Let's talk RYSA local soccer club, Wimauma Warriors, referees, and more!

Teacher, Soccer Coach and Referee, Mr. Perez, joins the WW Crew on Ep. 8.

Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:04

Awesome. Alright, let's let's uh get closer to the mic. You can adjust the stand if you can, but the the closer you can get the better.

SPEAKER_06 0:10

Acércale, producer.

SPEAKER_05 0:12

Pinche mic wave, I gotta do everything right there.

SPEAKER_08 0:18

I don't know what to do with my hands though, bro.

unknown 0:22

Right. They're perfect.

SPEAKER_05 0:24

No, it's because he only adjusts mine. He only adjusts Jose. No matter what I mean.

SPEAKER_06 0:29

No, ni malito forever.

SPEAKER_07 0:34

Jose Jose might get jealous.

SPEAKER_11 0:37

You get a pass, you get a pass.

SPEAKER_07 0:40

All right, fellas, we're rolling. Uh Concidor. Go ahead and start us off, man. Me.

SPEAKER_05 0:45

Oh, yeah. I am alive.

SPEAKER_07 0:47

But first of all, welcome back.

SPEAKER_05 0:48

Oh, welcome back. I never left, man. Yeah, you almost did. Nah, man. You almost took a dirt nap. I told you guys it was uh Michael Brujeria.

SPEAKER_08 1:00

That's what happened, man. Messing with the wrong ones is what happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:03

Yep, yep. But I'm alive, man. Thanks to the Lord himself up there conveniently. Showed me the light. You're gonna find Jesus today, Cabron. Uh it was on Friday, wasn't it? Good Friday Tamimpa, cabrera.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Oh yeah. And what did you do? You ate meat that day.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25

It went downhill big time for you, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:28

So you just felt a pain or what I yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:31

I just um You got some nasty tortillas. Got that pain in my um upper abdomen up here at the top, and then um it got worse until I felt it in the back and like wrapped around, and I was like I made it to the show. Felt like I was gonna throw up, so I thought it was food poison. I was like, yeah, whatever, fucking food poison. Whatever fucking people didn't cook the fucking meat all the way or whatever. So then the next day, or not next day, but then when I went to sleep, I took my medicine, you know, whatever. Um around like one in the morning. I woke up, like shit, I gotta throw up. I threw up, I kept throwing up, and it just got worse and worse, and I was like, oh shit, I can't do this shit. Usually, uh throw up, I'm good. It's part of the thing, nah, this thing was like cramping all around, and it's like shit, I was like crippled, and I was like, uh I go to the hospital. And then from there that's it.

SPEAKER_08 2:26

And what do they do? They take something out like I don't know anything about dancing.

SPEAKER_05 2:30

Um They basically do all these tests on you, and then there's like you have a stone, and we could uh put a tube through your mouth and take it out, or we open you up and take it out. Because um right now what it is doing when you have that gallbladder stone, um it causes your liver to start producing more stuff, and then eventually you get liver disease. Oh and then you could actually die from that shit.

SPEAKER_08 3:02

So you're one of the smart ones that went to the hospital. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:09

They got me.

SPEAKER_08 3:10

Rub some VIX on it, right? You've been Americanized, you went to the hospital. Good job, sir.

SPEAKER_05 3:14

Uh they they got me. Those brujas are damn you, woman.

SPEAKER_07 3:18

No, not all of them, just that one. Yeah, you you bring it on to yourself now. Here comes the second round. They can't no more. I've been blessed.

SPEAKER_06 3:30

Louis, the broader upon him. Product upon both of them. Louis Gaza. I'm fine. Yeah, I'm in one piece. Yeah. All right. Well, um What's up? Go ahead, Louis. Introduce. No, actually, I uh introduce it.

SPEAKER_07 3:44

First of all, you're you're you're well uh look tell us uh um what do you what's your full name?

SPEAKER_08 3:50

Tell us uh what's the good my government name? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Awesome, man. Milo Tango Tango, what's the name of the thing?

SPEAKER_10 3:58

Oh shit, he's one caman.

SPEAKER_08 4:01

I'm that dude. See, see, where are you from, brother? The Monterrey, nacien Monterrey, Nuevo Leon. Oh, hold up, hold up. Which side?

SPEAKER_06 4:08

Which side? That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_08 4:21

I knew by the way he walked, it was so weird. Like, where's your brother? So Nassian Monterrey, mi jefacito left, left us alone out there when I was like six. Then finally he got some money. He brought the whole family. I crossed over to Monte Carlo, singing the song Beat It. He's like, those nine selling lists, no. So we learned that song. And then we got to that border, that's how we crossed, just singing beat it. We didn't say nothing else but sing beat it there. We beat it across that border. Back then, y'all says you could just paint the people that were there and they knew someone so well connected, made it over there. We went to Hollywood, Florida. Okay. So I grew up I grew up in how most Mexicans they they stay on that west coast, man. My pops take us all the way to the east coast of Florida. So we went down to the city of Hollywood. Damn nice. Grew up in Hollywood out of there eight in a barrio puro in Chimoreno, bro. It was just a one block of like 20 apartments of Mexicans, the whole everything else put onito, bro. So you know they treated us well. How many uh siblings? I got cinco. We're got Chino, Nanitos, era, Hugo, four brothers and a sister, so we're six. That's awesome. Are they all here? This area? Well, we got uh three in Hollywood Nanos, Chino, and Marty, and I got uh a brother that just went back to Tacatecas because he didn't have his papers and he was worried about getting caught and getting sent back with nothing. Yeah. So he left before they sent him. And my other one came here when he was like 13 and he just didn't like it out here. He was too Mexicanized already, didn't like it, and he just he left. I think it lasted a couple, four or five years, and he went back. He's been there ever since, man. I think I'm the only one that got papers outside of my mom tried to fix his papers, but only Lil Nanos got the papers. My other brother had a couple problems, like with Sawincho La Verde, and he had a couple little things on him, they didn't let him in. I think I was 18 and I got luckily married to my wife, and she was military. I got papers like in three weeks, right?

SPEAKER_07 6:29

Yeah, that's what he's trying to do, but with this confirmation and baptism. Is that correct? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:36

He's trying to get expedited.

SPEAKER_08 6:38

I was trying to get expedited with my shit, man.

SPEAKER_06 6:39

So so they do that in boot camp?

SPEAKER_08 6:42

No, so what happened's really crazy is like I didn't even know I didn't have papers.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying about the confirm you know how they like out in WhatsApp L Iglesia, no, no, no. When in boot camp and you don't have nothing, oh no, but they speed it up in boot camp, they give you confirm the all at once in the three months. Same thing with um like if you're a resident and uh those programs where they give you the now back then it wasn't that quick. Um your citizenship, as soon as you graduate boot camp on the help uh get those like the expedite family members that get the paperwork, the their um papers.

SPEAKER_08 7:29

But what's crazy is when you grow up in a city where they're all immigrants, no one needs papers, especially back then before 9-11. Nobody I had a social security, I had a license, I had everything. I had a car under my name, and I wasn't arrested in a nut. And then after that 9-11, man, the old copy was like, go redo your life. Like, we do your look. This ain't legal. What? It's been legal since I was like, what, 15? How would I know?

SPEAKER_07 7:54

Like that's not the new one. Oh, was that the PACT Act? Was it? What? Pact Act? Oh, Pact Act. It wasn't Pac Act, it was um medical. Uh oh gosh. Um Yeah, it was right right after 9-11. Uh yeah, everything changed. Well Patriot Act? Yeah, it was a Patriot Act. I think it was. Yeah. I don't know, but that chunk was real.

SPEAKER_08 8:16

It changed everything down there, man.

SPEAKER_07 8:17

That's when my dad got deported to as well. Right after that.

SPEAKER_08 8:21

That's when it got real. Because before that, man, nobody cared about nothing. I was doing everything like if I was American. Well, I am American. You know what I mean? Yeah. Trying to say that. I get it.

SPEAKER_07 8:32

You guys heard that? He's gonna challenge your citizenship. I'm not challenging you ahead. Listen, let's clear that up. Just to not challenge he's gonna take your Mexican card away.

SPEAKER_08 8:46

But oh, America is America. I'm not saying uh American like uh due respect to all the white folks. We're the real Americans.

SPEAKER_07 8:55

That's what I that's what I keep trying to tell you.

SPEAKER_05 8:57

No, no, no, no. My parents are from Mexico, dude. Yeah, I was I was I I do not take anybody's American card away, anything like that with that. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

He's trying to put people on fucking Filipino.

SPEAKER_05 9:10

I know I take away their Mexican card. You see, but you took it with the head you didn't even know about it. But you have to go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 9:20

Your eyes got a little great right now.

SPEAKER_05 9:21

I take his away because he keeps saying I'm more Mexican than the three of you. I'm retaliating. You see? I'm retaliating.

SPEAKER_07 9:33

There you go. Where did you where were you born? Right there, man. Hey, Louis. I said he was Mexican. Louis, don't didn't see this cabra.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

We're gonna go down this rabbit hole again. We got to dicen Dominicanos.

SPEAKER_07 9:47

Exactly. That's what I think. No, no. Who said that?

SPEAKER_05 9:51

Pancho Villa didn't say that. Don't get it. Panta didn't say that.

SPEAKER_07 9:56

By the way, Pancho Villa lived in Matamoros, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

Matamoros, were you born there? That's no, but were you born there? It's my homeland.

SPEAKER_07 10:04

I was born in let me reload. I was born born in Tampa, Bay.

SPEAKER_05 10:09

You're more Cuban than Mexican.

SPEAKER_07 10:14

Hispanic. Listen, I I prom I prom Mexico with that.

SPEAKER_08 10:20

I mean, but it that's uh that's a real talk that I always, you know, I try to be careful who I have that conversation with because some can't handle it. But real Americanos. Yeah, yeah. I don't know where the word American turned into a white term because all these natives are here round aquí cafecito. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 10:38

I mean, as this just song that uh Los Cir Norte, you know who they are? Uh se lama Somos Más Americanos. Yeah, and it talks exactly about that. It's the facts, and my rock band covered it as well, man.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

When uh I guess when didn't they sing it with uh Zach De La Roche?

SPEAKER_07 10:54

De La Rocha, too, man. Yeah, yeah, from uh uh Rage Against the Machine. I haven't heard awesome cover, too, man.

SPEAKER_08 11:00

But it's the truth. I mean, they may they may not like it because they've chased North America, but it's the truth.

SPEAKER_05 11:07

Yeah. No, you're still not getting your card. You're like way over here, and I'm way over there.

SPEAKER_07 11:17

But yeah, this guy's gonna keep challenging you, man.

SPEAKER_05 11:19

Just just I don't have to challenge him. He was born in Monterrey. I mean, the only thing bad about it is because fan, you know, he's not a that's the only bad thing about it. But other than that, it's cool. I I can live with that.

SPEAKER_08 11:34

We have to, fellas. We gotta back each other up here. We got everybody else against us. Cal Maos, cal Maos.

SPEAKER_07 11:39

Yeah, digo, this infighting is not gonna work, bro. It's it's counterproductive.

SPEAKER_06 11:43

That's what I've been saying all the time, but I know. You two shut up. Okay, Louis.

SPEAKER_07 11:52

Tony over there, what, Switzerland? He'll he'll he he's conveniently will pick sides based on his leverage. That's it. It's I recognize that pattern, dude. Well, yeah, brought you yet, and you still yet to get on this guy here.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

I'm not trying to get on men.

SPEAKER_08 12:10

They get on him.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

I don't want nothing to do with that. I don't know nothing with it. Yeah, you know what? It's called strategic planning. I do the same thing at home, but it's called you ever heard of a strategic incompetence? Yeah, it's a calculated move. Strategic incompetence is has worked effectively in my household all for 25 years. You do something wrong intentionally, then what happens is you don't get asked to do it again.

SPEAKER_07 12:36

The dishes. That, that, yeah, and you validate your job. You know, my my my dad used to tell me, hey, hey, if everything were perfect, I wouldn't need you.

SPEAKER_06 12:44

But uh Tony, Tony, explain to him. You gotta fuck up sometime. Explain to him why Jose thinks you're Filipino.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Uh, because he's jealous of me. Oh why is he jealous?

SPEAKER_07 12:55

Because you're from waist down from where?

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Uh I'm 51% uh sub-Saharan African. I'm gonna build on another road. Oh, okay. So this is what happened. I uh I much like you, I didn't know that I wasn't born in the state until about 13 years old.

SPEAKER_10 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

And that's when they like I got taken out of school and they said, hey, we're gonna go to the immigration office in Tampa. I was like, why do I need to go there? I got taken there. At that point, I thought my last name was Cartenez. Right then, that's I thought that was my last name. I get there and it's like, hey, that's not your last name. It's Valdovinez with an E Z. I oh, okay, I guess that's my name. I'm in seventh grade. And then a few months later, we just decide to up and move to across the country, and then they tell me, hey, that's not your name, it's Valdovinos. So it with a not with an E Z, but with an OS. Oh, okay, I guess that's my name now.

SPEAKER_08 13:59

But who told you that's not your name?

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Um, when I got there, and they they had all the documentation showing showing that my last name was uh something else.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

He had fake uh birth certificates from Mexico. That motherfucker Salvadoran. He's like a Dominican baseball player.

SPEAKER_07 14:15

You just honestly you just crossed like two cont uh the whole continent, man. He's Philip, Filipino now is from where? Salvador. Salvador? That's like the opposite end of the world, dude. Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

So uh that's when I found out then a few weeks ago I went to uh go get my kids dual citizenship and I couldn't do it because apparently in Mexico they have it. My name is Valdovinez.

SPEAKER_07 14:40

Which is probably technically your real name, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Actually, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_07 14:43

They just because I uh say in Mexico is wrong? Never.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

No. Is that what you're saying? No, I'm saying uh where the You're wrong, not Mexico. The the uh the records are wrong because uh the church that what uh that originally had it burned down, so they had to go go to Rome. Conveniently the church burned down. Do you have a Mexican birth certificate? I do. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 15:08

You don't have it with you?

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Not with me.

SPEAKER_08 15:11

It burned too, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 15:15

He bought it just like Joseph.

SPEAKER_07 15:21

You might need to verify that, Tony.

SPEAKER_06 15:23

You want to bring it up. Hey, do you have the little thing?

SPEAKER_08 15:28

No say we I can't look that far. I don't think I have it. No, Steve.

SPEAKER_07 15:32

Oh, damn. I don't have it either.

SPEAKER_08 15:34

Well, you were born here, man.

SPEAKER_07 15:38

I'm gonna burn myself with a cigarette. Look at it.

SPEAKER_10 15:47

Which side is it?

SPEAKER_08 15:50

It should be on your left arm. It's the left arm?

SPEAKER_04 15:52

No, okay. It's on the red. Look at it. I'm gonna throw it up anyway, so it's gonna cover it. It's behind the tat. It's gonna boil it up and put it on the ratty.

SPEAKER_06 16:09

I'm Mexican on the right side. I'm like, yeah, you got the wrong one.

SPEAKER_07 16:12

Hey, if you see me showing up with sleeveless shirts, man, you know the deal.

SPEAKER_04 16:16

I just got it burnt. I mean, I just got it done. You gotta put a little sudden tattoo around that thing. No, he's not.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

He's gonna get that tattooed on there. Oh it's all right, man.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

I mean, technically, I was ready to go.

SPEAKER_07 16:30

Chicano to me, okay? Chicano, again, we go back and I think of Chicago. I've never been in Illinois. Yeah, I've been never been in Illinois.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

When I think of Sh Chicano, I think Chicago. Likewise.

SPEAKER_08 16:40

Well, it's it's the it's the native.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

What was it?

SPEAKER_08 16:44

The original, what they call the Aztecs, or the it was Chica, something like that, and that's where they got the Chicano from. That's what I see. Yeah, that came from. I'll take that name. Give it back to you. Yeah, no, no, Chicano, that's where it came from. That's from the the natives. Uh Chicken, maybe? No, not it was something else. But that's where Chica, and then they added the no Chicano, so it is more Mexican than native than anything.

SPEAKER_06 17:07

So it's like it was just uh more of the representation of um being a Mexican and being in the United States.

SPEAKER_07 17:15

Just a fair warning again. Everything you're saying, he's gonna Google it and then use against you. Bring it.

SPEAKER_08 17:21

We're gonna have to add you to the I only lied three out of ten times. So keep it. You just gotta figure out which three times check you.

SPEAKER_06 17:31

So, and I don't go on back to you, so your family was here in Florida?

SPEAKER_08 17:36

So we we all came here, Florida. Well, at least just my mom and my father. We don't have any other family that that crossed over. Everybody else is over there. So, you know, I couldn't go back at all until I was, I think I went 16 uh tia. Well, no, you know, we call each other t the whole 20 Mexican homes in that block called each other family. You know, we had to be. That's the only way we survived. So I went with a tia at 16. She had a passport of a dude that looked like me. They're like, I'm like, so we went to Guadalajara, it was a little place called uh it was near Guadalajara, I forgot. Contra. Small city called Contra. And I crossed over illegally, bruh. And I was over there for the first time back in Mexico where I actually remember stuff, you know, other than being on the soccer field watching my dad. And we went to Contra, dude. That's it was nice. It was nice. They're like, go kill some chicken so we could cook. We were beating them junks with broomsticks. It was just real Mexico, bruh. And then coming back, I was nervous as crap, but you know, came back. I think we were there for like a month. And, you know, just speaking English, that was it. I had a student ID. They're like, hey, okay. Back then, bro, there was nothing.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

It was very lax.

