Episode 17: Saints, Sinners & Summer Dresses

Episode 17: Saints, Sinners & Summer Dresses

Fashion has opinions, and so do we. In this episode, we broke down the designers doing the absolute most right now — in the best way — before turning around and filing a formal report on the looks and trends that had no business leaving the mood board. No cancellations, no mean girl energy. Just two women with taste and zero apologies.

Then they closed it out the only way that made sense: a full summer trend audit. What’s coming into the rotation, what’s getting left in the cold, and a rapid-fire In or Out that had them on opposite sides more than once. Spoiler — they did not agree on everything. And that’s exactly the point.

In this episode:
– The designers earning their flowers right now
– The trends and looks that are being reported, not praised
– Summer 2025: what stays, what goes, and where we drew the line

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Transcript

SPEAKER_08 0:21

Now let me, this is where I get why I think I'm not I don't enjoy fashion the way I used to, because everything now feels like every brand collab or activation just feels like let's the craze of like let's get everybody to wait in line at three in the morning for two days. Everybody buy three, we're gonna sell it online for 10 times the price tomorrow. And like that's the whole point of it. And I just that that mix of like overconsumption slash like getting everybody hyped up for things that no one's gonna actually be able to get who's a fan, these weird people who like make it their life to flip fashion, like they're fit flipping a fucking house. I just like I'm so tired of that whole thing. If you were a fan of Swatcher AP and you weren't like in the 1% that probably got like an invite to pre-purchase, you're not one of the weirdos who's gonna wait in line. Like, I just miss when you could do a collab like this or do a really cool special limit edition something, and like it would reach the intended audience, and it'd be something really cool and really niche, and like they didn't need to go viral and have somebody trampled.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Hey girl, hey, hello Okay, you have to do that now. I think it's it's so funny. I love it. Hello.

SPEAKER_08 2:03

That's what my grandma used to do when you would call her on the phone. She'd be like, hello.

SPEAKER_05 2:10

How you doing, sunshine?

SPEAKER_08 2:13

I am absolutely magical. I'm like, I'm terrible. I'm so happy that I have this slice of of or break of the seat because girl, I'm tired.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

I know. You've been around the world and now yay.

SPEAKER_08 2:28

I just want to use this as an opportunity to say two things. One, I hate youth sports. Two if I ever was wondering if I was brave enough to do a youth sports episode this weekend, I'm ready to tell my story.

SPEAKER_04 2:44

You're ready, you're ready to tell my story.

SPEAKER_08 2:46

I think an episode's coming sooner than later. I I think an episode's coming.

SPEAKER_05 2:50

Oh yes, definitely before the the summer ends. Oh yes.

SPEAKER_08 2:53

Yeah, an episode I I foresee one definitely coming because man oh man, we've all lost our minds. And it and it's not just soccer. I've met other USWorts moms this weekend and they're like, yeah, no, no, it's bad everywhere. Um yeah, that's that's again, it's so nice to do this show and like have adult conversations and adult conversations that are not surrounded by every waking moment of your child's existence. Like, I always wait for the moment that we talk about something else that's not soccer or our kids or kids' soccer or puberty or hormones or school or grades or middle school. Like it's an easy way to bond when you're meeting people, but like when are we gonna move on to the good stuff? Like when are we gonna start talking about like you know, I don't know, butt stuff. I don't care.

SPEAKER_05 3:35

Something something adultish.

SPEAKER_08 3:38

Something, something that we don't talk to our kids about around our kids. Damn it. When's the adult happy hour conversation? And I don't want to hear about nobody's husbands either. They all suck. I get it. What else? Give me something whimsical.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

Whimsical.

SPEAKER_08 3:56

Give me something good.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

Give me something good. Oh, oh, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Well, I'm over here. I think I'm good. I think I'm alright.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

My neighbor, oh my gosh. That's a whole nother story. That's you know what? Because you have your stories too. We need to do a neighbor episode, like straight up. I mean, and I want to do a segment on these HOA heathens who think they rule the world. Uh, security of the world, crazy.

SPEAKER_08 4:31

We don't, I don't mean, I'm not that involved, obviously, because I just don't care. There was like a moment where like the HOA thing was a big deal because they were like trying to vote against something happening in the community. But I don't think anybody's so crazy where like an individual is like, I'm gonna find you. I think they on their own, I don't know if they got spies right here or what, but they will like catch you if you painted your house the wrong color or if you have like the wrong mailbox or whatever. My thing is like, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna fight me over it? I live here.

SPEAKER_04 5:03

I live here.

SPEAKER_10 5:04

What are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_05 5:05

We own this, we're not renters, we're not tenants. Calm down. Calm. Yeah, we're definitely gonna get in that. So I'm appreciating our conversation today because it has nothing to do with like negative people.

SPEAKER_08 5:19

Yeah, um, you may get some negative Nancy comments out of me, but that's just that's just me.

SPEAKER_05 5:25

Oh my gosh. So, group chat, we're gonna switch gears a little bit because I know it's been a little heavy, which I mean, the world is heavy. You do we not see it falling apart? But sometimes we just need a little relief, a little respite. So summer's around the corner. There's all these fabulous trends going on in fashion, and uh the runways are lighting up with the spring summer collection. So we thought let's dip into our fashion bag. We're not the fashion police, okay? We're not we're not doing all these. We could you know what?

SPEAKER_08 6:05

I would argue, I would argue if you really like sat down and like rolled out the credentials. Half the people that are on like fashion police now, we I I would argue that we are just ass, if not more qual than qualified, to what we are wearing, if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_05 6:21

Yeah, I don't like fashion police, but maybe like the fashion group chat. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 6:26

That's cute. That's cute, you know.

SPEAKER_05 6:28

So we're gonna talk about it today. The designers doing the most in the best way, the looks that made us physically concerned, because there's some where I'm like, why, what is the purpose? And then the summer pieces uh that are coming home with us, and whether they're in or out. And at the end, we're gonna play a you know, quick little rapid fire game. So you ready to get into it, ma'am?

SPEAKER_08 6:50

Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

You ready to talk your stuff?

SPEAKER_08 6:53

Work, cover girl.

SPEAKER_06 6:55

Do your thing.

SPEAKER_05 6:58

This episode is called Saints, Sinners, and Summer Dresses. And so we're gonna start with Saints, and Saints are the designers in the collections that are giving us moments, making us excited about summer coming. So we're gonna give them their flowers now freely, and we're gonna celebrate the fun new trends that are coming up. So, Ashley, I want to ask you first, what is one collection that you've seen, or maybe a designer where you've seen multiple pieces where you're like, ooh, I could get all of that. I want all of that. I want to take that. Give me that.

SPEAKER_08 7:37

Um, oh my gosh. I mean, this is so okay. Let me let me preface you guys by to know me when I talk about fashion is is to understand how truly out of touch with reality that I am, okay? So let's just be very clear there. So on the low end for summer, the basic bitch in me is always gonna love aloe. Just because I mean, I totally get that people complain about the price the for the price point that it's is and still is, and I think it goes up compared to the materials that they use now, they're a lot more mass reduced. I get that back in the day before us basic bitches got on it, it was way better quality, yada yada yada. But living in South Florida and having to like come and go as much as you know I do, to me, their separates just look so good and so clean while still feeling like I'm in sweats and leggings. I can't tell you the last time I put on a pair of leggings because my aloe pants are just as comfortable, if not more comfortable, but they look like so pulled together. And they're such cleanings, they're such clean, like basic colors, like it's nothing revolutionary. So you can put a button-down top on, put a tank top, put and you you look comfortable in like you're not trying really hard, but you look put together, you know what I mean? Yeah. Not as dishoveled, which I really appreciate. So for on the low end, like for my real everyday life, I'm always gonna wear aloe. And I I my mom has a magical power that she's bestowed on to me. Where if everybody is wearing a particular brand, and that's like the popular brand, somehow, somehow, we find like the one or two pants or tops that people don't really wear. So a lot of times people don't realize that I'm wearing aloe or like I don't really see it on other people. And everyone's really into like the hardcore athletics of aloe, and I'm not yeah, like I'm really not a fan of the like looking at like I went to work out before this trend. I'm not like I don't like that. So yeah. Aloe for the low and for the high, the G Bon She Fall Winter 2026 collection. Like I look at it and I'm like, I imagine all the places that I would go, all of the gallas and the ballet opera house openings that I would wear. Like, there's some like there's a lot of designer stuff that I know people look at when they see it on the runway, like, who would wear that? To me, there's a lot of them that I would wear, but the way Givenchy looks is just like, oh my god. It just so like 2000s full-on glamour without being dated 2000s. Because like early 2000s, mid 2000s, it was very much like everything was dripping in a little shimmer and bling and gold. It was like the intro of like the sheer, sheer fabrics on like high-end to me, at least as far as I remember. It just was very sexy, and Givenchy, like still is like very sexy without being like overly artsy fartsy, which is very sexy. I feel like that way about Elisab too. Like their gowns just look like it is a gown. Like we are as pretentious as we're gonna be. It is a gown. So, yeah, the Givenchy, this last fall winter collection, I just thought it was gorgeous. What about you? What are your what are your brands or designers?

SPEAKER_05 10:51

So when I was thinking about this one, I had to go with accessories because I am, you know, a little obsessed with accessories. And most of my stuff, especially like the winter, has been like hot. Ooh, not hot, has been haunts. It has been, it has been hats and some jewelry pieces, but I really have not been into purses like I used to be. Like I used to be like, love a clutch, let me go find a cute little print. You know, I love prints and stuff like that. So I was on um Tabitha Brown's Instagram, and she was talking she was talking about how she had ordered these purses from this girl, and um, she ordered them for the red carpet season and stuff like that that she was doing, but she hadn't gotten them yet. And she pulled that thing out of the bag, and it was so pretty and soft and well made. It is a clutch. It's by the brand is called Imperfectly Perfect You by, I want to say her name is Nakoya. I hope we're saying it right. That's how Tabitha said it, so I'm just gonna say how she said it. And they're handmade and they're made by order, and she uses that like thick oversized crochet um yarn. So the the braids are really, they're probably about an inch and a half thick. And it looks so soft and so well made. And even the inside, the liner in the inside, it's pretty and it's gold and black, and it has like cute like quotes in it, and but uh the clutch, the one that I saw, it was this green, and I would describe it like maybe it was like a sea moss kind of green, like a light, and I'm not a green person, but the fabric itself that's used, and I've never seen that crochet fabric so like large like that before. I've I've seen it maybe like the half inch, but the braids in it, you can get your hardware, it can either be silver or gold, and I just thought it was such a statement piece.

SPEAKER_08 12:53

You've seen it now, right? Yeah, it looks like it's like braids.

SPEAKER_05 12:57

Yeah, it looks so well made. And Tabitha did like a close-up on it. I'm a sensory person, so I would I the fact that it looks so soft, gave it to me. The colors are really beautiful, and she offers. I think I know in that clutch that I was looking at, she offers like 16 different colors, which is crazy. Crazy in the fact that she makes them herself. Right. Even the prices that she's asking for them to make them herself is is crazy to me because she could easily charge probably like $300 for a bag.

SPEAKER_08 13:33

What's the what's the material?

SPEAKER_05 13:36

It is it's a crochet yarn. I'm not sure exactly what that particular one is called. But it's it's a crochet yarn and it creates that quilted effect. It's just it's really beautiful. And then so I started going down like this purse rabbit hole, and I found this um young black designer. His Instagram name, I'm not sure. It's like uh I don't know how to pronounce that's not his name, but his brand is called Rudiments, and the the material he used is in ostrich embossed vegan leather. He has his bag called the lunch bag that I got low-key obsessed with because the top does that roll down, like you know how you take a brown paper bag and you roll it down at the top. It does. Oh, yeah, that's what we're talking about. It's so cute.

