TTCBT RYC: The Quindon Tarver Story (Ep.1 part 2)

This is Part 2 of TTCBT Ruins Your Child: Y2K Creeper.

We saved this part for last. Because some stories deserve to be the ones you leave with.

In the middle of the Chris Stokes conversation, there is a name that deserves more than a footnote. A boy who had one of the most extraordinary voices the Black music community has ever heard. A young man who spoke up about what happened to him — publicly, painfully, and at great personal cost. And a life that was cut far too short.

This part of the conversation is dedicated to him. Not just the tragedy. Not just the allegations. But the talent, the beauty, and the very real human being behind the story. Because Quindon Tarver was more than what was done to him — and if you don't know his name, you should.

Two Things Can Be True: he was one of the most gifted voices of his generation. And the industry failed him completely.

This one's for Quindon Tarver. Get in the group chat.

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All right, ladies and gentlemen of the group chat, if you made it to part two, uh, whether you had to take a shower or not before you're so you're a trooper, and we love you. I wish I could say this next part is gonna be lighter or even the same. No, actually, it's gonna be darker. Yeah, we're gonna re-traumatize, traumatize you even more. Okay. Now, Keila, had you heard of Quindon Tarver? I didn't really know him by his name. I knew his voice because like I liked Immature and IMX. He was in a couple other videos. I've his one of his only videos that he has as a kid, because there's not many, I don't remember what he was singing, but he has a very unique voice for a child and for a young boy. It's very beautiful, it's angelic. Like, I think I just was too young to know immature like that. And the clips that I watched of him performing, or there was a one show where he was singing to some lady who was a host. It looked it looked like a very old version of 106 in Park. I don't remember who she is or that show. So I just don't remember that era. I do remember watching Romeo and Juliet, the 1996 film. But also, what I realized too is I didn't watch it when it came out because I was probably like, what, six when that movie came out? So I watched it way after the fact when I was old enough to watch Romeo and Juliet on my own. But yeah, I love Baz Lerman. He did Moulin Rouge. Moulin Rouge is probably one of, if not my favorite, movie musicals. I love the Baz Lerman films. If you've ever seen the 1996 remake of Romeo and Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes, he's the little boy who sings uh Everybody's Free during the wedding scene of Romeo and Juliet. And he also sings um When Dubs Cry during the movie. And his When Dove's Cry tradition uh was a really big deal because Prince don't play that shit with his covers. Yeah, for real. Um the boy he that the baby ate that. But if you don't know who Quinnen Tarra is, he was in Romeo and Juliet. He was also in um the Madonna, Madonna's Like a Prayer video, one of my favorite music videos ever. You know who's in Like a Prayer? Cynthia's husband, Leon. He's Jesus in the in the video. Or Cynthia, Cynthia's baby daddy, Leon, he's Jesus in the video. But he um Quindon is one of the kids in the choir in the Madonna like a prayer video. Quendon Tarber was born on August 4th, 1982, in Plano, Texas. He started singing in his grandfather's church at age four. Again, he was in the Madonna's Like a Prayer video at seven. And like Heila said, he is an incredibly talented singer. We'll talk more about that in a little bit. But he was signed to Virgin Records um at 12 years old. While he was recording his debut album, because he had already had a record deal, Baz Lerman was looking for a um a kid. He wanted a young Stevie Wonder type singer to sing in uh in the movie. And they said when they auditioned him, he said the problem with Quindon, it was like having a young Aretha Franklin because his voice is so powerful and so intense that it blew him away where he's like, No, this is this is a kid. And so what's screwed up about Quinn and Tarburn, and those of you who don't know who he is, are probably saying, Well, what does this have to do with B2K? What does this have to do with Chris Stokes? What does this have to do with my childhood if I don't know who this kid is? The problem is when Razby was doing all of his videos and his allegations and dropping all this tea, somehow, somehow he gets connected with Quindon Tarver. Razby finds out that Quindon Tarver used to be an artist under Chris Stokes' management. He had never shared it with anybody publicly, but Quindon Tarver also accused Chris Stokes of molesting him as a child. They get connected, Rasby and Quindon Tarver link up, and they're essentially sharing and comparing stories. They're talking about what happened to them at the hands of Chris Stokes. And it's really intense and really emotional. It's really emotional for both Raspby and Quindon because Quendon's never told really anyone this story outside of maybe his counselors and maybe some trusted family. And he's telling the story, and there's some details that Rasby is sharing that only Quindon would know without him them talking in advance. And there are some things that Quindon is sharing that only Rasby would know. Like it's like only you would only know this if you were at the scene of the crime. So Quinn immediately feels not only like there's a kinship, but he feels validation because somebody else went through this, and we're comparing what the bed looked like, we're comparing what the sheets looked like, like we were comparing what was on the bed. I mean, it just was things that only somebody who had also gone through what I went through would know. But the problem is the entire time that Quindon is finally sharing and being vulnerable and open and sharing this terrible chapter of his life with someone who he thought he could trust who can finally relate to the abuse that he went through, that he's been hiding as a secret shame all these years, Razby is recording the entire fucking conversation. And he's not only recording the conversation and getting Quinnen to open up and talk more, and Quinnen's so comfortable. Again, Quinnen has no idea he's recording. Razby releases the call to the public. And that's just one of the first things that makes me believe Quinnen's story even more because he has no skin in the game. He has no ulterior motive. He doesn't even he doesn't even call Rasby and talk about this and share this story with the intention of it even being public. He has no idea that he's recording, let alone he's gonna release it. I know that Rasby is also a victim, and so and I really understand how desperate he was for people to believe him, um, especially after, you know, him taking it back once earlier. You know, he just he really wanted some he really wanted to be validated. And I think at a certain point he was willing to out anyone who was telling the same story. Um he was willing to put their story out there, and that's why he started secretly recording conversations because this isn't, you know, the only conversation that he secretly recorded. I just think it's just very messed up because he could have had he could have had this information, had this conversation with Quendin, and at the same time let him know, like, hey, can I share this? And if he said no, you gotta deal with him, not you know, him saying I don't want it shared, but he would he took away his choice when he did that, and that's that's not cool. That's not cool at all. And I think at that point, I don't know if Rasby had done any retractions yet, but I do know that people openly were not believing Rasby. Yeah. I think at that point, people had already rolled him off as gay, people already wrote him off as a drug addict and manic and needing, you know, mentality. Because he hadn't retracted yet. You're right. Right. So, but but people definitely weren't believing him. And I think that when he heard Quentin's story and saw it, I mean, I it's one of those things where like if you went through it, you know if if when the other person is talking to you, if they're lying or not. You know, because it's like like like I said, how would you know what all these things, how do our stories line up? We haven't done any corroboration ahead of time. Like, how are these things lining up so much? Like, you I know I'm not crazy, and if everyone hears