SPEAKER_05 18:43

It was so lax. It was chill people. Where do you live? And I live here, I go to this school. I yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:49

Now, man, this gotta be crazy now.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

Let me see your tattoo.

SPEAKER_08 18:54

But but yeah, so it was easy. You know, but grew up in Florida, it was good, and I I loved it down there, man. It was nice. It was just too Caribbean, which is fine, you know. So that's where I think a lot of people when they look at me, don't even realize I'm Mexican until I it's like I have to like like prove it. I mean, I don't prove it, but it's like Yeah, I'm still trying to prove mine. You ain't gonna make it. But um Filipino flavor. You know, so it's like down there, all Caribbeans down there in Moreno's is like my flavor's so different, you know, from your like regular, you know, we think of Mexican as a regular West Coast Mexican, you know, or Chicano. It's a it's a whole I'm a whole different type of thing to her. People never, I gotta like tell her what what's your soccer team? Where'd you, you know, like data's junk like Wakaya? I'm like, I don't even know my street here, bro. Like, I don't know. You know what I mean? So it's like, but finally I went back, my mom won a little lawsuit uh from Kmart, got a little money, and then I already had my papers. So fun finally went back to Monterrey with my family with my mom. So I was like, man, my daughter was two, so I was probably like a good 27. I went back to Monterey, dude. It was it was real nice. Yeah. But you know, they don't accept you the same when you go, when you're American, you're they don't look at you I mean, Americans, but I mean they don't look at you like what do you think is that? Nah, I mean, I just no disrespect to our people. I think they're just you know, over there they think the lifestyle over here is so easy. The lifestyle over here is work, brother. Yeah, that's how I work seven days a freaking week, man. And so does everybody else that has to make it. I just, you know, they think we I real talk, I think they just think we have it easy over there. We go over there, they we have it easy here, we go over there. Oh, you just got all this money. But I work for this damn money. Now it sucks that our government down there, our government, ooh, uh doesn't pay or have the jobs or whatever, or take care of the people that need to be taken care of for the workers. We're some hardworking suckers, bro. That's why we're up here working seven days a week. If we work these seven days a week down there and got the same pay and the same benefits and all that stuff, we'd stay. But it's not, you know, so then they look at us as it sucks, man. They look at us as it ain't jealousy, man. It ain't jealousy because they still love me, but it's just like you have it easy, you have it easy. If you knew what we went through when I first got here from eight man, I used to work. I used to go clean movie theaters with my mom. I would clean movie theaters with my mom from what 12 p.m. or 12 a.m. all the way to like 6 a.m. And then go to work, go to school. Yep, at freaking 12 13, you know, working six hours a night shift, then work, you know, like oh, and then they would tell me school's important, do good. Bitch, so why are you taking me the night job, you know? So parents always say school's important. But we gotta make learn how to work.

SPEAKER_05 21:32

Yeah, just in case just in case if you decide to drop out.

SPEAKER_08 21:36

Yeah, my pops used to take me out of school and say, Oh, uh, he went to school, it's like we're gonna go to Mexico for a month. I fucking go work instruction for a month. Like, ah, that's why I'm like, I just wanna be in school. You know, just because if not, I was busting my butt. You think he paid me? No. I thought to lonch me hito, con la lonchera, go flirt. Yeah, motherfucker, bruh. Can I get twenty dollars? You got a house here. All right. Thank you, Pops. You don't need that money. Yeah. So now when I get like, did I get paid to work? Nice. Let's work more. Yeah, I don't I don't it it sucks that our people over there don't don't um really want to fully connect with the people from here. You know what I mean? The ones that have crossed over, made a different lifestyle.

SPEAKER_07 22:17

And that you're you're referring to the Monterrey area?

SPEAKER_08 22:19

Uh yeah, all of it.

SPEAKER_05 22:22

I wouldn't have you wouldn't know that because you never had to go through that. Actually, I did.

SPEAKER_07 22:27

I did for years. Yes. You crossed? Yes. Where? Yes. Every summer. Oh god. What are you talking about? Like the cruise?

SPEAKER_06 22:36

We're not talking about like family members, bro. We're talking about like in general. People. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 22:42

I guess I think Tony. Tony, could you explain to him what's the difference with the differences? I basically grew up in Matamoros.

SPEAKER_07 22:49

Matamoros is a border, border city. Why do you hate each other so much? I feel so much.

SPEAKER_08 22:54

You see, I do, I really do. We need to put a wall there.

SPEAKER_07 22:57

So I need to sit over there where he can't see me. Um so we it's a it's a border town next to Brownsville. Consider, I guess, El Valle, right? Um, people go in and out, man, in and out. I I cross both sides and I can speak fluent Spanish as well. But I grew up my summers were there. As soon as we clocked out of school, oh over there, entire summer. So I grew up there. I I never felt any kind of resistance, never felt isolated, nothing, dude. Well, you know what's crazy if you're kidding.

SPEAKER_08 23:26

But I think it I think all the ones that are near the border is different. Yeah. Like it's it's really different because they connect so much. Because the ones up in Mexico cross to the US and you so I I think that's the I think the ones that don't cross over to have a connection, like even though I say when I do go on a cruise now or vacation, because I'm blessed now, I go to Cancun or, you know, uh Playa de Mujeres, all that stuff, they they're like, ah, it's Mexicano, like, and they they're looking to get money out of you. Yeah, it's just a reality, you know what I mean? But they they still look at you as a tourist, they don't they don't connect you as you know. But let's say Americans go to another part of uh of the world, and there's another Americans that they treat you like, you know, it's just it's foul that our own people make you feel like you gotta prove yourself. Like even in here, playing around. We're playing around, but why are we playing around with this? Because we know it's real. Oh, this ain't a joke, that's real. Yeah, it's real. Oh shit. It's real for him. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 24:18

We gotta check them all the time.

SPEAKER_08 24:20

They're like, yo, remember, Mexican, Mexican, but this is why we get in so much damn trouble here in the States. We gotta prove we're more Mexican than the other one. Yep. Oh, you just kick your dog, I'm gonna kick my dog and my wife. What you gonna do? I'm gonna shave a hair off. Ah, you're not more Mexican than me. Like, that's why we get in so much damn trouble. We've proven our Mexicanism, and our Mexicanism has turned into something negative. Like, I gotta be a badass instead of you know picking my game up into surviving this in this, you know, in this part of the world. And us trying to prove our Mexicanism, bro, gets us in some damn trouble. That is true, man. We do it like that.

SPEAKER_07 24:56

Just gets involved, man. Our ego gets there before we do. And that that's counterproductive.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

You know who gets mad is this guy.

SPEAKER_07 25:02

I I I retaliate. Retaliate.

SPEAKER_04 25:05

It's like, yo, dude, they just you are Mexican. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So they might be getting mad.

SPEAKER_07 25:09

I'm I'm not mad.

SPEAKER_08 25:13

I'm getting telling me your words to say you're not mad, but your body language. Yeah, I wish people could see it. I'm swinging here.

SPEAKER_07 25:23

I'm swinging it for the listeners here. I'm I'm I'm throwing haymakers towards uh Jose.

SPEAKER_05 25:28

You're plenty Mexican American for me, man.

SPEAKER_08 25:32

So so shit. So I was, you know, I grew up that way, and I lived, you know, the way young Mexicans live. I was wild as crap, like, you know, just having to prove myself. And I had to prove myself, that's why my nickname is Taco. And I grew up in Hollywood, and I'm surrounded by Caribbeans, blacks, um, everything other than Mexican, other than I block. And me having to always prove my Mexicanism, people would always, you know, make fun of Mexicans because we're very few down there. We were probably the population, it was probably five percent because we were one of the first Mexicans that went to that part of Florida. Other than Hollywood, it was in homestead. Those, with all due respect, those were all farm workers and stuff like that. My father was he started farm working, but then he got into some other job. What was it, in a factory. And then my mom got in there. So my mom and my dad worked in a factory, you know, so they weren't farm workers. So it's it's a different mentality. I think the guys that are used to working in farmlands, like actually out here, yeah, they kind of belittle you a lot, you know, because oh, you're a farm worker, blah, blah, blah. Here, you do this, you get this, you don't get that much money. So, and you take whatever they give you because you want whatever they're giving you, because it's more than what we got. Yeah, you know, my father didn't want us, so he started that. My father was too cocky and too Mexican, real talk. And he's like, I'm not, these putos ain't holding me down. So he started looking for other jobs. So he got into one of the first ones, got into construction and into factories, and then my mother started working and freaking digging holes for the city, bruh, and doing the big pipe-ish and junk like that, paws, just all that, you know, working pipes, working harder than so. I came from a line of hard working and watching them. So I I took care of my my siblings. Even though I wasn't the oldest one, I was the oldest one, if you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah. You know, mentally, physically. So I and I grew up in those streets, so I I carried us well. Um, but it's just it's I had to always, oh, like I was going with it, so I always had to prove myself of being Mexican. So I actually gave myself a nickname because they're giving me all kinds of freaking nicknames. I ain't like none of them. And I'm like, what's more Mexican than a taco? I'm like, Taco, what's your name? Well, what's your name? You know, I'm like, bitch, I'm taco. And I stuck with it, man.

SPEAKER_06 27:37

What's more Mexican than a taco?

SPEAKER_07 27:38

Not Taco Bell.

SPEAKER_06 27:40

Oh, yeah, hey, hold on. We're not gonna go to the house. Not again, not again.

SPEAKER_07 27:45

I want to know what hey brother, uh, is Taco Bell Mexican food?

SPEAKER_06 27:49

Wait, for before you just where does a taco come from?

SPEAKER_07 27:53

That was a leading thing. It's Taco Bell Mexican food, dude. Okay, put it this way: you got you got family from Monterrey coming to visit you, right?

SPEAKER_08 28:00

Theoretically. Do I take them to Taco Bell Hell no? For Mexican food. No, hell no. No, but no, no, no. Do I still like it? I like the Mexican pizza. It's got Mexico.

SPEAKER_06 28:09

But what is it? Is it Mexican or no? It's not authentic Mexican. No, no, no, no. It's not authentic Mexican. It's still Mexican. Can we say it's Tex Mex?

SPEAKER_05 28:16

Oh shit. All right.

SPEAKER_06 28:18

I can agree with it. We can accept it. I can agree with that. I mean, but it's still I'll agree with that. But originate Mexicans, bro. Swirly churros. I know, but that's like, where did it come from?

SPEAKER_08 28:28

It's not real talk. It's not real Mexican.

SPEAKER_06 28:29

No, no, it's not real Mexican. I could tell you that. It's not real Mexican. Yeah. Where did the taco come from?

SPEAKER_08 28:34

Where did the taco come from?

SPEAKER_05 28:36

Mexico.

SPEAKER_06 28:37

Meadow, Mexico, way. So it's not traditional Mexican, but it's still Mexican.

SPEAKER_08 28:43

I think it's Mexican with a twist. You know, it's like any.

SPEAKER_06 28:46

Just like him. Look, he was born where?

SPEAKER_08 28:48

Mexican with a twist. We'll call you Taco Bell, like that's exactly. It is Taco, bro.

SPEAKER_06 28:52

And then look, look, look, look, look. Did they want Taco Bell in Mexico?

SPEAKER_07 28:57

No. Why? Because it ain't Mexican food. Thank you.

SPEAKER_08 29:01

No, because the Americans getting the money, because it ain't made by a Mexican. That's why.

SPEAKER_06 29:05

So it's a good thing. This is why Chipotle and Roseville. Where they see us different when we go with it. Yeah, yeah. They see the same thing.

SPEAKER_08 29:11

Even if a Mexican did, which I don't think it was, a Mexican runs Taco Bell and is the head director. If he tries to go Mexico, don't want it, they don't.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

No.

SPEAKER_08 29:20

They think the USA, not America, the USA has taken enough from Mexico that like we don't want to give you anything else. Yeah. You know, and real talk.

SPEAKER_07 29:30

It's Tex Max. Just agree to disagree. Text Max. There you go.

SPEAKER_06 29:33

I'm uh it's still Mexican, though. Max, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:37

Tex Max. So I'm you heard that? I'm still Mexican. That's what I've been telling you, bro. This is why I'm making that Joseph. He's always looking for your approval. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

Just can you give it to him, bro? I've been giving it to him. I have.

SPEAKER_06 29:52

I've been telling you, you're Mexican just like Taco Bell. I didn't even give it to my son. You're not may not be I'm not gonna give it to my traditional Mexican, but you're not giving it to your son.

SPEAKER_05 30:02

Nah, man. It's this.

SPEAKER_07 30:04

You know what? I I I grew up that way. I don't need no one's approved just by myself. That's it.

SPEAKER_08 30:08

It looks like you're looking for approval though with all the respect, bro.

SPEAKER_07 30:11

I'm doing it. I need your approval.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

I'll need your approval. I need it.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Oh my lord. Here we go.

SPEAKER_07 30:19

I need him to see it through a lady. Another idea. I don't even give it to my son. We can kind of self-reflect. Whether that's it. Jose, you got this? What he's doing.

SPEAKER_08 30:30

I don't think I got it either, though. That's weird.

SPEAKER_05 30:33

But you have a birth certificate, though? Simon que sea. You got a birth certificate? Yes. But it's not real, though. It's real. It's real. It's got the seal and everything.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

But is it spelled right? It's misspelled. But my So then how is it real then if it's not? It's got the seal?

SPEAKER_08 30:47

My birth certificate says Mexico with a J. That means I'm real, real. Yeah, mine does too. Mine has a Buccaneer logo on it.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

Oh God.

SPEAKER_05 30:56

Anyway, so are you able to get like a Mexican passport or no?

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Because I have to get uh that corrected, so I have to go uh in I have to go to this uh Colima to get that corrected.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

So you gotta go to Mexico. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

So uh we're actually we'll be going here probably the end of June uh to Mexico City and then we'll hire an attorney to go in to take care of that because you have to do it that way because I can't do it from here.

SPEAKER_07 31:23

You know what I mean? You can't go to the Orlando embassy.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Uh try it because but they can't do it because they can't it has to be corrected in the in the city where you were born. So there's no way around it, so I have to go down there.

SPEAKER_05 31:38

So where were you born, Obama?

SPEAKER_00 31:40

I was born in uh Chandiablo, Colima. Uh C H A N D I A B L O I never heard of that town, but yeah, sounds good to me. Well, it's really close to Tekoman. Spell that.

SPEAKER_08 32:04

I feel like there's an X in there somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

No, I actually uh I talked to my biological father and uh for the first time ever, and they started crying about money. I was like, fuck you then.

SPEAKER_08 32:15

I know, that's what's right.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Yeah, he's like the first time, you know, I'm 45 years old, and you don't want to know about your grandkids. And he left voicemails and he's talking to uh, I guess a cousin of mine. He said, Well, he's got an obligation to take care of you. When? How? You weren't there to take care of me? Fuck you.

SPEAKER_08 32:33

You know, that's that's the hard shit about once we were over here, like you bringing that up. Like, you know, both my mother and my father passed. And I used to stay connected to my family in Mexico through my father, he would force me to talk. Not force, yeah, he would. You know, so I would, and we kept that connection, and while he was there, we'd go. And after they pass, it's like I have a hard time. I haven't got in contact with them. Not that I my wife gets mad at me. He's like, you need to reach out to your tía. I'm so scared for them to ask for money because then it's gonna tell me everything I'm thinking is fucking real. Like, mother, you know what I mean? You don't want the the affection, the love, the family, the you know, my you want bread, and that's how you look at me. So I'm avoiding to have that reality kick me in the face, and I don't know how I'm gonna react to that shit, you know, because that shit is it's a real thing, man.

SPEAKER_05 33:24

I mean, I just keep it real, man. So just reach out if they ask for money, it is what it is. But you have to also be with them, let them know, like, hey, I'm not I'm not an ATM machine. I'll give you this one time if you really need it.

SPEAKER_08 33:38

Yeah, but then you have a sour taste in your mouth where you don't, you know, it's just you don't want to be you don't want to be associated with them anymore.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

You don't want to talk to them because you always think you're gonna they're gonna be hitting you up again, again, again, and again. And that's why I didn't want to open up that door. I didn't want to open up that door because oh, you're having these side conversations with, I guess, maybe a cousin of mine. I don't know who he is, and he's telling you that I have an obligation to take care of you and to bring you to the States. Like, I don't owe you anything. Like you weren't there when when uh when things were happening here. When my stepfather was chasing me around and yeah, the one-legged ninja, he used to chase me with it, he used to chase me around. I got scars on my back when he used to hit me with his damn uh crutches and stuff. I don't owe you anything. You weren't there to protect me. Fuck you. You couldn't outrun him. Uh no, he'd catch me when I was sleeping.

