Episode 9: Beef & Drama from the High School Perspective

Students in high school discuss the ins and outs of "beef" and drama. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of MIA Mindful Inside Always, and I'm here with Zahara. And today we wanted to talk about something funny. We wanted to talk about beef drama and diss tracks and why we like celebrity chaos so much.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

And I know about it, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Okay, so why do you think people get so excited when celebrities start drama?

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Honestly, I just feel like it's their way of living vicariously through like people's lives are like boring and just seeing your famous celebrity like I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Do something like random.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Yeah. And do you think that there's actual like real celebrity beef where people are just doing it for the popularity?

SPEAKER_02 0:48

It's definitely for popularity. Like you are you actually beefing over simple, simple things? Like why, why?

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

And this first question is so funny. Why are diss tracks so popular in music culture and what makes them different from regular songs?

SPEAKER_02 1:11

I think it's like you know, their way of expressing themselves, and it's like really, really funny because like they just say like the most random stuff, and people they have their own personal views, and I feel like they apply it to their own personal lives.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

And how do artists like Kendrick Lamar use this tracks to still to tell a story or make a point?

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Kendrick Lamar is like really poetic. So literally, like the way he speaks and the way he was talking about Drake, it was so funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

And do uh do you think fans take celebrity drama too personally and why?

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Def definitely, like there's this childish bambino um documentary. It's more like a show, it's called Swarm Ray, and it really like encapsulates that. Like, there's a super fan of Beyoncé. Well, she's called something else in the show, but like she's flying that she's Beyonce. Yeah, but she gets upset. Like, if anybody diss her Beyonce, like she would go and kill them.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Like, what is this?

SPEAKER_01 2:29

What did you watch? I don't know. It was so pretty good that I'm not gonna laugh. How do platforms like TikTok and Twitter? I'm not gonna call it X, make celebrity drama bigger than it actually is throughout Twitter. Do you remember 2020 Twitter? Like 2020 cancel culture Twitter. That was the time to be a laugh. Every makeup artist is getting canceled. Remember when Shane Dawson got canceled and jumped up? Jamie Charles, I susto it.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Yeah, that was why but the other day it I'm really happy you picked me for this podcast because it's like this is really insightful. I was really thinking about this the other day. Like I saw a tweet and I was like, no one k pop stands arguing over like the most like something nobody cares about, and it really helped me think like why do we care so much? Like, what's the reason? But Twitter definitely escalates it, like they get they will go into your Twitter from like 2015, 2010.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Search those posts, they will find a reply that you left in like 2013 to like some random man like cursing them out, and they're gonna find it, dude. On 2020, I was scared because you never know. Like, you could have tweeted you could have posted something when you were like a child on musically or something, and they're gonna bring it up and be like, This is racism. This is like canceled, cancel like cancel culture was bad, especially on Twitter. Oh, it was terrible.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

That's why I'm so happy. I think I never grown adult during 2020 because I think god, I wouldn't be canceled. Oh my god, and I hope one day Likey gets taken down because I still have videos up in there, and it's so bad.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

And do you think celebrity beef would be as popular without social media?

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Definitely not because I don't think anybody would know, to be honest. If they didn't like people just make purposefully shot Instagram stories, Snapchat, TikTok, just shading the other person, and they just take it and go run with them.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

And like an ethics part of it. Do you think it's okay for people to profit off drama and conflict?

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Definitely not, not at all. Like, you know, baddies, which one Caribbean? Probably USA the most recent one. I see the way, like, you know, Krishna and her sister, they literally like profiting off their beef so bad. It's really and it's like deep family matters, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

It's I remember in uh which one was it? I think it was Baddy's Caribbean Christian Rock. I remember it was really bad because um like she got tattooed, like blue face, like tattooed on her face. Like she had a kid, and that kid ended up like messed up.

