sports mode w. Ryan O'Hara

Liv and Vanessa team up with Ryan O'Hara, award winning sportswriter of @thehockeynews to chat all things sports. 

ps. a little luv and hockey never hurt nobody 

pps. Ryan is a gem of a human and is officially a bestie of lady chirps pod and will be protected at all costs <3 Luv u brethren. 

You can find Ryan's content on Instagram, @roharasports 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hello and welcome to Lady Chirps, the podcast where two HR dropouts turned life commentators, talk sports, love, and all the messy competition in between.

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We've traded employee handbooks for hot takes from hockey rivalries to relationship red flags. This is Lady Chirps where we talk a little smack.

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And a lot of sense. Sponsored by Barefoot. It's only$7.49. That's okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Wendy's Baconator fries. Oh my god. You're on the side.

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No, literally. These tariffs.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Yeah, absolutely.

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Should we cheers?

SPEAKER_03 0:58

We should just cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Absolutely.

unknown 1:01

I can make three cheer.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

There we go.

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Wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

I think my friend would be very impressed with me drinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

You don't drink normally?

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Uh no, no, no. I don't drink normally. Um the same girl that we talked about the other day, um, about the you know, walking past her and hearing her name, blah blah blah. Yeah, I told her that um I'm I'm a lightweight when it comes to drinking, and she asked me, what kind of ir what what kind of Irish are you? But it went over my head, so I t told her the specifically black Irish. Not realizing I was being made fun of.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Should we give her a code name while we talk about her if we do today?

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah, probably. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

And we'll leave out. What are we calling her? Here I'm gonna move it.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

You know, I haven't thought about a code name. What should we come up with? What's a good T name that's not a well actually that kind of thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:55

Is her name Tina?

SPEAKER_00 1:56

No, it's not Tina.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Should we call her Tina? He doesn't like Tina. He doesn't like Tina.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Tina's like my neighbor's mom's name, and she's I've never met like a normal Tina. I never have I think I only know two and they're all kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Oh no, I I'm I'm down, I'm down. We'll we'll we'll just go with it. We'll just roll with it.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

Okay. Sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Why not?

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Whatever you want to talk about. We'll call her something that rhymes. She's gonna be Lisa.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Lisa Lisa.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

Lisa works. Lisa sounds hot. Lisa could be cute.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Yeah. Depending on who it is, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

Tina. I mean, it's hit or miss, I feel like.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Yeah. It's kind of like the avalanche tonight. Did they win? Well, they're they're playing right now. That's what I was watching. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Aw, you can have it up in the background if you want. Oh no, on mute.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

I would I had it, I had it um there because I wrote notes in the first period. Oh, okay. So I I'll be able to.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

I didn't mean to send that live. I was just like Were you supposed to be working tonight?

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Technically, but um because our other guy couldn't do it, so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to do both, which is not not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Yeah. Awesome. Well, thanks for being uh here with us tonight, Ryan.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Of course, the honor's mine.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

We're so excited to have you.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

I'm excited. Well, it was great meeting you guys at breakfast yesterday, too.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

I know, we had so much fun. It was good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

And I I never knew that there was like 10 different bacon flavors, but now I do.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

I know, right? Yeah, how often in your life do you get to have a bacon flight?

SPEAKER_00 3:33

I didn't even know that was a thing.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

You just kind of rhymed there too. I'm I'm on my Dr. Seuss shit today.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

I only know green eggs and ham. That's the only Dr. Seuss novel I I I'm aware of.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

That's all you need to know.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

All right, are we diving into this today, family?

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Well, I think first we'll just say welcome, everyone, to episode four. Episode four of Lady Chirps, which we haven't decided what the title of this is yet. You'll find out when we do.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

We're gonna be chirping, except I'm not a lady, so you're one of the girls today.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

But you're also a man.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

That's true. Yeah, a very hairy one indeed.

SPEAKER_03 4:20

All right, but we will we'll start off by introducing our guests. Usually there's just us two here that live in Vanessa. But you may notice that there's a third person here. So we will let you introduce yourself. Because you know a lot more about you than we do. You never know.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

I don't know. Some people might be spies, but I'm Ryan O'Hare, it's very nice to meet you. Um I'm the site editor for the hockey news on the Colorado Avalanche side. So I work in hockey, I've also worked in boxing, NASCAR, and um all other sorts of sports. I've produced pay-per-view shows, that sort of thing. Nothing too excited. Nothing as good as hockey. Hockey is the pinnacle, so we're in a good spot right now. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Go abs. All right. So Ryan is like normally he's in the locker room with the guys. Like he knows what Landy smells like, and he knows how good Bednar's hair is. Like you've seen that up and up close and personal.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Yeah, it's funny. I'm jealous. My sense of smell doesn't work too well. Oh, but I mean, I can kind of sense like, yeah, there's a smell, and I'm so used to it because I've I I've played I've played most of my life too. But yeah, I definitely can't grow hair like Jared Bednar, though. His hair is pretty cool, and he's so chill, like you know, thing like things happen on the ice, and he's he he responds in like the most nonchalant manner for the most part, and then you have Patrick Waugh looking like he's about to have a heart attack, you know, when things go wrong, and Bednar's just like, eh, it's all good, we'll just get him on the next one.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

I feel like that's what you need in a coach to just be kind of chill and grounded.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

I think it depends. I mean, some guys, like my dad, for example, was my coach for a while, and he was like the you know, Marine Corps style, like whoa, screaming, yeah. A lot of screaming, a lot of militant. Yeah, yeah, that sort of thing. Um, that motivates some players. I think like old school players can really relate to like the old school, like John Tortorello, for instance. Um, you know, he won a Stanley Cup as a coach with the Tampa Bay Lightning in 2004, but in the modern day hockey, John Tortorella is not exactly like a style that most players would get along with per se. Um I I think I would I I prefer any style, but yeah, I think I think in today's game, like Torch, for instance, he wouldn't he wouldn't really fit in. And of course, he he was uh recently the coach of the Flyers, and that was kind of a disaster.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

But why?

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Um he just didn't get along with the players.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Oh, you gotta have good synergy.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Yeah, we were talking about that on one of our past episodes, yeah, how much that changes just whether you're switching out players, coaches, and sometimes it takes a team a while to get it together.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Yeah, you have to have a good connection. You can tell that between especially like McKinnon and Landy, they have a good, and I would even say, like, in the past, Miko and um gosh, Lecky, they all felt so connected with each other when they were playing with each other, and I think that's like really important too.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Absolutely. And I think you know, Miko as of late has become more like Alec Trevelyan from Goldeneye, and you know, he's become you know kind of a militant.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Yeah, I don't know what's going on with him right now. He's getting ejected, suspended.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Mm-hmm. You know, gosh, you know, Dallas Stars fans have been coming at me on on Twitter saying, Well, hey, Landerskar got suspended in 2011, and then he got suspended in 2016. Like, do you guys notice like why your argument makes no sense? We're talking about Miko Renton getting ejected twice in a week, not getting suspended twice in five years. There's kind of a difference. A little bit, you know. I'm not I'm not I'm not a mathematician. I mean, he's been on one. It's like he's been playing NHL 26, turned penalties all the way up, turned his hitting power to 100, and is going on bulldozing the entire field.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Yeah. I know. I wonder what's going on. I feel like, I mean, the stars are a very scrappy team to begin with.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Maybe he's trying to make a name for himself, but at this point, I feel like that's just too that's doing the most.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

I think that's the style of Dallas is being very aggressive. Yeah. So Jamie Ben is very aggressive. Yes. Um, I don't know why it's controversial, but people will say, well, hey, Kale McCarr has been suspended the same amount of times as Jamie Ben. Okay, Jamie Ben has been fined more times than Kale McCarr. So if it if you put like one stat, um, it doesn't tell the whole story.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

But that that that's what happens a lot in the media. They'll tell you just a little bit, you know, just to rile people up. But I don't want to rile people up, I just want to tell them the truth. Like, if you think that Jamie, like Jamie Ben and Kale McCarr being suspended the same amount of times means that Kale McCarr and Ben are uh are on the same wavelength as quote unquote being dirty, you're insane.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Yeah, that's right, that's a reach for sure. But it's not even like it's like a we're so hard on our rivalry team because the stars are a division rivalry. I feel like if McKinnon was doing something like this, we'd be like, what is going on? Yeah, right. You know, it's we're not buying it.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

I'd be calling them out too. I'd be like, hey, you're putting the team in a bad situation. Or I heard from a stars fan, Miko's not not leaving us shorthanded. I'm like, I'm here to tell you when you get a game misconduct twice in a week, that's literally the definition of shorthanded because you're not on the ice.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

To get that synergy that we see the Aves do have, to have that connection with each other. Do you know what they do? Do they do anything special to like do they go out and party together, like have dinners together? Like, what do they do to build that connection with each other?

