TTCBT Ruins Your Childhood: Y2K Creeper (Chris Stokes)

TTCBT Ruins Your Childhood Series: Y2K Creeper (Chris Stokes)

You know the music. You grew up on it. But do you know the man who made it?

Chris Stokes built the careers of some of the biggest names in R&B — B2K, Omarion, Immature, Marques Houston. He also spent nearly twenty years at the center of allegations that never made it to a courtroom, never got a documentary, and never got the reckoning that comparable stories have. The industry kept moving. So did he.

Two Things Can Be True Ruins Your Childhood is a new series inside  where we revisit the people behind the moments that defined us. No nostalgia without accountability.

Episode 1 is Chris Stokes. We are going there — the career, the allegations, the timeline, and the silence. Some things don’t get resolved. But they deserve to be said out loud.

We loved that music. Some of us still do. But we’re grown now — and we have questions.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Hey, girl. Hey. Hello. No, not tonight. Not tonight. Go ahead and share with the group chat what we're doing for today's episode. All right, y'all. Uh, before we jump into today's episode, I want to say something really quickly. Everything we're discussing today is heavy. So I didn't mean to like over-exaggerate the darkness of it, but it is, it's very, it does get very dark. So, um, and it gets uncomfortable. And because this is two things can be true, y'all know we're probably going to make a joke, crack a comment, or laugh at something ridiculous along the way. That's just who we are. We never want that to be mistaken for minimizing abuse, trauma, or the experience of people who have come forward with allegations. That is absolutely not what we're doing here. Also, as the friends of Beyond the Blinds have taught me, we need to be very clear. Everything discussed in this episode is alleged. Let me repeat, alleged. We're sharing allegations, public statements, interviews, articles, and claims that have been made by various people over the years. We are not claiming to know with certainty what happened behind closed doors, and we weren't there.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

So again, you guys, like Akiva said, everything is alleged. She also told me to say that uh this is for entertainment purposes only. Nobody sue us. I mean, I tried my best to pull from actual interviews, actual articles, publicly available sources. There's a lot of information that I was able to find on message boards. Those are not facts. A lot of people on message boards do a really great job of pulling from real sources and articles and magazines and videos and what people are saying. But again, nobody that we're talking about that's being accused of anything has been found guilty in the court in a court of law. And in America, you are innocent until proven otherwise.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

So again, it's all insane.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Well, I mean, that's that's what's that's what's fair. No matter I think where we're no that yeah, that is.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Yeah, what becomes the insane part is when there's still as fair as this story gets.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Yeah, there's so much documented evidence that, and then with all that evidence, it just sometimes feels like the system that's in place doesn't do their due diligence to bring justice to anyone. Yep. Um this episode, or so this is a series that we're going to do, depending on how the response is from this episode, will dictate, I guess, how many um episodes in the series will have. We call it Two Things Ruins Your Childhood. So just so you know, basically we will talk about pop culture icons, movies, music, musicians, actors, all the things and the people and the moments that we loved as kids. And then we kind of look at them through the lens of 2026 and adulthood, and we kind of spill the tea. We kind of spill the tea on all the dark, creepy, alleged shit that happened that really ruins the innocence of those moments. Um, and it's not to tell you what to believe, even though I'm convinced. It's about um, it's not about proving beyond a shadow of a doubt what did or didn't happen, because again, everyone's innocent until proven guilty. We can't do that. It's about something that a lot of us experience as adults. You grow up loving something, a movie, a TV show, a celebrity, and then one day you learn the other side of the story. When people get older, they get out of that situation and they start to speak. And it is so diametrically opposite from the way it was presented on TRL and 106 in Park, right? Um, so you learn what was happening behind the scenes, and you suddenly you can't, once you know, you can't unknow, like the Diddy trial. Like you can't enjoy bad boy songs quite the same, knowing the person behind it or singing along with you're singing along with is an absolutely diabolical monster. Um, and it's like realizing you had no business seeing certain lyrics as a kid. Singing R. Kelly's songs to me now, I just can't. I I literally cannot sing Your Body's Calling Me, knowing that there was like a bunch of 13, 12-year-olds in the room when you sing Your Body's Calling Me. That's just crazy. So annoying. Um, so yeah, so again, looking at looking at some of these iconic pop culture moments, people, and looking at it now as an adult and as a parent and someone with a fully developed uh frontal cortex. What does it call your front brain fully developed out and saying, what the hell was actually going on here?

SPEAKER_00 5:36

What felt fun, innocent, and carefree at the time sometimes had a much darker reality sitting right underneath it.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

We haven't even said the artist or the moment in pop culture history that we're even talking about yet. Oh for our millennial girlies, if you are between the ages of what, I would say, I would say 30. 30 is the youngest cutoff to maybe as old as 40. Not that you're old at 40, but like I don't think beyond the oldest age in the range, yeah. You especially if you were a girl of a certain uh flavor profile, if you liked a certain type of music, if you were an RB hip hop girl, you were a B2K fan. And this is this is our our B2K childhood ruining episode. It's that one. Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

B2K. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, y'all. Just all the little posters and I can see my room, and now they're all up in the flames. It's not in late night. Oh my god, turn into ashes.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

I think what made what inspired this series for me is I listened to this. Um the only pop podcast that I truly listen to is Beyond the Blinds. And that's I I joke because their entire podcast is essentially childhood ruining. And I listen to it religiously. Again, it's the only podcast I truly consistently week after week listen to. And I love pop culture, but I also love what they call blind items. So if you don't know, blind items will be literally just like a two, three-sentence blurb about a celebrity, and it'll be something nowadays, it can be something stupid and really trivial, like she wears fake hair because she's secretly bald. Okay. Um, but they can be something as stupid as that they smoke marijuana and have fake hair to, of course, the extreme of this person's secretly gay, this person has five secret children. But the blind is you it'll it'll give just enough hints and clues for you to kind of be able to eliminate who it isn't, but not too much clues to where you can't for certain say who it is. And the cool thing about blinds that I love is how many of them later on you find out to be a hundred percent freaking true. That's so crazy. Some of them you know it's like this is bullshit, or you see, like, okay, as things go on, it didn't happen that way. Some of them, like I said, are 100% true, and some of them you know are true, but something happened to where that thing managed to not occur. You know what I mean? Like, there were so many blind items about Diddy and his behavior and his antics throughout the years, and there were so many blinds about people about to expose him, and we now know that those exposures didn't happen because he was threatening and trying to kill people, so they never exposed him. But all the blinds about him, you know, these parties being sexually dangerous and appropriate about him, you know, and his bisexual behavior, all that came out to be true. So the show again beyond the blinds is started off being just about buying items, but it's a lot of the darker celebrity gossip and lore that you're not gonna find on your typical people magazine. And because I listened to that podcast, and because I've always just been into the darker side of pop culture, people would be like, Oh, I love so and so, and I have to be like, ooh, so let me tell you about so-and-so there, and everyone's so shocked, and in my mind, it's so obvious that it's public knowledge, but their mind is so blown, and I'm I'm already the one that ruins people's faves and their childhood because I have to come with this dark tea. So, this is kind of an extension of that of me using the dark knowledge and the awful powers that I have and using them for good to at least tell you how the world and with B2K, we all know, or most of us remember if you were a B2K fan. We all remember when Rasby started doing these viral videos where he was accusing their manager of um sexual assault and just full-out rape. And I I wanted to do this episode because Beyond the Blinds, they did an episode about Chris Stokes and the allegations, and they went into so much depth about the timeline and just all the things that I never knew. And then so being inspired by the episode because I was a big B2K fan, it made me look into just Google more and just read for myself some of the articles and the stories and the interviews that they mentioned. And in me looking, with me looking into that stuff, there was things that I found that they didn't even bring up because it was already a lot. There was things that I found that they didn't even talk about that I just my I was gobsmacked and I was talking to Akilah about it. Dark. Oh right. I was talking to Akila about it, and I was like, people, the fact that this is not common knowledge about this man, we have we have to share this. If I bring it up, people can't believe all this. But I think part of it is because when Raz B was releasing these videos, it was just pure chaos, and it was a lot of back and forth and a lot of random view a YouTube video would drop and he'd be going on a rant for a super it brought on too much confusion rather than clarity. Like he didn't get any clarity. And I think because like a lot of abuse victims, you're you're no one necessarily tells their trauma in a nice, pretty, wrapped up home, like they're writing a novel. Yeah in the in the throes of pain and hurt and trauma and revelation, it can be very messy. But I think unfortunately for our society, if things are too messy or too confusing, we just write it off automatically as a lie. So I think a lot of the stories and the facts, the alleged facts presented by the victims, was just lost and just treated as messy gossip and entertainment because of the way Raspbi presented it. But when you look at not just Rasby's story, but as we'll talk about it, there'll be some names and there'll be some moments where I'll say, remember this name, or remember this year, or remember this date, because when you tell the story in its full totality, it just becomes almost undeniable that something really dark went on with these kids that these young boy bands and these young artists that we love and that we grew up with. And just like Diddy, Chris Stokes is responsible for a lot of the musicians and the acts and the music that we grew up loving as kids. He, as a manager, was responsible for a lot of these memorable songs in our lives. And he allegedly did some terrible things to these kids. So it's a huge part of our childhood that we're about to ruin. He ruined it, not me.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Yeah, no, yeah. Let's put the real blame.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Yeah, we have to expose it to those of us who would never even know. Because I promise you, whatever you think you know, you have no idea how dark it is. You have no idea. So, first, let's talk about B2K's impact. Again, if you're listening to this show, you're probably in our age range where you either at least know who B2K was or you were a B2K fan.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

