Special Edition "The Lost Episode" part 1

We're taking it back to the beginning with the pilot episode of The Wimauma Wire Podcast. We'll be back in the studio soon with all-new episodes. Until then, enjoy where it all started!

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another Way Mama Wire podcast. Due to scheduling conflict, we were unable to record a new show. But no worries, we'll be back full swing. Tony, myself, Carlos, Jose, and perhaps JJ, Casper the Ghost. So grab a beer, grab some coffee, some tea, some water, whatever the case, and enjoy this episode, which happens to be one of our first episodes that we ever recorded. So if we sound insecure, quiet, nervous, it's because we're all work. Well, I wasn't. I'm a professional. And the others, eh, you can make your own assessment. With the exception of JJ, which makes great points and by far probably his best show today. So enjoy his takes. Enjoy Tony, Jose, the Concordor, Carlos, Nino Kere, and myself. Yours truly, your host, Louie. So enjoy the show and shout out to everybody who supports and listens to the show. We thank you so much. Please stay tuned for our next new episode in studio. We promise you, we guarantee you. It'll be out soon. Thanks a lot. Again, enjoy the show. Let us know what you think. Follow us on our social media. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

It was in high school and they uh they had like my Johnson this, and it was like I don't remember. I remember like there was a bunch it was a double on Tonja, obviously, but it was just they got away with it because it was just vague enough where you can get away with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23

Nah, the only Johnson I know is Johnson and Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Baby oil. Why did that come so quickly and naturally to you?

SPEAKER_00 1:31

That's just uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Hey, that's the only thing that comes when they say that name. Not Don Johnson, like the actor or something else like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

Shiny baby oil. You know, we all used it at one point.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Tony has uh uh Jose cornered over there, man. He's not gonna let you off the hook, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Just go ahead and get used to being uncomfortable. It's all good. What did you guys say? Embrace the suck, what isn't that it?

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Yeah. Embrace it. All right, Cabrones. What's the name of the show?

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Well, I don't know. What did you say, Tony? I was just talking shit all the time. That's just Tony and three. Talking shit. There you go. Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Talking about Cagapalo.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

El Caia Palo show.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Actually, not a bad that's not a bad title. It's not a bad name.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

It's original. Let's start with Mr. Silent over there. All right, Carlos. Que paso? First of all, Carlos, let us know your full name, a little bit of background, man. What's up, man? My name is Carlos Alfaro. Um, born in Monterey, Nuevo Leon, Mexico. Came here as a little kid, migrant um parents, joined the Marine Corps as soon as I graduated high school, retired, and then now work for the government. That's about it, man.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Tony. Uh first name is Jesus. Last name is Valdovinos, born in Colima, Mexico. Got here when I was three, just traveled around the country, and then we settled here in uh Florida. Jose.

SPEAKER_04 2:58

Similar to Carlos over there. Uh name is Jose Alfaro. Barrios. By the way, they're they're brothers. I got a uh second last name. He does it though. It's a very important to know that. Oh, the second last name is what makes it I got I'm real because I have two last names. Yeah, Mexican. So you have more explaining to do here. Okay. Uh same thing as him, born Mexico, same parents. Que parte Mexico. Monterrey, same place. Um, joined the Marine Corps as well, just like he did. Uh got out, came here to Florida, do the same thing, work for the government, now I'm here and with mama.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Well, it looks like I'm the only one not born in the motherland. That should be the real Tejano, Jose.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

And you are, man.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

I'm the way Mama Nadian. Can't beat that, man. That's a rare breed. Anyway, I'm Luis Alberto Rodriguez Morales. And I was born here, love music, drummer, obviously. That's it. Nothing special. My sisters both were in Matamoros, but my summers were in Mexico. So I lived basically on both countries. Never really migrated anywhere. The only time I moved around the US was my early 2000s, where technically I toured music and work. I was in Texas, California, New York, Virginia, all the East Coast, all the Tejano, Valle, your peeps, Jose.

SPEAKER_04 4:14

That's Carlos people, man. 956.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

956, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

But other than that, I haven't really I don't I've got to Okay, so you just when you did when you I'm visualizing this. So when you when you toured, you went east coast down this way and then up west coast, but you kind of missed the middle of the part of the country. Correct.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Yeah, there's uh that's that's basically where our people are at, uh, Latinos, at least uh back then. Now it's it's pretty much everywhere, even Toronto, even uh my one of my favorite bands, Mana, played in Toronto for the first time in Canada. Uh both Montreal and Toronto, and I think that says a lot about our Latino family. They're they're expanding everywhere. In fact, they played in London uh this past uh winter. So they we're we're pretty much everywhere now. It's fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, years ago I started having families asking me to get uh residency in Canada. They don't want to be here in the US. They were just using this place as the transitions uh space. Was this before this political environment or way before this? Way before this? They were asking, how can I uh become a citizen of Canada? We don't really want to be here. It's just we want to make some money and then move to Canada. We don't want to be here.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

If you don't want me asking why, what was the reason?

SPEAKER_00 5:23

They just said they didn't want to be here. Like they didn't like the uh it's just not a place for them. Um and they were migrant workers, so it was kind of odd that they would want to do that. But to me, it was like, well, yeah, but I'll help you get you what you need to get.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

When I when I think of Canada, I think manufacturing jobs or or I don't really think of farm. I'm not sure, I'm not too familiar with Canada. I know with the you know, it's a good segue because we're gonna get into all this political environment and and sports, but I know with this new NAFTA deal, it shipped a lot of these or outsourced a lot of these manufacture jobs from the US to Canada. For example, my favorite car, Mustangs, part of it's made in Canada now.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Is it gonna be more expensive or not?

SPEAKER_02 6:03

Well, look at the prices now.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

I haven't priced a new car in years.

SPEAKER_02 6:05

It's crazy. It's crazy. I can't afford it.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

You're gone too soon, aren't you? You're gonna buy a new car soon? I buy you. I don't like uh hate buying new cars. How's your car? Still a piece of crap. Why everybody's so serious, man?