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Well, um, I haven't been I obviously I don't go around and hang out with them when they're you know doing dinners and whatnot, but I listen to what they say in the locker room. They talk about having team dinners. And obviously, you see the chemistry they have on the ice, they utilize every second that they have um of the ice time that they have because at Family Sports Center, uh, Family Sports Center is also used by high school teams, it's used by the general public. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Yeah, so I go there and um use their driving range a lot.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like their I was there earlier today um at the injured skate session. Oh, cool. So I got to see Gavin Brindley and um Joel Kivaranta was there. He should be coming, he should be coming back soon. Brindley probably got at least a few weeks left, but you know, he was just injured recently.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

And he just followed me on TikTok today. So that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

You're famous.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Uh not really.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

I think you are.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Maybe amongst Dallas Stars fans.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

I mean, I had to block so many of them today because I'm like, it's like I want to have like a regular debate, and it's like, oh, you're this, you're that. I'm like, no, not really, but you know, whatever. Or I got told that I was a DEI hire. I'm like, yes, my Cinnabon.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Oh my gosh, that sounds like Texas.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

My Cinnabon Delight skin totally got me hired. Sorry, guys. Yeah. It's all my fault.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

No, but that's and that's a piece of one of the things that's changed a little bit when it comes to media, is that because it is so interactive now, which is why you get like these widespread opinions that can be kind of based on nothing or a lot of misinformation, but they just get repeated so much and so loudly. So then people they think they're right. Yeah, so they're ready to like rip on you and then can be totally off base. They're not even on topic, and everybody's like, yeah. Or they can at least find someone that will agree with them. Exactly. Like, so it's a whole other I mean, it's good to have like that balance in media, so it's not just like the media just telling people whatever.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

It's nice that people can talk back, but you know, it's like social media is one of the greatest inventions of the world and also one of the worst at the same time. Yes. Um, I mean, yeah, you could literally say something completely wrong, like on purpose, and you'll find one person at least a few people that will agree with you. It kind of blows my mind.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

Yeah, yeah. Pre, well, I guess it wasn't like pre-social media days, but I share with you the love of pranks. And so I was at a camp once when I was in high school, and I decided to make up a word and just keep repeating it and see how many people just wouldn't even question it to the point where other people started saying it. It was reconscripulate, which means absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

And to the point where by the end of the day, someone was like, Okay, so we really are gonna need to reconscripulate before we, you know, get everything together and move everything to the other site. And my friend's like, oh my god, how did you do that? I'm like, because people will just if they think you know what you're talking about, or you just keep repeating something enough, it'll catch on. And it can be absolute nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

That's actually ingenious. I wish I'd well, my pranks are more like silly, but that that's honestly what's no.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

I'm like, I'm probably I'm like, am I who should have gone to intelligent school or not? Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

You would have been better candidate than me.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Because sometimes I'm just like, I just want to see what is going to happen if I do blank the social experiment of it. So for the plot. No, like 18. Yeah. And I was just like, I just want to know. And I'm like, I I promise you, I would just do stuff like that where I would be like, I bet we could carry this out of here, and no one will ask us a question. Why? Because you just have to look like you're supposed to be doing it, and people will just be like, Oh, like people will hold the door for you. But I'm like, that's probably how they got away with that um crap at the Louvre.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

If you I feel like if I feel like it's confidence, if you act super confident, people will believe you. Yeah, they really will.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Which is why I think people say crazier stuff to someone like you online because number one, people get real confident behind that keyboard. Totally. Yeah, because there's not even any way to, you know, F around and find out, really, because they're across the country or the world saying talking their trash. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Or half of them have a fake picture in their profile.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

Oh, yes. My favorite people are the ones who like will attack someone's physical appearance, and they've got like an avatar of like literally.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

And then it turns out they're 315 pounds, like and you're like, really, you're just ripping this person apart, and you know, meanwhile, you know, whatever about your appearance.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

And it's like, I wasn't even planning to like come for you, but why would you do that? Exactly. I remember this one guy was like going off on somebody online, and um, and then people like went to his profile and saw his wife and started making comments. And I was like, Does your wife know this? She's taking strays because you don't know how to act in a comment section. Like, this is terrible. But I couldn't imagine, um, I couldn't imagine being any huge figure like that. Um do players like follow? Do you do they follow? Are there any of them that seem like very invested in like what people are saying about them in the media?

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Honestly, not really. Um, it's probably for the best. I mean, the avalanche are very they're very, I would say they're very nonchalant, they're just very chill.

SPEAKER_03 15:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Um, I haven't seen one player like overreact or even underreact. They're all just great guys to be around.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Um, Gavin Brindley, Gabe Landiscog, Brock Nelson. Nathan McKinnon is probably one of the most introverted people you'll ever run into.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Um, Kale McCarr, same thing. I mean, Nathan, I mean, McKinnon is now ranked second all time in points in in Avalanche franchise history.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Wait, who's first?

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Um, Joe Sagik.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

And you know, McKinnon gave it a you know a mid-game interview and was like, Yeah, you know, when you spend 13 years of it with an organization, that that sort of thing can happen. So he like you know brushed by it and just used it to say, Oh yeah, you know, it's because I've been here for so long. You know, just not even touching the fact that he's a great player.

SPEAKER_03 16:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

So he's just very humble and he just sees this all about business, and I love that.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Yeah, I love whenever I see them, any of the uh Avalanche players being interviewed, they do seem to have like a very chill energy. And that probably is like one of the things that also makes them work well together because there is like a commonality of that that energy amongst them. And they tune out the noise, they do, and they kind of seem like they are able to make fun of themselves and have fun too. So when I see them being interviewed or doing something silly or whatever online, it's either just like very laid back or they're kind of unbothered by it, or they're like willing to like go along with the joke. Like, I haven't really seen them get like too wrapped up in the nonsense on the hype of it. Yeah, but I don't know, you know. I guess maybe that could be different if you were or I'm sure there are some rookies out there that are probably a little bit more shocked by the transition of getting into it. Have you ever seen that um happen? And I guess like maybe with any like a rookie, like um just not fitting in, or not fitting in or like adjusting to like the life.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

I think Zakhar Bardakov, in a sense, but I mean his situation is a little different because he came over from the KHL over the offseason. So he came over from Russia and he said, Yeah, I mean, culture here is way different than in Russia. Um you know, the speed of the NHL is different than the KHL. So yeah, it took him a little uh took it took him a little bit, but he's starting to feel more comfortable. So I was able to speak to him. I didn't know it was my first time talking to him, so I didn't know who the translator was. And I knew that Ilya Solovyov, you know, aka Han Solo, spoke Russian, so I had him be the translator. Nice. Um, but the avalanche told me next time we got to use the translator after. I was like, okay, no big deal.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Like, point him out. Like, put a little hi-my name in so-and-so of the translators. So Ryan knows who it is.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yeah, I mean, I can imitate a Russian accent, but I definitely can't speak it. Yeah, and you may not want to do that so that you don't get uh jumped. Yeah. On your international on your first day in the locker room.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