you, they'll know I'm not crazy. I think he was so and being like you said, validated that he didn't think about Quindon, and if how how and if Quindon even wanted to share his story, and then to put it on all platforms, how the Shane Benton is some world star. Yeah, it cheapens the story for Quinnen in a way that's just not fair. So the recording is leaked by Raspby about Quinnen's abuse and their conversation, you would think it would have been something that blew up the internet because people loved not only that movie, but one would argue because this was like young peak Leonardo DiCaprio. Like as much as people love Titanic, Romeo and Juliet, I feel like that was such like that. To me, that's my favorite Leo, I think. Him and him and because Titanic is like a good movie, but it's Shakespeare. Like seeing a kid, a gorgeous boy, do Shakespeare, especially the way Baz Lerman did Shakespeare. It was a great film. And I think anybody watching it will tell you as captivating as the black guy, Henry Panalt, I can't say his name all the time. The black guy who played Mercuccio, you got John Liguzamo, you got Clarity, all these legendary actors. Quendin Tarver steals the moment when he's on screen. And there's this young black boy from Plano, Texas. He's a kid against all of these major heavyweights in this incredible movie. His scene is not, it's not in the fucking, is it's not in Shakespeare's original telling of the story of Romeo and Juliet. This is Baz Lerman's artistic adaptation where he adds on pop music on top of these ancient texts. And so you've got this little boy who just comes out of nowhere and stills the movie in his moments when he's on scene. It it was a big deal. And so I think it's crazy that him coming out and saying it, knowing who he was in that movie in such a big movie, it wasn't a bigger deal or it wasn't a viral story. I think if it had it come out today, it would have set the world on fire. But because, and we'll talk about it in a little bit, his career never met its potential. I think that's kind of why, and there was such a messy, fucked up way for it to come out on World Star. I think that's why it never went anywhere. But Vibe Magazine, after that video came out, do we have to? Yeah, we have to. We have to. Vibe Magazine then did an interview with Quendon and Razby. And what I find interesting, and we talked about this earlier in part one, Chris Stokes is very good at getting his dirt scrubbed off the internet. And I don't know how or why, but that interview was in Vibe Magazine. Vibe Magazine ain't, you know, the New York Times, but it is a legitimate publication. So they had to have done some fact-checking before they release and publish this interview. It was published, it was a real interview. If you look for that interview today, you could not find it. The only way I was able to find it, so I I I went through so many dead-ins. I would click on something, the page would literally be erased. When I say erase, it would be like the page no longer exists. I finally found uh a link on Lipstick Alley where somebody went as far, you guys, as taking pictures of the article in the magazine, scanning it like old school circa 2002, and uploading it, the links are dead links now. The links are scrubbed. So finally, this is how dark and deep I had to go. Yeah, somebody went and typed Quindon's portion of the interview, and that's how I was able to even find out what happened. And just to warn you guys, in the interview, there's gonna be very vivid descriptions of sexual assault of a child, sodomy, and just all the things you can think of happening here. This is not me adding my own thoughts or conjecture, this is not me adding my opinion. These are Quinden's words. Quindin's words that were printed in the vibe article. This is not my opinion. This is not my think piece on it, this is not Aquila's think piece on it. If you if you have experienced trauma, assault, sexual assault, or if you feel like you can't stomach conversations around sexual assault, child molestation, like skip it. I'm just telling you now, skip it because it's very, very, very detailed. Tarver says that he was 13 when Stokes forced Houston to anally rape him. Tarver stated it was painful and caused him to bleed from his anus. Tarver further said, even though he protested, Houston and Stokes did not stop the illegal sodomy. Tarver's first meeting of Chris Stokes. When Chris Stokes met Gwynn and Tarver, Stokes asked him to belt something out on the spot. He was impressed by the boy's silky, anointed voice. He told my mom he wanted to fly us to Lillet, Tarver says. But there was another thing Stokes needed to mention. I'm getting ready to go to court on a molestation charge, Tarver says. Stokes told him and his mother, but it's not true, and I'm going to win it. Now hold on. Y'all remember when I told you in part one to remember Half Pint's name and him leaving immature abruptly and remember Raspbi's brothers band that went nowhere. Now Quindon was very, very, very early on. Quendon was what was that 90? In the early 90s, I would argue if he was not, he he was what, like around the same time or in the early stages of immature? Yeah, like 96. Like yeah. Yeah. Clearly, because Romeo and Juliet was 96, and he had already gotten signed and had a deal. So when I read that he was getting ready to go to court for another molestation charge, which is what Chris Stokes told Quinn, I'm like, well, who the fuck? Who? Who could it have been? Who would it have been against? It can't be Marcus Houston because he's still around. It can't be the other boys of immature. He had a lot of other acts. So who are the other acts, right? That are gone. So remember, Half Pint abruptly left the group. Allegedly, what's on note is he left because they worked too much, it was too busy, they wanted him home. I wondered what if the real reason why Half Pint left is Half Pint's family found out that maybe Chris was messing with Half Pint and they weren't having that shit. But then I also thought about Raspbies' brother, who his band predated Immature. He was a group before Immature was, and it was he was in a group, so it was Raspbies brother plus other kids. Remember, the group didn't go anywhere. It didn't say it because they weren't better singers or they weren't successful. It just went nowhere. Maybe Raspbies Brother said he made me shower the other boys, he did all those things to us. Maybe it was Raspbies Brother or one of the other boys. That was this because there's no other record or any other information about charge that not even sealed. There's nothing you don't, you know what I mean? There's no conversation about the only thing we know about this molestation charge that Quendon talks about is him telling him, hey, just so you know, Quendon and Mom, this is happening, but I'm gonna win. So crazy. So and this is what Tarver says about getting signed. It happened like overnight. Tarver recalls with awe in his voice, Stokes promised him he'd win a Grammy. But says Tarver, everything just started going downhill after my first album album. Tarver claims that lots of money was lost and jealousy started to unfold with he and Stokes. Looking back, he says he was manipulated, cheated, and sabotaged by Stokes. But according to Tarver, the damage to his career was just the beginning. I have had some things that haunted me for quite some time, he says, his voice in a whisper. He is a very dirty, rotten guy. And Tarver goes into detail. For a certain amount of years, I was molested. I wouldn't say exactly by Chris, but he would organize it. Tarver stopped speaking. It sounds like he's hyperventilating. He'd organize activities to be done as he sat and watched, watching or coaching, if you will. He would make another member of Immature like come and do things. Oh my God, four years. It was rough. Tarver says Stokes made him take showers with the other boys. Mind you, Rasp, Raspbi's brother, and now Quinn and Tarver are all saying the shower thing is a recurring activity. He says Stokes would ask him, Who do you think of at night when you masturbate? These are these are little boys. These are 10, 11-year-olds. Who do you think of when you masturbate? He says Stokes made him and Marcus Houston kiss each other. I can take a lie detector test, anything he says. This is just a little bit of the things that I went through. So the timeline is this. He is in Plano, Texas. He actually got discovered, again, in typical Chris Stokes fashion, by somebody