So the group was originally formed in 1999 when Jarrell, and we know him as J Boog, Houston, and DiMario Rasby, Thornton, and Drew Pierre, which is Little Fizz, Frederick, Lord have mercy. Why did I ever like him? Anyways, where were members of a group called Melodic? The group was actually formed by American dance choreographer Dave Scott and in the scope, Interstope, A R, Keisha Gamble.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

So the story there is again, Dave Scott and Keisha Gamble originally started this group Melodic with, again, J Bug, Raspbee, and Lil Fizz. That was the original group. Apparently, so Omarion comes into play. Apparently, Chris Stokes knew Omarion since he was like five years old. And I don't know if he was already dating or hanging out with Omarion's aunt, quote unquote aunt. But the story goes that um B2K caught Chris Stokes' eye. And around like New Year's Eve in 99, he had he Omarion joins the group and he becomes the official fourth member. And Chris Stokes kind of weasels his way in, and he now manages, he takes them away from Dave Scott and Keisha Gamble, and he becomes their manager. And that's when he forms them as the band, B2K, which stands for Um Boys in the New Millennium. So Chris Stokes had a reputation of if he saw an act that he liked, he would weasel his way in again with that management team and you know be like, oh, I can get them signed and I can get them in front of the because he could. He he had connections in the industry. Um, even though Keisha Gamble worked in AR, Dave Scott was a choreographer, so did they, but he just seemed to be very good at convincing people to do what he wants a hundred percent. And apparently he was able to convince the parents of Little Fizz, J Boog, and Razby. Because Razby, we'll talk about more, was an actual relative of his. So that's probably another reason why he kind of saw what was going on because Raz B and him are related and he knew Omarion since he was five. I think that it would made it easier for him to get him away from those people, the original management team.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Don't you want family taking care of you?

SPEAKER_01 15:47

Right, exactly. And um, so when he added them on, he convinced the boy's parents to sign a contract with him only. And the management team, again, knew how he was and knew that he was somebody who, if he wanted an act, he was going to get them. He had already had a successful act under his belt, so he was able to pretty quickly get them away from the original management team, change their name for melodic, add on Omarion, and create B2K.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

After they formed B2K officially, they released their self-titled debut album on March 12, 2002. The album eventually peaked at number two on the Billboard 200. Their biggest singles from the album were Uh-huh. Got to be their second album, released only a few months later, was a Christmas album, Santa Hook Me Up, which only reached number 132 on the charts. The third album, Pandemonium, debuted number 10 on the Billboard 200. The debuted single, Bum Bum Bump, their best-selling single reached number one. There wouldn't be another boy band to have a single debut at number one for 17 years. After their number one on the charts in 2004, they released their hit movie, You Got Served. Now I know we all remember You Got Served. I probably watched that movie a hundred times.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I think the reason why B2K, especially at that time, felt so intense is because if you look at it, the dates, the first album comes out in 2002. And within months of that first album coming out, they have these three, you know, back-to-back hits. It's it doesn't debut, but it eventually climbs to number 10. And all the singles, uh-huh, gossip, why I love you, they were all on TRL in the countdown. They were always in the top five, usually one, two, three of the Women Park countdown. Every rotation. Right. And then a couple of months later comes out the Christmas album. And then a couple of months after that, like he gave them no break. Yeah, he gave Which is so crazy to think about now, but okay. Right. Like, you know, artists, artists usually, you know, they wait, they they release the album, they release the singles, they tour a little bit. Like there's there's some gaps, right? Between, but then they were just going back to back. So by the time Pandemonium comes out, they were slowly, but like surely, and when I say slowly within a couple months becoming really popular, so then a whole other album comes out, and again, bump bump bump is the first single, and it was such a huge single. Think about it. The other album and the other singles had to work their way up. Where bump bump bump by then, as soon as it dropped, it immediately comes out at number one. It's so crazy.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

It didn't even register when I was reading it. Like I'm reading the facts and like thinking, like, okay, their first album, their singles, they're going, you know, reading about their second album years, their and then I'm just like, and as you're as you're talking about, I'm like, yo, no, I was like months and then months, and then like not, and we're not talking like eight, nine months, like, no, we're talking like four or five months like in between. Like, so that means these kids are working. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

I and then you have and at all within that same year essentially, you have bump bump bump comes out. It's this black boy band. It comes, it debuts at number one. It has this amazing video that everybody loves. And literally within months of that, you got serve comes out. And you got served grosses like 157 million. And y'all remember, this is pre-social media, pre-TikTok dances, pre-viral videos. So this is videos where everything oh my goodness. Songs became popular and records were sold simply by playing on the radio, kids genuinely loving them and wanting to hear them, us calling and texting and emailing TRL and 106 at Park that we wanted them to win. I remember when they would like not be three or four, I'd be like, I didn't do my part. I didn't call, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, what was what was your like what kind of B2K growth? Were you like a casual fan? Were you a major fan? Who was your favorite? What kind of B2K fan were you? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

So, well, I was a poster all over the wall, singing every song, playing the album back to back, to back, to back, to back to back, to back to back, to back. Like I know my mom probably in the room, like, I wish she would like something else. I mean, I wish she would like something else. So I love B2K. I was so into B2K, but my little boyfriend, I don't know if it was a boy band craze. I just is so into music. And I was just like, these, this is good music, but that started with like immature IMX. Um, my story is early like I used to love Chriss Cross. You look like a very much an immature Chriss Cross type of girl. You don't was, I was, I draw, so I used to like draw their faces. Did you really? Yeah. I had I don't know where they are because I had I drew, I think it was Raz B I drew because I you know, I like liked his mouth. No, it's too much. I had a thing which is really highly inappropriate um at that age. But I had a picture that I drew of him and I drew of LL Kuo J. It was something about something about the mouths. I had to something about the mouths. Now you creating creeping fan stories.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Oh my okay, anyways. Now you creating Tumblr or fanfic stories. Hey, I was definitely a fan. I didn't get to go to any concerts. I definitely didn't want to go to one. Grown now because my favorite. I'm um Loki is a little ashamed because he just didn't turn out to be that great of a person. He rap he was the rapper of the group too, so that drew me to him. I don't know. I'm trying to make excuses to like soften the the fact that make it acceptable that I like this seeming to be. Who was it? Mm-yikes. You're judging me next. You're judging me next. Who was your favorite? Well, you know what? Now I can tell who your favorite was because when I said his name, Bubble. He was ready to jump on me. Jump on me. So so what was it about Mr. Rasby that caught your attention and have you ready to fight even at this big age of yours now?

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Love a problematic king. No. Um yeah, his lips were just so-I mean, he was a beautiful boy. Like, let's be for real. Like that kid was a beautiful, beautiful little porcelain, puffy mouth baby boy. And then, I mean, the like, listen, Omarion, the way Omarion dances to me, he dances like somebody who thinks he's the main character. Like, he dances like I'm tired of dancing, but you guys really want to see me dance. So fine, I'll dance. Where Rasby danced like it was his mission on this earth. Like he took it so serious. Yeah. And I really appreciated that. I was obsessed with B2K. I just like you, I had all the posters. I would buy the magazines just to get the poster fold out. I would buy the B2K focused magazines. The Christmas album maybe was 132 on the charts. It was double platinum number one in my house. I would like to read the book, the full, the CD book, to know who was singing what part. I would cry when Raz B was singing his part. I absolutely I went to the tours. I went to the shows. I mean, I think there was only, I mean, they they broke up pretty soon. So I think they really made one real tour stop in um South Florida. I absolutely remember going to the tour. I absolutely remember crying. I absolutely cried when they broke up. I I love the B2K. I loved reading, you know, I love that they were all quote unquote related. I love I loved their videos. I love, you know what I mean, just the the way they were styled and dressed. I just I want to say they visuals were so good. If I it was either an intercontinental in LA or it was the intercontinental down here in South Florida, but it looked just like the one in LA. And I remember saying to myself, I was so close to being in the delusional. But I I love the look, I just love the whole thing. And I and I have to say, and there's a reason why I'm bringing it up, but it's true. I love the fact that they were a family band. I thought that was so cool. They were all cousins. I thought that was so cute. Because that's how we grew up. And I think this sounds so creepy, but if you get what I'm saying, you get what I'm saying. There is a thing about a group of brothers or cousins that are all hot as a black young girl, especially a young black girl. Like, you know, like let's say you are dating a boy. Hot fan, like brother and his cousins are hot, and you're like, Ashley, come look at his cousins outside. Like, there's just something about that just is so attractive.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Everybody loves a group of good-looking men together.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