SPEAKER_02 5:15

Dude, baddies is not real. Baddies needs to be taken down and destroyed from the internet, it's definitely affecting our youth. Love and hip hop atlanta. It has done irreversible things to the black community, and it needs to be stopped. They need to stop with the seasons. No more. I don't know how I'm very passionate about this, okay? No more, no more, no more.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

You like it so freaking that it's so serious, they need to stop. And well, yeah, you already went over this. Like, if you think that celebrity drama is staged, when does an entertainment cross the line into harassment?

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Okay, I think honestly, people like a celebrity might be sharing a problem, and then like their fan base will turn it into a deeper thing and just send a bunch of death threats and a bunch of stuff, threatening these to the other person's family, and it's like the family wasn't even involved at all. What? Why are you trying to leak their address? Doxing, doxing, and like what like TikTok and be like, I hate this video.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Then the next thing she like she makes a video and she's like, This you and it's like your location, you're ice or city, your whole entire IP address is so bad. And for you, what's more entertaining? Subtle shade or direct distracts?

SPEAKER_02 6:46

I think direct because uh the subtle shade, like it could be about anybody. I like when it's more direct. I like when it's direct, and I also love when like beef, like like it immediately starts beep.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Somebody writes a distract about something, and then immediately they clap back, and it's because when it's indirect, you like never know. Like Megan, like Megan the Sally and Nikki. That was direct. That was that was direct. Oh, her Bigfoot distract was actually sick.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

Bigfoot, no, it was horrible. No, that was sick. Meg made that one up. And I was the barb for so long and it hurt me for the court, and especially since she's you know over there now.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

I don't know. I think her stitch up was looking crazy though.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

It was. I don't know. I think it's happened so quick. It did. I think there's something wrong, definitely. The aliens took aliens to the blue box, but she must have been thrown Palm Beach.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

They gave Nikki the Palm Beach Play. If you don't know what Palm Beach P is, you just need to search.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

And do you think celebrities should ignore drama or respond publicly? For me, it's because I like I like celebrity drama. I like I like Loki like to have the plot bag, so for me it's publicly.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

I definitely I like to see it too because it just shows them like you're not gonna take that disrespect. Like you can't just keep doing this over and over again.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Like you can't keep handling a disrespect. Like, no. He managed disrespect uh Megan was getting from Nikki, she needed to put PTA.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

No, definitely, because why would you make a dish for talking about how she got shot in her foot? That was sick. That was tragic. That was terrible.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

And she literally talks about how like it was like the one of the scariest moments of her life. But she climbed back with that husband thing. Megan's long and does drama help or hurt an artist's career in the long run?

SPEAKER_02 8:42

I think it can definitely hurt. Like, we feel like it also depends, you know. Oh, yeah, it can definitely boost and elevate your career, but if you just keep getting into drama, that's what all you're gonna be known for. Like, also, we see in the Oscars the recent drama of Timothy Chalamet. That definitely are we talking about nobody cares about ballet and clock? That is definitely not gonna help them in the long run. Hopefully, Kylie Jenner fixes this, her lip fillers and all that just helps them elevates it.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Sorry that it does. Did you see that Kim Kardashian is with like Lewis Hamilton?

SPEAKER_02 9:20

I did see that, but did you see like now like she tweeted at Michael B. Jordan asking if he was single or something because his new Oscar wins? I don't know if that was propaganda.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

I don't know if that was like pre-tweeted or what's what oh even like you know who's actually like a huge celebrity joke, gossip lover, like the president.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

He this is he this is on his Twitter. Twitter's a serious place for him, and he signs like signs Donald Jim. He's serious.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Like I guess is not I'm not trying to get political about it, but he's generally one of the presidents that he tweets, he like tweets 17 times a day.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

It's crazy, and it's like and it's never anything like inspirational when he did to Obama, what he said about Obama.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

That was so bad, and it's like how to like I know that these people have like media people, like guys, we can't let the president be doing that. How come the president is not PR trained by everybody else's sick? Like, all of his tweets, they're always like old they're like always throwing shade at somebody. Like he can never he can never be like, wow, what a beautiful day in America. It's always the device we've left, this and that, they're shutting the country.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Like people, people are lying. These are all lies trying to get to me, like they're trying to take me out. Like, I'm I don't know, it's too much.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Just with democratic hopes, this and that. Like, dude, what about peace, positivity, like inspiring the youth, you know, the head of America? Hello.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Now we're gonna talk about parasocial relationships. Okay, uh what is it for you?