SPEAKER_10 14:26

Yeah, I've seen that bag.

SPEAKER_05 14:28

So cute. And I'm like, look at all of these black designers and their high quality, high-end, competing with so you know, luxury markets. What's up? It's so cute. And I love his colors too. His color, I think he only has three colors right now. It's pink, which he calls Rossado, green, emerald, and then an orange is Clementine.

SPEAKER_06 14:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:51

And I think I like he has a smaller, he has a trunk too. The trunk is really cute.

SPEAKER_08 14:56

Yeah, the little mini trunk.

SPEAKER_05 14:58

Yes, that mini trunk is super cute.

SPEAKER_08 15:01

Wear this this stuff. I've I've seen this lunch bag before. I've probably seen someone steal his idea, but looking it up, it's R-U-D-I-M-N-T-S. Yes. If you're curious, this bag to me is like, I'm looking at it, I'm like obsessed. It's so chic. I love like the animal skin, like the ostrich and like the alligator and all that. Snake. I don't care when it's real or fake. Personally, like I'll take a real one and not complain. But I have a vegan leather of the crocodile bag. And I mean, it's like it's worth nothing. It's just something that I toss and throw around. But I get compliments on it because it's like a nice big bag that's a really good, like pearlized alligator kind of color. It reminds me of these bags, but this these are definitely a lot more like well-made and put together. This would just, I love the look of this.

SPEAKER_05 15:58

Yeah, that roll down lungs. And then you can wear the trunk as a backpack. You can wear the trunk as a backpack.

SPEAKER_08 16:04

The trunk as let me see. I now have to see it more than the backpack. Oh my god. The I don't understand the one that's sold out. There's a mini one. Okay, the big one is $5.25. Yeah. I want to see it. Oh, yeah. Oh, snap. Damn.

SPEAKER_05 16:21

So cute. You guys look it up. Definitely look it up.

SPEAKER_08 16:24

Oh my god, even the little one as a backpack is cute. Can you see? It's kind of blurry.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

Oh, oh, yeah, I see it now. Oh, that is a little mini bag. That's cute.

SPEAKER_08 16:33

I'm obsessed with this.

SPEAKER_05 16:35

That is so cute.

SPEAKER_08 16:36

Oh my god, that is summer slurge. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's that's definitely a fun summer backpack. If you're I feel like if you're color adverse like me, accessories is a good, easy way to pick up color. I think you are such a great accessorizer. You have such a good eye for accessories, and you do such a good job of mixing patterns and prints, which I can never and don't want to do. Too many rules. Too many rules.

SPEAKER_05 17:03

Too many rules. It does. It does come with too many rules. But I've seen people who don't care about the rules and they pull it off. I'm just not, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 17:11

No, see that I I literally like I got to a point where I don't even follow their content anymore because I'm like, this is this is you. This is never gonna be me. So and I but that's what people have to understand about personal style. Yeah, what separates style from fashion and clothes and all. It's like clothes are what you get and just this is like a utility. Like you have to put on clothes or you can't leave the house. Fashion is something, in my opinion, clothing that's made with intention, even if it's a shitty cheap intention or a glamorous intention, but there's style where you can have the most expensive piece or the cheapest piece. But if you know how to put it together in a way that looks good on you, that's style. And everyone's style doesn't work on everyone. When that person really knows themselves and their body and their taste, you can't just be like, oh, I'm gonna wear that out. It doesn't work like that.

SPEAKER_05 18:08

No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_08 18:09

I need people to stop doing that.

SPEAKER_05 18:11

I feel like that's something I figured out early on. Like I needed to learn because I was plus size. I was like, okay, you have to figure out what works for you, what doesn't, because I don't, and not to like talk about anybody as a teenager. I'm living in Florida, like it's hot. These girls are wearing whatever they want to wear. And to me, um, in my personal opinion, a lot of it looked cheap, sloppy and cheap.

unknown 18:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:38

No, for like you just you just look like you just put it on because it was in your size, other people are wearing it. Why can't I wear it?

SPEAKER_10 18:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:46

Which you're totally in you, that's your choice, wear it. But yeah, does it look a look? Yeah, and that the thing about it, that's how they wanted to look. That's not how I wanted to look.

SPEAKER_07 18:56

So I was like, and that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 18:57

I had to figure out a little what works for me and what doesn't. And I when I worked at Torrid, that helped me because I had to help other women find what worked for their bodies. And then even working at Express, not being able to fit all of their clothes. So I had to take my Torrit clothes and make it work for Express. And I still had to look like I worked at like they could have bought it from Express. I felt so bad sometimes when people were like, oh my God, that's okay. Where is that?

SPEAKER_10 19:25

And I was like, not down the street on the other side of the Blooming Dale.

SPEAKER_05 19:31

Catch me on the side, I'll give you, I'll give you the ends. Catch me on the side. But there was an um a collection by Eloquie, or a popular press size plus size brand, and they did a collaboration with the uh brand Patbow by what's her name? Patricia Bonadi, I believe. I think that's her name. And she's a Brazilian designer. It was given, like you said earlier, it was given whimsicle. It was given whimsical. And I didn't like all the pieces, but when I was looking at them, I was like, oh, you know what? I mean, I was like, I might want to try something different because I'm y'all, I'm very much like streetwear kind of girl. Like even in like the dresses that I choose or whatever, it is very urban. My style is very urban. You'll very rarely see me in something like a soft color. My soft color is white.

SPEAKER_08 20:25

Yeah, but the hardest, strongest neon pink with it. It's the best. But no, honestly, like listen, all my group chat girlies, if you are a fuller figured or full-size girl, like first of all, you need to post like some of your outfit and some of your outfit inspos. I know I need to do that. And then you need to post like some of like your tips because honestly, like you always look like it's so effortless. And you may see it as like a hard street style, but like there's still like a delicate, girly, soft, cute balance. Like it's so eye-catching the way that you pull looks together. I feel like regardless of size, anybody can see what you're doing and like trans like that into a cute outfit for them. Because your style to me is like a style that's very unique to your own, but because you understand like the layers and the like the foundations of fashion, you're able to, and plus you works in retail, you're able to like help people curate that and something that works for them. You gotta like start giving some of the tips and the tricks to the girlies because I look amazing for them. I mean you really do. I love dress.

SPEAKER_05 21:30

No, I but I've told you that forever. I love it. Yeah, yeah. So you guys, I will probably always make little comments like this because it amazed me how much people thought that we should not like each other, but we became like so obsessed with each other. But when Ashley's talking about Aloe, I was watching her when we were in Atlanta. I was watching her get ready, and I was like, these are so cute because you wore two of your Aloe Panther outfits. And the first one was with the little oversized cardigan.

SPEAKER_08 22:03

Which I love together. Which I love.

SPEAKER_05 22:06

So cute.

SPEAKER_08 22:07

Oh God. I'm gonna wear those pants to the motherfucking threads pop out that bitch. I love that.

SPEAKER_05 22:12

And they look so good on you. They fit you so well. They look so comfortable, but they, like you said, it's like this effortless, simple style, but it just looks so clean and chic at the same time. And then you put on those brown ones before you went to the airport. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 22:29

Those are my airport pants. You see me at the airport this weekend, I'll be in those pants. Because they're like leggings, but cuter and more comfortable. And can I let's let's talk, okay? I just want to say this. And I want everyone to hear me and hear the pretentious judgment of my voice, but know it's for your greater good. There is a way to wear aloe that I mean, I'm not gonna act like I look so chic, but there's a way to wear aloe that looks put together and cute. I think right now aloe is going through like a Stanley Cup moment where just having ALO somewhere on your outfit feels like um a prestigious like badge of honor. And oh, I get it. That that just happens with certain brands, but like aloe sells more than that cotton pullover. And if you catch it right, there was just a huge 30% sale on the website. There's always clearance. Like, I just implore the girlies who want to be in the aloe vibe. The workout stuff is cute too, but just pick up like a good if you're looking for like a good work slack that's like good for happy hour to daytime, those cargoes they come in black. I think they have a brown, a cracky, white, they're heavy cargoed and they have a zip flat panel front. Just buy them. I don't care if we all have the same outfit on. They look good. They look good. Don't just wear the freaking leggings or the biker shorts. Like, please step outside of that realm for five minutes. It looks so well put together. And I'm happy to see the cargo pants look. It's not like the typical cargo pants, it's like the baggy, over-exaggerated, like kind of like how the the pants pockets are on those aloe pants that I got. That's like a trend for summer. And that's very important to me because pockets. Women's clothing don't have enough pockets. And the fact that we've got a cute, oversized, baggy, but like tapered at the waist cargo pants for summer is going to be a a game changer. Because you would think that they feel very hot and sweaty, but cargo pants have a powerful like ability to not be. And that color with like a just like a cute, like basic, like white wife beater, some chunky gold jewelry, and like some cute kind of shoe, like a golden goose, a sandal, it would it will eat down. Like that is probably gonna be like my summer uniform.

SPEAKER_05 24:54

That's so cute. Yes, for a summer uniform.

SPEAKER_08 24:57

Eat down, eat down. Now that King's made it okay for us to wear wife beaters again. Girl, they were like, She discovered a new hip style. I'm like, you mean the food of the loom little boys' white beaters that we would get from Walmart before a party? Okay. We would wear, we were literally go get a fresh been wearing. Come on, please. But okay. Thank God for you.

SPEAKER_05 25:17

You know, they're never you know they're never gonna really give us credit. So my word. Okay. So moving on, I wanna know, is there a recent like runway red carpet or street style that just dropped that you are obsessed with? Other than, well, no, Givanji is your your glamour, your luxury, your dresses. And Tom Brown.

SPEAKER_08 25:42

I love Tom Brown right now, too.

SPEAKER_05 25:44

Yeah, no, he has he does have some good stuff.

SPEAKER_08 25:47

To me, God forgive me. He's nobody don't let this card. What are you about to say? To me, is what I think Ralph Warren thinks it is sometimes. I said it. Not that Ralph Warren is not legendary and iconic and all those things, but when I look at that super preppy but like high-end fashion version of the look, Tom Brown eats and what he does with Doce, it always looks cool as like it looks so and I love that he loves like the real like chocolate, regular Degolablack girl. Like, and he their mix, I would have never guessed, but their their collaborations just uh they eat every time.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

Yeah, yeah, she she's an amazing muse. If you're gonna so cool, she's like she, yeah, she's pretty dope.

SPEAKER_08 26:36

I didn't love her Met look, but she's such a cool girl.

SPEAKER_05 26:39

You know, we don't have to get into the Met, but I was I was I was a little if let me tell you something.

SPEAKER_08 26:46

I was a little bit if it's if the data's not going, it's not gonna be a good Met. That's all you need to know. But who's who give me before we get go to off with the Met. Give me one that you loved and one that you were like, what the fuck is this?

SPEAKER_05 26:58

Okay, so uh one that I loved. Hmm. You know, I liked uh I like Tess Tessa Thompson's. She had that all b- That's with Tessa Thompson.

SPEAKER_08 27:10

I swear to God. She if she ever goes missing, we're checking your basement first.

SPEAKER_05 27:15

No, no, if she goes missing, I will be head of a search party because I want her back. Not because I took her. Shut up. No. Oh my gosh, don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Don't make, don't make me a creep before I get to meet her.

SPEAKER_05 27:34

But the the blue on her skin, it looks so good. And I love the the design, the shape that was um that fit against her chest. And it was just very simple, it was very pretty, but it was still so artsy. And then she kept her makeup very clean, her hair, she did the wet effect. It was it was so good. It was so clean, it was a good thing. Um look, I love me. I love me some Cardi B. We love some Cardi B.

SPEAKER_10 28:06

We do her her her boots, her boobs that were all over her dress.