And they're because of course they're all related because they all come from the same gorgeous gene pool. I love that. So yeah, I was I was a huge uh and I think when I say ruined job, I'm ruining my own because I was a massive B2K fan. If I had any merch as a kid, I had Spice Girls merch, Britney Spears merch, and B2K merch. That was the only and I loved InSync and Backstreet Boys, but the fact that B2K was like that, but all black, they were the really the only, I remember J5, but they were I think they were a little later, and I wasn't a big one. Yeah. There was an immature, I think, was a little too early for me. I liked them because I love Sister Sister, but B2K was at that perfect sweet spot. Oh, yes, and they were black. That early teen going into I was an InSync girl more than Baxter, because InSync to me was like a blackest band that we had. So when B2K came, I was like, yes, they're really black. This is great. Like they really are on the beat.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

For real. Because when you think about boy blands and like the black music community, you had to like go to like older, like to get like that whole like listening to boys to men. You're listening to edition. We had no business listening to Backstreet or Nex or 112. Yeah, Black Street.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Yeah, Blackstreet was a bunch of grown men. Blackstreet, they were great. What was the No Dignity was great, but those are like those they were my dad's age. That's weird.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

That's that's weird. I love that music. You know that's crazy. I love that music. I know all those songs. I love that music. And plus my dad playing it in the house. Highly inappropriate, but you know, it's like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

That's my but no, those are great songs, but that is also songs that like my parents could also listen to the. It was not our generation, yeah. Was for us. Built for it for the girls. Get the girls out of here. So we talked a little bit about, you know, because I sent you the Beyond the Blinds episode. Yeah. And again, this this might as well be a Beyond the Blinds stand podcast for me personally. We dedicate this to you. This was, and and I have no problem saying that they absolutely 100% heavily inspired it. Um, and there's some people who obviously are not super into gossip and lore, so you know what I mean. They may not listen to, but if you are interested or you're just curious, even if you just scroll to see if one of your faves is an episode topic, I say it's worth getting the episode because it'll be it will be so eye-opening. But so this was your first time listening to a Beyond the Bonds episode. What were some of your hot takes or some of the things that you heard from their episode in the book in the information they pulled that blew you the most? Like that really made you slow blink and catch a breath.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Okay, so the first one, which I feel like the idea isn't crazy, however, under extreme parental supervision, maybe that's when it works. And it was when they brought up the talent houses. Oh, oh my god. And his his name is Troy, right? Wait, what's his name? Troy McKeady. Troy, it's Troy, right? I was right. Okay. Yeah. So when Troy brought up the talent houses, I I was like, wait, what? I didn't think that that kind of stuff was going on back then. Of course, I'm, you know, a teenage girl and not really paying attention to that kind of stuff. But to really think that even back then, because now, you know, we have the influence, the influencer houses and stuff like that now, but to really think that back then that there were like a bunch of little kids, because they're little kids. I don't care what nobody says, they're little kids.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Can you choose the group chat who may not know what a talent house is? Can you say okay?

SPEAKER_00 29:42

So group chat. A talent house is a home which is ran by most of the time, it seems like a manager, um, a publicist kind of person, most of the time a manager, and you have multiple children who they are managing. So it could, you know, you could have like Stokes had a group, um, single artists, um, whoever, movies you want to be, you got kids who are acting in here. So what it is is you have all these children in the house, this adult that parents sign over to allow him because they need to have them do this legally. So they sign over whatever contract, whatever temporary, even they, I think at to some point, some of them I was reading upon this that they sign over like temporary rights, like this person. Yeah, so this person has can take them to go get doctors, appointments, and checkups, and they can do these things if they wanted to enroll them in like um a homeschooling, they would be able to do it's crazy, but um, so yes, so you have all these kids in a talent house ran by one adult, maybe two adults, who knows, and they're managers and they work them however they want to work them, they feed them however they want to feed them, and we'll, you know, later talk about how they treat them. That was the biggest forgot.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Yeah, I knew about the talent houses. Um, because Luke Roman, the guy who created um InSync and Backstreet Boys, did something very similar where we were in Orlando. No idea. And a lot of and a lot of people would do that. And oddly enough, it would be a lot of them in Orlando because this would Orlando is like it was a place where a lot of these kids would go become cars and stuff. Um where yeah, they'd they'd have a house where they all live in there. And and it sounds really so the if the way I'm about to explain it, please don't take it as me agreeing with this, because I think it's weird. But it makes it convenient and easy because if there's a seven o'clock voice lesson, there's a nine o'clock dance lesson, from ten to two we do school, from two to three, we record, from four to five, we do interviews, from six to seven, we do a mall show. Like it just makes it easier because all day is packed with rehearsals, recordings, shows, practice, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So as opposed to mom and dad driving kids back and forth, when a lot of the times the parents were either not around, financially struggling, had to quit work, you know, still have to go do their actual job and take care of their other children that weren't in the band, it would be like, you know what, just let them come live with me and we'll focus on that, and they'll come home maybe for Christmas. And then eventually maybe they can't come home from Christmas because they're working. It just was a con uh is a most convenient setup, right? For for them to be able to work uninterrupted. So yeah, the townhouses are but I didn't think about though what you said. I didn't see the correlation until you said it with the social media influencer houses. And I think it's about offline, and I think you're very right about, is some, and there's already been a documentary. There's gonna be more documentaries about these social influencer houses and the stuff that goes on in them. That's like not okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

I I just I didn't it's gonna be a whole series. I'm telling you right now, there's gonna be a whole series.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

I didn't see the parallels at all. Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

And my mom, when we were talking about I was like mentioning this to her, she made such a good point. And she was like, she's like, Yeah, she was like, there's them, yeah, share cropping talent. I was like, they give them everything. Like, here you go, you have a place to live. I buy you your clothes, you guys get to drive around in fancy cars, you might even ride private jets, you get to eat what you want in front of people, because behind closed doors, not so much. Like, and but then you owe them everything, like they act as if you I mean, you owe your life to them for them doing this really sick and twisted. Also, I don't know, it just seems, and I think we can, I don't know if we want to get on this person right now, but the Ray J of it all, it kind of blew me when they were talking about him.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

That boy allegedly is so dark sided. He I I wouldn't even waste my time and energy doing a Ray J episode because it would be full of so many alleged That's exhausting.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

That isn't exhausting, and that's a rabbit hole that's very dangerous mentally because it's too much.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

He has been, if not famous, at least in this, I don't think he's ever had a time in his life where he had a normal childhood that's not connected to this life.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

And he's had to me, I this is so not about them, and I just said I wasn't gonna do for the energy, but to me, I even find Brandy, and I know people don't like that I'm gonna say this. I find her and her mom and the whole family so dark sided. I think the way they like to move with lies and secrecy, and I get it, she was like the original black pop star girl, and she had to be above reproach, and she had to have this image of the perfect all-American black girl. But I just think she was taught to lie and hide so much that he thinks it's not because she was taught for her job. I feel like he was raised to think that there's no separation between that's just my career persona, but I'm all I think that he was just taught that it's just how life is lived. And it's just there, they the stuff that they have been involved with, the stuff that's gone down, the stuff that they've gotten erased and hidden, like she gets away with so much, and he gets away with knowing about so much. And anytime there is something dark going on in black LA Hollywood celebrity circuit, yeah, his name is gonna be brought up in it. His name is gonna be including the night that Whitney died, but we're not gonna go there right now.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

Oh Lord, no, we can't. Ooh, okay, okay. Before you share up and before you talk about your takeaways, I have to it irritated me, and I'm so glad they brought it up. But people making comments that telling people that you've been abused and naming your abuser is outing someone. What kind of outing? Or you're a rat? Like, how human beings, like as human beings, like can we simply just, I mean, the bare minimum, how is outing someone terminology that you would use for someone who is naming their abuser or naming a abuser?

SPEAKER_01 36:55

I just think that's that's the black culture of it all. Is like if like with R. Kelly, him sitting with a bunch of girls, the first conversation is the girls are fast and grown. The second conversation is where we're the parents. And like we don't get to him being gross and inappropriate and a pedophile until like conversation.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Himself.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Like that's yeah, that's if it's a black guy with little boys, the priority conversation is oh, they're gay, he's gay, you were gay. Like, whoa, how do we skip the fact that he was a grown ass? It's immediately like you said, the conversation becomes about the kid who would happen to is he gay? Are you Ray J was making fun of Razby, calling him gay? I don't care who is or isn't gay.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Exactly. That's he labeled that. Or beyond the point.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Yeah, I agree. But that it's just sad, but that is I don't even say it's a black culture thing. I think that's just culture with people period because they're so weird with homosexuality. But I think the first thing that happened with Raz B when he said it amongst the black community was, oh, Rasby's gay. It's like I don't think that's the point here.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

I don't think that's the point.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

I knew oh my gosh. Deflection. Deflection. Those were a few of my takeaways. Of course, I have a a bunch more, but this is already a deep and long. So when you were listening, because you listen to them all the time. So, and first let me just say that they're just great. I love it. I I love the back and forth, I love the information that they're given, how they're running it down. It's just I love the way it runs. So ultra expert. Like you told them, like you told group chat before, like if you guys are interested in just hearing it, just go and listen. And if you don't like it, you don't like it. If it's not for you, that's fine. Um, but what on you just having them ruin your childhood first before you came in over here and started ruining ours? How was how was that experience of having them ruin your childhood?