else, by another guy, by another manager. Chris Stokes heard his voice, saw his talent, and convinced mom, even in admitting that he was getting in trouble or getting charged for molesting someone, still convinced mom to leave that management team and join his management team. He is signed to Virgin. He's making this album. This was like 94, 95, 96, to couple with this album that he's working on. 96, this hit movie comes out. So when you think about it, hit movie comes out, albums coming out. He should have been at the top of his game. He should have been the number one most famous black young RB pop star there was. For the moment that he even got to tour with Brandy and Monica for a minute. He was an opening act for Brandy and Monica. The Romeo and Juliet soundtrack was a number one, number two Billboard chart album. It went platinum. His rendition of When Doves Cry and Everyone's Free ends up hitting the charts and it does even better in Australia. He's on tour in Australia. All those things combined, he was on a trajectory to having a really great career. So the rumor is that Tarver confided in another one of Chris Stokes' acts, another kid, and says, you know, hey, this is what happened to me. Rumor has it that Quinton confided in another artist about the sexual abuse. She went back and told Stokes, who immediately began to ice Tarver out. In a 2017 interview with an Australian magazine, because remember, he had already released this music, and his two singles did the best in Australia. So fast forward, this Australian magazine really wanted to interview him because he was even more popular at the time in Australia than he was here, because he never really got a chance. Because by the time he got back stateside, Chris Stokes was already preparing to be done with him. So this is how Quindon explains the demise of his career to this Australian magazine in 2017. He says, I was going through some things at that time in my life. That's when some stuff that devastated me started taking place. It was a really big mess emotionally and mentally. I was trying to balance myself out. So when Romeo and Juliet was actually released, it was kind of hard to enjoy it. It should have been a big thing. It was a really big pinnacle for me to reach at that age. And I was not able to really enjoy it like I felt like I could or should have. When that took place, I shared it with one person that I thought I could trust and confide in. This person went back and said something to my management at that time, and immediately I noticed there was this distance. They wouldn't answer the phone when I came out to LA. The dizzying pies of fame came crashing down, and Tarver began to feel an immense sense of loss and pain. It was extremely weird for me to experience such high success, to be in all the magazines on a 90 city tour, traveling to Australia in first class and getting paid to do what I love. And it'd be snatched away. It was very weird. And not only that, it was very hurtful. Stokes then dropped the child star from his music production company, and Chris Stokes proceeded to lie to the major label with whom he had a subsidiary deal, telling them that Tarver could no longer sing and was messing up his lines. And just like that, his career went dead. A year after topping the charge, he was back at his old public school in Texas. I was very quiet. I was going through a lot, he remembers. A lot of people deemed me as stuck up, somewhat snobbish, but that wasn't the case. I was hurting. I had been molested. I had been raped. I had lost my career, which is what I dreamed of doing all my life. At the come back home because someone did something to me. I didn't know how to cope with that. I didn't know how to deal with that. I began drinking and dabbling in drugs and I lost it, man. I spiraled completely. Soon, Tara began to identify with so many child stars who had lost their way. He saw so much of himself in every tragic story of a life gone awry following childhood fame. I knew they were spiraling, he said. I know why this child star that's now an adult can't cope. Why they're using some kind of stimulant or some kind of substance to cope. Because you try to find a way through all of what you've been through. You don't want to tell anyone. So allegedly, the artist that he confided in was none other than Jenny Aiko's allegedly older sister, Mila J. So apparently he confides in her and tells her, hey, this is what Chris did to me. She goes back and says to Chris, hey, you know he's telling everybody that you molested him. Chris Stokes immediately cuts him off and sabotages his career. And as he mentioned in the interview, not only did he start telling people, you know, he no longer can sing, he was telling people allegedly, according to other posts, that they were in the studio doctoring up his vocals to make him sound better than he did. Even though we see this boy on tape singing a cappella, we know this boy can sing, that they had to doctor up his voice, that he no longer could sing the way he sang in Romeo and Juliet. And he also went on there the nervous, ugly ass, that nobody wanted to sign and work with and platform a little fat boy. That's that's so crazy that these record labels seeing this boy's talent and understanding what he was capable of because they act like he wasn't doing shows, singing live. Like that the technology is what it is today. It's not what it was today, it is today. Another thing that jumps out to me, um, one, allegedly Mila J, as much as I hate her guts, she was a child, and she was just as groomed, like he admittedly liked to do. Yeah, she was just as groomed, so she probably thought she was doing the right thing. Or she, you know, he convinced her that you know, you're talking about my father figure, and I need to let her go. You're you're yeah, you're aligned with my father figure. Yeah, like Omarion said at one point, and that's why I say it's hard for me to discount Razby's words because some things that just align. Look, look how quick he turned around and he's my protector, he's my father. I would never. Omarion said the same thing almost word for word, like a fucking script. Omarion turned around and did a 180 and has never come back and said anything different. Razby saying the same script. In my opinion, Mila J probably had that same script dealt in her head. He's our protector. Don't talk about him. That's why she threw that fucking kid under the bus. And then what Quendon Tarver talks about with turning to drugs and losing your shit and having mental breakdowns. It's what happened to Razby. I'm sure he was in some really rough spaces and places when he was shooting some of those videos that were released and make people look at him like he's just a crazy addict. But Quentin is saying, I can see these child stars after what they went through, and they go home and the lights are off, and you know, you're not, you don't have this career anymore. And all you have left is your thoughts about what these horrible, painful things this man did to you. And then Marcus Houston, who frankly I don't fucking like, but the truth is he was a child and he was a victim too. Yeah, he was groomed as well. And like I said, he was using the Trojan horse to not only make parents feel comfortable leaving their kids with him, but to make kids feel comfortable. Yeah. So knowing Quindon and like having had heard his music and seen him sing or whatever, when I finally because I've never watched that video until we talked about this. And me sitting there and listening to his conversation with Raz B. And you just hear like the hesitation, but then also it was almost like you can hear like a gut pull of like him being like, No, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say it. Like, I'm gonna say it out loud, I'm gonna say it on this phone with this person. And it made it I don't I don't want to use the word real because when Raz B said it, it was it wasn't like it didn't seem like it couldn't have happened, right? But just the the detail and it was just something about the way that he was speaking about it and and the detail that he gave was just like wow, like this like this young man has uh really gone through something horrific. And instead of him being able to deal to to say what he went through, to speak against his abuser, to have some kind of justice against his abuser, he got his dreams ripped from him. Yeah, it was like there was nothing he could do about it. Like, like he really got they he