SPEAKER_01 11:04

What what is a parasocial relationship? And this says, why do they feel so real?

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Honestly, I don't know. Like, if you see certain clips, they just like take whatever celebrity does and just like amplifies it to the max. Like, I feel like they think like they're speaking to them like a god, like like one-on-one, like god.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

Like, I don't like they don't even have this respect towards their mothers, but they respect some guy like XT53 on like TikTok or something.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

And I saw this streamer, she was talking about how like she used to like actually worship, you know, XX, like she used to praise him, she was saying, I was like, but where I see parasocial relationships, like most evident, you know, me and you were getting fucked down, like we but like you, you know, just like certain fan bases they take, and I think they genuinely believe they're in a relationship with these idols, like it's like and do you see like the people like they're always in the comment section?

SPEAKER_01 12:07

But like when they're in the comment section, they're like, I love you, please respond to my direct message. I miss you. This video's great, like they spam.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

It is crazy. It's crazy. Like, are you guys okay?

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Like, one of the examples, like you know, Demetra Diaz, like that like that got super popular last time. The amount of people who were so interested recently about her breaking up with her boyfriend, it was bad. I saw all her comments were just like you can't such a cheater. Like, like is that your business? Like, either way, what I think is funny is in the end, like he ended up denying it, but I like I do kind of wonder if it's true, and she was just like paid him off. Like, she gave him like a thousand bucks and said, Don't snitch on me, please. It's gonna ruin my PR.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

You know what drama I really want to know about? I really want to know about Jim and J beyond like that. Okay, bomb. Oh my god, stop talking about you.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

Like, hey, the concert's on Saturday, and then the PTS one is a little 20 game. You gotta ask. You gotta you gotta be you gotta be straight up. Is it even real? Or is it like all PR?

SPEAKER_02 13:07

I really don't know.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

But you know, you're gonna have to snitch on yourself on this next question, just letting you know.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

Oh you wanna hear it?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

Okay, have you ever felt emotionally connected to somebody you've never met? Why do you think that happens? You know what?

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Sometimes I see actually, you know what? When I was younger, I used to love Cameron Boy so much, actually, and it was so bad. Like, oh my I literally loved him so much. One day I found out he died, I was sick. You were sick. So I was sick to keep it. I remember when that happened. That was like my first, and I was you look nine. Yeah, I was so young, and I was six. Loving your life just that. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

And why do humans naturally form attachment to public figures?

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Like I said, you know, at the start of the progress, I just think people live like really boring lives, and like just the attention, just like seeing how they live, they're living vicariously through them. Like all their things. I think they actually think it's happening to them like s at the same time. I don't know. I don't think they can like differentiate themselves from celebrity.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

I don't like like I think parasocial relationships are like I feel like I mean I don't really care because I don't think I have an like I don't have emotional attachment to the rock's big head. Like I don't care. I do not care. And and do you think they can ever be a good thing? Because I think the problem is that a lot of people like get into these mental states that they're like and they see their parties quit and they're like turn like mentally unstable and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

No, I don't think anything good can really come out of it because it's just like they take it and they up it to thousands. Like you see, like these obsessing crazy fans, and they just go and follow them everywhere, they stalk them. You know, like He Sung's departure from Hyphen, like they swarming high building with protest trucks, they're all very upset, and honestly, do you believe do you believe that he actually left because he wanted a solo career? Because I actually think it's more. I think there's something that's well. I may I think that too, because you know, you see all these other items, they have solo careers in there still in their group, so I don't understand like I feel like like Blackpink, for example, like they came back as a group recently, but they went a whole entire year just solo and nothing happened.

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Like, why? Like, if you're gonna be under the same company too, like that was always confusing. If you're gonna be under the same company, just stay in the group.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

I know, like Gunjin did it, so many high artists did it, like BTS, all of them very absolute groups I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Like, I don't, I think it is just that's too much. And for we're actually gonna talk about something funny after this. Is it weird or normal to cry over celebrity or influencers?