SPEAKER_01 38:55

I mean, for me, there have been so many episodes that are sadly enough that are that is light walk compared to some of their other episodes. There's way darker than I've done.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Oh no. Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Like some of the episodes, like the Chris Stokes one, where they're just so good and so well put together, I listened to multiple times. There are some that there's I can think of two off the top of my head that there's so much information. I would love to listen to them again, but I just can't. It's just too dark, too much sadness and and evil. I just I can't bear to listen to again, but I would like to because it's just so much information.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

So Okay, give me one off subject, real quick. Give me one.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Remuda Triangle episode about the child sex ring of all the kids that.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Okay, bye. Oh, okay, bye. Um, okay, next. Back on subject. Oh, you you just really, you really know how to just like get you're just a tablet. Next, I did, I did, I did. I regret it. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

And the yachting episodes really don't. Um but my my biggest takeaways, well, my first one is, and I don't know why this didn't naturally come to me. It's just about how hard he worked all his acts, even like how quickly they're album, the way he was so like controlling. I don't know why. I guess because again, I'm thinking they're related. I it's more like it's you know, even the Jacksons worked their asses also. I don't know why I didn't clock it, but they never gave that also. Like, you know what I mean? B2K just gave very effortlessly cool, and that they just effortlessly could dance, and they danced like that. We were all related, so we're all naturally cool, so we don't have to build a bond. They all could love to sing their songs, weren't hard songs to sing, so it just it just seemed so effortless that you didn't realize how much and then you didn't have as much access to celebrities as you do now. So you were always popping up, but you didn't realize how that they were doing so many interviews and like they got no breaks at all, which I didn't realize just how it just looked so fun, like they were just relatives having a good time being rich, making songs, making money. You didn't realize how hard they worked. Um I didn't realize how weird his relationship with Marcus Houston was, and we'll talk about this more, but I think when you talk about the the houses, and when I'm sure people are listening, like who the hell would just send their kid off to this random man, right? To go. We all know that if you think if if some people think that their kid is gonna make it and their kid is gonna have a chance to have a record of it, yeah, you will. I'm I wouldn't, you wouldn't, most of us say we wouldn't, but it's happened so many times. I would argue one top star that you think of has been in this position, or at the very at in that same position at worst, at best, there have been times where they have been working as kids and their parents were not there. That's just what it is. Brittany Spears, there were times where her mom and dad were not around, and Felicia, her assistant, who thank God she was decent, was the only one around her. Justin Bieber, I think his her mom, his mom, her mom, his mom either I think gave either Diddy or Usher like temporary custody of him. He was living and being taken care of by Usher and eventually was being living and being taken care of by Diddy. This is very much a thing, and I think that for Chris Stokes to get away with it, he leaned on these are my family members. So if I'm saying tequila, I'm me and Mark Andrew, we have this rate system going. I'm breeding him into being the next great soccer athlete. We're going to two-a-day practice, we're going to the gym. I've got a nutritionist here. Your son is also a really great soccer athlete. Let him come stay with us, let him get on our program. He'll make it too. People are like, okay, well, it's her and her son, sure. So I think he used Marcus Houston as his relative or his cousin or whatever the fuck you pretended to call him. And so, and then other kids came, and then he had other quote unquote cousins and nieces and nephews. So if you were not actually related, you probably saw a house full of kids he was related to. You probably saw a house of kids who their parents gave custody of them to him. So maybe that made you feel like you could trust him. And I just went perspective about Marcus Houston kind of being a Trojan horse. So it just felt comfortable to stay with him, blew my mind. But then after all that, say that all that to say what really blew my mind the most is half of them are actually not fucking related. And times you were made to believe. And if you're listening to this, tell me I'm Crazy. We always were told Omarion and Marcus Houston were brothers.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Brothers.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Not brothers. They looked the same. They look alike. And Marcus Houston was his older brother. Because there was even a time where the reason why the band got together is because they like discovered that Omarion can sing at Marcus Houston's party or something. It was, I've always thought. I will tell you this. Up until the episode, I thought Marcus Houston and Omarion were brothers. And when Troy said they weren't, I had to pause because I was yelling so much. I did not know until I heard it on the episode. You knew that before? Yeah, no, I did.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

You knew how that's so crazy. They never said that. Because I just w because because I won, I think I wound up Googling it like a long time ago. I wound up Googling it. It just like, you know, me and Sheldon always get in, me and my me and my husband always get into these debates, and we're like, oh, we're the Google.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

And then so we Google it and was he debating that they weren't related?

SPEAKER_00 45:07

Probably. He was, yeah, he probably because he likes all that. Because he likes all that. He'd be going down rabbit holes like you.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

I don't know. I call bullshit. I believe everybody knows your brothers. No, the people knew that they weren't. Nobody, anyone I've you are the first person I've ever seen. Oh, actually. Okay. Oh, I'm the lead to bet my life on it. No. Because you are the That's not right. That what? That people that that's the only No. Yeah. Other people know.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

No. Other people know.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

Everybody, it was not common knowledge that they were not brothers.

SPEAKER_00 45:49

I want to do a um Who Wants to be a Millionaire phone a friend. I I'm gonna call somebody really.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Everybody knew that Marcus Houston and Omar were not really brothers.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

I feel like group chat, I wish this was live. Hold on, I'm gonna ask. I'm I'm gonna do a live phone your friend. We're about to do a live phone your friend. Who you calling? Your husband? No, I'm gonna call my cousin.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

Okay. Ask her does she think Marcus Houston and Omar were brothers? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

She better be up. She come on, girl. You up and out. Girl, don't be asleep. Not yet. It's Thursday. Telephone number. Oh, don't let me leave the number.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Okay. I I am willing to die off the hill that we all thought that they were brothers in real life.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Are you for real?

SPEAKER_01 46:44

You never thought they were brothers.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Why did we actually this is so crazy because when we talked about talking about this episode, how did this not come up?

SPEAKER_01 46:52

You never thought they were brothers?

SPEAKER_00 46:53

No, not not that I never, but I knew. Come on. Come on. No. That's not what I was saying. No, that's what I was saying. I was saying before you said before you watched the episode, you knew that's when you find out.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

So, okay, how old were you when you realized they were not related?

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Oh, I I was in like my 20s. This is my point. Like my late, yeah, that's what I'm saying, my late 20s. Yeah, no, that's what I was I was asking about when you just found out. That's it. You say that never ever.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

But I would I would again, I would argue that most people went most of their life not knowing that we were not brothers.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

Yeah, no. Yeah, you went once at least a couple of decades. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:38

That's my point. Obviously, you get when when when they were no longer a thing, I wasn't really clocking B2K's uh movements because I didn't I wasn't a fan of Amari like that. I really I certainly wasn't a fan of immature, but I would argue most people did not know that they were not brothers until their 20s or 30s. And the Beyond the Blind came out a few years ago. It's not like I'd have just listened to it when I sent it to you. But when I sent it to you, it was already a few years old, is what I'm saying. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, no, I didn't know it until I listened. When you listen to the episode, you listen to the up to day. I listened to this years ago. But I didn't know it until that episode came out. I don't give a fuck what you say. No common knowledge. That was not common. It blew my mind. I did that Razby and Little Fizz are not actually cousins. I think that's crazy.

unknown 48:32

Yeah, I think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

That is crazy. The only, in fact, the only ones that are actually related are Chris Stokes and Raspbi. They're like second cousins, which I did not know. Did you let me guess? You knew that too.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

You Googled that on one of your Okay, don't get smart smarty parties. I didn't know nothing about them. It was a random fact that I found out that was not actual fact. It was untrue. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, I happened to find out before you. Oh my gosh. Leave me alone. But no, I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 49:12

I think they're lying anyway. Marcus Houston and Jay Boog were cousins. I feel like if you would have seen the other relations, though, wouldn't you have not?

SPEAKER_00 49:21

That's I'm not, I don't remember. It was years ago. I just know I just found out that they weren't actual brothers. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

Did you see that Marcus Houston and Jay Boog were cousins?

