. So it's related to what I learned. So a desire path is, for example, when you're at a university campus and there are sidewalks, but then there is a path where people walk kind of cutting across from one sidewalk to the other. And so there's sort of uh, you know, the grass is worn down, and like this could be at a park, it could be, you know, it's where users, you know, the difference between user interface and user experience. We'll get a little techie. UI, UX, okay. You know, I'm a tech person. So the UI is the user interface, it's like how it was designed. So the sidewalks were designed for people to walk a certain way, but the user experience is that it makes more sense to people using it, they're gonna go this other way, and that's how they carve out a desire path.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Okay, okay. So great analogy.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

I saw that in real time with my watermark patterns because the patterns, if you so it's all over lace. So it's we're knitting a top-down raglan, either a pullover or a cardigan, and it's all over lace. You're doing a lot of things at once. You're increasing, you're shaping, and then you're working a lace pattern. And what is so common for knitters is they like to add extra markers around their lace repeats. The pattern doesn't call for them to do that because we are already using a lot of markers, and the markers are all really strategic. And so I wrote it to the specs of how I anticipated that people would knit it. All of a sudden, so we had, I should back up. So we had like 25 test knitters, 50 hours of tech editing, which is just absolutely insane. Um, usually it's like two to three hours. Yeah, it really must be. It's it was atrocious. Um, just and it wasn't even that there were problems in the pattern, it was just verifying every single thing every so many pages and so many, whatever. But we went through tons of testing. There's like 65 yarn shops and dyers participating, knitting samples. So this didn't come up at all with any of them. But as soon as I released it to the public, here's where we find out what the user experience is. People were getting to row 13 and they were confused and they were like, My lace isn't lining up. And I'm like panicking, thinking, What? I start knitting it. I'm like, it lines up. I don't know what they're talking about. And I finally figured out they were adding all these extra markers in between each repeat. In between each repeat, but the way the row starts because you're working these increases, it's really not designed for you to do that.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

If you're an intuitive knitter and you can see where things are, you can absolutely. But when you're getting it all set up, it's hard to read your knitting. You can't see what's going on yet. So they're what they were doing was not what was in the pattern. It wasn't what I intended, but it was messing them up. So once I figured that out, I could give advice ahead of time and say, okay, if you get to row 13 and something doesn't work, it's probably because you added a bunch of extra markers. So take those out, get it established, and then you know, kind of go from there. So desire path. Yeah, I saw that in action this week.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Fascinating. That's really fascinating. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Oh my god. It's so weird to see it happen.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Thank you for teaching me something new.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Yeah. I'm gonna have to think about that a lot. Well, you know, it's funny. I one of the things that I learned is related to the watermark um knit-along as well. So the yarn that you used in your original cardigan, which is the feederbrook farm BFL solid, we carry that and we've, you know, been promoting it for the knit-along and sold a ton. That's what I knit.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