SPEAKER_02 6:23

I'm waiting for y'all to finish talking so I can say something. Jump in there. This is like one kind of aspect. Come on. That's that's what we want. Carlos, go ahead, man. So I know you were talking about um people um like being in the south, and that uh you didn't see that many going up north. Um man, we would move in the 80s? Mid eighties? Yeah. It's when we went up to western New York. Man, it is cold. That's right, you said Buffalo, right? Buffalo, yeah, man. I love it. Well, I don't know. No, not for me. I'd rather be in the valley. I enjoyed it. Um but there's a lot of uh farms, um apples, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:15

Uh pepino, pepino, cebolla, or tomate, pecans.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

No, no, I don't think uh I don't know. Oh no, pecan is more California, I think.

SPEAKER_04 7:27

They love the repollo out there.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

Yeah, a whole bunch of cabbage, a whole bunch of tomatoes.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

So trust me, I was there. I think it's just really fascinating. You guys when when you talk about the the vegetables, you straight go to Spanish. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

Well, I mean that even you're there, you say tomates. Yeah, I mean it clicks back to when when you were there. And then all the workers there, they're like, hey, I said esto, eso, yes, and I don't know. La pizca. Yeah, so it just clicks back like it's auto. I hate fucking potted meat.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

But yeah, man, and I'm pretty sure it's the same thing in Canada, because it's it's not that far. It's um mostly westing, but Toronto, no? Yeah. Um well Niagara Falls, I mean the other Niagara in Texas, Laredo. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Two Laredos. Did you guys ever have to when you were a kid? So were you left in the car?

unknown 8:23

No.

SPEAKER_04 8:24

Left in the car? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

He used to leave me in the car when I was a kid. No, no, no. We were left in the house. No, we were left. I was left in the car because we didn't have a babysitter, so that's where I had this disdain from uh being the sausages insulting crackers. Because that's what he used to give me in the car. Um that was Jose.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

Jose was left at the house. I was left. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

And so eventually I I aged up to oh now I'm four years old.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

I'm gonna go work too. Four years old? That was Nah just joking.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

I think it was more like um what Carlos like five?

SPEAKER_04 8:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

A couple months later.

SPEAKER_04 9:03

It was uh first grade, kind yeah, first grade, right? Yeah, it's about five, six years old. Five, six years old. That's when like hey, you're old enough.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

Your parents deemed you useful at that time.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

And Tony, you you were left in the car here in Florida? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Fucking hot, man.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Oh, I but the reason I bring bring that up, man, that's that's I'm no stranger to that either, man. I uh my parents would go to the must be a Florida thing out here.

SPEAKER_04 9:32

You leave your kids, but the thing is backwards back here.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

There's a gap. Um there's a gap. Once school ends, uh, we waited maybe a couple of weeks before we left to Mexico. And during those those few weeks, uh it wasn't really, really hot, but it was it was Florida hot at that point, May.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yes, yeah, it's that's when the tomato season's like in full swing. Yeah. Let's late spring.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

It is so we we would go to the fields and we had nowhere to stay but to stay in the freaking car, no AC, no nothing. And and and it's either that, be bored, or go out there work too, man. Nowadays is mostly known as child labor laws. Yeah, now yeah. Good times, man. Yeah, I remember in high school I had to get the workers from it. But you know, unlike everyone else that worked at a restaurant or another, yeah. Our was unlimited. Yeah, so what what what determined that?

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Agriculture. Oh yeah. You could work as many hours.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Not for farmers. Back in the day. You're a smart one.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Nah, the child labor laws don't exist for uh agriculture. And they also a lot of rules don't exist for uh for transporting the uh agriculture workers, so they can have buses, they can be sitting on buckets, you don't need to have seats. There's a bunch of those little uh Lumots rules. Uh is that because of lack of representation or I'm not really sure. I mean, you technically you could a four-year-old could drive a tractor down the road. Wow. That's I mean that's here in Florida. I don't know about other states, but you know, that's that is something allowed. Did you migrate? We did migrate for a couple of years. Uh eventually we just settled out uh here. Uh it was just what did you do? You know, you went from one place to the other and you just were bored in either in one state or another. It's at the end, it's all the same damn thing. You're just bored out of your mind because you're just watching everybody else work. Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Where'd you migrate to?

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Uh Virginia, California, uh, Washington, Florida. I think there were some other places that was. I mean we kind of settled out pretty early as far as migrant workers. You went to the West Coast. Yeah. I think we started off on the West Coast. I remember flying from Seattle um to Miami. I don't know what the hell we were doing in Miami. It was just, I mean, rules were definitely more uh much more much more relaxed then. You didn't have to have show this, all these different IDs, you just got on an airplane. And they treated you better too.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

But you said you got on an airplane? Yeah. I didn't see an airplane, man. This guy's flying first class, man.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Yeah, when he was your kid, but you're a kid. You're like four, four or five years old, you're coming over here. I you remember getting on the airplane, and I remember getting a lot of snacks.

SPEAKER_04 12:10

I didn't get on an airplane until I was going to boot camp. Really? Same here. I didn't see an airplane until my late teens. It's the first class golden spoon in the middle. My first time. Were you sure you were born in Mexico? To Vegas, man.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Del D F nah. I don't even know. It was Chandia, Colima, Mexico, is where I was born. I got here when I was like three or maybe four years old. What brought you to Florida? My parents. How did it work? Migration? I guess work. It's the only thing I can think of. Because they were uh somebody got a wild hair up their ass and they just wanted to fly across the country. And then in Miami, and we might we moved all the way up here and and I think we ended up first in Palmetto.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

And if you guys ever been to Palmetto? Yeah. Palmetto's ass. I don't hate that place. It's big. Now Bob. Oh, but back then it was just it was a dirt pile back then. Now it's nice. I mean, I grew up in a place called Rubonia.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

We refer that at work, we refer that as Palm Ghetto. Yeah, well, I don't know. It gets ghetto really quick, man, if you don't know where you're going.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

Really fast. Outside though those tomato factories, you walk out. It's bad. It's bad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

That was then or now?