SPEAKER_08 34:35

He's really hurt. You can see the pain in his face when he's like, I'm just looking at it. My man's in pain. Give him a hug. Jose. No, give him a hug, but that's all right Carlos. That boy D saw.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

But that that's that's exactly why when I talked to him the first time and he started crying about money, he's like, no, I will, and that's when I cut him off immediately. And then that's when he kept on calling over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_07 34:59

Mine's really simple, dude. Even here, even here, it's just you have to sell set healthy boundaries. Yeah, and I think that's top-notch mental health love, man. You have to have them. Yeah, because I I mean I I I reach out, I make sure I do my part too. I reach out to them, my family members, hey, are you okay? Just want to make sure you don't have to call me bad, just want to make sure you're okay. Boom, that's it. Quick. Maybe once a month, every other month. But if they come back and say, hey, do you have some money?

SPEAKER_08 35:23

Well, they don't, and sometimes they're real slick about it. They don't ask for the money directly. I know, Mijito, fuimos al hospital. I mean de la niña, y ya sabes, pero aquí tratando, you know, so they and that's just the thing. I think I'm always looking for them, asking for it because you've seen it so much. So I I avoid. And that is a problem that I have. I avoid problems because I don't like the way I react to problems, whether it's verbal, physical, whatever it is. You know what I mean? So it's like I rather avoid them because when we get angry, any man, not just me, when you get angry, you don't think straight and you're direct. So all that stuff that we've been taught to be politically correct and you know, stay in this safe zone so you can move ahead in life, you can lose that shit easily, real quick, in one little instance. So I avoid those situations, man. Because I've I've seen all of us, you know, get a little twist and I can see it in you. I'm like, all right, got the card nothing. We could let's just leave this fool alone, walk away. You know, and that's with everything with reps, with coaches, with freaking parents. So it's like I try to avoid it. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like any man, but you know, you just know yourself, you know what you're capable of. But I'm just saying, any man, you avoid that damn because I don't want to lose it, dude. I lost it too many times, and I'm blessed to still be able to play this game in this country, bruh. Cause man. Play the game. It is. You gotta know the rules, though. Yeah, you gotta know the rules. No, no, no. Most of us know the rules. We could just give two shits about the rules. Well, there's some people that are that. Well, because that's all they know, you're right.

SPEAKER_07 36:51

So they don't know the rules. And the the thing is, they're the kids are watching, so they normalize all this shit. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_08 36:58

And they have no other way to communicate but to Well, like I tell you, so when I when we first when I got married, and you know, I I left the the state of Florida, I was 19. Dude, I went from South Florida a wild in South Florida. If you don't speak Spanish, no one speaks English down there back in those days. They still don't. They still don't. You're right. You go to the stores there, those in español way. So from there at 19, got married, went to Columbus Air Force Base in Mississippi. Bruh, from Florida, South Florida. One extreme too. So Columbus, Mississippi. Yo estaba loquito. I had lines in my head, I had designs, I had a whole bunch of hair. I I look like a they never see nothing like me out there. Not on base. On base, you see everything. They're from all over. You leave that base into the town. Oh, and I was trying to find a job. Not happening, but I check this how bad it was. I almost got divorced over this because I couldn't get a job. And I'm a worker, dude. I've worked my since I was freaking 11, 12, working. Real grown man hours, real grown man jobs, construction. So I was a drywall finisher, framer, drywall, uh, put it. I like, I did all painted everything for years. So I'm I was good. I'm still real good at it. So we went there, and now I'm like, wife is you gotta go get a job. So I had my real, you know, green card or whatever, but I don't know what the hell it was called back then, residency card. When looking for jobs, they wouldn't hire me, dude. I went to construction companies that I know needed workers. I'm like, look, I even put it like I will work one week for free. If you don't like my work, don't pay me and I'm out. But if you like my work, you don't have to pay me for that one week, but hire me. They're like, we can't give you a job. Fucking went to Taco Bell. Fucking text, Mex Fakes, bruh. Bunch of Moreno said the back, I'm like, hey, can you know I'm looking for a job, blah, blah, blah. It's like, uh, no, we're not really hiring right now. I'm like, I'm fucking Mexican. You got a bunch of black people back there working. Like, I can make, you know, not to know how to make tacos, but I bullshit, like, I can make tacos, right? Like, nope, wouldn't hire me. Got, I was there looking for a job, probably for about a good two months and a half, trying, really going everywhere. Got into a big ass fight with my wife. Yeah, I was gonna head back home. I'm like, and if I would have gone back home, our marriage would have not happened. You know, it just would have added all my brothers, all my friends, everybody. And as we're having that argument, my phone rings in the house, bro. And it, you know, we're arguing, blah, blah, blah. Well, I'm gonna head back. Fuck this. You know, I like to work, but these motherfuckers won't hire me, blah, blah. And the fucking mess message shit goes up, beep. Uh, you came here looking for a job today. Just want to let you know that uh come by tomorrow so you could, you know, we'll give it a try and see what's up. It was a fucking car wash.

SPEAKER_05 39:35

Okay. I take it.

SPEAKER_08 39:37

And I took it, but it was a sign, like I took it as a sign. You gotta look at that shit. You know, we're fucking arguing, I'm heading back, and it's a machine saying that you got a job. So I went in there, started working at a car wash, and this is where it took another two. So I was there for a good hour, a good year, probably working. And then this dude comes in, you know, because you're washing cars, we vacuum, then we do all that crap. You know how you see out here, and the car had a little Mexican flag on it. It was a white Jeep rodeo. I remember it to this day, bro. I'm like, I'm like, oh, I'm washing this car. So I started watching the car ticket, bro. I'm like, hey, how you doing? So and it's like, oh I'm like, I'm like, you Mexican? He's like, yeah, I'm like, yo también. I'm like, ah dude, pinche. The Mexico way. I'm like, yeah, you're not mexicano que me consta. The whole junk, and it's like, I'm like, no hay de otra. Like, yeah, be payái, pa' allá y pasa por a Mexican restaurant.

SPEAKER_05 40:27

Yeah, that's what you uh I was gonna say, like, if you want to know the community, you gotta find the Mexican restaurant because that's where everybody goes.

SPEAKER_08 40:34

But I didn't know that because all I knew was South Florida. I've never been out of South Florida.

SPEAKER_05 40:38

Because when I was in Kentucky in Lexington, the same thing. I looked up the Mexican restaurant and that's where I would go. That's where I would start talking to the people there. But you know, I was already in the Marine Corps, I didn't need a job, but but at least that's where I got to like know.

SPEAKER_08 40:51

Like, but I didn't know that until a year and a half. I didn't know there's a damn Mexican restaurant there. So I went there, he's like, hey, I'm sorry. He's like, so why are you like, well, I'm looking for a job. You guys hired? He's like, do I less English? I'm like, hell yeah, but I'm from South Florida, bit. I like I speak English. You know, he's like, blah, blah, blah. That's the only problem we have here. Nobody speaks English. We need a host. I'm like, well, I mean, a host ain't gonna make what these other dudes make. I mean, uh, you're NPS Y, but I like to learn it. He's like, como say that way, but then you be American way. Say hi, be American, be USA. I'm not saying American, because yeah, valió madre. You're USA, you know, so go ahead and speak to the people and put them in. And that's how I started, man. Then they they became family. I said, So what all ten of them to this day, bro? We looked out for each other and it was it was nice, dude.

SPEAKER_07 41:35

Is it South Carolina? No, no, in Mississippi.

SPEAKER_08 41:40

In the central Columbus Air Force Base in the middle of nothing. Morenito y Blanquito. And they that's they were racist as heck, but in the open. Yeah, like you say, if that's low, that's where the story came from. If that's all you know, that's all you know. Like they're racist as crap openly. Yeah, it's normalized, it's normalized. So engraved in them that they don't realize. Yeah, they don't, but they work in the, like you said at the car wash, you have Morenos and white people, you know, the poor once all working together and me, and then their race is the whole crap, but then when they leave there, they don't talk to each other. It's you work there, you talk shit, and they would call each other every word that you know they do. And man, it was the weirdest shit.

SPEAKER_05 42:23

I mean, it was still the same way in Western New York over there, but um, where me and my brother were called. We were just talking to these guys, like our rivals right across the highway. Their mascot was the hillbilly. Ah, la madre. And then ours was a marauder, which was supposedly was uh pirate thieves or whatever shit. Our school had black, Puerto Rican, five Mexicans, Caucasian, the other school across the street, all white.

SPEAKER_08 42:50

So you went through the same shit I did, being very few Mexicans. It's it's a different shit.

SPEAKER_05 42:55

And everybody there, it was no construction Mexican, like over here. Yeah, over there was all farm workers. All of them. So it's like you said, they're they're they think different than the construction worker compared to the factory worker and all that.

SPEAKER_08 43:09

And it's it's weird, but it is. That's what and it's my dad caught it from back then. It's like, I'm not gonna be, he told me it's like, I didn't want to be a farm worker. I like the way they talk to us. I like the not that it's any better in construction shit, but it you at you can at least talk back in construction because you're a physical worker. You know, I don't I don't know how to explain it, but the mentality that they put into a farm work in Mexican with all due respect to them, then the ones that were construction, it's a it's different mentality, bro. They the the way they treat you, the way they they feel like you can't do nothing back if you're a farm worker. You have no say in in not just this job in this whole system. You know what I mean? So it's it sucks, but yeah. Oh, so you guys kind of have the same shit that I put up. Yeah, to prove it. Like I had to say every fucking day I'm not Puerto Rican, bro. I'm not no, I'm not fucking why do you want to say you're Mexican? Bitch, because I am they. Looked at it as something down. You're Mexican? Why do you nah? Just say you're Puerto Rican. I'm like, fuck.

SPEAKER_07 44:04

You do have that South Miami accent, though.

SPEAKER_08 44:06

Yeah, no, no, definitely. Well, because that's all Florida, as you say. That's all that's all I that's all you know. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 44:12

Grow up, your environment where you grow up.

SPEAKER_08 44:13

Yeah. And it was, you know, it's a it's a mixture of Moreno, Caribbean, and Mexican all together, you know. And I talk differently depending who the fuck I'm talking to. And it's weird how my mind switches. Yeah, clicking. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 44:25

Well, we got a well, JJ's in here, but he's uh he talks Puerto Rican. Was talking Puerto Rican?

SPEAKER_08 44:34

Well, is he Puerto Rican or is he Mexican? No, he Tony, Tony, just go ahead. Take this one.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

So he was adopted by Puerto Ricans when he was an infant.

SPEAKER_08 44:44

Damn, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

And when he started talking, he said he was adopted by Puerto Ricans. My my naturally I was intrigued. I asked him, I gotta hear you speak Spanish. So he started talking. I was like, oh damn, you do sound Puerto Rican. But I, you know, in my mind, I still wonder is that his normal Spanish when he's talking to his wife in Spanish? Or is that like does it does he like switch between Mexican Spanish and Puerto Rican Spanish? So I it's been one of those things that I think.

SPEAKER_08 45:21

Yeah, and I've been like, yeah you can't blame him. Like, I don't know what my real Spanish sounds like, real talk. I don't because I'm always trying to make the person I'm talking to feel comfortable with my Spanish. And I changed my tone, my word-ish, uh, my way-ism, way, you know, the terminology changes big time. But like even in my in my school now, uh, it's mainly Cubans. So I've learned to just speak Mexican. I'm like, sientaate way, like, and that's how I feel more comfortable.

SPEAKER_09 45:49

And likewise, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 45:50

You know, which is weird. But it's when I'm talking, uh so I'm trying to teach myself, which is weird to say at this age, I'm trying to teach myself just to talk Mexican. Yeah, and it's the truth, just because any other time that I try to speak Spanish where the others understand me, it's like I I get confused and I don't sound like I speak Spanish. It sounds like I'm struggling. Yeah. And I don't like that about me.

SPEAKER_05 46:13

This guy says that if you can't talk proper Spanish, that you're not Mexican. I didn't I did not say that. Oh, I think you did.

SPEAKER_07 46:20

I need you to go back and listen to all the episodes. No, no, no. Tony, Tony, Tony, you didn't. No, no, no. Let me let me correct this. I said, okay, if you you're if you're gauging my Mexican card by the culture, why are you going back to that card?

SPEAKER_06 46:35

No one's talking about the card. This is what he's bringing up.

SPEAKER_07 46:39

Yeah, I'm fighting fire with fire here now. Um I said, okay, all right, that's fine.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

I think he's got there's a flamethrower and he's throwing a match.

SPEAKER_07 46:48

No, no, your lip is twitching as you're talking, so he's real. I'm not sure. So so okay, I'm like, okay, all right, that's fine. You know, we we okay. I'm gonna see. Let's see how Mexican he is out in here. It's easy to be Mexican here. True. You know, it's we're we're isolated. Let's let's see out in the outside world. All right, cool. I joined, you know, we're running the soccer club, right? You know, okay. These guys need translate translation, right? Spanish, English is Spanish. And I'm there and I'm like, these guys are supposed to be Mexican here, man. If I can out Spanish Spanish you, what does that say about you?

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Oh, you have a really good European language. Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_07 47:28

And then and then you shouldn't say nothing else.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

You should just leave it right there. You work. See, this is what I'm talking about. And let him talk. Let him talk.

SPEAKER_07 47:34

No, no, no, well, go ahead. Go ahead, Carlos. No, no, finish, finish. You're cooking, you're cooking. And and then, okay, this this guy's trying to convince me. Well, anything that uh uh is partially or anything associated with Mexican is full Mexican. All right, cool. I I agree with you, and I I disagree with uh Jose. I'm like, well, okay, all right, Jose. Um let's uh uh um let's let's see, let's see. Let let time tell who's who's more Mexican. If that's if that's what you really that's where you really want to go. All right, cool. So we we're we're talking about the language barrier, we're talking about our culture, we're talking about uh um you know all these things are starting to pop up, right? Then we start looking back into the history. Uh we, I don't know about you, uh not to get to political. I mean we do sometimes, to be honest with you. Um anything that hurts our people, when I say our people, our Mexican culture, I'm I'm gonna retaliate somehow. But not just retaliate to be stupid, all emotional. No, I'm gonna get some information, get my ass to vote, right? Get my ass out there in the community. Get my ass. Get my ass in the in the in the volunteer, put some work in, right? I'm not just gonna talk, talk, talk, talk. Um, all right. So we we we we get here, we're talking about it, and um this I found out this guy hasn't vote voted. And he's telling he's telling us get educated, do something do something, right? He hasn't voted. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I have voted. Well, he hasn't voted in the last two, two, two, two elections. I think he said 12 years. 12 years, last three elections. All right, so so they're they're telling me to that one later. Yeah, yeah. He's telling, yeah, they're telling me, well, you know, that's that's our people, man. I uh just I was born here, yeah, that's fine. But I I I never left Mexico. I brought it with me. I'm I'm here. I'm I'm rep I want to be an ambassador of Mexico. You never left Mexico. And then this guy, this guy, I mean, I don't know. Again, not to get into political. I don't care if you're Republican, left or right. I I don't give a shit. I think you do, but go ahead. No, no, no. No. It depends who you're gonna represent. Anyone who who you represent that hurts our people, then yeah. Now, now we we gotta you know we got a situation here. But that's so I'll let you elaborate. I'll let you elaborate who No, we don't want them to elaborate.

SPEAKER_08 49:55

You finish, bro.

SPEAKER_07 49:56

You couldn't. So so I add all that up, right? And then I'm like, okay, all right. Uh um, who's uh um who's really, really representing uh uh our culture here? Who who's left it? Who's big been more American? You say left? You know, so and and I look at it, it's just the numbers don't don't add up, man. I ran the numbers so many times, like I just don't see how I left Mexico. I I I don't see it. I seriously don't see it. I mean, Carlos maybe understand it, but this guy. But go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 50:29

What is your point?

SPEAKER_04 50:30

Why'd you left Mexico?

unknown 50:31

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 50:32

You see, you don't listen, bro. Selective. Go ahead, go ahead, Jose. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

Wouldn't you think that's a that's an asking view when you see that? Say it again. Wouldn't you think that's an asking uh view of how you see things?

SPEAKER_07 50:49

I'm not sure if I understand the question. That's how you see things, right?

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Okay, so you're seeing okay, so askance just means that you're looking it through a certain prism. You're looking at it sideways. You're not looking at it at face value. No, it's like you're you're kind of like you're tilting it in the direction that you want to see it.

SPEAKER_07 51:07

Well, I think essentially we all do that at one point or another. No, it's just being human. Um, I've been I've been um I wouldn't say criticized. I've been labeled as dude, you you gotta think outside the box. And sometimes I feel like I live outside the box. I I Mexico's inside the box.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

And I'll do this on purpose. Like, um the only thing I could ever think of is the box.

SPEAKER_05 51:33

Yeah. But what was the other thing he said um last time to be biased, or I'm not biased, or he said something and he open-minded. Open-minded, he contradicted himself the whole time when he was like, yo, you're doing the opposite of what you said. What he said.