really put him in a place. Chris really paralyzed him for a moment of him being even able to want I was part of him honestly wanting that, because he he he eventually, you know, won it again, and we'll get back into that, but like not even wanting it anymore because when he did when he was in it, look what was attached to it. And think about it, you know, this is when he first disclosed to somebody, this is the 90s, there's no viral video, there's no I can go to the media on my own and tell my story, and even if I could, that wasn't even what he tried to do or wanted to do. He was confiding in somebody who he thought was a friend. There's no gain for him, there's only loss in him telling the truth. Yeah, and to me, like Chris folks turning around and ruining his career, it's almost to me like proof that you did something because why would you why would you do this to a kid who like first of all, what would the kid gain, this little boy gain by making something like that up? What would a kid gain by this kid from Plano, Texas, too, is living his dream, why would he just pull out of thin air that this happened to him? Why would he sabotage this relationship and his career? And then for you then in return to say F him and he's a fat little boy, like Keila said, if you don't want to give Raz B the credibility, I feel like once you hear Quinn and Tarber's story, you just can't, you really just can't look at Chris Stokes the same. And it's really it's really sickening to think that, and it's it's the same thing that with R. Kelly and and and Diddy, like the people around you just continuing to help you create a cycle of abuse and denial, abuse and denial, abuse and denial, cover up, ruin lives, abuse, denial. If you didn't know or believe that he did that to Quindin, you you know goddamn well that boy can still sing. You know goddamn well that boy can't like why are you lying? No one said. Because if it was me, you're lying. Right. If I didn't believe that I'd be like, but wait a minute, he can still sing. And he we didn't do any a bunch of shit to his voice, like that's why why are we going this hard to like when you were starting to sabotage a 10-year-old's career? I would be like, Oh, you must have done something weird because what the fuck are you doing right now? Uh like what in fact I'm gonna take him and we'll go to Columbia Records because you're weird. Like, that's it, like the enabling is crazy. The enabling and the willingness to sabotage and ruin children, regardless if you believe the facts or not, to me. For money and success. Purely for money and success. Crazy. It's a little disgusting. It's a lot of disgusting. Imagine how many people who were silently complicit and went along with what Chris Stokes did are still in entertainment now doing other things. Yep. Yep. Are still in this system working right now. Influencing people and influencing our the music that we hear and the people that we see. Yep. And you'll never know their names, they'll never admit it. They'll never say their names, they'll never admit it. Never. Never. So to continue on with the interview with the Australian magazine. Five years ago, it all came to a head. I attempted suicide, which landed me on life support for 17 hours in 2012, Tarver said. After getting off of life support, I was upset because I was like, why am I still here? I didn't understand. I didn't want to be here anymore. There was no reason for me to live. I felt everything I gained, I lost. I couldn't succeed in anything, and I was a failure. Prince had already served as a vital part of Quindin Tarver's life given the monumental success of Tarver's version of When Doves Cry. But Prince arguably gave Quindon Tarver a far more valuable gift in his passing than he ever did while he was alive. He made the artist believe that he could bounce back. I had pretty much given up, he says. When Prince passed away, I went to LA to be a part of a Prince tribute. When I got on, when I got on the stage and they announced my name, it was like a coming to Jesus moment. The applause and the cheers of the people, it was like, wow, this is what I want to do. These people remember me. Twenty years later, these people remember me. It was like, you can't do this because you're not in a place to receive it. You wouldn't be able to handle it. I knew I had to do something. On May 8th of last year, I put myself in rehab and I stayed there for a month. I made up my mind that I was not gonna come out of those doors that miserable person that walked in. While in rehab, Tarbor worked hard. He confronted the demons that had made his life so hard with a determination to overcome them. I took everything seriously, he says, everything that I had suppressed inside, every hurt, every pain, every feeling, every hate, every regret, every resentment, all of it. I let it go. I cried, I wrote on paper, every emotion came out of me in that rehab, and it worked. It was a relief, he says. I was free. Those burdens were all lifted. It was the most liberating, amazing feeling that I had ever felt in my life. I forgave the people that hurt me, the people that did cruel things to me. I forgave them and I let it go so that I could heal. That was the only way I could heal. I walked out of there a free man and I have not looked back. I'm back into my music, and I think my passion is stronger than never. For the first time, Tarver realized the power of his own music. While he knew it and had been had been a sense of strength for many others in the past, he finally used it to help himself. It's amazing to me. Everybody's free. At the age of 12, I sang that song. I listened to that song, and that 12-year-old Quendon was singing to a 33-year-old Quendon, and I cried. For once, I felt what all of my supporters were feeling when they heard that song. And I think that to me is like what is so wow. I mean, all of it's upsetting, but I think what makes it so upsetting that Quendon is a part of this story, this episode, this whole dynamic in this way is he had done so much work at like healing himself. He had done like the hard shit, right? Like he went to like he naturally brought himself back because he he after his career ended and he went through drugs and depression, he had already started turning his life around. He had given up on music, he worked in insurance, he had a catering company, like he was trying to let go of the past and move on already. When he got the opportunity to sing at the French tribute, it naturally just like revitalized and reinvigorated him to want to go back into music. And then he was honest enough to be like, listen, I know I want to sing again, but I'm not gonna do it like this. I'm not gonna do it when I know I'm still broken and I'm not healed. I'm gonna put my ass in rehab. I'm gonna do the work, I'm gonna get clean, I'm gonna get healthy, I'm gonna heal. Like he had done all these textbook things, right? How wise to do that on your own. And all the things that people say they want victims to do to be believable, to be right, to be good, to be healed. Like he did all those things. He went and did the work and got himself healthy. And like he said, he told himself, I'm not leaving this rehab until I forgive, I move on, and I it and I couldn't do it. I don't think I would have that strength, but he was like, I'm gonna put this in the past because I have a gift, I have a blessing, I'm gonna share it, and I'm not gonna let what this disgusting monster did to me. So he had no skin in the game to try to come and get viral and be messy and drop tea and try to bring up the judge up the past tea for interaction. Right. He was ready to move on with his life. And then Razby comes and he has this conversation. I'm sure Quindin in his mind was like, look, I've seen Raz crashing out on the internet. I know what work I've done to heal from this. Maybe me talking to him is A, gonna let him know that he's not crazy, he's not alone, he's not making this up. Someone believes you. But B, you can heal and come out on this other side of this. You can take these burdens of someone else's dirty deeds off of you and reclaim your life and live your like it just seemed like that's just where he was. And he probably had that conversation with Rasby in earnest to like try to help him at the end of this dark ass tunnel. Like he had auditioned for um two seasons of America, American Idol, made it to the Hollywood rounds. Like he was putting out music again, like he was back to, you know, doing music and