SPEAKER_08 28:12

It was it looked like Muppet titties.

SPEAKER_05 28:17

So I was like, okay, what was like why? Like, why Marc Jacobs? Why? So it was inspired by Hans Beller, a photographer who did a um a collection, a photography collection on like dismantled dolls, distorted dolls. So that was his interpretation. And I and the thing was I got it. When I looked at it, I got it. And then when I did, you know, for the research, I got it.

SPEAKER_08 28:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:45

But do I like it? Absolutely not. And it looked, I was like, what is that? What has she got? What are them keyloids by her ears?

SPEAKER_08 28:54

It looked like, you know, remember that show crank anchors with the puppets that would argue on the phone? It looked like their titties look. That's what it looked like. And I love Cardi B. I didn't like it.

SPEAKER_05 29:07

No, because we and we expect her to bring the drama. We most definitely do.

SPEAKER_08 29:11

She definitely, definitely, I would put her up there. People like to get mad, but it's true. I thought the fashion girlies. They really, they really capable. She did.

SPEAKER_05 29:19

She really, yeah, she really does step out and pushes the limits. And she said, yeah, she does. And I think she's a big part of getting hip-hop artists and and and not them being so like into just urban wear and street wear, but like, no girlies, let's, they love us. Like, let's cross over.

SPEAKER_08 29:38

I would say, yeah, because I mean, I think not necessarily just into urban wear, but I think you have the hip hop or urban artists that are just like, look at all the designer I'm wearing, versus like high fashion couture. And I know the couturies and they know me, and we're having a equal conversation versus them just throwing label stuff on me. I think you cared about being avant-garde editorials and things like that. Yeah. I want to sit front runway, whatever, not just because it's expensive, but because I really am into the art of it. But I think that's part of her being a New York girl, too. I feel like they're more likely to lend to that type of vibe because they're surrounded by it. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:20

And Mark, you know, Marc Jacobs, I access, I'm into his accessories. I'm not so into all of his collections.

SPEAKER_08 30:31

I used to be in there just like, what can I buy? I would, I don't, he would do these like like 10, remember like those $10, $20 t-shirts? Oh my God. I'd be like, give it to me.

SPEAKER_05 30:41

When they brought the store, I went in there and I went in there with my broke ass and I said, I'm gonna buy something out of here. And I got me the cutest little keychain that I could find.

SPEAKER_08 30:50

Whatever, whatever the cheaper things in here that I could get, let me get it. Let me wear it everywhere. That was probably the smartest thing he could have ever done was open up a store in that neighborhood.

SPEAKER_05 31:02

I wonder why it didn't stay, but it was amazing. I thought it was so cool. It just fit it was so on brand for Savannah.

SPEAKER_08 31:08

Yeah, just GAD students, the window displays, everything. But you know, I think it's hard to like have like a stand-up store store. And you know what? But back to the Matt Gala. I of all the themes, I just knew like this one is like such an easy, obvious theme. I think it was almost too like easy obvious. That's why everybody's too broad. It's too broad. It's too broad. And here's the thing yes, we get you dressing as a painting is it's isn't that like an easy, lazy get? Isn't that not lazy? I I I mean to me, I when I thought about fashion as art, I thought about it being, and this is why you cannot have people like Jeff Bezos pay for the party. I thought the point was we talk about how you know AI is taking the jobs, quote unquote, from all these artisans all over the world, but fashion as art is like all of the people who are left who are like the artisans in the couturiers are like putting 300 hours into hand sewing, hand painting, hand dyeing. Like, I didn't think that we need to like have an art history class or art history lesson. Like, I don't think that was necessary. I think it should have been like you can look at it and then see the story and see the artistry. And then when you asked, you were like, oh wow, they found these rare beads from the river basin of the Ando Islands. I don't fucking know. But you know what I mean? Like, that's how I thought it was gonna be a good one. Yeah, no, and it just felt very lazy. Like, I took art history. I thank you. I get it. Like, yeah, they all were closed in the pictures. Thank you so much. Okay, flowers. How exciting. Ugh.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

I I I don't know. I was I was underwhelmed. Some of them I was confused. I didn't, I think, like we just said, it was too broad. It works better when you give someone a specific a specific theme to where the designers, yeah, the stylists really get to show up and show out here and yes.

SPEAKER_08 33:06

With the mid, the black, the super fine tailoring?

SPEAKER_05 33:08

Super, yes.

SPEAKER_08 33:10

It was incredible.

SPEAKER_05 33:11

So good. Like, how many ways can you like show a tailor outfit? Like, they just they pulled out all the stops. They were like, oh no, you can tailor this way, you can tell her that. You can make asymmetric and put the puffs in the like, but yeah, this this year I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_08 33:27

Well, I gotta be honest, you're gonna be mad at me. I I hated Tessa Thompson's dress. God forgive me, and I'm not body shaming, but I'm like, you need a little bit of titty for that dress, not a lot, like a teeny little, like a full A. It just, it just to me, that there's certain dresses that are flattering on a flat, flat chest that weren't one of them. To me. To me.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

It's okay. It's okay.

SPEAKER_08 33:57

On people like her, they're obviously very small, they're obviously very thin. But there's her size thin, and then there's like sample-sized couture dress thin. It's a very like small thing to notice, and you have to be that person who's probably used to it and stare, like looks at pictures that deeply. You can tell when it's still too small. And I feel like it could have been like a half a size up, and it probably were flattering.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

I get how even the chest part, if it would have came in a little more, like if it I get it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 34:29

Like you can fit it, but like the the fit to your body, I don't think that fit. And that's why I say it is it's not about being plus size or skinny. You can be skinny and something not fit you to accentuate your body the way that that looks best in my opinion. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 34:45

I think what happens with some of those dresses, what happens with some of those dresses, if you are smaller chested, it what it does is because they have to tape you down, it pulls them apart. So then you lose you're already volume.

SPEAKER_08 34:58

You're seeing all the bones, and it's just not, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 35:00

Yeah, you lose some volume.

SPEAKER_08 35:02

But also, you know me, I like I like a body with some some girth on it. I like titties. I like the titties. So you like actually no, because I feel like she wore that before. She always dressed, like that's her, that's not. I feel like she'd wear that on a Tuesday. It's Sizza. Do I love Sizzas? Yes, I love titties. But no, the dress was just okay for me. You know whose dress was my favorite? Everyone's gonna throw things at me.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

Wait, wait, what, who? What?

SPEAKER_08 35:32

Tomato, tomato meat. Oh, you're I'm not gonna say Jeff Bezos' wife. No.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

No.

SPEAKER_08 35:40

And I just want to say a side note.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

We'll end this episode right now.

SPEAKER_08 35:43

No, let me just say this one thing before I say who my low-key favorite was.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Oh, his wife.

SPEAKER_08 35:48

Let me say about Lauren Sanchez. I am in the rare group of people that don't hate that lady because I want her to write a book of what the hell she did with that cat that let her just social climb from rich man to rich man to richer man. Like, I just want to know. Like, what are we doing in there, Lauren? Like, tell us your story, especially with all like the crazy face thing she's had done. Like, she was able to pull that man. That's pretty, like, I just want to know. Just tell me. I'm curious, right? So, but someone who is not like a full-on hater, so I'm telling you this objectively she makes clothes look very cheap. It's true. She does. She has a way of like just like making something look so like it can be the most expensive thing, and it's just like when she has it on, you don't be like, oh damn, like this girl. Like, I know that cost. Like, oh it's just like to say it's ugly or bad, it's a lie, but it should be a lot more incredible because of who it's on. Like, you know how much money this person has. And they can afford to buy any piece of clothing in the world. And people are stylist falling down in front. Oh, baby, no, because La Roach styles over the gala.

SPEAKER_05 36:59

Oh, he did?

SPEAKER_08 37:00

Yes. Wait, wait. Somebody said he has to. La Roach has to be like secretly like rebelling, like in secret towards her because they were like, how could he make her look like that? But that's what I'm saying. He's kissed at her and put her on the carpet like. If you don't have it, you don't have it.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

Yeah. And there's certain things, and there's certain things that people can't put on and it just does it. It falls flat.

SPEAKER_08 37:26

And the quicker you know what you have and don't have, the quicker you can go at addressing what you gotta make in it work. But just because you have a lot of money does not mean that you're automatically gonna be a great dresser. No, no. But whose dress I liked? I really love Kylie Jenner's dress. I loved it.

SPEAKER_05 37:46

Uh you know what I like that her and her sister were in the same designer, her and Kendall. I liked the variation. And you know what I know is I was like, there's a lot of boobies. People are showing a lot of boobies.

SPEAKER_08 37:58

Kindle Kendall's dress was boring. The wet, I feel like we she already did something like this with the wet shirt coming off, not coming off thing.

SPEAKER_05 38:06

And I didn't I didn't like like uh despise it. I didn't like a puff pocket frumpet thing in the front.

SPEAKER_08 38:15

That's what you didn't claw. It was supposed to be like the dress take being taken off.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Oh, taken off the oh, so it's folded down.

SPEAKER_08 38:22

Correct.

SPEAKER_05 38:23

Oh, look at her little nasty.

SPEAKER_08 38:28

It's like it's the fashion is art, and it's like the art of like getting dressed, like the the process of like all the undergarments that hold your body together, how it slides over your hip, and then it folds in perfectly to your weight. Like that part of getting dressed and like the uncomfortable undertoning of it all, to me is art. Okay. And I feel like as much as I've grown to get why people can't deal with them. One thing I can say about them, the way that they get dressed and the the energy they put into putting a look together, whether you like it or not, is like an art level. Like they do it a mastery level that people can't comprehend. Like they appreciate the process of getting ready. Say what you want.

SPEAKER_05 39:12

Yeah, they do. They do.

SPEAKER_08 39:14

And her dress definitely gave the art of like a I really like that concept. Yeah. That okay. I clock it.

SPEAKER_05 39:22

That's that's cool. That's what I okay. I that's fake.

SPEAKER_08 39:26

Yeah, like you know what I mean. Like, you know how the you look so good, but people don't know how you got two spanks on underneath this thing, and a hurdle and a brother. Like, there's a sick art to that too. There's a sick art to the dedication of that, to the warmth and desire of like wanting the dress to sit in a way that you can appreciate the art of taking it off. You know what I mean? Even the way it when it's a beautifully made dress, the way it kind of falls and hangs when you're sliding it over your butt. Like all of it to me is art. I loved it. Who I hated.

SPEAKER_05 39:57

Who did like who did you like just completely fucking clume?

SPEAKER_08 40:02

Listen, girl. I I'm I love Halloween just as much as the next psycho, okay? And I love how hard she goes in her costumes. She looked like a nut.

SPEAKER_05 40:11

I didn't like Madonna's either, but what's that?

SPEAKER_08 40:13

Madonna, you know what? I think Madonna's look crazy because Madonna is so scary looking, but I like Madonna. It was a little terrifying. It was terrifying. That's her little choices that got me to wear.

SPEAKER_05 40:23

That's probably why I didn't like it because it was terrifying. And then the girls holding it, I was like, are they hostage?

SPEAKER_08 40:30

Her take on a painting, it was such an intense painting that, like, to bring all the people there to make it come like I'm like, okay, if you're gonna do a painting and it's that like action painting, I'll take it. But Hardy Klum, like, this is a costume because you know what I thought? If she wanted to do that, my body's a marble sculpture, why not do the slick back wet hair look? Let the gray start to form at like the base of the chin. Okay, like let the makeup like kind of melt into a gray. Melt into a gray magic dripping down the neck, off the fingers. Like, there's a way to have made that look hard to see without looking so much like a creepy costume. I thought it was so dumb.

SPEAKER_05 41:08

Yeah, it fell a little, it fell a little flat.