SPEAKER_07 51:46

Well, well, go go go back and listen to episodes and just come out with your synopsis. Okay. Am I open-minded to it?

SPEAKER_08 51:51

Hey, at your open-minded. What I've been thinking, you know, like when we go in, you know, are you white, you're Hispanic, you're I put white young. I see, I I'm stopping that shit, bro. I'm not white. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not even to be honest with you, real shit. I'm just this is just me. I'm not Hispanic. Hispanic are, you know, from Spain. Los Espanoles, that's what we got there. And I'm not Latino either. Latino were the Latins in fucking um in Italy. Yeah, that's where it all started. The Latins is from the language where we're like, because we speak the language of the Españoles. You're not Hispanic or Latin, I'm fucking native, bro.

SPEAKER_09 52:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 52:27

And I'm gonna argue with that shit anytime they I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, you know, they if for a good while when the whole political shit was going on way back when I was young, they changed Latinos or Hispanics, what I used to be brainwashed to say, real talk, and then they forced us to say we're white. Yeah, so that's the only option. They forced us, they really didn't force us to say we're white because they didn't go ahead. No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. Go ahead, explain.

SPEAKER_06 52:50

I'm just telling you, go ahead. Do you know why we're it's black and white, and then the ethnicity is at the bottom?

SPEAKER_08 52:57

Yeah. No, I don't know why.

SPEAKER_06 52:59

Okay, so back then, when we got our rights as Mexicans in America, they were gonna put us as black. So they put us under white. So we can to say that we were more accepted than blacks? No, so we can own, vote, and do all of that because we weren't black. So that's the reason why they only have those because they were not gonna make another brown another. They didn't want to brown. So so yes, they don't want to add a brown or a yellow or nothing else.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

So I think there so that's only three races, right? No, no, there's uh five or five, right? No, it's only I think it's only white, black, and Mongolian. Well, I don't know about the Mongolian, pero yeah, yeah, Mongolian.

SPEAKER_06 53:46

But I just called it well, yeah, but they they got hold up, you're saying there's only three. I think there's only three. I only see two, bro. I only see two. I see black and white in the the when you go fill out stuff.

SPEAKER_07 53:56

I thought it says yellow and red. Oh no, I think I think Tony's talking in general, like races.

SPEAKER_06 54:04

Yes, but I'm saying in America, in America, no matter what black and white, black and white, and then you're in the all the small ethnicities.

SPEAKER_00 54:11

Yeah, because that what they want to do is they really want to put you in a box. A box keep you there because that's the only way they can control you.

SPEAKER_07 54:20

But I think at this point I think you you have an option to leave blank. No, yeah, now you leave.

SPEAKER_08 54:25

But before that, back then that's how you can buy property and and do stuff um legally, but just like uh but again, but that's where the mentality mind shit starts where they're trying to force you to say you're white on paper, and then it it becomes the generational shit, you know. So they try to change. I'm just I'm being strong as shit, even with my kids. You know what I mean? It's like the I I personally feel they're trying to force us into what they want us to force us. Well, you're not black, you know you're not black, and you know, we hate the blacks or whatever. You know, you know, blacks are Hispanics, and that's the one shit. When I grew up in South Florida, I was one of the few that united the blacks and the browns. Yeah, like in my neighborhood, it's like and I was one of the lead, you know, the leaders of our little crews and stuff. So I was cool with all the black leaders, and I'm like, yo, no. You know how you see in movies if black and white, you know, if black and brown stick together. And I wasn't going against the whites, it wasn't that, but I was like, why the fuck are we beefing? Like, just because we're black and we're brown fam? Like, me and you were cool as shit. Like, what the hell? You know, there's no need for that crap. But still, when one got in a fight with one, it was like 10 on 10. It becomes natural shit. But it's like that's just it. They're trying to force us back then to be white. And I was fine with it. Like, yeah, I'm not black. Fuck, I'm white. And that's what they that's what they want. But now I'm at a stage in my mind, in my real life, like, I done pay, I feel like everything in my jobs and all my careers in the real world. I think I've earned the right to speak openly. Yeah. And I openly feel, fuck you. I'm not what you want me to be. I know what I am. And that's why I'm taking this whole native shit like seriously. Like, motherfuckers, all the Americas are natives, bro. We're we're Indian. We're indios, not with the dot, with the feather, you know, it's almost indios. Like, if if we came back in the freaking 1700s, we'd be the the Americas. Right, right, right. But now they got us thinking that the Americas is the whites, which I get you, because you've came in and you changed this this world of America into a place where we can, you know, uh fight with the world, you know, or or be a power with you know with the money and finance and shit. But this land was beautiful. It's still beautiful.

SPEAKER_07 56:34

So what what what is your thoughts on uh um Mexican on Mexican hate, man? Like, especially in Texas. I I I tend to believe, and I I agree with you, it's it's uh I've never lived in Texas, so explain to me the the hate. I I believe it all starts in the educational system, the government, what they're trying to push, right? Like push it with the like the people from El Valle from Texas, basically Texas. Um they convince our own people that they're white. Oh, that's how I see it.

SPEAKER_08 57:03

You talk about the Texans that feel they're more U.S. I don't want to say an American because that's a term they're used to. Right. They feel some Texans feel that they're more USA than they are American. That's where the hate lines are.

SPEAKER_06 57:14

I don't think that there's a hate. There's a difference between a fifth generation and a first generation. Not even that. Being a Texan, born in Texas, compared to anyone else born in any other part, born in New York, born in the Texans.

SPEAKER_08 57:29

But that started way back in the Mexican-American War, though. The Texans were their own shit, they didn't consider themselves Mexican or uh USA and fuck that American War.

SPEAKER_06 57:42

Well, again, going back to why um the Mexicans that lived in Texas, again, they consider themselves Texans. Yeah. Um so in order for them to buy stuff, that's when they considered them white in order to be able to buy property in Texas. So that's when because if it wasn't for that, then we wouldn't they wouldn't have been able to own anything or nothing.

SPEAKER_08 58:09

So that's why it started and they accepted it so that they can own shit.

SPEAKER_06 58:12

So they can own and they could take Texas or become its own or no joint to the US. So that's the reason why they were considered as white.

SPEAKER_07 58:23

That's very interesting, man. I know that it makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_06 58:25

But that's what I'm saying. You have to know the rules in order to play the game. To play the game.

SPEAKER_08 58:32

No, definitely. I mean, that's where we're at, where we're at, I think, because we've learned to play the game, but at the same time, we play the game, but I've seen you guys interact and act shit. Like, you're at a point where like I know the game, I play the game, like, bitch, this is what I think.

SPEAKER_06 58:45

But but going back to that, then now us, I know I haven't voted the last years. 12 to be exact. Well, hey, I voted for Obama the both times, but then I moved in between. But that's near the other day. We'll explain that later.

SPEAKER_08 59:02

Episode six, listen to it.

SPEAKER_06 59:03

Um that's cool.

SPEAKER_08 59:06

My wife gets mad because I don't want to fucking vote.

SPEAKER_06 59:08

Now, now it's it's us letting everyone know we we know you said we know how to play the game. Yeah. Now we're at the point where we can change it, but we have to get people to vote. Now I can legally vote here in Florida, yeah, which I couldn't before. Um get them to go and vote and change the stuff.

SPEAKER_08 59:30

Yeah, but it's like imagine them now talk like that's what I'm telling. I try to tell these young people, even in my job when I'm teaching, or at them like, look, bro, if I'm giving you this advice is because I've experienced it or I've seen it and I want you to learn from it, or take the advice and at least have it in the back of your head to try to improve the change at 50, like in your when you're 20s and your 30s. You know how much I if I had the mentality I have now when I was in my 20s, my man, like I'd I'd I'd be so much further, and I'd have other people around me so much further.

SPEAKER_07 59:59

But you probably wouldn't have been as humble, dude. You know, those those hard times.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:02

And it also comes um part where you live and where you grew up. Yeah, that has a lot to do. Because if you put an example like our schools, yeah, where I coached Leonard, yeah, it compared to Brandon over there. Oh, hold different. If you if you when especially when like our games, you see my girls, and then you see your girls. And it's like What are you trying to say about my girls, bro? Just say it.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:26

Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, I'll put it in the way. Hold on. I'm all years now. Go ahead and go dementia.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:37

I wanted to go deeper into that.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:38

Before we go deeper into that, explain what what you currently do now. Oh, and then and then.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:44

So I'm currently I've been teaching at a school, at middle school, at Matt Middle School for 25 years. So when I got into teaching, I went in there and I wanted to be a coach. And then after a while, I didn't want to be in that heat. So I like the air conditioning. So I stayed in the classroom. So I've been teaching there, but I've been coach, I coached every sport there for like 15 years. I I I was never home, which I'm still blessed to be married after that. I was I was getting home every day from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. Every day for the first 15 years. Because I coached throughout the whole year. I coached track, basketball, soccer, flag football, volleyball. Like I was involved in all that stuff. I didn't really do volleyball. But during volleyball is when the boys played flag football, so it was the same season. I did that for 15 years. Then I stopped coaching middle school when my kids got out of middle school, went to high school, then I started coaching high school. So I coached at Riverview High for uh one or two years when my daughters were there, then I coached at Brandon High School. Yeah. And then after my kids finished high school, I stared, I stayed coaching at Brandon, the girls' soccer team, which was there's no soccer players there. And that's the whole political shit, I think, or the people with finances. So at Brandon, all the top clubs here in Brandon, West Florida Flames is the top soccer club. And they should all be at Brandon. But they're not, but they not. Those parents that have the money to have their kids playing uh sports, AAU sports, have the finances, also have the finances, send their kids to whatever school they want. And Brandon, you know, it's it's um special. It's different. You know, it's it's a regular oh damn. I cannot say this without it. You know what I mean? It's the the regular people that don't have the finances to put their kids in AAU sports, or not the finances to put them in, to drive them there and to be dedicated. You know, me as a parent, my whole job was to try to find the finances to keep my kids in activity since they're out of trouble.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:30

Because we know what happens when you have daughters or sons that don't stay active, they you know do other crap. So all those parents that do have the finances that should go to Brendan to have the money to kids to play sports, have the money to drive them somewhere else.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:42

It's not as resourceful, it's not as resourceful.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:44

But if all those kids went to Brendan, we'd be one of the top schools. Yeah, yeah. Powerhouse. Powerhouse, because those man, those players are phenomenal. Yeah, but they go everywhere. They go to arm work for the collegiate program, they find a way to get into Bloomendale, uh, Strawberry Crest. They go to every school other than their neighborhood school. And that's what that's what happens there.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:03

What else do you do?

SPEAKER_08 1:03:05

Uh ref Oh, I ref. I'm a soccer ref. That's that's so I love soccer.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:09

That's how we met you. That's how we met.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:11

So I I've been ref in soccer for a couple years now. I don't even know how many. And I love refing, dude. Yeah. I love it. I love that joke. My passion is all of us from you. It's awesome, dude. From U8 all the way to U19 to adults. I even do the adult leaks with this fool tries to play. Back in the back. Now he runs his butt up. He's always sweating that day. Um he watched and it comes like, so I ref. So my ref. So now my what I identify a lot is refing. I I love it. I love soccer, dude. It's it's my freaking it is everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:46

All right, so so now we know where you work and what you do, and then this corner and and now, so okay, and we'll go back to the ref stuff. But all right, now let's go.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:56

Let's get into it and see what what he's returned to what you said. You have your girls who are different from my girls. Girl, yeah. They're different. Explain. You know what?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

I really want to see those little fucking videos that you make, or not the videos, but those little uh AI photos where people uh are are boxing.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:15

Oh yeah, yeah. Right now, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:17

We're gonna have to we have to promote what because like you said, yeah, due to circumstances. Get closer to Mike, go ahead. Where Leonard's at. Leonard is next to Apollo Beach. Yeah. All right. Apollo Beach is a nice neighborhood. Yep. Then it's next to Ruskin's. Yes. Which is getting somewhat better, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:40

Can I tell you something real quick for you continue? When I started coaching in high school, Leonard, when you came, I expected to see a whole different type of girls. Because when a couple years, I'd say about even four years to before that, they'd probably have, with all due respect, probably one white girl or two white girls on the team. It was all Mexican or Mexican descent or Latinas on the team. Which basically they came to the show. So when you came that year, because we hadn't played Leonard, like I think in two years. They took us out of our division, and you came back. That's what I expected to see. Lotemire con pura blanquita was like a very few Hispanics. I'm like, what the heck? Did it change? So it was the weirdest thing for me to be real with you. I expected to see the kids walking in with their flags and the pairs with the and uh and the whole it was I was completely surprised.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:29

And and then that's what I'm saying. And then compared to You had a mixture of everything, everything, yeah. But uh it goes to the class system, in my opinion, is the class system because your Caucasian compared to Leonard's Caucasian, different caucus different. Damn, deep, that's deep. That's so true. I these girls live by the beach in some million dollar houses or half a million dollar houses. You been to Palo Beach? Wow I've driven through it, yeah. Well, these other girls live in my white. Definitely privileged sound. Yes. In apartments and stuff like that. Even though they're Caucasians. I accept your explanation. And then we have our our African Americans, the same thing. Yeah, you're right. Most of the girls that live over here, they live in houses.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:15

So it became more than racing became about class and finances. You're absolutely right, because your white players look completely different from white white players. Yep. Even your black player looked different than my black player. Yep. My Mexican player was more Mexican than your Mexican player, though, so I went on that. Oh, fired again. Well, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:34

Oh, no, no, yours is real, but yeah, my two Mexicans on the team. Because I only had two. Yeah, yeah. I didn't have two, too. There were the girls I coach over here. Um, Delilah and Nini.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:45

Now that I think I'm talking shit, but I think yours were just as Mexican as mine, which I'll take that as a check for both of us.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:51

Yeah, they were like Mexican, like this guy.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:54

I'm gonna stay out of this one. But it was, you're right. Not that you bring that up and you're breaking it down, you're right. We had the same, well, you had a lot more whites, but regardless, you had more players in general, but you're right. Your white players look way different than white, white players. It came down to class and finances. You're right. And you broke it. I I accept it.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:12

So that was the main difference. And again, it was like where the school was located. But like you said, a couple years ago, these other two high schools weren't here. Yeah. Sumner and uh new um Morgan weren't there. And that's where all the other players went.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:29

Yeah. Hey, just to interest I'm fascinated with psychology, man. Does that um I guess uh geographic, does that translate into the soccer field? Like if if uh a player comes from a privilege uh, well, yes, because yes, because now is it is it is it a positive motivation? What is it?