What you end up saying something that you didn't know meant something super offensive. Yeah. Not not the people you want to mess with.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Yeah, exactly. All right, cool.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

I do wonder though, if in a way haters can be helpful, you know, with like your views and stuff, and then it attracts like abse faithful fans. Oh, it's and then they come to the comments, they show up.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

My account gets shadow banned constantly, and next thing you know, crazy Dallas Stars fan comments, and I got 30,000 hits. I'm like, thanks, dude.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

And I think people don't realize that too online where people are like, yeah, like with ever whatever negative interaction that they're having. I'm like, you realize that all you're doing is just driving traffic. The algorithm, like, unless you're getting reported, the algorithm really doesn't care whether you're, you know, saying this is excellent reporting or calling someone a D.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

I will say, I feel like I'm already buzzed and I'm not even done with this yet. This is awesome. Good. Perfect. That's we captured him into straw weight.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

It's because I drugged it.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Well, I'll I was telling, I was telling that girl the other night. I said um that I'm wait, did I tell her that? I think I told her that I was a straw weight with alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

You know, not a lightweight, but a straw weight, which is actually even lighter than a lightweight. So yeah. That's my excuse.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

I mean, it happens. Everybody can't be me.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

I've been I mean, I feel like the older we get, I don't know. That's where I'm at. The older I get, the less I can drink, and the less I can like recoup the next day. I'm just out.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

I'm out for the count if we go drinking, but I don't really go hardcore at this point in my life, but I don't know if it hasn't changed that much for me. I remember once I was like it was the first time that I was drinking with someone that I was dating, and we had like these shots of tequila, which I like accidentally overpoured. I can't do shots because I forgot like the lines on these cups because they mean things for those of you who are not functional alcoholics. I didn't even know these are no, these are like different things. I was like, oh, so like this is the shot. He was like, No, it's the bottom line, and I was like, Well, here we go. But and I took it and he was like struggling through his, and he was like, You are a little monster.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

I got drunk for the first time last year on my birthday. That was my first.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Wait, when's your birthday?

SPEAKER_00 20:46

September 9th. Same day as after you're a Virgo. I am a Virgo. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

I do love Virgos. I have a soft spot. You guys are very organized, nurturing, detailed, yeah, analytical.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

I'm tragically, I fall tragically in love with Virgos. I am a Pisces sun and a Virgo moon. And that opposition, one, I already have it within me, so that's a rough time. But uh yeah, can't stop, won't stop with Virgo sometimes for me.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

So it's like very analytical, but also very hard on themselves. They're perfectionists. And I think I should stop that. And if anyone does them dirty, done.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

Imagine being a Pisces sun and a Virgo moon so that you're someone that's just like go with the flow, and you know, my head is in the clouds, and I'm a dreamer and intuitive. And the other side of you being like, This has to be, and then this and this, and like locked in, and just it's it is a war.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

What is your moon and rising?

SPEAKER_03 21:49

My my rising is an Aquarius, and my moon is a Virgo. Like Pisces and Virgo are directly opposite. So then that's your like emotions. I guess my sun and moon are directly opposite each other, and it is Pisces already is a sign of duality with the fish swimming in two different directions. So then throw that in there. I'm just having a blast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Sometimes I question sometimes I question horoscopes because if you guys don't know, don't know, oh, Salman bin Laden's horoscope is about peace, and uh he wasn't very peaceful.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

Well, isn't he only one at peace for himself? Yeah, uh I don't know. Yeah, and then you gotta know the rest of the chart and like where he's falling with what everything is because that's the thing though, for some people is that like their definition as what works. Um, they're like, works for me. What do you mean? Like things are going great for me, which is terrible, but like, yeah, to him, he's like, No, this is exactly the way I want it to be. Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

There you go, that might explain everything. Excuse me. This guy's a little strange.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is looking for you. Yeah, so you know, you just never know. But um, yeah, I mean, we so we got to have this conversation with you offline a little bit, but we would love to hear a little bit of how you got into the sports reporting because we know that that's not actually where you started. Liv and I, and I don't know if we dropped this to you, I think we did that we both used to be in HR, left those that career long ago. I didn't even go to school for HR and did like a whole 12, 13-year career in it, went all the way up to the top, had no intentions of doing any of that. Um, so we're always interested in like people's careers and things. And I'm sure there are lots of people who tell you how they could do your job better than you, and all of that, but you have and they have no idea like what you actually do or what it all entails and things like that. But a lot of people are like, How'd this clown get this job? Why don't you tell them how you got this job?

SPEAKER_00 23:53

You know, I have the same question. I don't really know how I made it.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Sometimes we just stumble into things.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Exactly. I mean, it was really interesting. So when I was a kid, my brother was my brother's eight years older than me, and he had a political thing going on in college, and I was at home in elementary school, and I kind of wanted to be like him, so he was doing political things, and so he bought me a microphone and I started broadcasting. So that's how I really got into wow, I got the voice right. Uh-huh. It doesn't sound too bad.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Um you do have the voice for it.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

Yeah. So I went through that for a bit, and I wanted to do that in college, but wasn't exactly allowed to pursue like what I wanted. You know, my parents told me that, you know, you you have to go to this school because it's like basically free, because my dad was the um professor at Embry Riddle at Embry Riddle Aeronautical. So here's the thing I didn't want to be a pilot. I kept telling my dad that I don't want to fly. Like I want to do something else.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

I don't want your dreams, dad. I want my own.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

I want my own dreams. So I mean, obviously, I was still doing side work, so I was doing like NASCAR sidework, so I was covering races, um, you know, occasionally boxing, and then I went to college for Intel because that was the only thing that interested me. One, I'm only half Asian, I was terrible at math, couldn't do engineering, couldn't do meteorology. Um, the other option was chemical engineering, mechanical engineering. I'm not a math guy, so Intel was the only place to go. So I did the Chinese track for a bit.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

What is Intel?

SPEAKER_00 25:29

It's like FBI stuff basically.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

So you do a lot of Intel writing, counterintelligence, learning about war simulations, which all seemed really cool at first because the Bourne movies with Matt Damon were my favorite growing up. They were really, really good. And then I found out in school I didn't really want to work for the FBI, but I got my master's degree just to get it out of the way. And I was still covering NASCAR, then I got really sick of NASCAR, and I started to cover boxing. I was playing for the hockey team at the time, hurt my back, that was the whole thing. So, yeah, so I started covering fights, and my parents didn't really didn't realize at first how serious it was getting. But my mom didn't want me covering boxing, obviously. She wanted me to focus on this. And I knew because I had a friend that was going to ASU at the time, Arizona State University, that was Indian. His name is his name's Pur Top. In fact, I he just visited not a couple weeks ago. And I knew if I told my mom if that was that I was hanging out with him, it'd be just fine. So sometimes I would have to lie and tell her, yeah, I'm going to Phoenix to hang out with the Indian guy. When I was really driving to LA to cover the fight, Asian, it's all good.