I bought mine at your shop. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

So I, you know, I knit mine, it worked fine, it was great. We got an alert from a customer that they thought their skeins were light. So just a little background here in commercial yarn, typically your skeins are sold in 50 gram weights or 100 gram weights. Um, we understood that the feeder brook was 100 grams, and so which is just totally standard. Um, and so I I thought, oh gosh, that's oh crazy. Oh no, what am I gonna do? I pulled a bunch of them off the wall to measure or to weigh, and sure enough, they were all coming out between like 70 and 80 grams each, and I just thought, oh no, we have sold so much of this yarn, and if people don't have enough and the dialets are gonna be different, I mean like just spiral panicking, right? Yeah, but then I started to think, okay, logic tells me that's not a problem because I made mine in the anticipated number of skeins, right? Right. Um, based on yardage. And the the skeins have 260 yards or supposed to, and so I knew my size had 900 called for 900 and something, and I got that amount of yarn and I had yarn left over. So I was totally fine. So I thought there's got to be something else at play here. So I reached out to the owner of Feederbrook Farm. Her name is Lisa Westra. And this is a small, small, this is not a big commercial yarn company. This is a literally a farm. She raises sheep and she has uh milling machines and she like does the makes the yarn, makes it.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Oh my gosh. I feel kind of guilty now for choosing that yarn because I'm sure that was a little bit overwhelming, just because it's the magnitude of people.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Just think of the learning opportunity you have created for all of us, myself included. So I asked, I you know, reached out to Lisa. Hopefully, I didn't sound too panic, like, what's going on? Yeah. Why are you also like and she was so sweet. So we got on the phone and she said, We don't actually measure our skeins by weight, we only measure them by yardage. And she went on to explain why. So they have a special machine that they use to skein their yarn, and it can skein them out into 260-yard skeins. And BFL, which is blueface Lester wool, that's what their yarn is made of. One of my favorites. The wool that they get varies greatly in density. So it can be spun into a two-ply that is a consistent yarn across skeins, but they weigh different amounts. And so rather than create a bunch of skeins that all weigh 100 grams and have these yardages that are all over the place because some are denser, some are not, even though they're gonna knit up to a consistent gauge, they decided it would be easier for knitters to know exactly how much yardage they were getting. And so they make sure that each skein is 260 yards. So I learned a such a machine exists. There is a name for it, and I apologize, Lisa. She told it to me, and I cannot remember what it is. It's like a person's name or something, like the Bob Johnson machine or something like that. Right, right. But um, I had no idea such a machine existed. I didn't know that you could get all this variation in density in the BFL, and now we know nobody needs to freak out, nobody needs to worry. And that's why my sweater was fine. Um, it weighs lighter than one would expect if they were 100 grams skeins, but the yardage was on, and that's why I was able to execute it as expected. So it was a big learning curve for me, and then um maybe even a little bit for Lisa because I was like, okay, everybody was freaking out because they really need to know. And she's like, that's a really good point. We'll make sure there's and she went and changed the description on all of her products to explain why they don't use weight. So now even on her website, she's updated that info. We updated that info. We're spreading the word. We've let customers know. There was even a customer who reached out from Knit Camp who and we explained, and she was like, Oh, that's so great. Okay, I get it. I'm gonna let everybody know what I've just learned. So that's lots of learning, trickle down learning.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Lots of learning, trickle down learning. Oh, it's so good. You know, it's hard as a designer because the yardage per weight is how I help people choose the right yarn. Right. So that really kind of throws things off a little bit. But everything worked out. And when I knit the second sample, which was the pullover version, I finished the cardigan on my trip in Ireland while I was taking knitters around. And I needed to start the other sample, but I didn't have any yarn with me for that. So I just was like, I have to find something at one of these shops that might work. And I couldn't find something that was the perfect thing. And I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna use this and we'll see how it goes. And so my pullover version is in that Katya concept cotton cashmere that I bought at UMama Knits in um Northern Ireland, just across the border. I can't remember the town, but you mama. She's it's just like a hip, fun, funky little yarn shop. It was really cute. But I thought, well, hopefully this will work. And it did, and I loved it, and now it's almost like a souvenir from my trip. But yeah, but definitely it didn't conform to the yardage and weight that I was expecting. But I think there's something so forgiving about lace, it just I agree.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

This pattern is very flexible. This is the message that we've been broadcasting far and wide with any questions, is that this is this pattern has so much um flexibility in it. For so many reasons. So I'm actually about to start my third.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

My third water.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

I've never seen you knit three of one of my patterns before, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

I have you're right. I've knit a lot of doubles, and I as I say all the time, I don't knit things twice, which is becoming a lie because I've knit many of your sweaters twice. I love it, but yeah, I think uh this is gonna be a first for a third.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

I love it. I love it. Uh well, I can't wait to see it. What color is this one? Um, silver. Ooh, yeah, silver gray. Brady, is it the cardigan or the pullover?

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Pullover.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

I'm just addicted to the summer tea. I know. Well, I'm designing another one right now, so I'll I'll with yarn I got through you, so I'll tell you about it later. They can learn about that another time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Another time. Another time.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Uh I have to say, after the episode, I can't remember which episode it was. It was like five or six episodes ago where you talked about something uh going to trade shows. It was that episode, and several people privately messaged me. What was Sarah talking about? What's the gossip? I'm like, I really can't tell you. That's highly privileged information. But anyway, somebody's probably gonna be curious now, but maybe they'll tune in next time.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yes, there you go. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Um, so did you learn anything else interesting? I did. So I've been doing research for an upcoming writing webinar that I'm gonna do. And I read an article about just creativity in general, which applies to anything. It doesn't have to be writing, it can be knitting and painting and all of those things. And I thought this was so cool because I love any confirmation that my hobbies are very necessary. Right? I I really need as much reinforcement as possible to prove why I should definitely be working on my hobbies and not cleaning out anything, you know, my closet or cleaning my stove. No. Uh so creative pursuits are one of the best anti-aging measures for our brains. And here is a quote. This was in psychology today. And this is based on a couple of studies of one of them was like 1,500 people. And so, anyway, you can look at psychology today. We'll put the link in the show notes. But this is a direct quote Creative pursuits have their strongest effects on the parts of the brain that are most vulnerable to aging. And doing creative activities, not just here's the thing though, it's not just doing the one motion that you're comfortable and familiar with all the time. It really is stretching your brain, yes, trying different techniques, learning new things. Um, but it can slow biological aging. Is that not amazing?