SPEAKER_08 41:12

It felt silly.

SPEAKER_05 41:13

It felt like, you know what? It was so funny. I was watching this, like a piece of a documentary, and they were talking about how subjust subjective art is, and how they did this experiment in the middle of a museum where someone took off their dirty sneaker and just left it in the middle of the floor. And we were like, oh and everybody was like gathering around it and taking pictures and talking about it, and it's like, come on now.

SPEAKER_08 41:37

That see, that's when I say that art is not subjective, it is pretentious. Because why pretend? You know, that just shows you that a lot of times people will say things or love things or regurgitate facts about art. And it's just like, like I used to say at Scat all the time, some of these paintings in the museums, if I turned that in for an assignment, I would have got a C.

unknown 42:01

No.

SPEAKER_08 42:02

If I turn in that exact painting, I would have got a C.

SPEAKER_05 42:05

Because they would have told you not only it did it fall short of the assignment, that there was no depth, that the there's no originality, the lines are like what? You use too many, um, too many styles. What are you trying to say with the your concept? Your concept is not clear.

SPEAKER_08 42:26

Girl, I don't know. Listen, I don't know what a lot of these artists here's what I'll say: just like fashion. Like what you like and be unapologetic about it. Don't try to justify or come up with a bunch of useless facts. Why? If that's what it means to you, that's that's your opinion. That's your like my my on Kylie Jenner's dress. It could be complete bullshit. She could be like, girl, we were not doing that. I thought it was sexy, but that's just what I saw. So but I sometimes I think the gatekeeping of fashion and art overall is just it. I'm like, I wish people knew what a bunch of bullshit it was built on. Ever no one knows what they're talking about. Everybody's kind of making it up.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

Making it up. Um there's one thing that I wanted to discuss with you because I wanted to get your reaction because I know it probably doesn't bother most people as much as it bothers me. But and it and and they did it like a couple years back, and then Tommy Hill figure did it to a certain extent with like his campaign with Alien. But the whole sagging on the runway, that trend of putting? Yes, so you David Baptiste, he's a black designer. His stuff is like his jeans, it's so cool looking. Look it up. Look it up. But I'm very irritated. To me, it was never fashionable. However, At some point, because of the style of jeans changed, it you didn't see it as much because like jeans now are yeah, they too tight to sag, right? So now you gotta wear, even though I have seen the most ridiculous shit with sagging tight jeans, it looks crazy.

SPEAKER_08 44:19

It's incredible. They gotta like walk with their legs like wide.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

And when I tell you these, and I want you to know this is how you're gonna recognize who used to sag their pants in the next 20, 30 years. It's because they're gonna be in a wheelchair and they're gonna have a cane because they hips is so fucked.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

I can't. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_08 44:39

I've I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

We're still sagging. I mean, stupid.

SPEAKER_05 44:43

So now it's on the runway and you know, black designers are doing it and making, you know, we we make things our own. First of all, where sagging came from, I would never be like, oh, yeah, let's do this because it just represents bondage. Right, right. It doesn't represent anything that's like that, but you know, we we done took the N-word, made it ours or whatever. So whatever. That's what we do. I just I I don't, it's not with David Baptiste, his collection, it was artfully done. And his jeans, his denim, I love his denim. Like the construction of his denim and the the styles are so cool. But I'm just I'm ready for that to just not be a thing anymore. But since they put it on the runway, that's just not gonna happen. It just seems like it's always gonna be a thing, and I'm sick of it. Um it's annoying. It's funny annoying.

SPEAKER_08 45:37

That's unfortunate. I mean, luckily, when it comes to men's fashion, I don't think the trickle down happens as fast as it does in women's fashion. I think it'll still be one of those things where like if that's your style, then you'll do it. And if it's not, you're not where girls we'll all do it for six months. If that's not enough. We're gonna try it.

SPEAKER_05 46:01

We're gonna try it.

SPEAKER_08 46:02

Yeah, I feel like there I I'd I'd be more likely to see those little tacky two-piece fashion novice those guys wear over the sagging pants. Like they're still they're still trying to sort those out in men's fashion, at least on the the street level. But you know, I will say from a style piece, I've seen guys open up more to what they put together than I think I'll ever remember seeing before. So I think that there's so many different like separate communities of like these kind of guys dress like this. Like right now, all the guys in New York are dressing like 90s black actors, thinking that they're uh JFK Jr. Like I noticed a lot of the guys in like LA and Miami, they wear what I call boxy crop tops. It's like a man crop top. Yeah, a man crop top. Like Roblox characters in a crop top. Like that's their thing.

SPEAKER_05 46:56

Um flare jeans are coming flare, they're so into flare jeans right now.

SPEAKER_08 47:00

Because of Kendrick Lamar. Look how and look how long ago that Super Bowl was, Snooze. Um, and then you have, you know, the guys who still will wear, you know, their jerseys. I know my son, his generation, their only shirt that they will wear is a soccer jersey. They will not wear a t-shirt, they will not wear a normal shirt. But that's literally every kid from the age of like what 10 to like 15. Uh here in my South Florida. So boys, I don't know, every I think they have their own pockets of community.

SPEAKER_05 47:30

You want to know your oldest godson's style? What black.

SPEAKER_08 47:35

Oh, that's so revolutionary and fun. Yikes.

SPEAKER_04 47:40

Bla black. I'm trying, actually. I'm over here, I'm trying.

SPEAKER_08 47:47

You can let it go because the anybody born after like 2000 just decided that having style was not important to them.

SPEAKER_05 47:54

So you know what I do? I buy things that I like in black.

SPEAKER_08 47:58

That's that's your only I mean, as someone who wears black pretty much exclusively, I get it. I get it. If it works, it works.

SPEAKER_05 48:08

Look, if he was if I think he's a new generational emo.

SPEAKER_08 48:12

They're cool, they're still cool.

SPEAKER_05 48:14

They're not they're they're emotional, but they're not as emotional. Like they're they still like to have a good time. I feel like the emo kids.

SPEAKER_08 48:22

They act like children.

SPEAKER_05 48:23

Yeah, I think the emo kids during our time, like just they were going through it, man. Yeah, it was for real. Like, they didn't do nothing. They just they really was just centering being on the kids.

SPEAKER_08 48:33

They were like their first versions of being the weird kids.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Yeah. God bless. They've done so much. God bless them.

SPEAKER_10 48:40

They're all the well-adjusted ones now.

SPEAKER_05 48:44

Oh my goodness. So, what I want to know from you is what are you going into the summer wearing? What are you into the spring, into the summer? Like, what are some things that we already know? Your aloe's coming with you. What else is coming with you into the spring, into the summer? And then what are you leaving in the cold?

SPEAKER_08 49:05

Um, okay, what I am bringing into the summer, this is gonna sound so cheesy and so cliche. But for me, what I really want to focus on for this summer is just getting into like not the best. I want to be in the best shape possible, but definitely better shape because it is hot as fuck. And like, I don't know if I'm gonna survive in lots of clothes and layers, and I don't want to sit here being like, oh, this is rolling out. So, and again, body positivity to all, like you said, I just don't want to be that one. Like, I don't want to dress like that. So I think for me first, it's just about getting in the best shape possible. So whatever I do wear, um, I feel good in, and I know that I look like presentable, but I do want to make a more concerted effort to like, I think I do a pretty good job of like not just leaving the house completely disheveled, but I just want to kind of like elevate it a little bit more to where every time I feel like I have a signature style, like a signature, signature vibe, like things just kind of change and my mood changes around it. Like my my idea of like the cargoes with like the tank top kind of look is really what I'm into for the summer. But I still feel like there's a way to do that and like bring it high and bring it low. So I think I just want to keep it very clean, very simple and basic. But for me, it's more so like the body part that I want to focus on. And then what I'm leaving in is just negative like habits around it. Like I don't want to like go two weeks of like hardcore binging and working out, and then three weeks of like drinking every day. Like, I want to be able to enjoy the process of getting hell, like I still want to be able to, you know, eat good things, but also like like you know, like bring in like vegetables and stuff too. Like I'm a vegetable eater, but like a a uh roasted Brussels sprout hates to see me coming. But like overall, I think a good clean eating would definitely help. Um I definitely want to I want to leave this ordered eating around being healthy. I want to get like naturally fresh, healthy, and like I want to be able to enjoy being outside and be active. So it's not anything around fashion necessarily, but I definitely want to do another purge, I think, of old things that I'm I'm probably not gonna really wear. And then anything that I buy, I want it, like I have I have so much stuff that I probably need to really have a come to Jesus if I'm gonna like keep or not. Like I I have a lot of Lou Butons, right? The reality is part of the reason why I don't wear Lou Batons anymore is because my ass is too big to carry myself around in the peels. So I feel like if I get back into like my size that I was when I wore those Louutons all the time, then I can decide if I want to keep them or like finally let them go. And I'm not one to sell shoes or sell bags or sell old clothes, but the amount of Lou Butons that I have that are just sitting there is just almost as wasteful. So, but I want to find out first like, are these retired?

SPEAKER_05 52:06

Can I can I do it again? Can I do it again?

SPEAKER_08 52:08

Yeah, like and I can you know sometimes you look at some of your stuff and you're just like, oh God, like how dated. Like I want to spend the block one more summer with them and decide like, is this part of my aesthetic? Or is that meaning it's time to move on from this look? Because then they would look good with like a cargo pan and a white tank. They're all like bold color blocked. You know, they're like they're heels that are very like they're some really cute neutral ones. Yeah, they don't need a big crazy outfit, like they're the statement piece of the outfit. But again, I need to find out if that is gonna be a part of my look still, because it was for a long time until I had a baby.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 52:45

We need to find out if if we need to let it go or not. And I think first I need to be able to like my knees need the strength, God. See how that all ties together, folks? It does.

SPEAKER_05 52:55

It did you did. You brought you brought it all together and you did. You did.

SPEAKER_08 52:59

Like, where are we going? Close. You did.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

I was I was listening close. You did.

SPEAKER_08 53:04

What about you? What are you taking in and what are you leaving behind this summer?

SPEAKER_05 53:08

Okay. So uh if it wasn't clear, which it probably wasn't, when I started talking about the crocheted purse, I'm into these cute little crochet two pieces that they have going on with like the cute little crop, um the crop crochet shirt, and then they have like shorts. Well, I'm not wearing shorts because my knees knock, so that's not happening. Um, but like the the skirt, like the long, the fitted skirts with the crop down. I think that would be really cute. So I think I want to try a couple of cute little crochet sets. Also, like I said, I'm gonna try to be more whimsical. So not house on the prairie. Little ruffles comes off the shoulder, some something a little whimsical. I don't know. I saw, okay, so you know what because some of these little tops came back. So not necessarily the decor, yeah, not a peplum. Oh my goodness. I pep I don't want to go back. I was peplum out. I have to. I'm not going back to the phone.

SPEAKER_08 54:06

I really completely overdid it with the peplum.

SPEAKER_05 54:08

I can't go back. I think I think when I went through my stuff downstairs, I put in my giveaway bag my last peplum. And I know you probably remember it because I think I felt like I wore this shirt so many times, and I'm crazy that I still had it. It was black and it buttoned up and it did the accordion around the waist just a little bit, and then it came out at the bottom. And a couple of times I was able to wear it as a dress. Period. Period. But it's gotta go out. I can't peplum no more. And let me tell you something.

SPEAKER_08 54:37

Working at Express, they peplum out peplum at Express. They love a peplum and a in a thick chunky belt. Oh god, Express.

SPEAKER_05 54:51

Oh my goodness. I'm gonna bring in crochet sets. I'll share pictures when I figure out what my whimsicle is.

SPEAKER_08 54:59

I'm excited to see.