SPEAKER_03 26:40

Yeah. You're doing something.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Yeah, I was doing the good thing, but I was really going to Vegas to covering fights. This is when like my location wasn't always known. So I was able to go to Vegas and do my thing. Well, it backfired because it was at the Tyson Fury Deontay Wilder fight, the rematch in Vegas. I was the first fighter to talk to Tyson Fury after he knocked out Wilder in the second fight. Oh, so I was on ESPN. My cousin Ashlyn is at a watch party with her boyfriend watching ESPN and sees her cousin pop up on TV and then texts my mom that I'm on ESPN. And that's how it all blew up. I'm like, no. So I go back to my phone after answering the question. I'm like, why is my phone dinging like crazy? Because the reporter next to me is like, dude, your phone's blowing up. I'm like, and one of the messages was for my mom. Like, um, are you in Vegas right now? I'm like, uh, how did she find out? You can't get anything past parents.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

Original Kiss Cam blows. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, a career kiss cam.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Yeah, so that's how it blew up. So that's when my parents really found out that I was doing boxing, was uh because my cousin um texted her about about the whole ESPN thing.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

How's that cousin doing now? I don't know what they think about. You guys besties. Oh, it's so thought.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

I think it's funny, honestly. I wasn't even mad. I wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 27:59

I feel like that's a good way to come out.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

You know, I know.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

Speaking of Vegas, it's beneficial to get out it.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

Did you watch the F1 race last night? Yeah. Yeah. I think I watched about nine laps.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Yeah. But it's hard to watch F1. I mean, honestly, NASCAR is hard to watch too because the cars are too slow. The playoff system is really confusing. So to regular people, like I I'll ask you this. Like, obviously, the viewers aren't going to answer right away, but if you have the most points at the end of the season and you win, you should be the champion, right? In NASCAR, it doesn't work that way. They have a playoff system because they want to copy every other sport. So it ends up being all this, you know, you're eliminated after this race, eliminated after this race, and at the end you have a final four. So you have four drivers eligible to win the championship, and the winner or the highest finisher at the last race wins. Which means you could win 35 races and still lose.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

So which I hate.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

I feel like I was telling you that. I was like, I had and when do you know when that changed? Like when they started doing it like that?

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Well, they started they started the chase in 2004.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

And so they basically you would get to the final 10 races, they would separate every driver by five points. So the leader had no advantage whatsoever. And so they did that. And then they started adding wild cards because they wanted to be like every other sport, add wild cards. Then they didn't like that, so they added an extra couple drivers, and then they added then they added eliminations. I knew that once they added the chase, that it was only gonna get more weird after a bit. To the point in 2015, a driver that had that didn't even run every race actually ended up winning. So back in that, back in that era, like if you got hurt, for instance, if you broke your leg, you can get like a medical waiver and get into the playoffs. And then this driver ended up winning a bunch of the races and made it to the final round and won that race. And I was like, and and ESPN was like, this is the first time since 1970 that a driver who didn't run all the races won. I'm like, that's not good.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Yeah, no, and I'm like, that means the rules don't make any sense anymore. Like, that's crazy. But yeah, no, because I when I was younger, I used to watch, and then I remember like trying to watch again, like post the change and being like, I was like, what is going on? I was like, how is this person winning? I was like, what the hell happened? Like, my I thought I was like losing my mind, and then I'm like, oh okay, they've changed it and not for the better. No, and now I don't like this.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

So, like Jeff Gordon, for instance, in 2007 would have won the championship under the old format by 352 points. But what happened is that Jimmy Johnson had more wins and during the final 10, and he was actually eighth in the standings at the time because he kept crashing. But at the start of the playoffs, they put him first because he had more wins, even though he really wasn't first. And then both him and Jeff Gordon kept winning, and then at the end, Johnson won more and won the championship. But in reality, he was not actually anywhere close to winning at all. So, yeah, it's and right now NASCAR's in a really bad state. The cars are too slow, they slowed the cars down. It's the the there's too much down force, and then you have leaked technically.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Right, all the regulation compliance. That's like my day job.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Yeah, I feel the um my day job. I work for an electronics distributor. We sponsor the McLaren cars for F1. That is awesome. Yeah, so they won like third, or no, second last night, maybe. Yeah, third or second and fourth.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Yeah, and then uh Verstappen ended up winning.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

I feel like he always wins, is what I heard. I mean that was my first time watching F1 last night, so I'm not even gonna pretend.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

But no, you're good. Well, I mean, honestly, he's won the last four championships, but this year it's kind of been up and down, but now he's like catching back up to Lando. And Lando overdrove the first corner last night, so we ended up losing. But Lando does that a lot. But um, you know, we got a few races left. I think there's still a chance. You know, if Verstappen wins every race from this point on, and if Lando finishes below a certain threshold, then uh Max might win his fifth in a row, and that would that would be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

I think that would be cool for him.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Love it.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

So I interrupted your story though.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Oh no, you're good. Honestly, I am buzzed. Like I'm not sure. Are you okay? I'm totally okay. I'm such a lightweight.

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Uh I kind of want more. You want to take a break for a sec?

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Oh no, I'm yeah, I mean that works too. I'm totally good with drinking more, too. Honestly. We should finish the bottle. Like there's only a little bit left.

SPEAKER_03 32:48

I supported. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Well, the Avalanche scored in the second period. Okay. Cale McCarr scored, so that's good.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

Did you watch the break game?

SPEAKER_00 32:57

I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

I think I entered the chat in the second period.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Oh goodness.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

And they got two empty netters.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Yeah, was it um who scored the empty netters? Um I think McKinnon and McKinnon and maybe Brock, I don't remember now. Yeah, it was Brock Nelson, I think.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

I am gonna transition us from uh to something spicy. Yeah, even more. Especially now that we've gotten uh Ryan Tibsy is perfect time. Oh my god. I'm gonna get canceled for this.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

Oh my gosh. Like, great, get him. It'll get us now it's time.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

All right.

unknown 33:44

We are back, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_03 33:46

Perfect. So the things that we generally will hit on here, we usually we almost always start off talking sports and talking about just like what's going on right now or things that have popped up that are on our minds and things like that. And while we're getting to know our audience, we definitely know that one, I think there are a lot of women that are getting into some sports for the first time, especially hockey. There's this whole um viral trend going on and memes about the boy aquarium, which is what they're calling. Yeah, going to the hockey ring. Uh the hockey rink is the uh the boy aquarium. And so even just like that going viral is causing people who I know who have never in their lives like paid attention to hockey, paid any attention to hockey. Yeah, um, because I've had like friends of mine that I'm like, okay, yeah, this is like catching on all the way over here to like this person. And so, and and kind of and vice versa, because there are some guys who like maybe something else has always been their sport, like it's always been basketball or football or baseball or whatever, even. And now their girlfriends are like, let's go, let's go to the hockey game because they're trying to go. The girlies are getting into aquarium, and they may or the boyfriends may or may not know why their girlfriends are suddenly interested in going. Because I even like recently went on a date with someone who definitely like has like sports knowledge and knew a bit about hockey, but was like asking me a couple of questions, and I was like, a boss because I was answering too. Yeah, I love it. I mean, like, even simple stuff where he was like, wait, and I'm like, no, it's three periods for hockey, you know. Like, and just like this from the simple stuff to like answering like some of the stuff that was going on. But he's saying quarters too. I think he might just like I love it, but it was and it's funny because I'm like, this is the one who like actually is an athlete in their spare time, yeah. Literally, like someone like win stuff, and it's but it just might not be their sport, yeah. And so one of the things that because we're gonna um add into these episodes like going forward, little like um what did I call them?

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Getting hooked, getting hooked, like how to aka hockey 101, basketball 101 things or explaining like little stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

And so if you are new to in terms of like being like new to like watching hockey, like what is something that you would recommend to like people who are like just getting into it for the first time? Like, do you recommend they just go to games and observe?