SPEAKER_00 13:15

It's not at least as far as I know.

SPEAKER_04 13:19

So it's just that little thing.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Yeah, it's just like you can't like anywhere else you go. I do remember, you know, get my ass beat a lot of times there. I wonder why. I I was insane. Being a smart ass. I've never been no, I used to get my ass beat because my stepfather was a clown. I didn't like him. He was a clown. Yeah, well he lost his leg when he was uh he had a car accident in uh Virginia and he lost his leg. So he would follow me around with uh crutches and beat my ass. I I still have scratches in my back, bro.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

You must be super slow if he caught up to you, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

No, no, no. He would catch me when I wasn't paying attention. Oh, he catch me when he would sneak up on you and just like. He's a three, a three-legged ninja, man. Fucking dick here a little crutch. No, I wasn't paying attention. Yeah, I'm like seven years old. I'm not paying attention to somebody trying to whoop my ass.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

You're ready.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

I gotta scratch my head to hiding from this some bitch. Yeah. I'll be always like paying attention. Where dad goes. No, no, no. He is not dad. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. He's my brother's dad and my sister's dad, but he is not my father, and he Wait, wait, wait. Go back.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

He's your brother's dad?

SPEAKER_00 14:41

Yeah, my my brother. Stepdad. He is, he's my stepfather, but not my three other siblings.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Okay, I see. So what what what made you plant roots here, man? I don't think I had a choice.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

I kind of just grew up here.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

You just kind of like, oh. This is where they landed.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Yeah. That's pretty much it. You land here and you're like, well, good as good as place as any.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Did you have family here prior? No. We're still the only ones here. Okay, cool. Where's your majority family at?

SPEAKER_00 15:07

California.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

What portion?

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Um most of them are gonna be in the uh San Joaquin Valley, so it's just south of Fresno. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

So weather's beautiful there, no?

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Fucking hot as hell, man. Really?

SPEAKER_02 15:21

Yeah, when we go in, we wouldn't. If I think of Frenz uh Fresno, San Fran or Oh, this is different. Oakland. Oh, this is dope. No, no, no. They're all different. They're different. But they're all pretty much in the same geographic location, right? It's uh it's the mountains.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yeah, the um the valley, uh the San Joaquin Valley, it is like in the summer, it's 115. And you go you go to San Francisco, it's like 65. And that's a in the summer. Dry heat, right? It's dry, it's hot, man. It doesn't matter how it don't matter how how humid it is.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

I mean, obviously I went to record in San Antonio uh twice. And once it was during the winter, and I thought it was colder here. Um, but during the summer, man, the dry heat, I I I could not get used to it. It was too much. It's like a freaking blowtorch. Yeah, it's and we went middle July, it was too hot, man. I don't know how can people live up there like that. That's what I said. I don't know how people live in Texas. It's too much, man. It's um most of them like if you live on the coast, uh it's nice and cool, but once you even cross like the mountains and stuff and live on the other side. You referred to California. Yeah, California. Yeah. It's um it's too d it's like night in day, bro. Yeah. Yeah, it's not even that far. Thirty-minute way, thirty-minute drive.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Thirty minutes, uh depending, you know, when we go see my aunt, it's the same thing. So hey, we're gonna go into the city, take coats. Oh, we're gonna go we're gonna go uh east, um, shorts.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

Yeah. So this is year-round? Year round. I've been to California, but not I've been more southern.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

South California, yeah. South California and Northern California are two different, they might as well just be two different states. Well I agree. I like SoCal though.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

SoCal. I I loved it, man. I loved it. The only thing it was just too expensive.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

I like visiting it, but not to live there, man.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

What is that?

SPEAKER_04 17:15

It's traffic's crazy. People don't know how to drive. Well, what what portion? Uh I guess when I went there, I went to San Diego and LA. LA's you might as well just walk, man.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

It's it's funny that you should say that because I found that people the worst drivers are gonna be in Atlanta.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

Atlanta is terrible too. I we go to Ashu every every year, every summer, and and I do anything possible to bypass Atlanta.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

The traffic, not necessarily the driver sucks. I think it's just the traffic. It's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

It's the traffic is bad. The traffic is bad. But I did find that the the actual drivers, they know how to drive. And uh especially out in uh LA. But you go to Atlanta, I don't know where those guys got their licenses. A lot of them just must have been straight out of the Cracker Jack box, bro, because uh they are like aggressive and mean, cut you off. Road rage. Have you gone to New York City? I haven't had the pleasure yet. I have.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

I have, but um put a subway. Why why why do you even bother to drive in there, man? It it they suck.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

I drove there once because that it was just like, oh, I want to drive through the city, but it was my first time being there, and it was like you guys said it's like damn it. I should have just it just sucked because you're stuck between two buildings.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

That's it.

SPEAKER_04 18:23

Yeah, after that, then I would go to um I was parking Jersey, get on the subway or the sub or whatever, the metro, and go into the city.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Yeah, when when we go, we stay in Long Island City. We just take the terminal subway, and boom, we were literally on Central. Yeah, uh, what is Central Park? Central Park and oh boy, um what's that hotel that Trump used to own? The Trump Tower? No, no, no, no, no. The other one, Home Alone. Home uh nice. Plaza Hotel. Right in front plaza hotel is right in front of Central Park. We literally would would embark there and just head out to the city. But we never drove in there, man. It's too crazy. But it is beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

I did it once and that was it. After that, it was just learned your lesson? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Is we've been there during the winter. We haven't been there during the summer. But uh uh Carlos, man, so what let's go with TV? No, let's go with Jose because he got here first. I came second.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

I got here first? What do you mean? You're you're older than me.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Florida. Florida. Florida.