SPEAKER_05 55:00

So like pastels, some lighter colors, like you know, still keep it colorful, but in a softer range. And then, hmm. What am I gonna leave behind? Hmm. I think I'm going to try to.

SPEAKER_08 55:21

Uh-uh. You're not selling this well at all.

SPEAKER_05 55:24

Not completely. Less leggings. I feel like I need to find me a new pant. I need to get comfortable in a new pant. Because I really am, y'all. I mean, leggings out. Like, I'm legging that out. It's just so easy. And I love a sweatshirt too. Yeah. So like an oversized sweatshirt and a legging.

SPEAKER_07 55:44

I had to force myself. I just, I just, I just stopped buying them and I started tossing them out.

SPEAKER_05 55:49

I am. I'm gonna have to have some self-control. So I'm gonna try. So not completely, but I'm gonna do my best to like another pants. You know, bring in another pant. Bring in a little pants. I wanna do the effortless. I wanted to, you know, I want to find a pant that makes it look effortless. Like giving Ashley's Aldo, but in my style. Did I just say Aldo? Giving Ashley's Aldo.

SPEAKER_10 56:13

Aldo still exists.

SPEAKER_05 56:15

It does. I seen somebody do uh Aldo um haul. And I was like, oh snap.

SPEAKER_08 56:20

I used to love me an aldo shoe, baby. That was my soft transition. Like when I was like a heel person, it was Aldo Clemson and Steve Madden until I could afford the rotating.

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 56:31

Rothing being Lou Baton. That's when I knew I was like, mom, I wear heels 24 hours straight. I'm ready for this. I'm ready. Ready for this.

SPEAKER_05 56:41

That's where I got a lot of my clutches, my sunglasses. I probably have one down there in the basement.

SPEAKER_08 56:48

Look for it.

SPEAKER_05 56:49

It probably needs to go, but I won't get it. Maybe I'll no.

SPEAKER_08 56:52

Let me tell you, don't with clutches and accessories, don't because they always come back around. And the way the old stuff was made was made to last. I still have a few jewelry and old things. And every time I got rid of something, I look back and I'm like, damn, I shouldn't have got rid of that purse or that jewelry. Shirts and pants like always come and go, but accessories, I'm like, Yeah. Unless it's like absolutely freaking hideous. Don't get rid of it.

SPEAKER_05 57:16

There, I have some broken, some necklaces that got broken, and I'm like, I need to do something.

SPEAKER_08 57:21

I can do something with it. See, that's what's the hoarder, but I'm like, I can do something with this.

SPEAKER_05 57:27

And you know, I'm anti-hoarder, so I look at them and I'm like, do you really? But I don't want to. I think that's the one thing that I probably do hoard is like old jewelry. I don't want to actually get rid of it. Y'all, because I'm very anti-hoarder because I come from a family of hoarders. I love you guys. But oh, so alright. So we know what we're going into the summer with. We know what we're leaving with. Now it's time for a little game.

SPEAKER_08 57:52

Oh, wait, wait, wait. Before we do the game, I had to do what I wanted to add.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

Oh, what do you say? What are you about to do?

SPEAKER_08 57:58

Is there any news or stuff going on, like recent stuff in fashion that you like has caught your ear that like you're been interested in or been wanting to vent about? Like any just new news in fashion or updates or anything going on?

SPEAKER_05 58:14

News and fashion updates. Okay, so not to put a damper in the mood.

SPEAKER_08 58:20

Well it wouldn't be us if we didn't, no I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_05 58:23

But to be fair, with concerns of you know the state of our earth. Have you have you seen the pictures of the amount of clothes that are dumped in these countries? Chile, yes, Africa, but also Chile too. Have you seen? I mean, it's tons. It's so much that it's washing into the ocean.

SPEAKER_08 58:45

No, no, no. It's not like it's washing by accident. That's their plan. There's like literally in Africa that's like a it looks like a coral reef. It's like this big mass, but it's really just old clothes. They send them all our like old shit. Not to be a piece of shit. I promise I was watching one documentary and I was like, I feel like that's my shirt. Oh. But like they send in these things, even what, even when they parse out what they can wear for themselves, like to recycle it, it's still too much. And like clothes we waste. Like it does feel like, oh my god, how like this is so.

SPEAKER_05 59:17

Freaking um the Super Bowl. Oh my god, the losers. They send all the shirts there.

SPEAKER_08 59:23

Like, my God. And then I think there was something that I I gotta find the name of the documentary, but they were saying, like, if the country says, like, we don't want anymore, we can't take it. They like pull all this other support and aid from them. It is, it is a problem. And as much as I want to be flippant sometimes and be like, listen, I'm not the most earth-saving bitch on the planet. I'm not a fast fashion person just because I think the shit looks ugly. Like, there's your it's I'm not a huge fast fashion shopping kind of person. But let's be real, just because aloe costs more doesn't mean it's not something similar. I mean, they go through the same styles and the same colorways. Like, how many fucking variations of pink can you make in a pullover? It becomes kind of the same thing in a way, but no, it's it's it's horrible. It's horrible. And it's only gonna get worse because people can't afford to there's not they're not opening new blooming up, neither marketing tax is going out of business. So it's not like people are can afford or running to high-end designers or going to your typical apartment store. Everybody's getting their stuff from Shein and Timu, and you can wear it one time, it rips, and then it goes in the trash. And people are trying to find things to do with this stuff, but it's like after a while, it's like how many it's yeah, you're make you're taking a bunch of recycled shit to make new shit that nobody to make new stuff that's gonna wind up. Yeah, also there's no way to like truly like get it off the plane without like leaving a footprint.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:53

It's it's pretty dark, but it's like Yeah, because even if even if you burn it, the plastics and the cola and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:59

Yeah, this is not good.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:01

There's there's this graduate in London, she did her thesis on biodegradable clothes. I said, But the stuff was actually, you know, because you know when they start to get into those pockets sometimes, like it gets different. It's gonna work. But her stuff for I think she, I think it was the fall or winter, it was actually really cute. And it was um like bright, bright colors yellow. I wanna say that her it's her name is ASEAN. ASEAN A-C-I-E with the asterisk N.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:37

And um I th it was really it was like really cool and timeless messages. I I want my message to be timeless, but not my clothes. Okay. So I and so I was like, that's really I was like, that's super cute. And I was like, for a grad student and um, you know, going to a fashion school, you understand how daunting that part of your your senior thesis, how incredibly uh overwhelming it is, and how being original and um on top of that, doing something that is positively contributing to the earth, I thought it was so it was really cool. I hope that no one discourages her to continue to do that after she leaves school. Like that, let that be on on brand because her stuff was cute and she's just I feel like she's just gonna get better. And if you can she can turn that into because a lot of her stuff still does look um, it's streetwear, but it still is very seems like very couture. So not for you know, not for everyone, but if she could yeah, she if she could turn that into ready wear, oh baby, that would be that ain't that shit's not gonna be affordable at all.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:48

Will not be affordable at all. Yes, it's beautiful though. She was an L VMH green trail winner. There, she has no plan.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:54

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:55

Listen, if you want to think no plan to make it affordable, she wouldn't have cost, and that's where they live, but that is why people turn to fast fashion because you can't. That's why there's tons of trash.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:07

Of clothes, it's crazy. But yeah, that's that's what caught my eye. It was so much. But what about you?

SPEAKER_08 1:03:14

Um actually two things. So because I live in lovely Miami, Florida, and whenever there's like a pop-up or a drop, of course, we're one of like the signature cities that gets something. So you know AP is doing a collection with Swatch.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:30

So AP is an Artemis is doing a collection with Swatch. It's a $400, like uh, what is it called? Those little thingies. It's not a watch you can wear.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:45

It's like the band? No.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:48

What are the what are they? Are you talking about a pocket watch? A pocket watch. It's a $400 pocket watch. Now let me this is where I get why I think I'm not I don't enjoy fashion the way I used to, because everything now feels like every brand collab or activation just feels like the craze of let's get everybody to wait in line at three in the morning for two days. Everybody buy three, we're gonna sell it online for 10 times the price tomorrow. And like that's the whole point of it. And that mix of like overconsumption slash like getting everybody hyped up for things that no one's gonna actually be able to get who's a fan, these weird people who like make it their life to flip fashion, like they're flipping a fucking hell. I just like I'm so tired of that whole thing. If you were a fan of Swatcher AP and you weren't like in the 1% that probably got like an invite to pre-purchase, you're not one of the weirdos who's gonna wait in line. Like, I just miss when you could do a collab like this or do a really cool special limit edition something, and it would reach the intended audience, and it'd be something really cool and really niche, and they didn't need to go viral and have somebody trampled for it to like.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:00

Yeah, you felt like you felt special about getting, you know, I used to feel like that about sneakers because I was like headed towards beingcome a sneaker head. And then I got drawn back because I'm like, it's so like I don't know. I'm not getting a ticket. I don't want to stand in line for two hours. I feel like that's stupid. I just I want a really cool, different, colorful print sneak. Like, I just want something different. I just want something cool and different. And they uh they just be low key growing out.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:28

Like, okay, if you look at like AP, right? Their customer is their customer. The likelihood of someone seeing this collab and being like, today's the day I'm gonna save for an art of my, like, you know what I mean? Like, that's their their customer's probably already baked in. And the chance of them really wanting this, maybe as like a novelty, okay. Somebody who is like a true swatch wearer, I don't know if for, I don't know how much a swatch wash typically runs. But again, I don't know if like that's gonna make or break them. I don't know. I it it will probably sell out. But I think it'll be one of those things where it doesn't really like I don't know. I feel like brands now care so much about impressions and virality where it's like when it really boils down, is it important for them to just get like impressions and looks or like are you trying to add and meet a new customer base? Are you just trying to do something create? Like, what is the measure of success and the goal here? Because if I was a fan of either, unless I was, like I said, in the one person that was gonna be given that watch or can be easily invited, it's just like a regular run-of-the-mill person, you're not gonna get the watch. And so what's the point?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:34

Okay, so I the watches, I think the watches are cute. And you know, I love color. It just they're watches, they have really cool colors, pops the colors. Um, this shit is on a lanyard.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:44

You put it on like a book bag? Will people steal them? Like, I don't that I I don't know. It just ruins the the the vibe from like and then just seeing people already in Miami waiting in line three days beforehand, and you gotta check in every day to prove that you were here yesterday, and you're in the like it's just so I just don't enjoy it. Leather fashion lanyard.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:06

It's on a leather lanyard. And so that's to me, it would have been honestly, it would have been more appealing if the lanyard, like it was leathered, but it was braided, and then it had a clip, so you can actually wear it like they wear pocket watches. Yeah, this looks like somebody's gonna have it on their wrist or maybe hanging from their bag, I guess. Maybe not for four. I think I'm still I'm mad I even looked it up. I should have stayed in the dark.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:28

I know because like I said, it's been on the news. They've like been watching all the dummies in the line, and then they've been going viral. And I say dummies because these are not people who are really fans of either thing. They're fans of I'm gonna buy it, I'm gonna buy as many as they let me, and then I'm gonna try to sell it for a thousand dollars extra. And I just I think that's so annoying. It it bothers me more than it should. Um, and then what do you think about our new editor in chief of Vogue magazine, Chloe Malley?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:59

I think she's gonna, I think she's gonna bring a new perspective.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:06

Why are you looking at me like that?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:12