finally getting to do it on his own terms as a as an adult. And like he said, he was able to listen to the lyrics in the song that made him famous, Everybody's Free, one of the songs that made him famous, and really not only be able to appreciate his music without the stench of this nasty man and what he did, but able to receive it in the way that people he inspired received it and his own head let his own song kill himself. Yeah. The kid that was broken that that you know sang that song that went through hell had enough power then, and the power was with him, you know, with was within him all along. And it was such a beautiful full circle moment. So I hate that, you know, and I again hurt people hurt people, but I hate that Rasby took that really personal conversation and used it for an exposure moment. I just I hate that that's how Quinnen's story got told when I feel like he didn't want that to always be his narrative. Yeah, I think for some victims, and we we touched on it when we were talking about earlier, that they get so they're like so caught up in what has happened to them and proving getting justice for them, that they just that it really blinds them and it becomes like he you we you can tell by the way that Razby was moving and just like the the the other um videos of him when he was saying like I don't feel safe and things like that. Like you can tell that he really he had on blinders and like this was all consuming for him, and that is the exact opposite of what Quendon wanted. He did not want this to be all consuming, he he wanted to deal with it, he forgave who he forgave, he did what he needed to do for his mental, his spiritual, and his physical health, and he was gonna move forward, and this was not gonna be a stain on him, you know, forever. And I and I think although it didn't like it didn't set him back or break him, like he still had the conviction like this is what I'm gonna do. I can only imagine like it wasn't the big the setback that it could have been, and that is because Quinton did the work that he did to heal and to deal with it because the the setback that it could have been, it could have been devastating. Oh yeah, that's that's some relapse worthy shit. And I'm not judging Rasby's journey for not being like Quentin's journey because Quinton admits that he went through dark times, he wanted to die, he was upset that he was still alive, he went through the valleys of addiction and all that. He he did it, but he was just in a different place. He just was in a different place than Rasby was. I think for Rasby, his once his career started, you know, Quindens was such so short-lived, and he spent more time being a civilian. He spent more time living a regular life where I think Rasby, I think, was still caught up in the Hollywood world and the Hollywood mindset. So he just was in a different place and had a different way of going about it. So there's not one that's better than the other, but like I said, I think my heart just breaks that. I don't, I truly don't think that Quendon wanted it to come out this way. And then ultimately, Quendon Tarver died in a car accident in April of 2021 in Dallas, Texas. Paramedics arrived on scene and found him pinned under the ceiling wheel of his car. Um, and he died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. So um I know when we first heard about him passing, I'm like, I wonder if he relapsed from the interview. I wonder if you know he was back in a dark headspace or a bad headspace. Um but you know, it was in the middle of the day. Apparently, he was coming from, you know, getting cookies and, you know, being out and about, and he was driving on the highway and he was in a um single car accident. Now, I almost hesitate to like go down the conspiracy theory route, but of course, you know, in this day and age, there's always, there always is. Um a few weeks ago, actually, so the accident was in 2021, and it just so happens a few weeks ago the um police cam and traffic cam footage was released of the accident. So the body cam footage from police officers show um, you know, Quindon being pulled out of the vehicle. Unfortunately, he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. So when he crashed on the highway, he like hit a you know, hit like the wall. Um him not wearing the seatbelt, I think, is ultimately what killed him. He should have she would have worn a seatbelt because he'd probably still be here today. But with the release of that body cam footage also came traffic highway cam footage, and there are some people that are alleging that they see in the video um him being chased by a mysterious back pickup truck. I watched the videos from multiple angles, I could see both sides, I could see. Because there is very clearly a black pickup truck that gets on the highway at the same time as him. Quindon and that truck are the only ones traveling at the rate of speed that they were traveling in. Quindon is traveling considerably higher. It does. If you're looking for that, it does look suspicious. If you're not, then you could easily say he was just speeding and the truck just happened to be driving by also speed. It's hard. Of course, there's people who are saying that he was getting harassed and threatened by Chris Stokes because apparently, after all this with the tape, the call being leaked, the interview with vibe, him being on American Idol, there's a ton of videos of him, you know, doing open mics and getting out and performing. Supposedly, he was not only going to release an album, but he was going to start doing more press about what happened to him, maybe even releasing a book. I actually found a blind item that said that, um, and I've never found a blind item before, especially when the one's like red, but um, that there was a blind item that Leonardo DiCaprio was gonna donate money to help him secure legal counsel to either sue Chris Stokes or to be able to legally tell his story without Chris Stokes, you know, who he's ceased and as his happy, retain counsel that would allow him to tell his story without any legal backlash from Chris Stokes. That's very alleged. That's a blind item that says that that's what uh Leonardo DiCaprio was gonna do because when he found out about um what happened to this boy in the movie that he was in and his story, and him being, you know, probably allegedly a victim of men taking advantage of him himself, that's the that's the alleged story. But uh ultimately Quinn and Tarver never got a chance to really realize and actualize his dreams and share them with the world beyond the little bit of news that he did release because he again he died in 2021. That's crazy. Do you think that Leonardo DiCaprio would ever, if someone asked him, you think he would say you think you don't think he would ever say anything? I don't think he would even talk about what went through what he went through. I think the blinds around Leonardo DiCaprio that he is such a tortured, sad soul. Like when he gets in rooms with girls, he allegedly just like sits there and cries. Like, I I think he's too beautiful to not have had some people take advantage of him. And I think he also had very loosey-goosey parents. So yeah, I just think that boy right there has really probably gone through it and seen some really nasty, dark. I think that's why he's not married with kids. I think he's just seen too much dark, nasty shit when it comes to humanity, and he's just doing the best he can to just be a normal and functional and not total waste. Allegedly. That's my thoughts about Leonardo DiCaprio. The stories behind the the episode about him and his backstory on Beyond the Blinds is is another one that's really, really sad and really dark. It's really sad. It's on there. Oh god. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They talk about Leo a lot. And like I said, him just being so young and so talented and so handsome, just too many people saw somebody they could like dig their hooks into and take advantage of. And he was a baby. He was another one who was ridiculously young, ridiculously young when he broke into Hollywood. And it sounds creepy the way I'm saying it, I know, but you have to understand. In in the world of child stars, he was considered one of the most beautiful child stars there was, period. And Hollywood loves to sexualize a child. Come on, come on. And he was, he's a gorgeous, very talented, just he was a he was a once in a lifetime type of beauty and talent. And when you're just that, when you're that adorned with gifts, there's always some sick, evil people trying to lob onto you and steal parts of you. And Leo definitely was one of those boys, allegedly. Well, we talked about, you know, Quendon and you know where his life ended. I low key, I don't even want to know where Chris is because he's living. It's actually creepy because we all know that. It's very creepy. Yeah, 2026, B2K does this this year. It the tour, the last date was in April. B2K is on tour with Bow Wow, like nothing ever happened. Allegedly, you know, this go around, everybody's got their own management. Chris Stokes is not a part of it, but they had this great successful roll-win tour. Everything was all great. Again, like none of this drama ever occurred. Another reason why people probably don't know the story because if you just went to the Boys for Life tour, everything was, you know, okay funny businesses, like just fun, silly millennium businesses as usual. I could not go to that show the whole time and just my mind not go immediately to all this shit that I found out. Imagine singing bum and memes, like, mm-hmm okay. Like that's crazy to me that the tour just happened, like none of this even existed. It's in an alternate universe, none of this happened. And B2K had a great reunion and everything's just magical. I feel like we are going to, I don't care if it's a year from now, two, three years from now, we're gonna hear from Rasby again. I wonder. I wonder. Because unless he was like, okay, I'm going to get behind the scenes, he's going to get help, he's gonna get healed. I just don't, and and maybe it'll be in a more formal setting, like he'll actually sit down with someone and do an interview. But I feel like he's he's a father now, and I don't think that just magically heals all people, but I wonder if that changes things for him because now that he's a parent. It probably will change things, but let me tell you something, one thing about being a parent and have being traumatized. There's gonna be something that you go through as a family, a child, and it doesn't even have to be equally. There's gonna be a person who comes in, somebody's gonna trigger the shit out of him about his children. And it's if he hasn't dealt with it, it's then where it's it's gonna have to be. Oh, yeah. I don't care what it is. When you're a parent, yeah, whatever you need to work on, whatever you're struggling with, whatever your shortcomings are, parenting will pull that shit right up. Right up the dirt. Right. Roots on up, just upside down. So that's where Rasmusby is. Marcus Houston, his folks are now Jehovah's Witnesses. So it gets creepier with Marcus Houston. Marcus Houston is is now married. So what's weird, he married this girl that he met in 2018 at a Jehovah's Witness conference. Allegedly, he started dating or courting or hanging out with her when she was about 14, 15 years old. But he publicly admits that he started hanging out with her around 2018 when she was 17 years old. So I think it's crazy that he's willing to openly say at 39 started courting a 17-year-old. Like that's what he's comfortable being honest about. So okay. This is America. Um But what's crazy is the 17-year-old girl that he met at the Jehovah's Witness conference, she actually was a runaway. So, and I know people are like, What? Yeah, no, yeah, this is all true. This part is not alleged. Her mother lost custody of her. Her other family, or whoever it was, took the legal guardianship of this young woman. Her name is Miana Juanita Dickey. So she ends up relocating somewhere else out of Los Angeles, California with her new guardians because her mom lost custody. She decides to run away from those guardians back to her mom and her grandma. She was adopted in 2012, and she was listed shortly after that as a missing person because she ran away from the people that adopted her to go back to her mom. When she goes back to her mom, is when she goes to this Jehovah's Witness uh convention and starts dating and then eventually quote unquote marrying a 39-year-old. Apparently, they may not be legally married because she doesn't have any legal identification. She didn't have it at the time when she was 7-18 because her guardians who she ran away from have her fucking documents. So he fake married a teenager. They have two kids together. And of course, there's a ton of controversy about this man marrying a child who's 20 years younger than him. But um, Keila found some tea. I thought they were together happily with their two kids, but Keila found some tea about their marriage, Marcus Houston and the Miana girl. Yeah, yeah. So I found I found the post. Is somebody reposted on TikTok because I went through her page and it's been scrubbed. Of course, it's not there. So I'm gonna repeat the things that she says in here. So she's doing the whole put your fingers down like trend, like put your fingers down if you're such and such, such and such. She says, put a finger down if you married a childhood uh celebrity slash entertainer and you lived a very comfortable life, you end up having a bunch of babies, then you randomly think financially one year because he didn't get paid off of one job, you end up you losing the house, the car storage, everything. And so you got to pack up your family, you move to your home state, you launch a business to work 12 to 15 hour days, six months pregnant, you have to go back to work four days after having a baby because you have to work, he has to take he has to because you have to take care of them financially. Then she goes on to say after she leaves him, she's basically just working to pay her bills, she's financially destitute. She says, so you decide to pack up your kids in your car to go back to him and hope and pray that God provides a house and financial stability. But the one part in between, it was going kind of fast. I was trying to read it. But the one part in between that sticks out, which is just for her, is that the reason why they lost their house was because he was giving money to other women and cheating and lying about where the funds were going, and he was actually wasting that money on women. And so they wind up losing their house, and she has to leave and go back home to her parents or wherever she was from to try to take care of her kids because he abandoned them. Oh my God. So then she goes back to him, basically, because she can't afford to take care of herself and her family, so she has to go back to them and just praise in hopes that it's different this time and that you will gain some financial stability back in Los Angeles. See, this is why it's hard for me not to believe the allegations and the rumors because how many times do victims end up becoming predators? And all the things that they've said about Marcus Houston and what he did to these boys, for him to then fast forward in his life, become someone who's clearly dating a child and then becomes a cheater with that child. And I mean, it just like this this is somebody who, again, granted, he was a little boy, he started off as a victim, but the life choices made afterwards are very reflective of somebody who, again, hurt people, hurt people, victims become predators who just isn't breaking the cycle and is carrying it on and thinks that this kind of behavior and intimate relationship is normal and only knows how to move through manipulation and harm to somebody who's innocent. Like, that's what he was taught. That is what was indoctrinated in him. And it's crazy because I mean, him and Chris Stokes are still very close. Like I said, they're Jehovah's Witnesses together, and he's in their business partners. They're business partners. He works for his production company, he's in his movies still, like it's just so creepy. And then Chris Stokes, Chris Stokes is considered a very prolific black independent film writer and director. He has over 57 movie titles. I mean, he's highly respected in the independent film circuit. The same thing that he brought to BET, he's like the fucking king of Tubi. If there's a black movie, independent film on Tubi, there's a good chance that Chris Stokes made it. He just had a huge uh deal with another streaming company that is an up-and-coming company that he's all bragging about, you know, I'm gonna build them up the way I built Tubi up. And he built Tubi up from nothing by having all these in the stream. In fact, his new movie that's coming out is starring Erica Minna, Tay Diggs, and Loretta Divine. We talked about