SPEAKER_04 19:19

What brings you to Florida? Oh, what brought me to Florida? Um, my dad. Um He was here working for uh company, farming, same thing, agriculture. He would go from New York to here, New York to here. It was I got out of the Marine Corps, I needed somewhere to go. I didn't want to go back north because I you know it's cold. I thought you said you love cold. I love it. You used to want to live there. I just don't want to live there anymore. There he goes. I love it. The truth comes up. I I love going and visiting, you know, and having a good time there. But it because there's a certain point where my dad was here, he was still alive, he passed away um like two years after, or was it one year after I got here? Maybe two.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

What what what year was this?

SPEAKER_04 20:05

Uh 2013, I believe. Oh thirteen or fifteen? Uh I think it was fifteen. Yeah, somewhere like that. So that's the reason I came here. Um if my dad wasn't here, then I probably would have never came to Florida.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

I would have just gone back to the Now did you came here because you needed medical attention or just you you needed somewhere to stay?

SPEAKER_04 20:25

No, it's it's like um be with him. Like being in the Marine Corps, you know, you just go from place to place and this would make sense. Like, hey, I spent most of my time with my mom while I was in high school and he was out here because they had separated. So I was like, yeah, well, I'll just chill here with my dad, spend some time with him, you know. Totally. Yeah. Um and fortunately I didn't get to spend that much time with him because of the situations. But you know what? It it came out to be like, hey, I like the place. All right. Uh is it somewhere that I'm gonna be here forever? Probably not. I mean, like says eventually I'll pack up and go again. I guess it's just that that might migrating thing now in Hetman. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

And you have two kids, right? Yep. They're both here, they pretty much They're both here, but pretty much racing. Middle school, high school.

SPEAKER_04 21:11

Well, one's in going to college and then the other one's in high school, senior. So and they've been here since elementary school.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

So if so you'll be here for for a while.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

So they're like real Wim Mama people. Way Mama Nadia. Will Mamanadians, Ruskin, Sun City, or whatever? Ruskinites, Ruskin Knights.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

No, no, no, no. Don't confuse Ruskin. Don't confuse. Wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_04 21:31

I'm referring to Mamians or Ruskinites. Okay, neither. Yes, Sun Citians. I I my over 70. My D card, my D card says it says Sun City, so which Sun City are we talking about? Mine says North Center. It's you say it again. Mine says Sun City Center. And where you're you're off of Cypress Creek? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Oh, it's technically Ruskin.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

But no, no, but we'll see you as Ruskin. You can see me however you want to see me, but when I pull my code. Yeah, but we You see my taxes.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Listen, this piece of paper is not gonna make you blend in, brother.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Oh look who's talking. Man, shot across the bottle there, huh?

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Yeah. Somebody got rejected. Hey, listen, I I I lived in Ruskin. I bought a house in Ruskin. Look, we we know what happened with those foods. I never felt the sentiment.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

We know what happened with the food stamps. Okay. That piece of paper. Oh, that's a whole other thing. We'll get to that. I know. I cut I cut out to it.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

We have to go with the food stamps. We all have a cheese. We all have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 22:38

That's what he's talking about. The piece of paper doesn't mean anything because of his uh tragic uh trauma he had with this one piece of paper that le dieron. And from there on, it's like he can't trust pieces of paper no more.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

Okay, so I'm a little lost on this one. But you can't do that. Yeah, yeah, catch him up with the catch up.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

All right. Did you go with Mama Lamentry? Uh for like six months. Okay, do you remember Santa's workshop? No. No, okay, well, during the holiday, obviously Christmas season, just before the Christmas vacation, uh they would set up this Santo workshop, right? And right in front of the main office. So they would pick a you know random classes, you go out there for 30 minutes and you get to, you know, go buy some, you know, those small tool kits you used to buy for your parents and Chinese fans, you know, you know that's you know, stuff like that. So uh um I asked my parents, hey, they're gonna have Santa's workshop. Do you have a dollar or two dollars that I can have? And and and obviously they didn't. Uh my grandma came through though. She gave me she gave me the pink five dollar full stamp. And I showed up with that. And I'm going into Santa's workshop, and I'm thinking, okay, I'm gonna pick this for my dad, I'm gonna pick this for my mom, I'll get this from me. By the time I checked out, I got rejected. I wasn't able to pay for the piece of paper. The the the the the with the five dollar full stamps. And I remember it was pink. Boy, it broke my heart, man. I could not understand what was the difference between the green and the pink because I think there were color. Yeah, they're colored.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Yeah, they're different colors.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Different colors, yeah. And I didn't, I didn't, for the life of me, I could not understand, man. And uh yeah, and it never left me. But that's what he's referring to. So did you think you brought the wrong color?

SPEAKER_00 24:12

Yeah. I I mean, was it uh having the being the wrong colors get you in a lot of trouble?

SPEAKER_02 24:16

Yeah, that's the I'm saying he's just that's that's that's what he's what he's uh referring to. All right, so but you were saying uh um you have two kids, you're pretty much here. You're gonna be here for a while, I'm assuming, right? You're gonna be here. Yeah, for now.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

Well, hopefully, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

What do you where do you plan to go?

SPEAKER_04 24:35

I don't know, man. Uh it's uh it's still up in the air. Might go back to the homeland, but not like the homeland where my parents grew up. More like either Toulum, uh, like Cancun, huh? Cancun.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

What would make you leave Florida? Or make me leave Florida? Yeah. Because there's a there's a I went through the numbers, Tony. There's there's ever since um I would say 2023, there's been a massive exodus in Florida. For the first time in history, we have more people moving out than coming in. So I wonder if you you fall into that category.