SPEAKER_08 1:07:47

No, no, no, it's finances. Because those pairs that have the finances, they have the money to take them to a club where they get properly trained.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:54

Do they have the same drive though? Some of them do. So some of them really do.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:59

Yes, it can be a huge benefit, but that one kid that doesn't have the finances and loves it, he's out there or she's out there playing seven days a week. So they become better. But the ones that have the finances, even if they don't have the full passion, yeah, they have the skills and they have the knowledge of the passing and moving and not being a one player trying to take the whole stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:18

How does that translate on the field, though? They're more coachable.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:20

The kids that the kids that that have been trained properly are more coachable. Okay. Uh because they're used to someone telling them what to do, too. Where that one kid that plays every day on the street, you have to teach him how to play as a team. He can play as an individual because when you play street ball, you're trying to do everything yourself because you know it just it is. So you have to teach them you have more skills as a player, but not for the team. So if we teach you to play with the team, be a killer. Yeah. Be a interesting. Absolutely. Yeah, so it's it's different. And they're more um, they're in better shape because they've been trained properly. Oh, before we train, go run a mile. The street player just goes and plays. So he doesn't have the engineers. I used to have a player, Cumbia, Colombian kid, phenomenal player. Yeah, that bitch will play you the hardest five minutes of his life, and then it's like, I need a subcoach. Yeah. And I knew get that boy to rest, and then bring him back in, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:11

So there there is a difference between being in shape and being in game shape. There's a huge head.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:17

There's a difference between a marathon runner that's just running, running, running, and a sprint runner. And a sprint runner in game time. They even look different.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:28

They do shape differently, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:30

Yeah, so the sprinter, the cross-country runner, the track runner are skinny palos, uh a good midfielder is not gonna be that skinny, they're gonna have a little bit more mass, they're not you know, and they're gonna be able to know when to sprint and run and take the time and space compared to what someone that's just running up and down, running up and down, wasting that energy.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:59

You're sitting there all like and then they keep making runs and you don't give them the ball or whatever, then they shut down. They're not used to playing with other people properly. Yeah, which you know, it's like our national team. We pass the ball 800 times and get nowhere. You know, that's uh that job pisses me off. We pass, we have 300 passes in one shot. Like what? Well, no, you gotta learn how to school things as well.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:23

To what?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:24

As far as your your players coming from a different uh part of town and um like I said before, uh I had two girl teams, right? Two high school girl teams, like Leonard High School, and then uh Womama team. They were two different I one was really reliable and the other one was shaky. One I just told them, hey, this is the time, and they were there. The other ones have to remind them throughout the whole week. And they still show up late. And they still show up late. And want to start. And want to start, yeah. So, and then that goes down to culture. Oh, yeah. Our culture. I mean, like you, you're always like, I I I even told my brother, like, yo, every time we gotta tell Louie, we gotta tell him like 30 minutes ahead of time. That way he's there on time. Damn, Louie, he's calling you out, Louie. My cousin's the same way, I gotta deny that. That's true. I got I I got I do the same thing with my cousin. Like, to be here on time, I told him, hey, I'm gonna wake you up at 7:30 to be here, knowing that I gotta be here at 8. There's a phrase se usa in Mexico mucho.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:23

Tarde pero seguro. Yeah, say that shit to my grandpa. Yeah, how about SPT?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:30

Say that shit to my grandpa. He would have been like, Hey, listen, I I can be there on time.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:35

Look, you know that whole Tata shit? I got a small baby zoom. This is what I think. This is what I think of all that. Um I I started late, dude. Uh, this whole Tata bullshit. All these are are older, older kids, right? They're pretty much self-sufficient, man. I my youngest one is seven. So just that one alone is gonna drag me. So and I I like blaming your kids for your actions again.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:57

No, no, it's not.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:59

It goes uh deeper than that. Uh it always goes deeper. It it I grew up damn. I I grew up somewhat, you know, close-knit family, but uh, we were not always in the same place at the same time, man. That shit being late.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:16

That shit ain't Mexican. That that shit is straight Mexican American.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:19

I'm gonna keep my family together as much as I can, dude. We we go to places together, we could everything. So if I have to miss 30, 15 minutes of that, fuck it. I'll do it. I don't care. I'm not gonna leave him behind. I'm gonna bring him with me.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:32

See, that's when my daughter actually used to tear us up because we I have two older daughters. So one now's 26, one's 25, and I think my boy's 24, something like that. They're within that one age. And my middle child hates the way we treated my youngest boy because we would wait for him, he'd be late as shit. And she's like, You did him an injustice. You would make us all late because damn, you should have left his ass. Fuck him. My daughter tells us to this day, and she gets angry, dude. She's like, no, like even now, we'll all be together now when we all do get together, because they one lives in Colorado, my boy's in Fort Lauderdale, and one of my daughters is here. And he when we all he still makes us wait. And my daughter's like, fuck him, leave. One, he has his own damn car. Yeah, make him drive. And we're like, all right, fuck it. You know, so we're listening to her because she's right. We made him into a fucking baby because you know, yeah, everybody's always doing whatever he wants. And we would leave, and that motherfucker would not give a damn. He would walk real slow as we're leaving, taking off, we see him walking slow, not giving a fuck. Walking with his car keys. He doesn't give a damn in the world. He's on his time. He's on his time.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:34

My thing is if I can catch 10 minutes of dinner time with him, I'm gonna do it, man. That I think you triple, you quadruple your investment in the family. That's how I do that.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:42

I disagree, but I I think we did my boy an injustice by letting him get away with that shit to where now he's always late to work. You know what I mean? And it's the truth. And my daughters aren't, they're there earlier. Well, one of them is, and well shit, the one that works from home is always early. Yeah. But it's like we did, we've taught him the it's okay to be late.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:58

There's nothing wrong with working from home.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:00

Oh no, it's great. I wish that's that's what I'm looking for. That's the greatest thing. And when they took that shit away, oh my goodness. Oh, yeah. But whatever. But yeah, I mean, I think as much as I see what you're saying, it's good to be together, but we taught him wrong. Yeah. And it sucks. I wish I if I could go back to change something in parenting, it'd be that. You're not ready, bitch. You stay, but you're gonna clean this house until when we get back. The consequences. Consequences.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:22

Absolutely. Yeah, my kids all have they they're not just laying in a room, man. They got some chores they have to complete by a certain time. I didn't give my chores, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:30

Well, I have my my mother and father-in-law stay with us, so that's another thing that didn't teach my kids to do because they do have they're old school as fuck. Yeah, they're like, no, my you're my my grandson's not doing dishes. Go, I'll do the dishes. Oh no, that's painful. You know, but I couldn't say much because he cut my lawn, he did my edging, yeah. And you know, mom's cooked for us. Every time I would come home from work, me and wifey, like we busted our ass. We didn't have to worry about picking up the kids, we didn't have to worry about cooking. I would come home, my kids were already be home, showered, ate, my food's already on the table. So it's like whatever they did that I didn't like, I had to swallow it. Yeah. Because they were teaching my kids, you know, racing with grandparents. I didn't have that pleasure or that luxury, you know what I mean? I didn't even I wasn't even racing my parents. My parents worked the whole freaking time, for what I can recall. Yeah, like that. You know, we kind of race ourselves. So for them to have that blessing, I'd had to take a couple L's for them to have what I didn't have, you know. So it goes into everything's a kind of a balance. But when they weren't around, I beat the shit out of my kids. I straightened everything out with a coast coronavirus.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:32

I was looking forward to beating my kids. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:34

Three Cos. My only number of Cos Corona, that's a pop, never had to do nothing else. Quick. No bruising.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:40

So while you were at home and you since you say your parents were not there, then what would you eat? What would you make?

SPEAKER_08 1:15:47

Sandwiches, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:48

I grew up on sandwiches. What would you need? We just talking about what was those favorite Vienna sausages is we had no choice, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:57

That's that's how either you eat or you're going to be able to do it. Yeah, we weren't bed or hungry.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:00

We never eat. No, we were I was broke. I couldn't even pay attention. It was so broke.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:04

I really just think honestly bread with mayonnaise, bro. If we had none, and we had an avocado tree, so aguacate and everything, which was a flesh. You can't. I never complained. Just a little mayonnaise, a little aguacate, some salt, a little bit. Put it this way.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:20

We grew up tough, but I never realized we were poor. Yeah. Never noticed it.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:24

Yeah, I learned I was poor right around sixth or seventh grade. I didn't, dude.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:29

I'm pretty sure your mind changed when you took that.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:31

When I had my Jordans, that's when I knew I was poor.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:33

That five dollar thing. Give them that slow.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:37

We had a we had a uh in elementary school. I went here in uh Wim Elementary. Uh we had a Sandos workshop, right? So you you get to bring two, three, five bucks, right? And uh we all that we all brought some money. And uh I forgot to ask my parents, they have money, so my grandma gave me a five-dollar food stamp. Pink one. I still remember it was pink. Showed out to the Sandos workshop and they rejected me. That's when I realized I was fucking poor. That traumatized me. Decline.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:08

That's your real trauma. He says the church gave him trauma, but it wasn't there.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:14

You want to go there.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:15

Oh boy. You know what's crazy? I I never felt out. I always felt we were rich or we were well off because my dad, like my mom both, man, worked like crazy. I wouldn't see them all week. But Sunday, if my father didn't work, we'd go, he'd go spend three, four hundred dollars to eat at a restaurant. I wish he didn't do that now, man. Yeah. Because I look at him like just fucking throwing away money, but it's it was his way to like. But you were guys together, right? We were together. All of us, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:42

See, I and I bet when you do that with your family, I bet that you reminisce from that.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:47

I do, man. I do. And I love it. And we have to do that. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:50

I only had a few times with my family, with my mom, dad, and my brother's sisters. It was only a handful. Yeah. And I really were engraved in my mind. And I want my kids to know, I want, I want to normalize as much as I can. I don't want that, I don't want them to the yeah, I'm starting to volunteer a lot. Now I try, I try to get my kids involved as well. There are times we have to stay late. Yeah, you know. Yeah. But if I have the chance to sit down at least five minutes. Oh, yeah. And I'm sorry, Jose, I do get there late. I do admit that. But 10 minutes, man. I'll almost sit down and have dinner with them.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:23

To be real, that was one of the reasons why why I coached my kids. I was with my kids day and night. Like my kids even came to my middle school, which wasn't the greatest middle school, you know, and they was like, why are you taking your kids here? You can have them going to uh Barrington. That's what Barrington opened, because that was our neighborhood school, and I had connections. I'm like, because I want them to know what real life is like. They're not always going to be around newsome and fish hawk type of people because they're blessed that we put them in those situations. But I want them to know what it's like in the real world. Right. And my school is the real world. You know what I mean? So like it's it's the real world. It's, you know, poverty, real world. Yeah. But I need my kids to know how to survive and deal with those type of people, which is the everyday life. Because I don't know what situation or what job you're gonna be in. And but then I coached every sport. So my kids were with me. I would drive them to school, we'd be in the car together. I had some nephews living with me too from Miami, so that we were all together, five, six of us. I they'd be there with my school after school. They played sports, so we were together even after school from 4:30 to 6 or 4:30 to 8 if we had games. We were together the whole time. Then afterwards, I would go and eat McDonald's with them or whatever is not Taco Bell, McDonald's or whatever, and we would spend all that time together. So wifey gets upset with me, like you were never home. I'm like, I was with my fucking children.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:36

Which ironically will probably save your marriage, too.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:39

Um, yeah, no, it's her.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:43

You know, we have to recognize that we have to we we we foul up a lot.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. It was her, not pace, I think just wanting to keep family. You know what? Wanting to keep family. I don't think she didn't see that to be, she still doesn't see that. She sees me as just wanting to coach. She sees that of me just wanting to ref. Like as much as she's accepting to it as as she can be, she hates it. Yeah, she hates soccer, she hates refing, she hates coaching because of what I put her through of never being home.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:13

She hates the distance. She doesn't distance, yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:15

She, you know, she does. She loved that I was with my kids, but motherfucker, you can be with my kids and me. Yeah. Not just you and your kids. But I'm like, but why don't you come? Because I got fucking tired of it. You know what I'm saying? There was a part where she stopped going to the soccer. I'm like, damn. But I wasn't even thinking on that. I'm thinking I'm with my kids. I want to keep them around good people. So I was with my my relationship with my kids is so huge. We're like best friends in a way. Yeah, like I'm their father, but I feel like, you know, I raised them as good as they can because I was with the always with them. So they saw me being myself, but then they saw me being around other people's kids. They saw me dealing with coaches, they saw me dealing with refs, they saw me dealing with teachers, with principals, because they were at my school. So they saw me being me in the truck with my music, cursing the whole shit. But I was like, Yeah, how you doing? So they saw me play the white voice, as we call it, you know, you put your white voice on. And even now, my daughter will get a phone like she's going, hi, how you doing? I'm like, ah, your white voice. She's like, fuck. So I'm even trying to change that too. I'm like, why do we do that to not intimidate what my regular voice is intimidating? Like, the fuck? You know, but it's just like uh it was the best thing. So I have a great relationship with my kids because I was always with them. Yeah, and I think and being with me, I taught them how to play the game because they saw me coming for work how to play, especially when we go back home to Hollywood, and the lifestyle that's down there is different. Different. I'm a different person. Actually, as soon as I get into I cross over the what is it, uh, Gator Alley, I change the way I lean, I change my window pad. I it's like I become a different person. I don't want to I don't so I tell wifey I don't want to live down there because I I I feel whether I I notice it or not, I become a different person. I speak differently, my aggression is differently. I I just do. Yeah. And it's the weirdest shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:00

What is it? Gator, um, what's that show? Uh the guys, or whatever, uh Will Farrell, where he's like, I got a monster in me. Gator. Gator, Gator don't play no shit.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:11

It's just you, you know, we all have it in it, and it's like, I don't know. It's it's exhausting. I mean, but you know what's crazy? The problem is that I like it. That's the real problem that I would like being that person.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:24

Do you like it or are you comfortable with it? Because you can be comfortable being uncomfortable, dude.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:29

I like it, dude. Yeah, I do. I like being into that uh that aggressive mentality, like trying to walk in and like I wish a motherfucker would look at me. I do. I really do, man, because we were boxers. My father, we're boxers. My father was a boxer, so he had us hit that puncher back all the time. Me and all my brothers can box. So when we got into the like my father used to pay people to box us in our neighborhood. So after middle school got out, after every Friday, he'd be out there with cash. $10 if you boxed my son and you beat him. We used to do that in Matamoros. You know what I mean? So it's like, and you know, so all the Bordenitos in that neighborhood were like, oh, let's walk by that house. And you boxed. You know what?

SPEAKER_07 1:23:05

We never fought, dude. We took everything, everything.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:08

Uh we any problems we had. Do I fight? Okay, I guess I drew up a fight go. We fought a lot. My little brother one time, uh, he came. This was him in fifth grade, and me and my older brothers were middle school. I think I was high school at that point. No, I think I was eighth grade. He came home one day crying. I'm like, what happened? Who what you got? It's like, I'm just tired of fighting. I'm like, what? These fucking black people, bro. I'm like, what the fuck you mean, brother? What's up? So you gotta jump. He's like, no, I'm just tired of fighting. So I got in a fight with one kid two weeks ago. Then the next day I had to fight his brother. Then the next day he's like, Well, my cousin. And so I'm beating everybody up. I'm just tired of coming home and fighting. Let's like, I'm just tired of having a but we were good fighters, so everybody knew us, so nobody really fucked with us because we could all fucking box, you know what I mean? And we really were good ass boxers, so we like, you know, when you're taught, it's like a soccer player, you train all the time, you train Monday through Friday, Monday through Friday, Monday through Friday, and you never play a game. It's like the fuck am I training for? Yeah, so it's like we would always wish a motherfucker would, and especially if we were together.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:09

That's another thing we have. We would in New York, well, uh we I don't know when he was there, but I would go too and do the box, come in. Yeah, we would train the box and um mostly Puerto Rican. Um not that many Moranitos, but we all get along with everyone.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:27

Uh because we you leave all that grace in there, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:30

But the only time that that we had a fight and Jose would fight was when we were little, like middle school.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:37

Um because he was talking shit and got you involved.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:40

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We wouldn't we would just go walk home and they just start throwing stuff at us and we're upon him.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:48

Well, we were always fighting growing up, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:49

In middle school, I think my I would fight more in Texas than in New York. He kept pulling people's Mexican corridor. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:59

Yeah, because I had to take it away from those texanos. They talk so much shit like, oh, I'm more Mexican than you, but why are you talking shit about a real Mexican?

SPEAKER_08 1:25:06

Yeah, man. But like I said, I I don't want to live down there because I like that person. I want to use that person more, which is a weird shit to say, but I I do, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:16

When you retire, you could go use them.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:18

I told wifey, when I retire, I'll get a Mike Tyson tattoo on my head. I'm gonna get the Aztec calendar on my at the top of my dome, but she's like, but if I can get divorced, you're gonna divorce me by then? Like, yeah, I'm already one at that point. All right, it's like, but nah. I remember one time, dude. So like I said, I was in middle school. I I was never in school, so I had to go to summer school. Crazy ass shit. So I got into a fight with the leader of Black Panthers out there, and I beat his ass. I was like a seventh grader, he was an eighth grader, but these we had like 16-year-olds in our middle school, bro. It was so rough. Olson middle school. God, that school was bad, bro. So we were always fighting into different shit. I beat his ass because I can box. He was a big ass more, and I beat his ass. Then on the way home, so in the summer month, we get out of school like at 12, because you know, it's half day. And I used to have to take the city bus to go work with my father. So I'd go to summer school, he's like, Puto, you're still going to work, you gotta pass whatever. So then I would take the city bus to go there, and I was doing that. And then that one day got in a fight with that kid. I beat his ass. Walking to the bus stop, I got jumped by like probably 10 morenos. You know, so I had I got stomped up and I had a big night. I was all beat up, and then one of my tías, you know, um what's this quotation marks? My tías cocha who took me to Contra, I went to her house, like I mean, he thought it was all blooded up, whatever. After I got up, she cleaned me up, she called my mom, took me over there. My dad gets home like at 8 p.m. from working construction. He's like, Onde está este pendejo? And I'm there all bruised up and shit. It's like, he ain't asked me shit about my face or nothing. Oh, uh, he got in a fight and then they jumped me. I'm like, did you walk to your tía concha's house? Yeah. Did you get home on the bike afterwards? That they yeah. So why didn't you take that same energy to take the city bus and come to work pendejo? I'm like, damn, that's what I that's so that's the type of mentality that I was forced to have. No matter what the fuck, you gotta, you still gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah, whether job wise, whatever it is. I mean, it's I'm like, this motherfucker didn't give a fuck how fucked up I was. Yeah, but that's his mentality. He told me he used to get beat with cactuses when he was a kid. You know, I can't, you know, the sake of things. Yeah, his father used to whoop it when he didn't do shit, beat him with a cactus, bro. So it's like I so I tell my kids, now you think I'm rough and mean to you, which I'm not. You know, I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:32

I was like, I just got an idea. You gotta grow, you gotta grow the cactus first. I have some, but all those damn vanillas come and eat it. So you mean six of them every damn day?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:46

They come and like eat all the cactus. So that's the shit. The mentality of what our parents went through and we've learned from it, we try to make it better. But I I wish I would have raised my kids a little bit more like my father to toughen them up a little bit. I think they got it in them. But I I I USA'd them too much, you know, surviving this in this well because my kids are fucking, you know, they work in accountants and all that. They do, you know, you did did a great job, man. Yeah, you know, but you still wish I had a little bit of my father in them. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:28:14

That or you probably miss your dad, probably.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:16

Oh, hell you're like a motherfucker. That's why you yeah, he was uh he was rough. He was a I you know what? I've never accepted to this day that both of my parents aren't here. I don't accept it. Yeah, like what it's weird. I don't think about it. I don't know my the the day or the year my mother or father passed. I block that shit out, bro. I I block it, bro, because I don't want to accept or not. You know what I mean? Oh yeah, yeah. It's it's it's it's a hard like I get my eyes are getting teary thinking about that shit. I miss the fuck out the fucking stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:43

I lost my grandma, my younger brother, and my dad within six months. Damn. Like 2012, all three of them. Uh you just numb, dude. Yeah, you know what?

