Peptalk: Peptides Unpacked

#33 Breaking Free from Addiction: Using Peptides to Support Lasting Recovery — with Samantha

• Dr. Kylie Burton & Jessica Briecke • Season 2 • Episode 10

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Addiction doesn’t live only in decisions. It shows up in the nervous system, the gut, hormones, sleep, blood sugar, and the biochemical “noise” that can make cravings feel louder than logic. 

With relapse rates still high and most people never receiving treatment, we wanted to open a bigger, more honest conversation about what recovery can look like when we support the body, not just the behavior.

We’re joined by Samantha, a functional diagnostic practitioner who also brings something rarer: 

  • lived experience with addiction, 
  • drug dealing,
  • a SWAT raid, 
  • incarceration, 
  • treatment, 
  • long-term sobriety, 
  • and a later relapse that began with a culturally accepted “just have a glass of wine.” 

She breaks down how quickly alcohol can hijack sleep and mood, flare PCOS and panic, and quietly erode health while still feeling socially normal. We also discuss:

  • why “high functioning” can hide real danger, 
  • why asking for help matters, 
  • and how community can be both a risk and a lifeline.

Then we get practical. We dig into peptides and recovery support, including:

  • Where tissue repair peptides like BPC-157 and TB-500 fit, 
  • why GLP-1 style tools may reduce food noise for some people, 
  • and why expectations and dosing matter. 

We also cover foundational recovery supports like NAD, glutathione, and the lab markers that can flag liver strain, plus the non-negotiables: nutrition, movement, gut work, detox pathways, therapy, and a clear plan. If you’re curious about peptides for addiction recovery, alcohol recovery, and functional medicine strategies that make change more sustainable, this one is a must listen. 

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You have the science. You have the tools. Now it's time to take the next step.

This is PepTalk: Peptides Unpacked—science made simple, results made real.

SPEAKER_00

Peptides are powerful and often misunderstood. And we're here to change that. One conversation at a time. I'm Dr. Kylie Burton. And I'm Jessica Brickie.

SPEAKER_01

This is Pep Talk. Peptides Unpacked. Science Made Simple. Results Made Real. Right now in the US, over 20 million people are struggling with substance use disorders. And 90% of them never receive treatment. That's a mind-blowing statistic. For those who do receive treatment, relapse rates are estimated to be between 40 to 60%. So this isn't just about making a decision to stop. There's clearly more going on beneath the surface. And that's exactly what we're unpacking today.

SPEAKER_00

This is one of those conversations that it's on a different level. I was actually talking about this all day yesterday because um I knew that this conversation I'm about to yesterday, but this is gonna be a really impactful conversation. So um we're a podcast that's about the kitchen. So at first glance this might feel like a little bit of a different conversation we're about to have, but actually um we've talked about this before in the episode with that works her experiences about how it's uh for the first time in her life acquired that addictive drive in her brain. And it really opened up the door to a much larger conversation around what's actually happening uh with neurological uh relationships to addiction and what support what support can actually look like beyond just willpower and say no more. And a functional diagnostic practice of his work really centers around the story of as a starting point for healing. And what I love about what's doing is the gap between recovery and what's actually happening in the body. She focuses on things like the gut access, the point regulation, and how we actually rebuild the body after stress, addiction and depletion. So everything from lifestyle to lab to peptides and bioregulator stuff. And what makes her work even more powerful is that she's what she's walking through addiction, incarceration, and completely rebuilding her own health and now helps others to become this one's also a little personal for me up close how complex this journey can be and how much support is really good beyond just getting sober. So whether this is something that you've experienced yourself or somebody that you love, I think this conversation is going to give you a completely different lens on what recovery can look like. Samantha, I'm so excited to have you with us today. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02

Thanks. That was such a good intro. Can I pay you? I didn't pay you to do that. I promise you.

SPEAKER_01

I know I was like, I had no idea what we're about to sit down and talk about. So I'm like, oh dang, this one this one's gonna be good.

Samantha’s Early Use And Warning Signs

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. This is this, you know, I've I've been following you now for a little bit and um just hearing little pieces of your story. I I have intentionally tried to avoid the whole thing because I want to hear it directly from you. Where, you know, and I'm just gonna let you just dive in and start, start from the beginning wherever it is that you want to start.

SPEAKER_02

Oh boy, I get to start. Well, I think it's important probably to talk about my PhD. Um, I and it's not gonna be a functional diagnostic nutritionist PhD. I think that that's what sets me apart in this whole like world of peptides and things like that is like I when it comes to addiction, is I've truly actually lived it, like you said. Um so for me, I think, you know, this story is you know, people want to hear the story because I every I you know, when you meet when you when I do a lecture and I go in a room and I have everybody who's been impacted by like drug addiction or something like that, you know, just stand up. The whole room stands up every time. Like I do a zoom, everybody does like raises their hand on the zoom. So it's not new to anybody, which is you know, it's just I think it's not talked about often. Um my story. So my first drink, um, I was in seventh grade. Uh did not get in trouble for that one. My um first time I smoked pot, I got arrested at Six Flags. That was in eighth grade, almost lost um the inability to graduate from eighth grade. I, you know, so I have a lot of like like the universe was trying.

SPEAKER_00

Wait, hold on. The first time that you smoke pot in eighth grade, yeah, you got arrested.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's six flags. And it's sort of yeah, my journey continues like that. Like the a lot of my firsts are like my higher my higher power god, whatever the universe you want to call it, was like trying to take a bat to my head to say you're gonna continue this, it's gonna get real, really ugly. And it does. Um but I also like grew up and I I was always sick, I never felt well. You know, I have that whole backstory of someone that becomes a health practitioner. So there's that parallel to this. But I think part of it was like, you know, I just didn't feel good. I I was a division one rower, hardcore athlete, but always bloated, always constipated, always just super, super fatigued, things like that. Just my mind always felt really scattered. I didn't feel like I fit in. So there's that like kind of underlying component that I think was sort of always like giving me this itch to be like, I want out, like I want out of my body, I don't feel right, I I need something, and a substance was the best option. So for me, it was sort of like if I'm gonna live my life, I'm gonna party really hard. That was like my that was the idea that of like living life. Like that's the expectation I had at the time, which was and maybe it's because I was uh such a my parents were great, I got to experience a lot of great things, so maybe I didn't appreciate it as much as I should have. Um, you know, I don't come from a family that's like my mom was an alcoholic, my dad was this, my dad's parents were this and that. Like I don't really know the lineage, like I haven't been able to connect that. I know there were some heavy drinkers throughout my um my mom's side, but that's it.