SPEAKER_02 36:19

Like, I recommend sports people, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

I don't know, like get them into it or have them feel like they can start understanding.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Yeah, what I did is um my first NHL video game was NHL 99 on Nintendo 64. You know, I think times are a little different now with how the games are made, but honestly, you can learn a lot from the games. Now, ignore the fact that EA has a lot of weird like glitches that happen where thing weird things happen. In fact, when NHL 26 was launched, Kale McCar had the wrong facial hair. He actually has facial hair? Well, during the playoffs, he can grow facial hair. Yeah, but they put Val Nechushkin's facial hair on Kale Makar. Oh my god. So I was joking with my friend Alex. I was like, why does Kale McCart look like Vladimir Lenin? Like, this does not look right at all. So yeah, that's the graphics, the pixels. Absolutely. That's just EA, honestly. Um, Angry Joe on YouTube, his videos are absolutely hilarious with all the EA glitches. Like, if you want to watch EA glitches, just go watch his YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

I'm gonna make a note to self-EA glitches. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Maybe we'll like highlight some of the best ones, or you can go to a game, you know, a regular NHL game, or even like a local game. So maybe a high school team. I don't know if you're into that or not, but you could try that. Because if you go straight into an NHL game, the speed of the NHL is way different than that, say the KHO, the AHL. Um, but yeah, hockey's been a big part of my life since I was like six years old. So I'm in fact I'm wearing my college jersey right now.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

Yeah. Um, and that was that was one of the things we were talking about. Was that that might have been like episode one where we were I was saying that one of the things that made me because I have five brothers, so like obviously it was unavoidable for me growing up being like exposed to sports, whether I wanted to or not. But then when I was just after college, one of the first jobs was like the second job that I had, because I used to work in media, was as a production assistant at a in North Carolina, in Newburn. We were talking about that where you were born. Yeah. Um birthplace of Ryan, also the birthplace of Pepsi. They like to tell you that a lot. Fun fact. I didn't even know that. That's crazy. There's I used to live right next to the where they literally made the original like Pepsi recipes. I mean, you can imagine it if you're Newborn, Newburn, North, North Carolina. That that's probably something you're gonna say a lot because what else is your claim to say?

SPEAKER_01 38:43

That is true.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

People don't even know that that town exists. Um, it's very cute, very beautiful, lots of bears, as we talked about in the bear statues, but just a lot of college football. And so we would watch and we had the blitz, and it was a whole segment that one of our reporters would do and like show like all the highlights and all these things, and like watching so much college football or seeing all the coverage, especially from like southern college football teams. And I was like, Well, this is actually interesting because it's really competitive and you get drawn in. And so I think that that's like great advice as far as like go to some of the games that are like high school, college, um, like you said, playing the game so that you kind of get forced to learn like rules or how things work. Um, because I think that that's the biggest thing for a lot of people of their like the thing that's holding them back really with trying anything new, but specifically with sports, is just being like, Well, I don't know, and I feel overwhelmed that there's so many rules or this is so different than that. Um, and so a lot of people are just like resistant or like nervous that they're gonna look stupid or whatever, going to something new. And like some people that you go with kind of make you feel like that. Whereas, like I said, I'm like, I wasn't like quarters, it's ridiculous. Because I'm like a lot of games. Are in quarters, so it's not like a crazy thing to think. I'm like, it's three, not four. It's not like it's something insane. So I'm like, oh no, yeah. I'm like, there's three periods. Like, I didn't have to be a douchebag about it.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

But yeah, I'm like, so yes, maybe choose who you go with.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Um, I my daughter, her first like games that she went to for hockey, and now she's like gone down the rabbit hole completely. She's obsessed. That's it. But it was like the preseason games because it was like, if you had a question or you're watching, or whatever, it's an opportunity that if you're with someone, like you could ask questions. And maybe they're not gonna be like as you know, they're probably not betting on it or whatever, or they're not like shh, you know, like don't talk to me while I'm watching the game or whatever. So, you know, opportunities for people to learn. But I think those are like great, like simple things that are non-scary for people to just like dive in and try it out.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

And I even just got into it from the guy I'm dating, he's like a he's a I mean, every sport, but hockey is like his top. And so going to the games and he also introduced me to DraftKings at the time at the same time. There you go. So, like, that's how you lit learn what to look out for. It's like it helped me. I don't know. Like, if I'm gonna watch sports, I want to make money doing it, and I I bet small, I don't, I'm not like crazy or anything, but then I mean, like, it just grew from there, the obsession. And then last year, like I think my favorite memory in sports, or just like getting into hockey period, is I have a niece Violet, she's three, just turned three years old, and so last year we got to watch the first blues game of the season, and it was against the Kroken, and that's when the new female coach came out for Seattle Kroken, and so we got to watch that as like a woman in sports.

SPEAKER_00 41:47

Yeah, she'll probably remember that.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

But she's also she's an abs fan. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

And now the old Kraken coach is now our assistant, Dave Haxtall.

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Oh, cool, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

So did she move up then? The oh gosh, I'm drawing on her name. Should probably figure that out. Jessica, something?

SPEAKER_00 42:05

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

Yeah. Did she move up to head coach then?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

I don't think she's the head coach, but I think she's the assistant. Yeah. Yeah. She's I think she might be the first assistant in the NHL.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

Yeah, I think that's pretty dope.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

Then I got to see um professional women's hockey league. The PW their little tour this year.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

I was at the I was at the game last year. Yeah, yeah. That's where I met I met one of my best friends at that game. Like we had known each other forever. And she bought me a ticket to hang out, and I fell asleep. And then I woke up and I needed to take an Uber, and I made I got in my like I stood right in my section. Were you drinking? As the puck driver. No, I actually wasn't. I actually wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

I worked like a give me falling asleep watching women's sports. Yeah, Ryan.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

I fell asleep at my house and I had to take an Uber there. But yeah, I had a great time. Gotcha. It was the Benadryl.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Oh no. That tracks. Okay. So it's coming. It's hockey is up and coming, and it's here, baby. And we are, we want to learn it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

I'm all for it. Yeah. And I think that like as a tip to um the guys, because we kind of have like a split following at this point, and I hope that it continues to be that way. Because I think that that's just that's awesome. And I think like even for like the interaction amongst people that follow and things like that. But let you know, I'm like, if you're into something, like bring the people in your life along, you know.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Yeah. Spread the love.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Spread the love. And then, like, then you don't, I mean, they don't have to go to everything with you, but like, then you've got like a buddy to like go and do the things with.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Oh, my niece is obsessed with it. We would like, we would also wrestle while there was hockey on. That's awesome. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Yeah. I'm like, I can get Ava to come to any game ever. When she was sick, she was just like, oh man, I can't make it. She's like dying. She's like, oh, I can't go to the game. But I'm like, that's great because now, because I get lots of like, you know, free stuff or discounted stuff like through my job and things like that. But um, yeah, I'm like, share. It and don't, you know. I mean, like, if you want it to just be your thing, like, cool, whatever, fine. But you'd be surprised how you could definitely pull someone in definitely to the toilet. You know, yeah. And it's not so hard. I think I think it's not as hard as we sometimes uh might think that it is. All right. So well, one, I definitely as an interlude, maybe before I ask you anything else, um, I would love to play the little game of describing why your lit last relationship ended in hockey terms.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

In hockey terms. Yes. Um, that's a good boy. I gotta think about this one. I would say locker room disagreements.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

Yeah. Oof.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

Yeah, just didn't see eye to eye, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

Yeah. So we'll go with that. It's kind of like uh JT Miller and Elias um Peterson from the Vancouver Canucks. They just uh didn't get along and one of them had to be one of them had to be traded, and so JT Miller was the one, and now he's the captain of the Rangers.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

We were talking about that. Like, man, what if you got traded in real life and it was like so? I mean, you do kind of sometimes do, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

But you can always get traded back to your home team too. You can.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Yeah, or you could uh just come full circle, or you could reunite, you get back together totally if that's for better or for worse.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Are you looking into the camera, looking at her, wanting to get back together?

SPEAKER_00 45:28

Is that what bangs makes directly? I'm trying to like connect with the viewers too. I'm like, I got it.