SPEAKER_01 18:58

I mean, could we just make this like our main ad campaign for what we do? I think so.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Gee. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

I thought that was so great.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

It is, it is, and that explains a lot about like why it feels so elastic when we're when we are learning or making um, even just a knitting uh uh sweater where we are following a pattern when you get to the next section of it and you're like, okay, what am I doing here? What is this? And then you know, as you work it through, and then you're like, oh, okay, I see. I can see how that would be helping your brain keep those synapses firing. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Yeah, it really is, it really is so good for us. And it's why I find it so interesting. Have you ever taught a class or had a customer come in that says, I've been knitting for 50 years? And so, and then whatever follows that is some sort of I already know everything. I've been knitting for 50 years and therefore there's nothing new you can teach me. There's nothing new you can teach me. But I actually so often get to have the joy of hearing people say the opposite. They say, I've been knitting 50 years and I can't believe that I just learned something new. And it's such a fun feeling because it's so good for us to try new things because we can be knitting for 50 years, but me knitting the same couple of baby sweaters, Afghans, you know, just our kind of standard patterns, but it's so good to navigate an unfamiliar technique or an unfamiliar pattern or project that feels like it's out of your comfort zone. Your regular, yeah, your regular routine.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

You know, this makes me think we were just briefly talking about um how we don't feel like we are at the phase where we learn a lot in knitting anymore, like we've done a lot. But I actually forgot that just very recently I did encounter a project that like completely stretched my brain. It was the um Lumino T, and we did it for a knit-along, and it's a fun little kind of no-sleeve summer type of shirt. The construction on that thing is such a puzzle. You're just you gotta have faith in the pattern and just forge ahead. And the whole time you're like, what am I making right now? Like, where am I? And that is, I did have a moment where I was, you know, it may not have been like I was acquiring some brand new skill, but boy, my brain had no idea where we were headed. And so I bet that I was firming up those uh synapses right there.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah, exactly. It's it's really it's really good for us. And I think too, when you see people in our communities, uh, the longevity and the the fact that they're knitting well beyond phases that maybe other people are still doing right mental and you know tangible activities. And so I think it really is so good for us.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

The other thing, which I may have mentioned this before, but when we're learning a new thing, it slows time down. Did I talk about that before? I think. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

But tell tell us about that.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

It it's because of the mental bandwidth we need to navigate a new situation and a new project that we're unfamiliar with. The learning aspect slows time down. It's like the opposite of when you're driving home from, let's say, from work back in the day, and you have a familiar route that you always take. Oh, and you like all of a sudden you're home and you don't remember even. Yeah, you lose time. And it's not like you aren't paying attention, but you just sort of zoned out a little bit because you have it so it's so familiar and so memorized. And there's something about taking a different route. And so part of that creative thing, too, I think if we're learning new things, not only are we helping our brains, but we're also helping to slow time down a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

Which who doesn't need a little more time?

SPEAKER_00 22:50

I do.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Everyone needs a little more time.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

So what else have you learned lately?

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Well, I did I learned that basically every single day in my working life is learning. Yeah, because I use like software that is constantly evolving, aka Shopify. Anyone else on Shopify is gonna like be, yeah. I mean, every time you log in, pretty much something has been updated or changed or reformatted or moved or whatever. And so you have no choice. It's like sink or swim, you learn or you like lose the ability to function. So I've never thought about that, but it is like I had a new app, we're migrating to a new app, and it's like gotta figure all of that out. Um, had to learn about there's a they're they're sunsetting their major inventory management system, and we're gonna have to learn a whole new one. And so it's just non-stop. And Jill, uh, the manager at the store, she is every time, I swear every week, she gets on the point of sale part of Shopify, and she's like, it's all moved again. It's all different. So I'll have to tell her, she'll probably appreciate learning that every time it moves, A, time is slowing down, and B, she is keeping that brain tissue elastic.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Yes, she is. Absolutely. It's so good for us to have those annoyances, honestly. And you're right, as a small business owner where we do a lot of our work, for me, most of it's online. I am constantly dealing with technology and all of the various changes that are constantly happening. And I feel like every platform has suddenly adopted AI. So everything's different on every single platform. None of the platforms are communicating, everything's crazy. And it just means that I have to be really adaptable and I have to always be willing to figure out, navigate, help my customers navigate these changes. And there's a shocking lack of knitting in my knitting business. I know.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