SPEAKER_00

But you know, I for you basically you wanted to feel normal, like you're expecting you started to have a different sensation when you drank alcohol or smoked pot or whatever that was that made you feel what you thought you were seeking, which was different than what you currently were.

LA Drugs Overdose And Feeling Normal

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And I thought it was fun, maybe. Sure, yeah. Um, but you know, for me, like I didn't have an aha when I drank alcohol. I didn't have an aha when I smoked pot. Like a lot of if you hear in the rooms of recovery, you'll hear like, oh, the first time I had that drink, I knew like everything changed, everything was different. Like I didn't really have any of that. Um, so I intermittently like, you know, was using a lot of drugs and then I would stop throughout high school, you know. I I like the rest of high school, I kind of got my shit together and was able to like, you know, do really well. And I went to University of Michigan and I my I drank a lot. I was always a blackout drinker. Um, so I I didn't really like love it, but it's what you did, right? It was what I knew to do. And so I did the whole college thing, freshman year, drank my way through it, black my way out, or whatever you want to call it. And um, and eventually I stopped using all alcohol, got really back into health and wellness. I quit rowing my freshman year, so I kind of lost my identity of sports. And uh, once I hit junior year, I went through a pretty hard breakup and I went out to LA to visit a friend, and that's when I was introduced to the slowly, but I but but quickly for I mean slow slowly to I would say me, but quickly to other people. But I got introduced to like all the drugs that were my perfect cocktail that I knew it was it, this is great, this is everything that everybody had talked about, you know, that I hear. So I I started doing GHB.

SPEAKER_00

Um and that was I don't know what that is. What was it?

SPEAKER_02

That's like the it's like the date rape drug. I wasn't raping, I wasn't raping people or anything like that, but it's it's basically like you disclaimer and you drink it, and um, it's like getting roofied almost. But if you monitor it, you get the feeling of being drunk without all the hangover or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03

Understood.

SPEAKER_02

You do feel like I don't black, you wouldn't black out, you wouldn't get hungover, nothing like that. You would measure it out, and it'd be very specific. So that was the first drug that I was introduced to out there. And I was also introduced to the gay scene, and it was the safest group of people I'd ever been around my entire life. So I felt very, very safe. I felt like I wasn't gonna get my heart broken, I wasn't gonna get made fun of, I wasn't like I didn't have to deal with like the whole, you know, competitive piece that women deal with. Like none of that occurred. It was just like I felt like I truly had friends, like I had true friends in my life. And so I did feel very safe. So, but quickly, um, I ended up, um, I actually the first time I did meth that weekend I overdosed. Um, so I had done meth and ecstasy and uh and GHB that whole weekend, and and then ended up in cedar cyanide with an overdose. So it's another first where like I should have known. Um but that was it, man. Right there. When I started doing meth, it was exactly everything that I needed to become normal, I guess, in my mind. I was able to do my homework, I was able to read a book, I was able to calm my brain down. So I'm all over the place. So super monkey mind, ADHD, diagnosed really, really young, never took the medication, it made me sick, like hard no on like Adderall, Redland, like nothing. I never took it. And I think I just I'm really organized and I was able to manage my dysfunction really, really well. That's my gift. It's like I'm just an organized person, and I think I'm a creative. So the combination of whatever I was doing was just the right fit. Like my jobs were always all over the place or really creative, or you know, something like that. Um, always an entrepreneur, always had like a million different jobs. And so I started bringing drugs back to Michigan to sell them. So at that point, I was um, you know, I started selling drugs to pay for my habit because that's sort of like the rational addict's brain is like, you know, like if I'm gonna do this, I'm not gonna spend my hard-earned money on it. I'm gonna sell drugs and use that money to do it. I mean, it's it's not funny, but it's like it's it's it's truly how the reality was.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, that's a reality.

SPEAKER_02

And um, and so for me, uh that's what I did. I eventually um moved out to LA right when I graduated college at University of Michigan, and I was supposed to help launch a vodka out there, actually. And I this is I like at this point I did not even drink. I can't even tell you the last time I had a drink at the time. I don't even think I ever tried the vodka, but I was the first micro distilled vodka made in the US. It was like this flavored vodka, and my job fell through, and I decided to buy two turntables, and I was gonna become a famous DJ. Because I I saw uh uh opportunity when it came to like marketing and and there weren't any females in the industry. There was one other female that was like pretty big in in LA, like it was just saturated with male DJs, it was a male-dominated industry, and that was gonna be it. And I did really well and I did what I was gonna do. Um I I'm kind of one of those like if I see it and I can see the vision, like I'll I'll just do it. I don't know what the failure part, I should probably know a little bit more about failure and like what it's gonna feel like, but I just don't have an off. Like I just go and I can that's that's our motto, right, Kylie? Go before you're ready.

SPEAKER_00

Just go before you're ready.

SPEAKER_02

I'll just say I just do it. I just do.

SPEAKER_01

I I'm like, you know, and I love how you said you like I create it in my mind and then I just go.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

Dealing And The SWAT Raid

SPEAKER_01

Like, oh, I'm crazy. That's what I do. I create it in my mind and then I just go.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right. That's a good part of being an addict. And then if it doesn't work, you just adjust. Um, and so that was happening, and then I just started selling more and more drugs and um eventually had a full SWAT rate at my apartment, ended up getting put into LA County jail,$500,000 bail. It let me out the next day. I came to my apartment door. I had the Missouri feds, so I'm from Missouri, the Missouri Postal Feds were at my door saying I may possibly get a case with them. And so um that that wasn't even my bottom, which is the crazy part. So it was it scared me.

SPEAKER_01

Oh at this point.