SPEAKER_00 49:33

I don't know. I don't remember all of that. You're not about the third degree me. You are not about the third degree me on here. No way. Okay, so who else was really related? Okay, we got Mila Jay and Janae Aiko. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

No, no, well, yeah, J Mila Mila Jay and Janae Aiko are sisters. Um, J Bug and Marcus Houston are cousins. And Rasby and Chris Stokes are cousins. Those are the only ones that are actually related to each other. Oh, Marion is not related to anybody in this group.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

And they don't connect in any way. It's like this group, that group, and then this group. Like he tried to entangle and mangle and makeshift sister cousin, brother friend.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

I I thought that was such a weird thing to do because that's also something that boy bands never dabbled in. And I think that he knows that for black people, we probably feel about like cousins and play cousins and stuff. I think that he knew that was a very easy way to connect immature to B2K because immature was already beloved, and that was an easy way to make them seem more endearing to us because they were I think he knows for whatever reason how much black people love a family band.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

As awful as he was, he was very smart. Very smart.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

A tactic. And the last thing was is how chronically online he is, and how much he is very focused on hiding all this information.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Yeah, that is insane.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

Like he goes out of his way for people to not talk about it, to not bring it up. He gets videos deleted, he gets content banned, he gets, I mean, he gets articles scrubbed from the internet, interviews scrubbed. He really puts in the work and the systems seem to support it, where he he sends cease and desist out the yin yang. That's why we have to keep saying alleged. Um, yeah, because he he does not play with this shit coming out at all.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

I think that's why that's how you sort of figure out like even if you don't hear, like, I haven't heard his name in like years, years and years. But it's just like when you go to look for this information and see how much is missing, like you'd be like, oh, well, he obviously is still, you know, legitimate in some type of way to be able to keep this going and to keep getting stuff removed from the internet. Like, he's gotta have some kind of pull, and then you find out how he's so connected and why he can do what he's been doing.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

I think a lot of people probably don't know when we talk about why he's able to have the impact that he has to scrub these stories and redirect people to other more positive versions of him in his history because of his professional career. He's not as big as like obviously a Diddy or you know, other huge music producers. So people may not know what a big deal he was and still is in Hollywood. Akila probably does because she's a pop-up. I'm just gonna you know, okay, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 52:50

I'm being a dick, I'm being a dick. I'm just you guys, you know it. She's never gonna like me. I'm being a dick.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

But no. So his first group was immature, and what people need to know about immature is that like they're not your typical boy band, they were nine-year-olds when they started, right? They were literal children. He founded this band in 1990. Immature was originally lead singer Marquise Batman Houston, Jerome Romeo Jones, and Don Halfpite Santos. Now, the first thing I need y'all to remember, and when I give you the listening thing to remember, is just remember Don Halfpite Santos. Don Halfpite Santos abruptly leaves the band. The official reason why Don Halfpite Santos leaves is because the parents felt like he was missing too much school and he wasn't spending enough time with family.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

So they had him leave reasonable concerns.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

He was replaced by um Kelton LDD Keesy. So the band officially is Batman, Romeo, and LDB. They go on to um have guest cameo appearances in House Party. Marquise Houston um was in Sister Sister as Roger. He was one of the voices in Bay Bay's kids. They had Golden Platinum selling singles. They, you know, he started this band and they did really well. In 1990, he discovered Brandy Norwood at the age of 11. She was signed with Teaspoon Productions, which he was the head of, and he helped facilitate her solo demo, and he had her doing the backing vocals for Immature. Um, and he was ultimately the one that helped launch her career and helped her get a record wall. He also uh wrote and directed House Party 4, and he wrote and directed You Got Surge. Some of the other acts on top of B2K and um Immature that he was responsible for breaking was Jedi Jennaiko, who we all know, um her sister Mila J, who's not as famous, but she was signed and released music under him as well. Sebastian, um, Kevin McHale, he's the is it Artie? Artie from Bleak.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

Um, he also gave Drea Michelle and Carucci their first big movie roles. And in fact, when she was in that Claus show with Nisi Nash, they brought him up as being the one to kind of give her her first shot in serious acting. And, you know, when she obviously did really well, and I think Claus even got nominated and won an Emmy. He talked about how, you know, he saw her potential and thought she'd be a great actress, and saying how, you know, he knew her growing up in LA for so long, and she he always knew that she would make it and she would be a star. So he always had his hands on and was around a lot of these young black artists, specifically the ones who grew up in that Hollywood, LA area.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

Chris Stokes in 2002 was VP of AM Interscope Records, um, and one of Ebony's 2000s and 2003 Bachelor of the Year. I did not know that. And why?

SPEAKER_01 56:14

He said, let's list every single man that may have a check that's black. Put every single one of them on there. Like, really?

SPEAKER_00 56:22

His film, We Belong Together, actually launched BET's Network's original movie franchise. Chris Stokes helped, or it basically he was responsible for launching B um BET Network's original movie franchise by pri by premiering and simultaneous simultaneously on B.E.T. and B.E.T. Herb, produced by Chris Stokes Footage Films Production Company. So he's helping BET out, and then he's also you know putting out his own films production company at the same time. I mean, like I said, as awful as he is, he is just as smart. What I didn't know is that Chris Stokes had a clothing line, his line was in 2007, it was called the Christopher Bryan Collection. That check this, y'all. Kim Kardashian was the spokesmodel for like at the time. Oh, all things circle back to circle back to yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:33

So one of the interviews that I found really interesting, because we we've talked about his career, he kind of tries to scrub the fact that he worked in music. His priority and focus now is moving. So when he talks about kind of like his philosophy around his career and his him building his movie empire, there was an interview that I found that I feel like as we transition to again what his the career that he built to the allegations. I found this interview to be such a creepy but perfect transition. So they he was at the Hollywood star ceremony for New Edition. So New Edition was getting like a star on the Walk of Fame, and he was there being a creep, no, and they interviewed him allegedly director. Well, no, that's my opinion. He's a creep. I don't have to say alleged, he's a creep. I can say he's a creep for how he does his hair. Like I think that's creepy. His little jelly hair, I don't like it. Um, director Chris Stokes joins the cause for change in the television and film industry when it comes to hiring minorities. The you got served box office hit director created the Chris Stokes movie training workshop experience in Hollywood. Stokes hopes to give opportunities to minorities that desire to be in the film television industry, but don't have the resources to do so. So Chris Stokes says this was his thought process behind launching his new training workshop. So again, he's created now a just like his creepy talent houses, he's now creating a training workshop for young actors and young um individuals who want to be a part of the film and TV industry. He says, in a field that is predominantly non-minority driven, the Chris Stokes movie training workshop hopes to help change the face of Hollywood. There are so many talented actors, directors, producers, etc., in Hollywood that are minorities and looking for a chance to show their talent. So the interviewer asks the interviewer asks him how would one start the process? He says, Well, my company, the Chris Stokes movie training workshop, which by the way, I looked it up as no longer existent and no longer taking applications. Thank God.

SPEAKER_00 59:51

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Will select applicants to be involved in the film and television show that Chris Stokes production company Footage Films will be producing. This way, I will this is him talking. This way, I will personally have a hand to sting that people enrolling have their dream and plans come to fruition. With everything being centered around the shows that we are already handling, a hand in producing keeps me in the forefront of pushing and grooming actors, directors, producers, and anyone interested in going to the next level in pursuit of their dreams. I think grooming is such a strange word for a person to use in an interview. I've never casually used grooming in a sentence, but that's literally what he's doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

But that's what he likes to do. He's yeah, he's hands-on. That's in his mind, in every little creepy, and all the regular and then all the creepy ways all in once, he is grooming people. He has little hands, doesn't he? Doesn't he?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:55

And I feel like, you know, what's so sad about people like him in these positions, they know the power that they have by a being the minority that made it. So other people who are the marginalized people in this in this niche industry are of course gonna look to you, trust you, and turn to you, not only for advice, but for the opportunity to get in. And then they're gonna you're gonna say to them, you know, hey, you wanna make it? I don't know. Steven Spielberg's not gonna give you a shot. Martin Scorsese's not gonna give you a shot, but I personally want to help people who look like me, who look like you, and make sure you're putting you in leading roles, top charts, songs, more indebted to him because here he is reaching back to, you know, the minority community or the black community, thinking that, you know, he's he's he's your shot into getting into an industry that's already hard and double hard for people that you know aren't white. And he is then going to say, I want to personally make sure that I am responsible for if your dreams come true or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

Can you that is crazy?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:08

That is he's telling you exactly what he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

Yeah, no, straight up. And these people are signing up for it. These people are signing up for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:18

Oh, now that we know why Chris Stokes is even relevant and able to have the influence that he does to begin with, let's talk about how he manages the acts that he that are under his label or that control.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

Allegedly, the OG member of Immature leaves, and that's Don Halfpite Santos, and it's due to um his overmanagement style and his controlling behaviors and schedule. And like Ashley said earlier, his parents were like, Okay, no, you're working too hard, not he was probably not able to come home. They just weren't having it. You have these kids in the house, and you have this one manager over them. He determines everything, so he controlled every aspect of these boys' day-to-day activities. What friends they could invite over, who they could talk to, when they were allowed to eat. I even saw a like a snippet. It was like a recording of an interview that I only saw Raspby, J Bug, and I think Little Fizz was sitting off to the side. It was a short clip and it was cropped. And J Bug was talking about, and now this had to be in the 2000s too, just thinking about where it was. This wasn't when he was older, this is when they're actually in the band. And he was talking about how when he would call his parents that they would be all like upset and be like, Okay, when you were coming home, I thought you were gonna come home for the holidays, because Chris was setting it up to make sure that they didn't get home. Oh, we're you got a show here.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Promote they can't come home for Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