SPEAKER_04 25:07

Um, what would make me leave Florida? I I don't think anything would make me leave Florida other than hey, it's just time to go because um I did everything I needed to do. My main thing was getting these kids through high school and college. After that, it's like, yo, you guys are kind of on your own. I mean, I did a little bit more than what my parents did, you know. So um hopefully they they get stabled and you know, I I like I said I even plan on leaving the house for them so they could have somewhere to live and yo go.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

That's awesome, man. But so you wanted to provide a stable home, something that you never had, right? Yeah, I'm assuming. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

I mean yeah, something like that. Yeah. Okay, guys. Sound like Lestat, man. Like what? You sound like Lestat.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Like stat? Lestat. Who's that? That's from a book. He said I'm gonna give you the choice I never had. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Give him something. Carlos, I bring this to you, man. What's up, man? What brought you here, man? What brought me here is the the same thing. I mean, uh my dad was here. But at the time, I I requested orders to come here and uh they denied me. They sent me to Okinawa, Japan. What year was this? Um right before um my dad passed away, I think. Is that 12 or no? 2012. Um well no, and 14. 14, 2014, because 2014 is when I got promoted. And um is when I was due to move. And I did a move, but uh it was I stayed there in California. But then they were trying to move me again and they're asking me where I want to go. And I'm like, Florida? Mm-hmm. Because my dad was here and then he was already he was on his way to Florida. At this point, where was your mother? In New York, upstate New York. Okay. And same thing, you just wanted to spend more time with dad? Yeah. Well, eventually I knew we were probably gonna all try to be here. Yeah. So I was like, oh is mom here or still in New York? She comes back and forth. Oh, okay. She was here last month. For a couple of weeks. Okay. Just back and forth. Yeah. Um, but no, yeah. I went to Japan and then How many years, Station? Uh in Japan? Yeah. A year. A year and over a little over a year, a few months. Um, and I was like, yeah, I'm done. Just send me back to California so I could get out. Yeah. That was my my thought, and I get my orders. Tampa, Florida. Nice. That's what you wanted, right? That's what I wanted a year ago. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. But I mean, I got it, it worked. I mean, I was like, okay, cool. Now where you you had to move, obviously you move your entire family to Japan? No. I I had to go by myself. So you had to stay that's gotta be. I had to go by myself because they didn't have the providers for my kids. Yeah. Um two of my kids are autistic, one's a little bit more than the other one. The other one's highly functional. He's able to do stuff on his own. The other one, not tanto, but he's still fine. Yeah. Um, so yeah, so they had to stay. Um originally they were gonna stay in California, but my father-in-law passed away the the two months before I left to Japan. Oh, okay. Damn. So um Laura decided she was gonna go back home to the valley. And uh we did everything right before um Thanksgiving, I think. Yeah. Moved everything to Texas and then right before two weeks before Christmas or the week before Christmas is when I went to Japan and I got over there. And then I came here and I just uh I was hurt. Like I couldn't PT no more. Everything hurt. So I um I ended up medically well I want to say well, yeah, originally it's supposed to be medical retirement, but at the time they let you uh if you had more than 15 years but less than 20, you could do a temporary early requirement or or temporarily early retirement authority. Yeah. Which allows you to retire early. So um the only way to do that afterwards is by submitting submitting a medical, like for them to evaluate evaluate you and see if you're medically qualified to still stay in. And um they found me I wasn't, and then I submitted the paper from early retirement, and they approved it. Nice. So by that time you were here in Tampa? Yeah, I was here at Sentcom. Oh, okay, cool, man. No big deal. You just recently bought a ho a home, right? So you're you're in Wei Mama, you're true Wei Mama Nadia now. It says Weymama, the address says Weymama, but listen, that is Weymama. I've been here all my life, man. The thing says Balm. We haven't gerrymanded yeah, what did he call what do you call it? Jerrymanded? Yeah, we haven't, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Yeah, the balm is just a very small area. It's really small. I like it. It's probably just maybe the mailbox, uh the post office, and not much bigger than that.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

That church. Yeah, it's not very big. That church off of uh Balmberview. Yeah, was it?

SPEAKER_00 30:02

No, it's not very big. Most of the because my mama just kind of like just.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

I can walk to that church from my house. I can see it from my house, the back of my yard. Yeah, yeah. We we used to go there for food, man. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Which one is this? Uh we're talking which church you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 30:17

It's right at the just before that intersection.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Oh, the Good Samaritan Church?

SPEAKER_02 30:22

On the right or left? On the right. Oh no. If you're heading uh north, it's on the right hand side. That's a good way. Okay, that's a good samaritan church. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we used to go that and Bethel were literally our our food pantries. But I remember going through there, man, nothing was there. Maybe those duplexes. I'm not sure if they're still there. No already?

SPEAKER_00 30:42

They're still there, but they're abandoned. They're abandoned.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

And that that's all that was there, man. Everything in a pure orange groves. And uh, I think cow pastures at one point on the on the left.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

On the east side, yeah, on the on the east side it was cow pastures. On the west side it was orange groves.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Now I don't recognize it, man. I go down there, I just went down to your neighborhood not too long ago, and it's crazy, man. Now they have a gas station, an old gas station. You see it? It's always been there. But now they they they stopped they stopped pumping gas. Uh as long as I've been that they've been pumping gas. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I haven't paid attention.

SPEAKER_04 31:16

The one that's like hidden in that road, like the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Yeah, you have to pay attention. Or across the street from the post office. Post office, yeah. Yeah, that's where I was. I was doing uh repairs for the post office.

SPEAKER_00 31:26

I've been here pretty much all my life, and I never never knew that there was a gas station there. I remember being the uh food market.

SPEAKER_02 31:33

I remember not not a gas station. I remember the food market. And it looks old school, like it's like a time capsule, man. It looks like uh one of the stores in the valley that's still there right now. Iwalita. Casiwalita lights.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Yeah. It looks like Jose's peeps. Yeah, it looks like a place where you have to make sure that you're the sun's still up when you go get gas there. Way mama's not too bad.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

It has a bad rap. It's not bad at all. I uh I can tell you firsthand is it's much better than it was. I'm talking real way, mama, man. Downtown Way Mama. This is yeah, this is the heart of Way Mama's right here, right down the street. The church is I would say, what do you think, Tony?