Rehab Sobriety Prison And Rebuilding

SPEAKER_02

So I was 25, I would say. Um, so after that happened, I sat in my apartment for seven months. I don't know what I did. I I tried to stop using drugs, I stopped selling drugs, and I just was paranoid and just sort of like waiting to see what happened. But I never identified with an addict, like through any of this. Like I never thought I was an addict. I thought they they at least I am when I could say that. So I thought they were the people that like lived out of a car, shot up heroin, you know, like didn't have any money. And so what what I would say is I had a very high bottom. Like, I mean, really, I had SWAT rate in my house, so it's not that high, but I had money, I had an apartment, I had my family, I still had some friends, um, but I was emotionally like and spiritually bankrupt. So like there was nothing left by the time I hit my my actual bottom. Like, I just knew I knew in those seven months, like I needed to not die and I needed to try to stop using drugs, but I didn't know I was an addict, and I knew that I was probably gonna go to jail. Um, and it was just I'd be sick and tired of being sick and tired when I was ready. I knew I would hit a limit, and um that limit came when I asked my dog if I should go to rehab, and she put her head in my lap, and that's that was my first like, okay, I I'm something's not right, like I got a problem. And I called my parents and said, I need to go to treatment, and that was the best decision I could have ever made. It was April 19th, that was 2006, and oh my god, I loved rehab. Everything about it was like the if I could bottle it up and sell it, I always say, like, I'd be a billionaire. For me, it was amazing. Um, I was so done, and I was around people that I could identify with. Like, I didn't know I didn't know there was a 12-step program. I didn't know I know that I watched a lot of movies as a really, really young child about drug addicts and like alcoholics. Like I was very drawn to movies like that. And and maybe it's because I saw me in them. I don't know, but like I didn't, and that's all I knew about. Like, people would sit in a room with like a bunch of people and have a meeting, but uh it was so good. Um, you know, I went through that, I got out, and I didn't think back. Man, I I stayed sober through my prison time. I ended up doing my LA county time. I got out, I moved home, I got indicted with 22 to life federal time.

SPEAKER_00

Wait, okay, hold on one second. I have questions. Yeah, I gotta I gotta stop for just one second because this is so much information over a span of time. But so when you did when you did get your sentence, you need to have to go, you had already gone to rehab, so you went into the rehab.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I did it also, but I didn't relapse through any of it. Um I relapsed after I had a kid, which I'll get to that. That that's another story, another layer.

SPEAKER_00

But okay, so you so you were sentenced 22 to life?

Postpartum Relapse And Mommy Wine Culture

SPEAKER_02

So I was I was indicted looking at 22 to life for my federal case. I ended up getting 27 months federal time. I did that, I got out, and I got right into the health industry. So I became a personal trainer. I wanted to start my own business. I've just always been an entrepreneur. Like since like fifth grade, I was like working for tutoring services, like organizing their files. You know, it just was always like, I gotta make money. I don't want people to control me. I'm gonna make money. You know, that that was kind of my mindset. And so I got out and I didn't want to deal with having a felony on my record. I ended up with money laundering, which I didn't even know at the time what it was, but that was it's actually better than getting like conspiracy, which is like 10 years and some other things. So I ended up with that, and so getting a job, I thought was gonna be impossible. And I I I got certified to become a personal trainer and then was doing all this. Is the story where you'll probably hear it, where I was doing all the right things. I was working out, I was counting calories, and I felt like crap. Like, I mean, I started getting my periods like every two weeks. I was so bloated, like my rings and my skin hurt physically hurt my body so bad because I was just always retaining so much water, chronic diarrhea, and then I eventually got introduced to functional lab testing, and that's when I ran my first like food sensitivity test, my first Dutch panel, which is like the hormone panel, super estrogen dominant, you know, all the things that you hear all of us talk about when it comes to health and wellness. Like we I'm sure it's been spoken about on your podcast, but you know, all the things, and I was like, okay, well, I want to save money on these labs. So that's when I became an FDN practitioner. So I became an FDN in 2010, like pretty close to when I got out. Um, and so I've been doing just all that functional work um since then, incorporated with my um personal training, eventually switched over all the functional stuff. The I had 13 years, here's the other layers. I had 13 years sober, and I think that in the process of trying to get pregnant, it was very challenging, and my obsessive compulsive mind came back. Um, all that addict behavior started to brew. They say the disease is cunning and baffling, so it just was creeping on me. I mean, it was ready to go and getting ready to go. And I was trying to get pregnant. My ex-husband, who had 34 years sober, started drinking and smoking pot, which is fine. Like, listen, I could have said no. And honestly, I'm such an addict, and at the end of the day, I was really like happy because I wanted to get fucked up with him, is how I see it. Like, I didn't say no, like I didn't, like I didn't put a hard line on it. Like, I was like, Oh, this is gonna be fun after I have this kid.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

And I ended up getting pregnant, I had my baby, and I was sitting in a it's just something so simple with addicts, and I was sitting in a a breastfeeding class, and a woman said to me, Um, it's gonna be a lot easier if you just have a glass of wine. That was it.

SPEAKER_00

That was it, that's all you needed to hear.

SPEAKER_02

Yep, yep. And so I realized that was your permission. Yep, I asked my parents, actually, I kind of ran it by my parents, right? And then I, you know, started drinking. And I I never I have not used drugs or anything that I was using in LA, but I did start drinking. And I am going to tell you that from experiencing like all the other drugs and drinking, drinking is by far so much worse on the body. And I I feel I've always been pretty in tune with my body, but like what I went through when I started drinking and how it ended, how bad it got, and how hard it was to stop is nothing I've ever experienced in my life. My PCOS flared up, um, panic attacks at night, I mean, night sweats. Um I mean I mean These are all flaring up while you're trying to drinking. When I started drinking.

SPEAKER_00

Right. I think that that's I want to pause there for one quick second because many of us may know the the the woman that deserves the glass of wine after work, right? I've worked hard all day. I just want to come home, I want to chill, I want to have my glass of wine, which turns into a bottle of wine, which turns into every night having what is gonna be a half a glass of wine, it turns into a bottle of wine every night. Um it's socially acceptable to drink your wine. Uh but there are also the kind of people that are chronically afraid that they're they're all the things that are happening. And so because it's socially acceptable to do this kind of thing, this weird stuff of um they're putting together the effects of alcohol on the body and uh doing something that everybody else is doing that maybe you think you've earned or you deserved is this there's a whole bunch of layers to this. Alcohol community too.

SPEAKER_02

They're seeking, like for me, like I was seeking, like I spent 13 years listening personal training people and like listening to these great glamorous stories about people drinking in their wine, right? But it's like it's like community, like you you have a baby, and then this mommy wine culture like it's thrown in your face. Like we're gonna go meet up and have wine, we're gonna bring our babies, whatever we're gonna do. Like it became it was it's such a culture, and like if by that point I was going through like my marriage was falling apart, I was not that maternal, and I think I just like I just wanted a community, you know. I wanted to like just be able to go out and do the mom things. Like, I've never had female friends, like close female friends, like all of it, like it was just seeking something to help me feel whole again, that that tribe, and that's all I could find at the time, I think is a big part of it.