SPEAKER_08 1:28:51

And that's why that that whole uh what is it, the COVID shit. I I don't like those conversations because that's when my mother passed in. I think they fucking to be real shit. I think they they did it. I don't think, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think they they didn't they didn't let anybody go in there and see her, nothing. So they said, Oh, your mom, they put her in, they took it a couple, and then we had no contact with her, nothing. I think I talked to her two or three times while she was there, and it was just this is during the height of COVID? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:16

During the height of COVID, bro. Yeah, because only people the doctors were the only ones allowed.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:21

I know you we you met us at the club here. Yeah, soccer club. I think we seen you at the dynamo when we were there, but we didn't talk anymore anymore. Yeah, um how have you seen the club here change?

SPEAKER_08 1:29:33

Oh my gosh, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:35

When's the last time you were there first?

SPEAKER_08 1:29:36

It's been actually this year. I have I've been there probably three times this year, three or four times. I've been more at the dynamo field. I guess it depends on where my assigner has me, you know. Um man, the club. Man, I remember when I first got there, I was the only ref that could be there. These other poor refs couldn't handle it, you know. So that's where my Mexicanism was used to the fullest. They're talking with the people, the players, the coaches, the parents. Man, those kids, talented, right? A lot of talent. The game would start at 9 a.m. The best players would show up at 9.10. And they would show up and go straight into the game. No consequences, no repercussions, none of that junk, man. And but they would get in that game, and yeah, you you know, so it's a hard thing to teach. Um, oh my god, that junk was so rough over there, dude. But I loved it. Like I told you, I like that kind of that stuff. So I loved it. So I'm like, just send me there, man. I'll help us. Like, no, all these reps are complaining, they don't want to go. I'm like, ah, send me there every time. So I think he's not needing me as much over there as what it probably is, because it's been I don't know if the right words to use is cleaned up, but it's been um brought under control, but they under control. They they've learned to make the parents and the kids know the system that they have to follow. Why mama was always a problem with all due respect to the the to the club and everything. Yeah, the parents, the players, I don't want to say so much the coaches to a point, I guess they they'd have to take some responsibility. They were the problem. And I had to control them and keep a cool face with them and keep a good relationship with them so they would listen to me and respect me when I told them to stop being assholes or to stop doing whatever, you know. And the other team, I have to tell them, look, look, they're they're just accepted, you know, I'll control them, blah, blah, blah. Now it's the opposite. I think the last time I had two problems there, it was the other club that was the the coach. I had a huge issue with the coach. I'm like, bruh, I actually let you play later, whatever, and you're acting up. So it's actually been the other teams that are the problem now. I think the last two times that there was a problem there. So it's I just want us to clean up how people look at us. I I'm gonna give you a problem. People used to go to my mom and be like, all right, it's gonna be a problem. The pairs are gonna be a problem, the coaches, the players, the guys. Everybody would be warned before going there to play. I would warn the other team of what's gonna happen during the game. Like, look, these kids are gonna be talking junk to you on the field. They're gonna curse at you, ignore it, and play soccer. They're gonna try to pick a fight with you. I would warn the other teams so that they were prepared for it. Yeah. I don't have to do that anymore when I do it.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:03

Carl does a heck of a job. He he um These two fools he holds he holds these parents accountable. No, no, no, I'm gonna be real.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:10

These two guys have really changed not just the way I look at it, they they they see what we have to do to survive here. Yeah, and they're able to bring that because they have military experience, they've been here, they can see it. You know what I mean? So it's like we can live here or we can excel here. They're teaching the club and these kids and these parents. We need to excel.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:30

We're far where we're more consistent than this guy.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:32

This guy's there to a point where they're annoying. I I mean, yeah, he's a little annoying, but I'll take it. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:40

This guy's committed, dude. He he really is. I got it.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:43

As soon as I met these fools, real talk, like it was instant, like oh, what he's up.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:47

Yeah, I I I met you guys, what, two years ago? Three years ago? Yeah, I recruited you. Yeah, but I mean, I I'd go to the park, you know. I left the park because of the same reason. It was disorganized. I didn't like who I didn't like how it was being run.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:00

Yeah, you know, I didn't I didn't like the things they accepted to be normal. Exactly, yeah. That's the that's that's the best way of saying I didn't like the acceptance of it being like when I had my players, I had like my whole, like when I I used to coach at the Flames, I think I coached at the Flames for like 15 years. All the years that my kids played, they played there. Um I didn't I had to teach these kids how to how to do everything, you know. The things that I didn't like, I would change it. I would the kids, my best players, you would show up late, bitch. You're not playing the first either 10 minutes or the first half. Warm up. I don't care if we're losing. Yeah, you know, because I'm trying to teach these kids life skills. Not just how to survive in this fucking game today for two hours. I'm trying to teach you about life. You know, and it is like even in the classroom when I'm teaching these kids, more than teaching my subject, which is history, world history, I want to teach them about life. You know, so I I I use the school to teach these kids how to survive out here. The ones that want to learn, the ones that don't learn, I also teach them like life's gonna kick you in the ass when you're 18. Yeah. You know, and we let them get away with everything because the school system lets them, because they want to say that we have a 90% graduation rate. Bitch, you're passing them. They're not graduating, you're passing them to look at your numbers to get more money. Oh, you you have a 90% success here, we're gonna give you more money. So it's like it's BS, bro. They let them get away with too much nowadays, like on the soccer field or in the classroom. The disrespect they have more power than we have. Yeah. And it's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:26

Well, I I I like say I I've seen book, man, they're they're they're and I try to tell them as much as I can, man. They're they're a pillar of this community. Oh, definitely. Oh, definitely. Uh no, well, there was a point where you were kind of in doubt if you wanted to continue, right? Um, I'm like, dude, you have to stay, dude. You have to stay. I can see the difference. I can see the the impact you're having to the community. And I was trying to convince him to join the um president for the club for like two years, and lo and behold, he he did it. Oh I'm not trying to take credit, he did it himself, but then they try to kill me at dinner, at your dinner party.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:03

They poisoned my food, man. Oh, you're right.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:07

He's being a bootlicker right now. Oh, he's being a bootlicker right now.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:11

No, no, it's honest.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:13

You know, they need to hear that, dude. They need to hear it from both I was born and raised here, dude. And I think it's important from them to know.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:19

Yeah, and all respect to the ones that played their way, they had to do what they had to do to have players. Yeah, you know what I mean? But there's a point where you even them, the ones that let them get away with stuff, they needed it. So because if they didn't have that one or two really good players, they wouldn't recruit other players. Right. If those two kids, because I see it, there was one or two players that left to other clubs because they didn't like the how they were trying to make them do things, and other players followed them.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:43

So, you know, they had to do what they had to do at that point for the club, put away with certain things, like all of us do in life. You know what I mean? So, but I think after a while, you have to start changing it little by little, and then they'll enjoy it at the end of the run because they're gonna be more successful.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:59

Case in point, man. We had uh we had we just joined this fish hawk league, right? With the U Ten Girls. Um we started out what with six?

SPEAKER_05 1:36:08

Yeah, six. I said six, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:10

This is seven on seven league. Okay, uh, for like three or four games, no bench players, outnumbered, they didn't win a game, and just you start seeing the consistency. Uh one player invited another player, yep, and so on. The parents are seeing the consistency. You know what? We just played our last game and uh we were down 0-3. You ten girls. We ended up winning six to four, man. Whoa. We had bench players, we have plenty of players, dude. It was it's the drastic change, dude. That I think that team alone represents where the club is going. They weren't because I was there.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:45

They was like, oh my god, Coach Jose is back. Now let's play.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:53

But to see the progress, man, that is amazing, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:56

And I wish we had the light was brighting on me, and then they were like, oh my god, our savior's here, we're gonna win. Oh, did you bring food? Is that what it was? I didn't bring anything, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:06

Not even freaking talking about the victim, but I'm here.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:11

That's all you need. You just need to win. That is that is the coach's mentality. I feel the same when I tell you I'm at halftime at zero, zero.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:20

Oh, we want four zero. We're not one, yeah. That is a that's a coach of mentality. We do need that though. No, the club has, man, I I love and I've always I think when I met these guys, or even the other coach that I talked to, I would tell them like this is good, but we need to change this. You know, as much as you can tell them without one offending or two, then that's the pinnail because you didn't hear from me. You know what I mean? So it's like just enough because we have like and you know exactly what to say and what to leave alone and agree with them. I don't want to do it because they're in they're in the struggle. I'm on the outside looking in, I'm not there dealing with the parents and the kids. So they had to do what they had to do because of some of those parents, and then some of those players. I mean, they the parents had a lot of power back then. When I first went over there, parents had all the power. Parents were screaming shit at the coaches, and the coaches would listen to their changes. I'd be like, I'd like to be doing the opposite just to piss you off, bro. You know what I mean? But I mean, they had to do it because if not, they would lose that one player that would take three or four players.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:15

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:15

You know what I mean? So it's like they did what they had to do, but now the changes that are happening are happening at the right time and at the right speed. Because if you try to do too much, and and that has to be, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:26

It's the glory of all right, I'm gonna take my kid to this club or that club, that shit ends because of prices. Now yeah, because now it's it's a business. And then we were talking about the the county as well. Like, yeah, everybody else, you guys are treating it as a something that for the kids, the developed kids, teaching shit. Oh, yeah. Everybody else is treating it as a business.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:47

No, no, they are a hundred percent a business. Yeah. I mean, I remember when I was over there doing TARSA at the Flames, I only did Tarsa because I I was doing what the competitive teams were already doing for the price of 250.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:00

They actually threatened me because I had two teams and my teams were really good. My teams would go to competitive tournaments as a TARSA 11. We'd always be in the top two. I think once we were in third place. But we were always in the championship because my kids were that good. I was taking all the kids that didn't want to pay the competitive money, but have the same, and I had good ass players. But the point is, my club came to me and they were like, you know, we need you to go competitive because your players aren't coming to the competitive tryouts. I'm like, they can do whatever they want. I'm not telling them not to. I know we try to tell them then. They're like, no, they want to stay with you. So since they want to stay with you, we want you to bring your whole team competitive and we'll get you two or three other players. I'm like, are we still paying the $250 per year? They're like, no, no, competitive is, I think at that point it was like $1,600 and all this fees and all that. That was how long ago? Oh man, that was dude. My kids were probably U2. My girls were like U12, and then my boys were like U13.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:52

So now it's a little bit more.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:53

Oh, it's a lot more. And but they're not, they're just saying that. Then they're not saying the hotel fees, the turn, like that's a whole lot. It ends up being between three to six thousand dollars a year, if you're lucky. But the point is, I'm like, you want me to tell all my family members? Because these kids are my family members, the parents. I was having cookouts. I had barbecues at my house every weekend, bro. I'm tired. That's why I don't throw parties at my house anymore. I'm so fed up with them. I'm tired of it. I just want to go home and chill. So they came to me like, you need to go competitive. You know, I'm like, well, no, I uh I don't, I'm not paying. Well, it's like he's like, no, no. Your kids are gonna be free. Your kids are taken care of, but you know, the other parents, I'm like, so my kids are free. Well, I'm thank you for that. But then all these other kids who you think are just they're my kids. They're my I still talk to all these fools every day. Been, I go to their weddings, all that. Well, I hang out bike riding with my boys all the time. It's like, you want me to get their parents to pay $2,000 when they've been paying for the same for the same shit? I'm like, I can't do that. Well, then we're gonna be like, well, look, you do whatever you have. Well, we're gonna force them, you do what you do. I could go to another club. You know, the ones that want to come, come the ones that don't, you keep them, no problem. And he's like, let me let me get back to you. So I think he started asking them, what are you gonna do if Coach Ira, blah, blah, blah. Coach Rasma will leave. So and they're he realized that none of them were staying. They're like, they would go wherever not wherever Coach Erasmus goes, that's where we're gonna go. Yeah. You know, we're family. And they're like, they came back to me the next week. You know what? Coach it as well, we thought about it. Just keep doing what you're doing. These kids, you know, but it it wasn't because they're doing what I'm doing, they fucking wanted the money. And it was an insult to me to be like, oh no, no, no, your kids are free. But all the other 18 to 20 parents you have gotta pay thousands of dollars for the same shit. I was like, man, yeah. That's when I knew this shit. I tell everyone, like, this shit is political. Do what's best for your fucking kid. Because they're doing what's best for the club. You know what I mean? If you find a coach that takes care of these kids and looks out for them, and I used to buy them kids dinner every freaking game. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:48

So it's like that's kind of like what it is right now uh with mama, because you have kids that um that play here one year, their team does great, and then the next year they're like, Well, I want to go somewhere else. And we're like, I don't know, man. You shouldn't be going somewhere else because you have that attitude. But if you want to go somewhere else, go. Go try it. And the next thing you know, before the season's over, they're already coming back, like practicing with a team. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_08 1:42:19

Like, what are you guys doing here? You guys want to use me as a guest player next week?

SPEAKER_05 1:42:22

Yeah, yeah. You want to use me a guest player? I wonder why. You're not playing over them because you're probably late.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:26

And you're not listening, or you give an attitude. And that attitude shit, they again it goes back to here. A lot. Well, you should, you know, Tony, because of your kids' team, they have an attitude problem. Oh, yeah. I don't have an attitude. Man, there's more ways to show attitude, not just by the way you talk, but by your your body tone. Like you said, like over here with Louis doing his little hand thing because he's getting a little attitude.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:52

But yeah, so Or not just that, the parents don't realize how much they get away with here. Yeah. And not just that, the drive. Like some I knew some kids there, my mama would talk to the parents, and I'm like, and I would get my opinion. I'm like, bro, just stay here. Dude, it's like, no, no, they're telling me this that my kid's gonna be eating, so now he's gonna be playing all these different people are gonna see him. I'm like, look, they'll all tell you, but I mean, you do what you think is best, but think about the damn drive. They're like, no, that's nothing. I'm like, motherfucker, driving an hour and a half there and an hour and a half back after full stay of work, and you have to go twice a week. Here you miss a practice, they'll forgive you or they'll work with you. You miss a practice over there. Your kid ain't playing half of the game or the whole game. So you so it put a lot of pressure also on the parents that they never had before, not just the kid playing. They have to drive them there, and your ass better be there early. They don't give a fuck about the traffic.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:38

Yeah, because now it's an investment. It's an investment. So over here it's not an investment, it's it's like you said, wreck. Yeah, or even the competitive to the point over here is considered wreck because they're not investing that much capital into it. Uh once you invest a lot of capital into it, then it's like shit, man. Even with my daughter, when she was playing at Dynamo uh for competitive, it was like, God damn, man, I gotta I gotta make sure she's over there. I gotta make I I don't want her to miss. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:02

Because it's a commitment, it's a financial commitment on your part.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:06

Like, damn, man, I I could afford it, but do I want to? No, I'd rather have you pay.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:11

I'd rather I we look at it and we say, I would rather be close to home. We can afford it, but it's not about affording it. It's the time that I'm gonna spend away from other things that I don't want to invest in.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:29

And it's not, you know what my major problem with it is that all these kids that think they're gonna be professional soccer players. Oh, you wouldn't be here. Man, except thank you. You would not be here or anywhere, you'd already be in another country. Right now, if you want to. They pay for you, they would pay for you to travel to Europe or any other country to they'd have you, they would pay for you to be over there, but they the parents too.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:54

Like I'm like, oh no, mehit, I'm like they get brainwashed into believing that they're gonna be uh the next one they have a better chance of being struck by lightning twice. Not just that, but they like here, if you want to play pro, you have to be an MLS next. Yeah, if you're not a part of the MLS Next or the Academy, you're not playing pro. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're not playing.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:13

If you're a part of the academy, that's all you're doing. Yeah, they're not gonna let you do anything else.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:17

And I mean it, and that's this that's that's what hurts me that most of these kids really think you're the average player on the team. And they're even in my high school, I had a girl that never played soccer in her life. Freaking these kids lie so much to themselves and to others. I remember this one girl who had never played soccer. I kept her on the team because I needed numbers, and then she's telling me, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna, I got a scout coming to see me in the next game, coach, to put me in. I was like, all right, like, yeah, yeah. Oh, and I started playing in this league, and I mean he's just lying out of her ass, and it's like, and but she was serious in her own head, like I'm really, I'm really gonna get a college, I'm gonna get a college, so they're gonna come watch you, they're not gonna tell me where they're at, coach. But and they're serious, like you've never played, and you think they're gonna come scout you and you're gonna get a full right to college. I was like, they're so lost with reality, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:06