I don't know, because before she became the editor-in-chief, I really honestly did not know much about her. I mean, she's been in all the departments, she she knows her stuff. That's one thing I'm gonna say. She knows her stuff. So I don't I wish somebody funner and more exciting. Funner a word now. I just wish someone more exciting. Okay, can I say that? Okay, I was trying to be nice, you guys. I really wish somebody more exciting was becoming editor in chief of Vogue for this for this new wave, for this new generation, for the next, you know, the next few decades. I I I I don't know. Which, you know what, I I that probably will never happen again. They're probably gonna get switched out a lot sooner, a lot sooner now. Um no, I no one's gonna have the run that Anna Winter has. It's just I don't, I don't, I don't believe it's gonna happen. It could, who am I, but I don't believe it's gonna happen. I just am underwhelmed, and I just I don't know. I I it's not exciting. It's not it's not an exciting transition for me. Hey, she can turn around and do some crazy cool things, and I'm like, oh my God, I totally underestimated her. What a cool gal. But that's just not how I feel right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:33

Right. I definitely have a two things can be true perspective about her. So let me let let me put a precursor. I may be being a bit of a hater for two reasons. One, I'm very bitter that ALT never got that job, like he should have, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:52

And B, I'm very bitter that I didn't get the job like I should have when I like I thought I was gonna get when I was in college. But let me let's all jokes aside, the thing that I will say that I appreciate is she is very boring. She's not stylish or fashionable at all. And she just has a lack of pretentiousness and like a lack of errors around her that I feel like maybe having like one thing she said when um Anna Wintor did that New York Times interview with her. So okay, let me rewind it for people who are maybe not fashion people who listen. Everybody knows who Anna Wintor is, she's been the editor-in-chief for Vogue for 37 years. What people don't realize about when Anna Winter, because in our lifetime, she's always been Anna Wintour, but when she over the magazine, it was like a revelation because the way that she shot the magazine and the way that she shot the covers was so radically different from what came before her. And her her cover style, she fired all the old guards that were there when she came in. You know what I mean? So her style became kind of what we see in covers today, like the way covers are now, with models wearing high and low on a cover, focusing on the model, you know, focusing on not just the garment, but the individual having the personality and the energy and the celebrity cover. That was really a her thing, which is really a big deal of the time. So I think her being completely different is probably what it looked like when Anna Wintor came and her being so different. But I guess I'm just trying to figure out like, okay, you're different. You don't care about fashion that much, which is kind of concerning. But you know, fashion is art, and there's a lot of other layers than just how you personally dress. I think it would help to have a good personal sense of style or just a good individualized sense of style. She's very frumpy. So I think I think that that is if I'm being positive, her not being so into the airs of fashion and sucking up to people, which I think she's still a little suck up. I'm like, well, maybe that'll give way to more heavy, art-based societal cultural conversations, where we won't be able to go focus on things being pretty, but like she maybe she's really smart and really, you know, provocative in thought that she's gonna bring something to the level of fashion that makes it more humanized, that really brings the art out of it, and you know, makes Vogue a cultural curator of what's going on in the world, not just, you know, a expensive magazine. Yeah. But what makes me concerned is I've tried listening to the podcast. So when she started in Vogue, she was a social editor. So basically she covered like weddings and parties in the area. Nothing revolutionary. Then she became the editor of Vogue Digital, which I thought kind of got cool for a little bit, but whatever. I don't think it's been it's probably more relevant than Vogue, the actual magazine. And then she also runs their podcast called The Run Through. So I was like, let me listen to her podcast because I think that's a really good way to like get someone's essence and their vibe and their energy, more so than what she wears. She seems like a lovely girl, nice girl, super chill, a lot more approachable than Anna. I don't really get like her personality comes off like her clothes. Just fine. Just fine. And I think people feel like because she's so not aggressive, not intimidating, doesn't have a clear vision or stance on her own. She even says the idea of me having my vision, you know, it's overwhelming. I think it makes it easier for Anna to do the job without having to do the job. Like if you're just gonna do whatever Anna Winter probably tells you and not give a lot of pushback or like stand on like this is what needs to be covered or whatever. And then I think she has the luxury of not really caring that much because she is privileged. She grew up with very wealthy parents, grew up in Beverly Hills, lived half of her life between here and Paris. Her mom's an actress, her dad's a director. Like, there's also privilege in being like, I don't really care what I wear. Like, bitch, what? We could never get an internship looking like that, let alone get the job. I don't give a damn what editorial director, blah, blah, she was. No. She wouldn't have gotten, and I think that's such a privileged. She knows she's a Neppo baby and she says it, but it's just like, how cute is it to not care about the way you look, about fashion, about letting the world know why you're not sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:44

But then be the editor-in-chief of a major fashion magazine.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:48

And you can just be like, what Evskis? Like, what a point of privilege. And to operate-wimsical to operate from that level of privilege just gives me not a lot of hope that we're gonna get a lot of depth. And the covers that so far have all looked like shit. The Rosalia cover look fine, the doja cover look fine, but all the covers before they look fucking terrible. So that's not really exciting. But yeah, I just find it really interesting that to me, it's giving very just okay. And you get the probably most coveted job in all of art and fashion in entertainment. Are you trying to depress me? I'm sorry. I just, and again, I don't think she's a bad person. She seems like a sweet, lovely.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:26

Like I would probably is very chill, very so approachable, probably.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:31

You know, you can't she wants, she said she wants a offering.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:33

She's not gonna cuss you out, but for your opinion.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:37

But that's why I love Law Roach because I like a little meanness in my fashion people. I like them to be a little bit unapproachable and a little and in whatever mediocrity that she gives that makes Vogue become irrelevant. I feel like it would just be Andre Leon Tally's revenge. Let's be for real.

SPEAKER_10 1:15:55

Is that too much?

SPEAKER_08 1:15:58

Too much? Too harsh? He is in heaven looking at that lady like you've got to be fucking kidding me. I wore cakes and have custom trunks with my name on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:10

And this girl Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:12

I think it's crazy. But like he wasn't even a option for the job. That's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:19

That is crazy. It's very crazy.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:21

At this point, they should have made it fucking for real. When they were saying that it might be for real, fuck, fuck, just give it to him.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:28

I I I think we would have seen some really interesting and it would have been stupid.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:34

It would have been stupid, but it would have been a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:36

It would have been a very, it would have been conversational. It would have been a conversation piece for sure. And I say stupid. Every time. What are you about to say? Because I feel like I should cut you off and be like, let's play this rapid fire game. So that's just a lot of people.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:51

I don't think Pharrell has the highest value of resale items. So when he does a brand collab, of all the celebrity brand collabs, his is always gonna go for the most money in resale because of the popularity and intrinsic value. I believe that Pharrell is not necessarily more fashionable than others. I just think he has a very, very clear sense of personal style. And he has a very clear aesthetic of what he likes and what he doesn't like, and he can articulate it better than others, but I don't think he's more than other people.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:22

I agree. I I'd want any like he does have a very certain style for Ralph. You know, he does have a watermark in.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:31

And it's such a good watermark that it can translate and evolve and twist and form into whoever he collaborates with, and it's very and be fluid throughout multiple brands. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:40

Like he like, so I I definitely think that's probably why he is where he is. And he can, like you said, he can articulate it because he knows how to be like, this is what I want, this is what I like.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:50

That is that's why Connie is good at fashion because anybody who can produce and compose is somebody who can naturally take a bunch of different elements and put together something cohesive, especially if people composing this, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:02

Yeah, so whether it's music notes, fabrics, mingle. Now she wants to rush.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:08

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:10

You know I can go on and on. Okay, so we've gone through our saints, who are people who we believe just are doing it for fashion right now. Our sinners who, you know, everybody deserves forgiveness, but you know, it wasn't right. It wasn't, it wasn't right. And then we talked about our summer dresses, metaphorically, the things that we are bringing into the summer that we want to just keep with us and you know, flexing our style, changing our style a little bit also. So for this rapid fire, I'm gonna say certain styles or things that are happening in the fashion world that are trends right now, and we're both gonna give our opinion on whether it should be in or it should be out.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:50

Depending how you said opinion. If I'm like rapid fire, I have thoughts.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:55

Rapid fire. Rabbit. Okay. Okay, first one. Share everything. You go first. I'm in. I'm I'm in. I want you to say shear everything. Show it to me. Show it to me. Share top, share bottom, little panty, little nipple coverage. Show it all. Show it for the summertime. Share everything. I think it's a special occasion kind of thing. Like you want to go all out, share everything. But in my mind, when I think about summer and I think about like shear everything, I think like the material's really thin. So whether you do a bathing suit or you do like a neutral panty or something like that, under something that's thin, or even like your the crochet, it's not so tight, so still kind of see-through, something like that. I was being a little dramatic when I said in all of it. Like, don't I don't I don't want to see your vagina. And do I need to see your nipples if I'm going out to dinner? Not quite sure. So I'm like in the middle, so like I'm in, but then if I feel like I can see what you look like during sex, I'm out.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:05

Well, that just converted me to in then, because I want to see, I want to see that monk and no, you are so I mean annoying. And from a like a stylish perspective, there's a way where you can do new illusion sheer or whatever. But I just know the way that it gets done now. It's just like, okay, like like it's just not again, everyone's style is personal. I just think that there are there are more creative, more elegant ways to give sexy and comfort in a look. Um where like it can't be like sheer. I mean, because you see sheer top, sheer bottom, you know what I mean? She like there's nothing like there's no outfit. There's no outfit. There's no that this isn't legally now not an outfit. This is a piece of clear fabric over your parts. Like that, that's when it becomes like when you say sheer everything, I'm good with sheer accents, not sheer everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:08

Oh, sheer accents. Okay. Yeah, don't emperors new groove us. Okay, we don't want to have to tell you you're naked.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:13

Honey, down here, baby. They like specifically Google what is the clearest outfit I can legally wear to walk around my. It's great. Like, again, I'm not finna shame you, girl. Um if you want to have that shit on and not on, go ahead. But I just don't, I I I think we can do sheer accents and it will be just as impactful.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:35

I agree. Now, this one gives me uh elementary picture day, but hey, let's let's you know, some people do it in some, you know, ballet flats with sundresses.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:53

You know what? I'm gonna just say that I'm a hater because I have very wide feet and I feel like you need skinny feet for ballet flats to look cute, in my opinion. And I have fat feet, so I don't like the way my feet look in ballet flats.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:07

I don't like the way mine look either.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:09

And I'm not gonna lie to you, I think of all the shoes made in the world, ballet flats are the ugliest fucking shoes in the world. I don't give a fuck if y'all try to slide a little hill on the back of them or whatever you try to do. I hate a ballet flat. I really, really do. Like I and I own some. I have the classic Chanel ones. There's there are some people who wear like the Alaya Mesh ones are cute. The um classic Chanel ones are cute. I hate those um those Mason Martin jellas that have the camel toe thing. I hate those. Yeah, I'm sorry. And I listen, I'm there have been I've seen looks where somebody's wearing that and they either like they're in kindergarten or they look cutesy. It's just a ministry I don't want to be a part of.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:51

I have no I'm very summer dress and sandals, like a cute little strappy sandal, a cute heel, a cute straight. I need you to wear a cute mule nowadays. Yeah, a mule, a nice little summer mule under summer dress. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:06

Give me a strappy heel, please.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:08

All right. Next one oversized linen.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:12

You know, I when I first read it, all I thought of was the classic uh at Boon Cookman versus fam and all my dad's friends and them big ass uh white linen cutout pants from the flea market and them Jerusalem cruiser uh brown sandals and a straw hat. But no, why are you talking about everybody daddy? Y'all know what I'm talking about. So no, not that linen. So when I looked up oversized linen, like as like looks, that that season of my life, my my Martha's Vineyard, Hamptons, Rich Old Lady, I don't give a damn era. That's I think that's the fast. Like I'm too young for it right now. I love the way it's but I have I want to have some things to look forward to.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:55

Yes, when they they tuck it into their the top of their pants and let it fall. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:00