SPEAKER_00

Willing to put aside the fact that you were bloated and inflamed, and all of the things that alcohol is doing to destroy your body because you were gaining this community, or you know, all these other things. Like, we'll ignore the destruction of the alcohol on the body, and it is so destructive, which is what I was gonna say before. We're in this like such an accepting place of a glass of wine or a bottle of wine every night, and we all giggle about it. Well, we all's never been my friend, but um everybody's like giggling about the wine and but I don't just feel like Such crap because it's so destructive. You're destroying your blood sugar balance. You're so inflamed. Your gut is destroyed. No wonder why you're saying, like, compared to the drugs.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I tell people like go microdose mushroom. I'm not telling you. I'm not telling you to do that. But I mean, it's like, but I mean, alcohol is a beast. And the thing is, like, I didn't I don't know that I knew. Like, I was okay at first. Like, I was okay at first. Like, it didn't really phase me. I had a good run where I wasn't feeling that bad. But then the blackout started. And then, I mean, I was also by the end, I was drinking a bottle of gin. Like I'd start at four o'clock. Like I couldn't make it past four o'clock. And I didn't know I was having DTs. And like at this point, yeah, I was, I w I had been doing all the right things, but like I didn't, you know, you you feel so bad, you just drink it away. Like it's like I'm bloated. I feel like my hormones are flaring up. I can't get a handle on it. Like I'm dealing with trauma. My nervous system is totally overloaded. I have this baby. Like, I'm just gonna check out.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_02

My marriage was falling apart. Like I would, I like at this point, like for me, by the end of it, I would say like the last like you know, 11 months of it. I I mean, I didn't really go out and drink. I wasn't even doing the mommy wine culture. I never even did that. Like, I don't even know. Like, I never even got to that point. Um there, there's that. Like, you don't even get there. I just, I, I, you know, my health was okay, but I knew, but I was also doing like potato-based vodka. I was doing vodka derived from grapes. But I knew when I was like grabbing the airplane bottles like on the way out and the and just throwing them in the cart and trying to manage like my manage my drinking my airplane bottles and like didn't even care what was in it, like that was hard. I was like, okay, this is bad because like now I'm getting gluten, I'm doing all these things that I that I had like my functional person, you know, saying to me, and and uh yeah, I I the silver lining is I literally physically went through the changes that it does to your body. And I mean, I it was a it was a mess. Like everything was off. My lap, I mean, you name it, like, and I could not fix it. But you don't ever want to blame what's what you think is making you feel better. Because if it's a temporary feel better, but then like you gotta look at like what like what's it doing to me at night? Like, why am I not why do you always wake up at night every time you drink? Because your liver is trying to detoxify that alcohol. It's bottom line, it's an invader, your body wants it out, it doesn't care about all the other things it's supposed to do that day, your estrogen, your progesterone, the toxins, anything like that. Alcohol is gonna be the number one thing. It's gonna spike your cortisol, your blood sugar's gonna drop, you're gonna wake up and you're gonna do it again. Like it's like this is just gonna continue. So then your cortisol, your liver, your detox pathways. I always love the I always love when I say, like, would you drink hand sanitizer? Because it's like the same, it's the same fucking thing, you know, and you're just killing all the bacteria in your gut. I mean, the list goes on.

SPEAKER_00

So what was your turning point?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, um, so my turning point. So I I prayed. Why I'm even praying for this, it's a whole nother story, but I wanted a guy to pop into my life that was like tall, covered in tattoos, had a kid, and was sober. Like, why can't I just meet a good guy? Like, I shouldn't have been dating, like, none of these things. Like, I needed to focus on recovery, and uh, and so I would get a little bit of time and then like not, and then so I was doing a little better. And I met this guy at a kid's birthday party the next day, and it was like everything I could have wished for, and it was like a good seven, eight month run of just someone who was so love. What what felt like I don't even know if I met him today, but it felt to me like something I'd never had, like so loving. Uh he had family that I never had, just so many things. And I relapsed in the very beginning. I read like a month, and then I think I relapsed, and then I what he knows about, I ended up relapsing again um December 22nd night or whatever, 23rd. Um, I relapsed again, I told him, and he basically walked out of my life. Like, like we were gonna move it, like it was like all the things, and uh he walked out of my life, and that was it. And so I had to lose a human being for me to be able to like wake up, is what I is how I look at it. I don't know, but all I know is that was my breaking point, is like I met this guy, came in my life, exactly what exactly what I prayed for, only to be ripped out of my life due to my due to me drinking. Like, I that's to me, that's like the lowest of dirtiest, most disgusting things is that like I've lost someone because I'm such an alcoholic. And it happens, man. That's what we do. Like, you know, I I've made so many amends and my relationships in my life are so much better, but you know, that was it for me. Like I never really lost a person.

SPEAKER_00

Right. So when was this? How long ago was that?

SPEAKER_02

So that was December 23rd 23, maybe I've like a little three and a half years.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so you're so you're new back into your new sobriety.

SPEAKER_02

I am, I'm still a baby in my mind. I think I'll I've just tried, I think I'll always be a baby. Because it can just happen. I mean, I had it, you know.

SPEAKER_00

I think that I I have um I have a a client of mine who has been sober now 35, 36 years, something like that. It's a long time. Yeah. She does her meetings still regularly, she will sponsor people. She if her sponsor for whatever reason is no longer her life, she will always make sure she has a sponsor in her 60s. And she's been sober all the time. And yeah, if I gave her a recipe that had like, you know, you put a little bit of wine in it that gets cooked off. Absolutely not. A kombucha, kombucha that's been fermented, she will not drink, you know, like she's not going to drink it. She will take zero risk. She's been sober for so long. So she's in a place right now where obviously 30-something years later, she feels very stable in her sobriety and she's not willing, like that comes first for everything for her. And yet she lives a life where it's like it could be tomorrow. Tomorrow could still be that day.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah. Like I just After all of that. Like it's I just say if I'm if I ever think about it, like I don't have a lot of cravings like I did when but like I just say, you know, I'm gonna die. Like I don't like I don't have any more in me. Like I don't, I will die. Like I'm not coming back. My ego, the my humility, like every everything. Like I I don't think I just say that. Like I don't think I'll come back. I think I'm just gonna die. Um, whether it's a slow death or it happens right away, it will not be good because I've already been arrested, I've already been a rehab, like all the things, you know. I always I already like at the end of my other one, like I was having panic attacks like all night, every night. Like, and I was like ready to just start like taking well butrin and like doing, I was like, I just need medication. Like I like, and then I quit like in one week after quite drinking, it all went away. Like, you know, but that's the addict. Like, I don't know, you're so in it, it's hard to see it.