SPEAKER_00 32:12

From West Lake, West Lake to Rero, that's real water.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

That's it, that's real Wama. You're right there, man. Well, would you call everything else then? Not like Wa Mama. Not white mama. Where he's from? What about over there? Puerto Navy, too, on the other side of 301. No, that's that I I referred also because I grew up all the way down. I grew up in Ruth Morris, off of Ruth Morris. That's that's closer to where he lives. He's not I mean it's it's down 301, it's not as far as he goes, but to me, I think from Lightfoot on this way, I see it as Weimama. And I think uh uh you're you're off of Lightfoot. Yeah, right off of Lightfoot. From that point on, then it's it's Way Mama to me at least. Yeah, it's just an odd little spot of Way Mama. And if you go to this corner, the the 672, 301, the intersection. I forget uh I forget how it's partitioned, but one side is Ruskin, one is Sun City, the other one is Rear Review, and then the other is Way Mama.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

Yeah, depending on that corner.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

I know where you're talking. Whoever engineered all that, man, it's it's it's dumb. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

I don't think any thought was really put into it. They I don't think anyone really thought that this place would explode and uh with population as quickly as it did. Carlos, so you what?

SPEAKER_02 33:23

You're planning roots here, you're gonna stay here for a while? What's what's the deal? As of right now, yeah. I got um my daughter, she is in fifth grade, so until she graduates. And then from there we'll see. Might go back to the 956. With Jose's peeps. Yep. All right, Jose, you got explaining to do, man. All right, here's the good stuff. All right, bellico. Bellico. Uh I thought the bellico goes. All right, tell us your love with the 956. What's the deal, man? Well, first of all, explain. Uh explain how you really feel about Texas.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

No, I mean, Texas is a good place. You bitch. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Talking to the kid all over the meal. They're like, uh, you know what? It's just not first.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

Nah, Dallas Cowboys literally great, man.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

It's like, I love that thing. Oh god, Jesus Christ, we're gonna start this crap again.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

That's a whole nother topic, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

I think the books are great. Go ahead. Um it goes back to what I said last time. Um, like uh, who um who hates who hates more on the Hispanic people than Hispanics themselves? And that's what I get when I go to Texas, man. I get these uh fourth, fifth generation Mexican Americans, whatever, you call whatever you want them to call them, Tejanos. And they be looking at first generation or just people, spices, I guess you want to call them, all looking at them the wrong way and shit like, or they'd be talking to you a certain way. That's what uh when I was a young kid, I didn't I didn't get it. I was like, whatever, yeah. You know, it's whatever. But then I start when we moved to New York and over there, then I started notice like, yo, why are these people treating me better than those people over there were treating me?

SPEAKER_02 35:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:12

Well, it should be the other way around. I should have these people over here treating me a different way. But no, I when I was over there in New York, I didn't get that. I got more of, hey, we're kind of somewhat equal in certain places. In other places, yeah. You always had certain people that treated you a certain way.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

But when we go in Texas, like, yo, we're the same color, man. Why why are you treating me a certain way? Just because I was born across the border and you were born here? Because to me, it's uh I don't see where you're born. I see the person. Right person is the one that makes who you are.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

Either you jack us or not.

SPEAKER_04 35:44

Yeah, I mean it's plain and simple. It's like don't judge a person, don't judge a book by its cover. Yeah, right. Um, and that was my thing with them. Not not saying that I hate them or dislike them, it was just that was my experience with them.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Now, I got two questions. You want to ask them a question? No. So well, two questions. One, were you bullied growing up? You were in Texas. Okay. And uh what makes you think that it was because of where you came from and not because I didn't know English. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:13

The first time I ever got bullied was in Texas.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 36:18

Because that's where we went to school first. And then at that point I didn't know English. I only know Spanish.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:24

And I f it was bullied. Now that I know it and I'm a doll, I was like, yeah, that freaking asshole goddamn texano. Yeah. Bullied me. That's where the hatred comes from, right? There's one guy. One guy ruins it all. Describe a texano to me. Um, but most of the ones like like I said, it's not the ones that you don't agree with. It's not the Tejano, let's per se. It's just that hey, I was my dad and my parents and my grandparents were born here in America five generations before your, two generations before your. We're better than you. I'm Mexican American, but you're Mexican. Yeah. That's the ones that uh annoy me.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Oh, no, um, I wanted to you brought it something right here. So when you're when you're talking about, was it did you travel north Texas also ever?

SPEAKER_04 37:14

No, uh most of ours, I think Carlos got to live in Houston with my parents, but my time was all there and then.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

So the reason I'm asking is it is it down by the valley? Was that that wor was that whole valley part? But that was that worse, because I guess you can answer this. Was that worse that if you got further north and the you got treated better?

SPEAKER_02 37:33

As far as for me, like in Houston, it was it was different. Were you treated like Jose? What he's describing? No. No, why is that?

SPEAKER_04 37:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

He knew English. Okay. That's that's uh maybe. Yeah, I don't see. Yeah, I don't like I said, I don't I don't treated like that.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

My cu my curiosity is if did you notice a uh discernible difference between the way you were treated down by the valley where it's really close to the border, or is the further you got away from the border were you treated differently?

SPEAKER_04 38:07

I think in my case, like I said, I can't speak for his case, um, the farther we got from the valley, the better it got. The the little small community of Mexicans that we had up in New York, we were pretty close. Like people knew each other. Like said we would have some of us will hang out, some of us won't hang out, but it was like it was small enough to where you will build that that someone was like, Well, he's Mexican, I'm Mexican, or whatever thing. Or even with the Puerto Ricans, it was all the same thing. We we clicked. Pero allá en el valle, the way I look at it was like you had those people that's like, all right, you're Mexican American and you're Mexican. There was that line, like that if they knew you were born in Mexico, they would look at you a certain way.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

And other than speaking the language, what what what what is it? What we're trying to do.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

I mean it's not hatred, it's just dislike. Like um certain people, like I said, not saying Latajanos were the same way or any it was just that certain people would just l look down on people because they were born in a different country. You were born, okay. Well, my my bad that you were your dad and grandparents decided to cross before my parents did. Right. You know, that was the only issue there.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

Right. Or some of them the border cross then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

If you want to go back a couple of generations, like my grandma. Um like I said before, to me it wasn't I I never I don't look up down on people because of where they're born. It's like whatever. You're born here, you're born there. You can't control it. Like he was saying, what brought you to Will Mama's or or what brought you here? Like, I don't my parents did. I didn't have no control over it. Yeah. And that's what uh some people are just I guess ignorant about that stuff. Have you been back to the valley? Oh yeah, I've been back to the valley.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

I've what's the environment now as far as uh I still see it. You still see it. Is it worse?