Yeah, and it's like uh and then all these kids always you know what? Dream, dream big. Nobody's gonna stop you to dream big, but at the same time, you gotta be a little bit realistic. Yes, you have a better chance of making it to a junior college team than a D1 college team. Because those D1s, they're already picked, they've been picked since they were 16 years old already. They the coaches already have the list, and just like us, they're already ahead of time. Like, all right, well, we're these are the people we're gonna keep from here, here. Um, most of the players, you think you look at them, they come and pick them from Florida. Why? Because Florida plays all year round. All year round, yeah. Like Western New York and all of them over there, upstate, they have a harder time getting to these D1 colleges because they they only play that one temporary time, or they're doing travel where they have to travel, real travel over there. You're you're traveling from state to state because and then you when I mean state to state, you're traveling down south where it's not snowing because that whole time from let's say from November to January or March, it's snowing. All those snow states, they all travel down to these down south states to play soccer because that's the only way they could get the advantage of being down here with these south states. They get to play all year round.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:18

You know, and some of these people that haven't been around soccer all their life, you know, don't realize like, and like you said, you don't want to kill their dreams. You dream big, play hard. I know if we keep feeding you dad, you're gonna keep playing harder because you think you have a chance, which is great. And some of them actually do break out, but it's so few. Yeah, but it's like the most of them need to know you're using, I think you should be using soccer to teach you about life. Work hard, practice, which means study, uh, show up on time, be part of a team. Like it teaches you how to be successful in life. Uh, but it's more than just a game. It is, it's a lot more than a game, man. Like, even the respect, like sometimes I hear some coaches some say disrespectful shit, and then I'll stop and like you're saying this junk in front of the kids, so so then your kids say that to me. What do you think I'm gonna do to them? I'm gonna give them a red. But then at the same time, as you're whooping their ass, I want you to be respectful about it. Act like you scored a goal before. You know what I'm saying? Act like you know how to win. If you fucking win and you're showing out and you're having a party, damn bitch, you're not used to winning. No, like and I would like call like show the same, because how do you feel if they start clapping in front? I'm gonna punch them in their shit. Well, they won't punch you in your shit, but that's the same feeling they have. Like, act like you know how to win. Put some, you know, and it sucks to say, but put some class in your win. Yeah, yeah. So that these fools come here like, oh, these Mexicans, they're good soccer players, but they're good people too. You know, they're they're they're they shook our hand. Like, don't just look, you know. Ah, you just I like that, man. Put some class in your wind, dude.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:49

Put your some put some class in your window. I would tell my kids don't know. I like that, dude.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:52

It's just being respectful of the game. Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah, it is. Respect. We have to frame that, put it in the parking lot. That's that's what um that's what I would tell my players. I would tell my players, hey, I I get it. Refs, I tell them all the time, refs aren't gonna get it wrong. They're not if we go somewhere, you're not gonna get a call, so don't expect no calls. You talking about me? Just no, no, no, I'm talking about you. Yeah, put some respect on my name, bro. I'm like, keep on playing until they they blow the the freaking whistle. Keep on playing. Don't say nothing back to them, just keep on playing. We're not gonna get anything. The ref is not gonna be the reason why you lost. Yeah, so the ref is not. It's on you.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:30

Yeah, even if you know what, even if they get a PK call they shouldn't have got, they should never been that close in the box. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:36

Yeah, it's all on the game. It's not it should never be like, oh, we lost the game because of the ref. No. You got there late. You got there, you didn't sleep last night. You probably went out to a party and stayed up till three, four o'clock in the morning when your game's at nine, and you're coming here late, right before the game starts. I'm like, come on, what do you think? Expect yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's on you. Don't don't be no one else but us. Don't don't try. Let's lose let's win the game in the field. If we lose it, we're gonna lose it on the field playing the game in songs.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:16

Like that, right? But no, but put some class and you win. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:21

Knowing the rules of the game and knowing what you can and can't do is a difference. Like sometimes they just do whatever and they're like, oh no. Nah, man. You can't. If you don't know the rules of the game, the referee's gonna know more than you know. So why are you even talking back? Yeah. Don't say nothing.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:42

And we we just had a meeting about this with the with with the whole debacle thing. And I know that's the message you were trying to translate, but but they don't get it. It's because again, we go back what he said, the these old and props to them, they've been culturally. Yeah, 20 years. They had to do what they had. They're probably paid out of pocket. Oh, yeah. God knows how much, you know. So credit to them. But they're they are used to the old the old culture, man. And we're slowly changing that. And I'll tell Carlos, don't expect them to understand quick, but slow progress is better than addressing the city.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:13

Well, they'll eventually, if they fall, they'll see the changes and they're gonna like them because they're gonna see that their children and their kids have a chance to succeed here, bro. Yeah, yeah. Well, not only that, succeed here, but if no, I mean it in here in I mean in the US. Oh no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:30

But um it's also gonna be like, yo, right now you're playing these games, and if they're closer, they're gonna be contentious. You know, there's gonna be causes here and there that you may not agree on, but be respectful. But if you go to a higher league that you're getting um promoted into, yeah, it's gonna be like this. Yeah. So if and those refs Oh, straight yellow, straight red, yeah, they don't care.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:55

They don't care.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:56

So we're losing the game when we shouldn't be like you shouldn't be talking back to ref. How hard is it to you already said, how hard is it to get ref to go here?

SPEAKER_08 1:52:08

Oh, I was the only one there. Like I was the only one that had to be there every game, and uh when I wasn't, there was issues out there, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:52:14

But not only it's hard enough to get them there, but in all the clubs is it's yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:20

Oh, it's a huge issue in all the clubs right now, right? The disrespect that these actually was crazy, the disrespect these refs allow, I think it's a problem. You know, I mean I don't I don't allow it and I show my presence and I stop it right away and I usually set the tone from the get-go. I set the tone from the get-go, but I also said it positively. I like this just this pass out. I went out there, all right. Whichever pair yells at me, you're gonna run a lap. So I I I joke with it, but I'm like, I'm not playing. Yeah, so they laugh, but they're like, oh shit, okay. He's laughing with us, but he's letting us know he's serious. I'm putting humor to what I expect from you, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:54

Non-threatening.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:55

I there you go. That's the only way to do it. Yeah, so it it works well, you know, and it was crazy at the end of the game. But refs don't hear too many compliments. Luckily, and I thank the Lord, and I put work into it now, and I show them that I care because I really am a ref that that loves it. You know, I had a parent at the end of it, I thought he was gonna complain, dude. He's like, hey, come here. Hey, who's in charge here? And it was from the other club. I was at that was like, I should be the guy in the green card going around. It's like, yeah, because I got to complain about, oh, what's the problem? Uh so I could like I I don't mind addressing if I F up, I f F up. I'm good with him. Like, what happens? Like, I'm gonna let him know why it's that we wait till the last game to get a good ref. I'm like, my man, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go find him with you so you can say it in front of me. You know what I mean? That feels good. But I I've earned that shit. I really do care, and I really do try, and I'm respectful about it, but I I enjoy it, dude. But then I see some of these refs, man. They do.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:48

You bring up a great point. Uh now, um, are some refs there because they love it or are they there to pick collect the paycheck, dude?

SPEAKER_08 1:53:55

Oh, well, I'd say 90% are for the money. You said I'm I'm there. I wouldn't I and my wife thinks I would do it for free. I do one game a weekend for free. You know, but but I've also given up, like coaches know, I would I've lost thousands of dollars coaching, man. Buying kids food, buying barbecues at the house, you know, paying for their tournaments when they don't have the money. I mean, yearly, when I coached, I probably gave away like anywhere between one to five thousand dollars. Yeah. With food, with tournaments, with clothes, which with everything. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 1:54:25

And stuff the parents don't consider it.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:27

Here, so they don't they don't see I mean at the same time, you don't want to say, hey, I paid for your family. No, no, heck no, because you're doing it out of well, because like I said, all those kids with my family, all these kids are family. You connect with them, you connect with the parents. You know, so now I I I'm I I do it because I love it, but I also enjoy the money. Yeah, I do I feel I deserve it. And it's the truth. I've put so much into this game that I feel I deserve it, but I don't disrespect it but by not trying. Right. You know, I uh as much as we don't ever want to admit, we want to hear compliments. Yeah. We want to hear that you're a change, we want to hear that you're good. And refs never hear that shit. I I'm not being kind. I hear that. Do that, Tony. I'm not a bootlicker, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:07

Let them know that they're doing a heck of a job. I mean, I should all those two, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:11

Well, you know what? I could call you a bootlicker or the other one. So take the bootlickers. What other one? What's another one? What? Lambahuevos. Lambahuevos. Lambahuevos.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:28

No, but we have some reps out there, my man, that just um.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:33

I mean, but even if they're there to collect if they weren't there, we wouldn't have a game. You wouldn't have a game, yeah. Yeah, they need the people there. So no matter what, you're they're needed. That's what I was trying to get to them that day that we had a meeting, because it's like you need them. If if a I was in the concession stand and it was towards the end, right? And they're doing uh the penalty kits because it was a USA championship game or semifinals, and they went to penalties.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:00

We're down to the last two kicks, I think.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:02

The ref he's telling our our goalkeeper and you just see him, he's still talking, he's telling him to be quiet, and he's the co-keeper. You can see him back and forth, back and forth. Back and forth away, dude. Back and forth, I'm like oh my god. He gave him the yellow, right? So I'm like, okay, let me walk. During PK's shit. I lucky didn't give him the red one. And we were done. We were we were down.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:29

Actually, he took out the red one, he had it in hand, but he was.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:32

But I'm over I was over there walking. Yeah, once I saw the yellow one, I started walking. I started walking. He had the red one in his hand. Yes. He was and I'm like, yeah, and the parents start putting their two cents into it, and I'm like, yo. Be quiet. Oh, you shouldn't be saying this or that. Um he okay, there's one thing. He said stupid, but it's in the heat of the moment. Yeah. You know? And I agree, he shouldn't have said stupid. But what do you expect? You guys are freaking yelling and stuff. But at the end of the day, he could have just said gave him a straight red yah, boom. Oh, you guys want to skip out? It's done. He was close to just calling off and he kept calling the game because they wouldn't stop. Yeah. And it took me to go out there and tell them, yo, we had to eject the parents. Yeah. You have to. You go, you're leaving, or else the game's over.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:27

Yeah. The game's over. We lose. Yeah. And you know what's crazy you say that? There was a point in Y mama where I had to threaten them every game, especially them U16s to U19s, every game. I would stop the game, call both coaches. I'm like, next little issue that we have, I'm stopping the game. I already got paid. This will be the final score. Well, I'm gonna call it a draw, depending on who makes the issue. And I had to, they didn't believe me.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:55

I'm like, I'd rather have an argument or a discussion with my head assigner or the state than to have you guys get into a fight and one of your parents get arrested. I'll have that argument all day and they can take my money back. I don't care. I don't want anyone getting arrested and I don't want anyone getting in trouble. So I would end the game. And I had to cancel like two or three games. And then after a while, they were like, shit, ref is serious. He's gonna cancel the game, and I'd walk out fine and have an issue. My assignment used to be like, as soon as that game is over at White Mama, you need to leave so that you don't have to report the fights or the issues that were happening. Yeah. And that was real. He's like, nah, but I gotta, it's like, I know they're your people. He would, my assignment would tell me about Yanni, he's like, I know they're your people, and you're trying, but you have to make a report, then I gotta make a report on your report, and then we're not gonna get refs over there. I'm like, all right, and I would still do it. I didn't give a damn.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:43

They don't understand that. They don't won't get a ref. There's no games.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:48

And there was a couple of times where I didn't go to the game center to ref when it when I started, and there was it's like, we need you. And it was actually the head assigner was it's like a fight broke out, like, how do you deal with this? I'm like, I just do. I know the people and I talk to them and I talk to them before the game. I stay and I talk to them after the game to be able to report so that they respect me and they realize that I'm serious and I'm real about what I'm doing. And I'm not just doing it. I I really cared so much for white mama. I did, dude. Like, I didn't. And the players would be like, I'm asking, I'm like, nomás porque los getaways, I'm gonna give you calls. Like, it's the opposite punk. Yeah, actually, you gotta get extra hard for me to give you five because everybody already thinks I'm doing better things for you. Yeah, you know, so it was the I'm like, you guys have the opposite effect because I like you. I gotta be harder on you so that the other team don't say, Oh, you're just doing that because you're Mexican. Oh, the Mexican ref is looking out for the Mexican teams. So I'm like, it's the opposite. I'm like, and I would tell them Los Quietos, but don't think I'm gonna give you a call. It's the opposite. You gotta earn your job. And I eventually I taught them that when I ref, ah, they all know me. I'm like, yeah, I like you fools, but I'm still I'm doing my job because I like to look good. And I like people to come here and be like, they got good refs. So yes, let's go to White Mama and play. So I think it was a culture that little by little, but man, no one wanted to go there. No refs wanted to go there, dude.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:05

And I mean, now it's it's it's uh I've been some refs um that I see when I was at Fish Hart, they'll see, hey, how you been, Los? Oh yeah. Like, good, man. Man, I've been trying to go to Y Mama.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:20

They actually Yeah, no, it's true. They'll be like, oh, where are we going to Y Mama again? I'm like, wherever they send us, bro. Like it's like, all right, but when you go, make sure I'm with you. I'm like, all right, what it's like it's a good thing to hear. Before, oh my god, Y Mama was a horrible name, bro. It was like, oh, we're gonna deal with the parents, we gotta deal with the fights, we gotta, oh, they hated it. They hated it. And now you're right, it's like, hey, that's where we're going to why mama. I'm like, whatever they send us, bro. You know, so that's a good thing that they're not forcing me to go there over time, which means it's uh, you don't want to use the word cleaned up, but it's it's uh cleaned up. It's a regular club. It's a club that you don't need to be warned about going there. We were warned every time before going to Y Mama. All right, you're gonna go right for Y Mama, be careful for this, get out of the game right away so you don't have to report now, blah, blah, blah. And I did and I stayed. And I talked to the people, and I talked to the coaches because I like building a report so that they respect me no matter what I say or what I do, even if it's not what you like. You know what I mean? So what's the stigma now?

SPEAKER_04 2:01:19

Uh they got good.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:21

The good thing is there is no stigma. Good, man.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:24

No, they know me.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:29

No, it's a true conquered door.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:31

No, no, but it's the true thing. When you don't hear about it, yeah, that's what you want. No news is good news. No news is good news. You're part of the norm. You're like every other club. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:40

To where before they think that that as far as ref goes, that that you guys belong to us. I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:47

Yeah, yeah, we don't have control over you.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:50

They're not my refs.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:52

And that's I get them assigned from someone else.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:56

Yeah. That's not unless your refs.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:58

I'm like, bro, that's not my ref.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:59

Yeah, we can't. Yeah. Those are the refs that are so every assigner, like my boy Yanni, he has three clubs he runs. Not runs, he works for. He works for Waimama, he works for Dynamo, and he works for Fish Hawk. So he works for them, and he assigns whatever refs where they're needed, he feels the most, you know what I mean? And shit, I'm like five minutes from the dynamo fields. So I'm like, whatever. Either I'm close to home or I'm getting tacos after the game. I'm good with either one. You know, and the other one, the hawks, a little different, but it's the same shit, you know.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:30

Amazing, bro. It's it's um it we need refs in order to have the game.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:34

Can I be real with you? Refs hate refing more at fish hawk than anywhere else now. Because of those parents is the truth. Now it's I'm being real. Now the problem's not dealing with the white mama parents, it's like with the fish hawk cocky attitude parents. Yeah. Is there a certain age? Oh man, that's all of them.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:54

It's all of them, but it's knowing like uh it's knowing the rules because sometimes they use a little shoulder and then ah, their baby.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:01

Yeah. So I mean, you have to ref every game differently. Um, that's the one thing that actually Yanni did teach teach me. I treated every game like it was a high-level competitive game when I first started refing, because I I know soccer. I grew up with soccer. That's not a foul, he's going for the ball. It's clean, blah, blah. He's like, Erasmo, taco. He calls me taco, too. He's like, you have to treat, you have to realize uh U-10 rec player gets bodied and falls, stop the game. Because those parents just want safety. They want to look out for the baby. Uh U-10 competitive game, let that play. But you have to make everyone happy. They don't expect that call in a high-level competitive game, but in a small rec game that they never played before, they worried about their baby. So change your mentality depending on what you're reffing. And that was a big thing that he taught me. That I treated every game like I was like, nope, that's not a foul. And I'm like, nope, that's not. Do you want to? I play soccer. So I had to change that depending on who I'm refing, is how I ref and what I let go.

SPEAKER_07 2:03:59

Do you notice a higher age group you you you get, uh the more the dads get involved, fathers?