Exactly. And so Jay Boog made a comment and he was like, you know, we would he would have conversations with us before we would talk to our parents, and they would literally be saying the things that he already said that they would say, and so we would have in their minds, oh, they're just upset, they're just jealous, they don't understand, and so we would reject them and hang up on them and then not talk to our parents for you know for a while. So he's controlling their day-to-days, like I said, the friends they invite over, who they talk to, when they're allowed to eat. One time the boys were hungry after a long day of filming and decided to sneak out and get some fast food. If you're living all in a house together, first of all, he seems very saddy. Where's the chef? Where's the chef? Why, when we come home from filming, there isn't a food waiting for us. Like, that's so crazy that he just like what kind of tactics is that not to feed somebody? I just I don't understand why that would. I don't understand why how starving somebody is helping you be successful, but okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

I think it helps him have more control.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

Yeah, and it has to only be a control thing because otherwise it makes no sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:15

They're hungry, they're a little tired, they're a little frazzled. I think that's kind of like a thing that's done historically.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:23

It's like having to drag them, drug them without drugging them, they're lethargic, easily manipulated and also like not fully in their right mind and a little bit more. That is the sickest shit. That's crazy. Allegedly, Stokes said something along the line. They were between a scene and he said something. I guess someone expressed that they were hungry. This man says, We all eat together, and that's your ass if you don't. Could you imagine? But could you imagine being hungry? You've worked all day. You you the fact that you have to ask for food, and you they're probably at this point, this is how he runs his ship, like I said. So they're probably uncomfortable even asking him in the first place, and then that's what comes out your mouth. And then a couple days later, where you can see an assistant handing each other boys candy bars to keep in their pockets. She's just don't learn how to sneak them a little because the blood sugar kind of low. That's probably exactly what they needed. It was a candy dam bar.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

So again, his management style is to overwork you. His management style is to control you, to control your every move, all your habits. And then the easiest way to do that is to keep you near him. So he had these houses. It was essentially like a compound, the way that they make it seem. But I imagine maybe where like a suburb community. It's like the very end of the neighborhood where there's like, you know, no way out. It's a curved road. And he has like all the houses and pads.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

The crazy yellow.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

And he had the the houses like divided by personality type. Now, people like him are very manipulative. So it's not like, oh, I'm gonna put my strong dancers with my weak dancers. I'm gonna put my, you know, leaders into the class. I feel like it's one of those things where like, who can I get to can like the the kids who are a little too defiant, I'm gonna put them in a space where it's easier to break them. Or maybe the kids who are a little shyer, I'm gonna put them with the kids that's gonna make them speak. To me, if when they say that he separated people in the house by personality, not even by bands, but by personality, isn't that crazy? That comes to my mind. And then he also says who he thought would get along best. Bullshit. Because it's not about who gets along best. We're in the same group. We need to all be in the same house with the same group.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:53

We need to be able to live together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:55

In a group with Mila J. Why am I in a house with Mila J? So I I called bullshit on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

Why are the boys in the house with girls?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

Yeah, I think he did it to it, is it made it easier for him to manipulate? I've seen pictures of some of the situations in the house where like you see Jenny Aiko is like a six-year-old girl sitting on the couch. It just seemed like a bunch of children with no supervision just hanging out. Nobody's going to goddamn school, no one's going to extravagar activities, a bunch of kids just sitting around his house that he has full control over. And the whole thing is he as controlling, as sick as he is, his big thing with this family shit is I'm the father figure. He likes to be the father figure. So all these what's weird is like, okay, Marcus Houston, right? The father figure for Marcus Houston not actually related to, but Marcus Houston, Marcus Houston's mother was actually sick and dying of cancer. And Marcus Houston's mother gave Chris Stokes custody of Marc of Marcus Houston. Marcus Houston and Chris Stokes were so close that he had his name on some of the talent houses that Chris owned. He was like, he he had his name on the deed, is how close he was. Same thing with Razby. Razby, who again, that's his actual cousin, his mom was an addict. He would literally whine and dine. I think he whined and dined the mom, took her out for the day, got her hair done, got her a hotel room. At the end of the day, it was like, and by the way, you know, you're not in your best place, you're not healthy. Go ahead and give me custody of your two sons. Because Rasmi has a brother. Give me custody of your two sons. That's just the way he moved. And that's what all predators do. I mean, yeah. They see kids who are either coming from a home of uh out of poverty, they see, you know, dad's not around, or you know, dad's struggling financially, mom struggling financially, mom's an addict, mom who's dying of freaking cancer. Any way he can weasel his way in and get these parents, because it's not just single moms, you know what I mean? It's any way I can weasel a way into these poor gonna people who see their kids' talent as a meal ticket and opportunity for better or for worse. And trust me with your kid, I'll be the father that they're not gonna have at home with you, or I'll be the father that, you know, when you're when they're gone, they'll be safe. That was his that was the main, I think, foundation of the way that he managed.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:32

Yeah. You know, I think that's why it didn't happen that it didn't work with Half Pint. His parents are like, nah, we good over here.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:39

Like, I can't No, I have another theory about Half Pint. We'll get into that later. I have that's why Half Pine is like that. I have another theory about that. But even Omarion, he knew Omarion since he was like five years old. And like I said before, I don't know if he was already dating the aunt because he eventually married quote unquote aunt in quotes. We'll see that later. But I think that again his whole thing was we're a family, we're close, we're tight knit. And once I get you into this house, once I become your daddy, you are I am fully in charge of your life. What you eat, what you do, where you sleep, where you go, how you move, how you move. Now that we've understand why he has the position of power he does, the way that he's able to manage and ultimately manipulate this axe lets them move into the meat and we're not even in like the meat and potato allegations. So in 2004, he abruptly announces their breakouts. If you guys remember the beginning of the beginning of the episode, in 2004 is when Bump Bump Bump is the number one single, Pandemonium is a platinum selling album, and you got served is like a hundred and fifty-seven million dollar girls. It'll be two thousand and four is B2K's best year. How the fuck are they breaking up abruptly? According to this jokes, B2K just stands at the height of their fame because according to him, there was alleged fighting within the group. That's his answer. Now, mind you, he is in control of these kids and they're all related. They've known each other since they were little boys. They're finally at the peak of their career. You mean to tell me they all now want to separate because of fighting?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:30

Nah, he was the fifth member and he was the one causing the If he was.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:34

Do you think he wouldn't have been like, I don't give a fuck if y'all are fighting? I have 87 talent houses. You go stay here, you go stay there, you go stay there, and then we have work to do on Monday. Like, I I call bullshit. So in 2004, Rasby 2K breaks up. Nothing's going on, dead silence. In 2007, Razby drops the first viral video. Razby comes out with the allegations, video drops, allegations from Raspbi come out. Rasby says that he came out with the allegations at this time in 2007 because Ricardo, his brother, who was also briefly signed, he was also signed to a boy band, his Rasby's brother Ricardo, but the boy band never went anywhere. Rasby says he finally shares with his brother the abuse that he went through, and that his brother got so upset when he heard about the alleged molestation that Rasby thinks that his older brother might be suicidal or do something drastic.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:32

Some of the quotes that he says in the video, it all started with Chris Stokes. Rasby says, It started one day when Chris was like, Let me touch you. I can't speak for nobody, but if you want my personal opinion, I think he did touch all of the other members. Rasby claims the molestation began when he was 11 or 12 years old when Ricardo was in another Stokes managed group before Marcus Houston got involved with the TUG management team. So that's telling you it go way back. Um, Ricardo Thornton is seen blaming himself, blaming himself for not saving his younger brother from the alleged advances, saying, Chris, that being Chris Stokes, made me take showers with the other boys. All that little shit that my brother was introduced to, that shit was brought to me first. I blocked that shit. I wasn't with it. I backed off. I kind of knew what was going on over there, and yet I took my brother over to Chris. I didn't protect him like I should have. Stokes molested my brother, and he molested me. When I say that hurts, it hurts.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

So Clark wouldn't he said Rasby's brother was in a boy band or was joining a boy band before immature even existed. I want you to remember that. I want you to remember the kid that left the band, and remember Raspby's older brother was also in a band that never went anywhere before immature. Just hold on to that information for later. So Rasby and his brother, they later provided what they claim is, and this was the tape to me that I don't at the time I feel like it wasn't as big of a bombshell as it was to me when I revisited the timeline and I read it. What did you think, Kilo, when when all this came out? What was your thoughts to all? What was what was your thoughts on all the allegations?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:36

So when it initially came out, I I don't think I paid attention to it because I was not like I think it was released on World Star, right? I saw it was on World Star, but it was like a couple years later. It wasn't even.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

Oh, I saw it on media takeout and boss up. That's where I saw it.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:58

Oh my when I tell you you by saying the word boss-up just gave me a whole flash. Oh my gosh. I think because of what was the whole like atmosphere around it, it was like because he was so like manic and just like it just seemed like really all over the place. And of course, it's emotional. What he's talking about being abused. Like, we're not gonna be like, okay, let me set my camera up, let me sit in front of you guys and be like, okay, on this day, I want to confess, like, no, it's gonna be erratic. It was emotionally driven for him to even make that video in the first place. But the whole conversation around it was how he was crazy, he was probably on drugs, there was something on with going on with him mentally.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