SPEAKER_04 39:54

I mean, I wouldn't say it's it's worse, but I still see it.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

You still see it. So it is prominent.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

It's it's there. It's always gonna be there. You're gonna have those individuals that, like I said, they're like fifth, fourth generation.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

So it's a rootic culture thing. Yeah. That you see. Okay. So I guess what I'm trying to segue into is given today's political environment obviously is really hostile now. Whether we like it or not, we're partitioned. Either you go left or you go right. Those people you're referring to, where are they going? Left or right?

SPEAKER_04 40:22

I think they go d both ways, man. They go both ways. Uh some of them, like I said, it doesn't matter where you're born or where you're raised. It's like what in in my opinion, I go, I go either left or right depending on what's beneficial for me. Correct. Because again, that's the point of which. Yeah. I vote for whatever's gonna benefit me and my family. Right. You know. Um I don't go off of, well, Tony's doing this, so I'm gonna go do what Tony's doing. No, you should do what I do.

SPEAKER_05 40:50

I knew he was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_04 40:51

Yeah. I don't go off of that. It's like I go off of what's benefited for me, because whatever. Yeah, everybody votes with their pocketbook. Yeah, it's like whatever's best for my pockets, like you said. Um and I think that's what it is over there. But for some odd reason, the other thing.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

They want to build they want to build a barrier, so that that's the that's the idea, isn't it? Uh yeah, you got yours, I got mine. Um, I'm gonna make sure nobody else comes in and takes mine. So uh I'm gonna build barriers to make sure it's harder for you.

unknown 41:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:19

But I would go to say that that's for anyone, even not even those um Mexican fifth generation, I would say the same thing for those that are already been here. Oh black, white, whatever. Right. It's it's the same. I would say but to me, they're not right now. I think they're mostly those type are right sided people. Um maybe a few left sided, but the majority on the right. I I believe so too. I think I I would stay a step further. I think the vast majority are right, the ones that you're you're describing. Um, at least with through my my experience of what I've seen. My family does come from the valley too as well. To his point, like being bullied or whatnot. I mean, I lived in Houston. But it wasn't I had a more like Mexicans, black, white. So more diverse. Yeah, but you wouldn't co-mingle only in school. More tribal. Yeah. See, that's why I never lived in Houston. I just drove by there. I don't see I don't know the culture. Now the what would what causes that though? What the is it ignorance.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

That's what that causes.

SPEAKER_02 42:36

But but there's gotta be a root problem to it.

SPEAKER_04 42:38

It's ignorance, man.

SPEAKER_02 42:39

It's ignoring ignorance ignorance is to learn behavior. What what's causing it?

SPEAKER_04 42:44

They're always can't be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

Well what's causing it is because they're going to what they know and they're trying to stay together. Well, but it's not just like, hey, because it it'll probably i I uh it'll happen here. I've seen it happen. Another person gets robbed by someone, right? Yeah. For a different color. So now they're like, oh, we all gotta stay together. You know, it doesn't mean that that it's all of them robbing from you. But now they're traumatized just like he was when he was bullied, and they're like, uh like they see uh another type of person and they're like oh, you know. Um because in New York, I would see I won't say bullying, but all like the way the white um mechanics and the workers that worked at the farm, how they would talk down to the migrant workers. How they it's like And obviously that bothered you, right? And it stuck with you. It stuck with me. I'm like, no man, no. Yeah, we're equal. You shouldn't be talking down to them just because whatever reason you don't talk to the other guy you're working with like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you see that here? Here? Yeah, and not not not necessarily a mechanical. But uh like we all have something in common. We all volunteer at the park. Or at least we have a child that plays at the park, right? Here in our local soccer. But do you do you see that there? Obviously it's my majority Hispanic. It's majority Hispanic. But when you go to the store, when you go to gas station, publics.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

Yeah, I don't think now Yeah, I think it's it's going away because that generation is is like he said, those mechanics were they're like what?

SPEAKER_02 44:25

Like they're old now. They're old now.

SPEAKER_04 44:28

They're still alive. Yeah. They're like either like that grandpa status or great grandpa status.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

So what what what do you think is causing that to go away? Is that they're just it's a dying breed?

SPEAKER_04 44:40

Yeah, they're just dying out, man. People are are evolving and moving forward. As much as people say that we're not uh making progress, we are.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

I was I was gonna you just took the words out of my mouth. Um it doesn't matter if you lean right or left. I don't think we're as separated as they say that we are. We're we're really not, man. Um and I with my work, I have the fortune to go into homes, black, white, Hispanics. The vast majority, man, I I get treated fine. I'm out, you know, I have tattoos, I'm Hispanic. Um I'm not sure because uh I'm hiding behind my badge, the frontier badge, or my work badge, or or they're sincerely nice people. That's including Sun City as well. And you would think Sun City leans hard right or or more conservative, right? That's not in my experience. It's really not. I can't really speak of much of uh what's happening in Chicago, Portland.

SPEAKER_04 45:33

I think well also with when it when you talk about conservative, a lot of people get that confused with let's just say that being racist. They they automatically think, well, you're conservative, so they're you're somewhat either racist or prejudiced. And that's not what that's not what conservatives is.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

And I think that it comes down again with the media telling you what what to think.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Conservatives just like Tony could explain it better.