SPEAKER_02 45:35

I know. Um I want to say mine was I was a free agent, and we just could not kind of like ranting, we could not agree on a contract.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

Yeah, so you you wanted too much money.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

I am I was worth a little bit too more, too much more than uh was being offered, and so played on another team for a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

But you don't have the accent like it was very emotional, you know.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Yeah, it was very emotional, it was emotional.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

It was very emotional, yeah, but you know, yeah, we had we had to make we had to make the sacrifice, we did, you know.

SPEAKER_03 46:13

This uh I let so I gave Chat GPT some information, yeah, and let it like give descriptions and I was like, I love that. It gave me like a nice version and like a roast version, yeah. It's like he wasn't a bad guy, just permanently stuck on questionable to return. Like every day was game time. Uh never made injury. And the funny thing is, like I write too, so I've also like taught it my voice as well. So I'm like, this is hilarious because this is like stuff that I would say. It's like like every game time, like every day was a game time decision he never made. But um the final score that it gave was blank had potential, but potential doesn't win games. He was out here acting like a preseason tryout while we were offering him a spot on the first not your fault he decided to dump the puck instead of actually skating with you. He can sit in the locker room and figure out why he's always almost the man you need. You you're headed for a whole roster upgrade.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Oh no, yeah, your chat GPT is spicy.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

That's uh that's on fire. That is, but I've given it like my things that I've written and things like that, so it like then kicks things back to me. That's very much and I'm like very much exactly how we write this. That's crazy, but yeah, that's hilarious. So bam chirps were made tonight.

SPEAKER_00 47:37

That's that's that's literally what Lady Chirps is about.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Literally, Lady Chirps right there. Yeah. If I had acrylic nails on right now, I would do the little clickety-clack.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Or do the salt bay. Yeah, salt.

unknown 47:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

Um, but I do yeah, and and then another game that I uh wanted to play with you, which is the um what is it? The is it a dating term or a hockey term?

SPEAKER_00 48:05

Oh boy, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Dating terms or hockey terms. I'm just gonna pick random ones from the list and we'll see, because I'm sure that you've heard lots.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

Maybe. You know, I'm actually I'm I'm kind of interesting because I remember I when I was in video production as a kid. Um, there was a high school class, but you were only allowed to be a junior or senior, but they allowed me in because I had experience before. We went to state, and then after we placed, we went to Hooters and I ordered milk at Hooters and got laughed at because I didn't understand why they were laughing that I ordered milk at Hooters, and it took me years to figure out.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

Mommy's Milkies?

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Yeah, I didn't know. And then my first my first role. Oh my god, my first role with an agency was the uh host at a bikini contest. I was like, life has come full circle. I went not knowing what a Hooters joke was to being the host of the Hooter contest.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

Wow, you amazing.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

Yeah, you're the man.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

Ta-da!

SPEAKER_03 49:04

All right, yeah. I feel like some of these have crossover for sure. There we go. Here we go. So that's fun. Here goes nothing. All right. Free agent.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

What am I supposed to say to that?

SPEAKER_03 49:19

I'm like, you're you're supposed to call out whether or not it is a free agent. Dating term or hard. Or both. Or it could be both, honestly. It's certainly, I'm gonna say that that is correct. Yeah. Because for one, like free agent, just like you're single, or you're up for grabs in general.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

So I kind of like that term for dating now.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

Uh yeah, I use it for myself. Good. I'm glad you do. You are a free agent.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

I've never used it, but here we go. I guess I'm a free agent.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

Some with some complications and respond.

SPEAKER_03 49:53

Wing history.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

Hello there.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

What's your suspension history? Um hat trick.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

Hat trick. Um, oh god. I mean, that could definitely that technically could be a dating term.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

Have you had a dating hat trick?

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Um, no.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Um three girls have one. Like, what would that be?

SPEAKER_00 50:14

I mean, technically a two-trick, but I I didn't think about it that way at the time.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

Yes, of course. You're a gentleman. You're a gentleman.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

Yeah, I try to be. But yeah, um, that could be both, I think.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

Yeah. We have it as well, generally as a sports term, but that's I think that's the best thing about these, is that like they can't cross over. Because you know, for those that don't know, um three goals, someone who succeeds three times in sports in a single game. But of course, yeah, sure, we could have a crossover. Um, how about soft launching?

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Soft launching. I don't even know. I I've only heard soft launch in business terms, so I think that's just a sports term. I wouldn't know.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

This one has become a very popular dating term.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Oh, I did not know.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

And so basically, that was like the first episode. What's funny is that my soft launch was sports related with my last relationship. Oh, yeah. I was telling you about this earlier. I went to a hockey game with my boyfriend at the time, or we weren't even together yet. It was like one of our like first several dates in the first like few months of us dating. And I didn't post it like on my social media, but it was in my story. And I was doing these like at the end of the month recap things, and I included it as like one of the mini pictures that was like my end of February 2025, like recap. So here it was amongst all these other things. So it wasn't like by itself, and it wasn't like a post, but it was in my story, and it was included in the recap. So it was like if you were paying attention, you'd catch it, and that's kind of how a soft launch is. It's like I'm putting out the little like teaser of here so and so. Here's a little mystery, and I had somebody lose it over that soft launch, like straight get so mad, and I was not like seeing it. I literally this is and I don't usually do this. We talked about how like I usually, when I first start dating, like going on dates do not do that exclusively, but from the day that I went on my first date with this person, I just stopped seeing anybody else, and like I mean, it's a good story. And so did they, and then we just like proceeded forward, yeah, and so kind of always talked about our relationship as having like started basically from the day that we went on our first date, even though like we made it official, like literally, like exactly three months later. But the soft launch was this picture of us at a devil's avalanche game, yeah, which is interesting because now they're like yeah, they're like top three, right? They're battling it out, and so um, but yeah, so that's the soft launch. Your hard launch would be changing that relationship status and like posting the picture of like you and so-and-so, where it's like very clear that that's your partner, that's your person. That makes sense. So, yeah, the soft launch, the hard launch. So, I guess I've had a soft launch at one point, and then it became a no launch, but it happens, and that's why you soft launch because then you could be because for me, it's like, oh, that was in my story. Like, so that was like no win and overtime. You people who pay attention to to what's going on in my life are like, who is that? Who's that? Because they know I don't post anybody. I think you embodied. I totally caught it. You DM me, Adriana DM me, like who that bitch. Who's that? Who's that? You do you do not? Yeah. So I'm like those memes that are like, if you see a man, if you see me post a man, like I'm being held hostage. Like, no point, this is like it's at dumb point, like, but you know, not in that situation. All right, I got another one. Um, a healthy scratch. Oh, goodness.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Oh, is it a hockey term? Sounds like a crossover. I mean, it could be a crossover, I don't know, but it's definitely a hockey term, but I've never heard it used.

SPEAKER_02 54:06

Wait, what does it mean in hockey?

SPEAKER_00 54:07

So basically it's like if you're let's say you're you're injured, right? You can't play, that's a scratch. You're scratched from the lineup. It means that um you're basically not playing. Now, let's say you're healthy to play, but they don't have you in the lineup, that's a healthy scratch. Okay. So you're just at you're basically a bench warmer, or I guess a locker room warmer. But if you're in a if you're in a poly relationship, I can imagine you can be a healthy scratch, technically.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Yeah, even in a like hetero.

SPEAKER_00 54:34

Yeah, like you're gonna be a bench warmer. You're fine, but you're just brought up whenever it's convenient.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

Yeah, you're bench, which is that cool.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Life is different, I guess, nowadays. You know, I usually I mean in my world, I usually just like focus on one person, but I've noticed that there's a lot of people that just like well, Colorado.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

We talked about that in our first episode. We're like poly here is like very it's a thing.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

Oh, yeah, it is a thing. I know I know several people that I accidentally found out, I don't know, and never asked, but it just came out like I know.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

There is something about me that like from the time that I was a teenager, I'm like, do I give something off that says invite me in?