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Um, it depends. I don't think I have personally because it doesn't affect me that much. But do you did you see that video of Michaela Nograre? She's like, everybody, I need you to sit down for this, like talk to me about her.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Everybody take a deep breath. I'm getting a divorce. Like, nobody cares. Like, okay, she told us to sit down. Like, why are you telling me to sit down? It's like a tragic moment in your life. Why do I care? Oh, yeah, that was my divorce. I'm gonna cry too. Like, I'm not even sure to say why she got a divorce.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Uh, because her husband was a drug addict, like, and he continuously just kept choosing it, so she decided to leave.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

But now it's honestly going to Hawaii, back and go to Hawaii, getting my suitcase ready for Hawaii. Oh my god. Would you want fans to feel personally connected to you if you were famous?

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Probably not, because at the end of the day, like they hold like celebrities to a very high status where they don't let them make any mistakes at all. And honestly, we don't we need to recognize like celebrities are still human too. Like they're gonna have stuff-ups, they're gonna do things that you may not or may not resonate with personally, and I don't want to disappoint anybody like that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

So and if you met your favorite like influencer, like creator or music artist in real life, would you feel like what do you feel how you expecting? Because at the end of the day, like you said, they're just humans.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Probably that I like they idolize them crazy, like they're Greek Roman statures, and I don't know. No, I don't I think actually it would be really awkward too, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

This is so funny, okay. I really wanted to talk about this because this kind of goes with like parasocial relationships. Why do people get so attached to fictional characters?

SPEAKER_02 18:00

Oh my god, I really don't know.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Like people, like the example that this one gives right now is euphoria and stranger things, but I want to talk about the whole entire Bryler thing.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Honestly, I maybe we shouldn't be doing this podcast because we're too like aware of it.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

We know, we know, but I think it's more like I don't think I think it's more like fetishization.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Like they see Biler, you know, he did rivalry and all those. Oh my gosh, that's bad.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

It's not just normal like fascination. They're taking these people and they're fetishizing them, they're describing them in different ways. And also, I think about fictional characters, it's more like you know, they don't have like they're perfect, you know, they don't have these flaws that humans have, and they like to like compare these their celebrities, the actual people that play them to the character, and it's like you know, because you know, Joey King, like they still see her as the girl from kissing do with the girl the awkward, but you know, she should try and adventure out like a friend of Jake of the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

The next I kind of want to this is this is so funny.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

The number one, I think just any type of art that has to do like fan art, like stories. This is this is what I want to talk about. Like the books, like the stories that people make about these fictionalized characters, like fanfics, oh my things like AO3 or like Tumblr or like Wattpad. I'm actually I actually opened it right now because I wanted to see what is the most popular like like what is the most popular thing on Halo 3? Oh let me see.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Don't read it, it's gonna be the sickest thing ever.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

AO3 is sick. Halo 3 is like Tumblr is sick. The Wattpad? No. Wattpad is the most the most popular is all the young dudes, which is a Harry Potter fandom, next with Marvel and DTS.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Harry Potter is never going to die. Like, we're gonna be hearing about Harry Potter for generation after generation because it's a lad. The fans are keeping it alive at all this whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

I don't know, I'm just assuming.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I don't know, but every time I see any type of Harry Potter lover, young or old, I just think like, are you on AR3? Those Harry Potter Exeron Weasley.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Yeah, the Draco Malfley ones changed everything.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Oh my gosh, like 2020. Read guys, would you guys read my uh Draco Malfree shying extra TikTok POVs?