SPEAKER_00

I think too, we we you talked in the beginning about how you when you're doing lectures, you're in person or on Zoom and you have everybody stand up, but like who who has had somebody in their life, right? And when you're saying that, that's immediately what is it brings me right back to so many of us have this in our life. And in your particular case, you're educated. You're educated on all of the healthy things to do to support your life and what all these things are doing to uproot all your your wellness, and yet you still chose that alcohol again.

SPEAKER_02

Powerful.

SPEAKER_00

It is wild.

SPEAKER_02

Like, don't I don't really bog with sugar, I don't eat gluten. Like, if I do a test and it says don't do this, I just won't do it. But I could not like, and and I think part of it though was like I I did start saying, like, I think I need outpatient to my family. And like I did start like crying for help, and they I got a lot of like, oh, you were in prison, you'll be fine. Oh, you've done it before, you'll figure it out, you know. And that I think was like the hardest part is like I you guys just have this idea that I'm just like this, like can do anything person, and I'm not like everybody's human at the end of the day, and we all have weaknesses, and we all have you know baggage and things that we cannot pull through without the help of other people that response is just a lack of understanding and knowledge.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I think that there's a lot of us that say, okay, we know alcoholism, drug addiction, it's a disease, it's it's this, that. We could we can say that, but not truly live it or understand it. Because that response to me is watched you walk through it and support you, so maybe they understand it a little bit, but I think it's a lack of understanding, and then I think it's probably just my personality.

SPEAKER_02

You know, I come across like I'm very independent, you know. So it was a good, you know, you know what I mean? It's a good check for me to be like, because now today I've learned like in this new chunk of sobriety, like yeah, I have to ask for help. Like I have to really ask for help, not just be like, oh, maybe I need uh, you know, whatever it is, I just need to lay it out there, be very clear of what I'm what I'm seeking, you know. I'm very clear, like with um like female relationships. I'm very open and very vulnerable now with them because I'm trying to have them in my life. And so that's something else is like I'll just be very clear on my expectation. If like I'm not getting, like if they're not ever gonna ask me out for coffee and I'm reaching out constantly or something like that, like I'm done. Like I'll have a I'll have I'm 45.

SPEAKER_00

That's part of that decade though, right?

SPEAKER_02

40 stop giving a fuck.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, there's just less of them to give at that point. Like I would so Kylie's in her 30s, you're in your 40s, I'm in my 50s, and I think that with every single decade, Kylie's heard me say this before. You just you circle the fences, you don't have as much energy to put it to stop matter to us. Like you just don't know. You're probably survival childhood, most likely. Like just in survival mode. I don't know. I just feel uh if you're third if you're if you're if you're in a childbreaking era or maybe you're still single and you're not doing the kids away. Community is everything. You want those friendships wherever they're coming from. And then in your 40s, you're just like, I don't have time for the BS anymore. I'm I'm done. So every single decade it gets better. Wait till you hit your 50s because it's gonna even be better. I promise you.

Peptides Enter The Recovery Conversation

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think a big part of it too is like I started, well, I mean, for the podcast is I started peptides and I started seeing a womb healer. And those two things have moved the needle in a way with my health that I can't even tell you. Like, so the the womb healer, it's like a healer, Reiki, all the things. I've been to a million of them. Um, she's something else, man. Right. What? Energy work. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I I don't I lay there, I do, I don't know what I do, I don't do anything, whatever it is. But I am telling you, like my entire like I was waking up in the morning and I was like, I would have like these real positive thoughts. They were like, I'm not that I'm negative, but like these little affirmations that would like pop in my head and I like say it out loud, I was like, like I'd be like shocking myself. I'm like, well, that's something right, and then it just like my whole business changed, everything changed. Um at the same, it was it was similar, like it was probably six months prior or so. I started integrating peptides too, and and that took me um to a level of help that I've I'd really never experienced. I used to like wake up and just feel like the power of the peptides. Like it would come to me and I had tears in my eyes because I'm like, I have like this is the shit people talk about being normal. Like, is this what normal people feel like? Because I could actually like heal my cells, like repair. Basically, my mouth went and pulled out, and I did you know, implants, I mean, all the stuff with a biological dentist, you know, it was three years of just like yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm backside of that myself.

SPEAKER_00

I get it. That's a that's a big thing that you decide to head down that road. So peptides, obviously, that's what we're here to really like get to because your story's incredible. So you started with peptides, and I'm assuming you have a staff, you've maybe done some things that are in and out. Like, where did you begin? I know when we interviewed my friend Stephanie, it was the first time in our life that she started microdosing that that addicted side of her brain and everything, like so she transferred from alcohol, which uh something like if she kept going, like no matter how many times we start the next time she was like that, it's just her bottoms were terrible. But it was the first time that addiction something else, but it was how it was going on, her her workouts, her workload, whatever it was, just transferring addiction from one thing to the other. But when she started microdosing, it was the first time she felt even though she felt maybe she had like an eddy beer every once in a while or something because it was scratching it, even though it wasn't alcoholic. That all disappeared for her. Like none of that, whether it was the workout, the food, the alcohol, it all for the first time stabilized her. She wasn't she wasn't focused on that, like the focused on the fight, I guess.

SPEAKER_01

Let me just pipe in real quickly. That episode that Jess is referring to is number 14. So if you want to go back and listen to Stephanie's story that's very similar to Samantha's here, um peptides go far beyond weight loss. It's just that's what you see. Oh, yeah, I don't even know. So let's talk about these from uh from your perspective, Sam.

BPC-157 TB-500 And Oral Healing

SPEAKER_02

So so peptides for me, I got into them. I got into them not ever thinking it would pertain to anything with addiction. Like really, my whole business is just like all these little streams of my life come into one, which is just such a beautiful thing. But I got into I was I was injecting BPC 157 and TP500. That's my first experience is I took an injection of it and I did it in my gums. Like I just that's such an addict behavior. Like, I don't even like I'm not gonna do it. Like, I'm not gonna test it in my gut. And I literally, oh, we just lost that well. And I literally just um I injected it into my gums and all the inflammation. Yes, like up in my gums.