That can be true. He could have had things going on mentally, he could be on drugs, but that doesn't mean that something happened happened to him.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

And I think, and see, and I think that's how the media spun it, like there wasn't a it couldn't be two things, it was either one or the other. They wouldn't allow you to think like, no, this these both of these can live in the same space. So I didn't really pay that much attention. I'm like, if so, I'm like, uh. And it was just like, well, dang, that's kind of messed up if that's real, but I don't think I gave that much energy to it until I was an adult and like really was like, yo, this is some jacked up stuff. So I yeah, it wasn't it, I didn't, it wasn't a blow like that in the beginning when I first found out about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:30

So to me, I remember the initial video, but I don't know why if I just didn't make it through the whole video, because I don't remember this quote unquote confession that they allegedly got from Chris.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:43

I don't either.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:44

They the the brothers provide what they claim is a confession from Soaps, in which a man identified as the manager says, I don't do that anymore. That was me years ago. I just don't do that in my life anymore. In a heated exchange with the man identified as Stokes, Ricardo is seen complaining about being escorted out of an event recently thrown by Stokes and feeling like he and his mother were disrespected at the party. Near the end of the video, the man identified as Stokes appears to offer to meet with Ricardo to talk things over, but Ricardo seems unimpressed and repeats the allegations. Cliff ends with the word why in a question mark across the screen. So what happened was I guess there was some party or some industry event that Chris Stokes was um hosting. Ricardo, Razby, I guess, and the mom showed up. And I don't know if I guess they kicked them out. And because remember, Ricardo and Raz B, their mom is related. Their family, that's their family.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:54

But I I don't know if they were causing a scene in the party or if things were brought up or but he put them out. He put them out of a party, including the mom. And the boys felt like, and I feel that they, can I be honest, they brought their mom to like be like, oh, you can't throw our mom out. Like they knew that in there, but like it's like you know, your aunt, like, but you you're not gonna throw auntie out. Like, actually, the fuck I am.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:18

Yes, I will.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:19

I think they were they either were causing a scene or just their presence alone was a problem because of what was going on, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:27

And somebody could have said something crazy to him, and Ricardo started popping off.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:31

So he was outside because again, they're blood relatives, they're outside talking about being thrown out of the party. And what doesn't make sense to me, just as from the outside looking in, this confession, quote unquote, Chris Stokes says it wasn't him confessing about the molestation. When he says, I that was me, I don't do that anymore. That was me years ago. I just don't do that in my life anymore. He says he was referring to he wasn't gonna give them any more money. Like he wasn't gonna, he apparently after B2K broke up in 2004, that entire time, he was, you know, giving money to Rasby and Ricardo. And so he was saying that he wasn't doing that anymore. That makes no sense to me. It doesn't make any sense. That that sentence doesn't align with that kind of choice. To say I don't do that anymore, that was me years ago. To say I don't do that, that was me years ago giving money. That that just isn't that to me, it sounds like I was that person. Maybe I was being inappropriate, but I don't live that. Because he also said, like, I've got kids and I'm married now. Yeah, some people can infer, like, listen, maybe he was giving you guys money, but now that he's got kids and a wife, he can't. But I just don't see that being a natural response to being like, that was me years ago, I don't do that anymore. Like, maybe he's trying to say, Yeah, back in the day I may have helped y'all, but I'm not doing that anymore. But just you can you again.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:01

Let me tell you something.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:04

I don't infer it that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:05

Most of the time when people say, I don't do that no more, I got kids and a wife. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:12

It's normal. It's to say I don't do that anymore, that was me years ago. To say I don't do that, that was me years ago giving money. That that just isn't that to me, it sounds like I was that person. Maybe I was being inappropriate, but I don't live that. Because he also said, like, I've got kids and I'm married now.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:35

Maybe some people can infer, like, listen, maybe he was giving you guys money, but now that he's got kids and a wife, he can't. But I just don't see that being a natural response to being like, that was me years ago. I don't do that anymore. Like, maybe he's trying to say, Yeah, back in the day I may have helped y'all, but I'm not doing that anymore. But just you can you again.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:53

Let me tell you something.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:55

I don't infer it that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:57

Most of the time when people say, I don't do that no more, I got kids and a wife. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:03

It's giving sexual sexual.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:06

It's it's it's giving sexual, just straight up.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:10

Chris Stokes, through his representative, said the video was taken out of context and that he was referring to no longer financially supporting um the brothers. Um, and then Amarion in 2007, after Rasby released these um videos, he went on record saying, I want to be on the record saying, as saying that Rasby Thornton and Ricardo Thornton are lying regarding the stokes. This is Omarion's official statement. Omarion said, Chris is a father figure to myself and many others in the industry. He's guided us, helped raise us, and it's nothing more than an inspiration and someone I respect and look up to. I have spent countless hours, days, weeks, and months with this man since the age of five, and have never once seen him behave inappropriately. He's married to my aunt, and I know this man very well. I stand behind him with no questions whatsoever. I have grown up around Chris, and this is crazy to me. These people, Ricardo and Razby, have damaged me and my reputation. I won't stand silent and will do all within my means to speak the truth about this matter. So I feel like I can't be that crazy because some things, just by Omarion's statement, has aligned. He plays the father figure. He plays this role of I've raised all these kids through Hollywood, and he gets this undying loyalty by playing this father figure role to these kids. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:51

No, that is straight up his MO. So and I think Omarion is was still very young. I mean, doing this. Yeah, he acting like he's like some grown man coming to stand up for another grown man. No, he's still he's still kind of young. Like you can consider him grown, but how? How grown is he? Because, like he said, I want to go on record saying and show 2000. Go ahead, baby. I'm sorry. No, I was just saying that this is his his grooming. His grooming is paying off. That's what this, that's what this is.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:28

And so, okay, remember, you're remembering the named Halfpipe, Santos, you're remembering Ricardo, his group that went nowhere before immature. And now I need you to remember in the timeline of these allegations in 2008, there is a really intense video that gets released. Raspbi talking to another former artist of Chris Stopes, and there is a vibe article that comes out. Just remember that. Half Pine Tantos, Rasby's older brothers defunct group, and a vibe interview and a YouTube video that goes viral in 2008. Fast forward to 2010, Raspbee starts making allegations again and posting even more videos calling Marcus Houston now and Chris Stopes a pedophile. And there's a phone call between him and another artist of Chris Stopes. You wanna read these?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:33

Okay, so then we have Marcus Houston gets a restraining order against Rasby, and Ricky gets a restraining order against everyone. So you see, brother. Oh, did I put oh you did oh yeah. So now we have Marcus Houston is getting a restraining order against Rasby. He's made all these allegations, he's including him in it now. It's not just about Chris Stokes anymore. Marcus Houston is also now a perpetrator.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:04

And we're gonna talk about how Marcus Houston gets. I know it sounds convoluted and chaotic, but if you don't know, we're gonna talk later on about why Marcus Houston gets dragged into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

Oh and then so Razby's brother, Ricardo, he also gets a restraining order against everyone. He said, Oh, okay, so we're playing that game. Well, don't none of y'all don't know that he's pay less. Because you think about it, we we we talked about it in the beginning about how he's getting stuff scrubbed off the internet. You think he's not making phone calls? Like please. You think you think he may not may or not show up if he absolutely not. Ricardo said no, thank you. So then Rasby makes more allegations, stating that J Bug and Little Fizz were also molested. Which I have to say, sometimes I just think that you know, let somebody if you want to talk about what's going on with you, and I think you can say all the like the members we all experience, but like making someone be like, hey, this happened to them too, can that gets a little tricky. Um thank you. So then um we have Ray J. The all he always finds his way up into something. Ray J calls Raz B to have him clear his name from another video where he was mentioned. So he Ray J tells him in that in that call, he's like, Look, I got things going on. Stuff is moving for me, things are shaking. Um, I need you, I need you not to I need you not to include me. And so he also he goes on to mention like look, I spoke to Marcus, I asked him about what happened, he didn't deny the That it wasn't true. So you know, he's having this conversation, like, you know, so you know, maybe it's true. I know stuff was I know stuff was going on, like I get it, but just don't include me. And then, so then Rasby goes to China. So he's he gets out of America. I'm pretty sure he's had enough. That's in 2011, and he stays there for seven years. So seven years. Now, in 2012, he makes a video addressing a bunch of rumors about him and still says that Houston and Stokes molested him and that Stokes also molested immature. Chaos that is starting to surround them. Everyone's talking with whispering. Um, Chris is in the background scrubbing. B2K reunites in 2009 for the millennial tour. We have all this. People are getting restraining orders. Raspbi leaves the country. Um, there's more videos out where Rasby is still addressing and saying that Houston and Stokes molested him. But now, 2019, B2K is about to reunite for a millennial tour. So it's like, okay, how effective was what Raspbi was doing? However, three days in to the tour, Rasby says he's leaving. I'm done with the tour because he thinks Stokes is around and he doesn't feel safe. Now, some of these videos are also not the ones in allegation. He talks about not feeling safe. And he uses that word a lot. He says he doesn't feel safe a lot in some of these videos. Now, J Boog makes a video mocking Razby's video where he says he's leaving the tour and wears a shirt, says, I don't feel safe, which is that was just uncalled for. J Boog is the vice president of Crystal's production company, so maybe he felt obligated to show which side he stood on strongly. It just read all types of inappropriate. If you don't believe him or you don't want him to say anything, the best thing he could have done it was like be quiet. That was, I don't understand. Now, go back to Razby. Raz B is arrested during the tour for strangling his girlfriend, which doesn't help with the case because he's now he date people already think, oh, he's on drugs, he's erratic, he's manic. Now he's violent. He gets um he gets arrested, and the other members of B2K suspend him from the rest of the tour. So even if he wanted to change his mind, said I messed up, I made another, I made a bad choice. They said, No, you're good to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:36