this on our live, but Kay Diggs and Loretta Divine are. Did anybody tell Loretta Lyon? These are real actors that people look up to and respect, and they are working with this family. I'm like, I wonder if Tay Diggs and Loretta Divine know, or I can't imagine they wouldn't care. Is it because it's alleged? Like, but he's definitely very much still active, working successful in the mix. He may not be, you know, at the fucking Oscars or a major red carpet, but to me, he deserves a fate worse than what Quindon got. He does he's he's an alleged molester. And when you it's just too much information and too much shit stories that this guy gets to walk around and just live that like let's be for real, even Rasby, yeah, he's on a tour, but like, how much better is his life? Where's Razby's fucking brother? How good is his life? Like, yeah, but Chris Stokes gets to still still live the life that he wants and that he's dreamed of because he gets to be this, you know, big director producer. I think it's fucking sick. And then fast forward to remember, Omarion is saying his play aunt and um Chris Stokes are now separated. We're getting a divorce, but I think they're just separated right now. Oh yeah. Just as recently as 2024, his wife, like Marcus Houston's wife, released a statement on Instagram. She says, this is in 2024, Chris Stokes' wife. I married him in 2004, just days before I gave birth to my fourth child. He has faced accusations of sexual acts that I know to be true, but parties are unwilling to come forward and confirm them. So sexual acts that she knows to be true, but parties are unwilling to come forward and confirm them. I can, this is his wife speaking. I can confirm that he committed these acts. And it begins with acknowledging what I didn't want to accept. I married a perpetrator of such crimes. Now it's time for me to liberate my spirit and open up about it. For the past two and a half years, I've dedicated time to self-improvement, working on my mental, physical, and emotional well-being, often in solitude. At this point, my heart's desire is for every victim, including myself, to heal and live long, healthy, productive lives. I seek justice. Hashtag Chris Stokes, hashtag Marcus Houston, hashtag accusations, hashtag truth, hashtag reality. I think he gets the benefit of people discounting young black men, young men, period, when they talk about sexual assault. The the gift of people discounting women, because just like they wrote Rasby off as being gay, troubled, and crazy, they got to write Quindon Tarver off because he never even got into a real place where he could really publicly tell his story. I'm sure they're gonna write off his ex-wife as either a a bitter ex-wife or say, well, if it's true, why are you just saying something now? He is the luckiest bastard on the planet. He gets to surround himself with these people that he has abused and broken and left unhealed and left as people that society doesn't trust. He gets to do whatever he wants to them, and when they finally speak up, he either gets them silenced, gets their stories erased, gets them discredited, or leaves them in a position where nobody wants to hear or cares. You know what I mean? Lucky for him. I think we might have to do, and it would it'll be an another like investigative episode on like maybe doing some deep dives on the people that are close to some of these people and just like who they are because it makes um I think about so um my husband has this uncle, and it's a great uncle in the family, and he is on the sex offender registry list current currently. His last his last check-up or check-in was in November of 2025, and he is on there for child molestation. Now, he has never no one has ever like asked him about the charges, really had a conversation with him before he is allowed to be around children, to be around um even like I would say teenagers, young adults. No one and everyone just continues to act as if it either it didn't happen or they're just assuming that he is this new and changed person. But I'm like, at the end of the day, he's on the sex registry list for child molestation. He has a, and the thing about it is he not only has this on his record because he did it, he has a history of inappropriately touching some of his other family members or saying really weird and crude things, which in his way, and honestly, the things that he used to say to people, I feel like it's it's grooming. He's trying to see how far he can go with you, right? Or you know, before he buy he he violates you 100%. And the he is still like he family cookouts, going to the family reunion this year. He's just welcome. Just welcomed. He is especially he is full on welcome. This I don't think I don't know if we it probably was like talked about like in part of our conversation, but when um we were living in Pooler and we had there it, you know, hurricane season down south gets real hectic. And there was um one season where we we had to evacuate once. Um you could evacuate, but we decided not to because the storm wound up passing us anyways, and but his um couple of his relatives went and stayed with this man for you know during evacuation. No, not with kids, but invited us at the time. I have two boys, I have two young boys. Why would you be like, y'all should come and stay with us when we go to so like what in what have you convinced yourself? Let's be right. What have you told yourself? What have you told yourself that it would make it okay, that you would be so okay with telling two people with young children, with young boys. Right now it's a good idea. Yeah. What? I don't get it. I don't get I don't get it. I don't I think what people have to understand if they don't get it already, if they didn't learn from Diddy, these men, and it's not just men, I know there's women who are predators also, like Noah Beck's. Well, she's she was a shitty pedophile. She was like obsessed with the boy, like she was the fucking child. But these people who do this shit, especially with children, they are master as good as they are at their jobs, as Diddy is at being a producer and a businessman, at Chris Stokes is at doing his shit, they're even better at mind fucking you. And I think all that father figure bullshit, all that I'm gonna groom you in so I can make sure your dreams come true. Shit, I think all of that was his NMO. He probably fine-tuned and perfected how to do this with kids way before he even went into the music business. And a lot of times I feel like they go into that business, just like some people go into coaching and teaching, because it's like that's where the best hunting is. I don't think it was a mistake that he played this father figure role. I don't think it was a mistake that he made people indebted to him and that they were so loyal and he took care of them and he paid people's bills and he took your mom out of rehab and he made your mom feel safe. This is just what they do, and it's really sad. In my mind, as a mom, I want to be like anybody. That would leave their kid up in this position is a fucking idiot and clueless. But I think you want to believe that people are good. If you're not a pedophile or molester, you're not even thinking that that is what someone's doing. Because it's not in your mind. So you're not thinking that I live in a mindset and the world teaches how I was raised. Everybody is a liar. Everybody's on drugs. And everybody's a pervert. Everybody's a sexual DB. I'm just being honest. That's how my mom, my mom didn't let me sleep over nobody's house. My mom didn't let me go to no overnight camps. My mom didn't. Because it's just you're putting yourself in. It ain't got to be an overnight camp. Like any of those things, it just you're why even put myself in the position to possibly have to deal with that shit. Because you'll be, you could be in school and it happened. You know what I mean? You can go anywhere because predators, when they hunt, they're hunting, it doesn't matter. But eliminate all possible threats and don't do it. But the way that these people, like the guy that you're talking about, like Crystal, like Marcus Houston, I mean, their entire lives almost are built around telling, maintaining, and keeping a lie. Keeping a lie. And the only way the lie works, if the the people closest around them participate and placate and support the lie. And if he kept her quiet by keeping her comfortable, by, you know, being wealthy and making sure she didn't have a want for anything and she