SPEAKER_01

Holy that was it.

SPEAKER_02

And then you were doing the is this because when you were doing my mouth, I was so sick, and I just I'd done so many surgeries and implants, and like that wasn't healing, and they were wanting to do more bone grappling and all this stuff. So what I did was I just injected it, and it was like all the inflammation came down. And eventually the dentist thought I was seeing other dentists to get like all this healing done, and to like I mean, it was crazy, and you know how peptides are just like little miracle workers, and so I that was like peptides are like little miracle workers, yes, they are little miracle molecules. Um and remind me, I made up a really funny joke the other day. Um, a side note, I'm gonna do a sidebar really quick. I was it was it was your peptide porn name, so it's the first peptide you ever tried, and then the most recent peptide you ever did, which is gonna be your peptide porn name. Because you know how you do like your street you grew up on, and like I was gonna I was like, this is a brilliant reel. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna post it this week. Yeah, it's funny. But so I did that, and then I started to just take a deep dive. I got certified with like three different certifications, and I was like, I need to learn to do this. I tried, um, I got on Reditrue. I mean, I did like the NAD, the glutathione, and then I did Red A, or Redatrutide, and that was a game changer. So coming from the background of PCOS, and I was in that like perimenopausal, like I think I put 15 pounds on. Like, I'm a little person. Um, once I like just got healthy, you know, that was like, I don't know, 2013 or so. Like, I I I've been pretty stable with my weight. I had put on like 15 pounds. Um, and the RETA and the BPC and the TB 500, it was like all the inflammation went away. And I my PCOS was completely under control. Um the food noise is I didn't realize I had food noise, but as an addict, I guess we I mean, I think everybody has it. There's a lot of a lot of that, but all that noise, whatever it's addict noise or not, it it went away, um, it went away, and I knocked off that weight. Obviously, I I like I do the other thing. So like you can't just take a GLP and and think it's gonna be the the magic sauce. Like, you need to do, you know, you gotta do the foundations of nutrition, movement, health op uh, hormone optimization, like detox pathways and gut. Um, I don't know how many big like peptide guys that I like meet at conferences and stuff, and I'm like, you should do a GI panel with me. And we do it, and it's like awful. But they're doing it, like, but I do peptides. I'm like, that's okay.

SPEAKER_00

You cannot out peptide a bad lifestyle. You just you can't. It's just like you, you know, runners. You know, how many people do you know that are hardcore runners in your life? And then they would come home and you know, eat a pint of ice cream and start their day off with like coffee with full of sugar and all that stuff, but but they run seven miles a day, you know. So they might be they might even be thin and look good from the outside, but they're skinny fat internally, like they're just a mess.

GLP-1s Microdosing And Food Noise

SPEAKER_02

Oh, it's a mess, yeah. So it's been interesting to run all these panels, but on those guys, but you know, yeah, and peptides don't kill like gut infections and things like that. But the but the Reditru Tide was like, I was like, I've never experienced anything like this. Like this is what people and I microdosed it, like I did a really small dose. And for me, I mean I I do it once a month now because I I mean I lost so much body fat. Um, you know, I'm I'm I'm small already, so it it it were I was a very good responder to it. And so um, you know, and then I just went down the gamut, you know. It was like I'm an addict, get at a candy store.

SPEAKER_00

I think that all of us do that, right? Like it's like you realize them all to me. What are you doing today?

SPEAKER_02

Oh my God, we're gonna do some VIP, we're gonna do, you know. Um I I mean, I have a couple clients I just, you know, in the past couple, probably the past five months, I I started some AOD because the red uh, the red or true side wasn't actually it was making them too, it was dimming their light too much. So like they didn't enjoy their partner anymore. They didn't want to have sex, they got really depressed on it. And so, and they have weight to to get off. And so when it's over 40 pounds of weight and they're doing all the other things and it's not working. I just started putting in AOD is a great one, but like I that's like one of the ones I haven't tried, but I've tried so many.

SPEAKER_01

Have you tried the GHKCU?

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, yep. What do you do? I think it's good. I didn't notice anything for about six months. It stings, but if you stack it with other things, I always get that one separate and I don't stack it with um like T T V, uh the BPC and the TB, I usually will always have stacked, but I always put the GHK copper in late, like when I do it. Um if you leave it at room temperature, it might not sting as much.

SPEAKER_00

It's it's a little bit easier when you bring it up to room temperature. I think Kylie and I, after we're done with this, we're recording an expectations podcast because my inbox is always full of people that are like, I've been doing this for a week and nothing.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00

Set the expectation, but with the GHK, that's another one, right? People think that there's an automatic facelift or whatever, and it does, it does sting. And all right. Um, so we're gonna talk about all of that in that podcast. Uh I was on the phone with um one of our partners earlier this morning, and I was doing my mop C injection, and I pulled it out, and I almost accidentally threw away a full bottle. Like I finished the bottle, and when I was switching it out, I almost put the full bottle in the garbage, and I was like, oh my gosh, that would have been all this money I literally put in the garbage. And I realized I love peptides so much that my little basket of my current peptides, and it's mine, and my husband's are in there, is like overflowing. Like I need a different system because we have so many peptides in the house.

SPEAKER_02

They have like a little, like, they have these little things on Amazon you can buy. That's like it's like a it's like a trapper keeper for peptides. Remember the trapper keepers? You like unzip it, but then you keep them all in there and then they stay so the light isn't on them from the fridge. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, so they won't get damaged or anything like that. So if they have it, just look it up. It might be like an insulin like case or something, but I think I looked up like peptide thing. You could get it and you put like your logo on it and do some swag.

SPEAKER_00

I like that.

SPEAKER_02

That's a great thing. Right?

SPEAKER_00

But it's all the things.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we need the disclaimers, we need the expectations on peptides. I mean, even Mat C, like when I first did it, I was like, like it was really speedy for me, and it took me a long time at a really low dose to really like figure out what worked best for me. Even like C.

SPEAKER_00

I felt horrible the first two weeks. Absolutely. Absolutely horrible. Now I feel great. But my first two weeks were rough with MOTC. Um, and REDA did not work for me either. So I switched from trusepatide, microdosing trisepatide to reta truthide, and I was way too wired on it. Way too wired.