SPEAKER_00 45:56

I mean, conservatism is just to me is I'm doing what's best for my pocketbook. And I'm gonna lean on and I think all of us are gonna be, as far as uh our religious views, are all gonna be pretty conservative.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Uh especially the Mexican culture.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

You're right. We we tend to be more conservative. And if you look at logically, we should be ideologically lined up more with Republicans. Um I concur. But where and this is on both sides, I think, is we have nine you have ninety percent of the population is within they're all in agreement with almost everything. It's just that five percent on either side that make most of the damn noise. And uh that's the one that gets all the attention. So they think that because of this group is doing this, that they're everybody else is doing it. And it's not the case. 90% of the population is gonna be somewhere in the middle. They're gonna be fiscally conservative, they want to have programs that are gonna be beneficial to people. They don't want programs that are gonna be in in perpetuity, they want programs that are going to be helpful in the meantime to get you back on your feet. Obviously, there's always gonna be a segment of the population that's gonna need that help for the rest of their lives because of a physical or mental ailment, then they need that. Right. I think most people recognize that. But what happens a lot of times is we get aligned and we get told who we are by someone else, as opposed to actually just talking to someone. Uh that happens a lot. You've experienced it yourself, you just described it. What happens? You go into a place and they they're not seeing the brown person, they're seeing Lewis. They're not seeing anybody else. So it becomes more it be it becomes more real when you start talking to people. You start realizing hey, I have a lot more in common with this person than I thought.

SPEAKER_05 47:43

Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

And we're not enemies. We're we might see things differently, and it's perfectly acceptable for everyone.

SPEAKER_02 47:51

Right. And it's healthy, it's a good, healthy balance. We need it. I'm always with my my kids, man. 90% of the time, I would uh if I go to the grocery store, come on, I'll take them all. And uh, you know, I'll I'll get uh compliments, how beautiful they are, I guess. They're they're they'll well behave or we're acting acting a fool. And uh um and it's from different backgrounds. Some even have had make the red hat. They come up to me and say, Hey, you got beautiful family. I really don't mind if you're a Trump supporter. I don't mind if you're uh Biden. It it really doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 48:23

When did we nominate these people to be demigods?

SPEAKER_02 48:27

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 48:28

Because we go back in the last couple of last election cycles. It happened with Obama. People just Yeah, people on the left who were just saying, Hey, he's you know, he was just a demigod, and then that happened with Trump, and he was treated as a demigod. And I don't understand that fascination and why that transitioned. They're just people, um and some things I agree with, other things I don't. Right. I don't understand how that how that became ideologically, how that became an identity.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

Somewhat understand uh a bit. Like for example, my um I'm in m music, right? Uh uh love music. Um uh when I see my favorite singer is Fer Mana, the rock band from Mexico, right? When back then when when there were in the mid-90s, nobody heard that type of music, at least here, not in Florida. But every time I'd see him, I get this sense of pride, like more and it finally I I I get to express myself who I really am. Like he represented that, I guess. Somewhat explains it, I guess, an extension of me. Now I'm being represented at the highest level as a musician, because back then I was considered emo, uh an outsider, which I didn't really care. I I loved it anyways. But you know, when Obama got a voted, yeah, I'll I I'll be honest, I was happy. I thought I'd never see a uh somewhat of a black president, you know. Uh but he's white and black, right? He's mixed. I think he's mixed, yeah. He's a mystery. Oh boy, conspiracy theorists.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

But I ask you a question, is he American?

SPEAKER_02 49:58

No boy, here we go. Let me see his verse certificate.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

He's something American, right? I mean, American American, right? American. He won. The matter is history.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

At this point, it is just history now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

Yeah, yeah. So Carlos, you gotta say something? No, I mean, like me as growing up, I think what what helped me mold me as well is moving a lot and not staying in one place. Yeah. Um because like I lived in uh Sea Drift, Texas. It's a fish urban town, a whole bunch of lot of a lot of Vietnamese um people there. Yeah. So one of my best friends was Vietnamese. There's a few Mexicans, there's like just the family that I knew that was there. About it. Pero most were Vietnamese. Um, a few white, black, um, but like I said, my best friend was Vietnamese. Uh I went to upstate New York because we were moved back and forth. One of my best friends to this day is uh he's black. Yeah. Another one, he's half white, half Puerto Rican, you know. Yeah, so it doesn't matter where they come from, what they are, they're genuinely like good people. Uh at other times when I went back to upstate New York, it was they're white. Best friend, Billy. Yeah, my my mentor, yeah, I think you know him, um, Tony, he's he's African American. He leans hard right, but he's my mentor. He he's sincerely a really good person, definitely a benefactor in my life. And um we don't absolutely agree on nothing politically, but morally, we're we're there. Met him in Weimam Elementary. Um, I would say maybe in 88, 89, and we still in contact. So it doesn't really matter where they, you know.

SPEAKER_04 51:48

Yeah, I think you said something very important there. Um morally. As long as the person is doing stuff morally correct, you know, doing stuff right, the the party stuff doesn't matter. Because the way I look at it, it's like it's like football teams. That's all it is. It's like either you have this team or that team. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Other than that, like you're in this case we're better though, because we're Bucks and you're Dallas. Isn't that right, Tony?

SPEAKER_04 52:12

Tony won't say anything. Isn't it the same thing though? Red and blue? Yeah, red and blue right there. Except one has more wins than the other one, you know.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

I think uh most of the country can say the same thing. Fuck Dallas. Everybody loves them though. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:28

America they they hate us because they ain't us. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen, listen.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

It's the delusional fans. Exactly. Let's get this straight, man. It's not the actual cowboys, maybe a little bit. It's the delusional fans, it's the delusional fan that miracle calls that delusional right now. But you know who sounds delusional right now? The old butter fans, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah. How is 411 delusional? Explain that to me, Tony. Carlos, Jose, explain that to me. Because of the way they're winning. Doesn't matter, it's either you win or you lose, right? Remember what what's what's the what's the coach? I'm just telling you to play to win the game. Yes, but I'm just telling you from experience. I uh listen. They you are who you are.