was able to, you know, go along with the bullshit. I just that I don't understand. Like she said, as a married woman, if you knew that you had kids with this man, I believe she even had kids before him. Like, how you could even want to lie the moment that you found out, like, oh, this is who that is, like how long before when you what is the year gap of the time that you recognize that this is who he was to the time that you left him and shared? Because I don't what she married him in 2004. She claimed in 2024 that for the past two and a half years she was working on self-improvement. I always believe you knew. Like there were signs that you chose to find. There were things that you chose to rationalize, but it's just like women who who stay in abusive relationships. It's like you keep telling yourself whatever you need to tell yourself, I guess, to stay. Well, she said she was a victim also, so I guess you may have we don't know what kind of abuse like she suffered. Right. But I mean I don't I don't like to judge and call people stupid, and how can you manage? I just can't relate because there's just no way in this world I could ever imagine staying with someone who puts their hands on me, staying with somebody who talks to me crazy, staying with somebody who is sexually inappropriate with kids or other people or is accused of it, or I mean the accusations for him had been around since the fucking 90s. Like I was saying to some mom the other day, I said, even if going on three decades now, even if somebody made a passing comment, like, oh girl, yeah, I heard he used to sleep with little or I heard even if it's just not a passing comment at a fucking bar. I it's too many, it's plenty of niggas out here who are weird and creepy who still don't get pedophile accusations. Like, so for you to get that to me, even if it's a misunderstanding, I just don't want any parts of there's other people out here for me to deal with. I don't even want any parts, and I hate to judge, but again, for me, it's it's hard for me not to be like, girl, what the fuck do you mean? Like, what do you mean you were with this man for this long and you didn't see the signs, but now you see the signs, but you were a victim and you wanna like girl, no, no. There's where there's smoke, there's fire, and this motherfucker is cloudier than a bitch. But then like I said, like I say before, again, a lot of situations, like I I just there is, I have been taught not to fear a human in such a way that I would compromise my safety. I would compromise my health, my mental, my fit. Like, you just you can't be that afraid of another human being that when you know that they are doing evil, not just oh, they did something wrong, they made a mistake. Like, they are out here being evil, doing disgusting, I don't even think unimaginable things to children. Yeah, I don't even think some from I mean, again, I don't get it, I don't agree, but from what you hear in like documentaries and stories, the rationalization behind it, I don't even think it's just fearing that person, the way people fear being alone, the way people fear the humiliation of admitting what's going on, the of having to start it over and go to work and do about that. Like the mental gymnastics somebody will do to themselves to make what's happening okay. It's again, if you're not built that way, not saying I'm better. It's just you can't understand that mindset. But when I hear people talk about what makes them stay in these fucked up situations, I can hear in their tone that it makes sense to them. That that nothing else even occurs. I hear people defending their positions. And it's just like, goddamn, there's no pedophilia is an extreme case, but women do it all the time when they're in shitty marriages or shitty relationships, when they're in abusive relationships, like there it's not until they're out of it where I'm just like, did you not hear what I was telling you to like it's no different, it's no different than these, but there's too much around this man for people to just be like, oh, everyone's lying. Oh, it's really too many other there's too many other directors, producers, and artists who these things aren't said about. And some of them it's because it just hasn't come out yet. But like it's possible to go through Hollywood and these accusations not happen to you because you just didn't do it. Look, because everybody's like, oh, after Diddy, they're like, oh Jay-Z, look out, Jay-Z, you're next- No, Chris Stokes needs to be next. Next up, honey, we need to go some deep. I really feel like like she said, you know, that there's other parties that won't come forward. I feel like ma'am, respectfully, fuck you. You need to do the work. You need to say all the like you were his wife for 20 years. You need no, I guarantee you, she has some evidence or some indisputable facts. You got your ass on Instagram and you wrote that shit. You should have had some you you have now because of your complicit behavior for all these years, whether you were a victim or not, it's your like, in my opinion, at this point, your fucking fiduciary duty. And I'm not making it your burden because you were not the predator here, your husband was. But to me, you were an apologist for it. And if you really want to absolve yourself of your guilt, you need to come in and be like, these kids aren't able to speak. One of them's dead, the other ones are struggling. I'm gonna do the hard part and I'm gonna give the receipts. So there's no shadow of a doubt, and this man can be held accountable, period in the story. And respectfully, it is part of her burden because if she knew that it was going on and she didn't say anything, she didn't speak. These are children that you didn't speak up to. These are not adults who decided, hey, I don't want to talk about this, so please keep me out of it. They're adults now. Yeah, they were exactly when it was happening to them. It was children. So it was your duty as an adult, as a parent, to have spoken up and then say, hey, this is what's going on. I mean, I I don't I mean, short of him threatening to kill you or your kids, maybe I don't know, maybe I don't I just feel like I mean in your two and a half years of your quote unquote dedicated time to self-improvement, working on mental, physical, and emotional well-being, the the same way Quentin, when he went through his rehab and him cleaning up, he did that interview and he was like, I have no problem now. I'm it's already out there. I've done my healing, I'm gonna tell my story. And I'm gonna be helping put him. As vulgar and dark as he had to be in those two interviews, she needs to do the same thing. She needs to do, yeah, she needs to. If she, if what that Instagram statement was was real and not just a quote unquote angry ex-wife, she needs to be working on putting him in jail. And the fact that it's 2026 and it's like radio silence, and all that's happened is B2K got a tour and he's got two more and he's gotten two more deals for releasing more movies. That's all that, and Marcus Houston married a child. If that is the result of all of this in 2026, and they're Jehovah's Witness on top of that, so they can come knock on your door at any point in LA and give you a booklet. Don't know. Jehovah's Witness said, Oh, you're gonna put your face out here and do this. You're gonna put you gonna give out these pants at a convention, God forbid. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I just I saw a TikTok where this woman was like, you guys, I promise, Marcus Houston just came to my door and gave me this. He gave and gave me this. When I tell you, Keila, if he knocked on my door, we're gonna talk. You can come in alright. You pull out your book, I'm pulling out my notes. I'm pulling out my two things can be true episode notes, and we're gonna we're gonna talk. I've locked the doors. You're not leaving until we get it out of you. This is just crazy to me. Way to ruin the childhood of Ashley. So did anybody go to the Boys for Life tour? How was it? And would you go again? Now that you now that you know, would you go to the next? Would you go to the next one? Are you still gonna watch those two we films? I I feel dirty and exhausted. My yeah, definitely a childhood ruiner. Yeah, you destroyed it. God help us all. And think about it, like this is what we think we allegedly know. Imagine what actually went on. We're done. It only gets darker. Let's set it here. 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