SPEAKER_08 2:04:05

Uh as in As far as uh, I guess a dispute. Oh, heck yeah. Well, that's why my main thing now, from you 15 boys to you 19 boys, my only speech is conduct yourself on that field because your parents can get arrested now. I had like two fights when I coached, I think I had like two major fights where adults get involved, and that shit could be dangerous. So I'm like, if you don't conduct yourself on this field, that boy over there, he looks like he's 25. He hits you, your father's gonna come in, and your father's gonna get arrested for hitting a minor. So conduct yourself as such, trust me, to ref this game correctly. Yeah, because I don't want it to get out of hand. So, and I know soccer, so if I see a foul that's 30, I'm gonna call it. If I don't call it, keep playing. Because once you argue, you're liable to get somebody. And I tell them that's my speech with the older from U15 to U-19. I warn them that someone can get arrested for hitting a minor. Because your father will get involved. If this kid hits you and knocks you out, and it happens, adults get involved.

SPEAKER_07 2:05:03

How do you deal with a father or a heckler? As far as the heckler is.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:06

I stop the game. I tell them, don't talk to anyone's kid. And I'll stop. And if you do it against her, you're off the field. So I what's weird, I what is it? They don't the ones that have seen me ref before, are you know, but when we have these kids from other clubs that have never seen me ref or what I do, they do start saying stuff out loud, and the ball will come out and I'll blow the wheel. So everybody, wait, watch what you say. Don't get thrown off this field because you need to do not talk to anyone who is not your child. If I see you talking to a child, you're out of here. Because that's the biggest problem. Parents like, oh, he hit you, hit him back. You gonna hit my kid back? Now do you fuck your kid? You know what I mean? Do you call that parent specifically or do you just in general? I talk in general. Okay, I don't make eye contact with the person. So if I notice on this side, I'll I'll force that because I don't want to think I'm calling them out, yeah, but I'm giving everyone a warning. Okay. So I don't make eye contact, like I said, I don't deal well well with that shit. So it's like I make sure I don't make eye.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:04

I don't make eye contact though, so no one feels like a lot of people. Yeah, the reason is because I'm slowly learning how to do how to do it.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:11

Situation learning to be a heckler. Yeah, but no, there's a lot of it, and you know, and I'll call it out. I'm like, no, that's not a foul. But I never make eye contact. I'll talk to this half of the field or that half of the field. Or if it's on both sides, I'll say both of them. Yeah. You know, and I'll no, so I don't make eye contact, and I never talk to a person directly. I try to do the whole thing because no one wants to be called out either. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, no man deals well with that shit because we're adults and we don't want to be talked to as a child. So I right I put respect in what I'm saying, but I always try to say, like, look out for the kids. Guys, let's make sure we don't talk to anyone's kids. Let's be safe out here, let's have fun, enjoy soccer. And I keep I try to keep it clean, but let them know stop that. Like you're you're an asshole for doing the things that you're doing. But they don't see it, man. Some parents are used to talking. So when I do that, oh, there was one that I, oh my God, at Dynamo, I see freaking parent saying, oh, that's not a foul, it's not a foul, sir. Let's keep playing, let's keep playing. He don't know nothing. I'm like, look, sir, I'm gonna get paid either way. So I'm talking shit as I'm revering. And then he kept saying something, I'll stop the game. I'm like, what's the problem, sir? You don't want to be in this game? It's like, no, well, if you make the right calls, look, the call said I'm gonna call, I'm gonna call. You don't like it, leave. It's that simple. You don't have to be here. I have to be here. And I did make eye contact with him, and that's the problem. Try never to get into that to stop the game. And I got into him like, if you don't like it, sir, you can leave. I'm getting paid while I'm here to watch my child. You keep acting up and dressing, you won't be watching your child. I want you to watch your child, but I need you to stop. I blah blah blah, leave. And then all the parents are like, You don't like it. I kept saying, if you don't like it, leave. And then I started the game. And he kept talking, if you don't like it, leave. So I was, and then the parents started, if you don't like it, leave. They started singing with it. It was like, it was so you know it was.

SPEAKER_07 2:07:49

So did that escalate things?

SPEAKER_08 2:07:51

Or I think I kicked him to his car. I think I stopped the game because he didn't stop. I'm like, now you're disrupting the game, so you gotta go. Did it did it? Did it no did it de-escalate the situation? He kept talking, but it's simple as shit, you know. Yeah. Once they leave, yeah. Yeah, once they leave. Like, I don't, I don't really care. I don't really so the thing is with the ref, you want to not to have that interaction with them. You want to avoid that at all costs. Yeah. Just because you just do. You know, you don't want to be part of the show. You want to control the show. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, I mean, it's happened probably two or three times for me where I did actually get into it, but it's because they were dearing disrespectful. You know, they were they weren't putting any respect on my name. You know what I mean? So it's like I had to let him know so that all the other pair, like, okay, don't mess with this ref because he will, you know, but I try not to.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:34

Believe that you probably have to do that very carefully because you don't know who's a hothead and who carries who's uh got concealed weapon under in the car. Oh, no, definitely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:43

Well, it's like I told the parents, I'm like, when have you seen a ref reverse his car? No, you can't here.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:51

And that's the real talk where you said that. I made a bad call one time out of all the times. Now I met a couple, you know, and I mean bad or good. There's no. No, and I and I know it. I'm like, damn, I shouldn't have called that. And then the coach is saying something, I'm like, Coach, that's what we call. We keep going. And then at halftime, I was like, Coach, I let you know something. I probably I don't admit it. I said I probably made a bad call, but I couldn't change it because the flow. Now, after you screamed at me, you were disrespectful. If I change it then, everybody thinks that they can scream at me and I'm gonna change the call. So I can't change it. So, you know, when the coach is like, all right, ref, let's just watch that, I'm like, look, I appreciate you being respectful. I messed up, I apologize. Yeah, I'm glad you kept it going. But the ones that are assholes about it and keep going and going, I'm like, I'll say, I'll tell them like, look, if you weren't so vocal about it, I might have stopped found a way to give you an advantage or something. But after you're disrespectful like that, I can't, coach, because then they think they can do it. The players and the parents. So even when we're wrong, yeah, we we can't change the call. You can't. Now there was one time that I did change the call. I'm gonna be real, I made a bad call, and I after I'm like, man, I messed up. And then I'm like, I blew the whistle and I call my AR over. I need you to act like you're telling me that you saw something different. So this is what I caught, but I know I made the bad call. So I'm gonna say that you saw you good, are you good with that? And they're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead and do that. So I'm like, all right, no, my AR saw something different. I'm changing the call. But I knew I had messed up, yeah. So I used my because if I'm like, oh no, no, I messed up. Like, no, no, this is what I saw. Yeah, what was the outcome?

SPEAKER_07 2:10:21

What was the outcome? How did the the parents react to that? They handled it, you know, they're not they don't know the difference. They don't know the difference.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:27

Well, because you know what? Because I did make the wrong call, yeah. The other two was like, no, but you called it them, like I understand I call it, but my AR had a better view. Yeah, and I'm going with my AR. Yeah, and that's so they they that's it. And I and I keep it moving and I try to ignore all the little talking that happens, I keep going, and then eventually they forget it and they go on to the game. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 2:10:46

So but the majority of the time those calls don't get reversed.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:49

You don't never no so like I said, I've learned when I do have some question about call my AR over and I'll be like, and they're like, I didn't see them. I'm like, I know, but I know I messed up, so I'm gonna say that, you know, so it's you're you you find a way to I found a way to fix when you know it goes by so it's a teamwork though, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:04

It makes it better, it is but oh um that's what I was trying to explain to the to the not only coach and the parents. I'm like, yo, once they make the call, it is because it supposedly the goalkeeper jumped, and then that's what started. Oh the yeah, before he hit, and I'm like, he called the yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:22

There's nothing. Be honest with you, I'm not buying. I I he was jumping, dude.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:26

Well, it don't matter if he did or didn't.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:28

The ref made call. He did, and he warned him first. He warned him a couple of times before he even made that call.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:34

I don't know if he warned him or didn't warn him, but he he made the call. The call was made. There's no going back.

SPEAKER_07 2:11:39

No, they their argument was that the other goalie was doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:43

No, that was the the moving and talking. Um but the ours was doing it, but he was talking, and then the ref turned, hey, focus, and he was talking back to the ref. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:58

That ain't never as he's walking away.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:00

And then they just back and forth, back and forth. I'm like, bro.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:04

Let it go. You're not gonna win, yeah. You're not gonna win.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:07

And that's what escalated everything else. But I'm like, we didn't even have to go this far. You could just stop it. And I talked to them before the game, I'm like, yo, if you have anything to say to the coach, talk to your or to the ref, talk to your coach, let the coach know. Yep. So he could address it with the referee. Yep. And then I was I before the game I addressed them and the referee came around and the dude was the coach was trying to say that I brought the referee there. I'm like, no. No. I was already talking to y'all, and then he arrived and he heard when I told them, hey, uh, if you have any issues, talk to your coach, then talk to the ref. And he was saying, Oh, that gave the referee the power to do whatever he wants on the field.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:51

Bro, he's the ref. He's the ref, he has that power. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What?

SPEAKER_08 2:12:56

Yeah. Like, yeah, but these these refs are human, man. They uh they're vindictive. If you you're if you're a crowd or a parent that does, they'll remember that junk. If you're a coach that's respectful, they don't forget it. No. I try to I try to be friendly with everybody.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:11

You have to, man. What do you think of because you said you've been there with mama forever before I was there? Yeah, yeah. What do you think of the girls program there?

SPEAKER_08 2:13:20

Oh man, those I I love them girls, man. Especially the little new young ones that are coming up. You see so much talent, man. And you see the parents' support. That's what I've seen. Them little young girls, the parents can see what they have there, especially when they have these other clubs come where they go to other clubs, and you see the pride in the parents' eyes. That's just nice. That's real nice. Because but they see it, they're not just proud of the soccer, they're proud of how they're representing not just the club, but the culture, to be real with you, because we're we're we're mainly Mexicans there, you know, and I can see it. And the pride of like, oh, I'll be that like and I'll tell them like nah that little girl's good, like it's like and you could just see the the level that's getting so much better of the playing in general as a team. They're playing positions. You don't have the best, because there's a best player. There's easily one or two top players at the little young girls, but they play as a team. Yeah. To where before you didn't see that. You said that top player trying to do everything. Then I see the top player playing different positions. I like that because it's teaching them, well, before you scream at a defender, you need to know how hard it is. So I I see the parents, I see the coaching, and I like the I like seeing the respect of the game from the coaches. They don't just, they're not just looking, they're respecting the game in general. Yeah. And they're, you know, in a way politically correct about their going about everything. You know, it sucks to say they're not so Mexican about it. You know, and I hate saying that.

SPEAKER_07 2:14:50

You know, it's just some some of these parents are learning about soccer, how with the rules, the stuff though, especially the way they they coach.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:58

Yeah. Well, it's like when you go to the adult league over there, I used to take my kids to the Gulf, what is it? Uh, in Parsons? Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:05

That's the one that Tony used to go to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:06

I used to go out there. I used to take my boy, I used to take my U-15, you 14 boys out there to play violence, bro. Every game. Vice, every game. So it's nice to see them being taught a uh a new game, you know, respecting it, you know? And I love that junk, man. I love it. Like I I said, the fact that they don't need me out there every game now, it sucks for me because I don't get to see it, but I'm glad it's happened, you know, because they used to need me there every fucking game. So it's nice, brother. I love it. Awesome, man. Keep that junk going and keep it in that right direction, man, and let's let's let's change that culture, man. I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_07 2:15:44

Awesome, man. Thanks. Uh hey, Tony? Carlos?

SPEAKER_00 2:15:47

What I always say, no te metas, study my life. That's deep. Nothing.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:55

Depends who it is, yeah. We could probably do this next time, do like a part two where he could go more into the state. Absolutely, man.

SPEAKER_07 2:16:03

Hey, you're I'm I'm I'm so much being educated here, man. So much, bro. Hold on, I'm about to stop it. It's gonna stop by itself. Hold on, hold on. All right, go ahead. Um, yeah, man. So we'll we'll love to have you back, too. I love it, dude. Y'all let me know.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:20

We'll figure out a day when I'm available, and uh especially during this doctor's actually dying down a little bit now, so we'll have time and I enjoyed it. We all got we all got so much to say. When a different mindset comes in, it changes everybody's questions, you know what I mean? So I got, you know, and we've all lived different. But me growing up in South Florida, I'm sure I have a lot of different stuff than you guys have, depending on where you're from.

SPEAKER_06 2:16:41

So yeah, it's well, not only here, man, uh being able to probably before the season take you do like a town hall where you could be there and talk to parents and freaking explain your everything. Yeah, that's a great idea, man.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:56

Yeah, the side, I mean, side of you know, teaching, I'm a teacher. Yeah, so working with these kids and what I'm trying to do, and then also the refing and another so that they see what we think and what I think and what the refs are saying about what you weigh, the way you act, definitely, man. I'd love that. I don't have a problem. I love helping, I love doing anything to help our culture, bro. That's the real. Yeah, you know, and that's that comes in from always not feeling accepted. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 2:17:22

So I know we have the talent. We have the talent, and oh heck. It's just that the talent moving it all in the same direction. It's not our what they think of us and our talent is not the same, but it's a little different. When I want uh our talent not only to um to be picked up, well not only that we show our talent that we're very, very good, but the way people think of us as a club as well.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:52

No, definitely, and that's huge. Like I said, the way they look at it now, I don't hear the name why mama anymore, which is a compliment. Yeah. So we're all our ref meetings, or anytime I talk to a ref, they're like, oh my gosh, that why mama, that why it was always that talk. And I had to defend it to a point, you know what I mean? And now I don't hear the name why mama.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:13

Well, I want them to hear it, but be like, hey, these teams are very good.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:17

Like oh yeah. So they're like Well, you know, they don't know how to give compliments, so they're you know, the the system's quick to tell you when you're not doing something good and they'll remind you, and when you're doing something good, they just shut up.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:29

You know what? Win is the ultimate equalizer, man.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:32

We keep showing up like we did in Fish Talk yesterday, dude.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:35

Hey, but remember, put some class in your win. I like that. That's it'll be on here next time you can. Do it. Put some class in your win and represent us well, man. Yeah, or else I'll bring the concidors in.

SPEAKER_07 2:18:47

Episode what, seven? That's a that's a reference from a previous episode.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:53

He's not even spelling it right. He he put uh conqueror instead of Concordor.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:58

Concordor.

SPEAKER_06 2:18:59

It's with the two K's.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:00

No, I can't put it in there. Yeah, because we don't have a three.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:02

We don't have three in there. I'm good with that one. Concordor.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:10

Yeah, man, let's do it. Next time we'll have some questions, so we'll go out there and talk to the people about the stuff. Yeah, we'll do both anything, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:19:17

Set that up, man. Uh do a like set up meeting where town hall with all the parents and freaking they got questions for us, for you. Oh, for the refs, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:19:27

We should almost make it mandatory if the kids want to look at it. Actually, they should. No lie. That way they have that perspective of the ref of what's get ahead of this situation before it gets out of hand. I don't know. I'm the president.

SPEAKER_05 2:19:38

I might be busy somewhere, so the president over there.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:43

All right, let it be known that we'll make it happen, brothers. What do you what you're what do you go by? Yeah. Erasmo taco. Taco. Tacos in your mouth. That's my poker name. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 2:19:59

Taco. All right. I like that. Hey, speaking of tacos, uh best uh what restaurant that you eat here at Win Mama.

SPEAKER_08 2:20:07

When I go to my mama, I always go to Los Angeles, the one right there. All right. I like it there because it's nice, it's chill. I hear the the what is it, the flies being popped every second, but I like that chunk. I dare eat a pop, pop, dropped it for it.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:21

We've been talking about trying to trying to do a remote show in one of these uh tacos things. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:20:25

I love I always see that Los Angeles. That's my little spot.

SPEAKER_06 2:20:27

Well, last time we were we tried to do one going to the range, the the um the pistol and rifle range, but deleted.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:37

Somebody deleted it. Someone deleted it. The producer dropped the ball. Damn. It happens. It happens.

SPEAKER_06 2:20:44

But yeah, no, you want to go with us too? It's funny. Let me know, man. It's fun, it's really fun.

SPEAKER_08 2:20:48

I don't shoot, I stab, so I learned to shoot.

SPEAKER_07 2:20:52

We have a we have a great instructor that would uh you know, you know that one scene with uh with the um ghost with Patrick Swissing demy more. You know the Hunter, he'll get behind you, man. He'll make it nice and sexy and yeah, I don't think I can make it anymore.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:07

That's how you learn. That's how you learned. Unfortunately, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:21:19

Hole in the wrong place. Thanks for coming. Yeah, man. Thank you.

SPEAKER_08 2:21:25

I appreciate you guys inviting me. I'm glad I had the time to come out and uh let's make it happen, man. I enjoyed it. Let's do it. Guys, let me know. Keep it classic, baby.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:32

Keep it classic, baby. I love peace and taco grease, guys. Um Wednesday. See you. All right, see you.