Expectations Stacks And Side Effects

SPEAKER_02

So this is interesting. So with uh addicts, I've been experimenting with so my people who are in recovery, uh most of them have been in recovery for a while, but they just haven't felt better. So, like, because they haven't done the lifestyle changes. So you get sober, but you don't always feel like amazing. But I um what I've done with them is I've done a blend because Retta, I don't know how Retta's gonna do in the gen pop, like once it's out there. But I think that it doesn't curb the food noise enough or the noise, let's say noise, for addicts to make it work. Because after you've been on Retta for whatever, two months, you you want to eat, everything kind of normalizes, and that's a great thing about it, I think, in some ways, but then like with an addict, you need a little bit. So, what I do is I'm doing a blend of the two. So I'm doing like 15 units sometimes with five units of Retta, 15 of trisepatide, or I'll have them do trisepatite, then retta, truseptide, then reta to just kind of like so they can still get that like the food noise part. Like you might do really well on just a little bit of retta in with your trisepatide.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, I I I added, I feel like I'm getting the the mozzie is giving me what I needed from the Retta, obviously different peptide, but I think that that's targeting some of the things I wanted it to target. But what I'm thinking I just listened to, I can't think of this guy's name on Instagram. And he was talking about people that are stacking the Retta and the Truseptide, and he was all on a rage, like, don't do it. It's the same key that's going into the same hole and whatever. And as you say that, I'm like, okay, I get that, but I know people are doing it and they're doing it well. So it's interesting because Retta and Trisepatide both have GLP1 and the GIP. Um so they are kind of the same thing. So what you just think you need more of the thing. I just think it's the goating agonists.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, well, Retta just like it's just it's more about what the emotional part of my my client. So I build programs based off, you know, the client. Yeah. They're all so different. But I have a lot of the addicts, like Gen Pop's a little different, but like the addicts, they they do really well on the on on both of them, shall I say. But Reta eventually, like you're you eat on Reta, like you're hungry, you have an appetite, all those things. It's the same thing, like you're hungry for you have you have more food cravings. Like it doesn't it doesn't get rid of the noise like Tris' appetite does. And so if you still keep your dose, and this is my personal opinion, um, and I've talked to a lot of really trained people on it, and doctors, um, I think that if you keep the if you're still microdosing, that's the same, that's the key. Is like let's not burn out your receptors and we'll stay on this for a period of time, we'll work with it. But then while you're doing that, is where you're like, okay, you you know, we have we we have our tools, right? We know what we're doing with our clients, but like, okay, this is when you need to go see your healer. You need to go do this because we need to you gotta learn how to live again. You know, so let's add in whatever sober coaches or whatever we gotta do, or therapists for who whatever it is that people you know need that they want dimmed. It's it's that's when you bring in the alternative solutions to help them learn how to live, like so they're not always there's not always a need for something that's gonna dim the noise or the rhetoric or the traceptide because eventually you gotta cycle off.

SPEAKER_00

You know, I mean Yeah, with with an addict, I one of the and I might be completely wrong at my thought on this, but when I'm talking with people that are um dealing with an addiction, and we're not even just talking about alcohol and drugs, we're talking cigarettes, we're talking sex, we're talking all of these different things where this can this can step in and help people, right? So one of the things that I've said, and correct me, if you are in an active state of addiction, don't expect the peptide to come and bail you out.

SPEAKER_02

So we're really more right, like so can you I mean I have clients that drink, they like to drink a lot, whatever their addicts are not, it doesn't matter. But like I'm like, you're like I why don't work with me. Like, like you're why are you doing all these growth hormone peptides and you're plowing down a bunch of alcohol and then you're drinking at night and expecting this to work? Like it's just not gonna work. Like, if you want to waste your money and and and we'll we'll order you some peptides, but like it's not gonna work. Alcohol will, it's the roadblock on everything, like everything. I mean, you're you're depressed, you're unhappy. I mean, maybe at the time when you drink, you want to take all your clothes off and go crazy, but like at the end of the day, like it's like then you're you know, you wake up the next day, you're bloated, you're uncomfortable, you feel like crap, you're not showing up for your kids, you're not doing any of the things. So, like, I think it's just alcohols and peptides. I mean, I don't know. Like, it's not a good thing. It's not your savior.

Recovery Foundations NAD Glutathione Labs

SPEAKER_00

It's the peptides are not gonna save you from it. So we're talking about people that are really working on sobriety, that are working on recovery and peptides being part of that recovery process.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they need 30 days at least, sober and an actionable plan. You know, I think is important before you add it in. I don't, I do so there are treatment centers that I work with, and we will come in and uh we'll do like NAD and and things like that that they're thyroid.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, alcohol depletes all your minerals, all your B vitamins, all you know, you're totally imbalanced. So that's gonna affect your adrenals and all that. So like doing a Myers cocktail, doing NAD, doing glutathione, obviously with a I mean, there's such a also like if you have issues with needles, like if you are a needle user, that's something you have to look at. These are all things on intakes that you have to pay attention to that, like, you know, so that's another factor, but like really those are the foundational things. It's like getting those IV drips, getting NAD, getting glutathione, getting them on, you know, hormone optimization and detox pathway stuff. Maybe a liver, you know, a liver uh bioregulator would be a great, great thing. Tymogen, thymusinalpha 1, all these things are great things to add in. And then, you know, you get to know them once they get their sobriety under wrap, um, you know, then you can add in just like a little bit of Retta, is what I would do. Um, but if someone's like, you know, it depends on the, I think that for me, it depends on the level of the addict. So when I work with addicts or in treatment, it's how how bad was their addiction? Like if it's someone coming off heroin and doing all the things, like you're not gonna jump on a GLP. But if it's if it's like a mom that just drank a lot and like is now in rehab, like I don't think it's a bad idea. You know, it's case by case, but you know, if it's opioids, I would do more of the nasal sprays. I would do more like CMAX and C-Link and D SIP and like try to get their sleep regulated and get them so they're not gonna like rip their skin off trying to come off those drugs. I mean I mean, yeah. I mean, you got testopensine, which is like meth in a capsule, and like those other ones, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So you said a couple things here. I'm just trying to take like your clinical bombs that you've been dropping and and make them simplified. So like people who are listening, it's like, okay, where do I get started? And I think one of the biggest pieces that we haven't talked about much on this podcast yet is glutathione.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

When we're talking about liver and we're talking about alcohol and the toxins and just toxins, period. Like whether you want to look up in the sky and see a cloud or see the streak of chemicals that is getting dropped on us, like that's just a component of life now. Uh so glutathione is something that can be a huge liver booster. You want to dive into a little bit of that for us?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so it's it's your master detox, you know. I mean, I don't know what kind of labs you run, but like I'll run the Dutch panel. Um, I know that one will at least give me the marker of like where your glutathione is.