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

I forgot about those.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

They still exist, it's like barely hearing it in my head. Oh my god, I hate TikTok POVs so much. I was watching them yesterday because I wanted to reload my best and I can't.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Another thing for me is like the amount of like books, just in general, like even books that are like not portrayed after a certain like fandom, you know what I mean? Like not like I think one of the I think it's kind of like the love hypothesis is like a book like that.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Oh, I think I've read it.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

I think it's not like the characters are based off Star Wars characters, but the the book has nothing to do with Star Wars. Like people are just making their own like alternate books at this point.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

I think fanfiction it like helps keep like things alive though, to be honest. Like it just explores the fandoms and stuff like who would have thought of Star Wars characters in a book that's deeply unrelated to Star Wars, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 21:55

It's like about like science, I think. I don't even know what it's about. There's too many of these books.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Yeah. But there's still like cons to it too, because I think if you read these fanfictions and like genuinely think that that's how the person would act or like it's sick. It's sick. It's sick. It's sick. There's a difference between reading a good book and just like Y'all are sick.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah, y'all. There's like a difference between like reading like getting an actual book from the library that can help you and going on AO3 and boom scrolling for like 16 hours a day. Like please go outside. Please, please see the song. Please just go out and do something. I'm trying to think of other books that I've heard that are like similar like this. I don't know, but you got a good point. I think the only thing keeping Harry Potter fandoms alive is generally just the amount of fanfictions that people think about.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

I don't even think these people are actually watching the movies. I literally I think they're just like yeah, all their character attributes in the fanfictions what they're going by, I don't think they've seen a single movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

And honestly and the scary part about it is that you'll be seeing anything. You'll be seeing from the old man of the series to the youngest person of the series and everything in between. And they and like they have plots. Like people come up with plots with this. Series. I don't know. How do you look at storylines from like a 50-year-old character with like a 20-year-old like girl? Like I'm I I no, you guys are you know what this reminds me of? James Franco.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Are you talking about his acting company, right? He is the sick man too. Oh dude. Listen, I I absorb media, like the unrestricted internet access I've had since a kid. It's taken me.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Even when I remember like in 2020, you were on it all the time. I was definitely stuck, guys.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

That was the time. That was the time of my life.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

It was just like, y'all, did y'all hear what Nikki did? What? The whole entire drama with like party B of like 2018 and Nicki Minaj. It was bad.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

And they were on a song together too, and it was terrible. But honestly, I just I don't want to say that she's threatened, but I don't know. Like, I think Nicki Minaj, she sees like any upcoming celebrities and then like just gets into fights with them. And I wish she wouldn't do onto others as Little Kim did to her because you know they got in huge beef over who's really the queen of rap. And it's just like, why don't you guys uplift each other?

SPEAKER_01 24:30

Because why don't y'all all have a picnic together? Go out to dinner, talk about how y'all are grateful that y'all have this much opportunity in life.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Exactly. Because being a female rappers already very judged and scrutinized, and you guys really should be just using your platforms to lift each other up instead of arguing over time, fighting over and who's man, this and that.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

This another thing, like you were mentioning too, is the amount of like bullying celebrity does to other celebrities. Like, this is so random. But do you remember like all the hate do a leap of god because people were saying that's just too stiff?

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Dancing in the crowd, and you know what? I feel like that was positive reinforcement though, because this she's she's picked it up now, she's definitely dancing better, she's more fun, but the bullying is sick, like we see what really happens, like people are really get there, they will take their lives. You don't know what people are going through, and honestly, I think they take their bullying and they just like you know Danielle from Cat's eye, like they bully her. Okay, but like have you seen her dad? Oh no, her dad, she he was he needs to come out, he needs to stop. That was me. But I before that happened, the situation with her dad, I feel like they were just like pointing out like every like all of her dancing, like yes, okay, you could say she overdanced a bit. Like, I'm not gonna lie. She but she is the main dancer, and you know what? Like, but I just feel like they were like picking out like anything, like the face, her gnarly face, obviously the sticker everywhere else. But yeah, I feel I feel I still do feel bad for her, but I don't know where Cat's eye's going anymore. Like, they're a mess.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

No, they're oh the chapel rowing!