So I I I wanna I want that to save that for the future, but I definitely it's sexy when your hair is gray. Yes, girl. You have like a big old red lip $20,000 burken in your on your hip full of uh bengay and denture cream and I cannot stand you. And in an extra dirty hair tie and some corn chips, like yeah, that's that's my future.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:28

Snacks and Ben Gay. All right, next.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:30

And don't forget to put my poly dent for my teeth. What about you? Would you would you rock a linen look? Um right now, that's not my style. Yeah. Would you rock right now with me?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:42

Yeah, girl. Yeah, we could be linen twins.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:45

We'll be like the old um lady friends and have the wonder if we're a lesbian couple or not. Yeah, with my oversized glasses, yes, ma'am.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:52

We'll be able to get it. We're holding hands. Yeah, they're gonna be confused because we're gonna be holding hands. And they're gonna be like, what?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:57

They don't know that you're just trying to keep me up because I'm drunk. That's all. Trying to keep this bitch out of the bushes. So, yes, we will be in matching linen text when we're the elderly. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:10

Oh, it's a date.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:11

It's a date.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:13

Okay, what about the quiet luxury summer look? And I had to look it up to make sure I wanted to keep it, but it gives me resort. And in resort, it's very it can be cute and then it can be cheesy. It can get very JC pennies sometimes with the resort. At this point, I think I'm out. I don't think I'm at the resort fashion age yet. Well, I'm probably at the age. I don't know if I'm at the tax bracket. I'm at the tax bracket. No, you're not at the age. You need like N more yeah. I feel like it's it's the same, it, it's the same thing with the oversized linen. Like I'm not there yet. Right. Yeah, I'm not there yet.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:53

Well, I'm gonna be a Debbie Downer. I absolutely fucking hate the term quiet luxury. I think it is a dog whistle, passive aggressive way, no N-words allowed. I do. I hate I hate the term quiet luxury because I've never heard this perspective. I'm in, I'm leaning in. So, like, it's this idea of like, oh, people with real money don't do this. And people with real money. I live in this realm of what real people do with money, what they don't do with money. I've I've been on the outside, the inside, the middle, but people with real money do whatever the fuck they want to do, first of all. So let's start there. People with real money, if they want to have Balenciaga all up and down their forehead, they will. People with money, if they want to have something that's, you know, completely logo-free, they will. But this I this idea, like it's it's very have and have nots. It's always people who think that they know rich people or whatever, telling everybody what rich people actually do. And again, if you're if you are rich, whatever you wear is luxury because you're just a rich person, whether it's expensive or cheap, you are you are the rich, you are the rich. You don't need to put on the costume. But what you're mentioning about the JC Penny look, that that what you're seeing is a costume because it is somebody who is actually not wealthy, going off of what they saw on TikTok, being told by some girl who fucked one rich guy for a summer, telling everybody now that this is what you need to look like to belong in this crowd. But the reality is, what I need people to know is you can wear whatever quiet luxury costume that you want. People with money know that you're not one of them. You can wear whatever you want to wear. It will, you will not, they will smell your scent. You can't fake it, you can't pretend, you can't smell a negative balance in your fake account. They will smell the debt. Please. Please. They they know that you actually went to Chipotle last week. Like if you notice that whole like clean girl aesthetic, quiet luxury, it's always little, you know, white girls. Every now and then you'll see a black girl, you know, pull off the look. And I think the look for what it is, fine. Sometimes I feel like Like it's an overcorrection to how poorly everybody dresses now. Like it's an overcorrection to everybody wearing workout clothes everywhere. I just get real like cagey with the wording because again, it starts to sound like colored water fountains and white water fountains. Like, I just don't, I I hate the term quiet luxury. It's not a thing. It's not a thing. And even when you talk about like, they're like, oh, well, Jackie, oh, she was on like a freaking $80 million yacht. Like, there's no, listen, don't you?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:31

There was nothing quiet luxury about her. She had a sense of style. Her style seemed, maybe they want to use the word quiet because it seemed simple, but it was very not. It's not intentional executed.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:42

Come on. And granted, you know, they have that Gucci bag that's named after her, the Jackie. Granted, that bag is not full of logos, but you have to realize that was during a time where logo fashion wasn't a thing. And I totally get it. I totally get that a lot of brands they will make a cheaper version of their high-end brand and slap a bunch of G's on and sell it to whoever. I I totally get that. That is a thing. But again, by what you wear and what you don't wear, I know people want to tell themselves that they can cosplay to look like a rich lady and that all will be right with the world. People know that that quiet luxury Van Cleef bracelet was from Amazon. You're not fooling anybody. And it also, also, people with rip money who you're trying to fool, they don't care what you have on. They're not thinking about anybody else. They're giving you any mind. They're too busy enjoying being rich. They do not care.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:37

They appreciate you being confident in your own style. And you wear, yeah, and you wearing, you you represent yourself when they look at you and be like, oh my goodness, that's so you.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:48

Listen, I knew a man who had a private plane who wore Costco pants, okay? Them pants was luxury to me because they were getting on a private jet. They were not buying commercial. Thank you so much. But wear your sweater around your neck and make yourself feel like a Vanderbilt, girl. Go ahead. But I just oh my neck. Okay, just yeah, just again, if if you like that style, like that style. But this idea of like putting on airs that like you dress this way because you know the tacky people wear all that. Oh, okay, girl. Okay. And another thing, I want to talk about this idea of this faux luxury. Have you seen this whole thing where like people will go to a quote unquote stylist to source items for them? So there's this whole drama. There's this girl, she was working with this boy who is a stylist, and she wanted to order some Gucci purses, right? Or a Gucci purse and a pair of Gucci shoes. He goes to the store, he buys them for you at cost. No discount, no markup, really, just whatever. He sends them to you. And then if you don't like it or it doesn't fit, you can either send it back to him and he can do the return, or because he genuinely got it from Gucci, he could do the return for you. Something happened where it didn't go well and she was flaming him. So people were like, Well, help me understand why did you go through him to get the purse? Why didn't you just go to Gucci?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:04

Yeah, I don't. I'm you know, I'm looking at you like, what is this middle?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:07

What is the person that so for all of you people, if any of you in the comments were curious, and and please, one thing about me, I no ball, so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't know a lot, but I know this. What he is doing, you are helping him pad his account. So he's going to Gucci with your money and buying all these items. He can return them because he got them from Gucci, but it's going under his name. So he in turn will have access to maybe certain things because he's, you know, spending a lot of money there, but he's using your money to do it. So the girl was like, well, that's a luxury. Some of y'all will never know, but you're complaining about a $700 return. But here's what I'm saying: if you were really into fashion like that, you could go to Gucci, you could buy those things, you could build up a relationship with an essay, and you could get the same special offers that you think he's being offered. Period in the story. Now, if you're a casual luxury goods shopper, again, I don't see the benefit of you going through him because if he does get a really special quote unquote quota bag, which Gucci doesn't really have, the chances of him giving it to you as a one-off buyer versus somebody who probably buys from him all the time. Somebody who would buy from him all the time would be able to go to Gucci. It's not like you need a credit card. You can use your drug dealer cash and it's fine. So my thing is it doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:27

It's just weird. So it's that's just a shopping concierge.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:31

But it makes it, it makes it dumber because it's like having a shopping concierge at Neiman's or Sachs is one thing because they're touching a bunch of different brands. Having a concierge shopper for just Gucci or just Louis Vuitton is an essay. Get it, get work with a sales associate. You go to Chanel right now and buy a purse, buy a $6,000, $9,000 purse, you bet your bottom dollar, that sales associate is gonna give you their card, especially if you're in like in a smaller retail store or a smaller market or store, they're gonna give you their card. They might sign you some champagne. They're gonna want to have a relationship with you. And if you continue to buy things with them as opposed to with Abbaway, eventually anything you want from Chanel down to even private events, if you're buying like that, if you're in this luxury realm of where the quiet luxury people live, that's how that works. But sometimes I feel like Instagram is so worried about teaching people what rich people do that they're telling them lies.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:25

That is not how it works out. Now, again, if you have Law Roach money, that is somebody who is going to go out there and find pieces for you that their gin pop could not get. You genuinely couldn't. The the the the queen who went to Phipps Gucci to get you that pink Gucci purse, you could have done it on your own and saved yourself the headache. I'm just telling you. And you could have built really built a relationship and really got you some great things. All you're doing is patting his personal profile. I guarantee you, there's not a single thing that that boy can get in Gucci that my mother could not walk in and get the same exact thing. I'm just, if you really want to be in this upper echelon delusion of luxury, just see free. Go build your own relationship. Go build your own relationships. Please. So yeah, the quiet luxury triggers me. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:13

It's it's I see, I see. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm glad, but I'm glad it was on that list. We needed that. I appreciate it. Let me get that out. Yes. Okay, so these last two three have to be rapid fire. Oof. I have such strong. She can't do it. Look, I looked in her eyes. She can't do it, y'all. It's not happening. Never mind. It's rapid-ish fire. I'm gonna do it. No. Okay. So for this next month, we already know I'm in. It's crochet. I'm in. I'm in. Don't be extra. I'm in. That's all I have to say. Um even though, hold on, wait. Hold on. Rap it's not so rapid.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:48

No, rap it. Rap it. No, wait. Don't explain yourself. Rapid.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:56

Okay, so I've seen some things on two different levels. And the first one I saw, I was like, okay, that's a little weird, but I like it. But I like it because I'm a little quirky. So there's these like crochets, whole hood thing. I wish you had pictures. It's like a whole, it's like, it's it's some, it's very, it's very Kanye but girly. Okay. So it's it's a whole, it's a whole crochet hoodie. But then on top of that, what the girl does is like on the outside, she will add gemstones and then make it look like like you have like big ponytails, like big puff paw ponytails or something like that, or some pigtails, and it's really, really cute. I thought it was really cute. But then I saw one that I just what it just I felt like it was like too much because it was like a whole hair dude. Like on the on the head. It was like an entire Yeah, it was a whole hair dude, so it wasn't. So like crocheting can get very tacky very quickly. But I've seen some amazing things. Like I I follow this guy who crochets, and it's so good. He does whole outfits.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:10

He'll jeans. It's bit like I mean, it truly is an art form. It truly is an art form. So I'm in. I just want people don't get tacky when I'm in. But I'm in.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:23

You I'm completely out. Um again. I've seen things. I just like it is it hot or is it cold? Like, does it keep you warm? But then there's holes, but like when you sweat on it, how does that feel? Like, I just it looks great. I've seen some things that's cute. There's just not a time in my life where you're gonna see me grab something crochet and put it on my body. That's just crazy. I'm not not my ministry, not my not my community, not my niche, not my I can I can acknowledge that it's art and that it's well done and it takes a lot of skill, talent, it's beautiful. Just don't waste uh sending it to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:00

I actually said don't send it to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:02

Um next color blocking, color blocking the way it looks now, yes. But if you're still color blocking the way we were doing it when we like first learned about it for our people in 2000, no. No, don't do that. If you look at color blocking, can I pull it off? Am I gonna do it? No. But the color blocking that I see now, like this girl, she did this outfit around the blue and the orange for the Florida Gators, shit. Eight. Um I'm not gonna walk around and pull it off. I'm not gonna ever do that. So, yes, but if you're doing it harder than right.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:40

Color blocking, you know what I like? Uh color blocking, I like monochromatic color blocking.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:45

So let me ask you, is that considered it could all be reds, and that's still a color blocking?