He's clearly lashing out, and I feel like they took that again as him being manic and unreliable narrator, and it immediately like disqualifies Tim from ever telling the truth because he was losing his shit. I feel like allegedly, even people like Chris Brown, not making excuses for people because an abuser is an abuser, but a lot of these guys, when they're like this, where they're violent, they're emotional, they're crazy, it's their way of responding to some sort of abuse. They don't just turn this on. Because even if you want to say, you know what, he just was bitter because B2K breaks up, Omarion succeeds, and he his career goes nowhere. He's on the tour now. It's 2019, the tour is going to be the end. Why would he then turn around and lose his shit and be hitting his girl? Like clearly, he's still battling with something, something still is you know, causing him to it's haunting him and it's making him physically, mentally, and emotionally sick. And then after Razby leaves the tour, now Omarion comes out on an interview with Vlad TV in 2019, where he finally acknowledges that he believes something happened to Razby. So Vlad asked, and he says he, as in Razby, claims that he was molested by Chris Stoes. What's your take on that? So again, this is 2019. Omarion now says, I definitely think something happened to him. I don't know what happened to him, but I think something happened to him. Vlad says, between him and Chris, Omarion says, again, from going to he's my father figure, the greatest thing since sliced bread, he would never to. I don't know. I don't think it's for me to really say whether or not anything happened. I didn't see anything happen, so I don't know. I can't speak facts, so I don't know. But the way that he responds to certain things, something traumatic has definitely happened. So then they asked him, What was your relationship with Chris Stokes like? So remember, y'all, before he's the greatest thing since I'm friend, he's like a father to me, he's like a father to all these kids. He's married to my aunt, he's my family. Chris has done nothing wrong. So that in 29, that was he now they now asked him, so what's your relationship with Chris Stokes like? That's now present day. Another piece of the puzzle is he was married to my play auntie the whole fucking time. That's not even his real aunt. They play too much with this fake relative shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:12

Yeah, you think like when you told me that, I was like, oh, I was like, wait, that now that's something weird. So like I could see, because my thing is you usually say, like, somebody be like, oh, that's your aunt, but like, no, you know, she's just real close to the family, but I call her my auntie. Like, you, it's like a quick clarification. Clarification.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:29

When you're a kid, you say aunt, cousin, whatever, when they're not get to like a certain age, you'd be like, Well, yeah, like she's like my she's like my aunt, but like I call her aunt, but you you start to make a distinction. He was still on the that's my auntie, that my that's my auntie, up until who get to this three in 2019. So he says another piece of the puzzle, he was married to my play auntie, and I have nothing to say about him. A total 180. Now it's I don't even know that man, yeah. And I just so Vlad also asked him about his um Rasby's decision to leave the tour. So this is Vlad still talking to Amarion. So remember, before it was Rasby's not telling the truth, he's a liar, Chris Stokes is amazing, whatever. He now says what happened was after that, we were able to get him in a better place where he felt comfortable and we were able to finish tour dates. Basically, the last tour date that he was able to be on was in Minneapolis. I I can't say that word, Minneapolis. I don't remember what date that was. Let me just say this about Rasby because he's a very passionate person. He's obviously publicly and personally had to deal with some traumatic things. So he's acknowledging that this behavior isn't just because he's throwing a tantrum or that he's just out of money. Right. He's dealt with some traumatic things. Trauma might be different for you, but his heart and his effort has always been that. He's a good person. He don't know Chris, but he's now saying Raz is a good person. He always tries to do his best. He just has some things like we all have that he needs to work out. I believe he's working on that right now. Then until this is what Raz or Amari Answers says about Raz B. Then in 2021, Razby, now pay attention to this, guys. Razby does an in-depth interview with Jason Lee from Hollywood Unlocked that's supposed to be broadcast not on social media, not on boss super media takeout, not on YouTube, not world uh world star. It's gonna be on Fox. It's gonna be on Fox Hole. Like Fox Hole, but it's gonna be on a real legitimate established network. Jason Lee's interview with Rasby. He's willing to not lose his shit on a live, not make some crazy ass video of him sitting in, you know, in a car in the dark. He's doing a real formal, and you may not like Jason Lee, he may not be a real journalist, but he's doing a real interview on a major network subsidiary about the abuse. It was supposed to be broadcast on Fox Soul, and Chris Stokes sends a cease and desist. With the C to cease and desist, Fox Soul says, All right, we're not dealing with this shit then, and cancels the interview. Like the morning of the day of the release, like that morning. Rapaz B then, after finding out that his interview that was already recorded and was set to release that day isn't coming out, he then goes online and posts a video where he challenges Stokes in Houston to a polygraph test um the next day. Um, and they don't, of course, they don't fucking respond. But he basically says, like, I'm willing to go and take a live trick contest. Y'all take it, we I'll take it, and we'll see the results. And of course, that never happens. And then out of nowhere in 2023, Razby retracts all his statements. He he does another 180. And this Keely, you can you can read what Rasby posted for his retraction. It's really hard to read because it's really grammatically terrible, but it's you read along.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:21

I'm gonna read it like he wrote it, you guys. So just follow along. I'm a made man. Here goes truth, truth. Mature grown Demario after countless counseling. I was abused by Bro Brother and others. They all used and abused me like a rag doll. By the time my cousin took custody over me, I was a mess. He was not my enemy. I focused all my pain, frustration, and anger built up from my past and took it out on my cousin. And I never understood why. Maybe because B2K broke up and he was no longer in my life. Chris was never my pain. He was my protector, my peace, my friend. People like Steve and the terrible things in Cleveland. I told him about Ricky forcing me to do things. Those are things I should have dealt with. Like all the monsters in my life that actually did these things to me. Chris was never that guy. I made the world think he was. I remember why my cousin fought so hard to save me because I needed Chris. And then I attacked the only person who helped me. It's time let the world know the truth. Love you, my cuz. Chris, I pray you continue to be my peace and protector. I miss you. P.S. M H has always been my favorite artist, immature all day. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:54

Basically, he does not only a 180, but then he goes on to basically say now that his brother molested him. And when Chris Stopes took custody of him, because that's what he means when he says, My cuz, you know, took me or whatever, his that that saved him, and that all these other people did it, and it was everybody else but Chris Stopes, and actually MH Marcus Houston is his favorite artist. And I think once it got to that point, that's when people were really like, all right, we're tapped out. You're a liar, you need help, you're crazy. But what's really sad is for him to accuse his brother. So his brother was like, you know, me and my brother talk every day. This is the one day where I my brother doesn't call me, we haven't talked, and I can't get in touch with him. I've never heard him talk like this. I've never heard him switch up. He's never told me something different. And the one day that he goes public and does is the one day that he won't talk to me. And we have a conversation. And basically, his brother was like, he feels as if Chris Stokes got to him and either put him back on payroll, threatened him, whatever it may be, and is trying to turn him against me. Um, and yeah, I'm not, I I know what happened. I'm not switching up on it. Raz can choose to recamp, but I won't. But unfortunately, once this was like the new approach that Ravi was taking, I think it just completely illegitimized all the years. It just it confirmed to people's minds that like CM told her he was crazy this whole time.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:31

Yeah, and so, but as I'm reading it also, like if this is supposed to be such a solid retraction, why don't you just straight up say he did not abuse me, he did not molest me? Because when you are making the claims, you use those words, you use very graphic language, and for the retraction to be so vague, like he's not that guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:56

It just and I mean I'm not a therapist, I don't pretend to know all the behaviors of an abused person. Yeah, just the math to me is it math ain't and let's say, and and then so fast forward 2023, he puts out that statement, and then fast forward to 2026, B2K has a tour. So it just it just uh people argue that you know the tour will not have happened if Razby didn't um put that retraction that's saying that none of that ever happened. But Chris wasn't real involved in this tour. But apparently some are saying that the guys would not have all signed off if Rasby did not stop talking about them getting molested and saying that that that didn't happen to them. So who who knows? But for me, I think the most pivotal part of this story and what I excited is not the right word, but oh no, it's not I need people who need to hear the story of a young man that predated almost all of them. His story to me, if you if any of you let's say you questioned Raspbi's validity, this young man's story, regardless of what did or didn't happen to Rasby, there's no question to me that the allegations against Chris Stokes have some validity to him based on this young man's story.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:22

Yeah, Marcus Houston.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:24

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