SPEAKER_02 55:15

Invite me into your husband and wife situation.

SPEAKER_03 55:19

Yeah, yeah. Put me in, coach. No, like I'm not asking for I'm not asking for this, but just constantly being like offered, and I'm like, do I just seem like I want to?

SPEAKER_00 55:31

No.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

Um, like, what is this? But I'm like, I think also people just shoot whatever shots they're they're like, ah, as well try.

SPEAKER_00 55:37

Sometimes I wish I had that because that whole situation with this is funny. It's time we break we bring this up. So last year. Yeah, so last year there was a girl that walked in my neighborhood. Um, I was walking my dog. She was on her phone leaving a voicemail for someone and announced her name. So I took down her name and remembered that name.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

This is the most beautiful name you've ever heard.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

The most beautiful name and person I've ever seen in my life. And she was on the phone, so I didn't really want to you know go up and interrupt her. But yeah, so I remember her name, followed her on Instagram probably months later, and it wasn't even it was yesterday. She asked um how I found her on Instagram because we don't have any mutuals, but we do have a mutual that has nothing to do with it, right? So I told her the truth. I'm like, no, that girl you follow is like a girl I went to college with, and she was like, Yeah, I just follow her because she flies and she's a pilot. And my dad was actually the other girl's professor.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

She's a lady pilot, she's a lady pilot. I love that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:39

That's cool. So I've been slowly like liking her stories and messaging her, like, oh yeah, totally agree. And we've been we've been talking in the last few days. Then finally, yesterday, she was like, So I have a question for you. How did you find me? And so I told her what happened with the real story. I was like, I was walking my dog, you walked past me. Um, I heard you leave a voicemail, and you're you said your name, I memorized your name, I followed you in Instagram, and I was like, She's either gonna be really creeped out or she's gonna be like mad that I didn't say something. Or impressed. Oh, she thought it was adorable. She's like, so you thought that, and you're so glad it went that way for you. Me too. I was scared crap as it was gonna go right. Um, but yeah, so now I gotta make it up somehow. So because they're from a certain state, I went I contacted my hockey website to be like, hey, I have a great idea. How about I I cover this game in this city at this time? And so if he wanted to, he would. I'm gonna get her tickets and her friend. And I asked her so cute. I asked her the day before what her favorite flower was because obviously I'm gonna give her flowers when I'm there. A gentleman again. Yeah, I'm trying.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

I'm making breaking the fourth wall and just being like men, take notes. No, but that's the thing, though. We were talking about this earlier, that like if if you are creepy about things, then it's going to come off creepy. Oh, it's gonna come off bad if you come, but if you one, don't reveal like everything that you might have done to try to like connect with this person, but then like deliver. Yeah, like follow through with like making it worth this person's while, continue to be like, you know, kind, show up, like showing interest, like the flowers, all of these kinds of things. Like, yeah, and also, I mean, like, it depends on who does this. Like, if you are cute, at least to that person, you're probably gonna be like a lot less. Well, number one, they're gonna be less creeped out because they're be like, you know, which is why, like, everybody was all like loving Joe from you. People were like, he's so invested in her in her career in season one. I was like, y'all, he's crazy. What are what are you talking about? But yeah, some people are just like, Oh, if I can like get on board, but there's that aspect of it, but then it's like it kind of however you meet someone, it depends on what you do with it after that. Yeah, because you can meet someone in a winning situation and screw that thing up with the way you follow it through afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 59:10

That is true. So so far, I did I did kind of like say so gosh, this is so silly, but um, I kind of probably gave it up because I was like, hey, because I know she's a pilot, so I was asking how many hours like required hours she has, and was kind of looking up jobs in Colorado. Probably gave it away. Um, but yeah, so she doesn't have the required hours, so I came up with another idea. So I probably I probably figured it out from there, but I didn't I wasn't like weird about it.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

But do you know me from where I used to be?

SPEAKER_00 59:43

Yeah. Oh, it turns out you live behind my house. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

I was watching it in the same intersection. How strange. But I told you that like recently I went out with someone that like I realized I met them now. I can't blame them for this because I walked over. Over to him not trying to hit on him, but I just was like, I don't know, for whatever reason, was compelled to go over and like start having a conversation. And then when I was like, Oh, what's your name? And he said it, and I was like, That sounds familiar, very unique name. And I go and I was like, Hold on. I open up Facebook, start typing in what I'm like, do I even know how to spell this? And it comes up. We've been Facebook friends for three years. So I'm like, you and I'm like, he added me, but I'm like, I don't remember why. Perhaps it was a similar situation. I'm like, did you were we on a street corner or my name or whatever it was? But I'm like, doesn't matter at this point. Cause now I've already like, you know, batted it back.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

So the funniest thing is how we ended up talking more is the fact I made a joke. I mean, it was a joke, but it wasn't a joke. Like I said, she made a status about food, and I was like, Yeah, as long as it doesn't have nuts, I'm good. Ha ha. And she was like, wait, why did you say that? And I was like, Oh, I'm allergic. She goes, Oh, I'm allergic too. So that's how it all started. Adorable! I love that. So I was like, as long as it's not, this is not a Romeo and Juliet thing, I won't have to worry about getting poisoned.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Oh, cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

Well, I'm gonna cut for you. I'm gonna throw a few more of these at you.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

Ooh. Icing.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

Oh god. Yeah, I mean, that could be used as both. Now come to think of it. This is my favorite thing about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

How would it be translated to dating?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:28

Um for those who don't know, yeah, with icing. So it's basically like you're like hitting the puck too far. You're like trying to avoid pressure. You're like trying to, you're like you're taking it out of your zone. You're out of your zone, like all the way out of your zone. Um and no one touches it until you're you're kind of trying to cheat the you're like you're like trying to cheat the system a little bit with that. But um, and we will in our like little hockey one-on-one that we're gonna do. Oh, I got you covered. I got some nice graphics and things created for us for this. So you'll you'll get a little one-on-one and you'll see what some of these like little basics are. But in dating, it would I think it would be like ghosting, you know, in a sense, yeah. Could be. Yeah, you'd be like getting ice, like if somebody said icing out, that's what I would think. It's like you're getting like because you're getting booted out, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

And ghosting is ice cold.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

Yeah, someone's like icing you out, they're like slowly freezing you out. Yeah, so that's a good one. Um, how about you know what's funny? I'm like, there's I just as I was scrolling down to like pick something else, I'm like blocking literally that one. That's a both. What about cross-checking?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

Definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:33

I'm like, that's a both.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

I mean, cross-checking, definitely. If you're dealing with like one guy and you knock him out, right? You knock him out of the way. I I guess you can cross-check him.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

Hit him across the numbers.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

Yeah, yeah. What about um let's see? Bread crumbing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

I've never even heard that term in my life.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:54

So to teach you, and also don't do this, especially not to not to our girly that you're bringing the the favorite flowers to. Yeah. Um, yeah, exactly. We're like Tina, Lisa. We keep making up names. Just so you know, Tina slash um Lisa, there aren't like all these other people. They're all code names for you. So don't be, don't, don't, don't be worried. Um, it's all you. You'll recognize yourself from the storyline. But bread crumbing is basically like giving person a person like little small drops of attention, or where you're just like keeping them on the hook, you know, for a little while. You're like, you're not sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

Yeah, they're like a bench warmer, and the coach is like just giving them enough to keep hanging on.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:38

Yeah, yeah. It's like you don't really engage in a long conversation, but you're like, you respond a little, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

I'm the type of person that like talk, I feel like I talk too much at times. I put too much detail. I'm like, oh geez.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:51