SPEAKER_01 26:04

I did uh in I keep seeing memes looking like yo, chapo Rowan's rude, dude. She's like so mean for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

And she's at first I was like, you know, she's a slug, she doesn't like all the paparazzi attention, but I hear like she went to Grammy camp, this and that, but I do feel really bad for her because I feel like all the stuff on her is like severe because she's a woman. Like you see, all these artists freak out. I know Kensi almost like he used to fight paparazzi, but like I know.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

I think people just like yeah, I just like it's more severe on her because she's alone, but also at the end of the day, like I'm sorry I sent her a video about somebody to she yeah, but now I'm seeing that you went to Grammy Cup and you wanted to be in the spotlight, and just what I think is crazy is that people are actually finding out more about her real life and like like seeing all the lies that she made up.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Yeah, but also uh paparazzi, they're the worst. Like, you see what they did to Brittany Spears. You see, they literally killed Princess Diane, like paparazzi, they don't deserve anything. But I don't know if the kid deserves that, but apparently it was the security guard. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

I don't know, but either way, but I think it's well the problem is that people don't even believe Chapla Rowan anymore because this is like not this is like the fifth time it's happened. Like she's a select like I'm sorry, people like like when she used to yell at Grammy paparazzi because they would tell her you stop yelling at me, stop talking to me. She used to get mad, she used to get so impressive. She needs to have like 24-7 security guard because I feel like she would she'd be great on baddies. She would be great on baddies, she would leave, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 27:52

And I like how she actually stands up for herself too, but honestly, I don't know. I think it gets too I feel like she's just like getting trying to get all the attention that she needs, but I don't think she's doing it in the right way. No, definitely not. I don't know what her aim with this is, but I don't think it's helping her career because everybody just demonized her like dinner, not like her right now.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

I may be wrong. I remember I was looking at it this weekend. She's not real. Trouble Rowan's now we're not real. I think we need to talk about one more celebrity beef and then we can stop this. But I need a we need a good one.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

I need a really good celebrity beef.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Because Chapel Rowan, but I feel like Trouble Rowan is like a singular person he'd like. Oh my gosh. Taylor Swift and Kanye West.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

I don't even I don't really is that a going it is, it is, it is, it is. Okay, so you think it's still ongoing? Do you think he still cares? Because he's had an an interesting reader. Did you see them I what was it? The Grammys? I don't know where they were in she was vague and at the oh that was Brianna Connor. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

The officers like that. That was oh my gosh, that was the funny thing.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

I saw one that said uh this is not even Ann, it's Taylor Swift versus Katy Perry.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Jennifer Lopez, she sucks and an orange drink, an orange drink. I remember when I was a kid, uh just a crazy little kid on the bra. Ruffling her hair like even though it's been like confirmed that like her parents had money, like they would put them in like vocal training. Oh my god. What were you thinking? Because you went, oh Will Smith and Chris Ross. I actually have that one on my list. That was crazy. Yeah, that was your wife's name.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

Wow, and when you hear about the backstory of him and Jaden how like they're in a she had an entanglement with a really young boy, like August, it that was crazy. But seeing him still defend her, that I don't know. Yes. I don't know, too much, too much.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

That was funny though, because that happened like real live TV. Like that wasn't like I remember I watched it. What was it? The Oscars, I think. I think so. I remember what I was watching the Oscars with my mom, and then like he went out and my mom was like, My mom like stood there for a minute. She's like, Is this fake? And I was like, I don't think that was fake. Like everybody thought it was fake. It looks like a performance to them. She doesn't like it did look like a performance, but honestly, it was still one of like the funniest moments ever.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

But I think we still need a fact again, like Hollywood culture. I don't think they have like the same ability to like think manage their emotions like us because you know the party favors everything that they're on in high society, like they need to stop. They need to get off of it.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

You know what I just saw? When is Paltrow and Martha Stewart? Martha Stewart. When is Paltro is Pepper Potts, right? I think so. Maybe I'm wrong. I think. So where does Pepper Potts and Banned from England Martha Stewart have beef? What do they have beef about? Why would they have beef? Oh, it's because when she be when uh Gwyneth Paltcher started Goop, like her weird life. You remember Goop, like her really weird lifestyle? Her podcast, right? Huh? What was it was her podcast, right? I don't know. I think it was like something like that. And then Martha Stewart just like slammed her for like I don't know, something like that. What's up there?