SPEAKER_01

You're probably big into just regular labs. So things like AST, ALT.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, you can go to the colour. Yeah. My dog is screaming. Can you hear that?

SPEAKER_00

A little bit. It's all it's all good then.

SPEAKER_02

I'll keep going. I mean I'm here.

SPEAKER_03

Come here. Come here.

SPEAKER_02

You're gonna have to edit. It's all good. He's like a little frenchie from hell.

SPEAKER_00

Come here. Well, whenever I get on the phone, whenever I am doing anything, my dog is uh always gonna start barking in the background and wants my attention. So I get it. I completely get it. Kylie, I saw you writing furious notes while we were talking. I see you. Like you've got all these great things. So we've we've kept Samantha a long time, so we can probably wrap up, but I'm sure there's something in there that you may have wanted to touch on.

SPEAKER_02

All right, I'll put it on the back.

SPEAKER_01

I think we'll we'll do some follow-up episodes with it because I've got like you know, you guys were just dropping bombs. I'm like, oh, I've been doing more of that.

SPEAKER_00

But I'm sorry, you were saying in the glutathione.

SPEAKER_02

So um, so yeah, so for glutathione, I think it's great. It's a your master detox. Um, it's easy to get a hold of. I don't think that it's gonna hurt you to do a little extra if you're you know just coming off bandwagon and be just even if you were just drinking a little bit and you stop drinking. Like this is not like the work that I do does not just go for addicts. It's for anyone that is drinking or just decides. Most women get into paramonic penaboles and they cannot drink. And they have one drink and then they're just like done. That's usually a sign the super hangovers are a sign of low NAD. I mean, I have people who still drink that I work with, but um, you know, there's gray area drinkers and people who just drink a little bit, but um, glutathione is a good one. It's your master detox, it's gonna just help with those drainage pathways and open it up, you know, liver, kidney, gallbladder, get all those toxins out, um, and flush things through. If you're constipated, if you have acne, it's really good for those kind of things. But I think, you know, there's patches, there's liposomo, and there's injectable or IVs. But I like, you know, IV, then I would do injectable, in my personal opinion, um, which can burn a little bit, so it's kind of hard to find that one sometimes. Um, patches are great, and liposoma would probably be like the next. There's some chewable, I think that just came out.

SPEAKER_00

But it makes Kylie happy because I'm forever talking about coffee enemas, so you know, anyway.

SPEAKER_02

I do all dude, I do a lot of old school stuff. I gotta quit back.

SPEAKER_00

I get grumpy if I don't get to do mine, so you know.

SPEAKER_02

Dude, I mean a castor oil pack is like I mean, that's the greatest thing ever. I do all of it. My clients are doing some weird stuff, and then I'll throw like new school and throw them with some peptides. I mean, kind of new peptides in there. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They've been around for decades this year.

SPEAKER_02

Are you doing SS31 with your MOTC?

SPEAKER_00

I have not done SS31 because where we're getting our peptides, we don't have that one there yet. So well, maybe I'll help you out with that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I would do them together. I would do them together.

SPEAKER_00

We'll we'll talk about that. Yeah. Um, all right. I think uh Kylie, was there something you wanted to add on before we wrap up?

SPEAKER_01

I think if you're if you're looking at glutathione and liver, just run and grab your labs, your blood work, and look at AST and ALT. Those will be in the bottom of your metabolic panel. You want to have those numbers float around 15. So I've seen them anywhere in the 200s, in the 300s. Um, but if you're over 25-ish, I would definitely consider glutathione as a part of your peptide stack. And if you're just like, Kylie, I don't even know where to begin, and you look at your labs and you're like, oh, my AST and my ALTs are 36 and 38, go grab some glutathione. You cannot go wrong with glutathione and helping your liver deal with the lifestyle and the environment we live in.

Where To Find Sam And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_00

Throw out my mic drop quick little labs. All right, before we finish up, Sam, um, where can people find you to work with you?

SPEAKER_02

Um, if you just Google C Fit Living, S-E-E-F-I-T Living, you'll probably find me, but it's CFitliving.com. I'm on Instagram at CFit Living. Um, if you want to chat with me, I do a free clarity call. So we just chat all things about your health and take a deep dive for about an hour and then see what goes from next.

SPEAKER_00

CFit Living, both Instagram and your website. All right, cool. Well, just to close this out, and we hope that you take away this is a long conversation, it was so good, but we hope today's conversation you're gonna take away this. Addiction is complex and it's not just behavioral, and sometimes it's not just a matter of making a different choice. There are real physiological, neurological, and biochemical factors that play a role that deserve to be understood and supported. So peptides could be one piece of that conversation, not necessarily a replacement, as we just talked about for the work and not in isolation, but as a tool that might be a way to support the body and a way that make change feel more possible and more sustainable. And when those tools are paired with the right support, nutrition, lifestyle, and a deeper understanding of what's happening in the body, that's where we're gonna start to see what happened. That's why this conversation matters so much, because it expands on what recovery can look like, what support can actually mean. If you are curious about peptides or if you're exploring what this could look like for you, I'd love to support you doing it the right way, safely, responsibly, with strong foundations in place. So, you know where you can find Sam? You can find me on my website, b2bwith.com. I share education and some resources also on my Instagram page. That is JessB TalksHealth. And if you know somebody who might need to hear this episode, share it with them. Post it on your social media. Let's get this kind of education out there. Kylie?

SPEAKER_01

I'm a lab girl. You guys know I'm a lab girl. If you have blood work, you can now go upload your labs and get a personalized peptide plan at protocol.drKylie Burton.com. We are beta testing this platform, so it's only$18. It will soon be$88. But just grab your labs and go upload it again at protocol.drKBurton.com. And uh that's where I'm gonna send you guys today. Um that's a wrap. Pep talk, peptides unpacked. Thanks, Sam.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, thank you so much.