SPEAKER_05 1:37:51

I believe so, because they're it's not the same, it's a variation, but it's not like it's not tones of reds. Tone, yeah, so different tones and shades for it to be color blocking.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:01

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:02

Otherwise, it's just monochromatic. If you're doing an all-purple, it's all the same color. Like thing. Oh, it's just that's straight. Other than that, it's monochromatic and color blocking when there's different tones and shades of the same color.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:14

So yeah, I think that's my preferred kind of color blocker. Isn't it so I think it looks so cool? I know exactly what it is. It looks amazing. I think that's the most modern way to do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:24

Yeah, it is. I agree. All right, and the last one is micro bags. What do you think? How do you feel about I got shit to carry? Like, I don't so there's like times where okay, I'm going out with my husband and I don't have to carry it. I don't really, he can put my phone in his pocket or something like that. So if it if the bag was just so cute, I had to have it and it was a micro bag. That's now when I say micro, I mean micro for me. I'm I'm I'm 5'8, you know, you're not finna get my weight, but you know, we get the picture. I'm not about to carry around a bag that might it would look full size on my daughter. Like that's um yeah, like yeah, like, like that's just it. So while there may eventually be one that I'm in for at this point in time, I'm out.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:21

Okay, okay. I'm honestly like I should be in the same place that you are because like this is my phone, and I've never left the house without like 87 million things. I have like purses within purses within purses. My wallet is ridiculous, but I do when I see a little micro bag, I see it. I'm just like, oh my god, like how fucking cute are you? Like, I want to be a bitch with this little responsibility in my life. Like, I aspire to that life. Like my sister has this one teeny tiny, stupid knot. Like I have keychains. Literally, my LaBoo Boo keychain that I just got for my AirPods is bigger than her purse. And I still think it's so cute. Like all the little like mini hermes, all the mini Chanel that'll be like a pearl. And like this girl, she uh her name's style by Shishi. She buys like all the little weird little mini bags, and she's like, my phone cannot fear. Like maybe one ID, but like my phone can't fit. Is it ridiculous? Yes. Would I absolutely buy one if I had just like money to waste? Yeah. I think they're adorable. They're so freaking cute. I actually have one. Remember the the I don't know if you saw the Black Gucci one that I have? This one. Oh, yeah, many something. Yeah. And like, yeah. Literally see, I can do it's almost this. Look at my phone can barely fit.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:44

Yeah. See, I can do, I can maybe do that. But that's what I I need to be able to, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:50

It's it's not real. You have too many children. It's not realistic.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:53

This bag can literally only fit my son's epipins, my phone, and like some lip glosses, and maybe like a card. Because it's also like real leather, so it's very stiff. It doesn't have any give, and it has everything like bamboo closure, so like it can't like stretch at all. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:09

Yeah, you can't you can't pack that.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:11

This for me is as much of a fanny pack as I'm gonna wear because it also attaches to like a really cute leather belt that says fanny. Oh, yes, y'all.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:18

Super freaking cute.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:19

I've never this is again, I didn't have to go through a personal shopper. I've never seen this piece in or anyone wear it in the US. My mom got it overseas, but you know what I mean? Like, we didn't have to give money to some random boy on Instagram. We just walked in the store and we got a cool bag. Look at that. You can't play big adults. You hit you can't be able to do that. I believe in you. Also, side note, I I would love to talk to somebody about like their bag lore, like how they get like invites to these uh AirMez bags. I think it's hilarious. But I will say one hack that I feel like works in my favor. Granted, I don't shop at Airmez, I don't have any AirMez things. Let me not pretend like I do. But I did, I do know someone who did tell me they would get me an offer, which is hilarious because sure I'll pull up my $25,000 right now. But no, one thing that helps is you have to dress cute. And I know that's like a thing where people are like, I'm gonna go in there and have a pretty woman moment where they're gonna doubt me. No, they just enjoy like people making it an experience. And you know, we dress cute and we get wine. Like, I don't know. I feel like no matter that's one of those things where I'm sure there's some racial discrimination everywhere, of course. But like sometimes it doesn't matter the color, it's just not everybody can do and go in a satin box. Yeah, like you know what I mean. Like, don't be afraid to make it a cute moment. I don't know. I I've had some really good experiences. Make it an experience. Yeah, I've had some really good experiences as of late.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:44

Make it an experience because fashion is supposed to be fun. Oh my god, at the end of the episode to sing. That took long, yeah. I'm doing better, you guys, because I'm pretty sure that kids don't actually switch. But it's a please, I've known him half my life at this point.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:04

But yeah, I I agree. Fashion should be fun. It's it's such a great way of like um expressing yourself. But like Keila said, it can be an experience too. Like, I mean, I love the days of like, you know, going and looking at window displays or just kind of, you know, yes, meandering around and looking through stores and laughing at price tags and stuff. Like it, I miss those days of just like the day casual browsing vibes.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:34

You know what I used to do? I used to go on websites and I don't even do this anymore. You know how everyone does like the style boards and all that stuff. I used to do that just for fun. Oh my god, like I have a bunch of old pictures in there.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:45

Me, I had I used to make collages. I would get like every Vogue or every L or whatever, and I would make like collages of like lookbooks or whatever. That I was like, I'm gonna take this to the big fashion companies and they're gonna know. Like, I know. And then when I was like really, really young, and again, I say this all the time. I wanted a Birkin before most people knew a Birkin existed, okay? I remember I would literally sit in like our little computer room and I would Google Chanel.com, Gucci.com. I'm like, who do you think you are? Like who? Like this would be like in like the 90s when it was not a thing yet. There was no Net's top model on TV. There was no exposure. Everybody was wearing baby fat. I was too because that's what I could afford. But in my mind, I was always in Paris sitting for a royal show. Like this, I get now everybody's into it, but at the time, everyone thought I was crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:41

No, I feel like it opens up a world of possibilities. I don't think if I honestly, if I didn't get into fashion, I don't know if I would have even really thought like college was a possibility for me. Oh, I don't know. Like for real, for real. Like I feel like that it gave me like that passion and it gave me an interest that opened up my world. That you were just really because you're so naturally talented at it and you're passionate about it. And like, and then the whole styling part of it just opens up a whole nother realm of creativity. And it's so and it can be so fun. I don't don't let styling be such a chore. You know what you like, and if you don't know what you like, try some new things, but you know what you like and just play with things and switch your outfits out and like you know what? I usually wear this with this. I'm gonna try it with this pants today, or I'm gonna put, you know, I'm gonna put on, I'm gonna use this purse and match it with these shoes, even though they don't exactly, you know, they're not matchy matchy the same color, but I'm just gonna play with colors and I'm gonna play with prints and I'm gonna play with different metals, like I'm gonna mix metals, and it's just there's so many possibilities, and it's a way for you to just, I mean, learn to show up as you in the world. You don't like, don't be a wallflower. If you don't want to stand out, that's okay. It's I'm not telling you to do something that makes you feel uncomfortable. Yeah, but yeah, show up as your your best self.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:08

But like he'll come to your house. I'm sure it's arm to leg, but like he'll take what you already have and make looks out of it. But I will say, like, if you're somebody who really struggles. It was a TV show, right? No, no, no. He is like a black guy who like goes to your home personally. Oh, who doesn't like it? Yeah, like it's like I don't, yeah, it's like he's not famous, but like he's he's got he's got great styling. I would argue over letting some boy buy you a Gucci bag, if you do anything, find someone who can help you come up with looks or like basic tops and bottoms style and cut of clothes that look best on your body, and then go unleash it like and figure it out on your own on the world. Because I think what stands out to me the most when something, you know, looks stylish or not, or timeless or not, is that it fits well. And I think people don't understand how easy it is to make things fit. You can buy off the rack and get it tailored, you know what I mean? Like let let something fit you well, and then the like the extra stuff you can figure it out. But I agree, fashion for me was I I want to be a fashion writer, like I wanted to be a journalist in fashion. So it was more so not about like the clothes and the cost of the clothes, but like the kind of people that wore those kind of clothes, especially then, and the kind of people that the articles that I love the most would just be a writer talking about like their week and like all the things they did before they came to the shoot. And it's like the lifestyle. Yeah, like they were talking about like the friends that they, you know, met at this random place in Paris and they had drinks till two in the morning, and then they got like it just seemed like such an exotic, amazing, full, adventure-filled life. It wasn't necessarily about like how much money anybody had. It just was like, we're well cultured, we're well traveled, we, you know, like to live spontaneously, and this is the uniform that goes with a person who lives this kind of life. People who live these exciting lives did not wear gap khakis. They happened to be draped in, you know, couture. That's just how I looked at it. It wasn't necessarily I want to have a lot of money and wear fancy clothes. I just wanted to look, walk, talk, and be the part of Anjou Leontali and, you know, Julia Reed. And they all, on top of being all these really impressive, again, cultured, well-written, well-spoken, educated people, they also dress beautifully. And I just felt like it goes hand in hand. They spoke multiple languages. They, you know, had favorite foods from parts of the world that you would never heard of. I that's what fashion was to me. Like you said, it was an eye-opener to another kind of world that I don't think I would have gotten exposed to if it wasn't for fashion. Yeah. We miss your face, Andre. I know. No, I literally like I if I think about it hard enough, I will get because he it was such a bad way ending for him. He died practically alone and penniless. And he was like, I'm always like, if he had stuck around for a few more years, he could have got on fucking Olympic and he would have been fine.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:02

Um in a positive way.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:07

I know you did. I know you did. Like he would have been here. He would have been had a he would have had a podcast, he would have been viral, he would have easily become a little bit of a.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:14

Oh my gosh, he definitely would have had a podcast. Here for it all.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:18

He would have been now completely independently famous as a personality. They would have been throwing shows at him. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:26

Oh, all right, Goo chat. And the uh cheesy cliche. Let the world be your runway.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:33

Share with us what y'all are wearing this summer. Like, what are some of your style tips? What are some of the things that you do to uh beat the heat, uh make it through 87 errands and still not look like a bum? Or do you have questions for us, you know, to help you get into your style bag? Keela can help you.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:54

And side note, not not sponsored, but um, you know, we could be. Um if you're trying. To beat the heat and you're trying to be cute and you don't want to sweat, carpe. Carpe. That orange deodorant.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:06

Like Lumi has. I feel like some of them have a weird smell to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:09

I don't smell it. Like it they have a set, they have an unscented one. Um, but to me, it does the smell doesn't linger. Like it's that loomie has a very distinct smell. It is it it it very, it almost it's like they want your coochie not to smell, but then this smells like smelly coochie, but it's okay. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:29

I don't smell it don't smell like this, smell like this.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:36

No thanks, no thanks. But yes, group chat. Share with us your style, your style tips. I'm saying if you see things and you think, ooh, Keila and Ashley would like that, please do share. Share. I love color, even though I'm trying to get into my whimsical. So even it, like, do you know what? Please help me with my whimsical because I'm not sure. So help me. And I'm just gonna keep saying whimsical because I like how it sounds, and then it still sounds a little weird coming off my tongue, so I'm trying to get used to it. So I'm gonna be obnoxious with that. So help me with my whimsicle. I love the word whimsical. I love I love a touch of whimsy. I love a touch of whimsy. All right, group chat. This was fine. I'm so glad we did this episode.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:18

It makes me feel good. Disgusting dark things all the time.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:23

You have to, or you're gonna go crazy. I know it's important to talk about those things, but you know, you gotta give your your spirit a rest.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:29

It was fun. I enjoyed it. I love you, Group Chat. Love you guys. You better work. That's the outgoing music. Oh, you know, we don't have the money for that. Never mind.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:13

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SPEAKER_08 1:54:30

Here's the truth: no one tells you about the women living the lives you admire. Their lives didn't just happen by accident. They designed them.

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That's why we created the Life by Design Guidebook, a guided journal designed to help you get intentional about the next chapter of your life. Through powerful prompts and reflection exercises, each chapter helps you reset your mindset, redefine your goals, and start creating a life that actually aligns with the woman you're becoming. Because two things can be true.

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You can love the life you have now and still design the life you've been dreaming about. Download your chapters now in our stand store. Your next chapter isn't waiting, it's yours to design.