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Oh wait, the biggest celebrity beef, you know, coming back from what we said in 2020, um Tati and James, all of them, the makeup industry, how they just like they all switched up on each other's crap. That was honestly like the best time to be like that.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

Because you could scroll through Twitter and the tweets were never ending. It was one after the the Twitter threads, one after another.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

And you were at my birthday dinner talking about like that was the time. That was that was the time.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

I even just 2020 celebrity beef. The hype house, the hype hilarious. That was it couldn't have been real, but hilarious regardless.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

I did, it was it was stupid, but it was like I don't know, I really like Courtney's shows, like they're very funny. Are they celebrating beef? Is Lia Bates and everybody? It's super she just I don't think she's already either, but she just gets on the internet and she just talks about anybody. Have you seen her in Connor McGregor?

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Connor McGregor? She's in Conor McGregor. No, she's arguing with she just argues and she does the bug crazy. You remember when um who was it? Oh, when um Addison Ray wore that like gem mask that didn't cover anything. I thought that was Lana. It might it was it was both. I think it was both of the both and she would like buy paparazzi to stand and she'd be like, guys, no photos, no photos. But then somebody said, You bought us, you make made us you remember how these she used to cover their mouth and say it was a mess, like the little like weird, like home like guys in the way they just wouldn't stop having parties.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Like, guys, you can you guys stay in your house, please? Can you guys get back to me? Can you guys do something else inside that?

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Hey look, who thought it was a great idea to put the hype house in like like 12 people in one house?

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Like peak COVID. It was bound to happen. All the problems were definitely bound to happen in it.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

But either way, now that we're kind of wrapping up on this, I think it was the time to be alive.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

And I actually missed it so much. I miss Sister Squad, I miss everything. I love Sister Squad Sister Squad, even though I actually deeply despise James Charles, but it's severe shame.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Shane Dawson, I wait, stop, wait. Before we cut, I need to say that I was actually loved Shane Dawson before he was a creepy. He was so funny. He is a sick, sick, sick, six, sick man, very sick man. Very sick and even Jefferson made me laugh. They were too funny the other. Like it was so sad that they're so problematic, but they were so funny.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Yeah, I was re-watching. No, I remember one time I was watching Jeffrey Star's video, and I was like, dude, you guys could be can't you just be quiet? Like yeah, the thing with Shane Dawson, too, that also ties back into like our earlier topic on how like they would dive into celebrities thing and go back because all his old videos, his black face, his talking about his dogs, and just Jeffree no Jeffree Star's, like Jeffree Star MTV, like that, like when he was really young in high school, it was bad.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

She was canceled.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

Yeah, I watched a documentary on Jeffree Star and the documentary on Jeffree Star. Yeah, it was this girl named Nikki Carrion. Like, she said they do you know the guy from uh Arcade Graniac and they used to just make like a bunch of like brain rot videos, like he has like a bunch of weird audio. I can't like speaking about Mega Bartos.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

You remember he's like, and here's my hair color reveal three, two, and one, it was like the same exact color of her hair remember.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

It was definitely a time to be alive, but yeah. They went through I'm with the documentary of Jeffree Star, and it was like his involvement with these people, these sick people too. Like, he had a band and like it was sick sick, just sick. Yeah, they were horrible, horrible people, I think. The stuff that goes on in Hollywood just game, it's crazy. Check that out.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

And I think that's I think we're gonna wrap it up now. We've been on this for a while.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

How'd you like it? Was it fun? Yeah, it was actually really, really fun. I'm very happy I get to talk about something very passionate about everyone.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Very passionate about the tri the I was about to say, oh my god, I almost said something else. Jefferson's car. I almost said something else completely. I almost said Charlie James instead of James Charles. You're about to say something else. Too much to my friends I don't want to begin. Well, thank you guys so much for listening, and I hope you had a great time this evening to us talk about celebrity drama. And we'll see you on the next one. Bye.