That's kind of like no, you're like my twin in a lot of ways. I'm like, I gotta chill.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:56

Yeah, I gotta relax. It's either I don't say much or I just say or I put like a whole like paragraph, you know, depending on what the story is.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

Yeah. And here's the thing about like the paragraph, all the things that you can do wrong if somebody likes you and you really can't do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, because the reality is that like a paragraph, if you were to take a pair, what looks like a paragraph in a text message and throw it into like a word doc, a Google doc, it's like one to two lines. It looks crazy in a text. So you're really not going to town with that. But like we've all been like, you only hate a paragraph from somebody you don't want to hear from exactly. Well, she hasn't left.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

I don't like a paragraph. I don't like a paragraph.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

Well, no, because you start feeling overwhelmed, especially like on your little phone, because you're expecting to get like little, you know, tidbits and bite-sized things in a text message, but it just kind of depends. I guess it depends on who you get it from. Totally.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:50

If it's from weirdo, then you're like, uh, but if it's from someone you like, then I guess it's good. And she hasn't like left me hanging. I mean, we texted not too long ago. So I think I'm okay. Lipscare. I think I'm alright. Also slightly. Also slightly under the influence, but you know, that's okay. Like I like I told her, I'm it sounds like she's hooked. Possibly? I mean, I'm not really sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:17

We'll find out after this goes live.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

I mean, from in February, when I go out and do my job and say, hey, nice to meet you and your friend. That's a flex.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

Not gonna lie. It's a flex.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:31

Good job, sir. No, I always tell people like if you're talking to someone that's long distance, especially for women, um, I don't know. I can't remember who it was that I was just saying this to. I'm like, is that person gonna come see you, or is it just you willing to go see them? Like, especially for you being the person shooting the shot. Going is everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

I did tell her that Wayne Gretzky once said that you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:01

I was gonna come to this podcast tonight with that quote, actually. Well, there you go. Wow, so that's a synchronicity.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:07

Yeah. And remember, I told you the person that I'm like was literally the last person that I was talking to before I got into a relationship, like, texted me last night and this morning, and I was like, Whoa, um, first of all, another term, we'll just give that one to you, Delulu. Like, but I'm like, why would you even do such a thing? That's crazy. But it's that, it's just that whole like number one, like shooting shots. But I had told this person when they first like shot their shot at me, I said, Hey, close mouths, don't get fed. And it's very much a similar concept of like, look, if you want something, shoot your shot. Because if you don't shoot it, you're definitely not gonna make it. I mean you score nothing by shooting.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

You gotta go for the wrist shot because slap shots, you it's either perfect or it's not. Slap shots are actually they're harder, but they're less accurate. So if you really want to just like it's like kind of like Floyd Mayweather with that counter shot, bam, go for the wrist.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:05

Yeah, I'm like dilute, but you know what though? I I gotta give them props, even though I'm like delusional in 2025. Um, I'm gonna give you props for trying because I did say a year ago, close mouths, don't get fed. So he was like, Hey, I remember what she said. I'm gonna try to shoot this shot again. Crazy. Love that, however, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

It's all about timing too.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:28

So he was good like in Red Dead Redemptionville back in the 1700s, like, hey girl, it's my time.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:34

It's funny that you said 1700s because he is older. I'm just kidding. Yeah, he's important in the 1700s. That's so rude. I like the red deads. That's exactly why you shouldn't be trying game. What are you doing? I'm so rude.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:47

I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:49

But um, yeah, uh, let's see. I'll I'll shoot one more at you. Let's do it. All right. Rookie mistake.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

No, oh man. Like a rookie mistake for me, or like a rookie mistake for what?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:02

Like as a term, like, do you think we're weak? Are we dating? Is it hockey? Is it sports in general? Oh, a rookie mistake. Oh, sorry. I was thinking I forgot what we were getting. But also, yes, please tell us a rookie mistake.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

Oh, yeah, we can do that too. Um this is not even with dating. It's like you you hear their you hear the person. This is not even like a dating example, but in college, this girl was introducing herself to me, and I heard malaria, and I forgot that malaria was a disease for half a second.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

It's like a machete disease.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:34

Yeah, it's like, hey, it's nice to meet you, malaria. She's like, It's malaria, no malaria.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

Oh my gosh, it's so good. Yeah, I was about to say, isn't that like a whole tribe of people? But guess what?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:47

We still ended up becoming besties. We still talk all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

Yeah, I'm like, this is that like nerdy is. Do you call her Val?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

I no, I don't. In fact, uh calls her malaria.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:57

Mary.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:58

I don't even call her Val. In fact, I don't think I've even like called her a specific thing at all. We just talk. Just hey, yeah, hey, what's up?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:07

I'm like the the ADHD and me and also the nerd just wants everybody to know that um if you know what sickle cell anemia is, it actually is like a human mutation that um is basically like an evolution to like combat malaria, yeah, which is why it like is specific to people of African descent, because that's like where that's common. Um, but yeah, that's a thing. So sickle cell anemia, terrible to have, but it is something that happens that like an evolution and like a mutation to combat that. Thank goodness Valeria was white, because if she wasn't, I would be in the no, literally, I was thinking that I was like, please tell me that malaria was that would have been real bad, and worse if she was more like directly of African descent.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:56

We took a selfie together at graduation, they were good. Um, you know, her dad her dad, I think, might have been from Ukraine, didn't have much personality. That guy was massively tall.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:07

Yeah, he'd squish you. He's going to crutch you.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:13

You just said hi to me, but I don't know who you are, man. And we're all getting canceled for these accents.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:18

I can't stop myself. But yeah, I think those are fantastic rookie mistakes. Liv, have you ever made a rookie mistake? In work or in dating? God, of course. Can you think of one?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

A rookie mistake in dating. Yeah, probably just like leaving my team to test out another team for a sec and then coming back to my team was pretty embarrassing. So yeah, no. Yeah, probably a rookie mistake. Should have stayed loyal.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:53

I think I did the same thing at one point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:56

We all learn.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:57

I forgot what their name was. It was a long time ago. Yeah. I've been trying to erase memories from my head.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:04

That's good. We should erase the bat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:07

No, literally, like seriously, it's I'd be talking my manifestation BS on here, but I was telling Liv earlier that I kept saying that I wanted to go back in time. And this is my fault that I have all these people from the past out of nowhere reaching back out. I'm like, I literally have gone back to the day before that I like got into the relationship. But I'm like, and that's my bad, because I'm conjuring all of these people up and they're showing up. So if whether you believe in that stuff or not, why on earth would because you can't go back? You know, you depends on the situation.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:41

It does depend on the situation, but for the most part, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:45

Run. No, it like dep again, like you have to be willing to like go back and do over as opposed to like go back and think you're gonna jump right back into whatever you were doing before. That's usually a mistake.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

There's more ingredients, and they usually cause you to be itchy.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:01

Yeah, and I did. I had to, I went back, I started on the fourth line, and I'm working my way up. So, you know, we all live and we learn.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:08

No, that's and you kind of have to rebuild when you're like, my bad, I went over there and I'm back.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:12

Yeah, the contract is actually better. I thought the grass was greater.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:16

Now you're on the San Jose Sharks. You got Maclin Celebrini in your team.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:23

What a great podcast episode. Oh my god. Thank you so much, Ryan. Everyone, thank you. Yeah, thank you, Vanessa. Plug your stuff. Please go follow Ryan at Rohara Sports on Instagram. Or did I get there?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:39

Rojera or R Oh'Hara. It doesn't even matter.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

I mean, I've been calling you Rohera.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:42

That works. Rohera works. Just roll it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

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SPEAKER_03 1:12:46

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SPEAKER_02 1:12:53

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SPEAKER_00 1:13:05

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SPEAKER_03 1:13:07

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