I was just gonna say the irony, the how much we depend and have to use tech in our knitting businesses.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

It's wild. It's so wild. There's just a lot of technology, which I really do enjoy. But there are moments where, especially lately, and this is sort of I guess I learned this this week as well. I read that Gen X, maybe the young Gen X and below, which I'm a young Gen X, are kind of thumbing their nose at a lot of the AI stuff right now.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

And really embracing the analog thing and getting offline. And Polaroid did this great campaign where they have these pictures of Polaroid snapshots of people outdoors swimming and hiking, and it says, like when with the swimming, they're jumping into kind of by a waterfall or something, and it says, go outside and swim before the data centers use up all the water kind of thing. Yes. And I was like, do I need to buy a Polaroid? I mean, it was so compelling. I was like, that's such a good advertising campaign, but it's speaking to the the segment of the population who is embracing slow art, slow fashion, creative pursuits, like everything you can think of is coming back. You know, all of the I'm seeing toll painting again. I never thought that would come back. Toll painting. Yes. It's coming back, baby. So much of my youth. Right. I had a toll painting era as well. Uh-huh. But it's great, right? It's great for us in creative industries as creative small business owners. Yeah. But it's also kind of awesome. And I'm really trying to do that. I'm trying to make sure I step away, go out in my garden a little bit without my phone. Went to the store without my phone yesterday. Only you did? Yes. Did you do it on purpose or on accident? No.

SPEAKER_01 26:56

No, I did it on accident. Oh my gosh. I got home and like I had 16 texts, and then my and my oldest FaceTimes on my, you know, my husband was like, Where are you? I tried to call you. I'm like, I left my phone at home.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

I never do it, but I left my phone at home yesterday and I was a little bit, I felt like I was being naughty. Like, ooh, look at me. I'm sneaking out, and nobody knows that I'm at the grocery store right now. I'm like off off grid. Off grid. Yeah. Awesome. But it was, yeah, but it was kind of fun. For both of us. Yeah. For both of us. I think it's a good, a good sign, you know, good thing to find balance. So any other uh fun things you learned this week that you want to share with us?

SPEAKER_01 27:37

You know, I'm constantly learning things from my 19-year-old, but I don't think I need to share those all. I just like slang and ways the world works. And I'm just I have never felt more old than when there's a group of 19-year-old young women in my kitchen talking, and I'm like, what now? What's that? What are you saying? They're so tolerant, they always explain it to me, but boy, I feel like the mom.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Well, uh, between the language that none of us know what they're talking about, right? And then the old styles coming back, yeah, right? The 80s dress. And 90s styles, like it is just it's the whole thing is confusing to my brain. Why? Yeah, I know. I'm pretty sure sure I saw jellies come back.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Oh, I for a hundred percent they are back. They are back. And if you learn nothing, everybody who's listening, you'll smell them soon because oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

I saw somebody in jellies just last week. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Okay. Well, I I I learned enough the first time. Yes. I learned from that experience. I don't need to learn that again. That's for sure. Um, well, this was a fun episode. It is. Yeah, always good to keep learning. So whether that is your craft or trying something new and different, just something that's been interesting to you, it's not too late to start. In fact, it might be a really good time to start.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

Yeah. Stretch those brain cells.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Absolutely. Sarah, what are we going to talk about next week?

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Okay, next week, maybe a little controversial. I don't know. But what I would really like to talk about is who's actually making money in our business. Um, are we making money? Are shops making money? Are designers making money? Are the large manufacturers making money? Are there any more large manufacturers left that haven't been bought by private equity? There's some good things to unpack right there that are really, really timely right now. So um we'll pick a few of those. I'll have some, I'll have some highlights and some bullet points, but I I think it's a good discussion, at least to start having, because I think that a lot of our listeners who are consumers probably don't know anything about this side of the industry.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

No, probably. Oh, that's gonna be a good one. All right, good call, Sarah. Okay, friends. Well, uh, thanks for being one of our 5,000 downloads. If you're here, I mean you are listening and downloading, and we really appreciate you. And we we hope you'll come back. We hope they haven't scared you away yet. And um, I guess next time you're considering whether or not to try something new, just remember. We tried to tell you. We did, we really did. We'll see you next week.